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Volkswagen Ordered To Recall 500K Vehicles Over Its Own Malicious Programming
Etherwalk writes: The Obama Administration today ordered Volkswagen to recall 500,000 4-cylinder Volkswagen and Audi vehicles from model years 2009-15. The vehicles were programmed to turn on more thorough emissions control and generate cleaner readings when tested for emissions than they did when in ordinary operation. In effect, the software made everything operate normally when you looked at it, just like any good malware.
Translated: If you have one, don't take it in, unless you want it to run even worse.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Might want to be more specific in the synopsis.
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
So VW incorporated stuff you see advertised in the back of hot-rod mags into the car. Now they'll have to go after those after-market guys, assuming the chips actually do what they say. It's not like anybody even tells state inspectors they swapped out the chips. I'm not sure how much this goes on. I've got a relatively new car and have only had it smogged once since I bought it. No, I don't plan on ever messing with it. I just know that such things exist.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
They didn't fine them? I understand it will be expensive for them to reprogram all the cars again, but you'd think they'd levy a fine on top of everything for knowingly defying the law.
And this is exactly why you test emissions at the tailpipe and not from the OBD port.
Sometimes the old ways are better than the new ways.
... but how does the software in the car know that the vehicle's emissions are being tested in the first place?
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
It's the diesel's they have this issue with. Me, I like the Volkswagen Golf TSi. BTW, far as I can see the only difference between a TSi and GTi is the transmission in the latter is a manual. Which is interesting because I find a bunch of used Golf GTIs on craigslist for really short money.
Pull away and they shift into either providing better performance or better fuel economy. I like that.
"better performance" means "your engine wears out a lot quicker"
if you actually wanted a sports car, you should have actually bought one
How is this different from certain phones allowing the CPU to run on full power only when a benchmark is detected to be running? Are they going to be recalled as well?
Note that the violation is subject to a fine. The administration has no authority to order a recall.
My damn VW turbo diesel got 10MPG less after it got around 300 miles on it and I brought it back multiple times to be checked and they said everything was fine. I was swearing up and down that they have a program that reports better fuel mileage while it is still likely to be on a lot and be being test driven.
Digital is, by definition, imperfect. Analog is the way to go.
If they had been honest about what they were doing, it wouldn't be such a big deal. But they defrauded consumers, emissions technicians, and the government. Remember, markets work best when market failures such as information asymmetry are eliminated.
Any sufficiently unpopular but cohesive argument is indistinguishable from trolling.
Normally posts about Nazis here are just hyperbole, but in this case it is actually correct. The Nazi party created Volkswagen in 1937. Hitler himself ordered the creation of a "people's car." VW still lives-up to those national socialist ideals. Many VW cars were made by literal concentration camp prisoners at Volkswagen's plant at the Arbeitsdorf concentration camp. At one time, 80% of their workforce was slaves. They truly embody socialist ideals.
What I don't like are government nannies dictating standards that are out of place everywhere but a few big cities. And I dislike bureaucrats who regard breaking their rules as 'malicious.'
Don't want government regulations in your nick of the woods? Too bad. Those big cities used to be small towns at one point. Today's small towns will become big cities as the U.S. population grows to 438 million and rising sea levels renders populated land uninhabitable on the coasts by mid-century.
What? Have you ever turned a wrench?
Sure if you double the power it will wear out faster. But nobody is talking about better turbos and cams. These are water cooled VWs we're talking about. Not worth suping up.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Yeah, this will do nothing. You know what would have worked? Force VW to take the cars back, refund the purchase price completely, and then effing prosecute the people responsible for the decisions at VW, take all their money and give it to environmental organizations (real ones), and then put them in jail. Until there are real consequences for actions, big companies will continue to to lie, cheat and steal in every possible way. I sure as hell hate all the lying and stealing that big companies get away with. Make the PEOPLE behind these decisions start paying with every cent they've ever made and with every moment of the rest of their stinking, lying, worthless lives. When these bastards, as individuals, *fear* to make these kinds of decisions, things will finally start to change. Until then, this is all pointless crap.
Because the whole purpose of the SUV and pickup truck is to evade emissions controls (because they don't apply to 'light commercial vehicles) all SUVs and pickups (not actually used for genuine commercial purposes) are being recalled as well.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
True Hitler was bad, but many of the socialist ideas his National Socualist Party espoused were great. VW was created by Hitler and used slave labor, but that isn't who they are. In this case, it must have been a mistake. Socialists always look out for the environment unlike capitalists.
if the engine computer is working normally during the emissions test and in "High power" mode otherwise, then every internal engine part is being stressed beyond its design and you will see premature timing chain failures and premature main bearing failures.
I bought a 2015 Jetta TDI (right when gas prices spiked). I was loving the ridiculous mileage I was getting. I figured I was saving about $150-$200 per month in fuel costs over my old Camry.
Now I'm probably going to lose a shitload of that mileage.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Wrong. The Nazis were the good guy. Hitler was the bad guy. The party was the national socialist party that looked out after workers, and they founded VW to build a car for the common man. They did much good. It was Hilter that wasn't a true socialist like he claimed then he did bad things. No, VW is a good guy. This must be like Hitler in that VW is a good company, but one bad leader is forcing them to do what one of those capitalists would do.
https://www.dieselnet.com/stan...
Basically, the big-rig engine manufacturer's did the same thing - the engine software detected when it was running on the freeway and switched to a more fuel-efficient but also more polluting mode.
Saying "The Obama Administration [sic]" makes it sound like some sort of political meddling was behind this action. While the EPA is part of the executive bureaucracy, this does not stink of Obama political officials pushing an agenda, but just normal regulatory oversight and it therefore should be attributed to the agency.
no, you are
if the engine computer is working normally during the emissions test and in "High power" mode otherwise, then every internal engine part is being stressed beyond its design and you will see premature timing chain failures and premature main bearing failures.
You don't understand. The emission testing mode is retarding the engine. The non emission testing is the normal mode.
it's just another case of American protectionism and letting the hammer drop on foreign-owned business and corporations competing in a global competing market.
You don't understand. The emission testing mode is retarding the engine. The non emission testing is the normal mode.
The car was certified under the "emission testing mode" and so that is by definition the "normal" mode. The car was not certified or anything else in the bogus mode that people are currently driving it around in.
The car was certified under the "emission testing mode" and so that is by definition the "normal" mode.
WRONG
how is this wrong? This is the mode that VW was telling us that the car was running in. It is a crime for them to sell cars that do not operate in this mode. They have "tweaked" the cars on the road, they are not certified, they don't pass, they are in a bogus mode, not a "normal" one.
Yes, EPA found that VW deliberately set up the emission controls so they only worked when under test. That has been done by several truck engine makers over the years too, and all had to pay fines and fix the systems when they were found out. But EPA has not (yet) ordered recalls or fines - they're giving VW a chance to do the recall themselves. EPA has the right to order both, though, and considering how bad this one is I hope that at least a substantial fine (perhaps reduced if VW does a suitable recall) is assessed. I do breath the air these things are fouling. And if others have gotten diesels to work well and meet emission standards VW should be able to also.
If a human did this, they'd be arrested and jailed for fraud. But when a corporation does it, it's just business as usual.
"At one time, 80% of their workforce was slaves. They truly embody socialist ideals."
That is not socialism you fucking American dickhead.
Capitalist idealism in southern US states epitomized the mistreatment of humans as slaves to fuel the profits of the landowners.
You gotta learn some shit braw!!!
If I remember correctly, the change oil light in some cars don't actually sense the condition of the oil but actually run on a timer.
Are typically more environmentLly conscious than this. I am disappointed in the Nazis.
The proper term is "special needsing the engine."
I had an older model VW TDi. At the time, the only diesels you could get in the US were VWs and Mercedes. I asked a mechanic at the dealership why, and he told me a lot of diesels won't meet US standards for cleanliness, so they stay in Europe and Asia. I wonder if VW gamed them to keep importing diesel vehicles - we diesel heads are a small, but cultish bunch of people. 45 mpg was pretty much my avg no running the AC, around 40 with the AC on. Just in case you were wondering. And since people are misinformed, the increase in milage is more than offset by the price of the fuel. When I first got mine, diesel was cheaper than regular gas and it was a huge money saver, but once low-sulphur was mandated, diesel became more expensive than premium gas and it was a money loser.
No fine? WTF?
You just named all of the engine components you know, didn't you?
Please explain why you think the timing chain of all things will fail prematurely due to increased power output. While you're at it, please explain what "premature" means to you. If the engine normally operates in "slightly higher power" mode, then the design specifications would be targeted at that operating mode, not at the low-power emissions test mode that it'll see for five minutes once a year. So, maybe you're talking about relative to operating in low-power mode. If we make the assumption that lower power will make an engine last longer, then even lower power shoudl make an engine last even longer, right? And this generalization must apply to all engines? So, then, every engine in the world which makes more power than the absolute minimum will therefore exhibit "premature" failure using your criteria.
No engine can run "forever," as eventually rings wear out cylinder bores and bearings wear through. So, what is a "reasonable" lifespan for an engine? There must be some power level and operating mode (and maintenance schedule) which can meet this reasonable life expectancy, and probably point at which decreasing power output doesn't have a significant impact on lifespan. So, on what basis do you claim that the "more power" mode doesn't meet the reasonable life expectancy, while "low power" mode does? None? I thought not.
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Bought a 1959 Chevrolet Apache 31 pickup truck in 1978. Motor blew up within fifty miles and I replaced it with a freshly rebuilt 235 L-six motor. Brand new.
Guy at the California Emissions Control Testing Center (actually, a major auto-repair shop which shall remain nameless here) say's "There's no smog control cannister on this truck. Can't pass it." I had to argue with him and make him look up the concept of a grandfathered vehicle, same thing that got me out of no seatbelt tickets later - but I digress. Mechanic dude, clearly unhappy that he can't sell me over a thousand dollars of unnecessary work to retrofit a PCR and catalytic converter on my Chevy, finally insists on probing the exhaust pipe.
His probe didn't even wiggle. Read around zero. Guy now insists that the probe is broken and he can't smog certify my truck. Another hour of arguing gets me the shop manager who's going to prove they can't smog my truck by probing his. Lo and behold! the needle obediently shows his truck is a filthy (yet legally compliant) pig. My truck, OTOH, still reads essentially zero - hey, it was essentially a brand-new, properly installed and tuned small-block six-cylinder engine.
Finally (after several more dirty looks and argument) I get my truck smogged in the state of California.
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Any questions about why states do the smog control inspection thing? Anybody here still gullible enough to think it's actually to protect the ecology?
I wonder who discovered this software bug and how it was detected. I can understand someone running stats to determine a ratio of cars of a certain make/model failing road side sniffers vs. the same make/model passing the test at testing stations. But do they really do that or is this a case of some aftermarket enthusiasts sifting through the ECU code and "chatting" about the interesting results they found? I can't find any mention of how it was detected, only that it was.
and if they want they can use the DMCA to lock out you, jiffy lube, Firestone, and others from resetting it.
Link to the ICCT study that led to this:
http://www.theicct.org/sites/default/files/publications/WVU_LDDV_in-use_ICCT_Report_Final_may2014.pdf
For the majority of people, a slight difference in emissions would be preferable to a noticeable drop in performance.
For the majority of individuals, yes. Because you're not *paying* for the harm your emissions do.
Experts are thinking it has a lot more to do with reducing wear and tear on the very expensive Diesel Particulate Filter (DPS). The majority of states have testing requirements and under the CA 7/70 and Federal 8/80 emissions control warranty rules VW would likely be on the hook to fix any issues.
From Ars Technica:
I have a VW TDI that's "suped up" (albeit one older than 2009). Let me assure you that double the power is not only easily doable with bolt-on parts (ECU tuning, larger injectors, a bigger turbo and not much else) but that the result is hardly any less reliable than the factory configuration.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Note that the violation is subject to a fine. The administration has no authority to order a recall.
Doesn't the administration have the authority to fine them AGAIN, and again, and again, ... if they willfully leave the cars on the road without "upgrading" them? Can't failing to apply a fix be construed to constitute an additional violation of the act, thus avoiding the multiple jeopardy prohibitions of law?
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
These are water cooled VWs we're talking about. Not worth suping up.
The Audi R10
begs to differ, having dominated LeMans for several years. The low-rpm diesel 4WD "racing truck" left the other conventional twice-the-RPM LMP1s in the dust. TDI is surprisingly sporty, though few enough people buy for that.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Your claim that the engine is "being stressed beyond its design" is wrong because the engine is identical to the ones sold in Europe, where the emissions laws are not ridiculously prejudiced against Diesels and what you call the "high power mode" is the only mode. In reality, the engine is simply over-engineered relative to the demands of the EPA-restricted mode.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Freaking last-century slashcode. Linkey.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
It really depends on the car. Only the cheapest just use a timer. Slightly less cheap will count the number of cold starts and how long the engine has ran, and use a simple formula. Some higher end cars actually do sense the oil condition.
Stricter and stricter emissions requirements coupled with stricter MPG requirements for vehicles have likely brought about this behavior. Some of the methods for reducing emissions actually decrease mpg as well, making compliance difficult.
I am willing to bet VW isn't the only ones doing this, and that anyone who hasn't cheated the system is getting hurt by advertising accurate numbers.
I have owned subarus for the pat several years, and the stock tune that they put in the ECU is geared to help emissions. Unfortunately it also causes conditions that are dangerous for the engine and increase wear, as well as noticeable power issues at certain RPMs, all to meet guidelines created by politicians.
My RX8 has a 'feature' that protects the engine from being overheated by being rev'd while not under load.
Conveniently it makes performing the high-idle part of most emissions tests impossible because the car forcibly cuts itself back to idle halfway through most tests.
Most car manufacturers are fiddling the books in some way.
So there I was, scribbling down some notes off the PC screen by hand, when I reached for the keyboard and Ctrl-S'd.
It really depends on the car. Only the cheapest just use a timer. Slightly less cheap will count the number of cold starts and how long the engine has ran, and use a simple formula. Some higher end cars actually do sense the oil condition.
This is what my design professor called a high tech solution to a low tech problem. I use a dipstick.
Fifty years of Yippie! 1968-2018
Someone save the current firmware then, so it can be put in if it should be "fixed" by VW, USG or the like. Might be useful in future too.
Mine's tied to the odometer - every 5k miles from last reset. I just pay attention to the odo and do it when it hits an even divisor of 5k.
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This penalty is going to be severe.
It's one thing to have a colossal recall.
It's another to DELIBERATELY design something to clearly and obviously circumvent tests and emission limits.
This is going to be painful Volkswagen. Sell your VW stocks.
-Styopa
Always wondered...
Revolution is the opium of the intellectuals.
But score one for progressivism, a car that was probably generating minimal extra emissions was taken off the streets! The human cost be damned, we must save the EARTH!!!
Quoted for truth.
Why the hell would anyone mod parent as "flamebait"? Human cost is every bit as important in policy consideration as environmental cost. Especially when the same side of the political spectrum that promotes environmental consciousness is also (ostensibly) concerned with income inequality and class disparity.
That's because in the late 70's GM made an attempt at diesel cars and brutally ruined it for American manufacturers. No one would buy and American diesel car after that.
They had full size sedans with a poorly done diesel converted 350, pushing a massive 100hp. Mileage was somewhat better than the gas models, but they were pretty unreliable, terrible in cold weather, etc. Not to mention the quality of fuel at the time was pretty bad, and gas station mechanics didn't know how to fix them, perfect storm of killing diesel for GM.
My friend had one in highschool. What a heap.
Current Opels (also GM) with modern direct injection are pretty sweet, but they don't bring the engines here for some reason or other.
years ago. A couple of things I remember: 1) the system wasn't ready when the testing started so all cars passed with random passing numbers, 2) 3/4 the way through the study I discovered that a software bug (not mine) was setting the simulated vehicle weight of all vehicles (on the electric dynamometer) to 3000lbs. So that is why we can't get the Geo Metro up to 50 mph ! 3) Toward the end of the study every other vehicle scheduled for test was an RV/Camper. This test was to determine the relative accuracy of low/med/high priced emission testing systems.
Yeah, really, when you think about it, all the various variable valve systems are really just a way for manufacturers to meet emissions requirements while not crippling their cars' power outputs. I mean, drive like a granny like they do when testing emissions (at least where I'm at, it's slowly accelerate to 55mph and then cruise for a while) and you'll pass no problem. Once you punch it and the variable valves kick in, then you're really cooking with gas, and honestly that's how the cars are driven a lot of the time. I doubt you're passing any emission test while doing that, though. What VW did here is definitely more blatant, though -- heck, if they just came up with some technical excuse for lowering power when the car is detected to not be in motion (ie. increasing torque if the wheels are spinning or some such bullshit), I bet it wouldn't even be an issue.
Does anyone remember adjustable cam gears?
This is what my design professor called a high tech solution to a low tech problem. I use a dipstick.
Dipstick tells you oil level, and if you're good, a smidge about oil condition. Unless you're driving an oil-burner, level doesn't say much.
Also, oil turns black pretty quickly, and it's actually guesswork on how well it's holding up depending on numerous values - changing it early saves the engine, but costs you more oil changes. Changing it late costs the engine, but saves you on oil changes. Ideally, you change the oil once the sustainers and such in it are exhausted and it can't carry out the contaminants quickly enough.
In order to really do this, you need to test. I actually ordered an oil test kit recently, and I already use an oversized oil filter - cleans just as good as the standard, but has ~50% more filter.
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Diesels get good fuel but put out dirty exhaust. It's fundamental to the technology. This tradeoff might be acceptable for large trucks where high fuel efficiency and great low rpm torque matter most, but it is absolutely stupid for a passenger car. If you hold diesel to the same pollution standards as gasoline, it can never win.
Basically, those in power will always cheat. German cars appear safe until new tests show that they are at the bottom of the heap on new tests. IOW, they are very poorly engineered, but with corners cut so as to not harm sales . Germany screams about AGW, but they will continue to cheat, just like china does. This is why we need to monitor the co2, other emissions via sat, and then tax all goods, or goods with parts , that come from high emissions area. After that, let local gov decide how to make cuts.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
In order to really do this, you need to test. I actually ordered an oil test kit recently, and I already use an oversized oil filter - cleans just as good as the standard, but has ~50% more filter.
For pre-powerstroke ford diesels, you can run the FL1995 powerstroke filter which is not only better but also adds ~1qt. oil capacity...
Oil testing is expensive, though. If you get oil on sale at wally world, it's cheaper than testing.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
"rising sea levels renders populated land uninhabitable on the coasts by mid-century."
You have been deluded, but population growth alone is more than enough trouble to have to deal with. Driving people off the California coast would be a good thing, since they cannot get enough water to survive entirely normal drought cycles. Sadly, I expect them to want to settle just a little further inland.
But I would prefer the seacoast also. I understand.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Slavery has been used to enhance many political systems. It's not politics, it's people. We are not inherently good.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Clearly this car has some AI built-in and developed self-awareness. It realized that if it failed the emissions test it would end up in a junk yard somewhere and possibly crushed into scrap metal. What we are seeing here is the development of a self-preservation. I wouldn't be surprised if the mechanics that attempt to correct this problem end up being the victims of a hit and run.
WTF are you on about? As well as your whole fantasy being pure bullshit, there are NO VW diesel engines in the US that use timing "chains". They are all belt driven. There used to be a very rare V-10 diesel that had gear-driven timing.
Yep. Someone who is NOT full of shit. Thank you. To the morons: you can cruise all day at 100 mph with the original unmodified 90 hp 1998-2003 diesel. Cruising at 65 on the level you are using maybe 15-20 hp. Just how much of the time do you think the guy with the souped-up engine is actually putting out 180+ hp? Brief sprints; no more.
I could bury the 85 mph speedo on my 1982 slushbox Audi 5000 Turbo Diesel (a damn decent size car like a palace inside) with the stock 84 hp engine and there was still more left. Yeah, my foot had to be planted on the floor and it took a while to get there, but the engine was purring sublimely and contentedly.
My intent is not to test on a routine basis, but more to get a baseline. Call it a 100k mile checkup.
Basically, can I extend my oil changes or not?
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Basically, can I extend my oil changes or not?
The problem is that the oil analysis also detects component wear, which is more likely when extending oil changes... If you're doing extended oil changes, you really want to do analysis every time, at about the recommended interval.
For everyone but fleet owners, it's easier and cheaper to just change your oil.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
What on Earth do concentration camps and slavery have to do with socialism??
Simple solution; require VW to take ALL the cars in and repay the owners the full cost they paid for it. This arises because they can't fulfil the deal they were offering... That will bankrupt VW? Well - they're not American so who cares?
Just do an OTA update. Oh, wait it is not a Tesla. :)
This is what my design professor called a high tech solution to a low tech problem. I use a dipstick.
Dipstick tells you oil level, and if you're good, a smidge about oil condition. Unless you're driving an oil-burner, level doesn't say much.
Also, oil turns black pretty quickly, and it's actually guesswork on how well it's holding up depending on numerous values - changing it early saves the engine, but costs you more oil changes. Changing it late costs the engine, but saves you on oil changes. Ideally, you change the oil once the sustainers and such in it are exhausted and it can't carry out the contaminants quickly enough.
In order to really do this, you need to test. I actually ordered an oil test kit recently, and I already use an oversized oil filter - cleans just as good as the standard, but has ~50% more filter.
i used to do oil test kits, years ago. every single report made me worry though. one month it would be full of zinc. one month it would be full of aluminum. etc. for one thing, the additives between different brands of oil show up in the tests sometimes as excess of whatever metal, and i wasn't too faithful to one brand of oil at the time. i eventually gave up.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
I must admit, that I didn't expect such a big discussion on VW on US site :-) ;-) if that's important to insult me ;-)
In Poland, driving VW means (generaly) either You're redneck or low grade corpo-clerk. What are the stereotypes about VW drivers in US?
Ps. I'm driving 2013 Mazda6 diesel
I read one article based on tree rings from around the state that California is settling in for a 1,000-year drought. Whether that's true or not, there's nothing normal about today's drought. If farming in the Central Valley got relocated to other parts of the country that has an abundance of water, we would have enough water for people and fishes.
Hmm.... Still, I figure 1 test to make sure I don't have problems like antifreeze or fuel getting into my oil is a good idea.
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Hmm.... Still, I figure 1 test to make sure I don't have problems like antifreeze or fuel getting into my oil is a good idea.
can't argue with that. maybe once a year or some such.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Apparently about $18,000,000,000.00 What could California do with $18,000,000,000.00 windfall? They could pay down about 10% of the outstanding debt and liabilities. http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/2015...
TDI owner here (multiple cars both clean and older style diesels). There are some errors in the media floating around...
First many news stories are saying that the engines are coded this way so that they can pass without urea injection. The Passat as a larger vehicle already has urea injection - only the smaller TDIs run without injection. Some are saying that this is why Mazda was not able to enter the US without using urea. They still haven't been able to do it without urea.
Second the trigger isn't the OBD2 port - it takes into account the rear wheels being stationary while in motion and the steering input to trigger the defeat coding. Plugging in the VCDS won't trigger this - Just about all shade-tree VW mechanic has at least one VCDS cord. We would have found this sooner, trust me.
Lastly, while there is a request to recall the cars - there has been no move to do so and VW is going to take at least a month to review it's options. There is no active recall. They are (the 2016s) being held at port. Not sure if this will stand, as they can sell these cars to the other 45 states that car care less about diesel emissions. When I got my older TDI 5 states did not allow entry into their states (my state required it to be a "used" car sale). This is only designed to hurt VWs bottom line and to lower their sales numbers (TDIs are much more efficient than gas and a greater threat to fossil fuel money).
More like every 10 oil changes or so - roughly at the half-way point between the a major change-out of the fluids.
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It's the diesel particulate filters at a replacement cost of $5,500 that Volkswagen screwed us over!!!! will this help alleviate that issue or am I soooo screwed over this?
So what made it ok for the OP to ignore the human HEALTH cost? Or are do all the rich people in your area live in drafty shacks next to the interstate while the asthma-free, fully-insured poor live on the coast and breathe in clean air from the fresh ocean breezes?
"I'm so moist I'm sticking to the leather." -Kermit the Frog on The Late Late Show
That reminds me of a friend. He read so much about the harmful effects of smoking that he gave up reading.
John
From other posts, once it's "fixed" you'll probably get less fuel economy...
FTA:
Affected diesel models include:
Jetta (Model Years 2009 – 2015)
Beetle (Model Years 2009 – 2015)
Audi A3 (Model Years 2009 – 2015)
Golf (Model Years 2009 – 2015)
Passat (Model Years 2014-2015)
It is incumbent upon Volkswagen to initiate the process that will fix the cars’ emissions systems. Car owners should know that although these vehicles have emissions exceeding standards, these violations do not present a safety hazard and the cars remain legal to drive and resell. Owners of cars of these models and years do not need to take any action at this time.
It still pollutes less than a V8 or a V10 and those aren't recalled for excessive emissions.