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Windows 10 Upgrades Are Being Forced On Some Users (arstechnica.com)
grimmjeeper writes: According to Ars Technica the Windows 10 upgrade option is being selected by default for some users. A dialogue box is appearing that only permits them to reschedule the upgrade process, not cancel it. "For the first year of its availability, Windows 10 is available for free to most Windows 7 and 8 users, and Microsoft has been trying to coax those users to make the switch by delivering the operating system through Windows Update. Until now, the OS has been delivered as an optional update; while Windows Update gives it prominent positioning, it shouldn't be installed automatically. This system has already generated some complaints, as Windows Update will download the sizeable operating system installer even if you don't intend to upgrade any time soon, but, over the last couple of days, the situation seems to have become a little more aggressive. We've received a number of reports that people's systems are not merely downloading the installer but actually starting it up."
Update: 10/16 11:35 GMT by S : Microsoft said, "In the recent Windows update, this option was checked as default; this was a mistake and we are removing the check."
From the article - 'In the recent Windows update, this option was checked as default; this was a mistake and we are removing the check.'
That is one heck of a mistake!!!
Microsoft seems really, really interested in installing this new version on everyone... I wonder why.
My only PC I haven't upgraded requires Windows Media Center to record TV; add media center to Windows 10 and I'd be happy to upgrade from Windows 8. Otherwise, they can go shove it.
-SaNo
Many employers require staff to run earlier versions of Windows to maintain compatibility with certain software. I could see how this could severely interrupt workflow if pushed too aggressively.
Microsoft better curtail this.
Remember the last round with the Web browser, and later the media player? Small potatoes. Imagine what happens when someone running bootcamp runs this and borks their Mac. Or someone dual-booting Linux and completely obliterating the Linux partitions.
And by "thanks" I mean, "thanks for nothing, you pricks."
I'll happily stay on Win 7 until my PC breaks and it can't be fixed or until I get hardware for which there are no Win 7 drivers. Then it'll be time to switch to Linux, perhaps an Unbuntu distro or Mint, which I've heard good things about.
MS knows i"m not alone in feeling this way, and apparently my desires conflict with their business plan.
So I might as well ask now, what distro would people recommend switching to for a desktop box? Or better yet, which ones should I stay away from?
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
As much as I hate to do it, If they don't stop this Windows 10 push garbage I'm going to turn off the automatic updates feature. I'm running Windows Media Center on a windows 7 box and I DON'T want the upgrade, at least not until there is some option for a replacement DVR solution that can playback protected content. Please Microsoft, STOP pushing this, I don't want 10 (or 8 for that matter) so stop asking.
I've noticed that Microsoft is getting really pushy about this upgrade thing and has pushed yet another update that has that annoying "Get Windows 10" icon even after I uninstalled and blocked the first update with it. I disabled the Icon notices, but I really would love to unload the new update. Anybody know which update this new one is?
All this really does is convince me that as soon as somebody can come up with a Linux alternative that his fully DRM blessed to play back protected content from my Cable Card tuner, I'm switching and ditching Microsoft and their "we rule the world, do as we say" attitude.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
From the article - 'In the recent Windows update, this option was checked as default; this was a mistake and we are removing the check.'
That is one heck of a mistake!!!
Remarkable how mistakes are always in their favor.
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by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
So I just just set my mom's computer not to automatically update? Her computer will never get patched if that happens.
You shouldn't have to babysit automatic updates to keep it in line. It should just provide automatic updates in the background - set and forget.
Now in reality you do have to, and I do on my windows laptop (and yes, windows 10 was automatically checked last time I search for new updates), but you shouldn't *have* to.
It worked OK on a spare laptop I tried it with way back in the semi-public beta - figured out how to disable the most egregious annoyances to just act like the Windows 7 upgrade I actually want. I'll likely add a block on an external firewall where the hosts file no longer blocks for known MS data collection (spy) servers. I expect Microsoft to act evil wherever it can - nice to see them less suicidal-evil compared to Windows 8.
Didn't apply the update to any other systems though - found too many missing drivers still from lazy/defunct manufacturers, including my Edimax Wireless AC USB I use on two of my systems If it comes down to the wire, I'll just get a new wireless USB for the applicable systems - but I really just want to wait for a better user library of replacement DLLs to bypass the usual MS bullshit while still offering the Windows 7 functionality I care about.
Hopefully someone will make a nice open-source replacement for Windows Update, that will offer to schedule updates entirely for all users, rather than force updates or demand enterprise-level purchases.
Ryan Fenton
C:\$WINDOWS.~BT\
Enjoy your forced download.
has caused me to disallow it on my network due to privacy concerns. My Wi-Fi router password does not need to be stored by Microsoft. This is one of those instances where I really thank God I know and use BSD and Linux to be able to avoid the likes of this junk. I told my wife she needs to either get a MacBook or Linux replaces the Windows 7 install. I removed the MS KBs that would allow Windows 10 to be installed and also removed the additional telemetry crap. No one but me needs knowledge of my passwords.
From what I've been reading, it doesn't matter if you turn off Automatic Updates or not, it still goes right ahead and downloads and attempts to install itself.. just like any other malware.
Here's an idea: Find the executable in the Win10 install package that's run, go into it's Properties, Security tab, set 'Deny' for 'Read and Execute' for 'SYSTEM'. Should prevent the installer from running. If the OS changes the permissions against your express wishes, or it just keeps downloading new copies, then Microsoft is violating their own system security scheme; in that case, if it wasn't already time to get out, now it'll be time to get out and find a different OS. I've never been a huge fan of Microsoft (have managed to never pay for a single legal copy of any version of Windows) but I've put up with it. This behavior from them takes the cake, though; I'm done. The next box has to have something other than Windows on it. I can't tolerate an OS that countermands my express wishes and takes away all control from me like that.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
I bet in a management meeting, the top boss screams out: "I want X new installs by Y, or you are outta here! I don't care how you do it, just get it done!"
The operative phrase is "I don't care how to do it".
Table-ized A.I.
I support quite a few companies and Microsoft have created so much hassle for me recently with this, we now try to block these updates from happening, but, like most people, the first wave caught us off guard. Windows 10 is not compatible with 2nd gen i3/i5/i7 processors with internal graphics - it causes many BSOD and various system problems after about 30-90 minutes usage. Intel have not to date released a driver upgrade. Microsoft does not block these systems from upgrading to Windows 10.
Mine is set to ask me before downloading and I still ended up with the nag icon and a 5gb folder you can't delete unless you boot from other media.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Remeber years ago on this site when not performing OS updates was a sign that you shouldn't be allowed near a computer?
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
We have 6 machines. 4 of them upgraded no problem. One had a legacy bios / efi upgrade problem. Windows 10 is nice, an improvement over Windows 7. Everyone here really likes it.
:-(
The 6th machine on the other hand is a single partition machine that has gone from XP to 8.1 without a hitch. Windows 10 repartitions the disk and leaves it unusable (RAW) every time the upgrade runs. Auto upgrade there would wipe out the machine
Couldn't be any worse.
It should have read:
So I should just set my mom's computer not to automatically update? Her computer will never get patched if that happens.
You actually have automatic updates ON?
WTF?
Don't you want to KNOW what's going to be loaded onto your computer BEFORE it breaks something?
What kind of moron would use Windows of all Oses with all it's flaws and with Windows 7 now freaking 5 years of exploits all ready for Hackers to steal your credit info?!
Somebody who wanted to have his Cable Card tuner feed a DVR and be able to play protected content and not pay the Cable company boat loads of cash each month for their crappy set top boxes. Windows Media Center is the ONLY game in town and it runs best on Windows 7. I run it because there are no other options. As soon as there is another option that works, I'm jumping off the Windows ship.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
clear her system, disable updates and have a good backup plan so you can always restore from read-only media (yeah, dvd) anytime you want.
seriously. disable updates and have a good backup/restore strat and test it to be sure you can do a restore.
--
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
I certainly have no interest in upgrading. My only Windows PC is used for gaming, and some light work when I want to use a larger screen. I'm happy with the setup, and don't want anyone except myself to mess around with it. Thus far, this has proven to be the case even though some people are reporting very different experiences.
Which leaves me wondering: are these reports over dramatized or do they reflect actions on Microsoft's end? I certainly wouldn't put it past Microsoft. They certainly have a multitude of motivations to move their customers onto the latest OS. On the other hand, it is possible for these reports to be honest and misrepresent Microsoft. Windows is a complex OS and it is possible to inadvertently misconfigure things or misread a prompt, resulting in undesired results without really realizing how it came about.
Set her machine to never check for updates. Whenever you come over to visit, just do a check for any new updates and avoid those which are dodgy.
If regular or semi-regular visits are out of the question, install TeamViewer (free for personal use) on her machine and do it remotely once in a while.
You actually have automatic updates ON?
WTF?
Don't you want to KNOW what's going to be loaded onto your computer BEFORE it breaks something?
Do you? Unless you have a test system to load the updates one at a time and determine if they break anything, You are just spitting into the wind here.
So, who has time to test all these patches at home anyway? Unless you do it at work and already know, who's going to take the time to test EVERY patch that MS puts out on Tuesday? So what do you prefer? Unpatched machines or waiting until I can find time to validate all the patches? Sometimes you just have to hold your nose and patch, hoping for the best. This is JUST my DVR we are talking about... If the worst happens, I have a backup image and it only takes an hour to dump it onto the box again and I loose all my recordings.... It's not like a mission critical part of the space station or something, it's TV shows for crying out loud.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Hide this update and you should never see the get windows 10 thing, at least until they reissue it again and it gets removed from the hidden updates(again)
Fuckers ripped it right out of Media Center. Gee thanks, wasn't using that or anything.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
clear her system, disable updates and have a good backup plan so you can always restore from read-only media (yeah, dvd) anytime you want.
seriously. disable updates and have a good backup/restore strat and test it to be sure you can do a restore.
Seriously, Windows doesn't give a rats ass if you don't want to update. I've had several that have just happened, no choice on my part other than not connecting to the internet.
Choices, many of them, only none for you. I would bet my life that Enterprise phones home whether you like ot or not
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
No, just go into optional updates, select the windows 10 install update and right-click "hide update".
Bam, it won't auto-run.
...
Windows really IS a VIRUS.
...until Microsoft has another "accident".
The launch is only days away. Coincidence?
Went to fire up my Windows 10 VM today. It was a technical preview which allows me to upgrade to a full Windows 10 Pro version, but I am locked out. First it said it was outdated, Then it quite updating altogether.
Now it says a component expired and I need to hit F8 for recovery except nothing happens with F8.
A tad frustrating.
Just wondering.
If the key is listed as pirated, a good thing would be to auto download and install.
Want to know the truth? Get an XP box with no updates connected to the internet without a firewall? Countdown to infection is around 30 to 45 seconds!
I saw that paraded so much that eventually i tried it, and no it is complete bullshit.
You aren't as right as you think. There was a time when a fresh install of XP was indeed infected before updates could be downloaded from Microsoft. That pretty much ended with SP3. Actually, I think it was addressed with SP2, but the first SP2 also broke XP on AMD machines, causing an endless reboot cycle. Naturally I was quite biased against SP2 for that reason.
Just because your experiment failed doesn't mean that the stories are lies. I experienced that "complete bullshit", thank you very much.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
Anyone who uses Windows Media Center will definitely not want to upgrade to Windows 10 as Windows 7 is the last version Microsoft shipped with this great program.
Of course Microsoft everyone using Windows Media Center to get an X-Box. I'd more likely keep my old pc, it's tv-tuners and use XMBC with NextPVR.
Microsoft keeps making decisions which seem desperate and ill thought out.
Perhaps the other option is to take a principled stand against Digital Restrictions Management by doing without the "protected content".
Now I have the latest version of Debian GNU/Linux installed [...] I feel like I'm missing out on getting as irritated at my OS as Windows users do.
That's because you're irritated in another way: you're missing out on working Wi-Fi and suspend. This is what happens on some battery-powered PCs if you rip out Windows and install Debian. Source
I did that (hide the Windows 10 install update). Guess what? When I "check for updates" it's back, and selected by default. What are also back are the other updates I've hidden that backport telemetry to Windows 8.1 (although they at least aren't force-selected for install). Hiding does no good.
I have Windows 8.1 on a partition for use when I absolutely can't avoid doing something under Windows (thankfully not often). Otherwise I never even touch that steaming pile and run off my Linux partition, where I can get work done without having to watch my back, not just for hackers, but to protect myself from the vendor that wants our trust and does everything possible to lose it.
1: Buy a midrange computer with a quiet fan and PSU.
2: Stick in two hard disks, leave them JBOD.
3: Install Windows Server 2012 R2.
4: Create a mirror Storage Space volume, ReFS filesystem on those three drives. Now, bit rot gets detected and squashed.
5: Install WSUS and Windows Server essentials.
6: Block the KBs that are nasty, auto-allow all security updates, and (up to you), allow the rest or block it.
7: Configure mom's computer to back up to the server and get updates from its WSUS server.
Done. The KBs will not get through, her computer gets backed up the right way (i.e. ransomware can't touch the backups), and an image restore is a bootable USB flash drive away.
I updated a freaking bunch of CoreDuo laptops (please notice the absence of the number 2 in the middle of the name) with intel graphics (granted, not integrated) with no issues. (you can search my past posts for the gory details)...
It stands to reason that if such old graphics can handle win10, so can more modern Core iX integrated graphics, with some tweaking (perhaps using the Vista/7/8 drivers instead of the out of the box 10 ones, and checking that ALL your firmware is up to the latest, no matter what the release notes say).
Yes, is a hassle, and yes, true, Microsoft should have blocked the upgrade on your machines for the time being. But, the engineers there are not omniscient, and when (as a previous commenter said) the big boss says "I want X updates by Y date no matter how", this type of things happens, and is up to us to deal with the fallout. Lucky for me, I did it as a favor, and is not my day to day job.
I empathize with you, and do not envy your plight.
At least, those laptops will not end in Ghana for the next 5~10 years; or so I hope.
*** Suerte a todos y Feliz dia!
It's true - last night I put my OSX Macbook to sleep, opened it this morning to find Windows 10 installed. And it didn't even have Wi-Fi on, damn thing came in over Bluetooth!
Was smooth at first, but now I'm seeing that was a mistake. These update issues are a real headache when I'm trying to get work done. Plus, I imaged to a bigger HD, windows would refuse to let me login. I ended up having to "reset" windows, which removes all apps, preserves user data, and reinstalls Windows. Now I can't activate it for some fucking reason. And when I reboot after reinstalling an app uninstalled during the reset, it tries (and fails!) to update. I'm not sure what's more frustrating: the cluster fuck that it is or Microsoft isn't saying shit about it.
Chewbacon
The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
To use a widly targeted and popular OS like WIndows without AV and updates is batshit insane for any system to be connected to the internet. Want to know the truth? Get an XP box with no updates connected to the internet without a firewall? Countdown to infection is around 30 to 45 seconds!
Windows by default = stealth mode firewall. Vast majority of residential users = NAT. Classic time to own scenario and arguments well past their sell-by date.
I question any user who says proudly he does not update his computer with a smile who calls himself a computer geek. I hope the Russian hackers who put flash ads with malware have not cleaned your Mom's bank account yet
Trash flash.
Oh that is right I bet you are probably one of these users who thinks if you do not install software you are 100% safe and no exploits in flash, chrome, IE, or in javascript that of course will never get patched
Not keeping browser patched is asking for it.
> (Dang English and all the Homophones.... )
Those homos annoy you, eh?
In my experience, that's generally been used hooking into an external software (or an external system running software) such as MythTV or an HDHomeRun device, etc.
That allows it to manage recordings but I don't believe it has any built-in functionality for such.
From what I've been reading, it doesn't matter if you turn off Automatic Updates or not, it still goes right ahead and downloads and attempts to install itself.. just like any other malware.
I've been a bit of a MS supporter (check my post history), and brushed off most of the criticism around the MS-hate. However the tracking behaviour of Win10 has crossed the line. I've just upgraded my Win7 laptop to Linux Mint (I still find it clunky, but does the job for web/email). I can no longer support a company that disregards its customer's privacy so blatantly.
..however it fits PERFECTLY with their recent actions, so I REALLY DON'T FUCKING BELIEVE IT TO BE A MISTAKE.
like, first they make the fucking popup come up every 15 mins or so to get you to download the update, then they port some 'diagnosis'(presumably to diagnose why people are not installing windows 10) back to 7/8, then they move to downloading the update in background regardless.
THEN they start popping up the installer WITH ONE BUTTON.
would MS do such a mistake? I mean, this is the microsoft that has already for few years perverted their own UI standards to coax people into making choices they want the user to make rather than giving the user a clear choice to decline, there's ample examples of that behavior such as on new windows installation making screens that have a button element and another button that's a link element that _functionally_ both act as buttons - the one that is made to look not like a button however is the choice they don't want you to make - so it would fit perfectly with that UI shenigans to make on purpose a popup that had no cancel button on it since "hey if the user closes the dialog then that counts as a cancel, amirite???".
it's bullshit. and it's remarkable bullshit coming from a company that had nailed the easy to use window UI down 15 years ago already and should just have stuck with that and their own guidelines that they did with real science and real user studies that just were done to benefit the user, since that it has been downhill for them(really, win2k era was the pinnacle, then they started skinning and just doing cutesy shit and now even worse they started to 'guide' the user).
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Pray they don't alter it any further.
The Jews media
I thought your comment actually had some merit until I saw the above embedded in it. You've lost credibility, not just as a commenter but as a person.
It is all a setup for Windows 11. Windows 11 will be subscription based even they will not be able to run non-subscription Word or Excel.
This may be a blessing in disguise. People may have strong incentives or even be forced to get away from Windows once and for all. For those who truly have no choice (whether due to genuinely irreplaceable mission-critical software or corporate fiat), they will pay up on a monthly basis (no doubt 10% discount for paying a year in advance or some such).
I'd like to believe it will send many people to Linux (sadly, not likely), but Apple is the more likely beneficiary ... unless they get on the subscription bandwagon, too.
It's absolutely confirmed by MS's own admission.
They claim it was a mistake.
LOL
I'm talking actual users (in more of a bloc than random anecdotes from comment sections) waking up to Windows 10. From the article it seems all but inevitable; we're just not seeing it yet.
I'd be absolutely furious. Thank heavens for unix variants.
I used to think like you did but now I don't. I think Microsoft is honestly going the data route. I think they will just sell your data and make a killing. They don't need subscriptions. With privacy software gaining speed, Microsoft will have a leg up spying on you from the OS itself.
One thing that puts me off is the Win10 availability notification box keeps crashing!
WGwhatever.EXE has had an unknown error.
From what I've been reading, it doesn't matter if you turn off Automatic Updates or not, it still goes right ahead and downloads and attempts to install itself.. just like any other malware.
Have you submitted samples to anti-virus companies? Anyone here able to add detection to ClamAV?
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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While I suspect the Windows 7 -> 10 autopatch is actually a bug, I will point out this- Enterprise plays by TOTALLY different rules. In Enterprise Win 10, you can disable auto updates. In Pro (and the free Home) 10, you can NOT do so without all manner of hacky-sack.
Enterprise Windows 10 is kind of still an OS. You can't buy it as an individual, of course.
Apple (OS X) seems a lot better in a lot of ways right now. Certainly it respects privacy more and doesn't randomly key log and shit. And you can actually control it. It still has the same downsides it has always had, but these are orthogonal problems.
From the perspective of stuff being discussed in this thread, yes, Apple is better. And so are many OSes.
Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Update\Change settings -> choose "never check for updates"
I can't have agreed to the EULA.
A query I will have to pass on to the courts in the UK to see why I can be made to agree to something I never agreed to by the computer program ignoring my refusal.
I got sick of fighting 10 attempting to go in on my gaming box, the last straw being when it decided to fill up the SSD I use for the OS (programs and data on other drives).
I called Microsoft Support. It took them some time, but they not only got rid of about 4 gig of windows 10 junk that had been downloaded to my drive, but adjusted my registry to indicate that I was not eligible for the 10 upgrade.
I'm guessing that the registry change is the way to go for stopping 10 nagging and such.. For a few days I have been blissfully free of such things.
Last night I was disabling the reboot-after-update thing in windows group policy editor, and I noticed an item that can be enabled saying roughly "Turn off the upgrade to the most recent version of windows through windows update".
I don't remember seeing this one discussed much around the tubes, but now it might come in handy (if it does what it says).
Getting infected before installing updates was real, I had it happen back then.
Even without running Internet Explorer to get firefox and drivers, yes.
Without javascript I believe you can't log in to many websites, including some major webmail.
Perhaps you use a mail client. Maybe have some free mail service you subscribed to before they closed it off because they can't manage 1 million+ accounts.
I want to do like you do, but I would end up with a monthly email bill and reloading the whole page to load or display slashdot comments.
Why don't you set a restore point? Then if an update borks it you can roll it back.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I've done that 3 times now. Windows Update kept bringing the selection back, with the box checked.
Um, no. The option is being chosen for you without your input. Not only that, if you uncheck the box, it will be rechecked for you without your consent. If you hide the update, it will be un-hidden and rechecked for you without your permission.
Restore points didn't always work - better to make a disk image of a known good working system. A full disk image is superior to most backups too.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
It should be noted that SP-3 is very nearly a different OS than the original XP with no service packs installed. A lot of things changed over the course of three service packs.
"Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
I think the FSF's position on boycotting DRM follows this logic: If enough people boycott DRM, this will improve the world by showing publishers that there's no longer a market for products including DRM.
The trick is not to block all JavaScript, just most. For example, for this page I'm allowing 2 out of 10 scripts origins, slashdot.org and fsd.com. Not perfect but helps security and gets rid of stupid videos and other ads.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
with no updates
That pretty much ended with SP3.
SP3 is an update.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Once again proving the old adage that "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission."
It's hard for me to believe that was a "mistake."
An effective "democracy" creates the illusion the people have a say in their government.
Last week Windows 10 infested my router, my 3 Linux PCs (one of them had a dead battery) and my smart TV. Fortunately it wouldn't run on my router or ten year old laptop, so I was able to download fresh virus definitions for ClamAV and remove it all.
Same thoughts here. When/if WinXP/2003 finally becomes nonviable (and the only way I can see that happening is if the majority of the internet vs older browsers becomes the chokepoint) -- sorry, I've tried Win7 and 8 and wasn't amused, and it is MY computer, not Win10's computer, so we ain't going there. This led to another of my periodic spasms of testing linux distros, and I was pleased to find a few are finally approaching my usability standards for an everyday OS. Mint is tolerable if, as you say, a bit clunky. PClinuxOS is pretty promising too (try the fullmonty edition). I still prefer WinXP but come to it, at this point I could live with linux... so long as KDE 4.x still runs. Wasn't at all impressed with KDE5, and none of the other DEs does it for me.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Unless it's bootstrapped on the install media.
So what you're saying is that you're running XP SP3 on a connection in a closed network with firewall at one end and NAT?
As opposed to the good old days of XP (not SP3 but XP in it's glorious original) being directly connected to a cable modem (if you had the dollars to spend) and getting one of those fancy old school publicly routeable IP address.
I remember not even being able to install the updated required to make windows update work before my computer brought up the 30second to shutdown window which was a lovely tell-tale sign that the computer got owned by Blaster.
Seriously, Windows doesn't give a rats ass if you don't want to update. I've had several that have just happened, no choice on my part other than not connecting to the internet.
Choices, many of them, only none for you. I would bet my life that Enterprise phones home whether you like ot or not
Troll? Looks like the shills have mod points tonight.
You can do as you will, but it's the truth. I have a Windows Ten system in a sacrificial computer on my desk. Windows 10 Professional. And Windows forces updates on it although I have it set to delay them and notify me. It asked a few times, now it just does updates without any input from me.
Only in Windowsworld is the truth trolling.
Not very surprising, I suppose.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
On any sane OS that's still the case.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Are/were there actually routers that didn't default to NAT?
Because NAT is enough to kill all the probes that can infect or bluescreen a post-install Windows.
(I got hit by a post-install bluescreen on Win2k when I happened to re-install with NAT disabled. I disconnected the ethernet cable and redid the install.)
"Slow Down Cowboy! It's been 58 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment" -- slashdot, driving users away.
Try refuting that you're a raving anti-Semite.
It is still an update, it is just an update that is loaded on the install media then.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
An update it may be but there is a very VERY specific difference in the possible attack vectors. Splitting hairs does not help the topic at hand which is how to install Windows and make it secure.
The GP is quite right that installing Windows XP with SP3 bootstrapped likely means that he didn't get owned when he first connected his computer to the internet to download updates.
On the flip side I remember one day with a vanilla Windows XP machine the first thing I had to do was download an update to windows update before I could even download the service pack. Computer got owned before that initial update even finished.
You really should expand this whole thread and read it from top to bottom.
Want to know the truth? Get an XP box with no updates connected to the internet without a firewall? Countdown to infection is around 30 to 45 seconds!
I saw that paraded so much that eventually i tried it, and no it is complete bullshit.
You aren't as right as you think. There was a time when a fresh install of XP was indeed infected before updates could be downloaded from Microsoft. That pretty much ended with SP3. Actually, I think it was addressed with SP2, but the first SP2 also broke XP on AMD machines, causing an endless reboot cycle. Naturally I was quite biased against SP2 for that reason.
SP3 is an update.
The original thread was XP without updates gets pwned within a minute. Someone trotting out how that isn't true with SP3 doesn't change anything, that is an update, XP without updates still gets owned in less than a minute as sp3 is an update and doesn't count as XP without updates, so doesn't change anything about what was said.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?