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Is Too Much Choice Stressing Us Out? (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader writes: In the decades following World War 2, there was a dramatic expansion in choices for consumers. Where before there were only a few brands of bread, now there were dozens. Marketers were relentless in trying to fill every niche, to capture every last market segment. But in the 1990s and 2000s, we started to realize that this wasn't inherently a good thing. Choice paralysis demonstrably exists. It's made us start asking questions like: do we really need 30 types of jam on a store shelf? Is there a good reason for a firm to offer over 150 different pension plans? It turns out, no. Employees are much less likely to actually choose a plan when confronted with so many. In worrying about finding the best choice, they accidentally pick what is by far the worst: nothing. Barry Schwartz, a psychologist who helped bring this idea to the fore, has been advocating for less choice, and offers this suggestion: "The secret to happiness is low expectations."

358 comments

  1. Capitalism by Stuarticus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Relentless growth relies on a large subset of the buying public being able to make poor decisions on what to buy, then having to replace that item shortly thereafter. This choice reduction seems like some commie nonsense to me.

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    1. Re:Capitalism by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The poor choices large subsets have made on behalf of everyone unfortunatly have included communism in the past, leading to just one brand of bread, available for just an 8 hour wait in a city block length line.

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    2. Re:Capitalism by nucrash · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, there was an article about companies like ImBev who were trying to use vertical integration to reduce the amount of choices a customer had in order to sell additional beer. They saw it as the fact that if customers had less to select from, then they would buy more. Then again, these are monopolistic practices.

      I disagree with this on some measure. There are some items which sell more than others and really wish shelving space would address these needs especially in the food industry.

      Yet there are companies like Lenovo that built in lots of product diversity. That boded well for them for a bit, but later started to show up in production costs.
      Capitalism more than communism wants to keep production costs low though. They will fight to reduce choice in what ever market they can to reduce costs. Competing companies will push for innovation and create market diversity.

      Again with companies such as Ford, General Motors and Chrysler; we have companies that had very diverse markets but decided to cut several product lines in order to stay relevant and get in line for those fat government bailouts.

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    3. Re: Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is true but just to add to what you have said companies want to increase choice for consumers because that drives purchasing however reduced costs by making homogeneous supply chains. They do this by creating one product but making it look like multiple products. For example Nokia in the late 90s and early 2000 produced sometimes 8 or 9 different in the products that were identical except for the last out of plastic shell. This is also true to a lesser degree of Intel who produced the same microprocessor but simply enable or other disable certain features in different models.

    4. Re:Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except everyone is fully capable of baking their own bread. There's a myriad of natural growing alternatives to flour etc.

    5. Re: Capitalism by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The bread bullshit in the summary is what got me. Before WWII, most bread was baked at home. This guy seems enamored with brands. In an earlier life was he a marketing fuck?

    6. Re:Capitalism by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Try capitalism at work - corporations buying each other up to form monopolies.

    7. Re:Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relentless growth relies on a large subset of the buying public being able to make poor decisions on what to buy, then having to replace that item shortly thereafter. This choice reduction seems like some commie nonsense to me.

      Then open up your checkbook and spread your consumer wings with pride!

    8. Re:Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is it wasn't communism that turned too much choice in bread to only one type of bread with an 8 hour wait line. Communism in Russia turned there is no bread at all into at least there is one type of bread with an 8 hour wait line.

      It is not easy to see what Communism brought to Russia with the eyes of a citizen of the developed western world. 150 years ago Russia was still working with serfs, people owned by the 1%. Russia couldn't achieve in 5 decades what the west achieved in 500 years. The serfs that were given their freedom went from a very bad life to an even worse life, many were exploited and worked for almost nothing for the few rich who owned the natural resources.
       
      Communism accelerated the evolution from feudalism to a fully industrialized society. And the communists achieved this in only one generation. If the Communists would have allowed the evolution to the next form of government in the 1960's, Russia could have been a leading power in science en technology in the 21 century. But unfortunately the Communists wanted to remain in power and control the entire economy that at that time had become way to complex to be government from a central bureau.
       
      But that is what happens with these kind of systems. There are some good ideas, but in the end it is a bad system. The lack of democracy destroyed Communism from within. They had achieved what nobody had done before: going from the middle ages to a space travelling empire in less than a century. When the industrialisation was finished the communists should have let go their power and give democratic power to the educated working class. They knew best what products they wanted and needed and they were better at deciding what and how much products should be made and what research and development should have been done.

      The communists could only come up with one thing: machines of war and the 'normal' economy was brain drained only to fuel the R&D in this awful industry. When up to 60% of your GDP ends up in the war industry, than you can expect that there is only one type of bread.

      We should not make the mistake that limiting choice will lead us to Communism. Because that's not true. Communism as lead to only one choice in a particular product. But not having 100's of different choices does not lead to Communism. We have come this far because our society is run by marketeers where we are bombarded with advertising every moment we are awake and were consumer rights may not hamper the profits of any company.

      Just imagine if consumer rights were more important and that a company like Apple could be given a warning about their habit to degrade the performance of their older product lines. Many iPhones are in a perfect condition but are crawling when the latest updates are applied. The only reason this is done is to force people to buy a new phone. Consumer rights could protect the consumers and demand from Apple to guarantee that the products keep running smoothly as long as they are still working in a technical point of view. Apples profits would be lower, and politicians would call it communism (which it is not).

    9. Re: Capitalism by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In Victorian times, you weren't really respectable unless you had a cabinet full of every imaginable sort of jam, jelly and marmalade. Often with specialized silverware to go with them. So Choice Overload is hardly anything new.

      A lot of the TFA "brand proliferation" is because before about 1930 or so, bakeries were local (when you didn't just bake at home). Roads weren't that great, transportation costs were high. No long-haul truckers, and probably the railroads weren't cost-effective for anything as cheap as bread. Now we may have lots of different brands, but many of them are from 6 states away or more.

      It's true. I read the other day that a grocery store circa 1960 carried about 7000 distinct products, versus about 40,000 in modern-day stores, including a lot of international imports like genuine D.O.P. Parmesan cheese for no more than $15/lb and often less.

      And it's true. I have myself been bewildered when confronting a new product that comes in a hundred different brands and varieties. Still, we manage to get by. If you need it bad enough, you'll eventually grab something and run.

    10. Re:Capitalism by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Russia was industrialized before the Communists. If they accelerated the process, the problem is that they also committed genocide in the process. Not just modern "faux genocide" but the real thing where body counts are in the millions and populations never quite recover.

      The change to communism really didn't alter the nature of Russian society as basically feudal. It just changed the identities of those in power. The same goes for post-communist Russia.

      No choices is a key feature of communism however. The central planning by people that think they are smarter than anyone else leads to the failure to address even basic hygiene.

      The "chaos and confusion" are a necessary consequence of an economic system that will actually meet all of your needs.

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    11. Re:Capitalism by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2

      Which monopolies exist without the force of law?

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    12. Re:Capitalism by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I have always assumed decisions were being made difficult on purpose just to exhaust the consumer into making more expensive choices.

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    13. Re:Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me, what it comes down to is this: "No"

      Too much choice isn't stressing me out because

      1) I understand that most things in life are bullshit, and don't matter

      2) I have only so many fucks to give ...combine 1 and 2 together =

      3) Very little stresses me out

    14. Re: Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The interesting part is when so many of those brands are owned by the same company, and the products are virtually identical - dog food is probably the worst offender but it happens in every isle

    15. Re:Capitalism by truck_soccer · · Score: 1

      I have a very similar mindset, however, I still get stressed out because there are very few people who think this way. People who think they can take their stuff with them when they're dead. Consumers. I never understood the drive in people to follow the herd. CONSUME. SPEND THE MAJORITY OF YOUR WAKING LIFE AWAY FROM FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN ORDER TO CONSUME MORE. OBEY. If I were a sheep, the shepherd would have killed and eaten me.

    16. Re: Capitalism by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Honestly, I think this "overload" idea is ridiculous. I *like* having lots of choices for jellies. At most grocery stores, all the regular jelly brands like Smucker's are nasty crap full of HFCS and just have poor taste and quality in general. (HFCS does that, it doesn't taste like regular sugar; HFCS soda similarly tastes crappy.) But when a big selection, I can find some high-quality alternative, usually from France. And these days, it doesn't even cost very much, maybe a dollar or two more than the shitty Smucker's. As for being "bewildered", it's not hard, just look over your choices and try one. If you were choosing a $30,000+ car, then yes, I can understand wanting to make sure you're not making a bad choice. But if you're getting a $4 jar of jelly, how bad can it be? (This is another reason to pay extra for the good stuff; it's very unlikely it'll be shitty, and it just isn't worth saving $1 for something like that and then not wanting to eat it later. And at least for me jelly isn't something I go through a lot of anyway, I might get one jar every few months.

    17. Re: Capitalism by PhotoJim · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And every aisle too. Not just on islands. :)

    18. Re: Capitalism by Zorpheus · · Score: 2

      Washing powder. Just look at the list of Procter & Gamble products: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    19. Re:Capitalism by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      How many poor buying choices have you made that truly caused you to throw it out and buy something else from that same company.

      You see so much passionate debate over if their Android or Apple smart phone is better, this debate isn't about any particular superiority over the other, but a relentless need to feel vindicated on your purchasing decision.

      However if I normally buy a product and I am not happy with it, I usually use it for a while, then when it is time to replace it I will not go with the same company.

      What I think causes more stress in the choice are people who give it false or unfair ratings on a product.

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    20. Re: Capitalism by vtcodger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I find that the only time choice is a problem is when all of the options presented to me are inadequate and I need to try to select the least bad. Happens a lot with computer stuff and when voting in general elections, not so much at the grocery store or hardware store.

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    21. Re:Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try capitalism at work - corporations buying each other up to form monopolies.

      I see that you're following the Goebbels school of propaganda here: if you repeat a lie often enough, people will start to believe it, right?

    22. Re:Capitalism by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      linux Oh, wait.

    23. Re: Capitalism by gnasher719 · · Score: 0

      So you don't really like having lots of choices for jellies. You like having _some_ good ones.

    24. Re:Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Which monopolies exist without the force of law?"

      Capitalism has never obeyed the law and was always lawless, this is ahistorical bullshit.

      First, you need to get up to speed on what has been going on... Our brains are much worse at reality and thinking than thought.

      Science on reasoning:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

      Next capitalism has always been lawless:

      Forced policy

      Protectionism for the rich and big business by state intervention, radical market interference.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHj2GaPuEhY#t=349

      From war is a racket:

      "I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil intersts in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."[p. 10]

      "War is a racket. ...It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives." [p. 23]

      "The general public shoulders the bill [for war]. This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations." [p. 24]

      General Butler is especially trenchant when he looks at post-war casualties. He writes with great emotion about the thousands of tramautized soldiers, many of who lose their minds and are penned like animals until they die, and he notes that in his time, returning veterans are three times more likely to die prematurely than those who stayed home.

      http://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Antiwar-Americas-Decorated/dp/0922915865/">War is a racket

    25. Re: Capitalism by sjames · · Score: 0

      Of course, many of those brands aren't distinct products. They're the same thing with a different label on them.

    26. Re: Capitalism by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Huh? With computers and voting (assuming you're in the US), these are excellent examples of places where there's too little choice. With computers, there's really only 3 OSes right now: Windows, MacOSX, and Linux, and of course those have about 93%, 6%, and 1% marketshare respectively. And it's worse: since you can't just run any software on any OS you please, application software constrains your choice greatly. So if you need to run some particular software package, you likely have only one choice.

      Voting is another good one: there just aren't that many people running for office, and our shitty voting system makes it so that it's really hard for any serious alternatives to run. There's only two major parties (two is not what I consider a lot of choice), and our shitty voting system makes it almost impossible for anyone outside those parties to win.

      Choice is a great thing. Lack of choice, or constraints on choices, are bad. Your examples fall into the latter category.

    27. Re: Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Growth has limits, an economics or higher level math class teaches this. Appears many capitalist missed these classes.

  2. Welcome to communism! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Choice getting you down? Are you paralyzed by the array of different breads available at the store? Well have I got the solution for you, friend: Bread Lines! Everyone waits in one long line, and you get handed bread. "What kind?" you ask? Sometimes it's rye, sometimes it's pumpernickel, sometimes it's nothing at all! The important thing is you don't have to worry. Let the State worry for you.

    1. Re:Welcome to communism! by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

      Freedom of meaningless choice.

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    2. Re:Welcome to communism! by willworkforbeer · · Score: 2

      Choice getting you down? Are you paralyzed by the array of different breads available at the store? Well have I got the solution for you, friend: Bread Lines! Everyone waits in one long line, and you get handed bread. "What kind?" you ask? Sometimes it's rye, sometimes it's pumpernickel, sometimes it's nothing at all! The important thing is you don't have to worry. Let the State worry for you.

      Psshh. You bread eaters sure do whine a lot. What with your warm social breadline networks, and your rotating flavors of bread. Show off.

      Now the starvation economy, there's where choice isn't a problem. http://www.ibtimes.com/amid-no...

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    3. Re:Welcome to communism! by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Reading that URL, it says "Kimg Jong Un-Orders Pig Farms" and that made me click through only to realize that Un was part of the name and not part of the verb.

    4. Re:Welcome to communism! by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      This was literally an objection that communism had to the west. Too many choices.

  3. Choice paralysis by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've noticed this when presenting too many options to a customer for a solution to a dilemma.

    Often, it seems what they really need is an informed third party to assist them in whittling down their options to a manageable choice threshold.

    Looking at you America: 30 types of jam, 60 fragrances of febreze, and still two political parties... See? They're keeping it simple for us.

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    1. Re:Choice paralysis by The-Ixian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At my place of employment we use what we call an executive summary.

      This summary lays out 3 options maximum even if there are many more.

      If the customer wants to then discuss and make changes, we are happy to go into the weeds at that point.

      We have learned that decision makers are generally not very good at decision making and less options lead to a sale more often.

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    2. Re:Choice paralysis by Xest · · Score: 1

      "I've noticed this when presenting too many options to a customer for a solution to a dilemma."

      Yes, not just customers, but even colleagues. I learnt this long ago in IT and development, if there are multiple compromise solutions to a problem that a decision maker needs to give the go ahead and sign off to on solving, then just present them with the single one that most suits you or that you feel best suits the business. Only offer alternatives if asked, otherwise you're just asking for pointless meetings, probably only to end up that the choice you would've presented in isolation in the first place anyway.

      Most people wont care if there are multiple alternative choices if the one you chose got the job done well enough and you'll be far more respected if you focus on getting the job done this way rather than spending half your life being stuck in unproductive meetings about a problem and do very little productive work as a result.

    3. Re:Choice paralysis by metlin · · Score: 1

      Two political parties are a sign of a mature democracy.

      Look up Anthony Down's median voter theorem.

    4. Re:Choice paralysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bad example... Americans are happier with jam and Febreeze than they are with their Gov't.

    5. Re:Choice paralysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Redux. Been there done that, about 40 years ago, a book called "Future Shock". They even made a little movie that was shown to us in high school.

    6. Re:Choice paralysis by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Two political parties are a sign of a mature democracy.

      Look up Anthony Down's median voter theorem.

      I wouldn't call it a sign of a mature democracy(in fact, in that article, "democracy" only shows up in book/article titles). Two political parties is instead the ultimate result of a "first past the post" system. It is assumed that the 2 parties will centralize themselves in order to garner as much support as possible. Unfortunately with the way primaries work in the US, it seems that our 2 parties seems to gravitate towards the fringes of their respective party as those are the ones who control the primaries. This feeds into the extremely adversarial nature of our current political environment.

      I much rather prefer proportional representation, specifically single transferable vote (STV). You can vote for your party's supplied preference list or rank your own preferences, and with minimum vote thresholds it reduces the power of fringe groups. Of course, this would not really work for executive elections, but it works very well for legislative elections and generally leads to coalition governments which would be much more preferable than having 2 parties who simply refuse to work together.

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    7. Re:Choice paralysis by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      At my place of employment we use what we call an executive summary.

      This summary lays out 3 options maximum even if there are many more.

      Is that because the executives can only count to three?

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    8. Re:Choice paralysis by metlin · · Score: 1

      It may be what you prefer, but empirical studies of choice have shown that most people's choices fall along a median, and success is often the result of trying to accommodate one side of the median and most of the median.

      It's the same with consumer products, and it's the same with elections.

      All systems lean towards simplicity, and the more mature a system is (i.e., it's been around for longer), the more strong parties coalesce towards the median.

    9. Re:Choice paralysis by metlin · · Score: 1

      Also wanted to add that co-opting the fringe primarily seems to be happening with one party (i.e., the GOP), and that is reflected in the election results.

      However, please bear in mind that in terms of political views, the US is also more conservative than the rest of western society.

      What is considered left in the US would be considered pretty moderate or even center-right in many parts of the world.

      In may ways, co-opting the extreme right (e.g., the tea party) and some of the libertarian values reflect this reality.

    10. Re:Choice paralysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, what they need to stop is to stop snorting cocaine and decide what their goals are instead of changing direction every 5 minutes.

    11. Re:Choice paralysis by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      It may be what you prefer, but empirical studies of choice have shown that most people's choices fall along a median, and success is often the result of trying to accommodate one side of the median and most of the median.

      I agree that in general this is what happens, I am just saying that in the particular case I was referring to (American domestic politics), the median position is not being represented. The greatest contributor to that problem is not the system itself, but rather the actors within the system (ie, the parties). The economic brinkmanship, the grandstanding, the us-vs-them mentality, it's all hurting the one role of government, which is to govern. At this point both parties see getting elected as a "mandate" to enact their policies while the now-minority party just tries to block everything they can to use that in the next election. Beyond a very limited number of issues compromise is gone from the legislative branch; the only tactic employed now is to try and get a veto-overriding majority to ram policies down the throat of the other side. By using PR/STV, the number of people who vote based on single-issue platforms (and let's be honest, there are a lot of those) and those who are just fed up with the lack of representation for their own choices actually have a chance at effectively getting representation in the government due to the inevitable need for a coalition. And a coalition would have to pass legislation that has much broader support (due to the need to maintain support of the members) and would more likely resemble the true median as opposed to what party leadership thinks will motivate their base for the next election.

      Now, bear in mind I am not an Americanist (those people were weird), my department skewed heavily towards IR (me) and comparative, so I am basing this on what little exposure to Americanist and comparative theory I had, my own observations, and my knowledge of US history. So there could certainly be some gaps, especially when it comes to theory because I was always more interested in what works in practice and I never subscribed to a particular school of thought (would that make me a theorectical nihilist?)

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    12. Re:Choice paralysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are oversimplifying, and off by more than 90 degrees.
      The left-right axes for political description are always suspect. Even a Pournelle Chart is too simple.

      In this case, you've ignored the fact the left-right issues in the US are very different than the left-right issues in Europe. In Europe, for example, nationalism is seen as a "right-wing" political feature. In the United States, it is present across all parties. On the other hand, in the United States statism is a major left-right issue, while in Europe the power of the state is always assumed across all parties.

      Trying to compare different countries that use different definitions is not possible. You'd have better luck comparing qubiqs and sligums.

    13. Re:Choice paralysis by ajzimm3rman · · Score: 0

      There are a lot of reasons for our political dichotomy. Blame it on the Civil war. You know which side owned slaves right?

    14. Re:Choice paralysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can actually count to four; anything past that just becomes 'hrair'.

  4. Jup... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but Mozilla is working hard to change that...

  5. Too many choices is an artificial problem by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whenever we don't have many choice, for example: High Speed Internet and Cable TV, is a virtual monopoly or duopoly.

    We get gouged on pricing, and shoddy service.

    1. Re:Too many choices is an artificial problem by Ranbot · · Score: 1

      Similarly there are times when some "choice paralysis" can help me from making bad impulse buys, because in the time it takes to look at options I slow down and think more about why I'm considering the purchase and if I really need that thing. Depending on the situation, impulsive buying can be equally bad as not buying.

    2. Re:Too many choices is an artificial problem by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Ah but you have many choices! You can get xfinity Economy Plus, xfinity Internet Plus, xfinity Internet Plus w/ Blast(tm), xfinity Performance, xfinity Extreme 105, and xfinity Blast!(tm).

      (This is a real list, I just got it by visiting http://www.xfinity.com/interne... - you'll see a list based upon where Comcast thinks your IP address is located)

      I suspect this is the list of choices the article is actually talking about. Mix this with cellphone plans (at least those have been simplified lately I guess), and you start to understand where the problem is.

      Me? The worst selection I have to pick from every year are our healthcare plans. My company offers something like six or seven. All you have to do to determine which is the best deal is to build a time machine, determine what healthcare issues you'll have in the following 12 months, and then pick the plan accordingly.

      Why doesn't the US have single payer healthcare again? Oh yeah, noun, verb, tyranny. (Hey, Obama and Pelosi, remember when you refused to consider single payer in your so-called Heathcare Reform because you didn't want to freak out the right wing and have them calling your plan a government takeover of healthcare, or tyranny, or....? About that...)

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    3. Re:Too many choices is an artificial problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a sense yes. Many of the choices you see in the grocery store are traced to just a handful of conglomerates. Some people seem to be happy with an artificial overload of choices that masks the underlaying oligopoly, ponder carefully if you are one of them.

    4. Re:Too many choices is an artificial problem by ajzimm3rman · · Score: 0

      True dat. If our local and state governments allowed for competition that wouldn't be an issue would it?

    5. Re:Too many choices is an artificial problem by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Is too much choice stressing me out? Yes, or no? Or perhaps maybe, or a little, or a lot? Arghhh, I can't decide!!!

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    6. Re:Too many choices is an artificial problem by vandamme · · Score: 1

      How about one choice of Windows on your computer?

      Or 200 different distros of Linux?

    7. Re:Too many choices is an artificial problem by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Ah but you have many choices! You can get xfinity Economy Plus, xfinity Internet Plus, xfinity Internet Plus w/ Blast(tm), xfinity Performance, xfinity Extreme 105, and xfinity Blast!(tm).

      These aren't true choices though. You are presented some "options" from Bad to Best designed to maximize how much you the average person will end up paying.

      If there were more choices in ISPs and Cable providers, then this kind of chicanery would not exist. There would likely be a 'Lite' package and a 'Big' package.

      It's like at the movie theatre... do you want the Small Popcorn, Medium, Large, X-Large, or X-Large Plus ?

      You're only really meant to pick Medium or X-Large, however; the other options are there to intentionally confuse you.

  6. No. You only have to choose once by HalAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And then you develop what's called a "preference". There's also this social thing called "word of mouth" that you can use to communicate benefits. Also, stores/shops usually carry a selection, not a complete catalog of everything on the planet.

    Choice is good, and the good news is you're not locked in. If you don't like it, you can try again the next time, and maybe even get a reimbursement from a quality guarantee, many products have this. If you just don't have the time to get informed and need to make a rush decision, there are even many review sites that offer a meta score and you can just pick something from the top of the list and get a quick bluirb that will give you a bearing.

    Or just go with your gut.

    1. Re:No. You only have to choose once by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think that what most people lack is patience.

      I love having a ton of selection when it comes to consumables like food. I will select something different every time I go to the grocery or liquor store.

      When buying stuff like computers though, it can be a hassle because I have to actually put thought and research time into it. :)

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    2. Re:No. You only have to choose once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never really understood what's so bad about being able to eat a different kind of jam every week of the year.
      If you don't like choice, pick the top-left jar. There. Don't make my life more boring just because you're too stupid or too weak to cope with your issues.

  7. choices in jam (and other things) by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, I can get by just fine with three choices in jam.

    Most everyone I know can manage with three to four choices in jam.

    But they're not the SAME three to four choices!

    So by the time your grocery is stocking everyone's three to four choices, it has 100 or so different things on the shelf.

    Ditto bread, meat, veggies, soap, shampoo, etc.

    IOW, a large number of choices isn't a bad thing. Unless you're just too stupid to be allowed to make choices in the first place....

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    1. Re:choices in jam (and other things) by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I remember reading something like this and jam was one of the examples given.

      It was in The Economist, I think. About five years ago.

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    2. Re:choices in jam (and other things) by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      And it doesn't really matter if you have 33 choices of jam, it's not stressing, it's actually a relief.

      The stressful choices are when you must pick one of a number of alternatives in a limited timeframe - which way shall I drive to work, where shall I park my car when shopping etc. Things where you don't have full control.

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    3. Re:choices in jam (and other things) by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "a large number of choices isn't a bad thing."

      You can't refute the observable results of actual choice paralysis experiments by saying "nah".

    4. Re:choices in jam (and other things) by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      You can't refute the observable results of actual choice paralysis experiments by saying "nah".

      So, your argument is that experiments have shown that people get nervous when presented with a lot of choices, therefore we should eliminate as many unnecessary choices as possible?

      So, only one model of car should be made in the world? And all houses should be just alike? And mustn't forget "All restaurants are Taco Bell" - we wouldn't want people to have to be put through unnecessary choices, now, would we?

      My wife, by the way, has anxiety issues. Not quite to the point of a mental disorder (or maybe just the far side of "not quite"), but she has problems making decisions (she calls it decidophobia). She also tells me it's well known that people with that sort of mental issues exist, but that trying to treat everyone as if they have that sort of issue is a bad idea....

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    5. Re:choices in jam (and other things) by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      The stressful choices are when you must pick one of a number of alternatives in a limited timeframe

      Bull. My time is precious. I'm not going to devote five hours to jam optimization, It's not limited by external factors, but by my patience.

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    6. Re:choices in jam (and other things) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you can't make a jam choice in under 10 seconds, how do you expect to function at a job where choices could mean a matter of millions of dollars, hundreds of jobs or even life or death decisions?

      No wonder millenials are having a difficult time. By the time you graduate from high school, you should already know the types of food you do or don't like. You only have to read the labels once.

    7. Re:choices in jam (and other things) by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I've heard north korea only has one haircut.

    8. Re:choices in jam (and other things) by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      There are various interpretations on the sentence - "You can't refute the observable results of actual choice paralysis experiments by saying "nah" "

      Are you unable to see the other choices of interpretations? Or you just prefer to goad the other into your straw man because you know how to deal with this straw man?

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    9. Re:choices in jam (and other things) by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "So, your argument is that experiments have shown that people get nervous when presented with a lot of choices, therefore we should eliminate as many unnecessary choices as possible"

      I will thank you to note that I have made no argument at all about the proper number of choices, which makes your assertion that I have done so a LIE.

      I will also thank you to note that I made no suggestion that all people should be treated as if they had an anxiety issue. I acknowledge that you did not directly claim I had made such a suggestion, only implied it, however I had not mentioned anxiety issues at all so the problem is still with your rhetorical failings.

  8. Big difference. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a HUGE difference between "30 types of jam" and "over 150 different pension plans".

    At the most basic level, you will know that you picked the "wrong" jam in the near future and still be able to get a different one.

    With a pension plan you won't really know until it is too late and you won't have any option.

    Which is why most of us do NOT have a problem picking up a loaf of bread and a jar of jam.

    1. Re:Big difference. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      One thing always seems for sure; there are ALWAYS one or two really bad things in every option.

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  9. The blindingly obvious by shilly · · Score: 1

    Well, duh. This is kind of the entire design philosophy of Apple: a few understandable choices, not endless suggestions. It is the foundation-stone of thousands of flamewars on Slashdot about this approach vs providing more options for power-users.

    1. Re: The blindingly obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's the same reason I've never owned an apple product. Let me replace my battery myself, for instance.

    2. Re:The blindingly obvious by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think that this is the main reason that Apple is doing so well. People understand exactly what they are getting when they choose an Apple product. You want a phone, You get to choose from 1 of 2 screen sizes, and 3-4 options for the amount of storage. That's a very easy decision to make. Same goes for their laptops. You get to choose ultra-thin or regular, then you get a few different options for screen size, and then you get 2 or 3 options that actually affect performance. Compare this to going to Dell, Lenovo, or HP. Whereas Apple might give you 10 options in total. The other guys will have 50 or more options to choose from.

      Don't believe it's really that many, I just went to Dell's site. they have 3 lines for home use, without even getting into chrome books, they are Inspiron, XPS, and Alienware.

      Inspiron has 3000, 5000, and 7000 series. Each of those has 4 different screen sizes. Each of those 4 screen sizes has on average 3 different performance/spec options. So, just from the Inspiron line, we have 3x4x3 options to choose from. That's 36 options. Alienware is a little more sane at only 16 options total, and XPS has 8 additional options.

      That's a total of 60 options. And that's only looking at the "home" oriented laptops. I didn't dig down, but from the looks of it, there's even more choice in there. There is probably at least over 100 laptops to choose from when getting a Dell.

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    3. Re: The blindingly obvious by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Correct. So the kind of little Nestor who fears being different can buy this year's Apple laptop and not worry about making the grave mistake of buying the "wrong" computer and facing the scorn of his social peers. There is even a feeling of membership in owning the Apple e-meter. To do otherwise would risk having the label "unmutual" cast upon one.

    4. Re: The blindingly obvious by blackbeak · · Score: 1

      And it's the same reason I've never owned an apple product...

      What, no apple jelly?!

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    5. Re:The blindingly obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the reason Apple is doing so well is because they're the only company to care about the 16:10 ratio on their laptops and don't give a crap about 16:9 aka movie screens.

    6. Re:The blindingly obvious by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Apple does "so well" because they gouge the drooling mouth breathers. The only do "so well" by one particular metric that fanboys like to fixate on once all other metrics don't pan out.

      In truth, Apple is a niche player and a small minority of the market.

      They can "create a market" and still end up on the bottom once any sort of competition moves in.

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    7. Re:The blindingly obvious by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Basically Apple is the convenience store of technology. It is the choice to go to so you will be assured it will work in a certain way and you won't be overwhelmed with options.... but you will pay the price that always comes with convenience.

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    8. Re:The blindingly obvious by psm321 · · Score: 1

      And this is why I buy Dell laptops. And would be incredibly stressed out if I didn't have that option. I like particular things. I already know I like them. I've tried the alternatives -- and I don't like them. Other people like different things. If someone only wants to give me a few choices they have to pick some things I don't like. That's what I hate about this "too much choice" meme. It fails to account for the fact that while it may be true for _some_ people that too much choice stresses them out, others don't mind the choice and are stressed out by not having the _right_ choice available. Other comments here have rightly pointed out that people who don't want to think about it can just go pick the top ranked items, and pretend those are their only choices.

    9. Re:The blindingly obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I generally agree with you, they are not a niche player in the mobile phone market. They are dominating.

      Also, for people who need a Unix shell + standard software, Mac is pretty much the only option. That is a niche though.

    10. Re: The blindingly obvious by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Correct. So the kind of little Nestor who fears being different can buy this year's Apple laptop and not worry about making the grave mistake of buying the "wrong" computer and facing the scorn of his social peers. There is even a feeling of membership in owning the Apple e-meter. To do otherwise would risk having the label "unmutual" cast upon one.

      Yeah, you buy the computer brand that 5 percent of the population buy to be accepted...

      Everyone else is selling crap because the public cannot possibly find any difference between two Windows computers other than price, so everyone builds the cheapest computer possible which means it is crap. They can try building good expensive computers but nobody buys them because the customer isn't able to judge which computer is expensive and good and which is expensive and crap, so they rather buy something that is cheap and crap.

      And Apple managed to think different and keep their prices high because their computers are _different_.

      But the problem of choice, which you are not nearly smart enough to understand until it is properly explained, is that lots of choice makes it difficult to impossible to make the best possible choice. I can pick the best out of two or three jams. Nobody can pick the best out of 30 jams. So the customer with a choice of three goes home happily with the best available jam in his shopping bag, while the customer with a choice of 30 couldn't find the best one, would be unhappy with the possibility of buying the second best, and leaves without anything. Lots of choice makes it hard to make the best decision.

    11. Re:The blindingly obvious by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      In truth, Apple is a niche player and a small minority of the market.

      You keep on believing that. Apple builds about 7 percent of the worlds computers, makes about 20 percent of the revenue, and far beyond half the world wide profits from selling computer hardware.

    12. Re:The blindingly obvious by Dadoo · · Score: 1

      So, just from the Inspiron line, we have 3x4x3 options to choose from. That's 36 options. Alienware is a little more sane at only 16 options total, and XPS has 8 additional options.

      The problem is not too much choice, but that none of the choices is exactly what you want; or you can find exactly what you want, but you can't afford it. In my experience, this is true for most things, and technology, especially.

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    13. Re: The blindingly obvious by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Apple's computers aren't so much 'different' as they are 'separate.' They do all the same stuff, but are removed just enough from the mainstream to make their users feel 'special.'

    14. Re:The blindingly obvious by vandamme · · Score: 1

      And yet the one choice I want, one with a decent distro of Linux, is extremely hard to find.

  10. I disagree with the premise by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...In worrying about finding the best choice, they accidentally pick what is by far the worst: nothing....

    What is "accidental" and "worst" about picking nothing. To me that means that the person didn't really want/need the item in the first place, and the plethora of choices led the person to make the correct choice, ie., nothing.

    1. Re:I disagree with the premise by willworkforbeer · · Score: 1

      What is "accidental" and "worst" about picking nothing. To me that means that the person didn't really want/need the item in the first place, and the plethora of choices led the person to make the correct choice, ie., nothing.

      I think picking no retirement option is a sign of being overwhelmed, i.e., "choice paralysis," not a sign that, "after careful consideration, none of these 150 plans are mathematically better than not saving for retirement at all."

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    2. Re:I disagree with the premise by RuffMasterD · · Score: 5, Funny

      The sheer number of comments to this story stressed me so much that I couldn't decide where to spend my moderator points. So I left a comment here instead. You're welcome.

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    3. Re:I disagree with the premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...After careful consideration, none of the 150 plans are mathematically better than not buying a shit plan I have no control over. Remember all that retirement money that went missing with the housing bubble? All the funds invested in those "triple A" derivatives? The dotcom crunch, the S&L scandal before that, Enron, every ponzi scheme ever.

      Don't think these plans are in any way SAFE or SOUND investments for your future. Just like every other hustle: Don't Play unless you are running the game.

    4. Re:I disagree with the premise by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I disagree also, based on observation: the worst consumer experiences most of us have are in situations where we have NO choice. Examples are airlines, cable service, and pharma.

    5. Re:I disagree with the premise by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      "after careful consideration, none of these 150 plans are mathematically better than not saving for retirement at all."

      Honestly when I read that I think "most people do not understand mutual funds, and are unable to make sense of even one plan". And there's really no shame in that, while it is easy to understand once you have the knowledge, it's not easy to get that knowledge and there are trust issues.

      Fortunately I work for a place that offers free training on how to evaluate mutual funds, from a company that is forbidden from recommending anything at all, and how to comb through dozens to find one that meets my needs. I really can comb through 150 and most assuredly cannot make the optimal choice (no one can, or all fund managers would do it and we'd have maybe 9 funds) but certainly can narrow down the search to plans which meet my targets & timelines, and then start comparing them for what I think will work best for me. But to do that you have to know how to read the reports (i.e. morningstar, etc.), how to understand the ratings, what things to look for, etc. If you have that knowledge, you can easily handle 150 choices.

      I just don't think most people understand money that well, most of us did not go to school for accounting and finance, and find all of that stuff baffling. It doesn't help that they have multiple words that mean the same things, while the same word may have vastly different meanings in different contexts, and you will never get an answer to your question in your own words... more or less like a politician. What people need is an academic foundation in the subject that will help them see through the bullshit. It takes maybe a week to get a full background (not just of funds, but tax implications, investing strategies, etc.) but it's time well spent. Then you will want the choices, as many as you can have.

    6. Re:I disagree with the premise by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      I just don't think most people understand money that well, most of us did not go to school for accounting and finance, and find all of that stuff baffling. It doesn't help that they have multiple words that mean the same things, while the same word may have vastly different meanings in different contexts, and you will never get an answer to your question in your own words...

      I wonder if that is done by purpose. This kind of stuff should be taught in public schools, however, it is not so most people become slaved to debt. In other words, you can't rule an educated population.

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    7. Re:I disagree with the premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is "accidental" and "worst" about picking nothing. To me that means that the person didn't really want/need the item in the first place, and the plethora of choices led the person to make the correct choice, ie., nothing.

      There's a huge TV opportunity here, perhaps a new Law And Order SCU (Stressful Choices Unit) series. The detectives will find victims, sometimes even entire families, dead from starvation because they couldn't decide which foods to buy due to a paralyzing array of options. Then they try to prosecute grocers and meat/vegetable packagers on behalf of the victims. Not the best idea, but probably good enough for a half dozen seasons of typical network TV material. Imagine the chilling 911 calls: "They have reduced sugar peanut butter now...reduced sugar! PLEASE HELP US!!!" Of course, the next commercial break will present the sweet irony of an ad for Baskin Robbins multitude of flavors...

      - T

  11. False logic by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    The basic example argument here is that having a choice of 150 pension plans and not choosing any is bad?

    Except ... when the company providing those plans fails and takes all your money with it ... in which case, picking any plan BUT none, is a bad idea.

    Your pension plan example is a prime one for me to pick apart because of the shear number of companies that fail leaving their customers screwed out of large sums of money.

    Choice paralysis is not because there are too many choices, its because people don't give a shit. Too many choices just exaggerates the problem, but it doesn't create it.

    Current generations are spoiled brats who expect someone else to make all the choices for them. They are exactly the drones that the governments want to control, unquestioning morons who follow whatever advice their elders give them, or someone else decides.

    But hey, go ahead and pick some other bullshit reason for it happening instead of focusing on the actual problem: We're raising a bunch of kids who can't be bothered to take care of their own responsibilities.

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    1. Re:False logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the shear number of companies that fail

      Nice Prandtlian slip.

    2. Re:False logic by willworkforbeer · · Score: 1

      The basic example argument here is that having a choice of 150 pension plans and not choosing any is bad?

      Except ... when the company providing those plans fails and takes all your money with it ... in which case, picking any plan BUT none, is a bad idea..

      There may be some rare instance where a company offers 150 universally bad options, but IME at least one is a simple match that goes into an index. Even if some crazy fund returns zero percent after fees, saving up principal is better than saving nothing for retirement.

      I think the general point of TFA is that on average holding other factors constant (and not the edge case of 150 ripoff-only principal-stealing options) it is a matter of people can't hold 150 options in their minds all at once for comparison.

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    3. Re: False logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't take care of their responsibilities? That sounds more like your generation actually. The "want it all but don't want to pay" boomers. Things are already ruined and their immediate response is blame their kids to try to acquit themselves.

    4. Re:False logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saw a study, don't remember where - but employees participated more in pension plans offered by a company when there were fewer choices.

    5. Re:False logic by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      If you're trying to hold 150 options in your head at once then you're doing it wrong. Basically you don't know how to think. Either you were born defective or the educational system beat it out of you or perhaps a little bit of both.

      Of course an effective educational system is the LAST thing American oligarchs want. General numeracy would cause the current consumer culture to implode.

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    6. Re:False logic by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      having a choice of 150 pension plans

      Here in America, you are lucky to get a choice of ONE pension plan. And you take it and consider yourself really lucky. Most of us get offered a 401(k) plan, from which we can choose from 5-100 mutual funds of various types. I think this is the confusion.

      when the company providing those plans fails and takes all your money with it

      A pension perhaps, I'm unfamiliar with the concept, although I think there are now rules around them to prevent that, which is also why they're so rare. I am probably wrong. I will never have the option for a pension.

      But with 401(k) that does not happen. I have been in a company that failed, and I took my 401(k) and rolled it over, I lost nothing. That shouldn't be a fear, 401(k) is YOUR money, IRAs are YOUR money. The funds you invest in may lose money, that's on you, but your employer is just a proxy. If and when they fail, you get whatever you had on account out. Definitely this is not a good concern, a good concern is losing your money on a bad fund.

      Choice paralysis is not because there are too many choices, its because people don't give a shit

      I don't know many people who don't give a shit about money. I know a lot of people who simply don't understand it.

      Current generations are spoiled brats who expect someone else to make all the choices for them.

      No, we're the first generation in a long time where all options aren't obvious winners, the boom is over. Our parents had to worry about very little and did not need to develop the tools to make good choices, they did not have to. They had very little to pass on to our generation, and now we're struggling. When it comes to finance, we normally don't have the money to invest until we're relatively old, and we don't have the tools to make good decisions. We're entirely rational, but ignorant. We do not know what choice to make, but we realize we have everything to lose. You see we care a lot about money, but we believe money in hand is safer than money in someone else's hand (provably false), and perhaps that everyone is out to get us. In this framework, doing nothing makes absolute sense. Except it is wrong, holding cash on hand is definitely not the best choice beyond a certain point.

      We're raising a bunch of kids who can't be bothered to take care of their own responsibilities.

      Lazy, irrational, thinking couched in a broken outlook that being insulting and condescending will somehow address a problem.

  12. Low expectations? by HalAtWork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have this friend that believes he'll never be disappointed if he just thinks the worst is going to happen at any given moment. Cynical as fuck but swears he is constantly pleasantly surprised. This just sounds like a fucked up way to live. Imagine the fear that must rule you if you need to go around expecting the lowest lows in order to be happy.

    I don't think low expectations are the way to go, personally. Maybe don't expect anything at all either way. Stop trying to predict and frame everything. Stop managing your expectations altogether and just live in the moment. Focus on what you're doing now and try to get the most out of it. If you're letting bad jam bring you down then you need to step back and calm down. Forget the jam and read a book or start a new hobby.

    1. Re:Low expectations? by willworkforbeer · · Score: 1

      I have this friend that believes he'll never be disappointed if he just thinks the worst is going to happen at any given moment.

      So, he codes in Perl?

      (whispers 'sorry' from under table)

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    2. Re:Low expectations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Imagine the fear that must rule you if you need to go around expecting the lowest lows in order to be happy.

      You totally don't understand. There isn't any fear, because you have already accepted the worst. You're already a dead man, soldier.

      Now every day is a gift, gratefully enjoyed.

    3. Re:Low expectations? by khallow · · Score: 1

      I totally expected that.

    4. Re:Low expectations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accepted something terrible that isn't true, so you pretty much have the mentality of constantly feeling defeated deep down. That's not a good underlying structure on which to build a base.

  13. Small town life by ewg · · Score: 1

    Small town life supports his argument. With fewer choices, you know them all well, don't worry you're missing options, and are reasonably certain no new options will appear after you make a decision. Result contentment.

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    1. Re:Small town life by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 1

      Small town life supports his argument. With fewer choices, you know them all well, don't worry you're missing options, and are reasonably certain no new options will appear after you make a decision. Result contentment.

      This is an understandable viewpoint, there is a certain undeniable charm or quaintness to living in a small town away from all of the stress. However let's compare that to life in the city; hundreds of choices, in fact far too many for any single person to explore in just their own time on this planet. Don't dwell about the best course of action or panic about potential regrets before you've even done anything, just pick a direction and start running. Learn from your mistakes but don't ever get stuck in the past. Failure is not an option it's an inevitability, entropy is the only constant in this universe so learn to mitigate the damage and adjust your path accordingly. And if you ever fall so hard that you truly cannot get back up and keep playing that game of games, then make sure that quiet little rural life is still there waiting for you. Result: true_happiness > mere_contentment.

  14. The One True Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the One True Linux to free me from the burden of too many choices. Stop letting me decide what is right for me, what best fits my needs; just give me the final solution.

  15. Barry Schwartz is a dunce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    has been advocating for less choice, and offers this suggestion: "The secret to happiness is low expectations."

    Fuck that and fuck you. That attitude has given us Gnome3 and systemd. Not everyone fits into the same mold.

  16. Shampoo by McGregorMortis · · Score: 1

    When I was kid in the 70s and 80s, there was regular shampoo. Or, if you had money, you could buy the expensive "Pantene" shampoo.

    Today, when you go to the store, they have an entire shelf dedicated to Pantene shampoos. The Pantene website lists no less than 25 different shampoos. Anti-breakage. Colour-preserve. Heat-shield. Sheer volume. Damage Detox Deep Cleanse Purifying Shampoo.

    The actual differences between the formulas must be soooo tiny. Maybe no difference at all.

    And then add another 15 2-in-1 shampoo/conditioners on top of that.

    1. Re:Shampoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I lost my hair decades ago, you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:Shampoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a result of choosing the wrong shampoo no doubt.

    3. Re:Shampoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First world problems baby.

    4. Re:Shampoo by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      Sounds like you weren't using the right shampoo...

      You chose.....unwisely.

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    5. Re:Shampoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't that the entire point of the article.

    6. Re:Shampoo by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      "You people are too rich. You need to live more like the starving people in Africa."

      -- The communist professor

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    7. Re:Shampoo by KatchooNJ · · Score: 1

      As a result of choosing the wrong shampoo no doubt.

      Or maybe by using TOO MUCH shampoo! If you follow the directions on the bottle as they are written, you will empty the bottle:

      LATHER, RINSE, REPEAT!

      Genius!

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    8. Re:Shampoo by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      You joke, but I know someone who grew up communist who is exactly like this 100%.

    9. Re:Shampoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Bone fragments, grey matter and blood splattered about behind the desk"

      -- The liberty minded political prisoner

      Violence works. That is why governments want to retain a monopoly on it.

  17. I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it's more that over 90% of the products don't meet our needs. In the case of jam, I would love to find one with reduced sugar - but not with fake sugar! Good luck finding that. In my experience with food shopping I largely find most products don't suit my needs nor expectations.

    1. Re:I disagree by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Smuckers makes that in the US. It's "Low Sugar" on a big yellow ribbon. I find that the strawberry preserves are just the right level of sweetness.

  18. Orwell was right by mattdunelm · · Score: 1

    Freedom is indeed slavery.

    1. Re:Orwell was right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forever War is most definitely our peace plan.

  19. The secret to happiness is low expectations by UncleWilly · · Score: 1

    This was my Mantra even before I was married, 30+ years ago. Take holidays. My wife has this Disney-esque image of how it will be. Mine is more like a bad, indie short. I am never disappointed or surprised.

    1. Re:The secret to happiness is low expectations by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Funny

      This was my Mantra even before I was married, 30+ years ago. Take holidays. My wife has this Disney-esque image of how it will be. Mine is more like a bad, indie short. I am never disappointed or surprised.

      I always say if you aim for the trees and miss, you have a lot less far to fall than if you aimed for the stars.

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      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    2. Re:The secret to happiness is low expectations by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I don't know that low expectations are the key.

      This philosophy definitely works for movies but not for life in general.

      I think the way to go is not to assume things are going to go a particular way and just go with the flow....

      You must bend like a reed in the wind...

      --
      My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
    3. Re:The secret to happiness is low expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always say if you aim for the trees and succeed, congratulations now you're stuck in a tree.

    4. Re:The secret to happiness is low expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the way to go is not to assume things are going to go a particular way and just go with the flow....

      So low expectations then. Expecting the worst is really a high expectation.

  20. porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The biggest problem is choosing the right video for play time. A task that used to take mere minutes can now take up to hours. Damn you internet. Captcha: puberty

  21. i'd say the secret to happiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is reasonable expectations... but i'm no psychologist so no-one will consider it...

  22. Re:False logic...Speaking of stress... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your post contains the letters "r","a","p" and "e" which just triggered me again.

    Please refrain from such microaggressions in the future!!!

  23. Futureshock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alvin Toffler wrote about "overchoice" in his 1970's book Future Shock. I guess no one read it.

    1. Re:Futureshock by willworkforbeer · · Score: 1

      Alvin Toffler wrote about "overchoice" in his 1970's book Future Shock. I guess no one read it.

      Sorry. With so many book options on the shelf... well, you know...

      --
      Pretending this is my office full of bitter coworkers..
  24. Netflix just launched here in Europe... by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

    ...and as soon as I turned it on, I realized that I not only had 200 cable channels to chose before, but now I also have on demand content that would fill a lifetime in front of tv only for my top 3 genres. Then I remembered they have a great recommendation engine that will feed me the best of what I really like, giving me some comfort, and saving me that lifetime.

    Bottomline is: we shouldn't worry with too much choice - we should worry about the quality of the choices we have, and the quality of the choices MADE FOR US, that don't originate in ourselves. Having few choice is a subset of the environment making a choice for you, the only option left being to accept or not that choice (chosing "nothing" as the OP says). This curation has been the past, present and will stay the future basis of human society as a whole: it is, for example, what a government does for you after you elect it, or what newspaper editors, television/radio programming managers' work is all about. This article states choosing nothing is the worst choice and a consequence of having a lot of choices (only partially true, i.e. a BAD ASSUMPTION). I say having a lot of choices with different characteristics makes you chose "nothing" a lot more easier (because you value things by what they are rather than everybody using them), which is always good when you consider you have limited time in this earth to make use of your life choices. One obvious case of when this is bad, for example, for companies, is when your business model is based on using something rather than paying for the curation itself. Competition is the best thing about capitalism. It is the essence of freedom applied to organizations. But I believe if there's something clearly valuable by itself, it will always stand out, reducing this problem to peanuts.

  25. Perfectly Explained by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the best explanation of how wives and husbands view holidays I've ever seen. Your sentiment and explanation gives words to how I've felt for years. My wife thinks I'm insensitive and don't care. Nothing could be further from the truth, but she grew up in one state and I grew up traveling the world. I'm jaded. What can I say. It takes more than the usual to get me to sit up and take notice.

    Thank you for your great comment.

  26. False choices vs real choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 100+ jams are likely made by a handful of oligopoly food companies.

    The 100+ retirement plans are likely all investment schemes tied to the same market & macro environments.

    Have you had those choices to begin with?

  27. Is too many choices stressing us out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes, absolutely!

  28. Ironic on Back To The Future day! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was news way back in 2007:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6XEQIsCoM

    Uploaded on Jan 16, 2007
    http://www.ted.com Psychologist Barry Schwartz takes aim at a central tenet of western societies: freedom of choice. In Schwartz's estimation, choice has made us not freer but more paralyzed, not happier but more dissatisfied.

  29. AKA Decision Fatugue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've know about "decision fatigue" for years, and like Steve Jobs and others, I do my best to not worry about the small, inconsequential things like clothing, food, shampoo, etc.

    What I've done:

    - All my jeans are 501s because they fit me best
    - All my trainers are black and grey Asics
    - All of my shirts are Nautica button-down slim fit longsleeves (rolled up in summer)
    - I buy the same Suave 2-in1 shampoo/conditioner
    - I buy the same Old Spice Fresh anti-persperant
    - All of my socks are black Champion socks from Walmart
    - All of my skivvies are Hanes grey tagless

    Needless to say, I never worry about my clothes feeling ill fitting. I look different every day, but the fit is identical and comforting, allowing me to never think of it and worry about solving problems.

    Anything else doesn't get my attention.

  30. Low Expectations?! by KatchooNJ · · Score: 1

    "The secret to happiness is low expectations."

    That should be a bumper sticker. O_o

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    "Never give up, for that is just the time and place when the tide will change." -Harriet Beecher Stowe ^_^
    1. Re:Low Expectations?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Went to CafePress to look for that.

      "Find 1000s+ of Bumper Stickers & Car Decals. Tons of designs available, or personalize your own! Single & bulk orders."

      Got confused. Left feeling sad.

    2. Re:Low Expectations?! by KatchooNJ · · Score: 1

      You let your expectations to get to you. Poor soul.

      --
      "Never give up, for that is just the time and place when the tide will change." -Harriet Beecher Stowe ^_^
  31. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is not the amount of choice that is freaking us out, it is the amount of effort to get to know what the choice actually is and how to get it. Especially due to capitalism, full products are deliberately crippled to plunder the customers. Nowadays, you can have a full-time job managing a company's software licenses. And the bigger the manufacturer, the less sense the license model has.

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  32. Futureshock: It was called overchoice by mrego · · Score: 1

    Futureshock (that's the title of a book millennials) came out in 1970. In the book it was called overchoice. So this is nothing new and has been discussed since at least 1970. But millennials think their every thought is completely new and original. Maybe I should write a book about that and coin a word like Cryptomnesia.

  33. "The secret to happiness is low expectations." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The secret to happiness is low expectations."

    AKA "shut up and be happy with whatever we give you"

  34. If you only choose once, then what's the point? by dlenmn · · Score: 2

    If you only make a single choice (and then simply stick with the choice), then your choice is basically arbitrary and defeats the purpose of having a wide variety of options. That's one of the arguments in the article: more choices aren't always better.

    Word of mouth is also useless if others are making arbitrary choices and then simply sticking with them. It reminds me of a comic's (forget who) routine about getting advice on traveling. People who had been to a city once and only eaten at one restaurant would heartily recommend the restaurant even though they had no baseline for comparison. ("Yeah, I know this great restaurant in Toledo!")

    Now, maybe you're making the argument that you only have to go through the process of choosing once (which will involve testing more than one selection), but few people do that. Mostly, they do what they decide above and just try a variety or two, say meh, and arbitrarily stick with their choice. How many varieties of peanut butter have most people tried? I'm guessing that mostly people have tried a smooth and a chunky (and maybe a natural), but I doubt many people have really compared brands. Why do "choosy moms choose JIF"? (Their advertising slogan.) Because moms have enough shit to do, so at one point in the past, they grabbed a jar of JIF and then just keep getting it because why not?

    Arbitrary choices are not a good solution.

    1. Re:If you only choose once, then what's the point? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      Really? Most people have criteria in mind before they even see the product, some more important such as price, some less so like shape and color. This already pares it down somewhat. And yes, when it comes down to similar products, the choice is somewhat arbitrary because the differences at that level are very minute and often arbitrary themselves, just dressing.

      Of course initially there is no baseline, if you choose not to consult your friends and neighbors, and have never been over and tried these products in their suggested presentation. If you have absolutely no baseline and reference, and it's just a small thing like jam or toothpaste then absolutely choose arbitrarily and *establish* that baseline. Make it a point to choose differently next time to establish relative differences, and now you know what difference to seek out that made a more pleasurable experience. If it's something complex and expensive and you're not seeking out social consultation or even more enthusiast views then why not? It is simply worth your time at that level to make sure your investment will be satisfactory.

    2. Re:If you only choose once, then what's the point? by EmeraldBot · · Score: 2

      If you only make a single choice (and then simply stick with the choice), then your choice is basically arbitrary and defeats the purpose of having a wide variety of options. That's one of the arguments in the article: more choices aren't always better.

      Word of mouth is also useless if others are making arbitrary choices and then simply sticking with them. It reminds me of a comic's (forget who) routine about getting advice on traveling. People who had been to a city once and only eaten at one restaurant would heartily recommend the restaurant even though they had no baseline for comparison. ("Yeah, I know this great restaurant in Toledo!")

      Now, maybe you're making the argument that you only have to go through the process of choosing once (which will involve testing more than one selection), but few people do that. Mostly, they do what they decide above and just try a variety or two, say meh, and arbitrarily stick with their choice. How many varieties of peanut butter have most people tried? I'm guessing that mostly people have tried a smooth and a chunky (and maybe a natural), but I doubt many people have really compared brands. Why do "choosy moms choose JIF"? (Their advertising slogan.) Because moms have enough shit to do, so at one point in the past, they grabbed a jar of JIF and then just keep getting it because why not?

      Arbitrary choices are not a good solution.

      And a world with only JIF as opposed to other brands would be better... How? If you really are overwhelmed with options, go ahead, make an arbitrary selection and stick with it if you like it. You don't have to participate in it. As someone who likes everything " just so" however, I highly appreciate the ability to buy from a large number of brands in order to achieve a favorite taste. You have nothing to lose with a colorful and diverse selection, as people would just wind up with the same choices they'd make if there was only a single choice; but in a monolithic world, people such as myself are far more miserable if something's not right and I have no way to fix it.

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      "Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
    3. Re:If you only choose once, then what's the point? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      To add to this, I believe what you're mostly referring to is settling, as if somehow your initial choice is the only time you ever get to make a selection. This is about the concept of making an initial choice and feeling overwhelmed in doing so. This feeling of being overwhelmed will go away in most cases if you just realize your initial choice doesn't lock you in. You can try something else next time, and if it doesn't work out with your first choice you can try again, and even pass on your first choice to someone else in your family if they might profit from it, or post it to an online auction/classifieds site. Or donate it to someone less fortunate.

      If it is something you do only get to choose once, like if you want to have a kid, then maybe it can feel overwhelming but again, consultation is key. And even in the worst case there are options here, such as giving your child to another caring family. The people who decide to freak out at the drop of a hat are going to make the dumbest choices, such as throwing that child in a dumpster. If you somehow feel paralyzed, find a way to step back, consult, and reassess. Drop the kid off at a family member's and have them take custody until you and your partner come back to your senses and do something that will benefit both the child and yourselves.

      Really the best thing to remember in all situations is that there is always a third option, even if that option is simply waiting, you can almost always find a way to give yourself more time to decide.

    4. Re:If you only choose once, then what's the point? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Generally when I go grocery shopping I buy around 30 items. If each of those items has 10 choices, that's 300 choices you need to consider in a single shopping trip. Sooner or later I am just going to grab something off the shelf and not make the best choice, thereby giving some company more money then I should. Who wants to spend that much time in a grocery store?

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    5. Re:If you only choose once, then what's the point? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      You have nothing to lose with a colorful and diverse selection, as people would just wind up with the same choices they'd make if there was only a single choice;

      That's empirically not true. Because it has to do with getting customers to spend money, there's been a lot of research in this. If you are a new jam maker on a traveling show, and you offer people 8 types of jam a lot of people who it turns out want to buy jam think it's too hard to decide and go without. That is, the revenue you get from 8 types is less than with 3 types. And that loss of profit is compounded by the extra costs of carrying more inventory (so you don't run out of any flavor).

      Grocery stores offer more than 3 types, because they assume you already have a jam preference, and want to satisfy it. Advertisers for jam companies try to change the minds of young people, because they assume that by 30 your preferences are locked.

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    6. Re:If you only choose once, then what's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have nothing to lose with a colorful and diverse selection,

      Except your mind. Even once you're down to your preferred brand from the 6-10 brands (or more) in the aisle, you still have a dozen or more options to choose from. Smooth or chunky is easy, but then they throw in reduced fat (with extra sugar), reduced calorie (loaded with artificial sweeteners), extra [insert adjective] (probably means they added something you don't want in there), etc. If you're lucky, there's a "normal" version in there somewhere (but probably soon to be discontinued so they can sell you a "better" version that costs more). Now you just need to choose a size, which should just be a simple matter of picking the one with the best unit price that will last long enough but not too long. Except one has a unit price in grams, two are in ounces, and one is in gallons. You know better than to use the provided unit prices anyway, because $676.88 per ounce (either one) seems a bit high for peanut butter. After some quick math, you find that the second largest container has the lowest unit price, but you buy the double pack of the largest container instead because you don't want to go through this process again for a long time.

    7. Re:If you only choose once, then what's the point? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
      You don't make 300 choices every time you go to the store. Your choices are built up over years of experience. My barber has three posters of haircut choices on the wall and I'm sure they'd off more on demand. When I go to get my haircut, I don't sit there for half an hour deliberating which of the 90 styles I should go with. The only choice I really have to make is sideburns or not.

      The thing is without choices, I would no be able to experiment try different things. The most closed person I know grew up in a communist country, won't even try new foods and lives on a diet of cabbage tomatoes and bread. How's that for reduction in choice?

    8. Re:If you only choose once, then what's the point? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      But they indeed know this one great restaurant in Toledo. They don't know the best one, and they didn't claim to know the best one, and no one expects a casual tourist to know that after traveling to a city a few times, and most tourists don't need to know that before traveling to a city, and "best" has such a different and complicated definition for everyone that knowing the best restaurant is not worth the effort.

      Telling others about this one great restaurant in Toledo is not useless at all because now those others have one more data point.

      "Great" doesn't need a baseline for comparison. Best/better need a baseline for comparison. Worst can easily be great. Best cannot be worse.

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  35. Luxury vs necessity by RogueyWon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think a big factor here is whether the choice relates to a luxury or a necessity. And to be clear, I'm going to stretch the definition of "necessity" slightly, to include things such as pension plans. In fact, the words "luxury" and "necessity" aren't really quite the right ones here, but I can't think of better ones.

    When it comes to necessities, what we generally want is security. We want to find something that works for us fairly quickly and to then have the mental security that comes from being able to stick with it. This is why so few people switch banks or utility providers, even though they could often save money by doing so. Being bombarded with options when buying something you need (rather than something you want) is stressful. You'll be likely to fixate more on the downsides of making the wrong choice rather than the upsides of making the right choice.

    When it comes to luxuries, on the other hand, we tend to like choice. If we can afford high end food products, we like to be able to choose from lots of different varieties. If we're buying a luxury car, we want to be able to pick and choose options. Having choices makes us excited about our shiny new purchase.

    The complicating factor here is that the line between necessities and luxuries isn't static and won't be the same for everybody. If you have a lot of disposable income, you will probably approach your food-shop as though you're shopping for luxuries. If you're struggling to make ends meet, you will be firmly in necessity mode (I've been in both camps).

    It's not even all about income. I can illustrate this with a comparison between myself and my mother. We both actually have fairly similar levels of disposable income, but our interests and priorities are very different.

    I'm a big PC user; I enjoy gaming on a high end PC. I bought a full new PC recently. Deciding I couldn't be bothered with a self-build this time, I looked around for UK-based vendors who would allow me to customise my build extensively before they put it together. I took time to do my research, picked out the case, the motherboard, the CPU, the RAM, the graphics card and all the rest. And yes, I quite enjoyed this. I chose the vendor I did largely because they offered me this degree of control, rather than an off the peg system.

    My mother, by contrast, does not like PCs. She needs one, but she doesn't like that fact and doesn't treat it as anything more than a tool. When her old laptop died and she needed a replacement, she found the degree of choice available first confusing and then infuriating. We eventually solved it after I looked around for 3 acceptable options and narrowed the choice down to those for her ("this one costs a bit more but has a bigger screen, that one costs a bit less but might be a bit slow to start up").

    Flip things around to the last time we bought new sofas; I spent an afternoon browsing online for something that was about the right size, reasonably cheap and not a horrible colour clash for my living room. My mother spent a month and a half of weekends walking around show-rooms and comparing textile samples.

    We each believe that the other is completely mad. But what it really comes down to is a value judgement over "luxury" vs "necessity" and how that impacts on your approach to choice.

  36. delicate balance by ganv · · Score: 1

    Yes, it is absolutely true that too much choice is a problem. Apple's success is a clear example of this. They offer minimal choices. You are expected to take what they give you and not try to find just the right tweaks for you. It is a very delicate balance. We need expert engineers to make the best choices for us in many cases, but that quickly slides into corporations controlling individuals and customers rebel. If you really know better than the customers what is good for them, and they regularly find that trusting you is in their best interest. Then by all means, reduce choice. But most marketers are trying to sell things that are not made with the consideration of the customers or the environment. What we need is more choices among suppliers so that we can find some suppliers who are actually looking out for customer interests.

    1. Re:delicate balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is only as good as Homebrew is.

  37. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    The choice between strawberry or raspberry jam isn't stressing, it's good that it exists.

    What's stressful is to make choices that can have a severe economic impact - especially when pushed to to the choices with a short time limit, which often telemarketers play on.

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  38. If you suck as making choices you deserve the stre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Making reasonable, well-informed choices is vital problem-solving skill. Managing the psychological stress in the face of information overload/ambiguity/distraction/etc, is a vital life skill. You are fully responsible for developing your own skills. If you failed at this, you deserve the consequences.

    Bunch of losing whiners.

  39. A ton of options but they all suck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is bullshit! If there are too much choices then why can't I find the smartphone I want?

    I want second tier to flagship quality hardware, because I'm cheap.
    I want reliability over having the very latest hardware.
    I want a fully open source OS that gives me lots of options and the ability to add my own, including the ability to install security updates on my own! This also requires fully open source drivers.
    I want a microSD card slot for all the stuff that doesn't need expensive high performance flash, and that I can take with me to a new phone when I upgrade.
    The battery doesn't have to be quickly swappable, but it should be reasonably easy to replace since batteries wear out well before the rest of the phone.

    There is nothing technically difficult about what I am asking for so why doesn't this phone exist?

    Of course, if I wanted to shoot for the moon I would want a phone with a separate swappable radio so that the hardware could be completely independent of any carrier.

    1. Re:A ton of options but they all suck! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing technically difficult about what I am asking for so why doesn't this phone exist?

      Money

      There are not many that would go for this, so it would be expensive. Also, getting customers to get a new phone every year or two is the point, otherwise they can't sell anymore phones, since everybody has one already.

  40. I like choices by uolamer · · Score: 1

    I like having 100s of choices as long as I have tool(s) to help me narrow down the choice and it is not some pain to compare the choices. At newegg for instance I can easily narrow down the choice of computer cases from over 1000 choices down to 20 or so based on what I want. At Amazon however i would never be able to accomplish that with such ease. I know in a lot of ways this is not the same as walking down an isle of 30 types of jam but in many aspects it is. I could easily narrow those 30 jams down to a few and from there pick one based on whatever criteria I wanted, if there was a nice system for doing so.

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  41. No by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    30 years of outsourcing and declining wages is stressing us out. A race to the bottom where everybody takes a piece of you on the way down is stressing us out. Having to pick a breakfast cereal? Not so much. This doesn't even qualify as a "first world problem". Next question please.

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  42. Yes, we need 30 jams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, you need 30 jams, probably more. Let's start out with the basics, normally you'll find 4 choices of any product: Cheap, Mid-Range, High-End, and (for food) Organic (replace this with Exotic for non-food items).

    Now, with jam, you have flavours, and most customers have many flavours they will outright reject. Let's think of some common ones: Grape, Strawberry, Raspberry, Blueberry, Marmalade. Throw in a couple of fun/seasonal flavours: Peach, blackberry, lime.

    That's 32 jams already. But only an idiot consumer has a problem with this. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature goes to the jam aisle with a flavour in mind. Personally, I like strawberry. I have a look at my (now) 4 choices. I consider my budget: I'm almost broke. I pick up the cheap strawberry jam. Done.

  43. the market corrects this by Faust6 · · Score: 1
    Too many choices, if that's really the case, means some products will mostly collect dust on the shelves and get swapped out. Fast food chains go through a cycle of simplifying their menus every now and then, and grocery store items disappear all the time.

    Mind you, I've never seen "30 types of jam". I'd be surprised if you could even find that except in a specialty store. Most large grocery chains have highly limited contracts with just a few key suppliers (for a specific commodity) who then offer a few varieties. You could argue there's too little choice when you're forced to buy American produce from Canadian grocery stores. You know, the shitty kind that's been in cold storage for a year then gassed and god knows what else.

  44. Is it or isn't it? by genner · · Score: 1

    Is it or isn't it? I don't want to choose just tell me what to believe!

  45. I love streetfood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in three different countries (yes, I'm lucky). When I spend time in France I have the hardest time adjusting to their food. The french diet is plain awful and Paris must be the most expensive place on earth.

    I actually would love more options when I do grocery, not 30 times a variation of the very same piece of cheese/bread/pork/whatever. Which pretty much is what "too much choice" actually is.

  46. never what you want by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    It's not about having an abundance of choices. I find that none of the choices is what I want.

    1. Re:never what you want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, that -is- choice paralysis.
      If you ever in the first place needed/wanted what the product offered, with fewer choices it would have been easier to decide that one of those choices filled the 'need'

  47. Obama is that you? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> Barry Schwartz, a psychologist who helped bring this idea to the fore, has been advocating for less choice, and offers this suggestion: "The secret to happiness is low expectations."

    C'mon, "Barry" we know who you really are.

  48. False choices in jam by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    But they're not the SAME three to four choices! So by the time your grocery is stocking everyone's three to four choices, it has 100 or so different things on the shelf.

    Have you really tried all 100 typed of jam and optimized to just 3-4? Have the other jam shoppers?

    It's indisputable that there are too many choice of jelly, because some are basically identical jellies with different labels. Smucker's grape jelly/slime is functionally identical to the store brand grape jelly/slime. Hell, maybe they're even made in the same place. I've found the same with a variety of jams, jellies, and fruit preserves. A grocery store I often go to started carrying a (surprisingly good) store-branded line of organic jams/fruit preserves, and they taste the same as some of the name brands. Again, they may even be the same in the same plant.

    If the store really has 100 choices of jam, then I find it hard to believe that you have truly narrowed it down to 3-4. Unless you're a taste savant, your taste memory simply isn't that good, and your preferences will have changed somewhat by the time you sampled enough of them to make a call. (God, I just tried 20 strawberry jams, and now I can't stand strawberry jam!) I'm guessing there are a bunch of jams that you'd be equally happy with, but you've simply found 3-4 of them and stuck with that because sampling all 100 is too much of a chore.

    As for me, I've tried a lot of jams and fruit preserves at my local super market. (I don't really like jellies.) I'm happy with a lot of them, and like I said, many can only be differentiated in a careful side-by-side comparison. I've tried because I am familiar with the paradox of choice (not a new idea -- Barry Schwartz's book came out in 2004), so I made a deliberate effort to see what I'm missing. The answer: we're often choosing between indistinguishable choices. I'd loose very little if the store cut down the number of choices. (Unless they decide to cut the cheap brands, which would suck.)

    Side note: a lot of people are likening a lack of choice to communism, but we're talking about for-profit supermarkets. They're figuring out that humans aren't really rational and adjusting their stocks in response to maximize profit. It's capitalism at its finest.

    1. Re:False choices in jam by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that within a specific product category, there are going to be various features that you may prefer. In the product category or jams or jellies, you indicated that you don't like jellies. Well, that cuts a big portion of those "redundant" products out, right? Do you like seeds or seedless? What flavor: strawberry, raspberry, blackberry, blueberry, or something else? How about product size - large or small? Glass jar or squeezable plastic bottle?

      When you've narrowed things down like that, you're really only left with a couple of brand choices, not dozens and dozens. And it's a good thing for those few brands to have to compete for your business with competitive prices and quality.

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    2. Re:False choices in jam by omnichad · · Score: 1

      At least Smucker's offers a low-sugar strawberry preserves. I hate how everyone adds too much sugar. They add no artificial sweetener, just less sugar.

      Each person only needs 3-4 varieties, but that 3-4 is different from person to person.

    3. Re:False choices in jam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Unless they decide to cut the cheap brands, which would suck." Exactly, big name brand expensive product gets promoted and cheaper just as good product gets eliminated. I have seen this with Jello vs Royal in the supermarket.

    4. Re:False choices in jam by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Consider yourself in this very post. There are at least 50 different types of criteria possible for someone to choose a jam, but you seem fixated on taste (or others which need a sampling). So you yourself blindly choose one of the (say) 50 criteria, ignoring the rest of the types of criteria for no clear reason.

      Have you really tried thinking about the 50 types of criteria? Have the other /. posters ?

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  49. "The secret to happiness is low expectations." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So THAT'S why my wife is so happy. She has low expectations ... and I manage to live down to them on a daily basis.

    Go me!

  50. NO, I disagree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get stressed out when I don't have ENOUGH choices. For instance, If I want Internet at home, I can use The Phone Company or the Cable company. THAT'S IT!

    I have issues with both of them, so I need MORE choices that are reasonable.

  51. School Education by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    ...and the final quote: "The secret to happiness is low expectations." explains the reason behind most recent changes to school education.

  52. Is Too Much Choice Stressing Us Out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it is.

    Or not.

    Aaaaa... I can't stand it anymore!

  53. Toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Toothpaste is the worst example. Just make one that does EVERYTHING. Why would or should I have to choose between various combinations of gum protection, tartar control, whitening, breath freshening, microcrystals, etc. Just make ONE that does it all and cut the bullshit.

    1. Re:Toothpaste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simply by one of each kind, mix them together, and put the mixture into your own tube.

  54. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The choice between strawberry or raspberry jam isn't stressing, it's good that it exists.

    Except this isn't about choosing between multiple flavors of jam, it's about choosing between multiple brands of jam for the same flavor. I would still agree that, in the case of jam, choice is good. I am simply saying that your example is flawed.

  55. Irony by sycodon · · Score: 0

    You have a Choice to enjoy more choices or fewer choices

    Don't like choosing between 57 different kinds of Ketchup? Shop at the local Quickiemart, which will likely have just one.

    Isn't Choice Great?

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    1. Re:Irony by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      But then the laws of Capitalism have us paying for 'convenience'.

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    2. Re:Irony by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Then walk into a grocery, grab the first one you see or maybe the cheapest, pay for it and walk out. By the way, it's not a "law". Some charge more, some don't. Not a law.

    3. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easier answer, go to a dollar store or Aldi type store where they often have only one of a particular product, the cheapest decent quality product they can find.

    4. Re:Irony by sycodon · · Score: 1

      100% redundant the mod says.

      That was kind of the point.

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    5. Re:Irony by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Where can I find the "laws of Capitalism"?

  56. Welcome to consumerism! by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    We're talking about for-profit supermarkets. They're figuring out that humans aren't totally rational (surprise!) and adjusting their offerings in response to maximize profit. It's capitalism at its finest. In short, just because we're in a free-market economy doesn't mean everything is already optimized. Optimization is a continuous process, and just because it means fewer choices doesn't mean it's communism.

    1. Re:Welcome to consumerism! by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It's only communism when some university professor decides that choice is bad for us because he is in fact a communist and doesn't even try to hide it.

      He's an obvious "capitalism troll".

      Meanwhile in the real world the real for-profit supermarket has loads of choices. They even happily sell you what you would need to create your own entirely unique alternatives.

      Forget the jam section. They have a produce section and a canning section. So, the sky's the limit.

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  57. Perfect response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Love the nod to Indiana Jones... good one!

  58. lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this post is appalling. Lazily scribed with terrible grammar - someone was in a rush? Or, was it just the Guardians' fabled awful sub-editing? I don't pretend to be any better, but then, it's not my job.

    On the other hand, it's a healthy topic. 'Choice' is not always equal to 'freedom', especially on the fringes of relevance.

  59. Too few is bad, but so is too many by dlenmn · · Score: 2

    The idea is that there is an optimum amount of choice: we definitely need choices, but there is such a thing as too much choice. This shouldn't be a surprise: there's an optimal amount of everything, and the optimal amount is usually finite.

    So yes, we need more choices in high speed internet. That doesn't mean that it's impossible to have too many choices; it's just hard to imagine since we're used to having too few.

    1. Re:Too few is bad, but so is too many by sjames · · Score: 2

      The problem isn't choices, it's confusing choices. Like when just one competitor has 10 'plans' with a dizzying array of rules and service levels (each with nasty gotchas) and the other competitors each have their own dizzying array and none of the advertising compares apples to apples.

    2. Re:Too few is bad, but so is too many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How long on average do you spend choosing what to watch on netflix vs actually watching something on netflix?

  60. Ain't that the truth by spkay31 · · Score: 1

    I wanted to read the entire article but couldn't decide whether to read it on my desktop, laptop, ultrabook, tablet, smartphone or smartwatch.

    1. Re:Ain't that the truth by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I wanted to reply to your comment, but couldn't decide what words to use or whether to shoot for funny, insightful, or informative.

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  61. Costco by ppartipilo · · Score: 1

    There is a documentary on Costco that delves into this phenomenon. Choice paralysis is a thing, and that is why there are few choices amongst product categories available at Costco.

    1. Re:Costco by businessnerd · · Score: 2

      Was going to say the same thing. If you walk into a Costco, you typically have only 2 -3 choices of brands for a particular good. Sometimes no choice. But Costco has found that people typically buy more and enjoy the experience more. This is a win for everybody. The customer is happier/less stressed about their choice, Costco gets more revenue from people buying more, and Costco also can keep their costs down by simplifying their inventory. I think a key component here, though, is that Costco has done a good job of whittling down the choices for us. If I'm buying ketchup, I have a choice between the cheap store brand, Heinz. Everyone knows Heinz. It's a safe choice. In cases where there is no choice, it's always the most well known/popular brand. What I don't have to do is choose between 3 crappy or unknown brands.

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    2. Re:Costco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, so the market is correcting itself?

    3. Re:Costco by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I agree with you entirely. I prefer to shop at Costco first simply because everything I buy there is good.

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  62. I vote for many choices, but good filters by King_TJ · · Score: 2

    When you start talking about problems such as the company offering 100 pension plans? Your problem isn't that the employee has too many options/choices. The problem is that the company didn't do enough homework of their own to weed out the inferior options. When my employer tells me they made a certain selection for our healthcare provider, our life insurance provider, or anything else related to the benefits offered -- I assume they made an effort to find the best possible value for the dollar spent. Maybe they could have chosen better than they did, and maybe not. But the point is, they tried to apply a "filter" and make a sensible decision. (Why wouldn't you, since you want your benefits package to look attractive compared with your competition?)

    Every time we use the web, we're presented with literally hundreds of millions of "options" ... yet we're not overwhelmed to the point where we just give up trying to find content we need. That's because we have really powerful search engines like Google we use as part of the process. They act as our filters.

  63. Fordism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paraphrasing: "Your car can be in any color you want, as long as its black."

    The problem isn't a choice of what to buy, the problem is the choice of what information source to rely on to make the purchasing decision.
     

  64. not only true for pension plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember reading an interview with users of tinder and other online dating services. All of them claimed the same. The more choices they have to stabilize a relationship with someone, the less chances that this is gonna happen. The reason is that even after meeting with someone and after even probing that he/she is a good candidate, nobody can be sure because the queue for new candidates is never gets empty, and there is always the idea of trying the next one.

  65. TED talk on Choices by subh_arya · · Score: 1

    A couple years ago - I stumbled on this. Seems very relevant to the discussion.

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  66. Gotta love it by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    A Korea (I know it's the wrong Korea, but it's still a Korea) needs to build farms to increase their military. It's like a real life Warcraft game.

    I wonder if one of his advisers popped up and said "Need more farms".

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    1. Re:Gotta love it by willworkforbeer · · Score: 1

      A Korea (I know it's the wrong Korea, but it's still a Korea) needs to build farms to increase their military. It's like a real life Warcraft game.

      Probably right. let's hope KJU isn't planning a raiding party. Cause then it's The Mixed Metaphor Wars, with the US going all "Games of Drones" and Russia dragging out their copy of "Risk" (aka https://translate.google.com/#...).

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  67. Pringles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Walmart has a back shelf with 10ft of Pringles flavors. They still don't have bacon flavored Pringles, fucking commies.

  68. Surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Self-serving crap science posted on self-serving crap sensationalist website. Gosh, what a big surprise that is.

  69. If, for what I wish was the last time by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    China and the Soviet Union are not, were not and never were Communist. They were fascist dictatorships that happen to borrow rhetoric from popularists like Karl Marx. Jeez, it's 2015. Do we still believe in McCarthyism? Maybe if it weighed the same as a duck...

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    1. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by GLMDesigns · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Keep believing your rhetoric. The communist ideal will never occur by the rule of law. You can have your communist utopia but not if you have to FORCE others to live by your ideals. As not all people want to live in such a system you have two choices: do as China and Russia did and try to force others to obey (create a homo sovieticus); or have a community of like-minded people and not be coercive in your approach. (In other words you don't use laws to institute your ideal world).

      Should you force others to follow you then you will once again create the fascist dictatorship that you think has nothing to do with communism.

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    2. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Troll

      The communist ideal will never occur by the rule of law.

      And the capitalist ideal will never occur because it's impossible - a fantasy.

      So we better find some other way, no matter what you call it.

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    3. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by fluffernutter · · Score: 0

      The problem is, people are dickheads that don't care about anyone else. If you could build a country of people who weren't waiting just to screw everyone else over then you could have communism, but I have come to the conclusion that some people need to feel like they have more and this is why communism fails.

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    4. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The problem is, people are dickheads that don't care about anyone else.

      Speak for yourself, pal.

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    5. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 0

      He told the plain truth, my friend. You like it or not.

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    6. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      One presents a civil toned post, another responds immediately with a personal slur followed by a bullshit "my friend". Exactly which person in the dickhead?

    7. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      *All* ideals are fantasies by definition. Your point was meaningless. Present "some other way" that isn't before scrapping the current system.

    8. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, even officially, USSR never was communist. They have considered themselves socialist with communism being a long-term goal (because even Marx basically stated that communism is only possible in a post-scarcity society).

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    9. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Actually they were in fact socialist. Socialist means that the government owns the means of production (i.e. they own the factories and employ the workers.)

    10. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1, Troll

      Depends on what kind of capitalism we're talking about. If you mean free market capitalism (which itself just means that prices are governed by the forces of supply and demand) then we already have the "capitalist" ideal.

      And no, the US is not in any way, shape, or form, definable as socialist (socialism is defined as the state owning the means of production, employing the workers, and setting prices.) Not even a little bit. We're actually pure free market capitalist. Europe is mostly the same way with the exception of their health care industries, which are in fact socialized.

      Also do not confuse welfare programs with socialism; it's not the same thing. Furthermore, regulation and free markets are not incompatible so long as regulation doesn't establish price controls (which includes things like price ceilings and price floors.) To the best of my knowledge, the US doesn't currently have any direct price controls (except of course for products that the government itself offers.)

    11. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      I think the most annoying thing about communists is they have these grand ideas that they think everybody will just magically adopt once they see it. Except even when people do see it and do adopt it, they always realize just how crappy it actually is. A perfect example of this is groups like the Icarians that eventually just disbanded once they realized that not everybody puts the same commitment into their work, and thus rewarding different people differently is not only justified, but necessary. However since communism offers no means of that (remember, equality is basically forced) then the more productive people eventually get fed up with it and want to leave.

      With groups like the Icarians, leaving is easy. However in the case of a nation, when talented people leave, the country falls into chaos, so they need to build Berlin walls, and pretend that it's to keep bad people out, when in reality it's to keep good people from escaping.

    12. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by KGIII · · Score: 1

      "Everything they told me about Communism was a lie. Everything they told me about Capitalism is true." -- Abraham Lincoln three years after the wall fell. (I forget who said it. Someone who was capable of pithy sayings and a little bit of wisdom.)

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    13. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 0

      When you have your country transformed into an extractivist colony so that Americans can buy the latest iPhone, you'll understand. Only that there will be too late.

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    14. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, we are not pure free market. The government (at all levels) meddles plenty in the economy (mostly through regulation, but some legislation as well), distorting pricing signals. Then, of course, we have outright cronyism. That's why we had a housing bubble (and why we're currently inflating another one). That's why college tuition and medical costs are rising at multiples of the rate of inflation. It's why the likes of Uber and AirBnB are running into so many problems with various governmental bodies. While it is a generally free economy, and it's not socialist, it's definitely not pure free market either.

    15. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Communism, or any other ideal, can't work, in its pure form, at any level above that of a tribe or a small group of like-minded individuals. It simply can't. 'Tis why I make fun of zealots and idealists. I even make fun of those in my own political party - I'm a Libertarian. There's a whole metric ton of Libertarians to make fun of.

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    16. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Shhhh ... Be careful, do not tell truths that might hurt the ego of Americans.

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    17. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      You can believe that you can force people to follow your communist ideology (like we in America force people not to violate patents) while not thinking that it will necessarily result in a fascist dictatorship. You can also believe that fascist dictators called themselves communist for PR purposes. There's no real conflict there.

      Now, you may want to pick on his specific examples. But he never made a generalized claim, but rather a claim about China and Russia^H^H^H^H^H^H the USSR. And, if you want to hang your mutual argument about a single claim, I'm going to say your initial position of "We should trust Mao and Stalin to be honest about their intentions" is far weaker than his of "Mao and Stalin were power-hungry lying asshats"

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    18. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And no, the US is not in any way, shape, or form, definable as socialist (socialism is defined as the state owning the means of production, employing the workers, and setting prices.) Not even a little bit. We're actually pure free market capitalist.

      Facts contradict your belief. For example, about 40% of our national spending is done by the government, so that part isn't "pure free market". Employment is strongly regulated and restricted, with minimum wages in many places, and limits on who you can hire and fire. Health insurance, health care, auto insurance, and home insurance are also highly regulated, and people are not permitted to engage in free market transactions. Both businesses and landlord face strong restrictions on who they can and cannot do business with. Our banking and financial system is highly regulated, with many forms of financial transactions simply being illegal, and borrowing and lending tightly regulated and controlled. When all is said and done, maybe a quarter of the transactions in our economy are anything like free market transactions.

      Also do not confuse welfare programs with socialism

      Also, do not confuse people who pretend to be socialists with actual socialists. Bernie Sanders isn't a socialist, and neither are most of the other people who call themselves "socialist" in the US or Europe. People who pretend to be "socialists" in US politics are really just lobbying groups like any other, wanting to take away money from some people and give it to themselves and their friends.

    19. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      True communism implies real cooperation, something that your sick society is unable to imagine, let alone put into practice.

      The kind of "real cooperation" communism requires is impossible for anything other than societies that function like insect colonies. Societies composed of intelligent beings with free will simply cannot organize under communism.

      Personally, I find communist societies "sick" (based, incidentally, on first hand experience). Of course, you're free to believe something different, as long as you don't try to impose your beliefs on me at gunpoint, which is another thing communist societies like to do when their erroneous theories run head first into reality.

    20. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh boy, this again... Let's get some things really clear:

      1) No, dislike of capitalism does NOT mean that the person then is communist;

      2) Yes, I know real well that humans are unable to operate under real communism;

      3) No, soviet and chinese was not real communist, they were just another kind of dictatorship that was said communist. For example, in my country I had a dictatorship that was said capitalist though it was just another dictatorship;

      4) The fact 2 It does not imply that you should therefore stop trying or stop looking for alternatives;

      5) No, you've never, ever seen truly communist societies, see facts 2 and 3;

      Clear enough now? Or I'll have to draw? Damn humans.

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    21. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      No, it can. Also, Capitalism could be redesigned to incorporate the positive aspects of Communism. It's just that people don't generally want to because they instantly want to know what's in it for them and there is no more in it for them than anyone else and a lot of people don't like that.

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    22. Re: If, for what I wish was the last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I swear the assburgers gets worse on this site by the day.

      You should be more discerning of the shit you cram into your feeble little mind.

    23. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Just because I'm a dickhead doesn't mean that I'm waiting just to screw everyone else over. If I have $10 and you're hungry and I don't give you money does not mean that I want to screw you over; it would most likely have nothing to do with you.

    24. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      What is the design of capitalism and who designed it?

    25. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      If you mean free market capitalism (which itself just means that prices are governed by the forces of supply and demand) then we already have the "capitalist" ideal.

      There is no such thing as a "free market". One has never existed. In fact, one can never exist. In all of human history, there has never been a "free market".

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    26. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      *All* ideals are fantasies by definition. Your point was meaningless. Present "some other way" that isn't before scrapping the current system.

      I'm not for "scrapping" anything. My guess is the best solution right now is some hybrid. If we look at the countries where the populations are most successful, they're a mix of highly regulated capitalism with socialistic programs.

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    27. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That wouldn't be in it's pure form, would it?

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    28. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      A free market exchange exists when we have something to trade and the we don't need a bureaucrats say-so. You want me to take a van full of stuff from place A to place B and we agree on price (dollar, barter, whatever) and we don't need a bureaucrat's say so for me to load and transport the good then that, my friend, is a free-market exchange.

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    29. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My level of reading comprehension doesn't grasp wtf you're comment has to do with the parents post.

    30. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Shhhh ... Be careful, do not tell truths that might hurt the ego of Americans.

      You seem to be the one who's butt hurt here. Maybe you'd care to elaborate on what country you're from so we can at least understand what you're crying about?

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    31. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      A free market exchange exists when we have something to trade and the we don't need a bureaucrats say-so.

      In discussions of this type, "free market" is shorthand for "free market economy".

      What you describe is a free exchange, but not a free market economy.

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    32. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Is because you have no one. This is common.

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    33. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      As if that was going to do any difference to your opinion what has been programmed... pardon, decided long ago?

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    34. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      As if you know what everyone else is thinking. Get over yourself.

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    35. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      And someone modded me troll for this... Well, you ALWAYS gets a lot of enemies when you insist on telling the truth (or I have a secret admirer :-D)

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    36. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if you have $10 billion, you could buy a drug company and jack up the prices 5000%.

      $10 doesn't buy a whole lot of "screw everyone else over", no matter how much of a dickhead you are.

    37. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

      1) No, dislike of capitalism does NOT mean that the person then is communist;

      Of course not: communism and socialism are in good company with fascism, theocracy, military dictatorships, and aristocracies in their disdain for capitalism.

      5) No, you've never, ever seen truly communist societies, see facts 2 and 3;

      I completely agree: none of the societies I have seen were "real communist societies" in the sense of living up to communist ideals. That's because no society composed of human beings ever can or will live up to communist ideals.

      What those nominally communist societies were, however, were societies run by "real communist" like you, people who fervently believe that the problem with communism is the "sickness" of others, as opposed to their own delusions.

    38. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      And someone modded me troll for this... Well, you ALWAYS gets a lot of enemies when you insist on telling the truth (or I have a secret admirer :-D)

      Of course you're not a troll. You're something much worse: a dyed-in-the-wool believer in "real communism", which simply makes you evil.

    39. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      No, you fucktard... re-read again what I wrote, I see you americans have SERIOUS problems with text interpretation.

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    40. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Dude, go fuck yourself. Really. I'm tired of trying to explain things to retards like you, I wrote in an obscenely obvious way earlier that I am not a "communist" and what your shithead got was the usual "is not capitalism then must be communist". No surprise that much of the world want to see your country disappearing in a nuclear mushroom.

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    41. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

      I wrote in an obscenely obvious way earlier that I am not a "communist" and what your shithead got was the usual "is not capitalism then must be communist".

      It's not your dislike of capitalism that brands you as a communist; you share that with lots of worshipers of totalitarianism. What brands you as a communist is the distinction between actual communism and "real communism" that you're trying to make.

      No surprise that much of the world want to see your country disappearing in a nuclear mushroom.

      Sure: communists, fascists, theocrats, and the European intelligentsia have always hated the US. That's why the US is maintaining a large military to defend itself, and I'm glad they do. It was only under US hegemony and military occupation that Europeans and Asians finally stopped murdering each other and their minorities by the millions and started focusing on the peaceful pursuits of trade, ending hunger and poverty, and creating wealth. Despite all their arrogance, Europeans have never managed to do that on their own. And, btw, you have no idea what "my country" is.

    42. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      And no, the US is not in any way, shape, or form, definable as socialist (socialism is defined as the state owning the means of production, employing the workers, and setting prices.)

      Government owns parts of the means of production on all levels, local, city, state, and federal. City owned production of water, State owned medical services and insurance, Federally owned and directed highway system, etc..

      We have always been a mix of socialism and capitalism. Because neither on its own is very good. If you try to purely practice one or the other, that is when you end up when a failed state. That is why China wised up and now has a mix of communism/socialism/capitalism. They are doing things for practical reasons, not ideological ones. If it makes more sense for the government to own a service, they just own it. If it makes more sense for competition to make a service better, they let it go into the free market.

    43. Re: If, for what I wish was the last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not free exchange.

      There are underlying bureaucratic rules, like if I steal your stuff and call it an exchange, some guy carrying a gun and a badge is going to nix the 'free exchange' we just had.

      I'm with the OP free markets cannot exist, ever, because there's nothing stopping the stronger party from stealing instead of exchanging. Thus all markets need bureaucrats to impose rules, backed by overwhelming force, that protect both parties from anarchy.

      The last example was not free exchange, it was constrained exchange under American laws which outlaw theft.

    44. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      China and the Soviet Union are not, were not and never were Communist

      They weren't "communist" in the sense that they didn't deliver what Karl Marx promised. They were very much "communist" in the sense that they represented the kind of government you get when you try to implement Karl Marx's ideas in the real world. The problem with communism is that it promises outcomes it obviously cannot deliver. Karl Marx's theories were simply wrong.

    45. Re: If, for what I wish was the last time by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I'm with the OP free markets cannot exist

      That's good, because I am the OP.

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    46. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Facts contradict your belief. For example, about 40% of our national spending is done by the government, so that part isn't "pure free market"

      Umm...I don't think you understand what the government not owning the means of production actually means. Let me help a bit: The government spending you're talking about is mostly from the government purchasing from the private sector. Let's take the military for example; they spend a lot of money buying aircraft from Boeing. The F-35 for example is the government giving a lot of money to contractors and their subcontractors.

      Health insurance, health care, auto insurance, and home insurance are also highly regulated, and people are not permitted to engage in free market transactions.

      Ok, please re-read what a free market is. A free market means the prices are determined by the forces of supply and demand. The government doesn't set prices on any of these. Here, I'll even give you a wikipedia reference:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority. A free market contrasts with a regulated market, in which government intervenes in supply and demand through non-market methods such as laws creating barriers to market entry or price fixing

      Both businesses and landlord face strong restrictions on who they can and cannot do business with.

      You're talking about EEO type laws, and no, the government isn't setting prices. Let me quote again:

      A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority. A free market contrasts with a regulated market, in which government intervenes in supply and demand through non-market methods such as laws creating barriers to market entry or price fixing

      Our banking and financial system is highly regulated, with many forms of financial transactions simply being illegal, and borrowing and lending tightly regulated and controlled.

      The government isn't setting prices....I don't know if I'm getting through to you yet...

      A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority. A free market contrasts with a regulated market, in which government intervenes in supply and demand through non-market methods such as laws creating barriers to market entry or price fixing

      Also, do not confuse people who pretend to be socialists with actual socialists. Bernie Sanders isn't a socialist, and neither are most of the other people who call themselves "socialist" in the US or Europe. People who pretend to be "socialists" in US politics are really just lobbying groups like any other, wanting to take away money from some people and give it to themselves and their friends.

      I don't think I did? And I think Bernie Sanders is insane because he advocates a 90% tax rate, just after a 75% tax rate proved to be a disaster for France.

    47. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Government owns parts of the means of production on all levels, local, city, state, and federal. City owned production of water, State owned medical services and insurance, Federally owned and directed highway system, etc..

      Actually in most cases this is government entities purchasing from the private sector. For example, the government doesn't actually build highways, they pay contractors to do it.

      But yeah, I'll grant you that in some cases the government does own the means of production here, but it's a very tiny portion of the economy.

    48. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but you don't seem to have an education. Here, let me help:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      A free market is a market economy system in which the prices for goods and services are set freely by consent between vendors and consumers, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority. A free market contrasts with a regulated market, in which government intervenes in supply and demand through non-market methods such as laws creating barriers to market entry or price fixing

      Unless the government (or an otherwise governing body) is setting rules as far as how much you will produce and how much you will sell it for, then you have a free market economy. That describes practically every transaction that occurs in the US.

    49. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It should be "it is because you do not have one" FTFY

    50. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

      Umm...I don't think you understand what the government not owning the means of production actually means.

      Believe me, I know: I have first hand experience. And you are absolutely right: neither the US nor most of Europe are socialist. What we are is a regulated market economy and a welfare state, with little practical difference between the US and Europe. I was objecting to your statement We're actually pure free market capitalist.; in fact, we are nothing like that at all.

      A free market means the prices are determined by the forces of supply and demand.

      In the definition you quote, that is only one of the conditions; you skipped over the second part "in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority". Those two conditions must both be satisfied. In fact, you then quote the definition of what we actually are:

      A free market contrasts with a regulated market, in which government intervenes in supply and demand through non-market methods such as laws creating barriers to market entry or price fixing

      That is, we live in a regulated market according to your own quote, a market in which the government intervenes but doesn't necessarily set prices. But, of course, the US government also massively interferes in pricing itself, since almost all transactions are subject to taxation, but that taxation itself is subject to exemptions, all intended to encourage and discourage people from engaging in some transactions and not others.

      You're talking about EEO type laws, and no, the government isn't setting prices.

      But it is regulating the market and intervening through other authority, which are incompatible with "pure free markets". Those regulations also indirectly affect prices; that is, under EEO regulations, many people are paid different salaries than they would be without EEO regulations. Such laws form part of a "regulated market". That is, there is still a market there, but it's not free. That's not a judgment on whether EEO regulations are good or bad (which is a separate discussion), it's simply a fact about what kind of economic system we live under.

      I don't think I did?

      Presumably you want to get at some point when you said "Also do not confuse welfare programs with socialism". Given how poorly our welfare state functions, I thought that you were trying to get across that "true socialism" would function better. But perhaps you meant something different. In any case, the welfare state and socialism are indeed different (their primary difference being who owns the means of production), but they share the same fundamental economic misconception, namely that you need to put smart people in charge of yourself and give them the right to commit violence against you in order to improve your own life.

    51. Re: If, for what I wish was the last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, since the US forbids exporting US Produced crude oil, we are almost free market capitalists.

    52. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by Bugamn · · Score: 1

      Do you remember which side of the wall he was? That influences the meaning heavily. A Google search suggests this is some Russian joke.

    53. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by KGIII · · Score: 1

      As I recall it was someone coming from an ex-communist country that said it. At least that's how I interpreted it. I think it was, indeed, partially humor but humor often contains a nugget of truth and insight.

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    54. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it is a fascist dictatorship if not resident wants to live by communist ideals, is it also a fascist dictatorship if not every resident wants to live by capitalist ideals? Why not?

    55. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Which brings us back to the point of the article, "Is to much choice stressing us out", no, too many 'false' choices are stressing us out. Those false choices being products and services that in now way measure up to their marketing and hype, requiring the initial choice to be made. This time round of course excluding the single false choices but only to be presented with a bevy of false choices and knowing that chances of making another poor mislead choice is pretty high.

      Easy choice where all the choices are clear and honestly presented, easy. Current capitalistic styled choices where bullshit and marketing rule, extremely frustrating. So to politics a social democracy, "a government of the people by the people and for the people" ie socialism, will create what ever socio-economic structure that best serves the people. The Oligarchy we currently have just produces psychopathic capitalism, this held in power by a hugely distorted main stream media lying to, misinforming and with holding the truth from the public. All of this to feed the insatiable greed and lusts of a tiny minority, up to and including the end of the ability of our planet to support us ie a false choice.

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    56. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by KGIII · · Score: 1

      ;-) If you ignore the vocal minority, you'd be surprised how close Libertarians are to Socialists. Our reasoning is *very* different but the end result is very similar. Also, Libertarianism is a political ideology and not an economic model. All of the people who are actually in the party (not claiming to represent it) that I, personally, know are rather sane and much further to the left than people think. We're usually further left than the Democrats are - I dare say that I'm further left than any elected democrat.

      Unfortunately, the time has come when I need to refer to myself as a "Classic Libertarian." *sighs* Ayn Rand was an idiot. Rand Paul is not a Libertarian. Any political ideology will not work when it's on a large enough scale to involve disparate peoples. Unless you want a totalitarian solution, you can not do it. It simply, none of them, will work...

      Where that ties in with your comment, well, I'll let you decide. However, that's what your comment made me think of. I'm a bit tired so, suffice to say, that I want things like a strong social safety net because I like owning my stuff. I want a very strong central government (and states) who enforce the laws without bias - but with judgment. Why? Well, it's cheaper for me to feed you than it is for me to feed you and have to fix the hole you cut in my screens to break in and steal my food. It expands from that same idea. I don't mind taxes. I mind how they're spent. I don't mind government. I mind it being everywhere.

      Alas, I'm tired and this is only tangentially related. I don't have the answers. I wish I did. I'm running for the State Senate (in Maine) but I don't think that will have any impact on your life. I don't really want the job but I'm in a position to do it. The current representative was running unopposed and hasn't done a damned thing the electorate wants. My ideals will, much of the time, not be important as my JOB will be to represent my constituents according to their wishes. I really don't want the job. I have more amusing things to do with my retirement.

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    57. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rehashes point 2, pretends TheDarkMaster disagrees...

    58. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      No, it's just the ones who believe there is a real difference between the democrats and republicans. Those of us who are smart enough to realize they are just different masks for the same ruling class are rather good at comprehending clearly written thoughts.

    59. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Agreed, there are some things that corporations cannot be trusted with, like health care. When there is a profit motive to keep people sick a corporation will do everything in its power to keep as many people as possible sick.

    60. Re:If, for what I wish was the last time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someday USA will be blowup because of guys like you, friend.

  70. Not wrong != optimized by dlenmn · · Score: 1

    you will know that you picked the "wrong" jam in the near future and still be able to get a different one... Which is why most of us do NOT have a problem picking up a loaf of bread and a jar of jam.

    But many people DO have trouble picking a jar of jam. From TFA:

    In one study cited by Schwartz, researchers set up two displays of jams at a gourmet food store for customers to try samples, who were given a coupon for a dollar off if they bought a jar. In one display there were six jams, in the other 24: 30% of people exposed to the smaller selection bought a jam, but only 3% of those exposed to the larger selection did.

    I think part of the problem is confusing "not wrong" and "optimized". Yes, you know when you dislike a jam, but excluding bad jams doesn't mean you've optimized your choice. Most people probably find a few jams that "aren't bad" and stick with them (sampling only a few jams along the way), which defeats the purpose of having 30 types of jam: if the selection were 15 types of jam, then you'd still find a few jams that "aren't bad" and you'd be in about the same boat.

    The more types of jam you try, the better you can optimize. A larger selection doesn't mean better optimization per se: having more options doesn't help if you don't try them. Optimizing 30 types of jam is daunting, so maybe you try 5 before finding a few that are "not bad" and stopping the optimization process. Optimizing 10 types of jam is less daunting, so maybe you'd try all 10 -- meaning you are likely to have done a _better_ job optimizing. That's the idea here. The problem described above isn't rational, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

    1. Re:Not wrong != optimized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many of the jams were the same product with different branding? Artificial choice is an obfuscation that prevents choice. It's not the same thing as actually having a choice.

      Where I live we have a long tradition of reducing unnecessary choices.
      "Do you want fries or mashed potatoes with that?", "Both."

    2. Re:Not wrong != optimized by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      > But many people DO have trouble picking a jar of jam. From TFA:

      These are also probably the same nitwits that cant use an iPad without on-site technical support. This should not be a race to the bottom to pander to the biggest MORONS in society. Society is enough of an idiocracy as is.

      Restricting the choice of Jams makes it all sound so benign but it can be really quite sinister. Just ask any Soviet ex-pat, or better yet ask them to smile for you.

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    3. Re:Not wrong != optimized by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Gourmet food store shoppers self-select as people who have trouble making decisions.

    4. Re:Not wrong != optimized by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      But many people DO have trouble picking a jar of jam

      And over time, evolution is supposed to select those types of people out of the gene pool.

    5. Re:Not wrong != optimized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soviet expat here. It's scary when morons with a superiority complex, like you, ignore empirical data. Fuck off trying to exploit other people's tragedy for your self-congratulating agenda.

    6. Re:Not wrong != optimized by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Evolution seems to be having trouble picking which ones should go.

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    7. Re:Not wrong != optimized by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Do you need to "try" a jam to know its price? If not, more options help even if you don't try them. If yes, you're the one who shouldn't be allowed to make choices.

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  71. I would say definitely. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    There is too many choices being offered, especially when it comes to Presidential candidates from a major party. Come on, guys. Get your act together.

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  72. Close by koan · · Score: 1

    The secret to happiness is low expectations.

    The secret to happiness is no expectations.

    Happiness, like anger is at one end of a spectrum, I found for myself that seeking a balance in my life leads to a sort of peace, a low level satisfaction.
    It's hard for me to express but you know it when you feel, it's a "everything is fine this moment" feeling, not the swing out to happiness but in a lot of ways much better because it's sustainable.

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  73. If you choose not to decide by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    You still have made a choice.

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  74. Simple by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 1

    This is why freemarket capitalism fails so hard at so many things.

    If the requirement is that all people have to be intelligent, rational, self-interested actors who will

    Sorry, had to stop laughing for a moment there :)

    We don't have the TIME or the attention to do all the research. We can't inspect our own meat, or look up the chemical composition of stuff used in our workplaces that is just 'mysterious solvent' to us so that we can determine it's not a safe chemical exposure and seek other employment, thus penalizing the company that's trying to use dangerous solvents.

    Even when we CAN get information, we're only human and simply can't investigate every little corner of reality in order to come to personal, self-interested and rational decisions about all things. As Tommy Lee Jones in Men In Black put it, we're dumb panicky animals and you know it. The times that we can think and commmunicate and learn are special times, to be celebrated. On the whole, we need training wheels.

    Of course too much choice is stressing us out. Modern culture is predicated upon dumping ALL the choices on us, as an explicit political system.

    The opposite extreme is just as lame and nobody wants gray Communist food depots serving government cheese, but it's important to recognize how wacky we've let things become. We could deal with 500 kinds of jam if every detail of our employment, survival, safety etc. wasn't also left up to our so-impressive self-reliance as a sort of econo-religious tenet.

  75. Future Shock by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    Future Shockshock (Alvin Toffler, 1970) observed that change is stressful, accelerating rapidly in our time, and sure to get worse.

    Get worse it has. Change continues to accelerate, fulfilling Toffler's predictions.

    John Brunner's excellent novel The Shockwave Rider (1975) puts it well:

    In the twentieth century one did not have to be a pontificating pundit to predict that success would breed success and the nations that first were lucky enough to combine massive material resources with advanced knowhow would be those where social change would accelerate until it approximated the limit of what human beings can endure.

    There's the rub: change will accelerate until it approximates the limit of what human beings can endure.

    Those who cannot endure? They kill themselves, or others, or go insane.

    Sources:

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  76. Costco by hedley · · Score: 1

    This is one of the reasons Costco is successful. You let them 'curate' by picking a subset of items they like and can get a good discount on. It's very well known to them that the paralysis mentioned leads to a more stressful shopping experience for shoppers, less selection => less stress. If you don't like that model, there are other stores eager to help.

    H.

  77. Price competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While it is idiotic to have more than a few choices for a particular product (corn flakes, Grape Jelly, etc) on a single store shelf having multiple companies competing against each other is a good thing. In their attempts to get greater market share above each other presses prices down and quality up. Stores do limit their product selections, which is why you see some brands on one stores shelfs but not on another, but some of the larger chains have let things get a bit too far in some categories. For people annoyed with too much choice there are stores that cater towards providing a limited selection at the lowest price (Aldi/Dollar General in my area).

  78. I'm just glad we have 100+ flavors of Linux by DidgetMaster · · Score: 1

    I also like software that has at least 50 tabs on the menu bar and the choices are nested 5 levels deep. Life is so much easier when it takes you 50 hours to customize every preference. It's even more fun when they give you at least 3 different ways to set the same option.

  79. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    Still a non-problem.

    Try on brand on Monday. Try another brand on Tuesday. Try another on Wednesday. Or not even bother.

    It's not some great tragedy.

    If you think that 3 brands of grape jam to choose from is something to get stressed over, you have a remarkably sheltered and shallow existence.

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  80. Many avoids corruption; fewer avoids stupidity. by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    Many choices avoids the problem of corrupting the decider by concentrated bribery. Few choices runs the risk of leaving people to fall prey to their own ignorance or to manipulative advertisement.

    If you have too few, then the person who makes the choice initially is the only one you have to corrupt. With retirement plans, for example, this can be a problem--a skilled retirement planner will make much better decisions than your average employee, but historically there are also significant conflicts of interest where they choose funds they get a higher commission on, and the like.

  81. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by omnichad · · Score: 1

    I agree with that. You're going to have a lot more choice paralysis if you're in the market for a laptop. Make the wrong choice and the GPU overheats and unsolders itself. More expensive isn't any safer.

  82. You're right by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Communism doesn't work. It involves a large scale transfer of ownership of the means of production to the working class, and it's been shown that in the battle between the military and ruling class that ensues when you try to do that it all falls apart.

    This folks is why I'm a Democratic Socialist. You can live however the heck you want so long as you're not causing pain and suffering to others. Trouble is the 1% will _always_ cause pain and suffering, because as you and I are diminished they are raised. It really is a Zero sum game, but for social status and political power rather than raw economics.

    Nice talking points you got there though. Did you get 'em from Rush Limbaugh? You know he just got 'em from Karl Rove right?

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  83. Cult of Less (was:AKA Decision Fatugue) by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Let me weigh in on the Cult of Less. Which, by the way, is the right way to handle things in a post-scarcity economy we're moving in to.

    I ...
    - buy jeans at the vintage clothes store or dirt-cheap no-name brand. Buy 2-3 once every 2 years or so.
    - buy Longsleves and T-Shirts either from H&M (worse choice, but available) or Contintental
    - buy once kind of PH-neutral soap for the household. Do my dishwashing, cleaning and moping with just that. In a pinch I can even shower with it and use it as shampoo (no joke).
    - only use bars of soap. For showering, washing, etc. Saves packaging (no plastic bottles) and gives a wide variety. Plus I know what to shop for when luxury shopping. And people can always give me a bar of nice soap if they don't know what they can give me for a present.

    - I, as a computer expert, *do* have too many computers. A now broken Mac Mini, two refurbished Lenovo ThinkPads, a 13" MB Air, a 10" Lenovo Yoga Tablet, a Smartphone, a Xbox 360 (latest model), a Nintendo DSi, a PSP and a Pocket Computer from the mid-80ies. At least two of those I could and should easyly get rid of. Note that most of these are portable.
    - I live in a 36 square-meter one-room apartment. It's just my size. It takes 2 hours max. to clean up everything and I have a good reason to curb my accumilation of stuff
    - I only use and learn FOSS technologies. There are still to many of those, but it reduces my field I watch out for a little bit.

    Bottom line:
    Decision fatigue is very real and I've experienced first hand how relaxing it can be when you actively reduce your options.

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    1. Re:Cult of Less (was:AKA Decision Fatugue) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but there's no polite way to say this: you are a smug hipster. Seriously, "people can always give me a bar of nice soap?" Yes, you have embraced the stereotype. You are a hipster.

  84. Limiting choices works well for Costco by cnaumann · · Score: 1

    Costco does not offer you a lot of choices. Want paper towels? You have two choices, a leading brand or the store brand. Same with toilet paper. Need a vacuum cleaner? There are maybe three to choose from. Jam? One brand, maybe two flavors plus some high-end organic stuff. Pop Tarts? One box, with two mixed flavors.

    This model seems to work well for them.

  85. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    I am a technical person and my head spins when I shop for a laptop. It's no wonder people just go for the brand they know at the price they are comfortable with and hope for the best.

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  86. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Try on brand on Monday. Try another brand on Tuesday. Try another on Wednesday.

    Or let others do that for you: Just go to Amazon, and buy the brand with five star reviews.

  87. three choices is plenty by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    1 the cheap economy choice

    2 the standard regular choice

    3 the deluxe top notch choice

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  88. Uhm... by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Is Too Much Choice Stressing Us Out?

    Yes....
    I mean No ....

    oh HELL I can't decide, why are you asking me?

  89. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by omnichad · · Score: 1

    This is probably my #3 reason for sticking with a Desktop. Build my own and it's my own fault if it doesn't work, but then it's only one part that has to be swapped.

  90. Devo had this sorted out 35 years ago by PongStroid · · Score: 1

    In ancient Rome
    There was a poem
    About a dog
    Who found two bones
    He picked at one
    He licked the other
    He went in circles
    He dropped dead

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  91. I have no issues with too much choice by jader3rd · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of when I explain to people my idea around how to change the system to have voters vote on issues instead of individuals for deciding who our politicians should be, and I have plenty of people say "But I don't care about the issues". It's heartbreaking.

    1. Re:I have no issues with too much choice by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I don't care about most issues, and a I care a lot about a couple. Unfortunately, I do have to take politicians as a bundle, and they don't agree across the board. I want to be able to vote on my issues independently.

      But, I don't want a bunch of disinterested asshats who don't care about hte issue, but are "doing their civic duty" from being influenced by whatever marketing blitz.

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  92. Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Always nice to see another Rush fan...

  93. You are cows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't need choices, citizen. Lower your expectations!

    CISA rammed through. TPP... who the fuck knows. Might be ratified already and nobody has the actual text of the agreement. TTIP and TISA will be rammed through as well.

    You'll be happy this way, citizen! We have research. Accept it, citizen. You don't want to be a Luddite, do you?

  94. Barry Schwartz has it right. by tehcyder · · Score: 1
    "The secret to happiness is low expectations."

    Truest thing I've ever read on slashdot.

    It will of course be misunderstood by most people here as meaning you shouldn't raise your eyes above the gutter.

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  95. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

    In my case it is not the excess of choices that bothers me. What worries me is the fact that out of a hundred options I have, in 80 of them will try to cheat me.

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  96. Variety, is the spice of life. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [no further comment necessary]

  97. Schwartz's book is totally worth reading by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2

    The Paradox Of Choice is excellent. The most important point among a legion of somewhat unexpected findings is: people generally make choices either by optimizing and finding the best choice, or by setting a threshold and choosing the first option that exceeds that threshold. The people who generally use optimization strategies consistently make better choices than the people who set thresholds, but are consistently much less happy about both their choices and their lives. This appears to be because in the process of optimizing, they calculate the cost of all the choices they didn't make, in a sort of buyer's remorse, and that has a huge impact on their satisfaction with the choice they did make.
    He spends a lot of time talking about how you can make good choices and be happy about them. One of the main ways of doing this is figuring out ways to reduce the number of apparent choices you have, so that the cost of the paths not taken is lower.

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  98. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

    full products are deliberately crippled to plunder the customer

    Said a different way, products descriptions are misleading as to their contents and what was done to offer them in some ideal format (long shelf life, inexpensive, type of flavor). So you end up with an array of products that are the same thing with different meaningless labels.

    My suggestion is rather than reducing choice, if you're not absolutely thrilled with one brand of product, try a different one next time. Going to bred, there is one brand of bread at the grocery store that (for my needs) far surpasses the others. Of course it's almost always sold out, because we all know this to be true. But it's not the healthiest brand by far, and probably is one of hte least authentic. But if authenticity is what you crave, there are like 6 choices for that too.

    The only people who seem to benefit from lack of choice are shareholders who want to own really big companies with absolutely no threat from competition.

  99. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We do need 30 types of jam. Some weeks are more cherry jam weeks and others are more habanero apricot, etc.

  100. Can someone tell us what to choose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't like having to think.

    Seriously though, as far as tech is concerned the problem of "too many languages" causes so much grief it's unbelievable. The compatibility matrix is so huge that choosing a correct solution is impossible. Choosing an optimal solution is very nearly impossible. Instead we go with a botch of bandaided and cobbled together solutions and random bits of interop and SWIG to make things kinda-sorta-maybe work. Failing everything else you can always commission another computer and stick a random bit of network RPC on it to kinda-sorta-maybe make it talk to other kinda-sorta-maybe working bits. Then everyone complains when someone switches the second computer off to plug in a vacuum cleaner.

    So I wouldn't say it's the choice that's stressing us out - choosing is easy. The problems come from the realization that we've made bad choices because we can't possibly hope to make good ones anymore.

  101. Too many Bourbon choices are stressing me out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Switching back to Jim Beam white label

  102. In and Out versus McDonalds by peter303 · · Score: 1

    In and Out has stayed with just a few menu items done well, while McDonalds explodes into several dozen. Franchise owners complained about all the choices, especially brought on by all day breakfasts. Recently it has increased McDonalds sales, but we'll see what the market says in the long run.

    1. Re:In and Out versus McDonalds by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      It increased McDonald's sales because the burgers have a bad reputation, and the breakfast has a good reputation.

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    2. Re:In and Out versus McDonalds by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      What do you consider long run, mcdonalds has been around for 60 years?

  103. Re:False logic...Speaking of stress... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep your millenial, reddity, douche words off of slash please.

  104. There is also the time cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I first started shopping at co-op grocery stores and/or Trader Joes I was shocked at how *small* they were. Surely all grocery stores needed to be cavernous warehouses.

    Well, it turns out it takes a lot of shelf space to show you all those choices, which makes it take a lot longer for you to walk around and find what you want.

    When you do away with all those false choices of which sticker is on the exact same mash of b-grade berries and corn syrup, you find you can actually do your shopping faster.

  105. Too much is not yet enough by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    In some areas, yes, there are "too many" choices, only in that the differences are immaterial and trivial. The only persistent issues I see are shipping and stocking costs for such a variety and the unlikelihood that the exact thing you might want has been reviewed by more than two people.

    I appreciate having the choices. Everyone having the same stuff, eating the same stuff, etc. gets boring. However, this isn't ultimately leading to more and more choices. Eventually, it's leading to more custom manufacturing, 3D printing, and custom mixing of very tailored goods. People will need to learn to see a few samples, imagine what they want, then describe it closely enough to have it made for them onsite, quickly.

    Consider the very simple case of house paint. There were a few places like Sherwin-Williams where you could get pretty much any color, but 50 years ago most people shopped at Sears or somewhere similar where you had a few dozen colors to choose from. It took a long time to get it perfected, but now we can easily, affordably, and quickly get any color in the spectrum.

    Don't give us less choices, give us complete control over what we can choose.

  106. The Monkees said it best by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    We were talking with the Master regarding the nature of conceptual reality. Psychologically speaking, the human mind, or brain or whatever, is almost incapable of distinguishing between the real and the vividly imagined experience. Sound and film and music and radio. Even these manipulative experiences are received more or less directly and uninterpreted by the mind. They are cataloged and recorded and either acted upon directly, or stored in the memory, or both. Now this process, unless we pay it tremendous attention, begins to separate us from the reality of the now. Am I being clear? For we must allow the reality of the now to just happen, as it happens. Observe and act with clarity. For where there is clarity, there is no choice. And were there is choice, there is misery. But then, why should I speak, since I know nothing?

  107. That explains Slashdot! by Zalbik · · Score: 1

    "The secret to happiness is low expectations."

    This entirely explains slashdot!

    The terrible beta. The inability to handle Unicode. The annoying embedded ads, the blatant "product placement" articles, and the atrocious editing of submissions.

    They are just trying to set our expectations really really low.

    Slashdot just wants us to be happy :-)

  108. 30 Kinds of Jam? Sure. by hey! · · Score: 2

    If I walk into the gourmet grocery store and see they stock 30+ kinds of jam, I'm happy. I know that I don't like marmalade in general, but I do like whiskey marmalade; so when I see blood orange whiskey marmalade I'll give it a try. If it proves to be a bad choice, it's no big deal.

    I'd say satisfaction with choice is mostly a function of the effort you need to make what you feel is a good enough choice. If you walk into the optician and you already know you want black plastic wayfarer frames with rivets at the temple, then you're glad that they've got enough of a selection to stock the Classic Nerd line. If you have no idea what you want on your face then you'd be happier with a store that offered you a choice of two or three frames. In fact if you study what a successful clerk in an optical megastore does, she (usually) steers you toward only two or three frames out of the scores of styles they offer.

    Contrast selecting from 30+ jams with selecting from 30+ health plans, where the best choice depends on the unknowable (how unlucky will I be this year?), the difficult to know (what is my likelihood of using each of these particular healthcare services?) and the need-an-expert-to-know-for-you (what do all these provisos in the small print mean?).

    Years ago I worked as lead developer for a small company developing a vertical market app in an industry that had never been automated before (then a very common scenario). The boss had a simple and seemingly fool-proof marketing scheme, based on commonsense psychology: to maximize sales volume he'd keep prices surprisingly low and to entice buyers he'd give them lots of options for how to configure the system exactly for their needs. Since this was a small company I often went to industry meetings to help out at the vendor booth, and I quickly realized that that commonsense psychology was at variance with actual psychology. People who were used to spending tens of thousands of dollars of equipment would find out that they could, in theory, get started with our software for as little as $200 and lose interest. People who didn't lose interest were quickly overwhelmed with the complexity of figuring out which items they needed to buy from the al la carte menu.

    So I proposed this change: combine all those choices into a single entry-level package that would cost a typical customer $10K - $20K, including all the options they'd be likely to use and all the services they'd need to get up and running. It took a year of financial struggle for the boss to decide he was willing to take a cut in sales volume for a boost in profit margins. But when we made the change sales volumes actually went up. People who used to walk by our $200 offering would ask why it was suddenly more expensive, and then I'd show them what they got for $10K but the decision would be simple: is this a good deal or not? And since it was a good deal a lot of them bought, and became good long-term customers for training, consulting services and data.

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  109. This is fucking bullshit by oldmac31310 · · Score: 0

    Fuck off soulskill you goddamn fuckwit.

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  110. It's a good thing, but it is stressful by TarpaKungs · · Score: 1

    20+ years ago, if you were rewiring your lights (UK), you'd buy one of these:
    http://www.diyhowto.co.uk/images/projects/lightjb1.jpg

    Available in white and black (or dark brown) and 4 or 6 terminal versions.

    Now, you have those, all manner of cute enclosures, Wago terminals, DIN terminals, Wago DIN terminals.
    Waterproof ones, ones with cable clamps, ones that will fit through a downlighter hole...

    Some of the products are very nice - and if you are like me, you are always seeking to "make the best choice" - the most robust product, easiest to work with etc.

    It's a good thing - but instead of just getting on with it, people like me spend some time reviewing the options, unwilling to choose the least optimal for an installation that might last 40 years.

    That's a very specialist area. Now multiply that into every area of your life.

    I had a plumber in the other week to fit a couple of bigger radiators. As one has to hang partly on plasterboard (sheetrock), I gave hime some of my favourite fixings:

    http://gripitfixings.co.uk/

    He's never seen them before - but was hugely impressed. Doing some carpentry? Used to be: "Screws - number 6-14, brass or steel, countersunk, raised head or roundhead.

    By god, look at a screw catalogue now - there's a screw for every occasion.

    So yes, it can get stressful, if you care and are an "optimiser" like me. OTOH, I don't care what bread I buy - if it's crap, I 'll buy a different loaf next week!

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    Why can't women be like Hedy Lamarr - beautiful, talented and inventors of frequency-hopping spread-spectrum techn
  111. Re: programming languages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Relentless growth relies on a large subset of the buying public being able to make poor decisions on what to buy,
    > then having to replace that item shortly thereafter. This choice reduction seems like some commie nonsense to me.

    This being slashdot, you are presumably thinking of programming languages? Would be a lot better if we only had COBOL 'n FORTRAN, and maybe a little of that PL/1 stuff. Visual Basic was the beginning of the end of rationality; just too much choice about what to do with it. Or am I thinking of PERL? One or the other, anyway.

  112. Difference by Jiro · · Score: 1

    Jam choices are partly just the existence oif different brands, and partly things that actually matter to consumers: seeded or seedless, what fruit the jam uses, etc.

    Having 150 pension plan choices, new car options, etc. is done so that the seller can squeeze as much money as they possibly can out of the customers by presenting choices such that consumers will pick the one that brings the most profit. There is no motive for manufacturers to hide the fact that one jam is made with peaches and another made with strawberries. There *is* a motive to make it as difficult as possible for the consumer to determine which pension plan or car actually meets his needs in order to induce him to get one which is low value for him (and thus high value for the provider or dealership).

    These are fundamentally different sorts of "too much choice". People are stressed out by jam choices because they are idiots. People are stressed out by pension plan choices because it is in everyone else's interests that they are stressed out.

  113. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Which is about 90% of the catalogue...

  114. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    Caveat emptor has been around for thousands of years. I wouldn't bes urprised if primates practiced something like this also.

  115. American short sightedness strikes again by Bruce66423 · · Score: 1

    Whilst the American political experience has followed this pattern, if you go and look at the long established small democracies of Europe, you find a very different pattern; PR has enabled specific interest groups to remain outside the large parties and influence government policy more effectively for their particular interests as a result. The text book example of this is Israel where religious parties have ratcheted up the expenditure on Yeshiva and added more and more religiously inspired restrictions on life by selling their MPs' votes to the party most willing to do what they want. Another example lies in the role of Agrarian parties in achieving farm subsidies, whilst the present anti-migrant parties' growth is frightening the rulers around Europe.

  116. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by oldmac31310 · · Score: 0

    I don't like grape. Problem solved?

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  117. secret to happiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keeping expectations low really does help with happiness, but its not without its side effects.

  118. Hick's Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called Hick's Law.

  119. decisions, decisions by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Well, if a few dozen bread brands frighten you, the germans couldn't get anything done because they can't decide which one of the 1500 different bread they should eat for breakfast while the french don't know which one of their 3000+ cheeses they should put on the bread.

  120. And a what is theese one? by ZecretZquirrel · · Score: 1
  121. Raspberry Jam by irrational_design · · Score: 1

    "do we really need 30 types of jam on a store shelf?" No, we just need Raspberry Jam. The remainder can be discarded.

  122. Coffee by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Do you really want to go back to just "coffee" when you can order a "Venti, sugar-free, non-fat, vanilla soy, quadrupio shot, decaf, no foam, extra hot, Peppermint White Chocolate Mocha with extra light whip and double shot raspberry syrup"?

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    Just another day in Paradise
    1. Re:Coffee by bre_dnd · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I'm that guy that just orders a double espresso. I'd be happy with fresh black filter coffee too.

  123. Pension? by mcscary13 · · Score: 1

    The summary mentions choice of pensions. What the fark is a pension? Never heard of this before.

  124. Trader Joe's by LunaticTippy · · Score: 2

    One of my favorite stores has been doing this since before I was born. TJ's doesn't have many choices, but they tend to have stuff I like. They only have a single choice for many many items. It is generally a good price, good quality, and not a major brand.

    I really like it because I am not supporting all the stupid advertising, it saves me money, and I get to eat good stuff without wasting brain power on picking out which goddamn brand of peanut butter is least idiotic.

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    Man, you really need that seminar!
  125. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by sjames · · Score: 1

    Agreed. Jam is nothing to get stressed about. The problem is the confuseopoly choices. Do you want the health insurance that has X deductable and Y copay except on alternate Tuesdays when a moose bellows between 2 and 3 A.M. in Montreal (according to the insurance company) or do you want 2X deductable bur Y/2 copay except when a gator growls next to the company's offices in Florida. OH, btw, here's the list of 26.2 million exceptions for plan 1, and this is the 26 million exceptions in plan 2. Now if you will turn to page 10,672, 3rd paragraph, you can find the address to write to if you want the 5 volume set of what things don't count full price towards your deductable for plans 1 - 987, but for ......

    THAT causes stress.

  126. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have lead a remarkably sheltered life if you think the average family can afford to try a bunch of different brands each day of the week.

  127. Retailers could help solve this by macraig · · Score: 1

    Would it be too much to ask that retailers, those lovable middlemen, help solve this problem? Compared to individual consumers, retailers have vast analytical resources at their disposal. They are in a much better position than consumers to discriminate the good and best from the absolute worst and simply refuse to sell the latter to consumers at all, thus reducing the collective analytical headache. They don't do this. Instead they often consider only their potential profit margin and sell what nets them the greatest margin, regardless of the relative quality of the product. That also produces headaches for consumers as we try to divine the best values for our dollars and avoid the usurious markups. The blame can't all be laid at the feet of manufacturers.

  128. Dumbfucks abound by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some dickhead goes to school, memorizes curriculum, gets some "hypothetical title" of psychologist, and tries to sell (advocate) a story about choice is bad.

    Choice is a byproduct of free society. If 30 jams weren't feasible, it is a self-correcting condition. They are on the shelves for monetary gain not as charitable donations. If they don't sell, they aren't re-stocked there long.

    Comparing that to pension funds? With this retarded shit ""The secret to happiness is low expectations."

    Barry Schwartz does not lift. Learn this Barry: "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want".

    Pension plans make paperwork careers for people who don't actually produce shit. Using the hypothetical example of "150 pension plans, who needs it?", good old Barry-bar fails to mention why there are 150 plans. Of the 150, there are 150 bundled ways to siphon from the beneficiary. Instead of saying you don't need so many, you should say this one leeches off of you the least and these leech more but with gimmicks. You don't need less choice, you need less dishonest people.

    http://www.pensionrights.org/publications/fact-sheet/what-happens-when-pension-transferred-insurance-company

    Imagine the same argument for computer Operating Systems. say... You don't need 1,000 Operating Systems. Just Microsoft. You're fucked. You chose to get rid of choice. Now it's 100% spyware/malware/adware with "updates" in which they don't tell you what the fuck code they add or remove. To what extent is it spyware, adware, and malware? All keystrokes go to mother-ship. Your voice too. Passwords and encryption keys too. They won't tell you what's in your "updates" either. Advertisements in the start menu. Lying fucks first sold to you, then sold you. Globally.

    Linux? You have choices for everything. Every distro, and every app, you have a choice. How much choice? All choice. Every choice. You can grab the source code and compile it to only run software for that specific machine if you want to. But, you don't have to. On behalf of end-users, default versions of software in Linux are chosen. You don't even have to use the defaults. But you can. Being that it is open source, people worldwide can and do look at the actual code... even if you don't. This is why cyberspace is generally all Linux already. Name it, it's probably Linux or a variant like Android.

    There are many ways to get from Oregon to Florida. Oh my, we need a psychologist to spew some emotional platitudes about it first... then we realize... damn, it's nice to be able to choose which way to go. But wouldn't everybody just stay in Oregon? Not unless they wanted to. Some may take a ship and go the long way.

    Choice is good. From jams on the shelf to pension plans... (disingenuous comparison)... it is still good.

    Don't let anybody ever fucking tell you it isn't.. like this "story" did. If somebody is telling you choice is bad, kick them in the nuts.

  129. Trader Joe's does, in fact, advertise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone in my neighborhood gets a pamphlet in the mail from Trader Joe's that looks like it was made by the guy from Wondermark. Conveniently it's made out of a sort of paper that makes good fire starters, and mercifully only comes once per month, but they are definitely advertising.

    1. Re:Trader Joe's does, in fact, advertise. by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      OK you are correct. Allow me to be more specific. I'm not supporting all the stupid advertising that has been invented within the last 100 years such as radio, television, internets, bus benches, skywriting, ad infinitum. I sort of like costco for various reasons, but when I shop there I'm often forced to buy a name brand that advertises and it gives me an icky feeling.

      I use the fearless flyer to start fires as well btw.

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      Man, you really need that seminar!
  130. The dour truth of the matter is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that the most effective treatment for the advocacy of less choice is ballistic trauma.

    FTFY

  131. The dour truth of the matter is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that college poisoning is a hazard to life, liberty and property.

  132. Not enough choice stresses me out much more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too much choice stresses out the one-size-fits all simpletons.

  133. Re:Capitalism and cripple-to-option by valnar · · Score: 0

    There is some value with having people who are more informed than you make SOME of the decisions. You trust that their expertise will help you. It's why 401K plans work at businesses. They've already picked 12 good mutual funds; you don't need to wade through a hundred of them.

    If I had to choose between a hundred different options, in every aspect of my life, I might get overwhelmed too.

  134. Re:Trader Joe's (BJs too) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've felt the same about Bjs wholesale club too. Besides the bulk discounts, way fewer choices than a typical grocery store and I know I'm likely getting it at a good price. I do most my shopping there (well except their fresh veggies sometimes are not great). There is a market for places like this who can do some of the reviewing/selection for you and reduce the number of choices. ...coming from someone too often plagued with analysis paralysis!

  135. No by fozzy1015 · · Score: 1

    I always pick item[0]

  136. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thank for information...i like

  137. Feature Creep was a big topic .. in 2007 by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

    I still have articles posted from the New Yorker and the Wall Street Journal, in 2007, about how many returned technical products worked fine, but customers hadn't been able to get them to work as expected and were convinced that they were faulty. So . . . . . not news.