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Clinton Campaign Chair: 'The American People Can Handle The Truth' On UFOs (usatoday.com)
An anonymous reader writes: In what seems like an April Fools' Day prank story but is surprisingly real, Hillary Clinton's campaign chair, John Podesta, says that he has convinced Hillary Clinton to declassify as many documents as possible related to Area 51 and UFOs. On the matter of alien visitation, Clinton has previously stated that "I think we may have been [visited already]. We don't know for sure." Meanwhile, Democratic rival Bernie Sanders has been dismissive of UFO talk. And on the other side of the isle, everyone surely already knows how likely Republican nominee Donald Trump feels about illegal aliens.
"The U.S. government could do a much better job in answering the quite legitimate questions that people have about what's going on with unidentified aerial phenomena," said John Podesta, who was also a chief of staff to President Bill Clinton.
ANY truth out of that campaign would be a breath of fresh air, so it might as well be about the lack of aliens. Which of course nobody who thinks there's hidden information will believe, so they might as well lie about that, too.
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It's just an aircraft test area. I am sure they are happy letting clowns claim mysterious UFOs with strange capabilities -- the more to scare the Rooskies with. Who, by the way, are the only ones who don't think those are real UFOs.
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She is just trying to get votes. 50% of Americans believe we have been visited by extraterrestrials, that is a large voter base worth going after. It takes very little effort for her to make a campaign promise like this that she does not even need to keep. And, garners her potential votes that could tip the scale when it comes time for the election. Welcome to politics 101.
Yeah, it made me want that phone, and I can still remember people thinking that it was as cool as the Firebird popup headlights.
But no. People can't handle the truth about Global Warming and cardboard pretenders to the Presidency... so no, alien life would be widely interpreted as the promised return to earth of someone's religious savior.
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Are you high? This is a presidential campaign, the very LAST thing people can handle here or would possibly expect is any kind of truth!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
About one-tenth of the time, Hillary Clinton seems to me to say things that aren't logical, or don't make much sense.
Face it, any fool can ask questions. Asking questions is not difficult. Answering it is difficult, and it is impossible to wake up someone pretending to be asleep.
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No, he was talking about the other side of the isle. Pen Island, to be exact, where they sell pens online through penisland.com
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Clinton Campaign Chair: 'The American People Can Handle The Truth' On UFOs
Handle the truth that, actually, it's a lot of fuss about nothing that was whipped up into a pop-culture thing for a while and still keeps a few radio hosts in business, but actually has no substance to it and never did? Yeah, they can probably handle that.
Thing is, the ones who actually care at all won't (want to) believe it.
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Instead of bothering with UFO's, why not deal with things like:
* What was being discussed between Clinton and Goldman Sachs?
* What role did her husband have with supporting a known rapist on a certain Caribbean island?
* What is the truth in the matters of oddly convenient "suicides" like Vince Foster?
* What is the truth in the matters of Benghazi, given that they wanted the Ambassador dead?
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on why she's bothering with this silliness? I wonder if it's to inject a sense of hope for the future back into American politics. Americans are still blitheringly optimistic but at the same time a large portion of the electorate seems to have given up on the idea of progress. At best their conservative ("don't change _anything_") and at worst regressive ("Back to the good old days"... that never really exists... especially if you weren't white and male). Remember when space was a thing? When science was going to give us a 10 hour work week? When disease was going to be a thing of the past? People aren't really working towards big goals anymore.
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What a maniacally egotistical nation, that thinks it is so special that aliens would visit them rather than contact the majority of humanity, which resides in Asia, first.
I gather that Clinton and friends have crunched the numbers a believe that there is enough votes amongst those on the fringes of reality to risk making a fool of herself?
I personally go with the last option.
John Podesta, who was also a chief of staff to President Bill Clinton and CEO of an organization implicated by the Panama Papers.
UFO's are just a distraction compared to recent events.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
I don't expect much from the submitters and editors here, but it's kind of pathetic to see jabs like the "And on the other side of the isle, everyone surely already knows how likely Republican nominee Donald Trump feels about illegal aliens." one in the summary.
Of course, "isle" should be "aisle", but that's not the editorial problem I'm referring to here.
It's the unnecessary attack on Trump that just isn't needed or valuable here.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with Trump's position on illegal aliens. Upholding America's immigration and citizenship laws is something that a great many Americans feel is extremely important.
Even if left-leaning folks, like the submitter and perhaps the editors here, don't like Trump, they're going to have to accept that Trump is very likely going to be the next President of the United States of America.
A majority of Americans do support him now, and will support him during the election, even if they can't publicly admit it at this time.
In fact, by resorting to such pathetic jabs on such a constant basis, those on the left are actually driving more and more people to support Trump for President. These normal Americans are getting tired of leftists shitting all over American values and American laws. These normal Americans are getting tired of the disrespect that the left so often directs at them. These normal Americans are going to elect President Trump.
So, basically, she's the polar opposite of Trump?
Log in or piss off.
I personally really, highly doubt that our government has anything revelatory or unprecedented to say about the fullest extent of their knowledge about visits by E.T.
I'm not going to go all-out and say we've never been visited. Personally I've stuck most of my life with the ideal (while fully acknowledging it as idealistic) that until you know for sure one way or the other, most proposed limits to possible phenomena in the universe deserve a 50/50 consideration. That is, it's just as likely said phenomenon doesn't exist as it does.
That being said, I've seen or experienced firsthand -- well outside of controlled or manipulable environments -- evidence of things such as "ghosts" and ESP, things that are supposed to be impossible in the constraints contemporary to our modern, scientific dogma.
However, I've never seen one shred of evidence for the visitation of extraterrestrials on Earth. I know several people who swear up and down that they were visited, or that they have "missing time" surrounding events that they believe strongly suggest a visitation -- lights in the sky before "blacking out and disappearing for two days", etc. I'm not going to discredit those sorts of claims. But nothing I've seen or experienced has shifted me off of "my 50/50" regarding E.T.
So if you said "the government has deep files with proof -- PROOF! -- of ghosts" or of any other thing that I'm no longer strictly 50/50 about, I'd say "man, I'd love to see that!" If we could take some arbitrary ratio like 90/10 regarding something like ghosts, I could say I 80% believe somebody else somewhere has had similar experiences and maybe even found a way to form concrete evidence out of them. But regarding E.T. I can't say I can lend even 1% of credence to claims that the government is hiding anything from us.
More likely, the government knows fully well that either:
A) there is no evidence of any E.T. visits to Earth since the foundation of the United States, or at least going back as far as 1920; ... or ...
B) that there is "compelling, yet inconclusive" evidence for same.
Either way, there's nothing to say that the government doesn't see something lucrative in allowing people to:
1. believe what they want to believe without threat to those beliefs, no matter how deluded, far-out, or insane;
2. believe specific things that benefit the government to have them believe.
It's not impossible -- in fact it's somewhat likely -- that the U.S. government (whoever that is we're talking about, whatever agency, etc.) could actually *gain* something by having people believe that the U.S. government knows for sure that there has been an E.T. visit to Earth, even if the truth is that the U.S. government has no reason to believe that there ever has.
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ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
Just as long as they come in through the front front door and not the ceiling or time portal. You know, legal, safe, and rare and all that...
"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Yeah, this PLANET might have already been visited by extra-terrestrial intelligences. But the odds are very, very slim.
And even slimmer are the odds that we (as a species) were visited.
And even slimmer still that our government has collected any information on.
And even still slimmer that our government would manage to keep such a secret.
This is an entertaining hail mary to try and distract from the various investigations, emails, and fundraising transcripts etc. "We'll be transparent, we promise! The American people *deserve* to know about UFO's." The meeting where some intern came up with this idea had to be followed by "It's so crazy it might just work!"
Didn't agents Scully and Mulder work for the FBI? And didn't they want to believe? And isn't the FBI investigating Clinton? ....
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We can't handle the truth. Our society is getting DUMBER, not smarter. We can't handle the thought of beings from beyond arriving. There would be cults worshipping them, cults demonizing them (this ALREADY happens in certain major religions, claiming UFO's are the work of Satan.) And suicides and suicide cults and people wanting to marry them within an hour of meeting them.
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Why not release it all? "as spossible" just allows for restrictions. Even if we release everything up to 1996, that's still 20-year old tech. Ok, 1986, - year old tech... All the juicy alien stuff was super to happen before then.
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MOST LIKELY, he noticed just like I did, that googling his name puts UFO ranked higher. So he is trying to influence his google ranking to have recent UFO related results attached to his name rather than Panama.
I remember Bill Clinton's Chief of staff over a decade ago talking about how he looked into UFOs early into Bill's years in office and Bill told him to see if he could find anything. In the interview I remember him saying he found nothing but also felt like he was getting the run around by the system. This is either still a thing for him or it is a tactic being employed again.
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Aren't there more important things that are not being exposed. How about speeches to Wall St. and Clinton Foundation donations. Also, what about the running of the private email server. Let's get a priority here as to stuff that gets classified over political whims and stuff that they sweep under the rug with disinformation.
I'm a political moderate seeing both sides delivering more bull to the press to avoid discussing real hard issues and choices.
They'll do anything to shift focus away from their lack of honest governance on things that actually matter.
I heard Buzz Aldrin (one of the few people to have walked on the moon) on DC news radio the other day talking about moon monoliths. I thought he was talking about Earth's moon, but some googling shows he's talking about a monolith on one of Mars' moons, if that's what he was referring to. He explicitly talked about off-world life forms - aliens - as well.
So that's interesting - Hillary talking about extraterrestrial life, as well as Aldrin talking about it, around the same time.
I do think there's extraterrestrial life (Stephen Hawking has said trying to contact extraterrestrial life is a bad idea), but conventional wisdom says it's impossible for it to have found us, as our understanding of physics and engineering says it would not be possible to traverse interstellar and intergalactic distances in reasonable timeframes.
How about speeches to Wall St. and Clinton Foundation donations. Also, what about the running of the private email server.
What about Donald Trump's tax records?
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Probably a very good point. I haven't listened to her in a long time. I understand she has gotten worse.
Can you imagine the wall Donald Trump would want built if he believed extra terrestrials were real? I'd kind of like to hear him explain how he would get them to pay for the construction costs.
I think Hillary is the least bad option this season, but what is it with her and classified information? Do we really want her to reveal the "truth," which likely has nothing to do with aliens and everything to do with our own experimental military technology?
Why even humans?
So long. And thanks for all the fish.
Have gnu, will travel.
Shut it down!
Have gnu, will travel.
Instead of bothering with UFO's, why not deal with things like:
* What was being discussed between Clinton and Goldman Sachs?
* What role did her husband have with supporting a known rapist on a certain Caribbean island?
* What is the truth in the matters of oddly convenient "suicides" like Vince Foster?
* What is the truth in the matters of Benghazi, given that they wanted the Ambassador dead?
Adding to your list, I have a question: how is this not a conflict of interest?
The campaign chair of someone running for president convinces the secretary of state to declassify documents in order to boost the campaign?
How is this not a conflict of interest?
Should the Secretary of State make declassification decisions based on the state of her campaign?
Beyond conflict of interest, how is this not outright illegal?
If she's going off into UFOs and magic pyramids now, I'd LOVE to hear her debate Ron Paul, perhaps in Haight Ashbury.
Everything about UFOs was already released.
It's a cheap way to sound like she believes in transparency when, of course, she doesn't.
The first estimate I saw on Google for the cost to deport someone was about $28k. There are eleven million illegal immigrants in the US. That's slightly less than the population of Ohio, the seventh largest state. What's your plan to deal with that?
Conservatives are generally not fond of increasing taxes, increased government intrusion, or "big government", so your plan should probably avoid any of those things. I'm personally not a huge fan of having lots of police around whose job is to hassle anyone with the wrong skin color, and definitely not so enamored of the idea that I want a lot more of it.
The problem with Trump's "position" is that it's just posturing. You can't even argue with his position because even he doesn't know what he's saying. He's just playing upon the sympathies of racists, and not letting himself get trapped into making any campaign promises which he won't be able to keep. The Republican party also knows that this is a lost cause, which is why their platform makes no mention of deportation, and never will. Eventually some form of amnesty will be necessary, and fortunately for both parties, none of this nonsense will apply to the second generation. Personally I'm hoping that the citizens of this country will one day stop being racist jerks, but it seems deeply embedded into our culture -- more's the pity.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
If the Republicans can't accept a black man in the White House
Says the person who apparently can't remember it was only recently Ben Carson dropped out, a widely respected candidate who was surgeon... and oh by the way happened to be black.
It never boggles the mind how someone intelligent enough to type can confuse being against a persons ideal rather than the color of his or her skin. But these days all democrats can see is color or gender, ideas being utterly incomprehensible to them. To you Democrats it is all appearance now, never about deeds or substance any longer. And in the end isn't that the worst possible kind of racism? I would take some southern hick any day over your modern progressive racism...
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Vote for Hillary and learn the truth about UFOs ! Now, I have seen it all. Also, I don't trust her to actually tell me.
This is not exaggeration. John Podesta is literally (not figuratively) a registered lobbyist for Vladamir Putin's bank, as shown by the recently released Panama Papers:
Russia’s biggest bank uses The Podesta Group as its lobbyist in Washington, D.C. Though hardly a household name, this firm is well known inside the Beltway, not least because its CEO is Tony Podesta, one of the best-connected Democratic machers in the country. He founded the firm in 1998 with his brother John, formerly chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, then counselor to President Barack Obama, Mr. Podesta is the very definition of a Democratic insider. Outsiders engage the Podestas and their well-connected lobbying firm to improve their image and get access to Democratic bigwigs.
Which is exactly what Sberbank, Russia’s biggest financial institution, did this spring. As reported at the end of March, the Podesta Group registered with the U.S. Government as a lobbyist for Sberbank, as required by law, naming three Podesta Group staffers: Tony Podesta plus Stephen Rademaker and David Adams, the last two former assistant secretaries of state. It should be noted that Tony Podesta is a big-money bundler for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign while his brother John is the chairman of that campaign, the chief architect of her plans to take the White House this November.
Sberbank (Savings Bank in Russian) engaged the Podesta Group to help its public image—leading Moscow financial institutions not exactly being known for their propriety and wholesomeness—and specifically to help lift some of the pain of sanctions placed on Russia in the aftermath of the Kremlin’s aggression against Ukraine, which has caused real pain to the country’s hard-hit financial sector.
It’s hardly surprising that Sberbank sought the help of Democratic insiders like the Podesta Group to aid them in this difficult hour, since they clearly understand how American politics work. The question is why the Podesta Group took Sberbank’s money. That financial institution isn’t exactly hiding in the shadows—it’s the biggest bank in Russia, and its reputation leaves a lot to be desired. Nobody acquainted with Russian finance was surprised that Sberbank wound up in the Panama Papers.
Though Sberbank has its origins in the nineteenth century, it was functionally reborn after the Soviet collapse, and it the 1990s it grew to be the dominant bank in the country, today controlling nearly 30 percent of Russia’s aggregate banking assets and employing a quarter-million people. The majority stockholder in Sberbank is Russia’s Central Bank. In other words, Sberbank is functionally an arm of the Kremlin, although it’s ostensibly a private institution.
And yes, he's Hillary Clinton's campaign manager. no conflict of interest there...
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Is this stunt anything other than an attempt to distract the press and public from the damaging combination of Bill Clinton's recent ugly interaction with the African-American movement of the moment (which is a dig on the current crop of youngsters with their millisecond attention span and utter ignorance of history; while in office Bill Clinton was called America's first Black President, that's how close he was to the black vote), and the ties with dirty money that the Clintons have that are being revealed in the Panama Papers?
I mean, seriously, UFOs? Is that anything other than a Hail Mary pass?
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What about your tax returns?
I'm not running for POTUS.
They're a private matter between Trump and the IRS.
Hillary disagrees.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/tax-returns/
All they'd really show is that he's an amazingly successful business man with far more real-world experience in running successful enterprises than any other candidate left, which everyone already knows.
If that was so, why didn't Mitt Romney released his tax returns in 2012. I'm still curious as to how he got $100M into an IRA account.
Trump thing is that people want to vote for the most destructive candidate to fuck the system due how corrupt and anti-population it is at the moment.
That said, he's totally winning it when he reveals his plans to convert the moon into an anti immigration security system with potential to blow entire planets.
They fly, and we don't know what they are. Otherwise they'd be UOs or FOs or even just Os.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
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I have no doubt at all hundreds of people can actually witness a real UFO from another world and nobody would care or believe it. It would drown under the noise of Venus, aircraft sightings, weather, flares, hoaxes and accounts of those not exactly operating on all thrusters.
Most of the UFO stories Area 51 included are nonsense but there were always a few interesting jems..
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UFOs exist and there are plenty of them - depending on your ability to identify flying objects. Is it flying? Yes? Can you identify it? No? Then it's the UFO. I served at several military airports and I've seen plenty.
br>The declassification time for military aircraft is typically 10-20 years. There will obviously be a whole lot of UFOs flying around...
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Depends on your definition of "is".
Also, definitions of "green", "bitch", "sex", "have" and "avocado".
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Reporter Daymond Steer told Cameron that "Bernie had no interest in the UFO question and gave me a flippant response." His 'flippant response' is not reported so we cannot judge for ourselves. I would have been tempted to say in his place something like "Oh, grow up. I can't release secret documents that don't exist. If I don't release them, you say I am hiding them. There are much more important issues, and I will not be distracted by this". I expect Bernie was a little smarter and a bit less knee-jerky than that; but he can't win and be sensible on this issue, and he opted for sensible. If that is being 'dismissive', we could do with a bit more.
It's a disturbingly plausible idea that Trump's hair is actually an alien brain parasite.
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I don't give a flying fuck if ET has visited us, unless they want to help us figure our shit out. Short of that, they're welcome to visit, buy some trinkets, experience our culture, and find out how easy earth girls are. I'll just be trying to make sure the servers are working when they try to buy something online, and they're welcome to send me an email if it's not, and then I'll just submit a change ticket to fix the issue, and then they'll send another email after the fix has been implemented because now something else broke, and I'll have to submit another change ticket to fix that too, and then they'll get food poisoning at Chipotle's, and refuse to come back after all of that, and give 1 star reviews on Yelp for earth.
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We will learn how they plan to save their dying planet by giving us anal probes. With this information, we will be able to harness our colonic resources to end AGW.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
It's a disturbingly plausible idea that Trump's hair is actually an alien brain parasite.
obviously it has tapped out its host's brain resources and this whole presidential campaign is some sort of plot to find a new host.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Aren't there more important things that are not being exposed. How about speeches to Wall St. and Clinton Foundation donations. Also, what about the running of the private email server. Let's get a priority here as to stuff that gets classified over political whims and stuff that they sweep under the rug with disinformation.
I'm a political moderate seeing both sides delivering more bull to the press to avoid discussing real hard issues and choices.
"speeches to Wall St. and Clinton Foundation donations" aren't a problem without some sort of quid for that quo. And the private email server? Really? After the State Dept official server is shown to have been hacked, and the FBI server is shown to have been hacked, but there is no evidence that Clinton's server was ever hacked, you'd think she'd get a pat on the back.
but you're right, "both sides delivering more bull to the press to avoid discussing real hard issues and choices". It's always been that way. Most voters don't have the resources to cogitate on hard issues and choices.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.