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Burr-Feinstein Anti-Encryption Bill Is Officially Released (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: Senators Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein released the official version of their anti-encryption bill today after a draft appeared online last week. The bill, titled the Compliance with Court Orders Act 2016, would require tech firms to decrypt customers' data at a court's request. The bill is not expected to get anywhere in the Senate. President Obama has also indicated that he will not support the bill, Reuters reports. The bill requires legislation requires communications services to backdoor their encryption in order to provide "intelligible information or data, or appropriate technical assistance to obtain such information or data." Sen. Feinstein stated, "The bill we have drafted would simply provide that, if a court of law issues an order to render technical assistance or provide decrypted data, the company or individual would be required to do so. Today, terrorists and criminals are increasingly using encryption to foil law enforcement efforts, even in the face of a court order. We need strong encryption to protect personal data, but we also need to know when terrorists are plotting to kill Americans."

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  1. Uh huh... by EmeraldBot · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the US, just over 3,000 people have died of terrorist attacks. In 21 years. How many millions die from car crashes alone each year? Are we going to start improving our public transit? No, of course not, because that's not the sexy ratings our senators here want.

    The really sad part isthat these are people who voted in, they are not dictators or such. A majority of people are actually stupid enough to vote for such idiots, and it makes me wonder where our future is headed. Given the rather extreme views that have become fashionable over the last year, I don't think it's too far off we'll soon be looking at the level of control shown in Russia today. I sure hope it was worth losing our privacy, safety, and fundamental values to save us from those "evil terrorists", who haven't played a role in 99.999% of the population. Might I point out, that's not an exaggeration.

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    1. Re:Uh huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your argument is illogical. Tremendous amounts of money have been spent trying to make cars safer. Laws regulating driving and car safety are stricter than ever. Just because terrorism kills far fewer people doesn't mean significant effort shouldn't be expended to prevent it. By your logic, I could point out that people being killed from asteroid impacts is extremely rare, therefore there's no point in scientists cataloging near Earth objects and planning how such a collision could be avoided. There are real reasons to support encryption that doesn't have backdoors. For one, far fewer resources from law enforcement will be used to investigate and punish criminals who exploit those backdoors. Also, such laws reduce the amount of freedom in society. A free society is a healthier, more creative, and more productive society.

    2. Re:Uh huh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the US, just over 3,000 people have died of terrorist attacks. In 21 years. How many millions die from car crashes alone each year?

      Posting because that crashes number is so far off... in most years, somewhere in the neighborhood of 25,000 to 30,000 people die in car crashes in the U.S. Still a hell of a lot more than terrorists kill, and you have a good point. Many more Americans will be killed by mundane items in their daily lives, like, say, hamburgers, than ever will be by terrorists.

    3. Re:Uh huh... by skegg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Heck, we know more people die every year:

          - in backyard swimming pools
          - from bee stings
          - from peanut allergies

      than from terrorism.

      But of course, we also know this isn't about preventing terrorism.

    4. Re:Uh huh... by sumdumass · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This is just a rehash of the tire make the military hold a bake sale for their F16.

      Terrorism spending is defense spending and that is actually a constitutional responsibility where health care spending is not. If they stopped spending on defense or terrorism, the funds would either be spent on other constitutional responsibilities or not spent at all. Likely the later due to the fact that we are borrowing the money in the first place.

      I'm not opposed to health care spending but we need/should have a constitutional mandate if done on the federal level. So either convince your state or work on a constitutional amendment.

    5. Re:Uh huh... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Heck, we know more people die every year:

      - in backyard swimming pools
      - from bee stings
      - from peanut allergies

      Thank you very much! Here is my revised plan on how to deal with Dianne Feinstein:

      1. Force feed her Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.
      2. Smack a live beehive on her head. (She might look better, with a B-52 hairdo).
      3. Throw her into the swimming pool! If she weighs the same as a duck . . . she's a witch! Otherwise . . . we'll finally be rid of her.

      Shame on you, California, for you dishing up this monstrosity upon the world!

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    6. Re:Uh huh... by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are we going to start improving our public transit? No, of course not, because that's not the sexy ratings our senators here want.

      No?

      I think Feinstein is an evil hypocrite, in so many words, but California is doing more to promote public transportation than most states.

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    7. Re:Uh huh... by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Partially illogical, but not completely illogical.

      But terrorist actions serves to seed distrust among the population because we don't know which fellow humans that we can trust.

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    8. Re:Uh huh... by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      You should test Cruz, Trump and a lot of other politicians also...

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    9. Re:Uh huh... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Your argument is illogical. Tremendous amounts of money have been spent trying to make cars safer. Laws regulating driving and car safety are stricter than ever

      And yet very little effort is put into making the roads safer, in spite of the fact that many of them are under direct government control. Things like traffic light timings would be relatively easy to change and could have a big impact on road safety.

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    10. Re:Uh huh... by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      I think more to the point is that 0 people have died in the US due to terrorists who where aided by encryption. No terrorists will ever use encryption because the benefit (easier communication) does not outweigh the cost (being arrested/killed before performing the act). If you are a terrorist or member of organized crime then you can never ever be 100% sure that NSA, FBI et al cannot spy on everything that you do and in that line of work you do need to be 100% sure.

      For example here in Sweden the major organized crime faction is the bikers (Hells Angels and Bandidos) and they control big parts of drug distribution, prostitution and so on. We have learned from under cover cops that both of these groups have never ever trusted cell phones or the Internet, if they want to communicate they send a guy on a bike to deliver the message in person and cell phones are not even allowed to be brought in to meeting halls.

    11. Re:Uh huh... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I know how many of them I can trust. None.

    12. Re:Uh huh... by Holi · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I beg to differ, as the Constitution specifically mentions the general welfare of the nation in the same clause as defense.

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    13. Re:Uh huh... by houghi · · Score: 1

      Just a reminder that Hitler was elected too. But I doubt they would vote for him again. Whereas the senators are voted for again and again and again.

      Will anything change? No, because people will vote emotionally, not rationally. People will say: I will not vote for X, because he is from party A and I am against party A, even if he agrees with everything I want.

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    14. Re:Uh huh... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Well I just assign some default levels of trust in most cases and I find it work pretty well.
      TSA agent - I trust that they likely won't choke on their own tongue while I am in the security line
      Is in US House or Senate - No trust at all, should probably be placed in a padded room for their own protection
      Is in the state House or Senate - Very little trust but they likely don't need to be in a padded room
      Random guy on the street - Probably not going to hurt me
      Ass hole on the phone driving a car - I really need to install a train air horn in my car so dickhead can pay attention to the road instead

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    15. Re:Uh huh... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      If they stopped spending on defense or terrorism, the funds would either be spent on other constitutional responsibilities or not spent at all.

      The US government pisses away a lot of money on things and would likely do just that. Granted that report is from a right wing group but at the same time there are some pretty egregious things listed there.

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    16. Re:Uh huh... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      So should we build a bridge out of them then?

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    17. Re:Uh huh... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The short amber phase is dangerous, but the thing that amazes me is that a lot of US states have zero delay between the light going red in one direction and going green in the other. In the UK, that's been illegal for several decades and makes a noticeable difference to the number of accidents.

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    18. Re:Uh huh... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Informative

      I beg to differ, as the Constitution specifically mentions the general welfare of the nation in the same clause as defense.

      This is probably a big part of what's wrong with our country today - people who grew up not understanding the basics of the Constitution. On both "sides of the aisle", by the way.

      Let's look at the Constitution. The preamble mentions the general welfare:

      We the people of the United States, in order to:
      1. form a more perfect union
      2. establish justice
      3. insure domestic tranquility
      4. provide for the common defense
      5. promote the general welfare
      6. and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity
      do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

      This part isn't "law"; it's simply an introductory paragraph explaining their goals in creating the Constitution.

      Article I, Section 8 specifically enumerates the powers that are granted to Congress (which creates law) from the Constitution. It's short, so I'll include the entire thing:

      The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

      To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

      To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

      To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

      To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

      To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

      To establish post offices and post roads;

      To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

      To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

      To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

      To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

      To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

      To provide and maintain a navy;

      To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

      To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

      To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

      To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

      To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

      The line to which you refer actually explains that Congress can collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, and then to use that money to pay for the common defense and general welfare. "General welfare" isn't "healthcare" -

    19. Re:Uh huh... by TFlan91 · · Score: 1

      > A majority of people are actually stupid enough to vote for such idiots

      A majority of people don't vote.

      FTFY

    20. Re:Uh huh... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Well I just assign some default levels of trust in most cases and I find it work pretty well. TSA agent - I trust that they likely won't choke on their own tongue while I am in the security line

      That's a little higher than is deserved.

    21. Re:Uh huh... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "General welfare" isn't "healthcare" - not by a long shot. It's tied to national defense, or "common defense" as they put it.

      On what grounds do you base that claim? It seems like general welfare and defence are simply mentioning two separate things in that sentence, with no reason for them to be linked other than that they may both be paid for by taxation.

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    22. Re:Uh huh... by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Just put up a thick wall surrounding DC and you have solved a major problem.

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    23. Re:Uh huh... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      And fill it with water.

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    24. Re:Uh huh... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You are making the argument that congress (and the president, and the supreme court) are limited only to the powers enumerated in the constitution. That viewpoint was defeated in the early days of the Republic. You are echoing the ideas of the anti-federalists and Jeffersonian democracy. This was a really big argument at the time, actually.

      And the argument was largely settled, by the early republic, when even Jefferson himself as president was unable to follow that interpretation. So, it's good that you read the constitution, but you don't know history.

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    25. Re:Uh huh... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      I think more to the point is that 0 people have died in the US due to terrorists who where aided by encryption. No terrorists will ever use encryption because the benefit (easier communication) does not outweigh the cost (being arrested/killed before performing the act). If you are a terrorist or member of organized crime then you can never ever be 100% sure that NSA, FBI et al cannot spy on everything that you do and in that line of work you do need to be 100% sure.

      Using overt encryption is a sure fire way to stand out from the crowd and attract attention to your communications.

      People who really want to keep their communications private and not raise their profile use codes which appear to be plain text. Eg platen codes, which are computationally unbreakable and appear to be normal text.

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    26. Re:Uh huh... by Maritz · · Score: 1

      By your logic, I could point out that people being killed from asteroid impacts is extremely rare, therefore there's no point in scientists cataloging near Earth objects and planning how such a collision could be avoided.

      We don't spend even a thousandth of one percent of GDP on existential threats like asteroids. Way to make the dude's point for him.

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    27. Re:Uh huh... by Maritz · · Score: 2

      Yes. The problem for politicians is that it's difficult to turn high numbers of road deaths into a power-grab. It's difficult to argue that people should bend over and let government look their asshole because roads are bad. Now terrrrism on the other hand...

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    28. Re:Uh huh... by Maritz · · Score: 1

      No idea why you were modded as flamebait there. Perfectly true. It isn't about terrorism and never was. The people who shout loudest about terrorism gain the most when it happens.

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    29. Re:Uh huh... by serbanp · · Score: 1

      Hey, why are you singling out California? Most states elect at least one Rep. or Senator who are similar to Feinstein in batshit craziness.... some then develop dreams of grandeur (running for POTUS) so that their idiocy can be displayed on a large scale (Hi Florida! Howdy Texas!)

    30. Re:Uh huh... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      And sharks.

    31. Re:Uh huh... by eth1 · · Score: 1

      In the US, just over 3,000 people have died of terrorist attacks. In 21 years. How many millions die from car crashes alone each year? Are we going to start improving our public transit? No, of course not, because that's not the sexy ratings our senators here want.

      It's worse than that. I did some back-of-the-envelope calculations based on average yearly income, the amount of money spent on terror-triggered government spending, and the number of man hours wasted collectively due to such things as extra time spent at TSA checkpoints since 2001.

      The end result was that our voluntary reaction to 9/11 has caused us to flush the equivalent of about half a million lifetimes down the toilet (ie. $14 million == someone working 700,000 hours at average wages == one person wasting their life generating resources to pay for it). x3 if you limit them to working 8-hour days, and even more if you count the civilian casualties in the wars.

    32. Re:Uh huh... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Murder is legal then, because it doesn't say they're allowed to make laws saying it's illegal.

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    33. Re:Uh huh... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Actually, you will not find anyone prosecuted for murder by the feds unless it happens within their jurisdiction which they are allowed to make laws governing. Murder in your back yard is explicitly a state crime and explicitly prosecuted by the states unless you live on federal property, Indian land, or a territory or it somehow crosses state lines. .

    34. Re:Uh huh... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      No it is not. It is wording that more closely matches well being of the nation than the modern usage of welfare. It is meant to give guidance on the following powers it lists so that a congress couldn't frivilously waste the treasury.

    35. Re:Uh huh... by jasenj1 · · Score: 1

      And that's why the Constitution was designed to be amended. And why we've done it numerous times.

      Want the federal government to have new powers? Pass an amendment. Simple. Easy? Maybe not. But it (is supposed to) ensures that the feds don't go crazy doing things the States don't want them to.

    36. Re:Uh huh... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The short amber phase is for people to slow down because the light is about to turn red. If it just turned red, you'd have people slamming on their breaks at every light

      I think you misunderstood. I'm not suggesting removing the amber phase, I'm suggesting making it longer. In various places in the US (including Washington DC) it's been shortened to make more people accidentally run red lights and get fines.

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    37. Re:Uh huh... by avm · · Score: 1

      De fence is what keeps out de neighbor's dog. Defense is what you may need to resort to, if the bastard gets in anyway.

    38. Re:Uh huh... by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      It is worth money to protect against enemies of the nation.

      However, it is not work destroying their civil rights over it. No one has lost speech rights over the ability to ensure cars are safe. No one is at risk of secret surveillance.

      Also, the money should be spent in relation to what it is preventing. Are we saving as many people with one million dollars invested in car safety as we are with one million dollars of terrorist hunting?

      I'd agree that there is some minimum we should spend on threats like that, but should we be spending billions on terrorist threats? I think we're at a point where there is diminishing returns with how much we're spending on trying to attack terrorism. We certainly are individually threatened more by loss of civil rights than we are by any terrorist act.

    39. Re:Uh huh... by jammer170 · · Score: 4, Informative

      History. It doesn't take much to research the history of the general welfare clause. A quick Wikipedia search reveals a lot of information. For instance, Madison, who actually wrote the U. S. Constitution, was pretty explicit in the Federalist papers that the document was to be interpreted narrowly, and even specifically points to the general welfare clause as an example. There was even a Supreme Court case that upheld the narrow interpretation. It wasn't until 1930s that a different Supreme Court basically decided they really wanted to uphold some law/ruling, and basically decided to ignore all the previous history to do so.

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    40. Re:Uh huh... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Murder is legal then, because it doesn't say they're allowed to make laws saying it's illegal.

      Handled by the states. Pretty much everything was meant to be handled at the state/local level. The federal government only has the legal ability to do the things mentioned above.

    41. Re:Uh huh... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      And that's why the Constitution was designed to be amended. And why we've done it numerous times.

      Want the federal government to have new powers? Pass an amendment. Simple. Easy? Maybe not. But it (is supposed to) ensures that the feds don't go crazy doing things the States don't want them to.

      Yes, exactly. Here's an interesting parallel. Note that alcohol was prohibited through an amendment, as the congress at the time recognized that they had no authority to enact laws regarding alcohol without an amendment. And prohibition was lifted through an amendment. By the time they decided marijuana was evil, they didn't bother with an amendment.

    42. Re:Uh huh... by nytes · · Score: 1

      It's Washington D.C.

      There are already plenty of sharks in the Capitol building.

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    43. Re:Uh huh... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Lol.. two different jurisdiction concepts. Perhaps this page will clear itup a bit for you.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      BTW, this is the principle that allows states to legalize pot even though it is against federal law.

    44. Re:Uh huh... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      "...unless it happens within their jurisdiction which they are allowed to make laws governing."

      Um... I hate to break it to you, but *literally* the entirety of the United States of America, and its territories, holdings, and a big swath of ocean surrounding such, are within the jurisdiction of the federal government.

      This is the sort of ignorance I was lamenting above.

    45. Re:Uh huh... by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Go find a constitutional challenge where the court said that the power congress was using was the general welfare power; there is not one.

      General welfare describes what Congress may use its powers for just like common defense. It is not an enumerated power in itself.

    46. Re:Uh huh... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I've heard that argument before but i can never get any reasing for why all constitutional amendments that give power to the federal or state government, or restricts the states or the people in some way, all have a provision giving congress the abilities to make laws on it. If I was to believe you, the best answer to why those amendments alone or even the clauses giving congress powers to make laws over it would be completely unnecessary and just an excuse to use up a surplus of ink.

      I know the courts have liberally interpreted existing powers and stretched some like interstate commerce into unrecognizable entities, but i believe the reality of the evidence seems to support other than your statement.

    47. Re:Uh huh... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Nah, I don't even favor the extension of the commerce clause, but the strict interpretation of the constitution died out with Jefferson, because he was the writer who most staunchly advocated it, but when he became president, and couldn't follow that ideal himself, it became clear that it wasn't a realistic interpretation. (Specifically, the president wasn't given the power to do the Louisiana purchase, but he did it anyway because time was urgent).

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    48. Re:Uh huh... by doccus · · Score: 1

      Terrorism thrives on fear. It counts on the fact that people will create more constrictive and oppresive legislation.. essentially, ultimately enabling a police state. It's hoping for the eventuality that America will destroy itself from within by becoming the verykind of society it's been opposed to since it's inception.
        If this is it's goal, and it's pretty clear to me that it is, then I would have to say that the terrists have won, or at least are very close to having done so... And they've done pretty much nothingto us since 2001. We've done it to ourselves...

    49. Re:Uh huh... by jammer170 · · Score: 1

      This isn't the first time I've seen this nonsense "rebuttal" before, phrased almost the exact same way, by several other people. I would love to find out where this poor argument is coming from, so I can address it at the source.

      Why are you referencing Hamilton? As I already pointed out, it was Madison that wrote the U. S. Constitution, not Hamilton. Madison didn't "think" one thing, he stated precisely, several times, exactly what it meant. So to pretend that Madison's multiple writings on what exactly the general welfare clause included should ever be equated to Hamilton's is, at best, displaying an extremely poor understanding of history; and at worst, intentional deception by those who are desperate to hide the truth.

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    50. Re:Uh huh... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      I had forgotten about the Louisiana purchase. I was thinking of the civil war and of course the new deal.

      Anyways, I'm not saying it is strictly followed. But the concept is not dead
      Take drug laws for instance. Nothing gives the federal government the power to make drugs illegal. They have construed the interstate commerce clause and something else that escapes me at the moment to make it so. But if you do not cross that section of powers the federal government constitutionally has, a state can legalize drugs and there is almost nothing that can be done with it. The same goes for the speed limit and helmet laws. The feds relied on the states because they knew it wouldn't survive a constitutional challenge. So it is there still, just buried under how they try to get around it.

      I remember an interview about a supreme court nominee and the senator said it was very important that the nominee be thoroughly vetted because they can not have the supreme court undermining congress and striking laws as unconstitutional all the time. They know what is wrong. They just ensure others who know aren't able to do anything about it.

    51. Re:Uh huh... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Come on man, I'm talking about Jefferson, and it makes you think of the civil war? :)
      Anyway, the constitutional argument for limited federal government is probably dead, so if you want to get there, it would probably be more effective to build an argument based on utilitarian reasons, that it, "a smaller government is better because......."

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    52. Re:Uh huh... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      No, Jefferson doesn't make me think of the civil war, the concept of ignoring the constitution did.

      As for a smaller government. . That is obvious if we look at people who are pissed that the feds aren't doing what they want it to do. We can convince the smaller number of people in state and local governments a lot easier than people from other states who aren't even elected by them.

    53. Re:Uh huh... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      The reason I don't trust very easily is because of batshit crazy motherfuckers like you. Until I know they're not a fucked up idiot such as yourself I have to be very careful because your kind lurk everywhere ready to pounce and spew bullshit in a stream of hateful invective at the least provocation. Thanks for providing an example.

    54. Re:Uh huh... by Metal+Cutter · · Score: 1

      There are not millions dying from car crashes per year. It's only 30k to 50k in the U.S. But that is not an insignificant number. I wonder how we could ever prove the danger and death that the vulnerabilities they want to create will cost. It is beyond their thinking. They, Feinstein and most of her cohorts, can't see any of that mayhem,

  2. When are the terrorist plotting to kill Americans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    All the time. Seriously, that's what terrorists do. Does anybody think it's a part-time thing or whatever? "Let's see Achmed... Tomorrow we'll go fishing, then we hit the beach and next week we'll plot to kill Americans. But it must be wednesday because I have bingo on monday and a garage sale on tuesday, and the rest of the week I have to fill in for Jamal who's having a jihad on non-recyclable grocery bags."

  3. Can't have both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We need strong encryption to protect personal data, but we also need to know when terrorists are plotting to kill Americans."

    Can't have both, buddy.

    1. Re:Can't have both by skids · · Score: 1

      Yeah, "how's it feel to want?" is the answer to that one.

  4. Re: Complete waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then the mere existence of GPG on your machine will be enough to send you to jail. It's that simple, really. Make a few high-profile examples and the populace will get the message. As for those die-hard cryptonerds... I bet Feinstein would love to see them all in jail away from computers, where they won't bother anyone anymore. Make no mistake: those in power are not the made of the same stuff we are. They are royalty, we are small folk. If they have to destroy thousands of us to reach their goals, they will do it. Your computer is powerless against the might of the law. Obey or be destroyed. Your choice.

  5. Feinstein is senile and needs to be recalled by He+Who+Has+No+Name · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is pretty much the nail in the coffin.

    If her prior activities that would make an Inspector General blanch weren't enough, this monstrosity is pretty much proof-positive of her loss of mental faculties.

    1. Re:Feinstein is senile and needs to be recalled by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Maybe she's a traitor trying destroy America by wrecking it's economy. She is aiding terrorists in their efforts to destroy your way of life and prosperity.

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    2. Re:Feinstein is senile and needs to be recalled by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      This is not new. She regularly has done stuff like this for decades.

  6. When lying is not enough by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Terrorists and criminals are increasingly using encryption to foil law enforcement efforts, even in the face of a court order.

    Yeah, right.

    Oh, wait, the most recent terrorist attacks in Belgium were carried out using disposable one time cell phones without using encryption of any kind.

    Who are those politicians are trying to fool? Why the terrorists cannot create their own encrypted applications which do not save any data whatsoever? I mean we already have Telegram, Wire and many other apps with P2P encryption and timers which pretty much guarantee no party will ever be able to restore or decrypt the content of conversations.

    1. Re:When lying is not enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not sure I trust either Telegram or Signal TBH.
      Signal I really want to trust, but they want my whole f'in contact book and AFAIK there is no way to just give my friends like an anon ref code or something. Feels creepy and unnessecary.

      Telegram OTOH is just crazy crappy. Has anyone ever actually tried to read the API docs for mtproto? It's a damned nightmare to parse it.

      I don't trust any service that wants my phone number and list of contacts.

    2. Re:When lying is not enough by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      He is hiding those nude photos he sends to his lovers and that pic of toenail fungus he sent to his sister who is a nurse and told him he wasn't going to die.

      Why, does something to hide imply illegality or something ?

    3. Re:When lying is not enough by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      Indeed and let's face it, if you where a terrorist would you ever be able to trust Telegram, Wire or other P2P solutions to 100%? The cost of being caught as a terrorist is quite high (life time in Guantanamo or killed by a drone) so the benefit of the solution (being able to communicate with your group) is simply not worth it.

    4. Re:When lying is not enough by John+Allsup · · Score: 1

      You can create end-to-end encrypted apps in html5 and javascript. Provided phones don't have logs of everything the user does, whatever the manufacturers do will not achieve much.

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    5. Re:When lying is not enough by NetNed · · Score: 1

      Mod up parent. Telegram has been proven to be junk. It's funny how often it is mentioned in news articles like it's somehow "rock solid"

  7. Woo! BFAEB! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Burr-Feinstein Anti-Encryption Bill

    I heard they're opening for Aerosmith next month.

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  8. This bill might not be so bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The proposal itself may be awful, the likely consequences would be good. This could very well be the final push for many companies processing personal information to finally leave the US and settle in a country less hostile to privacy.

    1. Re:This bill might not be so bad by Hentes · · Score: 1

      When TTIP and TTP get finished the number of those countries will drop sharply.

    2. Re:This bill might not be so bad by chispito · · Score: 1

      The proposal itself may be awful, the likely consequences would be good. This could very well be the final push for many companies processing personal information to finally leave the US and settle in a country less hostile to privacy.

      Ha ha ha. You're talking like this will pass.

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  9. Re: Complete waste of time by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

    Make a few high-profile examples and the populace will get the message.

    I don't necessarily disagree with your premise, but as a counter to this particular point... it didn't work with piracy, so why with encryption?

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  10. Re:When are the terrorist plotting to kill America by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

    Sometimes they plot to kill other people as well... just sayin'.

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  11. Not just stupid people by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

    The really sad part isthat these are people who voted in, they are not dictators or such. A majority of people are actually stupid enough to vote for such idiots, and it makes me wonder where our future is headed. Given the rather extreme views that have become fashionable over the last year, I don't think it's too far off we'll soon be looking at the level of control shown in Russia today. I sure hope it was worth losing our privacy, safety, and fundamental values to save us from those "evil terrorists", who haven't played a role in 99.999% of the population. Might I point out, that's not an exaggeration.

    It's not just stupid people. It's also people who don't understand the issues because they have never studied encryption or computer security. Smart people and policy-makers.

    1. Re:Not just stupid people by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then there are also the power-mad people. These people might understand how encryption works, but they don't care because they see something that isn't under their control. They can't tolerate this so they come up with a reason why having this not under their control is bad ("terrorism") and then hammer the American public and politicians with this reason. It doesn't matter if the reason isn't true (terrorists have been using clear text communication) or if their reason wouldn't be fixed by passing US laws (terrorists would use strong encryption that's already available). The thing that matters to them is getting this thing under their control - even by a little bit. Then, they can expand their control until all non-backdoored strong encryption is banned.

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    2. Re:Not just stupid people by Maritz · · Score: 1

      It's also people who don't understand the issues because they have never studied encryption or computer security. Smart people and policy-makers.

      I applaud your genorosity, however I do not think they give a fuck about their ignorance of encryption. Encryption is an excuse to grab power. If it wasn't available, they would have to find another one.

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  12. Re: Complete waste of time by meadow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Feinstein is appalling but not more appalling than the idiots in the state of California - who supposedly are so intelligent and cutting-edge - who elected her and have kept her in office.

    The fact of the matter is that democracy in the United States is completely broken. And most people are profoundly deluded. They get up and go to work each day in a state of delusion about what is going on in their community and their state and country, as long as there is enough crap to distract them. As the saying goes: Keep them doped on religion, sex, and tv. Only perhaps science and self-righteous PC liberalism is the new religion, and video games and other things compete with tv.

    It sickens me to see the anti-Trump sentiment being vocalized especially by deluded idiots who have no solution whatsoever for the serious problems occurring other than to continue being deluded. Zuckerberg had the audacity to criticize immigration policy as he lives in a $10 million home, has private security, flies around the world and stays in 5 star hotels. Yeah, try living in the neighborhoods which are being destroyed by the hell that America is becoming and then proffer that self-righteous tripe. But its never the blood of the "humanitarians" that is spilled, is it?

  13. Ummm well be careful there by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Because while car crash deaths are still a real big killer, the IS has made MASSIVE strides in reducing them, and that has been done in no small part by legislation of new safety features. Deaths both in terms of absolute numbers and deaths per 100 million miles driven have been dropping consistently since around 1970.

    Not agreeing with this bullshit encryption bill, just that your example may not be showing what you want it to show.

    1. Re:Ummm well be careful there by Minupla · · Score: 2

      at 32,675/yr in the US, I think it's still a pretty safe argumentative gambit to suggest that if we're going to be terrified, it should be of our fellow drivers rather then some IS.

      Min

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    2. Re:Ummm well be careful there by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Because while car crash deaths are still a real big killer, the IS has made MASSIVE strides in reducing them

      I know the Islamic State has been trying to look more like a legitimate government, but I didn't realize they'd gone so far as keeping traffic statistics. Any idea if this reduction is because people are too scared to drive, have had their cars commandeered or blown up?

      Well, in all fairness, being blown up by a car bomb shouldn't count as a traffic accident.

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  14. You are making it too easy for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How about you make a law to make all terrorists report themselves at the nearest police stations to be executed! That would be even easier for you, right?
    Of course, not reporting in is punishable by death.

  15. Re:Why stop there? by NotInHere · · Score: 1

    Dude, this is already going to happen with all this "smart cars" revolution.

  16. They should have started simpler by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    Company and government-issued phones should have to have some sort of MDM product tied to them. If San Bernardino had used something like Blackberry ES to manage their iPhone (yes, BES supports Android and iPhone) their IT department could have popped the phone open as fast as the guy assigned to the task could log into BES and find the device.

  17. Re:Campaign contributions by MancunianMaskMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To make this point crystal-clear: Burr and Feinstein wrote the bill as idiotic as possible, as a threat to extort money from the lobbying industry in return for not passing the law, or watering it down(*).
    How selfless of them, they write the opposing politicians' meal ticket!
    I'm sure they'll return the favour on some other braindead "policy issue"
    (*) In comparison to the leaked draft copy, they removed the limitation to certain investigations (drugs, terror, kiddiefiddling...) so as to have some wriggle-room in the following bargaining process.

  18. Re: Complete waste of time by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    Plead 5th amendment. Or "I'm just transporting this USB stick".

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  19. It's not Big Brother by NReitzel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Senators Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein are neither the oppressive arm of Government nor are they idiots.

    They are, however, profoundly ignorant of how things work in the real (non-Beltway) world. They are of the same ilk that cannot understand that email kept on a small private server (small target) with a staff that gives a damn is quite likely a lot more secure than on a "secured government server."

    They must be thinking, "the company will provide a back door and keep it secret." What a great concept. Unfortunately that idea belongs to a world where it took a whole government and a bevy of codebreakers to crack a simple substitution code - the Enigma codes. Today, a single hacker can put together thousands of cpu core resources to attack any system. If there exists a back door, if there is any way into an encrypted system, some 14 year old in Romania or Great Britian (or China!) will find it. Consider the fact that the FBI hired such to go after in iPad, and the thing was compromised in short order.

    And lest we think that this is a good thing, so that governments can go after terrorists, let me pose a question on a personal level: "How big is your bank account? Would you mind if you woke up some morning and found it empty?"

    There are thousands of terror targets and probably tens of thousands of would-be terrorists. There are quite literally billions of targets in the private sector. It won't make the even news for very long if Mr. Smith gets cleaned out, but to Mr. Smith it may seem pretty terrible.

    And there is a worse side: Let's say that the government requires back doors everywhere. Does that mean that terrorists are going to give up and throw up their hands figuratively? Hell, no. Any competent programmer can come up with an encryption scheme not known to the government, perhaps with vulnerabiilities which are also unknown to the government. The good guys (Us!) have opened our bank accounts to the script kiddies, and the bad guys will go right on using strong encryption. The government will be right back where they are now, having to hire a hacker to break that encryption.

    We will have given up the keys to our doors without putting a small dent in terrorism.

    Not a good choice, imo.

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    1. Re:It's not Big Brother by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Senators Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein are neither the oppressive arm of Government nor are they idiots.

      False. They are part of the oppressive arm of government. We would usually say "hand", though.

      They are, however, profoundly ignorant of how things work in the real (non-Beltway) world.

      No, no they are not. Feinstein in particular is simply a hypocrite, which she proves every time she opens her face.

      They are of the same ilk that cannot understand that email kept on a small private server (small target) with a staff that gives a damn is quite likely a lot more secure than on a "secured government server."

      If you're talking about Clinton, though, that's not what happened. What happened was that she had a small private server which she used to facilitate illegal, insecure communications; she had her staff go through the email and determine what was classified, which is itself a breach of the law for both parties. She also refused to use the approved secure handheld device like everyone else but the president, because she thinks she is more special than the president. I shudder to think of her level of entitlement if she actually becomes president. It literally twists my stomach. I just think about drone strikes and rendition all day. You think Obama was bad? Wait, you're probably of the same ilk that thinks that Obama's drone strikes are acceptable.

      Then you go on to blather along about stuff that we all already know, but the damage has already been done; your comment is shit because you don't recognize what Feinstein is; she is evil incarnate. One set of rules for her, one set of rules for you. She can have a purse gun (do you really believe she stopped carrying it? I don't believe anything she says, end of story) and be protected by rough men with guns and a poor history of supporting citizens' rights, and fight against your right to self-defense let alone your more general second amendment rights. She generally fights, as she is doing here, against personal freedom and privacy. Everything she does makes the state and even the nation weaker. How do you not recognize that she is subhuman?

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    2. Re:It's not Big Brother by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      There is no oppressive arm of government, all governments becomes oppressive given time, it's in the bone and marrow of all of them.

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    3. Re:It's not Big Brother by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And there is a worse side: Let's say that the government requires back doors everywhere. Does that mean that terrorists are going to give up and throw up their hands figuratively? Hell, no. Any competent programmer can come up with an encryption scheme not known to the government, perhaps with vulnerabiilities which are also unknown to the government.

      Please... the number of programmers that could come up with good cryptographic primitives is 0.1% or less. You're much better off just using AES for symmetric, RSA for asymmetric and DHE for key exchange with forward secrecy that tons of crypto analysists have spent years on and not come up with anything of significance. The flaws are usually all implementation and backdoors, not the building blocks themselves.

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    4. Re:It's not Big Brother by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There is no oppressive arm of government, all governments becomes oppressive given time, it's in the bone and marrow of all of them.

      I couldn't agree more, that's why something like bioregionalism is needed. Local government aligned upon natural boundaries which produce natural confluence of interest. Minimal government at all levels. Citizen involvement. You will never have no government, so the best thing you can do is make sure you get as little government as possible while still getting your needs met.

      Both wings belong to the same bird

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    5. Re:It's not Big Brother by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Actually, it took the genius and determination of one person, and dozens of lives in the capturing of an actual enigma machine -- to learn the mechanics of the algorithm. Once you have the algorithm, brute force is a simple matter of equipment. And then, it's a simple matter to break it all by moving a single wire -- which they knew.

    6. Re:It's not Big Brother by houghi · · Score: 1

      If they are not idiots, I am sure they will know this will go nowhere, wo why would they propose it? I doubt they are looking for the long term where peopl will think to implement only part of it will be their goal.

      What I assume is that they are paid to do so by companies who want this. They give it a shot and if not, no harm, no faul.

      So who is behind these ideas? What lobyying has been done to get them to do this?

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    7. Re:It's not Big Brother by clonehappy · · Score: 1

      It must be nice to live in your naive little lalaland where the government means well, but just doesn't get how the magic boxes work. And where a basement email server run by "a guy" is more secure than hardened, robust, and security designed industrial email systems. No, make no mistake, these are hardcore totalitarians and they know it. They have been installed to do a job, and that is destroy a society based on liberty and freedom. Thanks to people who think they "mean well", they're getting away with it. That witch is one of the worst of the bunch.

      But I envy you, if I could go back to, say, being 15-16 years old when I could still tell myself that things were bad because of plain old ignorance, I'd go back in a heartbeat.

    8. Re:It's not Big Brother by facetube · · Score: 1

      Their ignorance is the oppressive arm of government. The political elite in the US are profoundly detached from reality, and Americans are suffering as a result of it.

    9. Re:It's not Big Brother by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      Senators Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein are neither the oppressive arm of Government nor are they idiots.

      But then you spend the rest of your post describing how oppressive and idiotic their ideas are.

    10. Re:It's not Big Brother by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      Well AES is turning out to not be as strong as thought. But something like SERPENT (seems to be the strongest of the AES finalists) or TWOFISH would be better choices. As far as asymmetric key encryption I would probably look into lattice based crypto as RSA is useless with quantum computers

      I would guess that the number is likely higher than 0.1% but that would require training and learning about them. I mean how many people here know what S-boxes, P-boxes, MDS Matrix, Pseudo Hadamard transform, Feistel network, substution permutation network are and how to use and design them. I mean it isn't like there aren't resources and books for learning the basics that also cover how to do cryptanalysis using things like linear cryptanalysis, differential cryptanalysis and variants, or even the simple frequency analysis

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    11. Re:It's not Big Brother by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Herp Derp. Found the Randian moron

      All you have found is your own asshole, and inserted your head into it. But I guess that's why you didn't log in, coward. Internet bravery is the most hilarious kind of bravery.

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    12. Re:It's not Big Brother by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Have you seen a picture of Diane Feinstein? She was always a little scary looking, but now it's pretty obvious she's a scary-looking old biddy, who, as you say, doesn't understand what it is she's doing, or worse, does understand what she's doing, and will just try to ram it through, right down our throats, regardless. It's time she resigned, she's just thrashing around and doing damage to everyone around her now, like a sadly elderly person who insists on still driving their car even when it's clear they're no longer capable of doing so safely.

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    13. Re:It's not Big Brother by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      What this guy said!! Awesome, buddy.

    14. Re:It's not Big Brother by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

      Anyone with a basic level of programming skill and a half hour could wire up an application that combines the plaintext and key and spits out unbreakably encrypted text.

      Really? You should try it. You're wrong, unless by "unbreakably encrypted" you're referring to a one time pad, which is not generally what is meant by symmetric encryption with a shared secret key. That's a special case that IS easy to implement, but comes with a number of other problems.

  20. I wish the bill would pass by aepervius · · Score: 1

    And then the world wide tech sector would get a boost , and the US tech sector go bust.


    What ? I never said I carred for the US tech sector. I am seeing this from the perspective of somebody in another country tech sector withshing that US politician get what they want : give us all non US firm a lot of jobs.

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  21. A point in there somewhere. by Chrontius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Today, terrorists and criminals are increasingly using encryption to foil law enforcement efforts, even in the face of a court order. We need strong encryption to protect personal data, but we also need to know when terrorists are plotting to kill Americans.”

    We do - but we cannot have both.

    Choose wisely.

    1. Re:A point in there somewhere. by bangular · · Score: 1

      The American government has done such a bad job at preventing terrorism in the "pre-encryption era" I have no faith that having access to encrypted devices will improve anything. Since 9/11, I can't think of a single terror plot that the U.S. government has single handedly stopped. They've either succeeded or been stopped by active citizens or local police.

      All that will happen is that we have BOTH weak encryption and terrorists plotting to kill Americans.

      The really big picture that no one seems to talk about is that this is guerrilla warfare, and established governments can not stop guerrilla warfare. It's how we beat the British. It's why we had to pull out of Vietnam. It's how the Afgans beat the Soviets. To win a traditional war you have to get the leader of the opposing side to say "OK guys, war is over" and it's basically over. With guerrilla warfare, the only way to stop the opposing side is to kill or convert every single fighter, which is obviously an impossible task. To add irony to all this, the more fathers you kill, the more sons will pick up arms. It's a never ending game of whack-a-mole.

      The only winning move is not to play.

    2. Re:A point in there somewhere. by skids · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't that what's required is impossible, it's just that nobody has yet found a way to do it.

      No, the problem is equivalent to preventing people from having knives despite the ready availability of pieces of metal and stones to sharpen them with.

      That, and despite the fact that unbreakable crypto has been available to everyone for decades now, through a comedy of errors, actually getting people to care enough to know which systems are secure and use them, or even provide secure services by default for the ignorant, has eluded us, and our deployment models for secure communications are fraught with unnecessary busy-work and perverse incentives. So, If we cannot manage that there is no way in hell the extra complexity added by a third-party key is going to make it to universal deployment.

      As a result, only a few small segments of the population actually get secure crypto: those who luck into using a platform where it has been implemented correctly, and those who care enough to figure out how to roll their own... either just because they are smart and it is easy, or because they really, really need it for purposes either illegitimate or bona-fide.

  22. if they kill encryption by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    i will have to cancel my credit cards and get new ones, and never buy anything online ever again,

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  23. Does it even need to be repeated? by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 2

    You can't put the encryption genie back in the bottle. You look really dumb when you tell people you can.

    I seriously just laugh every time I see this kind of foolish uneducated thinking. Don't senators have technical advisers that tell them: IT CAN'T BE DONE.

    It's not even really a difficult concept to grasp, in my opinion.

    1. Re:Does it even need to be repeated? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Don't senators have technical advisers

      No. They have people that tell them what they want to hear and people who manage their statements so that it panders to just the right set of donors and not offend others.

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    2. Re:Does it even need to be repeated? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      You very much can. You just have to convince people that encrypted communications are a complex, high-cost investment provided by a large company, not something they can take personal responsibility for. Your Cellphone needs slipjack because you couldn't handle pre-encrypting your own e-mail; therefor you are helpless if the Government hacks Slipjack.

  24. obama says he does not support it by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    how many times has a politician said one thing and then did the exact opposite when it comes time to put it down on paper

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    1. Re:obama says he does not support it by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Yeah he says he supports American jobs AND the TPP. You can't have both.

  25. Re: Complete waste of time by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Feinstein is appalling but not more appalling than the idiots in the state of California - who supposedly are so intelligent and cutting-edge - who elected her and have kept her in office.

    Yep. Feinstein gets votes on two bases; her vagina, and being anti-gun. There's literally no other reason to vote for her, because everything she does is harmful. She's being supported by superannuated spoiled children who want a nanny state.

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  26. Leaving the US a huge minefield by swb · · Score: 1

    Leaving the US for a privacy Shangri La sounds appealing, but where is this place?

    By my estimations, it's a small number of European countries, most of which might face EU regulations which could end up being nearly as "bad" as the US for no real gain.

    Most other places don't have enough privacy protections (crooked, authoritarian governments) or if they do, are too small to resist the diplomatic pressure the US could bring to bear on their privacy practices. Further, they may be small enough that the Chinese could be tempted to tamper with their manufacturing to create hardware back doors, as one disincentive the Chinese have is an open confrontation with the US over manufacturing.

    The other unintended consequence could possibly US import restrictions on the devices now that they are a product of a "foreign" company.

  27. Alternate name by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An alternate name for the bill could be the Burr-Fenstein Fucking Waste of Public Time And Money act.

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  28. we also need to know when terrorists are plotting by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it just be simpler to pass a law requiring all terrorists to report what they are going to do 24 or 48 hours before they do it?

  29. Is there any question at this point by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 1

    That Dianne Feinstein is the epitome of evil, unamerican political criminals?

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  30. Re: Complete waste of time by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 1

    That means 100% of the reasons people vote for her are harmful. Adding sexism and unrepentant hatred of the US Constitution to the mix certainly doesn't help.

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  31. Re: Complete waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just googled her to see what she looks like... I find it hard to believe her vagina gets her anywhere *shudder*

  32. Re:Campaign contributions by Cramer · · Score: 1

    In all likelihood, they (assuming they actually had any hand in it at all) wrote poorly because they don't have a single f'ing clue how any technology works. They don't understand the danger of backdoors in crypto -- if "they" can get in, anyone else can too.

  33. Re:This bill makes absolute sense by gnupun · · Score: 1

    Exactly, any decent terrorist/crook will use strong encryption software he obtained from elsewhere. So, despite all the backdoors installed by corporations in their products/servies, the govt. still won't be able to read his files or his communications. The only thing this bill will accomplish is giving backdoors to govt to spy on law-abiding people.

  34. It is time to defeat traitors such as Feinstein by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If we Americans still believe in Freedom ...

    If we Americans still believe in Liberty ...
     
    We should start a definite push in dealing traitors such as Feinstein a decisive blow

    They should no longer be allowed to weaken our Constitution

    They should no longer be allowed to undermine the spirit laid down by the founder of this great republic

    Shame on Feinstein !

    Shame on traitors who hate Freedom and Liberty !

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    1. Re:It is time to defeat traitors such as Feinstein by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      She's not a traitor... .she is just an incredibly Low IQ person that has some serious sociopath tendencies.

      Why the hell Californians keep electing her I'll never understand.

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    2. Re:It is time to defeat traitors such as Feinstein by chispito · · Score: 1

      Why are you calling out Feinstein but not Burr? They are both asshats.

      Let me guess; you're a Republican.

      Way to take a stand in the most partisan, half-assed way imaginable.

      More likely because the senior Senator from the Silicon Valley state should know better.

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    3. Re:It is time to defeat traitors such as Feinstein by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      Because anyone that runs against her will see their political career end? Feinstein is so damn connected and everyone is so willing to kiss her ass that you'll get no traction in terms of established support.

      And the party is to chicken to run anyone against party favorites. Funny how basically no one from the party wanted to run against Hillary. Lockstep behind a favorite horse regardless of the conditions.

    4. Re:It is time to defeat traitors such as Feinstein by Chas · · Score: 1

      Already contacts my state's senators and urged them to oppose this bill, any like it and call for similar provisions (should they be hidden in another bill) to be excised.

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    5. Re:It is time to defeat traitors such as Feinstein by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why are you calling out Feinstein but not Burr? They are both asshats.

      Sure, but as a Republican, Burr is supposed to be an ignorant authoritarian asshat. That is the whole point of the GOP. There is a libertarian wing to the Republican party, but they are only around 10%.

      But Feinstein is different. She is just as much of an asshat as Burr on social authoritarianism, but also has all the economic authoritarianism of the Democratic Party. If you took the absolute worst of American Politics, and blended them into a Frankenstein chimera, you would get Dianne Feinstein. She has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

      As a Californian, I am very ashamed to admit that she is my senator.

    6. Re:It is time to defeat traitors such as Feinstein by Dragonslicer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      She's not a traitor... .she is just an incredibly Low IQ person that has some serious sociopath tendencies.

      Why the hell Californians keep electing her I'll never understand.

      There's this notion that members of Congress, despite passing legislation for the federal government, are supposed to do what's best for their own state instead of what's best for the country as a whole. There's also the issue that influence in Congress, particularly via committee membership and leadership, is based entirely on seniority. Combine these two and you have the problem that replacing Feinstein would lower California's importance in Congress, even if her replacement is clearly better.

    7. Re:It is time to defeat traitors such as Feinstein by Dragonslicer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But Feinstein is different. She is just as much of an asshat as Burr on social authoritarianism, but also has all the economic authoritarianism of the Democratic Party. If you took the absolute worst of American Politics, and blended them into a Frankenstein chimera, you would get Dianne Feinstein. She has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

      Is ideological consistency a redeeming quality? She isn't an authoritarian only when it's convenient or when it matches her religious dogma. She's a True Authoritarian.

    8. Re:It is time to defeat traitors such as Feinstein by wyHunter · · Score: 2

      So you're learning that the Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same. That's quite an education, wouldn't you say?

    9. Re:It is time to defeat traitors such as Feinstein by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Californians would elect Jack the Ripper if he was Jack The Ripper (D).

    10. Re:It is time to defeat traitors such as Feinstein by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      She's not a traitor... .she is just an incredibly Low IQ person that has some serious sociopath tendencies.

      Why the hell Californians keep electing her I'll never understand.

      There's this notion that members of Congress, despite passing legislation for the federal government, are supposed to do what's best for their own state instead of what's best for the country as a whole. There's also the issue that influence in Congress, particularly via committee membership and leadership, is based entirely on seniority. Combine these two and you have the problem that replacing Feinstein would lower California's importance in Congress, even if her replacement is clearly better.

      That dynamic didn't stop Virginia voters from getting rid of Eric Cantor in the primary.

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  35. If Feinstein's name is on it, 100% it's a bad idea by mpercy · · Score: 2

    Just adopt the George Costanza approach with her.

  36. And the Experts Say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anyone remember the "Keys under the doormat" paper from '97? The authors came back last year with a new paper here: https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/97690/MIT-CSAIL-TR-2015-026.pdf

    I'm going to out and say it's required reading for everyone.

  37. Impeach the idiots by mnemotronic · · Score: 1
    What morons wrote this?

    The government cannot require or prohibit any specific design or operating system for any covered entity to use in complying with a court order.

    I.e. nothing is out-of-bounds when complying? That seems to conflict with this:

    No one is above the law. Court order recipients must comply with the rule of law.

    But what if providing the data requires breaking existing laws? I'll be the first to admit I don't know legalese, but this sure is confusing.

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  38. At least the title is descriptive. . . by fortfive · · Score: 1

    and not Orwellian, like, say, the PATRIOT act.

  39. Questions to ask by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    Terrorists and criminals are increasingly using encryption to foil law enforcement efforts, even in the face of a court order.

    Given that the majority of terrorist leadership structure (technocal and non-technical) isn't domestic, and they are completely capable of writing their own encryption apps, and hosting the services outside the US,
    1. How does the bill reach those users and servers Answer: It doesn't
    2. How does the bill enhance/protect/maintain security of users. Answer: It doesn't
    3. How does the bill enhance/protect/maintain the security of the nation: Answer: there is only a temporary benefit until terrorists get educated about the fact the government has a back door into every phone sold or service operated in the US. Terrorists will be directed to an app that does not have a back door, and is not in the jurisdiction of the bill. Instead of the current limited surveillance capability, the communications will go completely dark.
    4. How does the bill deter/inhibit the security of the terrorists: Answer: Short-term detriment until they can switch the naive users to their app, long-term benefit after.
    5. How does the bill enhance/protect/maintain the security of the terrorists: Answer: provides motivation to create their own app, provides backdoors in all phones/services that can be potentially exploited by terrorist organizations and other governments, like Russians and the Chinese.

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  40. Dianne Feinstein...where have I heard that name? by Valacosa · · Score: 1

    On May 12, 2011, Feinstein cosponsored PIPA.

    I think this person needs to lose an election.

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  41. Re: Complete waste of time by danceswithtrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...very few encrypt compared to that.

    Very few people buy things online? I think the more accurate view is that very few people realize how important strong encryption is to what they already do.

  42. Re:It's Big Brother by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    They must be thinking, "the company will provide a back door and keep it secret." What a great concept. Unfortunately that idea belongs to a world where it took a whole government and a bevy of codebreakers to crack a simple substitution code - the Enigma codes.

    It's not about that. If you read the discussion draft of the proposed bill you will find the salient part is Sec. 2.4 which puts the onus of data decryption onto the service provider. There is nothing about how to implement it, just that if you encrypt it, it better be intelligible when we ask for it. There is a discussion about privacy of the individual, but it's secondary to access by the state. I uncertain if a judicial order is the same as a warrant for telecommunications intercepts however I still don't see any time limits imposed either.

    And lest we think that this is a good thing, so that governments can go after terrorists, let me pose a question on a personal level: "How big is your bank account? Would you mind if you woke up some morning and found it empty?"

    This is the whole point about these types of laws. It's not about "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" it's more like "If you have nothing to loose, then you have nothing to hide".

    With which we come to the hidden kicker in this proposed bill, the unmentioned meta-data retention clauses. Has anyone noticed that?

    Section 4. 1. puts the onus on a license to collect all IP address, port number, routing, endpoints, protocols, both sides of a NAT, unique device identifiers (MAC address), the time, quantity and QOS information all time stamped to UTC, and more. These are targeted at Telecommunications companies, they require a warrant, but imply that the data is to be collected.

    That's probably the elephant right there, it's a much larger scope than saying - hey tell us what this says. I'm unsure if it is a 4th amnd violation 'reasonable' to have a third party record your communications endpoints, it's probably happening anyway and that could be the 'reasonable' justification. Again the duration is not mentioned and I'd suggest any service provider who offers a service that only maintains meta data for your last billing cycle may be a feature of providers worth having.

    Hell, no. Any competent programmer can come up with an encryption scheme not known to the government, perhaps with vulnerabiilities which are also unknown to the government.

    Nope, they have that covered too in Sec 3.A.2 the orders can be issued against people providing the software. Surely this is a 5th Amnd violation. How can you be compelled to information that may incriminate you.

    The good guys (Us!) have opened our bank accounts to the script kiddies, and the bad guys will go right on using strong encryption.

    No, the point here is that your metadata will be stored in unencrypted form. The same demands were made of Australians because it is wasn't mandatory to encrypt the data, however it was mentioned in the bill that it should be encrypted.

    The US bill doesn't even mention encrypting citizen meta data that is being recorded. This is an obvious honeypot for organized crime and as I have constantly repeated, fraud against citizens has no impact on the state, so they have little incentive to protect you from it in their quest to know everything about you.

    The government will be right back where they are now, having to hire a hacker to break that encryption.

    If the bad guys have their own encryption software then there is simply no access to their communications. The demands are on providers to decode communications when they receive a judicial order and the endpoints, volume and duration when issued a warrant.

    We will have given up the keys to our doors without putting a small dent in terrorism.

    Not a good choice, imo.

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  43. The word Feinstein by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

    I've learned that any bill with the word Feinstein attached to it will be based on ignorance and fear. How this idiot keeps getting re elected is beyond my comprehension.

    1. Re:The word Feinstein by craigminah · · Score: 1

      I'm sure she will continue to use encryption to protect herself but expects everyone else to lose their seurity. Kind of like her opposition to guns yet she surrounds herself with armed guards.

    2. Re:The word Feinstein by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Because she's from California and they elect anyone with a D after their name.

  44. Re:Dianne Feinstein...where have I heard that name by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

    On May 12, 2011, Feinstein cosponsored PIPA.

    I think this person needs to lose an election.

    Me too, but why do you think that the morons who elected her will grow a brain cell before the next election.

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  46. Obligatory CGP Gray by dahlellama · · Score: 3, Interesting

    CGP Gray just released a really good video on encryption.

  47. Need a maximum Cost/Benefit Analysis. by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    Different government agencies use different price per human life saved methodologies. Most agencies, such as the car regulation, pollution, etc. regulate only if the cost is less than $10 million per life saved. The EPA sets it at 7.4 million. Some agencies won't even require safety regulations if the cost exceeds $2 million.

    Terrorism based agencies are a radical shift. When terrorism is involved, the idiots are willing to spend up to $180 million to save a single life. (https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/07/costbenefit_ana.html)

    I propose that we legislate a maximum cost per human life saved at $20 million (adjusted for inflation, annually). This would wipe out most of the stupid expenses by federal anti-terrorism agencies, but still allow them to do their job.

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  48. Tobacco and sugar by Framboise · · Score: 1

    The tobacco industry deliberately plotted to kill Amecicans in way larger proportion that the 9/11 Saudis. The food industry via sugar over intake also kills much more people than terrorists. The government kills much more Americans with unjustified wars.

    Actually anything threatening the top wealthy 1% is considered as much more dangerous than when threatening the 99% rest.

  49. Secrets by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Is in US House or Senate - No trust at all, should probably be placed in a padded room for their own protection
    Is in the state House or Senate - Very little trust but they likely don't need to be in a padded room

    I heard someone once say that a person runs for local or state office only because their deepest darkest secret keeps them from running for higher office. Probably some truth in that somewhere...

    1. Re:Secrets by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Maybe but it sure seems like only the real wack jobs make it to the national level.

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  50. Re: Complete waste of time by Maritz · · Score: 1

    While you're right about the status quo, you're wrong about what attitude to take regarding it.

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  51. Re: Complete waste of time by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Ever see the little padlock on your URL bar? Yeah.

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  52. Re: Complete waste of time by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Make no mistake here: sending a bunch of drug users to prison did not stop drugs.

    They know it doesn't stop drugs. They just don't care.

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  53. Anyone at all can do a one time pad by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 1

    And a one-time pad is unbreakable by any means except obtaining the one time pad if it is not misused.

    Unbreakable encryption is within the technical reach of practically anyone.
    It's not even hard. Exchange of the one time pad is inconvenient.

    --PM

  54. Re: Complete waste of time by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    I recall her stance on abortion being a bigger issue than guns in her first election (in 1992). Actually I don't remember guns coming up at all back then, but maybe you remember that.
    She also has incumbent inertia going for her now, which shouldn't be underestimated.

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  55. There is no recall at the federal level by hwstar · · Score: 1

    Once elected, congresspersons and senators can do what they please until the next election with no fear of recall. This means citizens have to vote them out in the next election cycle. Voters have short memories unless the transgression was particularly egregious.

    There are two things missing at the federal level which would help ore representative government be more responsive to the peoples wishes:

    1. Recall of congresspersons and senators with a 66% super majority.
    2. Initiative and Referendum.

  56. Using our own satellites against us by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    If aliens don't need encryption to coordinate the extermination of all humans neither do terrorists.

  57. Perfect Forward Secrecy? by ramriot · · Score: 1

    Because this bill would require any vendor, writer or provider of encrypted communications to have a way to decrypt it would also require any form of TLS connection to not have perfect forward secrecy. This would mean having like in the earlier DOD era, having a separate crypto' suites for US use that exclude the option.

    I mention this because it is not going to happen, the cat is out of the bag and it would require rewriting the core of every TLS implementation everywhere.

  58. How to make money if Burr-Feinstein passes by KeithIrwin · · Score: 2

    Last night I figured out how to extort money out of big tech companies if the Feinstein-Burr bill becomes law. It requires that any company which has provided encryption technology render technical assistance in order to provide unencrypted versions of information in response to court orders.
    So, here's what you do:
    1) Choose a company which provides any existing encryption products which don't have backdoor and will host data for you in some form. Good choices might be Apple, Google, or Microsoft. For Microsoft you can use their BitLocker product to encrypt things. For Apple or Google, you can just use OpenSSL's command line to do the encrypting. There are likely some other companies that would work, but those are the first which come to mind.
    2) Find a co-conspirator who is willing to sue you.
    3) Create some key piece of information which is relevant to the potential court case.
    4) Choose an amount of money which is quite large, but is within the potential budget of the company.
    5) Do some calculations like this spread sheet does: https://docs.google.com//1hsvO2RBXWYxMMMCaDx5CASPy2l/edit (although I'm not sure these numbers are correct because I'm not sure they account for the efficiency of doing this with GPUs instead of CPUs) to figure out how long the key will have to be to be in order to cost the target amount of money. Assuming their figures are correct, then 86 bits would be the correct answer.
    6) Choose an encryption function which uses more bits than that. So let's go with 128-bit AES for this example.
    7) Encrypt the key piece of information with it.
    8) Make a second file which contains notes about what algorithm is used and contains all but your target number of bits of the key. So in this case, 128-86 yields 42, so we put the first 42 bits of the key in the file.
    9) On the storage provided by your target company, store the encrypted data and the unencrypted second file.
    10) Ensure that all other copies of the data and the key have been completely and utterly destroyed, but keep references to its existence.
    11) Proceed with the lawsuit and have your co-conspirator find out about the file in discovery.
    12) Have them obtain a court order requiring the target company render technical assistance. Now, to comply with the court order, they must spend approximately $10 million dollars to brute force the remaining bits of the key.
    13) Offer to have talks about settling the lawsuit, but only if the company is also involved in those talks.
    14) Hint that this could all go away for a much smaller amount, like only $100,000 especially if the target company were willing to pay.
    15) Once they pay up, drop the lawsuit thus vacating the court order.

  59. Re: Complete waste of time by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

    Some of these are pretty good, I must say. For a chuckle, anyway.

  60. Re: Complete waste of time by wyHunter · · Score: 1

    This is slashdot. Owning a gun is supposed to be terrible here.

  61. Re:Feinstein = Jewish Isreali agent cunt by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

    1) Diane Feinstein was born in 1933.
    2) Israel was founded in 1948.
    3) You're an idiot.

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  62. Re:This bill makes absolute sense by skids · · Score: 1

    backdoors to govt to spy on law-abiding people

    ...or less-than-tech-savvy criminals, which many are.

    But it is beside the point. This bill is obviously designed without any regard to the damaging impacts it will actually have and with no hope of producing any real quantity of useful intel. Pure posturing.

  63. Not sure about motives by BlueCoder · · Score: 1

    Politicians do weird thinks like sponsor/vote-for bills they don't want passed for image reasons and or to do cross party vote trading. The trick is playing chicken with the number of votes required to pass or knowing you can bury it later in committee if it happens to pass.

    The problem is things like this are often posturing.

  64. Re: Complete waste of time by thevirtualcat · · Score: 1

    As I recall, the fifth amendment *does* technically still work if you're the one they're going after and are the one holding the key.

    Doesn't work so well if someone else is holding the key or if you're the one holding the key for someone else. And let's face it. That's 99% of encryption in use today. Someone else holds the key.

  65. Password Security by PackMan97 · · Score: 1

    The single biggest threat this law creates is the need to have passwords a company can decrypt. If a court order requests the password of an account, a company is required to provide said password. This means you must now store your user passwords in a method you can decrypt. Nope, nothing wrong with that! I guess Senator Burr was getting jealous of all the attention the NC GOP was getting from HB2 that he wanted to try and upstage them.

  66. Re: Complete waste of time by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 1

    It is? I've been coming here since 2002. I dont remember anyone turding on gun ownership. I would think most of the crusty old beards here would right at home with the cold, unyielding machined reliability of guns. Along with the personal responsibility of owning such machines that are every bit as lethal as a car.

    How could both those things not be right up the alley of everyone here?

    Since when have slashdotters ever clamored for the government to protect them from themselves?

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  67. Weird Politicians by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Maybe but it sure seems like only the real wack jobs make it to the national level.

    That's just because they get more publicity. Trust me that the local guys are every bit as weird as the national guys and frequently even weirder.

  68. Miopic 'liberal' dipshits... by BozoForPresident · · Score: 1

    " ... We need strong encryption to protect personal data, but we also need to know when terrorists are plotting to kill Americans." Translation: "We are vegans that eat meat."

  69. As Jello once said by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

    Diane "Banker-Buttlicker" Feinsten, the dragon lady with no fucking heart.

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  70. Follow the money. by Foresto · · Score: 1

    Why the hell Californians keep electing her I'll never understand.

    Do you think it might have something to do with the influence of money in US elections? ;)

  71. money by nten · · Score: 1

    This isn't about terrorism or surveillance. This is much more boring and insidious. Look at her donor list. Five defense contractors in the top 15 each with "cyber war" divisions. Someone will have to build this new backdoored encryption and it will cost at least a few hundred million. Northrop Grumman is one of her and Burrs top donors. I predict NG wins a very carefully run competition for the contract.

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  72. Feistein... by kcorey · · Score: 1

    Won't someone just vote her pernicious backside out of office already? How much more damage must she do to the US before we wise up?

  73. CA representative no longer by geekier · · Score: 1

    as a resident of California I can not support or approve of this action by Feinstein.

  74. We also need... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    We also need, more importantly, a GOVERNMENT WE CAN TRULY TRUST! And, we need that FIRST. And, we need it WITHOUT the greedy, manipulative fingers of corporations.

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  75. Re: Complete waste of time by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    The bill appears to cover companies who make things. Is there any mention of what individuals may do? The CALEA act provides that telecommunication providers must allow law enforcement to monitor communications involving a specific person, but doesn't forbid the use of ciphers by the people at the end points.

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