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Canonical To Release Ubuntu Linux 16.04 LTS 'Xenial Xerus' Tomorrow (betanews.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Canonical announced today that it will be releasing Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on Thursday, April 21. The sixth major release of Ubuntu Long-Term Support (LTS) features the new 'snap' package format and LXD pure-container hypervisor. "The addition of 'snaps' for faster and simpler updates, and the LXD container hypervisor for ultra-fast and ultra-dense cloud computing demonstrate a commitment to customer needs that sets Ubuntu apart as the platform for innovation and scale," said Dustin Kirkland who leads platform strategy at Canonical. Ubuntu 16.04 LTS introduces a new application format, the 'snap', which can be installed alongside traditional deb packages. The snap format is much easier to secure and much easier to produce, and offers operational benefits for organizations managing many Ubuntu devices, which will bring more robust updates and more secure applications across all form factors from phone to cloud.
Look on the bright side - two more and they'll be out of letters.
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Thursday, April 21....where? Can't we just do it in UTC. It is Thursday, April 21 in New Zealand (18.23% PURE and dropping) already but there is no release. Is the date based on South Africa? U.S.?
I reserve the write to mangle english.
for MySQL and MongoDB are still broken along with a few others.
see subject for details
just 2 more letters and this naming crap will die?
I may be asking too much here, but I would love to know what people think of 16.04 from a real-world, practical perspective. What can you do with it that you couldn't with previous versions? What, in your opinion, has improved? Any issues? For example, I haven't been keeping a close eye, so this is the first time I've heard of this new snap system. Is it any good?
But I suspect the forum will just be filled with the usual "systemd sux!" and "pulseaudio sux" and "I can't stand Unity, and Shuttleworth is an asshole, use linux mint or instead!"
But here's hoping for a civil discussion for once.
It looks like the dev team has been waffling about whether or not ship 16.04 with Unity 8 (which under the hood, dumps Gnome for Qt) as well as Mir. Has anyone tried it out since the rocky betas I looked at in 15.x? Does anyone know what the defaults or plans are from the good folk at Ubuntu?
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And how/why is it better than deb/rpm/tgz?
I found this: https://insights.ubuntu.com/20... but is it full of marketing speak without any real information as to what a snap actually is and how it is better. Sounds kind of like Canonical doing the not-invented-here thing for packaging.
Being that Ubuntu is one of the more popular distributions, that means is must be hated on slashdot. Granted it is one of the distributions that comes with a good selection of drivers available. As well decent defaults for standard desktop usage.
Would I use it for a server? No, but for an OS on my laptop for standard stuff and some development. I have no complains at least with the last version. It is much easier to deal with than Windows 10.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I know this is probably too much to ask, but I am really hoping that people who have poked at it can give constructive, practical comments on what they think of the new version. I haven't been paying attention cause I'm too busy. I'm looking forward to zfs-on-linux, but this is the first time I've ever heard of this new snap package system. Is it any good? Any gotchas?
Have there been any notable improvements? Anything you can do now that you couldn't before (eg: is it easier to manage multiple displays, or digital audio) ?
But I expect the forum will just be drowned in a bajillion posts about how systemd sucks, pulseaudio sucks, shuttleworth sucks, unity sucks, etc.
I'm retarded enough to use Ubuntu. And you know what?
- I don't live in my parents' basement.
- I don't have to waste my free time with distros that do not work.
- I get my job done, in time
- I'm married
- I'm sure I earn more money than you.
- I don't curse.
The only thing I can criticize about Ubuntu is Unity. It sucks big time. Specially Unity's notifications. What good is a notification that I cannot interact with? And not only I cannot interact with it, the notification blurs when I move my mouse pointer over it!!!
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It includes ZFS as a standard supported file system. That's the most interesting new feature from my perspective.
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I tried Ubuntu a couple of weeks ago when setting up a VM for a quick dev/testing environment.
It was a fucking mess. Nothing made sense. The desktop quirks reminded my of Windows Vista pre SP1. The Linux core was tweaked just enough that the CLI I spent the most time in was my browser's search bar.
Nuked that VM from orbit.
Nuked that VM from orbit.
It's the only way to be sure.
Ubuntu is used on sooo many servers. Get your info straight man.
Last time I checked, I couldn't use F11 to full-screen Gnome Terminal and then F11 to get it back to it's original size. Advanced feature I know, but I use the terminal a lot!
And that's what I really really really fucking hate about Ubuntu LTS releases... so much stuff is broken, and never actually get's fixed. So I wind up having to faff with PPAs afterwards and then hoping that the next LTS will have things fixed.
I used to use Slackware. Don't get me wrong. I love Slackware, but I just don't have time to compile stuff anymore. Not everyone has time to make their own distro, just saying.
LOL - "no even Linux anymore." - how do you figure? It's Linux sure enough, and works just fine. I don't see what all the Ubuntu hate is about these days. The biggest difference between Ubuntu and say Fedora is the package management (and Ubuntu has the option for the Unity desktop, which I rather like. There are just a few small things that I wish were changed and it would be awesome).
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
Universe is also not that great. One of the reasons why a lot of people use Ubuntu is that it has so much is the package archive. Great, until you realize that most packages are in the universe component and are mostly unsupported, buggy and often insecure. So whenever I use Ubuntu nowadays I make sure I only use packages from main, which have much fewer packages available. The ones that are in main tend to be well supported though.
It should be supported 1 more year, at least for servers. Then it's time to make a decision.
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I think they're keeping with having both systemd and upstart available (I'm running 15.10 here with upstart).
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
16.10:
Yammering Yobbo.
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I agree with you - but I bet I make more money than you. A LOT more. It would boggle your mind if you knew how much more. Boggle, not impress.
I comment occasionally so that I can mod others -1 overrated or -1 offtopic.
An AC said: "Which could get Canonical into hot water with the GPL."
Whether or not this is a licence violation depends on Linus Torvalds and The Linux Foundation. They are the ones that set the terms for how Linux is licensed. Under U.S. law at least, it's the copyright owner's intent that matters, and not some third party interpretation interpretation of the licence text.
Torvalds has previously stated that a kernel module can't violate the kernel licence agreement unless it is a derivative work of the kernel (and the module licence violates the GPL). At the very least, it needs to have been designed with knowledge of the Linux internals. Since ZFS was developed independent of Linux, it seems unlikely that The Linux Foundation will be suing Canonical.
If you want to thoroughly understand the issues, you could read Eben Moglen's opinion (he's the lawyer behind the GPL 3): https://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2016/linux-kernel-cddl.html
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I don't see what all the Ubuntu hate is about these days.
This is normal. Ubuntu was exciting, a Linux distro that was suitable for the desktop. They'd even mail out free disks for you to distribute to friends and family, spreading the Good News, the gospel of Linus. Slashdot loved it. It was easy enough for your grandmother to use, painless to setup, and required very little maintenance. Everyone was happy.
Then, it became popular. It was easy to find answers to questions, support, drivers, whatever you needed.
Slashdot hates popular things -- especially popular things that are easy to use and support. If you want to be cool, be intentionally obtuse. Slack, Arch, and Gentoo are a safe bet for now.
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It should be supported 1 more year, at least for servers. Then it's time to make a decision.
Devuan is over that way....
It should be supported 1 more year, at least for servers. Then it's time to make a decision.
April 2014 was the time to make the decision. If you're not in the testing phase for systemd or an alternate distro at this point you're not doing your job.
Nope, 14.04 uses upstart.
I loved Ubuntu right up until they fucked it up with Unity. I went back several times but I just can't deal with it. I'm glad you like it, that's what I love about Linux. I just turned around and started testing distros until I got the right one. Every once in a while I try out the latest Ubuntu but the fit is never right now.
I just opened a terminal & pressed F11. It full screened.
root@server:~# gnome-terminal --version
GNOME Terminal 3.16.2
root@server:~# cat
Ubuntu 15.10 \n \l
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Or whatever, and what are they going to do after that? It is almost as ominous as naming generations of humans after the last few letters of the alphabet....
Wait... you installed a completely different distribution because you didn't like Unity? You didn't just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop or whatever?
I personally like Unity. It feels like a modernized WindowMaker/AfterStep. But if you didn't like it, that's fine - there are plenty of other DE/WM to choose from. I run TDE (KDE 3.x) on several systems, and currently toying around with CDE and MaXX on older machines (Pentium III and older) since they are super lightweight (and MaXX because it provides the fonts for remote IRIX programs to work right)
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
Yeah, Unity is painful. For the casual home user who just needs to launch a browser, it'll do the job, but I can easily understand why it's a deal-breaker for you.
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A typical developer's bullshit response. First, the GP talked about hitting F11 a second time to unfull screen it. That's were the problem is and you didn't test that. Second, if you look at the bug report it's talking about dual monitors.
LXD container hypervisor for ultra-fast and ultra-dense cloud computing demonstrate a commitment to customer needs that sets Ubuntu apart as the platform for innovation and scale
15 years after BSD had Jails, and still managed to fail at the important parts. At least everything seems to work, until it doesn't.
Reminds me of Big Bang Theory... in one episode Sheldon muses that "Windows 7 is so much easier than Windows Vista. I don't like that." In another, he calls Ubuntu his favorite Linux distribution.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
The Linux core was tweaked just enough that the CLI I spent the most time in was my browser's search bar.
Nuked that VM from orbit.
What the fuck does this sentence even mean? What about the "Linux core" has Canonical changed?
I did but it was never the same as when Gnome was the default. I struggled on for a few months but finally went looking elsewhere.
I've settled on PeppermintOS.
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I loved Ubuntu right up until they fucked it up with Unity.
It's trivial to switch desktop window managers, or was it that the thing you loved was just Gnome.
Never had to spend time configuring Manjaro unless I wanted too.
Why XUbuntu is IMHO much nicer (and more responsive) than KDE.
Slashdot hates popular things -- especially popular things that are easy to use and support.
My Linux machine boots from a RAID because I was short on SSDs when I built it. Thus I didn't want systemd in case I had a problem sometime and needed to troubleshoot boot. Therefore, I installed Mint Rebecca. If it weren't for systemd, I'd be using Ubuntu. I'm not eschewing systemd for its popularity, but for its being known to cause complications with the sort of problems I anticipate down the road.
I chose Ubuntu because of its popularity, and that was what I liked best about it. People bothered to do stuff for it. That is always a feature.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
yeah but didn't PeppermintOS do away with openbox? that was one of its stronger features.
I hear that Xerotic Xenu will be the name of the volcanic release.
Your domain expired.
Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
As the AC said, it's when pressing F11 again that it fails to restore back to it's original window size.
My linux machines boot from raid. They use systemd (Debian). The only time I have trouble with one of them was ages ago when I had a sheevaplug that ran Ubuntu (with upstart) -- that thing was fucking up the raid like 1 time out of two.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
It should be supported 1 more year, at least for servers. Then it's time to make a decision.
April 2014 was the time to make the decision. If you're not in the testing phase for systemd or an alternate distro at this point you're not doing your job.
I'm not a sysadmin any more, i just run my own toy servers. There ain't much to evaluate for those.
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Dont get me wrong, I like XFCE but it is not very convenient when used with a multi-monitor setup. After each restart, I had to manually tweak the panel on the second screen to make it display where I wanted it displayed with the applets I wanted in the panel. With KDE, that is not an issue and although KDE is not perfect either, it keeps forgetting the positions of application windows, compared to XFCE it is a lot more convenient.
Also, I haven't noticed any lag or low responsiveness on my primary laptop with an Intel 4700qm processor, 16GB ram, 500GB mSata SSD (aftermarket), 1TB HDD, Intel 4600 graphics (I think) or on my very old (from 2007) laptop with an Intel Core 2 Duo 7200 processor, 2 GB ram, 120GB HDD and Intel integrated graphics. The new laptop actually boots up in under 30 seconds (and that too with the boot sector on the 1TB mag HDD) and even with the SSD, was just over $1000. I normally have Netbeans, a bucketful of tabs in Firefox and Chromium and GIMP (or a Windows 7 instance in VirtualBox with Photoshop) running on the current laptop (or if I am using the older laptop, Netbeans and dozen or so tabs in Chromium or Firefox with GIMP).
Most cheap laptops being sold these days ($350 to $500) are at least as powerful as my old laptop so could you please elaborate the conditions under which you experience lag with KDE? I would honestly like to know the workload which causes KDE to become a stuttering mess (so I can avoid it if at all possible).
The only time I have trouble with one of them was ages ago when I had a sheevaplug that ran Ubuntu (with upstart) -- that thing was fucking up the raid like 1 time out of two.
Yes, the USB on the sheevaplug seems to be less than perfect. I have a Pogo series 4 and I love it. Actually, I have two of the most crap pogos from that generation and they seem to be crap, too. The only one I haven't had problems with is the full-fat version. I have my u-Boot configured to boot only from the internal card slot, and never have a problem finding the disk unless its state is wonky due to power failure. It's on a UPS now, so that doesn't happen any more...
I think sheevaplugs and kin are intensely sensitive to power issue.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
sudo apt install linux-generic-lts-xenial
Woot!
Well, now it's running Debian (with systemd) I have no problems.
(Of course I also replaced the crappy power supply).
(The kernel & initrd are on the built in Flash, the OS is on a mdadm RAID1).
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