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Windows 10 Upgrade Activates By Clicking Red X Close Button In Prompt Message (bbc.co.uk)
Reader Raging Bool writes: In a move guaranteed to annoy many people, Microsoft has "jumped the shark" on encouraging users to upgrade to Windows 10. Microsoft has faced criticism for changing the pop-up box encouraging Windows users to upgrade to Windows 10. Clicking the red cross on the right hand corner of the pop-up box now activates the upgrade instead of closing the box. And this has caused confusion as typically clicking a red cross closes a pop-up notification. The upgrade could still be cancelled, when the scheduled time for it to begin appeared, Microsoft said
The change occurred because the update is now labelled "recommended" and many people have their PCs configured to accept recommended updates for security reasons. This means dismissing the box does not dismiss the update.Brad Chacos, senior editor at the PC World wrote about this incident over the weekend, and described it as a "nasty trick".
That's it, I'm getting my Commodore 64 out of the closet and booting up GEOS.
If you don't move to Windows 10 then you deserve all the security problems you will inevitably have. GUI and "principle" issues aside - it is a smart move.
Most people should be forced to switch. If you are too dumb to prevent the switch then you are in the camp of people who should be forced to switch. The tears mean its working.
I, for one, welcome our Steaming Pile of Dung Overlords.
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair" - George Washington
A guy visits a doctor for a checkup.
D: OK, drop your trowsers and we'll get started.
D: Hmmmm. I'm afraid that you'll have to stop masturbating.
G: What! Why?!
D: Because I'm trying to examine you!
For following years of best practice of automatically installing updates on home machines.
Got it.
If you can't X out of the prompt, how the hell do you stop Windows 10 from installing? My god, they are getting desperate to force Windows 10 on everyone.
Perhaps you mean the white X inside the red square?
But, yeah, this is the kind of thing that malware authors use. It's pretty shady.... if people don't want to upgrade, they don't want to upgrade. You gave them the box and you downloaded (and expanded) all of the files... you have already done everything you can to "promote" Windows 10 (intrusively) on people's computers...
Why are you stooping to this Microsoft?
You may as well just not give people a "choice" at all and just install the damn thing... why the pretense of having a user click something?
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
Somehow.
There has been so much junk from MS over the last few years that my brain immediately plays this off as just more needless UI redesign that no one wanted or asked for.... Only then does it kick into "Yeah, That's pretty slimy...."
It's shit like this that makes me determined as fuck to hold onto 7, 8, whatever. When Google pulled this same fucking bullshit on +, I did the same damned thing and went out of my way to ensure I'd never be bothered with that garbage. Windows 10 is Microsoft's Google Plus.
It seems like all adult supervision has disappeared at Microsoft.
Modern app appers should make sure LUDDITE systems running LUDDITE Windows 7 get appgraded to Appdows 10! That includes every system, not just your own appy apping devices! You should forcefully appgrade your coworkers and friends' LUDDITE computers to appy Appdows 10, because then they'll become appy appers!
Apps!
Amusing that Microsoft wants us to love their stuff when they employ the same tactics as all the sites trying to confuse users into installing malware use.
DogDude and all the other MS shills have assured me that Windows 10 doesn't install itself, it's just my younger sibling playing a prank on me (he/she's obviously quite talented to break into my office and install it on my co-worker's computer!). Of course Microsoft, being the honest company they are, would never ever try to force their ad+spyware onto their customers without their thorough approval given by root password, last four digits of their social security number, and a hand-written letter to the executive board of Microsoft--everybody knows their customers are all serious-business enterprise clients that wouldn't tolerate anything remotely close to what TFA is insinuating, so therefore Microsoft can't be doing it! They are, after all, infallible.
Cant the makers of XP Antivirus 2010 issue some sort of DMCA cease and desist against Microsoft for infringing on their intellectual property? I believe they were the first ones to invent "Pressing the [ X ] button will initiate installation of said software..."
Of course, they didn't mean the best version of Windows for customers. (That would likely be either Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 with a third party tool to restore the start menu/desktop.) They meant the best version of Windows for tracking their users' every move. Using that metric, Windows 10 is the best!
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
I don't think "jump the shark" means what you think it mean.
Going forward, Microsoft has decided that they need to aggressively dump their old OSs as win10 will be their platform for new products and services. (Mostly services)
If you don't want to be on win10, maybe you should take the hint and switch to something else.
Belive it or not I understand MS's point of view here. They know they need to change or simply be left behind. They're actually doing pretty well with their cloud services - Azure and O365 are being adopted like mad.
I'm surprised they're still charging home users for windows a this point.
You just crossed the Red Line.
Morons
-- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
Microsoft said: "With the free Windows 10 upgrade offer ending on 29 July, we want to help people upgrade to the best version of Windows ...
trust us ...
The X button means fucking **quit**, not "minimize", you UI retards. If you're going to hijack the last 40 years of WIMP then give users an option to enable / disable this shit. Preferably the default would be OFF.
Microsoft Windows: noun, A 64-bit compilation of 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition with 0 bit of understanding good UI.
My wife accidentally clicked it on her admittedly elderly machine, now it won't boot up, no way to roll it back, all her files are gone.
This is different than malware... how is that?
Microsoft, you gave us this OS and introduced the masses to the concept of windows in a UI. You were even arrogant enough to name your UI Windows.
And all this time, we have gone through several iterations of your UI, but one constant has remained; the general understanding that if you click the fucking X located in a specific area of any window in your UI, it closes.
This has been by design since the dawn of Windows.
And since you've now taken the path of malware authors with this shady bullshit, we should treat you as such. It's one thing to ask users. It's one thing to force users. It's another matter entirely to trick and deceive users.
Bottom line is it's time to start the class-action lawsuit. This should not be tolerated in any way. Put another way, if malware was introduced into the core OS and deceived users against Microsoft's wishes, you better believe they would be attacking the cause of that problem and look to put a stop to it.
Why so desperate?
So, uh, how's that Free Market workin out for ya, M$... I've never seen you compete in one, and you sure aren't now!
C|N>K
I can't think of anything the fruit peddler has done that comes close to the arrogance Microsoft is showing regarding anything about Windows 10.
It's enough to make a cynical paranoid think Microsoft is being paid to be this obnoxious and intrusive. Paid by whom? I'll leave that to the conspiracy theorists.
Win 10 sounds like a data-collecting piece of spyware, don't it?
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
I love how Microsoft is calling this a recommended UPDATE. There is a generally accepted difference between an upgrade and an update. This clearly crosses that line.
From what I see, it schedules the upgrade, and you have to opt out by going into some other settings to cancel.
It's not that the "X" activates the upgrade - at that point, it's too late.
Still, it's very shady not to give users an obvious choice on the popup, let alone not making it an "opt in" choice.
All of my machines are running Windows 10... shrugs... at this point, all the bitching is basically all about the point of the matter. Win 10 runs fine on the machines I've installed it on (several laptops, 9 or 10 desktops, some 10+ years old). Unless you have some particularly specific niche software or hardware (that can't run in Win7, therefore, not in Win10, since the drivers are mostly the same), people really shouldn't have too many complaints.
I'd be more concerned if Microsoft was pushing people to Win8 and the crappy fail that was the Metro Start Screen. Win10 dialed it back and makes more sense in the case of a desktop/mobile hybrid OS. Still, the exec who is pushing this sort of tactic needs to be fired ASAP.
In a surprising coincidence, I had just finished reading this article when my son burst in saying "Hey Dad something's strange with the gaming PC, it's shutting down saying it's configuring itself for the Windows 10 upgrade, but I never accept that!"
I have a backup . . .
meh
One of my fellow engineers also owns a pet store (run by his wife and son). Over the weekend their computer that runs their point of sale software upgraded itself. The store's software does not run on Windows 10, so this was a mess for them while they spent the effort and time to downgrade. He is suitably pissed.
Over the weekend I set up a new Win 10 machine for Dad (store bought HP Envy). Going through updates and installs I found one nasty surprise, Flash was installed by default on this box. I was hoping to wean him over to HTML5 with this upgrade (from Vista !), but HP builds them with Flash already in place. Went ahead and made Firefox64 the default browser, and Chrome as an alternative, but since Cortana and all MS services default to MS Edge no matter what you set, it's going to be a mixed operation from now on
Behold, this dreamer cometh. Come now, and let us slay him... and we shall see what will become of his dreams.
Given the long-held tradition of US FedGov doing jack-shit for consumers, I've hoped that the EU regulators will yet-again drag Microsoft by their tiny, tiny balls back into court and brutalize them like MS is doing to Win 7/8 users, but the silence is deafening. Perhaps Brexit is taking up all their cycles?
Microsoft hasn't changed as much as they like to say they have, so glad I moved off windows years ago, go linux!
This is the same crap that malware distributors use to trick you into installing garbage on your system, displaying fake windows with fake widgets.
Why not just force the install without any user interaction at all? That would be more honest. This aren't getting consent, they aren't allowing user choice, so why the trickery to somehow involve the user in a process you're going to do with or without them?
The only think I can think is that it is a victim-blaming manipulation strategy. Most people will try to close the window, see that the install launched, assume they made a mistake (that they can't verify because now the window has vanished), then after the panic subsides, sigh and resign themselves to their fate. So they'll blame themselves instead of blaming Microsoft.
I already knew I didn't trust them. It's nice to be vindicated, I guess. It certainly pours gasoline on my cynicism and paranoia regarding humanity.
Microsoft is a really serious, trustworthy and reliable company. It has really changed since the past! I mean, there's no way they'd even thought about pulling this kind of shit in the 90's...
If this assholery doesn't doom Microsoft from ANY kind of serious business, enterprise or agency, nothing will. They are basically screaming "we're crooks", but I guess "so schlimm kann es doch nicht sein".... A LOT of people are about to get a rude awakening, eventually.
That's what Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, and many other companies and governments are doing; they are attempting to seize control over you and your apps and your data; They already claim ownership over some of your personal data, and soon they will try to claim ownership over the rest of your data; your spreadsheets, word documents, etc. etc.
Get control back in your hands, move to Linux now and be done with it.
Get over it, Windows 10 is meant to be the big bug & security fix release, it so happens that it also comes with some UI changes, so what? Pick your fights, people.
Now everyone is a prom queen and has just found the prompt kings hand wandering
Who is responsible to support Win 10 ?
The OEM did NOT install this. If MS is forcing this on people they should be taking over OS support!
I was impressed my dad didn't fall for NOW or LATER. This is too much, if he calls for helps I am referring him to MS since I know nothing about 10, nor care to. Might be learning Ubuntu or something at this rate :(
I see someone has sneaked a peak at next years' business plan.
We are upgrading your system...resistance is futile...
You're messin' with my Zen Thing, man.....
Whoops sorry, I misread your comment... but you were close. FTFY
If you move to Windows 10 then you deserve all the security problems you will inevitably have. GUI and "principle" issues aside - it is not a smart move.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
This is so blatently at odds with all of their own UI design principles, that there's no way to justify it as anything other than intentional deception. Can some of you US citizen splease complain to the FTC, for the world's sake? At least you can say you tried, years down the road when they've completely destroyed the concept of owning one's own PC.
MS has already announced that anyone with the GWX.exe program on their PC (KB3035583) will receive Windows 10 by July 29th whether they want it or not. So if you have not already uninstalled KB3035583 and do not want windows 10, please do so soon. Otherwise you'll turn your PC on one day and it will be booting into windows 10.
People used to laugh at me when I told them my Win 7 install is never connected to a network.
Look, there are a zillion things that MS did which are sneaky and downright reprehensible with regards to pushing Windows 10, but this is NOT one of them. Has anybody seen the actual dialog? It is NOT a question asking whether you want to upgrade. It is only a notification informing you that your PC is scheduled to upgrade since you have recommended updates turned on. Your PC would have updated to 10 in any case even if that dialog were not to popup, because 10 is a recommended upgrade. This notification is in reality offering you a chance to opt of it - I remember "click here if you want to change your update setting or cancel the upgrade" or something of that sort. Then an OK button. Clicking on "X" is not somehow "activating" an upgrade. It actually does nothing, as required of a notification dialog - it is just letting the already scheduled upgrade proceed, which is what one should expect.
If anything is sneaky, it is TFA which portrays the dialog box in a false light. The entire media just repeats without once stopping to think - it has become fashionable in tech media to hit on MS pushing Win 10, but this kind of reporting only detracts from the credibility of reporting on all the real sneaky things that MS is doing.
I am ready to join the class action lawsuit as soon as an lawyer has enough guts to go after Microsoft.
Disclaimer, I do use Windows 10 on my machines at home and especially my gaming rig.
The laptops, because that was what came installed, but the gaming rig, obviously since it is actually pretty good for gaming.
I do not really mind the OS itself, but I am growing tired of this constant crap they are pulling. Like forcing my to use Bing! I fucking hate Bing. If I accidentally search with Bing, I will go to google and search again even if the Bing answer may have been correct. I HATE Bing!
I really hope that this year, with Vulcan coming online, my biggest reason for not switching to Linux will be gone. I can imagine that Steam can really help to push Linux on gaming with the HTC vive. I have ordered it myself.
I'll need to update my graphics card, but I need to see what's on tap from AMD first.
It could finally be time for the Linux desktop.
This is exactly why free software (in the vein of what Richard Stallman calls for) needs to be supported. *YOU*, the user, must own complete control over your computer and the software it runs, not developers (much of the more liberal open source licenses are about developer rights, not user rights -- big difference!) or corporations.
I know many of you would object, "But I bought this computer, it's not Microsoft's!". Well I wholeheartedly agree, but the thing is, Windows being proprietary closed source means that Microsoft has a claim to intellectual property rights. Microsoft believes that you license Windows, not own it. Essentially, they still own the software on your computer. Again, I know that *you* disagree, but it kinda doesn't matter what you think -- Microsoft has money and lawyers and they push for the outcome they want. Which is to own your computer. And if they own it, they're technically allowed to do whatever they want with it, including force upgrades. That is the nature of licensing agreements -- you agree to their licensing rules, which means they can do whatever they want.
If this bothers you, switch to a free software OS. Some flavor of Linux or even BSD. Get involved in the free software community, both the technical community (making more/better free software) and the political community (that lobbies for changes to copyright law, tries to get government to adopt open standards, etc.). We have to fight back, or you can expect more behavior like this from Microsoft, Apple, etc., in the future.
"Free comes with a dick up your ass." - Future (8 Mile)
FYI: GWX Control Panel will get rid of all the windows 10 BS and even get rid of an windows 10 upgrade in progress. Worked for me and was clean.
Being the tech support for my family, I spent last Sunday restoring Win7 on my parents laptop.
They're in their 70s, they're comfortable with Win7, didn't ask,request or give permission for Win10 to install itself.
They didn't like what they saw, and in their own words "wanted our computer back the way it was"
Fucking hell Microsoft, even Apple aren't this cunty at forcing shit on people. (well, apart from that U2 album incident).
My local PC shop is doing a roaring trade in rolling people back to Win7 , customers aren't baulking at their £95 fee either.
Says it all.
Why not switch to Linux or Mac and emulate a windows environment if you must?
What a dumb marketing choice as far as names go.
Anyway I don't think Vulkan will turn out to be the miracle tool everybody is hoping it will be and I forsee a lot of hassles as 'legacy' OGL hardware support is dropped as a result.
Check out Never10, a free, nifty little utility from GRC to make sure your Windows box's settings are such that 10 won't be installed:
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm
Handy!
Is piss them off so next time they buy Apple products.
Lets stipulate you don't expose any ports to Microsoft listeners (RDP, IIS, SMB..etc), don't use Microsoft browsers and don't have to worry about multiple user accounts any thoughts on wholesale firewalling the entire Microsoft domain and be done with it?
In the past there have been defects in IP stack, font rendering and various things that could bleed thru and affect someone simply running software or browsing the web but I flat out don't trust Microsoft to even behave rationally anymore and I'm losing confidence even "critical" security updates are worth it until we switch to Linux.
If you are a Canadian, I would invite you to report this as a violation of Canada's Anti-Spam legislation that also now covers unauthorized installation of software. Hopefully, having enough Canadians reporting this issue will cause the government to take action against Microsoft. Microsoft should not be permitted to "trick" users into installing software - this is not consent.
Report here:
http://fightspam.gc.ca/eic/site/030.nsf/frm-eng/MMCN-9EZV6S
Enjoy winning your lawsuit in a decade and getting a coupon for $10 off Office 2026.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
You're dismissing the box wrong
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
So long as you're using Windows updates, they're going after you with road gravel and Lye for lube.
This is as bad as those internet popups that nag you about leaving the website when you close a page, then install malware no matter what button you click.
I never click on those popups. When I get these anymore I pull the plug on the internet, use System Monitor (I'm on a Mac) to force the browser to close (bypasses the popup), re-open the browser and close ALL pages except for a blank page (check for pop-unders!), close the browser, THEN it is safe to re-connect the internet and open the browser.
I don't regret my move to Mac one bit after seeing Microsoft go this low. Way to lose customers to Apple, Microsoft! What's next, a Sony-style rootkit on music CDs?
Eternity: will that be smoking, or non-smoking? I Corinthians 6:9-10
This is why my gaming Windows 8.1 PC is set up to check for updates but not to download anything automatically. I can then examine the KB for each download and then block/hide the undesirable updates.
No sig. Move along - nothing to see here.
I wonder what the chances are that Microsoft will invoke a totally forced upgrade for:
(a) ...all Windows 7 PCs, regardless of GWX registry settings or install type (home/pro/enterprise)
(b) ...all Windows 7 PCs missing GWX registry?
(c) ...all Windows 7 Home and Pro editions with/without GWX registry?
I guess at this point I can see them pulling the pin on it and just not giving a shit as many customers have no choice but to keep running Windows, and while for some it may totally break their software, for possibly many others it will just piss them off and they will keep working but MS will have "won" having upgraded them off 7..
So much this! I have computers interacting with legacy hardware that this would totally bork. When are someone going to start a class-action lawsuit? Or will the EU go after MS for anti-trust issues and finally break them up?
Down somewhere in the Edge preferences, there's an advanced options dialog where you can prevent Flash from running.
I wondered why I saw a message congratulating me on scheduling my Windows 10 "upgrade". I found the cancel link, but I think I had to acknowledge at least twice that I didn't want their malwar....er...upgrade. Apparently, this is an indication that Microsoft knows that Windows 10 is about as popular as Kim Jong Un, that is, you must be forced to take it.
Really?
1) This wasn't an operating system update, this was an upgrade. This means a whole new operating system, not just adjustments.
2) The reasons why I didn't want to upgrade yet
a) Some of my wife's old programs wouldn't (and didn't work) on Win10 and I wanted to see about an upgrade path for that software BEFORE Microsoft forced it on me. This is absolutely despicable.
b) I have all kinds of ad blockers to avoid the problems they can present, but now Microsoft bypasses all of that in the OS? Fuck MS
3) The previous 100 dialogs presented were "opt in". This particular dialog switched to "opt out". Furthermore, the dialog layout makes you have to deliberately go through the whole dialog and see the right link and it's not obvious at all visually which link to choose from immediately. By my UI standards, they deliberately chose to do this to trick people who use muscle memory to just click the "X" and not realize they were implicitly agreeing to this.
4) You really think bundling constant ads for a full upgrade with critical software updates for security protection is a good thing???? Fuck MS.
So Microsoft knew exactly what they were doing and it's obvious they were tricking customers who do not pour through each dialog constantly crammed in their face into upgrading against their will.
So fuck you if you think this is an OK practice. You're probably the middle manager in Microsoft who thought this despicable practice was OK to do.
So I'm going to reinstall a previous Windows OS in a virtual environment and turn off the updates. Fuck all of you as I do not give a shit if I get that OS "owned". It doesn't matter, Microsoft is now doing the owning anyways.
I think Bing is appropriately named, if it is named after that useless machine in the beginning of Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life".
As a concerned lawyer (liar, rather), I'm interested to know when the class-action business is going to start.
Why do people keep on asking this as if somehow everyone has to use android? phones are phones the dumber the better.
or not buy nothing, and just try a linux distro again
Yes, I reached that conclusion today; my next laptop will not be a Windows OS system. The only thing I need Windows for now is to run PC games.
-Bob-
Let me guess, you can't uninstall those things, despite the EU ruling that doing that with Internet Explorer was illegal...
Microsoft PR wants to boast how this was fastest adopted version ever. This would not naturally happen without their trickery, and maybe not even then. They systematically unleash all kinds of tricks to adjust the adoption curve when needed, it seems.
Better than a class-action lawsuit is quit using Windows.
they now use STOP for GO
No, Microsoft deceived its users.
And the U.S. Federal Trade Commission again does nothing, but keeps signing the our cheque nether the less.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
I upgraded to Windows 10 willingly. Twice - on two computers. I don't know why you're moaning. I don't have this problem :)
Ultimately, Microsoft will be able to get away with this, and there isn't thing one anybody can do about it. I'm sure this type of thing is covered under their EULA (yes, even the Win7/8.x EULAs), and they're response will be something like "Don't like it? Don't use Windows".
And the tragedy of all of this is most people will just go along with this and accept it. I've said for a long time that most people use Windows because they don't know any better. I often get a lot of flack for saying that, even on tech boards like this one. But anybody who is seriously surprised by Microsoft's actions with regard to Windows 10 has not been paying attention. Microsoft has been aiming for this scenario for decades, and what they are doing now is a Bill Gates/Steve Balmer/Satya Nadella wet dream! Most people will have to go along with it because so many custom or specialty apps are built for Windows. Those who are motivated might port their apps over to MacOS or Linux, but it will be a long time (a year, maybe two) before such apps would be available to end-users. In the meantime, Microsoft will be able to run roughshod over their entire user base and flip them off in the process.
I stopped using Windows as my main operating system in 1998, and I'm SO glad I did! I'm not touching Windows 10 with a 10-mile pole!
I got hit by this force windows 10 upgrade while I was in a college final class. Microsoft go blow a hole.
Over the weekend I set up a new Win 10 machine for Dad (store bought HP Envy). Going through updates and installs I found one nasty surprise, Flash was installed by default on this box. I was hoping to wean him over to HTML5 with this upgrade (from Vista !), but HP builds them with Flash already in place. Went ahead and made Firefox64 the default browser, and Chrome as an alternative, but since Cortana and all MS services default to MS Edge no matter what you set, it's going to be a mixed operation from now on
You set it in control panel now. Setting it to default in the browser itself will not work.
Yes Red X means do it.
Where is the Please God No Button?
Everyone is doing it. 1) Turn on something by default. 2) Make you have to jump through a bunch of hoops in order to opt out or turn it off. 3) Charge you a lot of money if you fail to do so. My phone company does it. My satellite company does it. My credit card company does it......
Microsoft have been wantonly abusing their customers with these non-consentual updates to Windows 10. This should not stand. There needs to be strong legal action against this sort of thing. Let's start by calling it what it is: #WindowsUpdateRape.
I didn't consent to the upgrade, I repeatedly said no, Microsoft repeatedly re-pushed the same upgrader and nagware to my machine. The best way to describe this behavior is "update rape".
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Like on every bit on malware, ethically bankrupt popup add etc etc. Which is what windows appears to be moving toward: a bit of morally bankrupt malware hellbent on forcing installation whether you want it or not.
I recently had the job of restoring a vista pc who's wga key (label on the pc) became invalid three years ago, and was finally infected by a bitcoin ransom ware file locker. Nobody wanted to help.with the wga thing, the ransomware reminded me of sony corporation
It now has a copy of linux on it and the files where backed up - it seems to suit the user.and the hardware still works
I would love to know why the wga key became invalid and being that i am not sure i could convince anybody to part with cash for a microsoft product and discover that they dont really own it.
I hope many people do what i did by looking at alternative solutions
Waiting for July 30th when all this silliness will end. Please.
Guess I need to block Microsoft updates/servers until then. That's fine - only use Win7 for recording TV. That OS only goes on the internet to get TV schedule data anyway, which MSFT screwed up last July.
Switched to better, free, more secure, easier to use, platforms back in 2007 for almost everything. Just TV recording is left on Windows. Plus the other OSes are easier to maintain - patching not just 1st-party software, but 3rd party tools WITH THE SAME COMMAND, AT THE SAME TIME.
I'm always surprised about what people will put up with.
Pretty sure you can uninstall Flash if you want. Pretty sure Firefox also lets you disassociate Flash from the file extension as well.
Not sure if Flashblock is still a viable extension in Firefox, though. ... mostly because I pretty much extirpated Flash from my (Vista) system.
Hey, don't laugh at me. It still plays Civ IV, so I still don't have any free time...
Maybe this is for the Japanese market, where the X and O on a Playstation controller are backwards compared to how North Americans would expect.
Japan:
X is Cancel, O is Do
US:
O is Cancel, X is Do.
My friends: So convinced am I of Microsoft's perfidy that, some time in the next 6-24 months, Microsoft will attempt to revoke the Secure Boot keys for Windows 7 and 8, and every machine with a UEFI BIOS still running 7 and 8 will refuse to boot. The government will do nothing. The industry press, though publicly wringing its hands in consternation, will do nothing. The only proffered "fix" will be a Windows 10 install.
"Can you prove it won't happen?"
Editor, A1-AAA AmeriCaptions
I had no difficulty setting chrome as the default browser on my personal box and any searches I do I do from the address/search bar in the browser so I don't think Cortana is picking that up
Must be sponsored by Upgrades Sans Frontières...
"I'm not anti-anything, I'm anti-everything, it fits better." - Sole
I am Microsofts worst nightmare. Nothing should scare Microsoft more than an educated customer.
Apple, where is your kickback program when I need it?
Kind Regards,
me
http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/imac
At least that is how I took care of my Windows 10 issue. Now my OS is version ten and actually doesn't suck.
Your codependency has gotten completely out of hand.
Didn't Microsoft say that at the end of XP they would release a tool that stopped the request for Activation? Tons of people would go back to XP if this was available.
that implies merely extreme lameness, not menacing danger.
the correct metaphor is that MS are getting desperate and violent in their attempt to get a little kid to come and get some of the sweets they have in the back of their van.
I do believe that violates Microsoft Certification of Software. Which is Hilarious!
in fact, I haven't updated any of my windows machines past 7SP1. First thing I do on a fresh install: turn automatic updates off. GWX PROBLEM SOLVED!
Funny story: I had a letter through from my internet carrier recently saying that one or more of the computers in my home have become infected with Conficker. Now this is weird, since last I checked Conficker was a Windows worm, and being as all my Windows boxen are airgapped and have no network access beyond temporary LAN connection for pulling from the local repository, the only systems I have which are connected to my broadband are Linux machines and well, I don't know if/how Conficker runs on Linux. Anyone? Or is Virgin Media just trying to sell me some overpriced, overstuffed and subutility Windows antivirus package that a: I don't really need and b: I can't use on my networked systems anyway?
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
I am not a lawyer.
Why are there not lawsuits everywhere over this behavior? Really, WHY?
They have wasted hours of my time figuring out how to avoid the installation of the spyware. My time is not cheap, and I really feel like they have no right to be forcing me to spend my time fighting them. As far as I am concerned, they need to reimburse my time at typical consulting rate for this, and a premium on top of that for the screaming insanity of the behavior.
Seriously, when did they get the right to screw with my system at their leisure, and force me to actively counteract them installing software that I consider only to benefit them, and not to benefit me? How does this happen?
Simple solution... are you ready?
Disable Windows update completely. Period. Not even running the Windows Update service. Rename the .dll or .exe if you need to.
I did this and it is so nice and quiet on my laptop for a few months now.
If you support the PC of some elderly person which is not very savy then do him/her a favor and just diasable this annoyance. It is based on FUD mostly anyway.
You can reenable it after Windows 10 becomes a paid for option. Then they will not do the automatic update as you will need to pay for it.
I'm one of the few who actually likes Windows 10, but this thing, which I just experienced first hand today on a Windows 7 machine is over the line for obnoxious. Geeze, let people stay on older versions if they want to. This is too much shoving it down people's throats. All the nagging really needs to go away now. People who are interested in upgrading have probably already done so, this is just pissing people off now. I like Windows 10 and this level of shoving is pissing me off. Stop now.
come on, Microsoft just want to be another Google. Like everything they copy, they will lose, again and again.
The big players on the net just want to put you on a spit and slowly roast you over a fire.
"No means yes, yes means Windows 10"
I thought I'd throw in a few thoughts for people transitioning away from Windows.
Wine, a program that runs Windows software on Linux, might look attractive at first. Most of the time, it works better to run Linux / open software on Linux. You'll probably end up happier if you consider Wine as last resort, when you really want a specific brand of software (game?) that's Windows-only. How often did you use a Linux emulator to run Linux software on Windows? Examples - use Chrome or Firefox, rather than trying to run IE under Wine. Use LibreOffice/OpenOffice rather than Microsoft Office. For most people, Gimp will be better than Photoshop under Wine (graphics professionals will mostly be using Macs).
For taxes, that's something you do once per year. Good tax software is available under Linux, for countries other than the US. For US taxes, why screw around installing different different things trying to find something that runs well locally when the providers are all focusing on their online services. Ibuse Taxact.com. Better to have my taxes done in a few hours than to spend a few hours each year screwing around with different software.
The real power of Linux, the biggest advantage over Windows, is at the command line. Once you get used to using your main applications in GUI, experiment and learn a bit of the command line. It can save you many hours of tedious clicking.
If you really get stuck, the very same programmers who wrote Linux and created all of the open source software are here to help you! You wouldn't ever imagine that you could email Microsoft and the lead programmer for MS Office would personally answer your question, but that's exactly what happens with Linux, if you have a good question. Eric S. Raymond wrote a somewhat tongue-in-cheek but very useful guide to getting help called How To Ask Questions the Smart Way. Yes, you should use Google first (include the word "howto" in your searches) and maybe even read the directions. If you do your part and can't find an answer, though, you may well get an answer from Linus, or Ted Tso for filesystem issues, from Daniel J Bernstein for qmail his other software, from me for storage and Perl stuff, etc.
I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid you can't do that. (Maybe it works in non-Cortana "MS Services", whatever those might be)
I declined to enable Cortana on my laptop during the upgrade. We'll see how long before I start getting popup windows insisting I turn it on (with options for [Enable] [Activate] [Turn On] and an [x] button in the corner that automatically agrees to Cortana's EULA)
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
Click the X and you get 10. Sweet!
Get your dogma outta my yard!
If this will be referred to as Windowsgate.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
This is finally it.
Microsoft are dicks after all? Global Mother Fucking Spyware revealed now? OH NO SHIT!?!?
distrowatch.com
Ubuntu and Fedora/Redhat AVOID. (Microsoft wannabe's).
The rest are awesome.
Since egde is an app and not some underlying OS function, (after all, it's new, the hooks can't be deep) then MS should be able to comply and let you uninstall it at least
I realized that what I wrote about taxes wasn't exactly clear. For my business taxes, there is bookeeping data that drives the income and expense figures. I do my bookeeping in Gnucash. The taxes themselves are just a collection of forms, no real "data". For a form wizard to fill in the forms, I use Taxact.com, then save the output locally.
It's cheaper amd faster to use an online tax service than to set up a Windows VM and buy Windows tax software. Obviously that's personal preference, but consider the online option, saving the output locally when you're done. The online versions are better anyway because that's where companies are putting their development efforts.
Their code is closed and it is allowed BY LAW to disregard your desires to "protect intellectual property". It is insisted BY LAW (though usually by de facto rather than actual law) that the computer and all the software IS NOT YOURS but the property of the maker. And if you don't use MS products, you can't access ISP help, use most hardware with actual support already included in the price, or even access government required documents and resources. You can still do so in almost every case, but it is all entirely your fault if it doesn't work.
It's even becoming mandatory to trust only Microsoft (and definitely not yourself) with the UEFI secure boot system getting required in more and more places with no recourse for you anywhere in the legal world.
So in what fucking sense is it ANY customers fault they trusted microsoft? THERE WAS NO CHOICE NOT TO.
Sounds to me more like people need to READ the popup that happens... Microsoft is in the wrong for how they're pushing this, by they by no means upgraded without consent... if you read the window it clearly says that they will be upgrading at the HUGE FONT TIME specified. PEBKAC error.
I was hard at work on my Win8.1 machine, and the "Upgrade"-dialog popped up. I dismissed it; (yes, by clicking the red 'X'.)
Next, I took a call from a client, and mid-conversation, I saw that my machine was busy upgrading to Win10. I had to excuse myself for losing my train of thought during our conversation, and had to wait almost two hours for it to complete, then another hour for it to downgrade once I refused the Terms of Service. I was furious, and let Microsoft know it.
1, 2, 3.11, 95, 98, NT4.5, NT5, 2000, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10 (9 must have really sucked balls... did anyone hear about it?), Who cares, really, what version it is? Your computer is still going to Blue Screen and go pout in a corner like a moody teenager unless you use it exclusively for the tasks it was meant to do: i.e. gaming and re-partitioning your drive to install Linux for real work :P
It is BAD for EVERYONE to allow this sort of unethical, dishonest behavior. It is incumbent on ALL peoples to demand that the entity 'Microsoft' fix this, and all related behaviors, immediately in order to regain any integrity. Until MS stops treating people like money mines, they need to be boycotted.
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/22322-upgrade-windows-10-update-enable-disable-windows-7-8-1-a.html
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm