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Citigroup Sues AT&T For Saying 'Thanks' To Customers (techdirt.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Citigroup has a trademark on "THANKYOU" and is currently using it to sue ATT for using "Thanks." Ars Technica reports: "Who knew? Banking giant Citigroup has trademarked 'THANKYOU' and is now suing technology giant ATT for how it says thanks to its own loyal customers. This is 'unlawful conduct' amounting to wanton trademark infringement, Citigroup claims in its federal lawsuit." Citigroup doesn't appear to be gracious in its branding: Despite actual knowledge of Citigroup's substantial use of and exclusive rights in the THANKYOU Marks, Citigroup's use of the marks in connection with ATT co-branded credit cards, and Citigroup's concerns regarding ATT's proposed trademarks, ATT launched a customer loyalty program under the trademarks "thanks" and "ATT thanks" on or about June 2, 2016. ATT's use of the "thanks" and "ATT thanks" trademarks is likely to cause consumer confusion and constitutes trademark infringement, false designation of origin, and unfair competition in violation of Citigroup's rights. Citigroup therefore seeks to enjoin ATT's infringing conduct and to recover damages based on the injury ATT's conduct has caused to Citigroup as well as ATT's unjust enrichment. In April, ATT applied to trademark "ATT THANKS." Citigroup wants that trademark to be rejected because it thinks that proposed trademark is "confusingly similar to Citigroup's "THANKYOU Marks," according to its lawsuit.

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  1. I Love You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Welcome to COSTCO, I Love You.

    Idiocracy at its best!

    1. Re:I Love You by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I always wondered why they said "I love you", seemed weird to me.

      Seeing stupid bullshit like being able to trademark "Thank you" does explain it all though.

      United States of America, land of the lawsuits.

    2. Re:I Love You by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Idiocracy at its best!

      I think it's a brilliant way to transfer money. Somebody gets a nice write off, while the other scurries off to the Caymans. They perform this circus to give the papers something to print.

      Thanks Obama! ®

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    3. Re:I Love You by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 5, Funny

      AT&T should just trademark "Fuck you", which is what they're really doing to customers. I don't think Citigroup would object, since their real motto, "Screw you", sounds substantially different.

    4. Re:I Love You by michelcolman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They do have a point. You know, whenever someone says "thank you" to me, I always naturally assume that they are working for Citigroup. When it turns out they don't work for Citigroup and they were just saying it to be nice, it confuses the hell out of me. Could everyone please stop abusing registered trademarks like that? Thank you.

    5. Re:I Love You by slashrio · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, they don't say "Thank you", Citigroup says "Thankyou".
      If AT&T would just say "Thank you", there wouldn't be any problem.
      To me it's a mystery why anyone would intentionally make an error, but hey, that's why it's a big company:
      The bigger the more stupid they behave.

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    6. Re:I Love You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I always wondered why they said "I love you", seemed weird to me.

      I thought it was because they wanted to be closely associated with a particularly nasty computer virus from the '90s.

    7. Re:I Love You by Ivoch · · Score: 4, Funny

      He makes a WHOOOSH thousand dollars.

    8. Re:I Love You by jafiwam · · Score: 2

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8zNsUTWsOc

      Scary how much this ficticious movie is getting close to reality.

      It's not fiction. It's a future documentary from an alternate universe. The Time Macheen depicted in the movie is real. The only thing is it malfunctions and each time it's run (that is, each time the heroes realize it doesn't exist) it bumps that universe over one and closer to ours.

      That's why our universe gets more and more like the movie every day.

    9. Re:I Love You by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      No, they don't say "Thank you", Citigroup says "Thankyou". If AT&T would just say "Thank you", there wouldn't be any problem.

      FTFA: AT&T is saying "thanks". Apparently there is a problem, since there's no "you" there in any way.

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    10. Re:I Love You by geekmux · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They do have a point. You know, whenever someone says "thank you" to me, I always naturally assume that they are working for Citigroup. When it turns out they don't work for Citigroup and they were just saying it to be nice, it confuses the hell out of me. Could everyone please stop abusing registered trademarks like that? Thank you.

      No, they don't really have a point. Either of the entities involved here.

      Terms like "Thank you" and "Thanks" are as common in everyday vernacular as "Hello" or "Hi", and should not be granted legal protections to the point of tying up the legal system in some battle based on utter stupidity.

      I've never even heard of the association between Citigroup and "thank you", and I'm willing to bet plenty of English-speaking humans on this planet also don't subscribe or recognize this marketing gimmick. I also have a really hard time believing this causes you confusion. Chances are your mother or father taught you the words and meaning of "thank you" long before some banking conglomerate decided to try and legally abuse it for their brand of marketing brainwash.

    11. Re: I Love You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think Captain Kangaroo has the real prior claim, to both "please" AND "thank you".

    12. Re:I Love You by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Thanks for pointing that out.

    13. Re:I Love You by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      I've never even heard of the association between Citigroup and "thank you", and I'm willing to bet plenty of English-speaking humans on this planet also don't subscribe or recognize this marketing gimmick. I also have a really hard time believing this causes you confusion.

      Wow... I gotta wind up for this one. It's a really doozy. Woo... wait for it... WOO... here it comes... WOOOOO... OKAY, EVERYBODY TOGETHER NOW!!!!....

      WHOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!!

      P.S. Why both this post AND the parent are both modded "Insightful" is incredibly bizarre to me. Are the mods on crack this morning??

    14. Re:I Love You by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      It's not fiction. It's a future documentary from an alternate universe. The Time Macheen depicted in the movie is real. The only thing is it malfunctions and each time it's run (that is, each time the heroes realize it doesn't exist) it bumps that universe over one and closer to ours.

      Absolutely. I have to admit that I love the Time Masheen as is:

      ... We are going to take you back... First to the year 1939 when Charlie Chaplin and his evil Nazi regime enslaved Europe and tried to take over the world. But then an even greater force emerged: The 'UN'. And the 'UN' un-Nazied the world... forever!"

      The dinosaurs really make it.

    15. Re:I Love You by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      ROTFLMAO! It is gems like this that /. the best.

    16. Re:I Love You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ummmm.... you know the OP was kidding, right?

    17. Re:I Love You by BitZtream · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sarcasm. look it up. Then you won't look so stupid for stating exactly what the previous post did.

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    18. Re:I Love You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think your sarcasm detector is broken...

    19. Re:I Love You by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      "Thankyou" or "Thank you" should be the same thing, not that it should be allowed to be trademarked in the first place anyway.

      Try and register "App le" or "Micro soft", you won't get very far. Even with a different spelling, MikeRoweSoft lost its case.

    20. Re:I Love You by LiquidAvatar · · Score: 1

      They do have a point. You know, whenever someone says "thank you" to me, I always naturally assume that they are working for Citigroup. When it turns out they don't work for Citigroup and they were just saying it to be nice, it confuses the hell out of me. Could everyone please stop abusing registered trademarks like that? Thank you.

      A Citigroup lawyer somewhere just read this post, willfully ignored the sarcasm, high-fived the intern who found it, then filed it as evidence in support of their ridiculous trademark...

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    21. Re: I Love You by ememisya · · Score: 1

      Well at least the judge won't be bored. I suspect a closing statement which will end with THANKYOU.

    22. Re:I Love You by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately, YouTube is blocked for me here, so I have little idea what the link is about.

      But I do think you're overcomplicating things with your alternate universe theory.

      Let me offer my own alternate universe theory from Star Trek to explain this world we live in: if you're familiar with the Star Trek universe, you'll know that the TV shows touch on alternate universes several times. Most famous is the "Mirror, Mirror" episode from TOS where a transporter accident causes Kirk to be transported to an alternate universe where Spock has a goatee and the humans are basically evil, and instead of a United Federation of Planets, there's a "Terran Empire" that makes the Klingons and Romulans (in the normal universe) look like saints. This universe was explored further in Enterprise in two great episodes in the last season, where the TOS Enterprise somehow gets pulled into the mirror universe (and back in time too) and evil Captain Archer uses it for his own gain as it's far more powerful than the existing technologies.

      The problem with Star Trek in general is that it seems extremely unrealistic (and I don't mean technologies which defy our understanding of physics like warp drive): the people in it are simply too *good*: they're altruistic, they're extremely competent (when do you ever see incompetence on the Enterprise? Compare that to your workplace or our government.), they're not corrupt, they're not greedy, they're only slightly flawed but overall are great people. We viewers like to think to ourselves that this is what the future will be like when we achieve a post-scarcity society and aren't required to work for a living to survive and pay the bills, and learn not to be greedy, racist, etc.

      There's a much simpler explanation: Star Trek is actually realistic (about its portrayal of human characters), the catch is, we're in the mirror universe!. The universe where the humans are blatantly evil conquerors who enslave other races and fly around the quadrant destroying and subjugating every civilization we can find: that's us! If we figure out how to build warp-capable starships, that's exactly how we'll act. Those altruistic and competent characters we know and love from TOS and TNG, that's in some other universe where humans are good. We don't live in that universe.

      Hopefully, for the sake of intelligent beings across the galaxy, the humans in the good-human universes have figured out how to teleport between universes at will, and have sent agents to our universe to sabotage our efforts to achieve interstellar travel.

    23. Re:I Love You by unrtst · · Score: 1

      ThankYouVeryMuch!
      THANKSALOT!
      YOUREWELCOME!
      MYCONDOLENCES!
      THANKYOUCOMEAGAIN! ... could go on for a LONG LONG time. "THANKYOU" trademark should have been denied. That said, I suspect the only people that will make any money from this lawsuit will be the lawyers (and related staff).

    24. Re:I Love You by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Guess you don't get sarcasm... To *my* sarcasm detector, that was some *serious* sarcasm... guy just forgot the /s for those of you who don't understand sarcasm... I wonder.. Is THAT you, Sheldon??

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    25. Re:I Love You by drubbo · · Score: 1

      Maybe he's German. I heard they don't get sarcasm.

    26. Re:I Love You by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Or FUCKYOU (tm).

    27. Re:I Love You by infolation · · Score: 2

      Citigroup's THANKYOU trademark only protects them from other companies operating in the same market sector using the protected mark.

      They were able to get the trademark because banks saying THANKS are so rare. For example, they would not have been able to take out a trademark on the phrase F***YOU because that's so common in the banking sector.

    28. Re:I Love You by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting conspiracy theory (and I mean that sincerely), but the transaction costs (court fees, lawyer salaries, etc.) seem unacceptably high.

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    29. Re:I Love You by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      They're not trademarking saying "Thank You". They're trademarking a rewards program called "Thank You". And they didn't sue AT&T. They asked the USPTO not to give AT&T a trademark on rewards programs called "Thanks" or "ATT Thanks". Which is at least as overreaching.

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    30. Re:I Love You by slashrio · · Score: 1

      AT&T is saying "thanks".

      Thanks, I had totally missed that.
      Saying "Thanks" is just normal language and Citigroup ought to lose that case.
      And I think saying "Thanks" is also protected by the first amendment, in the US that is.

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    31. Re:I Love You by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Your first two assertions are totally true.
      Microsoft vs. MikeRoweSoft however was eventually settled, not lost. From your own link (wikipedia):
      "A settlement was eventually reached, with Rowe granting ownership of the domain to Microsoft in exchange for an Xbox and additional compensation."

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    32. Re:I Love You by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Good point, I forgot that.

      Such a great name for a ship too.

  2. This is quite possibly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The dumbest thing I've ever fucking seen. There are no words for the fact that we've gotten so low as to trademark appreciation. Not to mention the fact that these are two companies who, to the best of my knowledge, fuck their customers in the wallet in unconscionable ways with frequency.

    Things like this are why people are against overuse of IP laws.

    Best fucking CAPTCHA I've ever seen: truthful.

    1. Re:This is quite possibly... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Wham, bam, THANKYOU ma'am.

    2. Re:This is quite possibly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Even dumber... Paris Hilton trademarking "That's Hot". People who do this crap should go see a proctologist to get their head out of their ass.

    3. Re:This is quite possibly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait until they sue Kansas City, New York City and all the other infringers of the Citi trademark.

    4. Re:This is quite possibly... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, they shouldn't.

      We, the people, should be ashamed for allowing our court system and IP laws to reach this state.

    5. Re:This is quite possibly... by samwichse · · Score: 1

      What about when Intel tried to trademark the letter "i"?

      http://www.techeye.net/busines...

    6. Re:This is quite possibly... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Hey now, there's plenty of idiocy going around to blame both the perpetrators and the copyright office/court system!

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    7. Re:This is quite possibly... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      No, but the person who approved the grant of that trademark should be fired immediately and forbidden from ever again working in a job that required literacy. (Required the ability to think is too subjective.)

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    8. Re:This is quite possibly... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      It's a very narrow customer loyalty program that was copied by someone else. It's not the act of saying "thank you" that's at issue, but naming a customer loyalty program with a confusingly similar name to another customer loyalty program.

  3. Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by Hasaf · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I am going to give a shot at saying "Citigroup" instead of thank-you. Them , when people look at me with a dumfounded expression, I can explain that Citigoup has established ownership over the words "Thank You" and "thanks."

    Citigroup for reading my silly idea.

    1. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by ZipK · · Score: 5, Funny

      Citigroup for sharing.

    2. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Informative

      Citigroup's "Thank you" is a loyalty rewards service. AT&T's "Thank you" is also a loyalty rewards service. It'd be like Wendy's offering a Super Size menu. The article even says as much but since the dipshit that wrote it went off on a knee-jerk reaction you've been mislead to believe that it's about usage of the simple phrase.

      This is not the site to go to if you want informed news on patents, trademarks, or copyrights. Hell, half the commenters on this site think Apple owns anything with a rounded corner.

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    3. Re: Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well it still seems pretty strange to sue for damages within 30 days. Ask them to change the name, or put a "Not affiliated with Citi THANK YOU points" as free advertisement. Just a bunch of sue happy lawyers looking to do something.

    4. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's "Thanks." I mean fuck man, it's "Thanks." I get what you're saying but it's about one of the most common terms in the English language. This entire thing is beyond fucked up. It makes me want to hate them for their arrogance in claiming the word "Thanks." I already hate Citigroup anyway but I used to hate AT&T more. Now they've moved ahead on the shitty fucking corporation list.

    5. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      No, they didn't claim the word thanks, they claimed a loyalty reward program called "Thank you". If you're mad about this then you've been mad at Google over their trademark of "Android" for a long time now.

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    6. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, they didn't claim the word thanks, they claimed a loyalty reward program called "Thank you". If you're mad about this then you've been mad at Google over their trademark of "Android" for a long time now.

      No, they claimed a loyalty reward program called "THANKYOU". Not "Thank you", and certainly not "Thanks", and most certainly not "ATT Thanks". Those are all different. Whether they are too similar is apparently up to a judge/jury.

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    7. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

      No you should create a new "meme" were the term citigroup means "you are getting seriously screwed".

      Man I'm getting so citigrouped since I updated to windows 10.

    8. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1, Troll

      Just to be clear, you do understand that the whole point of trademarks is to avoid brand confusion, right? As a consumer, you'd like to know the difference between an Acer laptop and an Aoer laptop.

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    9. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      You're absolutely right. Apple should totally be able to call their next phone "Android".

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    10. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by Zeroko · · Score: 1

      Well, people (used to?) complain a lot about "Windows" & "App Store" being too generic. Somehow I never seemed to hear anyone complain about "Apple," though—probably because, despite being a dictionary word, it has nothing inherent to do with its subject matter.

    11. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Oracle, Palm, Gnome, Pebble, etc are all trademarked. Google alone owns quite a few. Activate, Android, Blink, Blogger, Chrome, Closure, Field Trip, Hangouts, Jump, Nest, Nexus, etc.

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    12. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's spot on. And that's why trivial words like 'thank you' or 'windows' should never be allowed to be used as trademark in the first place.

    13. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Somehow I never seemed to hear anyone complain about "Apple," though—probably because, despite being a dictionary word, it has nothing inherent to do with its subject matter.

      Ever heard of Apple records?

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    14. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by Zeroko · · Score: 1

      Sure, but that (2 companies having similar names) is different than people saying "Apple" is too generic a name for a computer (or record) company would be.

    15. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by Calydor · · Score: 1

      In that case, GG, game over, Citigroup for playing.

      They have trademarked THANKYOU in relation to loyalty programs. NO OTHER EXPRESSION OF GRATITUDE can now be used for a loyalty program!

      Is that the kind of trademark law you want?

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    16. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Google would have an uphill battle actually trying to defend Android.

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    17. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Citigroup's "Thank you" is a loyalty rewards service. AT&T's "Thank you" is also a loyalty rewards service.

      I say "Thank You" all the time, and I am loyal to those who I say "Thank You" to!! Am I going to be sued if I reward my friends for their loyalty?

        Damn, there should be laws against trademarking any every day English word or phrase!

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    18. Re: Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by EzInKy · · Score: 3

      Maybe, but they trademarked "Thank You"? WTF.

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    19. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I first encountered Citygroup in Japan, where it's pronounced "shitty group".

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    20. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      >Hell, half the commenters on this site think Apple owns anything with a rounded corner.

      Well, apple thinks so too.

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    21. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      That depends on the case. Trademarks only apply in the same field. An unaffiliated smartphone product (like an OS) which is not using android code using the name - they'd have an easy victory.
      Using it to refer to commander Data ? No problem - the trademark does not apply since it's not the same field (fiction versus smartphones). If you built an actual android and called it an android they almost certainly wouldn't try to enforce it since it's common knowledge the term actually means the thing you just called it (and was coined for that purpose decades ago by Asimov).

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    22. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      I got utterly citigrouped at the second hand car-dealer with no lube.

      I refuse to buy Apple because I find getting citigrouped by Tim Cook chafes my ass.

      I like this...

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    23. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by eeyore · · Score: 1

      Not ATT ALL

    24. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Sure, but that (2 companies having similar names) is different than people saying "Apple" is too generic a name for a computer (or record) company would be.

      You are aware that Apple Records *defeated* Apple Computer in court over this issue due to the Apple IIgs having a high end professional audio mixing chip (the Ensoniq DOC2, forerunner to the DOC3 used by Gravis for their UltraSound), right?

      ...or are you one of those ignorant twats that acts like an expert when they aren't?

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    25. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I don't say Android 50 times a day. You can't see the difference between Android and Thank You? Some people might go their entire life and never say the word Android. Hell, most old people call every smartphone an iPhone anyway. Words like Thanks, Hello, Goodbye? No.

    26. Re: Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      I didn't know any of this, I'm not even confused ATT is using it since I didn't know Citi used it.

    27. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      That's what I was thinking (though IAMAL); ATT and Citigroup are two totally different fields, one being telecommunications and the other being finance. How could anyone get them confused?

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    28. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I'd like to thank you and the dummy with the mod-point for proving my point.

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    29. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      wow. modded troll? Yep, its official, slashdot moderators are on crack today (damn it, I had mod points all week, and now when they are handing out the crank I don't get any!)

    30. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I can't even keep Acer straight from Asus. Not sure if that's a trademark issue though, or just me.

    31. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by Zeroko · · Score: 1

      I was not aware of that specifically, but that is irrelevant to the point I was making. I was only talking about how people think some brand names are too generic. If they complained that Apple Computer should not be called that because "Apple" is a dictionary word, then I do not see why they would not have said the same about Apple Corps, & vice versa. That the latter sued the former for having a similar name & working in the same area is not the same thing as whether (random people think) "Windows" is too generic a name for a windowing environment or "App Store" for an app store.

      It is more like "Android" for an OS or "Oracle" for a database company, unless people actually start using Android to run humanoid robots or asking Oracle to predict the future (which should still not affect their non-genericity with respect to cell phones & ordinary databases, respectively).

    32. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      They trademarked a loyalty rewards program. Pay attention.

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    33. Re: Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Gotta keep those corporate liars err lawyers loaded up with billable hours.. They don't work for free you know..

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    34. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by suso · · Score: 1

      brought to you by Carl's Jr.

    35. Re: Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by ZeroWaiteState · · Score: 1

      Grocery stores have had Thank You cards here for over a decade. They are indeed a loyalty program as you describe.

    36. Re: Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Hurry! Go tell AT&T's lawyers! I bet they don't even know that Citi owns thankyou.com!

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    37. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      It'd be like Wendy's offering a Super Size menu.

      ... And?

      No, seriously, why shouldn't Wendy's be allowed to call it a "super size menu" if they want? Even your example explaining why this isn't actually fucked up, is itself fucked up!

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    38. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Should a Google be able to provide a service for Nexus called AppleCare?

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    39. Re: Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by HiThere · · Score: 1

      That's not sufficient excuse. If they had trademarked "Citigroup thanks you", I'd have no qualm about the propriety. As it it...
      The person who approved the grant of that trademark should be fired immediately and forbidden from ever again working in a job that required literacy. (Required the ability to think is too subjective.)

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    40. Re: Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

      Woolworths South Africa has, for about the last 9 years, had a rewards program named "Thank U". I assume it is trademarked.

      I think they shoukd claim Citigrouop's use of THANKYOU for a rewards program is a trademark violation.

    41. Re: Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I don't know if Citi's service operates outside of the US.

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    42. Re:Say "Citigroup" instead of "Thank You" by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      That's what I was thinking (though IAMAL); ATT and Citigroup are two totally different fields, one being telecommunications and the other being finance. How could anyone get them confused?

      They'll both screw over their customers for a penny?

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  4. Clickbait title by fearofdecaf · · Score: 5, Informative

    Citigroup are suing AT&T for marketing a rewards program based on the word "Thanks" because they have a registered trademark for a rewards program using "Thankyou" marks. This has nothing today with anyone 'saying thanks'.

    No story here. Go about your business.

    1. Re:Clickbait title by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      The story here is that a lot of "shareholder value" is being flushed down the shitter, but nobody is sure how to stop it without "giving up their rights [to something of little value]"

    2. Re:Clickbait title by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Informative

      Citigroup are suing AT&T for marketing a rewards program based on the word "Thanks" because they have a registered trademark for a rewards program using "Thankyou" marks. This has nothing today with anyone 'saying thanks'.

      No story here. Go about your business.

      This is not off-topic. This is exactly what the article says! Here's a quote from the article:

      Despite actual knowledge of Citigroupâ(TM)s substantial use of and exclusive rights in the THANKYOU Marks, Citigroupâ(TM)s use of the marks in connection with AT&T co-branded credit cards, and Citigroupâ(TM)s concerns regarding AT&Tâ(TM)s proposed trademarks, AT&T launched a customer loyalty program under the trademarks âoethanksâ and âoeAT&T thanksâ on or about June 2, 2016.

      That's a pretty important detail to leave out of the summary! Somebody please fix the parent's moderation.

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    3. Re:Clickbait title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm going to trademark â & âoe and charge $10 each time a miss-configured news site uses it.

    4. Re:Clickbait title by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      What if the business entity is in fact a group of business entities?

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    5. Re:Clickbait title by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      You mean somewhat like Pink Floyd are?

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    6. Re:Clickbait title by war4peace · · Score: 1

      ATT should change their campaign motto to "THANKYOUCOMEAGAIN".

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    7. Re:Clickbait title by Panoptes · · Score: 1

      'Citigroup *is*, not *are*.'

      Both are correct. It's a collective noun that can refer to a single entity or a group of individuals - cf. 'government' and 'team'.

    8. Re:Clickbait title by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No story here. Go about your business.

      Yes Indeed there's no story here. Especially when you consider that this week someone is suing Facebook and Twitter for enabling terrorism, someone is suing Google 4 years after it came up with the idea to throw a router in a balloon, and someone is suing Gawker for writing a story about a lunatic's hairpiece.

      At this point we can just stop reporting anytime someone sues someone in America because quite frankly it's like the national greeting, and certainly not the least friendly greeting you're likely to get approaching someone in certain parts of America.

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  5. In Related News... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Comcast is just waiting for someone to infringe on their "Fuck You" to customers trademark.

    1. Re:In Related News... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1
    2. Re:In Related News... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      If ever a post needed to be modded up, its the parent. Please, please. (frustrated Comcast customer here)

    3. Re:In Related News... by wbr1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Followed closely by Microsoft's "Bend over, it will only hurt a little." rewards plan.

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    4. Re:In Related News... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Yes, them along with Carl's Jr.

  6. Just Sue Them For Being AT&T by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    Much better idea than using a general word that is used by everyone who isn't an asshole and even some who are only passive aggressive. You know the type. They work for AT&T. And apparently Citigroup.

    1. Re:Just Sue Them For Being AT&T by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      You forgot the gratuitous type that work for Comcast. :)

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  7. Citibank or AT&T? by theskipper · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even the devil is having trouble picking sides on this one. Mainly because it would mean favoring one child over the other.

    1. Re:Citibank or AT&T? by jmcvetta · · Score: 2

      Even the devil is having trouble picking sides on this one. Mainly because it would mean favoring one child over the other.

      Sorry, I've already trademarked "the". Cease and desist use of my trademark immediately! If you do not comply at once, a kangaroo court will force you to pay millions and millions and millions of dollars for the irreparable damage your wanton disregard for Duh Law has wrought on my business.

    2. Re:Citibank or AT&T? by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      I've trademarked spaces, please stop.

    3. Re:Citibank or AT&T? by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

      Rats,foiledagain!

    4. Re:Citibank or AT&T? by ZipK · · Score: 1

      Your punctuation violates my trademarks.

    5. Re:Citibank or AT&T? by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

      Sorry I have the letters A to Z and a to z so don't go getting ideas about lowercase

    6. Re:Citibank or AT&T? by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

      We're very sorry, but we trademarked the word sorry decades ago.

      Signed,
      Canada.

    7. Re:Citibank or AT&T? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      And I own the trademark for nothing being typed - so get ready to be sued if you don't reply!

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    8. Re:Citibank or AT&T? by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      But I have patented the business method of forcing people into frivolous law suits.

    9. Re:Citibank or AT&T? by edittard · · Score: 1

      We claim priory art.

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  8. Citibanks says thank you by MrKaos · · Score: 2

    FUCKYOU

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    1. Re:Citibanks says thank you by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      As long as you're not using my FUCKYOU(R)(TM)(Pat. Pend)(C)

  9. Re:Thank you for being a friend by cfalcon · · Score: 1

    > happy friday from the cows guy
    > YOU ARE ALL COWS AND ALWAYS

    The only time I have seen any cow noises on slashdot is when YOU say them.

    Conclusion: You are secretly a cow!

    Do I win a prize?

    Is it milk?

  10. *thumps watch* by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

    It isn't April 1, right?

    Besides, hasn't AT&T been using "Thank you for using AT&T" in adverts / product placement as far back as Back to the Future II and Blade Runner?

    Still.. this is just another sign that the end is nigh. They're running out of scams. Once they're out, what then? Do an honest day's work?

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    1. Re:*thumps watch* by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      But Back to the Future II and Blade Runner are set into the future! It hasn't happened yet!

      What it does tell us is that in the future it's AT&T who are going to own the trademark on "thank you".

    2. Re:*thumps watch* by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      Umm, i dont know how to tell you this but BttF future is actually set in the PAST now, and we are 3 years away from Blade Runner being the past too.

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    3. Re:*thumps watch* by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Damn you, now I feel even older.

      Get off my virtual lawn!

    4. Re:*thumps watch* by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      And I still don't have a hoverboard. Not fair!

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  11. This CAN'T be serious by raymorris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can only think this has to be a joke. Trademarks don't work that way.

    Someone tell me I've been on a huge practical joke TV show and this isn't real, we're not really choosing between a reality TV personality vs a felon for president, and Disney World doesn't really have alligators eating their guests.

    1. Re:This CAN'T be serious by Solandri · · Score: 2

      This is the way trademark law works. You must defend the trademark or risk losing it.

      Citibank's trademark is for a reward points program. Their beef is with an AT&T Thanks program which, like the Citibank program, rewards loyal customers. So that aspect of trademark infringement (that the two names are for a similar product or service which could be confused) is satisfied. This isn't because AT&T is just saying "Thanks" as TFS claims.

      At that point, even if Citibank thinks the lawsuit is silly, they still have to file it. Once the court decides there is no infringement, both sides are safe. AT&T is free to call their program AT&T Thanks. And Citibank's ThankYou trademark is safe because they defended it

      If they didn't file a lawsuit, someone else could start another rewards program named "Thanks" or maybe "[company_name] Thanks You." When Citibank sued them, they could point to Citibank's failure to defend their trademark against AT&T. The court could decide that that constituted Citibank abandoning the trademark.. Even though the possibility of that is extremely small, the fact that it's not zero means the trademark holder is going to play it safe and file a lawsuit against anything which could be considered a trademark violation.

    2. Re:This CAN'T be serious by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      This is the way trademark law works. You must defend the trademark or risk losing it.

      This is not the way trademark law works.

      The way trademark law works is that you must defend against legitimate, plausible violations of the trademark that are likely to cause confusion in the marketplace, which this isn't. "Thanks" is clearly not the same as "ThankYou", and more importantly, "AT&T Thanks" is clearly not the same as "Citibank ThankYou Rewards". The fact that AT&T uses their own name as part of their mark means that there's not a snowball's chance in you-know-where of a consumer being confused and thinking that these are Citibank ThankYou Rewards. For one thing, AT&T has heard of a space bar.

      And even if AT&T didn't use "AT&T" in its mark, and even if Citi had a trademark on "Thank You" instead of a much narrower trademark on the nonstandard spelling "ThankYou", IMO, the AT&T usage still wouldn't cause confusion, because "Thanks" and "Thank You" would still be decidedly different in their formality. It would be as though Apple trademarked Bonjour (a long-ago contracted "Bon jour"), and then Google came up with a clone and called it "Yo", and Apple sued for trademark infringement.... :-D

      But let's pretend for a moment that there really is legitimate concern that AT&T's "Thanks" could cause confusion. Citigroup is still not required to defend the trademark with a lawsuit. They could start with a C&D, and suggest ways to tweak the usage that would prevent the consumer confusion that they believe exists (and then sue if the other party doesn't fix things). Or they could license the use of the trademark for anything from zero cents (with a "used by permission" notice) up to a trillion bucks per year. Any of these things constitutes defense of the mark.

      Now it is certainly possible that Citigroup did all of those things and AT&T said no. If that's the case, then yes, their only options are to either sue or accept the possible dilution. But even if they choose the latter, it does not invalidate the mark. It takes a lot more than just one single vaguely similar name to dilute a mark to the point that it is no longer protectable.

      Either way, if I were AT&T's lawyers, I'd register a trademark for "Eff You" (though the USPTO would probably reject it), and then tell Citigroup that they can tell their customers what they really think of them in exchange for an agreement to drop their frivolous lawsuit over "thanks". Meanwhile, AT&T should also petition the courts to invalidate the trademark on account of "Thank you" being hopelessly generic already, and thus squarely outside the realm of trademark protection, while simultaneously dropping their equally ridiculous trademark on "thanks". Of course, they would likely lose, because "ThankYou" is not the same as "Thank You", but they might at least get the courts to narrow the trademark protection to the closed-up form (exactly that and no more) on grounds that "Thank You" is descriptive. And if they did manage to get it completely thrown out on a countersuit, it might make Citi think twice about whether it is really worth filing such suits in the future....

      (I'm assuming, of course, that AT&T's mark on "thanks" and Citi's mark on "ThankYou" aren't trademarks on stylized marks, which would render the trademarks much less ridiculous, but would also almost guarantee that they don't conflict with one another.)

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    3. Re:This CAN'T be serious by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Not a joke, just a flamebait distorted title.

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    4. Re:This CAN'T be serious by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      "This is the way trademark law works. You must defend the trademark or risk losing it."

      Please stop repeating this nonsense. Kleenex, Xerox, Photoshop, Jet-Ski, Jacuzzi and Google are culturally ubiquitous and SHOULD be removed from trademarks, but they arent. Adobe and Google would never be able to do anything else but litigate if your position were true.

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    5. Re:This CAN'T be serious by EzInKy · · Score: 2

      Citigroup has a trademark on 'Citigroup ThankYou Loyalty Cards'
      AT&T released a loyalty card called 'AT&T Thanks'

      What's the problem then? "AT&T Thanks" is no where near "Citigroup ThankYou". I hate both companies, but "thank" has been a part of the English language like forever! And trademarking everyday English would be quite a stupid proposition.

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    6. Re:This CAN'T be serious by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      "Thank" is a normal everyday English word that people say quite regularly. Are you saying that any company can own the language simply by trademarking speech?

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    7. Re:This CAN'T be serious by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      "Thank" is a term used by millions of English speakers every day. Neither Citi nor AT&T have a right to own it.

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    8. Re:This CAN'T be serious by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 1

      Having the mark become ubiquitous in language like those examples is different from having other companies using the mark in their product names even if ubiquitous.

      You don't see Minolta or Panasonic selling xerox machines, they sell copiers, other search engines aren't called Google even though the people use googling instead of searching.

      Jacuzzi manufactures whirlpool baths and hot-tubs, as do other companies. But they don't sell them as Jacuzzi's.

      Installers, rental or repair shops might use the mark in general meaning because it is a common word in the populace, e.g. you go and rent a jet-ski. It might not be a Kawasaki and what you might get is a Yamaha watercraft, but it won't have Jet-Ski on it, it will have WaveRunner.

      Having the mark become ubiquitous in conversation isn't an abandonment of the mark and the company will still be able to defend against commercial misuse of the mark by other companies.

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    9. Re:This CAN'T be serious by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      The last one is false.

      The alligator only killed the child, probably got scared and left when the adults went in the water. He did not eat it. Probably never intended to eat the child, just an aggressive young male who will kill just because you got too close, not because its actually hungry.

      It is surprising that it happened, but not entirely unheard of.

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    10. Re:This CAN'T be serious by omnichad · · Score: 1

      It's not just that. AT&T & Citigroup already have a co-branded THANKYOU card. There's a real chance for confusion.

    11. Re:This CAN'T be serious by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Both corporations are using these as loyalty rewards program titles.

      A rewards program's purpose is to thank their customers for their loyalty. To me, this is not substantially different than a fruit company trying to trademark the word "Banana". The USPTO should have rejected the initial registration as too descriptive.

      That is precisely what trademark law is here to stop.

      Bzzt. Thanks for playing. Trademark law is to prevent confusion in the marketplace by allowing one company to sell products or provide services that are substantially similar with substantially similar names in a way that would confuse consumers into thinking that they were getting one product from one company and instead getting the other product from the other company.

      This doesn't qualify for two reasons. First, as I stated before, the marks are very different. Second, the programs aren't at all similar. Let's look at them a little more closely:

      • The Citi ThankYou Rewards program is a traditional loyalty rewards program in which you can earn rewards for spending money on their credit card, and redeem them for various things at various merchants (usually at a higher cost than if you had taken a 1% cash reward).
      • AT&T Thanks, as far as I can tell, isn't a rewards program. It's literally just AT&T offering a bunch of special deals to say thanks. The same offers are available to all of their customers; there's no earning points, there's no spending points.

      So basically, no consumer could plausibly confuse Citi ThankYou Rewards points with AT&T Thanks even if you think that those two names are somehow confusingly similar.

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  12. BiteMe © by fred911 · · Score: 1

    BiteMe ©

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  13. Fire the Trademark Bureau by kenwd0elq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any government bureaucrat who had ANY involvement, however slight, in approving a trademark for "THANKYOU" should be fired.

    1. Re:Fire the Trademark Bureau by ttucker · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the only trademark left is bonerpills

    2. Re:Fire the Trademark Bureau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Strange it may seem but 41 results come up when you search USPTO database for "THANKYOU"

      http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=toc&state=4804%3A8zgaeh.1.1&p_search=searchss&p_L=50&BackReference=&p_plural=yes&p_s_PARA1=&p_tagrepl~%3A=PARA1%24LD&expr=PARA1+AND+PARA2&p_s_PARA2=THANKYOU+&p_tagrepl~%3A=PARA2%24COMB&p_op_ALL=AND&a_default=search&a_search=Submit+Query&a_search=Submit+Query

    3. Re:Fire the Trademark Bureau by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Yes, the entire department has been sacked, and the committee that created the department has also been sacked. And those who approved the formation of the committee have also been sacked, sir

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    4. Re:Fire the Trademark Bureau by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Trademarking the English language must be prohibited.

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    5. Re:Fire the Trademark Bureau by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Who knew that SNL would predict the future?

    6. Re:Fire the Trademark Bureau by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      Do you have any idea how much firing them will push up the cost of the bribes? If you do this sort of thing too much, the bureaucrats will cost as much as the attorneys.

  14. I'm a T-Mobile Customer by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Yesterday I got a text from T-Mobile.

    "T-Mobile is thanking you with a share of Un-Carrier stock."

    Is Citigroup going to try and take my stock away?

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  15. Failure to Police by cliffjumper222 · · Score: 2

    This is par for the course in trademark land. Trademark rights might be lost when a trademark owner fails to police its mark against eroded distinctiveness. In this case, Citigroup think that AT&T's use could lessen the distinctiveness of their THANKYOU. On the face of it, it probably does. As a result, their trademark will become weaker, and may lose its distinctiveness entirely. If it does, they could actually lose the mark. To help avoid this, the trademark owner it pretty much obliged to police its mark through legal means, up to and including going to court. This is pretty much mandatory - you need to do this, it's not really an option. Some courts have determined you don't have to prosecute every infringing third-party use, but if you have the money and the mark is worth it to you, then it's a no brainer.

    1. Re:Failure to Police by Leuf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In order for a trademark on thank you to lose distinctiveness it would have to actually have some to begin with.

  16. Clarification by Shoten · · Score: 1

    The trademark only applies when the business is saying "THANKYOU" when they mean "FUCKYOUVERYMUCH."

    Even with that stipulation, however, Citibank's complaint against AT&T is still quite valid.

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  17. Hey Citi... by pinzvidz · · Score: 1

    ...what about Telstra?

  18. Sorry, Citigroup by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1
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  19. Customer confusion by Livius · · Score: 4, Funny

    ATT's use of the "thanks" and "ATT thanks" trademarks is likely to cause consumer confusion

    It's true, people are surprised and confused to hear the word "thanks" coming from either of those corporations.

  20. This is starting..... by Spookticus · · Score: 1

    ....to get ridiculous.

    1. Re:This is starting..... by olof_the_viking · · Score: 1

      Loyalty points are ridiculous.

  21. Things like this by meglon · · Score: 1

    are a good reason to have it so trademark trolls lose every single trademark they ever have had, and are barred from ever getting anymore.

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  22. Those lawyer jerks by no-body · · Score: 1

    dreaming this up in their hangover need to get a life!

  23. And yet... by Bovius · · Score: 1

    Still less infuriating than patents.

  24. The trademark just sailed through examination. by Steve1952 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I looked this up at the USPTO trademark site. It is registered trademark 3249982. Usually, a trademark examiner who is say...awake, would immediately reject the application on the basis that "THANKYOU" is "generic". Not here. The examiner just gave an initial "thumbs up" with no objection, and the rest is history. Amazing.

    1. Re:The trademark just sailed through examination. by LMariachi · · Score: 2

      And it's for "Promoting the goods and services of others through credit card customer loyalty, reward and redemption programs."

      Does AT&T issue credit cards now?

    2. Re:The trademark just sailed through examination. by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      The claim is fucking trademark on fucking "thankyou". No English word should be allowed to be trademarked in an country that speaks English. This is fucking stupid.

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    3. Re:The trademark just sailed through examination. by jeaton · · Score: 1

      https://accountonline.citi.com...

      There's actually an AT&T branded credit card, issued by.... Citibank. When they first came out, it was a combination long distance calling card and credit card. Now, as far as I can tell, it's just another credit card with no particular other benefit.

      I suspect that this is at the root of the lawsuit. Because AT&T is already in business with Citibank (and their combined credit card is one that offers the "thankyou" (tm) benefits), Citibank is annoyed that AT&T would brand their other loyalty program similarly.

    4. Re:The trademark just sailed through examination. by LMariachi · · Score: 1

      Well, if you put out a soft drink called Thankyou then you should legitimately have a trademark claim on anyone else making a soft drink with the same name, regardless of how generic the term is. "Sprite" and "Mountain Dew" are generic terms but in the context of fizzy sugar waters they are rightly protected. The point here is that Citigroup's trademark is explicitly for a credit card related thing. AT&T does not issue credit cards.

      When Kitty Pryde's codename was Sprite, Marvel was not infringing on Coca-Cola's mark because Marvel was not selling Sprite-branded beverages and Coca-Cola was not printing comic books. No reasonable person (which is the standard for consumer confusion) would think that drinking Sprite would give them the ability to phase through walls, any more than an X-Men reader would think that Kitty Pryde was taking endorsements from Coca-Cola.

      Citigroup's mark is in the realm of credit card stuff. AT&T does not issue credit cards AFAIK. That's how trademarks work. Cf. Apple Records v. Apple Computers. It wasn't a problem until the latter got into the music business. To this day you could legitimately market Apple bandsaws or Apple baby pacifiers or apple sauce, because Apple-the-corporation's mark doesn't cover any of those. Similarly, Microsoft can't stop Andersen from selling actual windows for houses.

    5. Re:The trademark just sailed through examination. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Not exactly, but there are Citi and AT&T co-branded cards with the THANKYOU rewards program. There's still a pretty good chance for confusion if you ask me.

  25. AT&T only "thanks" you when you buy something by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    Typical of all ISPs, you will never get a "thank you" from them as a stable long standing customer. They strictly want "new customers" or "new service".

    They sort of expect you to leave.. after a short period of time.

  26. ...AT & T Countersues by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Just wait for AT&T to countersue Citigroup for their use of AT&T trademarked letter 'T'. In fact they should get double the damages since they trademarked it twice.

  27. Tax deductible by techdolphin · · Score: 1

    To add insult to injury, the legal expenses for this ridiculous lawsuit are tax deductible.

  28. Tack by Skapare · · Score: 1

    Can we use Swedish, instead?

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  29. Varsågod by olof_the_viking · · Score: 1

    Of course.

  30. Re:Thank you for being a friend by slashrio · · Score: 5, Funny

    And that from an anonymous cow-ard...

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  31. Thanks, Slashdot by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Now "thanks" doesn't even sound like a word to me.

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  32. Re:Thank you for being a friend by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    ohhh yes, a nice big cow with lovely, lovely udders!

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  33. Is Citigroup "F*ck you" also trademarked? by misnohmer · · Score: 1

    I figure "F*ck you" is closer to "Thank you" than "Thanks", no?

  34. Seriously? by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

    Was this lawsuit pulled from the Onion?

    This doesn't even make sense anymore.

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  35. I hope Citygroup gets laught out of court by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    nobody should be allowed to patent something as common as saying, printing or texting "thankyou" same with any other verbiage that is common to conversation

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    1. Re:I hope Citygroup gets laught out of court by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Not patents.

      But do you mean trademarks on common words like Subway or the television show House or computer maker Apple? Lots of things get named after common words. There's really nothing wrong with it.

      In this case, it's not the mere use of the phrase that's being claimed as a violation. It's AT&T having a loyalty program named similarly to Citi's own loyalty program. If you wanted to open up "Thank You Donuts" as a donut shop, you'll be just fine and won't get sued by Citi.

  36. Re:Thank you for being a friend by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Sounds more like Beanonymous Cowarthur.

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  37. Futurama foretold this by brambus · · Score: 1

    "Mom", "Love" and "Screen door" are registered trademarks of Mom Corp.

  38. Re:Thank you for being a friend by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 1

    Hello Bernard!

  39. Maybe ATT should use: by fox171171 · · Score: 1

    "No Thank You!"

  40. Re:Wouldn't it be great if ... by Strong+Arm+Coat · · Score: 1

    No way. The poor house is for average schmucks like you and me.

  41. Just get a license by MrLint · · Score: 1

    From the new division of Citigroup ThankWorld (tm)!

  42. How Ironic by Jack_of_Shadow · · Score: 1

    back some time ago there was a small public relations firm called Citigroup. Then along came this big corporate bank that decided they liked the name. The small firm took them to court and over the years of litigation, eventually the Court ruled in favor of Citigroup stealing the name of the small public relations firm. Who had been bankrupted by trying to defend their right to their name. Now someone says "Thanks" and they think they own the right to thank your customers? Awesome. Welcome to the 21st century in the USA.

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  43. They both by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

    Citi and AT&T should both be fined 100mil for abusing the trademark system. What moron at the PTO approved the citi trademark?

  44. Thank you ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... for being a friend.

    Citigroup: OK. We'll see you bitches in court.

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  45. Or in the words of... by watermark · · Score: 1

    Or in the words of Donald Trump, "congratulations".

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/mon...

  46. And now from the Olden Girls . . . by mmell · · Score: 1

    Thank you (C) for being a friend . . .

  47. "shitty group" by davesays · · Score: 1

    I think Sean Connery actually owns that particular pronunciation...

  48. Save the US by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Close down all the law schools. Obviously we already have way too many lawyers.

  49. Something you can do. by Keith+Henson · · Score: 1

    Most of the time you can't do anything to counter such behavior in governments. But when it is companies . . . .

    I had been an AT&T customer for decades, but when this happened https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... I dropped them forever and told them why.

    Looks like Citi will go into the same bin, though it's just stupid and not the kind of pain they caused Len Rose, his wife and kids.

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  50. What they may really be saying... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    What they may really be saying is FUCKED-YOU - again!

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