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Clinton Tech Plan Reads Like Silicon Valley Wish List (usatoday.com)

theodp writes from a report via USA Today: "If there was any lingering doubt as to tech's favored presidential candidate," writes USA Today's Jon Swartz, "Hillary Clinton put an end to that Tuesday with a tech plan that reads like a Silicon Valley wish list. It calls for connecting every U.S. household to high-speed internet by 2020, reducing regulatory barriers and supporting Net neutrality rules, [which ban internet providers from blocking or slowing content.] It proposes investments in computer science and engineering education ("engage the private sector and nonprofits to train up to 50,000 computer science teachers in the next decade"), expansion of 5G mobile data, making inexpensive Wi-Fi available at more airports and train stations, and attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees." dcblogs shares with us a report from Computerworld that specifically discusses Clinton's support of green cards for foreign students who earn STEM degrees: As president, Hillary Clinton will support automatic green cards, or permanent residency, for foreign students who earn advanced STEM degrees. Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate, wants the U.S. to "staple" green cards on the diplomas of STEM (science, technology, engineering, math) masters and PhD graduates "from accredited institutions." Clinton outlined her plan in a broader tech policy agenda released today. Clinton's "staple" idea isn't new. It's what Mitt Romney, the GOP presidential candidate in 2012, supported. It has had bipartisan support in Congress. But the staple idea is controversial. Critics will say this provision will be hard to control, will foster age discrimination, and put pressure on IT wages.

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  1. AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To get Frist Psots as much as possible.

    1. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Kierthos · · Score: 0

      Technically, it's off topic, but still a point of concern. You noticed that when the Orlando shooting happened, the talking heads were on it immediately.

      But radical Muslims blowing up other Muslims? Not a peep.

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    2. Re: AC's Tech Plan by stealth_finger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Slashdot doesn't post stories, users submit them.

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    3. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Muslims are race? Really, you are that stupid. Also quite a few people in Turkey are white.

    4. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The Orlando shooting was exploited to try and push anti-gun agendas that were already written. Every mass shooting in the US is exploited in that way. You can't use overseas violence to push an anti-gun agenda.

    5. Re: AC's Tech Plan by mi · · Score: 2

      But radical Muslims blowing up other Muslims? Not a peep.

      Drudge Report was all over the Istanbul bombing almost as soon as it happened. CNN reported too. As did Fox News...

      Today — the next day — New York Times had their article. And Washington Post.

      Are you taking your talking points from these dimwits, perhaps?

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    6. Re: AC's Tech Plan by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      But radical Whites shooting up other Whites? Not a peep.

      FTFY

    7. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to say your right, but just yesterday Denver had an active shooter right in the middle of downtown, local news had it mildly covered, but not a peep from national news

    8. Re: AC's Tech Plan by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      Hate to say your right, but just yesterday Denver had an active shooter right in the middle of downtown, local news had it mildly covered, but not a peep from national news

      One person got shot, shooter commits suicide. Probably filed under domestic violence. No mention of race, so it must be white-on-white violence.

      http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/1-hospitalized-after-report-of-shooting-in-downtown-denver/ar-AAhKI2Z

    9. Re: AC's Tech Plan by axewolf · · Score: 1

      Submission process: see on reddit, copy, paste, submit

    10. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Denver and this is literally the first I'm hearing about it.

    11. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But radical Muslims blowing up other Muslims? Not a peep.

      That's because it's not news.

    12. Re: AC's Tech Plan by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Being on the other side of the world makes it harder to sell papers here, but I think you do have a point here.

      Similarly there's a lot of violence in Chicago that doesn't make the news until it is one ethnicity attacks another ethnicity.

      There are a lot of terrible, scandalous things that happen commonly :(

    13. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot doesn't post stories, it posts dupes.

    14. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because guns had nothing to do with it.

    15. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      https://slashdot.org/submissio...

      There is the link you need, now go post it if it is so important to you.

      Slashdot is fed by user submissions, not your bitching.

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    16. Re: AC's Tech Plan by kyubre · · Score: 1

      Wife files for divorce, gets a restraining order instead of a handgun. Wife and perp enter into a permanent divorce settlement. Tragic, but nothing more than a bad case of the domestics.

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    17. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Technically, it's off topic, but still a point of concern. You noticed that when the Orlando shooting happened, the talking heads were on it immediately.

      Probably because it was the worst mass shooting in United States history. That attracts a lot of US-based talking head attention.

    18. Re: AC's Tech Plan by skids · · Score: 1

      Huh? The news programs I watch all preempted their planned stories and covered Turkey non-stop for the whole show. Don't automatically assume the world actually behaves to match your cynicism, check first.

    19. Re: AC's Tech Plan by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Not high enough of a body count. Social media jumped on a situation in progress in Texas and then promptly dropped it as soon as it was resolved with no carnage.

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    20. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey smart ass, read what he wrote! He said SLASHDOT didn't have an article up and in your myriad of links, not a one was to a Slashdot post. Try again, republitard.

    21. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, for all intents and purposes they are a race just like Jews claim they are a race. They model their lives, laws, cultures, and every other aspect of their lives off of their holy texts. You already know this. The fact that's the best "argument" you can respond with says more about your ideas than theirs. Just keep calling people that you don't like dumb shits though, please. It lets us know whose opinion needs disregarding.

    22. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or black on black. Black on black violence is very prevalent, but you never hear stories like "Black police officer beats other black dude." As they say, dog bites dog is not news, which tells you how the media thinks of races. White shoots black is news, white shoots white is news, black shoots either isn't news. Think about it.

    23. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah the name calling. Yay!

    24. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No for all intents and purposes they are not a race, they are a religion. Jew us not a race either, no matter what is claimed.

    25. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White shoots black is only news when the white person is armed and employed by the government.

    26. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is American shooting American news?

    27. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believed that system worked, until Gamergate.

    28. Re: AC's Tech Plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A man who was professionally cleared to have a firearm and potentially commit violence in pursuant of that career, snapped (or something) and committed violence in his private life. There is no gun law that prevents that that doesn't get rid of every single gun period. That only limits his ability to commit mass violence with a firearm. There is a good liberal answer and a terrible liberal answer. Limitations on firearms are the terrible liberal answer. Doubly so because most liberals won't see past the terrible answer to use those events as a rallying cry for the good answer proper social change.

    29. Re: AC's Tech Plan by mi · · Score: 1

      read what he wrote! He said SLASHDOT didn't have an article

      Actually, no. The post I replied to lamented the talking heads not talking about it — and made no mention of Slashdot whatsoever. What color is the sky in your reality?

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  2. Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by vivaoporto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa. Diploma mills are already a reality in many parts of the world, adding a green card as an incentive and the potential for abuse is immense.

    1. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa. Diploma mills are already a reality in many parts of the world, adding a green card as an incentive and the potential for abuse is immense.

      Besides it comes from this disgusting old screeching harpy. Don't know about you but I saw enough of the Clintons in the 90s.

    2. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by gmack · · Score: 2

      The key word here is "accredited institutions." If that's done right, it is less abusive and potentially less of a problem for workers than an H1B since they can shop around for better jobs.

    3. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, exactly. One of the biggest problems with the H-1B program isn't the fact that "there's more people here", it's that they're largely stuck on that particular job, with the threat of being sent home for good if they get fired, which means they'll put up with a lot of crap that normal workers wouldn't, even stuff that's supposed to be against the laws about working hours/conditions/etc. Even though they technically can move to another position with another company, it's far more difficult to do that on an H-1B than as a citizen or permanent resident, and if you get fired, you only have a very narrow window to find a new job before you get kicked out (something like 30 days).

    4. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why? Is it the wig or the hat?

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    5. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      Green card holders are not tied to the job like H1B's are.

    6. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by WindBourne · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that late 90s economy was horrible and balancing the budget was even worse. Yeah, those Clintons really are disastrous compared to the GOP budgets of 00, and the GOP economy of 2007, combined with all of the quick military excursions and getting OBL that W/GOP did. I can see why you GOP types are always AC anymore. Spineless like your leaders.

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    7. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Exactly right about the h1b. Get rid of them and increase green cars is right way.

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    8. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google the Glass-Steagall Act, fucknut.

    9. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by jopsen · · Score: 1

      Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa. Diploma mills are already a reality in many parts of the world, adding a green card as an incentive and the potential for abuse is immense.

      Diploma mills aren't accredited... If they are they are typically more than mere mills :)

    10. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but as a Silicon Valley CEO, how else are you going to put [downward] pressure on STEM wages? Supply and demand- increase supply, keep demand the same, prices go down.

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    11. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Critics will say this provision will be hard to control, will foster age discrimination, and put pressure on IT wages.

      That's part of Silicon Valley's wish list though, is it not?

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    12. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by vivaoporto · · Score: 1
      I agree that the key word here is "accredited institutions.", but for another reason. Consider for instance the current debacle of accreditation bodies as reported by the LA Times.

      The federal government is preparing to bring down the hammer on one of these toothless watchdogs. Its target is the Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools, which is renowned for maintaining its accreditation of Corinthian Colleges right up to the day that chain of for-profit schools ceased operating in April 2015. Corinthian filed for bankruptcy days later. ACICS accredits some 900 campuses across the nation, giving those schools the formal imprimatur that allows them to collect an estimated $5 billion a year in federal financial aid on behalf of their students.

      But its role may be ending. The Department of Education staff on Wednesday recommended the revocation of ACICS's recognition as an accreditation body. That means that schools bearing its seal of approval will have to find a new accreditation body within 18 months or lose their right to collect federal financial aid payments.

      The stakes right now are "only" financial, concerning to student loans. When the scope becomes international and the stakes include a green card it will be much hard to prevent this kind of scheme.

      Done right anything is possible but human nature in this particular case will be drawn by greed and greed will rapidly pervert the whole process.

    13. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You do know that the balanced budget was because of the first Republican controlled Congress in 40 years, right? Clinton was along for the ride after the 1994 midterm when it came to budgeting - he could Veto and look like a complete ass, or negotiate and sign the appropriations bills Congress sent him, which is what he did. Wisely.

      That's the difference between the Clinton years and the last 6 years - the parties worked together and this country boomed. During the Obama presidency, both parties have had the "our way or GTFO" attitude and we've gone nowhere.

      Divided government can work, and in fact has worked to create the two most robust economies we've seen in the modern period - the Reagan 80s and the Clinton 90s. But the parties have to work together.

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    14. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      We have a "Technical College" that pumps out A+, MCSAs, and AAS on an assembly line, most of them learn nothing and don't make it in the real world.

    15. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by HideyoshiJP · · Score: 1

      I'd rather they get a green card and have the ability to leave an abusive employer. They still might undercut American workers, but it would push the bottom of the barrel H1B wages up toward native wages, meaning foreign workers would have to compete on merit (which I have no issue with).

    16. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that late 90s economy was horrible and balancing the budget was even worse.
      Yeah, those Clintons really are disastrous compared to the GOP budgets of 00, and the GOP economy of 2007, combined with all of the quick military excursions and getting OBL that W/GOP did.

      I can see why you GOP types are always AC anymore. Spineless like your leaders.

      For the 90's, that's because of the Republican Congress. Clinton was against it and even shut the government instead of signing the budget bill the first time around.

      Also, while they are less publicized, Obama has been getting us into a lot of "quick military excursions." I have a lot f friends dropping out of the Guard just for that that reason alone.

    17. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by netsavior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People with green cards compete with American engineers on their level. People with H1Bs tend to undercut salary and/or bullshit tolerance level requirements of American citizens, by A LOT. H1Bs are A LOT worse for good engineers than green cards are. As far as citizens go: Good and bad engineers should be scared of H1Bs, but only bad engineers should be scared of green cards.

    18. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by mrego · · Score: 1

      Yeah, slashing military spending and the largest tax increase (then... until Obama) in history... what a way to "balance the budget" short term, knowing full well that your successor will have to clean up the fucking mess. Of course, the GOP congress reforming welfare had nothing to do with anything either. It was all the great (disbarred lawyer, disgraced liar, IMPEACHED) WJC. You idiot.

    19. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once had a guy from one of these places argue with me that AD wasn't just LDAP plus Kerberos with a bit of MS special sauce sprinkled on top. When pressured why he thought that it wasnt5, his reply was "I dont know, but I know it's not that"

    20. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      So what you are saying is the Obama should have gone along with the proposed budgets and debt ceiling legislation put forward by the House because appropriations is their role not his.

      I completely agree, he has governed in bad faith.

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    21. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Even with accredited institutions, this royally fscks Americans still. Why?

      When I was going through school, and getting into debt for it:

      My classmate from Germany had his paid for by the Fatherland.
      My Chinese classmate had his paid for by the PLA.
      My Chilean classmate had his paid for.
      The French guy -- paid for by his country.

      Basically giving residency for free to foreign citizens (whose college is free), which will make employers demand advanced degrees for the same work, while forcing Americans to go into severe, deep debt just to keep pace.

    22. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The key word here is "accredited institutions." If that's done right, it is less abusive and potentially less of a problem for workers than an H1B since they can shop around for better jobs.

      There are currently 40k rows in the "Accredited University" database the government maintains. Many of those are different colleges at the same university, but still the list is in the thousands.

      http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/GetDownLoadFile.aspx

      To make an education green card worthy, it should probably be a little bit more rigorous than merely "accredited degree".

    23. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      This was a decade-plus ago, but we had a guy in for an interview with pretty much every basic certification there was: MCSE, CNE, CCNA, A+.

      When I asked him a Unix question, you could SEE the Blue Screen of Death in his eyes.

      Because, obviously, if there wasn't a cert on it, it couldn't be important. . .

      And any situation other than cookbook Microsoft, Novell, or Cisco questions got equally blank looks. . .

      Entirely too many of these shake-and-bake 1-week special cert classes have destroyed the worth of certifications as a gauge of technical ability. .

    24. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      We have had a few that crammed for certs passed them and then didn't even remember the things they were supposed to know.

      It's not surprising, I passed history but if you asked what year a war happened it better be the war of 1812 or I'll have to look it up.

    25. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      Simple solution: only give green cards to foreign students who graduate with STEM degrees from suitably well-accredited universities. At the far end of elitism you could restrict it to AAU members, but that would rule out a good number of decent state universities without a graduate research focus. I'm sure there's some other designation you could use that would exclude obvious diploma mills but include mid-tier state universities and other schools (e.g. Notre Dame) that aren't AAU members.

    26. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by tepples · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there's some other designation you could use that would exclude obvious diploma mills but include mid-tier state universities and other schools (e.g. Notre Dame) that aren't AAU members.

      Is regional accreditation an appropriate metric? That'd exclude debt-bait schools like those relying on ACICS.

    27. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      Possibly. If it were up to me, though, I'd probably want to exclude some of the lower-tier (yet still regionally accredited) schools. There are ALOT of schools that are accredited.

    28. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So. Let me get this straight. Keeping immigrants from Mexico out is bad because "a person can't be illegal", "it's racism", "they're not worse human beings because they're brown", "tear down the wall" and so on. But once some brown person "steals" your STEM job, not some redneck's, it's suddently "cut down H1B", "stop immigrants" and so on. Hypocrisy much?

    29. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps, but if someone asked you which came first, the war of 1812 or the civil war would you have to look that up? I personally despise certs, of the people I know worth their pay they are split 50/50 between being certified or not. It all comes down to experience and the desire to learn.

    30. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      The late 90s economy existed because of the collapse of the USSR, and lowering of spending on military "stuff" is why the budget balanced = plus putting excess ssi contributions in the general fund. Now that ClintonBushObama has had policy to outsource everything, it'll never occur again. How do you have taxpayers in a country when high paying work was outsourced?

    31. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He certainly has his faults but he actually got Osama Bin Laden. Mitch McConnell said out loud on the floor that it was his purpose to ensure Obama was a one-term president. That means he was putting his political ideology over whats best for the country. That is utterly shameful. Obama never had a chance to compromise with Republicans. There is a reason they are the party of "No" so much to the point that a lot of their voters became Trump supporters because they want government to actually do stuff and that stuff should help the majority of people. I'll argue that supporting Trump is only going to help rich people but I can't blame Republicans for wanting another option outside the elite that just says No and doesn't present alternative legislature unless it is to ban abortion which is a constitutional right whether you like it or not.

    32. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Nope. I'm against uncontrolled immigration from Mexico as well. I'm very much of the opinion that you should move the jobs to the people, not the people to the jobs.

      Having said that, if somebody travels 2000 miles to come to my door to beg for a place to stay for the night and to have a meal, I'm giving it to him. Jobs, not so much.

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    33. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The words say the green cards would be for graduates of US STEM programs. I believe this idea is a big improvement because the green card holder is free to shop for higher wages whereas the H1B visa is a form of indentured servitude.

    34. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word "potentially" should be replaced with "absolutely."

    35. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 0

      Let's see. Bill Clinton gave us the tech bubble and the recession that ensued in 2000. Bill Clinton gave us financial deregulation and the global economic collapse that ensued in 2008. Fuck off and die ass hole.

    36. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Kind of like with the H1B Visas, if it's done right...oh wait....

    37. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You will notice when he sat down and negotiated, the budget got created, but while he was saying "I refuse to negotiate with terrorists" the budget wasn't passed.

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    38. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > People with green cards compete with American engineers on their level.

      This is not entirely true, particularly if you live in the SF Bay Area. You see, I compete as a resident that has to support a family that lives here. A lot of the H1Bs will come here without their family, share housing and send money home. They can take less pay and still support their family.

    39. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I respectfully disagree. I was on an H1-B and knew lots of other engineers on H1-Bs and we all worked hard, got paid well and contributed. And those contributions and salary didn't change when we got our greencards ... This is based on a sample size of dozens.

    40. Re:Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa by netsavior · · Score: 1

      Sorry I did not mean to imply that H1B holders were worse, just that they can be (and are) treated worse, because it is objectively harder to quit from a job if you are on an H1B guest worker

      Someone's immigration work status is not a measure of how good or bad they are at their job, but it is a reliable measure for how difficult it is to quit, i.e. how bad someone can be treated (including pay) before they leave.
      A green card worker or a citizen worker can walk away from a crappy job MUCH easier than an H1B worker. Making them more competitive with each other (which is a good thing if you are a good engineer, and a bad thing if you are a bad engineer.)

  3. Surprised? Shouldn't be. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hillary and the various silicon valley billionaires are tight. They get her elected and she will try to implement their agenda. And make no mistake, their agenda involves more money for them, less privacy for you and more control over you.

    1. Re: Surprised? Shouldn't be. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      This is right. All these additional lines of connectivity won't necessarily enlighten and free the people they are imposed upon. These are levers and pulleys of greater social control.

    2. Re:Surprised? Shouldn't be. by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I'd probably rather have someone who's towing the line for Silicon Valley than someone who's towing the line for whoever the Republicans are beholden to.

    3. Re:Surprised? Shouldn't be. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that Hillary is towing the line for the scariest people the Republicans tow the line for. Trump probably isn't, but the scary part about that is that the most likely thing is he is towing the line for Trump.

    4. Re:Surprised? Shouldn't be. by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      I just meant that if the choice is between "Big Tech" and "Big Oil" or "Big Defense", then I'm more comfortable with a president that's beholden to "Big Tech".

    5. Re:Surprised? Shouldn't be. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You certainly naive. I can say that for you.

      So, for all the crying about big oil and big defense.... where was all that pandering when Obama had so much pull that he turned entire industries on their side and shook the money out of them? Where was these high ideas on defense and fossil fuels then? Oh, that's right. The Democrats make as much money from them as Republicans. It's just the rhetoric that is different. If anything, the Republicans are more honest about it.

    6. Re:Surprised? Shouldn't be. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just meant that if the choice is between "Big Tech" and "Big Oil" or "Big Defense", then I'm more comfortable with a president that's beholden to "Big Tech".

      How about a president who is self made and doesn't have to be beholden to anybody except the american people?

    7. Re:Surprised? Shouldn't be. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      I just meant that if the choice is between "Big Tech" and "Big Oil" or "Big Defense", then I'm more comfortable with a president that's beholden to "Big Tech".

      How about a president who is self made and doesn't have to be beholden to anybody except the american people?

      Then you have someone who is starting out rich (this is a huge negative in many peoples' minds) and is trying to "buy the presidency." There is no winning in this sort of argument.

    8. Re:Surprised? Shouldn't be. by buddyglass · · Score: 1

      Who would that be? Gary Johnson?

  4. Green Cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The green card idea is interesting, and I would enthusiastically support such a plan if it also included a dramatic reduction in the H1-B program.

    1. Re:Green Cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Odds are, she's also bought and payed for supporting an increase in the H1-B program. just that she hasn't been told to do anything about it yet.

    2. Re:Green Cards by coolmoose25 · · Score: 1

      But many of these immigrants do NOT integrate culturally. I work in the tech industry and the landscape has changed dramatically. Used to be that you hired junior programmers out of school and they rose through the ranks. I did that, and I might be the last generation of Americans who can. I have 5 employees reporting to me - they are all Indian. I work for an Indian boss. And I have over 100 consultants that work for me, mostly offshore. But some are onshore, and the culture is radically different. I now tell friends I work in the curry palace - the whole office smells of it. Worse, I have to accommodate people travelling back home for 4-5 weeks at a time. Sometimes they want to "work from India" for a week. I had one guy tell me he would work some days and not others. I couldn't keep track, so made a rule that if you want to work from home, you have to work EST and it has to be for a full week in these cases. I once asked for 3 weeks off for a family vacation to SoDak and Yellowstone. I got the hairy eyeball. Realistically, the unwritten rule for Americans is 2 weeks off. I get that going to India takes much more time. But still... anyway, some do integrate quite nicely. Most don't. Social norms are very different. Don't get me wrong... my India resources work VERY hard, and get the job done. But with the offshore rates so much lower than onshore rates, there is no room left in my company to hire historically American workers regardless of race, religion, or any other classification. They are just too expensive. So I worry about the company's future - where will they get the next "me" from? Will they outsource my IP to a consulting company? Will my company ultimately own any IT related IP? Yet I have no adequate answer either... if my company decided to insource everything, we'd be uncompetitive at least in the short run. We'd eventually go out of business. So what is the answer? I don't know. What I do know for sure is that this doesn't fit into "they're taking jobs Americans won't do" category. Lots of Americans would do this work. There are just far less positions than before, and as a country that is gonna hurt us.

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    3. Re:Green Cards by ravenscar · · Score: 1

      This assumes that those that aren't pursuing such an education are doing so for the sake of "mocking" higher learning. I think the question is often one of accessibility - one that will be exacerbated by the fact that tuitions are bound to increase as demand for spots at accredited institutions skyrockets. Yes, there are loans and grants available, but accessibility is about more than just money (though money is frequently a large factor).

      I believe there are plenty of smart people in this country - more than enough to meet the demand. I agree that there aren't enough educated people. Of course, it's difficult (and costly) to deal with getting the smart people that education. It's easier to import smart people whose parents are willing to foot the bill. The problem is that this further cements the class divide and effectively locks a large segment of the population out of any real chance for success. That never seems to turn out well in the long run.

      I'm of the belief that the market will eventually balance things out (other countries will build incentives to keep students from leaving), but what to do about what happens in the interim...do you even allow the situation that creates the interim...those are the questions with which people will always struggle.

  5. The moon on a stick might as well be in the plan by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    ... for all the basis in reality the plan will have once she gets elected in.

    Wouldn't it be nice if politicians were legally oblidged to give realistic manifestos and if they failed to deliver on at least a given percentage of them then there would be a fine or reduction in tenure time or some other punative measure?

  6. Why start now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, we certainly wouldn't want to start fostering any age discrimination, that's for sure!

  7. Clintons Never Lie! by Highdude702 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Because you can always believe what the Clinton's tell you right? I think we learned our lesson in the 90's with Bill. and i think Hillary is 100x worse about it. She is above the law(in her head anyways).

    1. Re:Clintons Never Lie! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, looking at Bill and Bush, I can only say that a prez that got a headjob was better than one that needed one badly.

      Then again, would I want one that can't even give good enough head to please her hubby?

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    2. Re: Clintons Never Lie! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Cleary you advocate a presidential concubine.

        Sure, it's a stretch beyond sexual harassment of female interns in the White House, but why not? Outright sex slavery isn't that big a leap!

    3. Re:Clintons Never Lie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might be good to remember that it wasn't the "headjob" that got Bill in trouble. It was his willingness to lie while under oath. Remember, you're defending a man who would lie at all costs, even when lying could land him in jail. Yet you still seem to trust him.

      What I always liked about Bush was I never felt he could lie and fool anybody, but then again maybe that was just because he was a better liar than Clinton.

    4. Re:Clintons Never Lie! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      It might be good to remember that it wasn't the "headjob" that got Bill in trouble. It was his willingness to lie while under oath.

      Meanwhile, the guy who followed him...

      These are the results of the war that we know. And the overall figures are stunning: 4.5 million displaced, 1-2 million widows, 5 million orphans, about one million dead—in one way or another, affecting nearly one in every two people in Iraq with tragically life-altering (or ending) impacts.

      http://web.mit.edu/humancostir...

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    5. Re:Clintons Never Lie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, you're not entirely correct with your facts there...GWB is responsible for the war in Iraq, which put Shiites in control of Iraq over the Sunni minority. But Obama is responsible for smuggling arms to rebels in Syria in an attempt to overthrow Assad, which has failed miserably. Obama is also responsible for withdrawing US troops from Iraq way too early, allowing AQI to rebuild in northern Iraq (with Sunni help) and expand into Syria when it began to destabilize. You can blame GWB for an ill-advised war and plenty of dead soldiers, but the rise of ISIS is squarely on Obama.

    6. Re:Clintons Never Lie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your quote has what to do with my statement? I said right there either Bush was a much better liar or couldn't lie in a believable manner at all. But at any rate, he also didn't lie under oath which is directly a crime. I mean hell, that's even in the portion of my post that you quoted. Under oath. I'm not saying Bush wasn't a liar, I'm saying he wasn't such a pathological liar as to do it under oath. As such, Clinton gets impeached, Bush didn't.

      Christ, why is it that Clinton supporters don't seem to have a problem with it that the Clintons regularly break laws that would land ordinary folk in prison?

    7. Re: Clintons Never Lie! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh please, melodrama much?

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    8. Re:Clintons Never Lie! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have a prez that lies to get fucked himself than one that lies to fuck up the country.

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    9. Re:Clintons Never Lie! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      But at any rate, he also didn't lie under oath which is directly a crime.

      Does his oath of office count?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  8. wish list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If there was any lingering doubt as to tech's favored presidential candidate," writes USA Today's Jon Swartz, "Hillary Trump put an end to that Tuesday with a tech plan that reads like a Silicon Valley wish list. It calls for connecting every U.S. household to high-speed internet by 2020, reducing regulatory barriers and supporting Net neutrality rules, [which ban internet providers from blocking or slowing content.] It proposes investments in computer science and engineering education ("engage the private sector and nonprofits to train up to 50,000 computer science teachers in the next decade"), expansion of 5G mobile data, making inexpensive Wi-Fi available at more airports and train stations, and attaching a green trump to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees."
    dcblogs shares with us a report from Computerworld that specifically discusses Trump's support of green cards for foreign students who earn STEM degrees:
    As president, Hillary Trump will support automatic green cards, or permanent residency, for foreign students who earn advanced STEM degrees. Trump, the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate, wants the U.S. to "staple" green cards on the diplomas of STEM (science, technology, engineering, math) masters and PhD graduates "from accredited institutions." Trump outlined her plan in a broader tech policy agenda released today. Trump's "staple" idea isn't new. It's what Mitt Trump, the GOP presidential candidate in 2012, supported. It has had bipartisan support in Congress. But the staple idea is controversial. Critics will say this provision will be hard to control, will foster age discrimination, and put pressure on IT wages.

  9. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nope. The office of the president doesn't have that sort of power, at all.

    Might as well make a fine for each provably untrue thing said in a public speech.

  10. Cheap labor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pay no salaries, pay no taxes, pay nothing. Why can't we just end this nonsense and start to treat these companies the way they deserve it? Boycott apple. All power to comcast. They protect their customers.

  11. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by sensei+moreh · · Score: 1

    Jail them for fraud

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  12. Automatic Green Cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She's just greasing the slope of Western civilization cultural genocide.

  13. Re:Theodp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We get it Theodp: you are middle aged and worried that young educated people are going to take your jerb. Give it a rest. Young people need a future too

    The funny thing about many young people is they think they will never get old.

  14. No surprise by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Funny

    Considering that Silicon Valley almost certainly came up with it to begin with. She always stay on script. Sigh

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  15. Re: Turkey airport attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course this has been quickly modded down to -1. Someone doesn't like the inherent biases being called out in the comments. But it's true, there's a big difference in the responses to the Brussels and Istanbul attacks.

  16. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... for all the basis in reality the plan will have once she gets elected in.

    Wouldn't it be nice if politicians were legally oblidged to give realistic manifestos and if they failed to deliver on at least a given percentage of them then there would be a fine or reduction in tenure time or some other punative measure?

    You'd have to define realistic, and you'd have to define delivery. That can be a bit hard, especially with say, the Contract with America. Arguably, Newt Gingrich could say he delivered on 100% of his promises.

    Why? Because he only promised to bring them up for a vote. He didn't promise to do them.

  17. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the US? How would you get around the obvious 1st amendment issues?

  18. Slip in CA Polls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, she was polling 19-26% ahead of Trump in CA on 2 June. Did she slip that much recently that she feels she needs to promise the sky?

    1. Re:Slip in CA Polls by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Maybe the paycheck came in and she felt she should show much she can be the corporate whore that's wanted.

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    2. Re:Slip in CA Polls by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Or this is her way of locking that lead up.

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  19. Do not trust political candidates... by SciCom+Luke · · Score: 2

    ...especially prior to elections! The promise mountains of gold... until the elections are over.

  20. Easy solution by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa. Diploma mills are already a reality in many parts of the world, adding a green card as an incentive and the potential for abuse is immense.

    So you limit it to select accredited universities. Problem solved. If someone can graduate from MIT with an engineering degree and wants to stay in the USA, we're idiots to not help them do that. It only becomes a problem if we don't pay any attention to how it's done.

    1. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you limit it to select accredited universities.

      Like IIT. Just staple the green card to their diploma.

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    2. Re:Easy solution by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you limit it to select accredited universities. Problem solved.

      Accreditation has already been heavily compromised in order to suck up student loan money.

    3. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then it's a dead certainty that no one will pay any attention to this scheme, just as no one's paying any attention to H1B abuse now. These kinds of scams are fundamentally predicated on the premise that no one will pay any attention to them once they're pushed through.

    4. Re:Easy solution by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It only becomes a problem if we don't pay any attention to how it's done.

      This idea is a non-starter. We already discourage students from pursuing STEM degrees by allowing companies like Facebook and Microsoft to import cheap labor in the form of H1-B visas--are we now to add a further disincentive by saying that anybody who can slither under the wire to get accepted to a U.S. university (and graduate) is now your permanent competition inside the United States? That's so self-destructive it's ridiculous. Policies like this are why the idiots in Britain voted to shoot their country (and themselves, directly) in the foot with a "Brexit" vote--because of the perception that their government serves "outsiders" ahead of them.

      This policy would make that even more the case in the United States and might push even rational Americans to consider a Trump vote.

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    5. Re:Easy solution by axewolf · · Score: 1

      we're idiots

      Explain to me exactly how it benefits you that foreign students should come and take up a slot in one of our universities and then take up a slot in one of our high-paying jobs?

      It there is no benefit to you over a US citizen taking up those slots.

      So why are you advocating something that's not in your interest?

      Reflex to hear yourself talk about a hot issue and to have the pleasure of appearing on the popular side.

      This is why democracy is a failure. People are unaware of their own interest and readily side with anyone on a whim.

    6. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may not be a big problem for the most selective private schools, but those turn out future professors, not the engineers who become licensed and design things for the real world.

      The legions of everyday engineers come from the engineering colleges within state universities, and this sort of thing would flood them with foreign applicants. It's going to become very hard for them to keep admission standards up, especially when some bean-counter starts doing the statistics on admission rates of various kinds of minority students.

      When application rates of foreigners skyrocket, the absolute rate of admission needs to stay the same which means the ratio is going to plummet. And affirmative action won't let that happen. So now the courses will fill with unqualified students. The license exams will continue to have high standards... for a while, so these foreign students will end up with degrees and green cards but unable to get a license and a job. Meanwhile, they've already taken over class time with dumb questions and degraded the education of those students who were qualified. Not to mention the fact that the degree no longer means anything to employers.

      Didn't think of how this policy interacts with "diversity", did she? Or maybe, ruining an island within the education system that actually teaches its graduates how to think critically, and maybe question the policies of their political overlords, is actually in intended outcome...

    7. Re:Easy solution by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      to import cheap labor in the form of H1-B visas--are we now to add a further disincentive by saying that anybody who can slither under the wire to get accepted to a U.S. university (and graduate) is now your permanent competition inside the United States?

      Seems like we see this same idiocy on every /. story related to immigration. Here's the thing: an immigrant has the same cost of living I do, the overseas guy doesn't. Every single developer who immigrates get paid more as a result. The average pay for the work increases with every immigrant.

      Your competition has never been "workers in the US" in software development, but "workers in the world".

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    8. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a lot more faith in congress than I ever will.

    9. Re:Easy solution by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The average pay for the work increases with every immigrant.

      Um, no. There's something called a saturation point, beyond which adding in more programmers drives down wages. This is nothing more than employers trying to rig the supply and demand equation and save a buck. Any crowing about "shortages" of skilled STEM talent are mostly B.S.--the problem is they won't raise wages to attract someone to the job, and would prefer the government allow them to import cheap H1-B labor, or saturate the market by granting permanent residency to anyone who goes gets a STEM degree here. Both practices dilute wages, because both practices allow employers to defy the laws of supply and demand--they want to monkey with the available supply of these workers to keep wages down.

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    10. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are we now to add a further disincentive by saying that anybody who can slither under the wire to get accepted to a U.S. university (and graduate) is now your permanent competition inside the United States? That's so self-destructive it's ridiculous.

      Not if you're a globalist (not the "globalist" followers, but an actual globalist - someone with at least 9 figures in the bank able to act internationally.)

      This policy would make that even more the case in the United States and might push even rational Americans to consider a Trump vote.

      All rational Americans are already voting for Trump if for no reason other than to keep Hillary out. If this is the straw that broke your back then great, but realistically Hillary already carries a load bigger than mount everest.

    11. Re:Easy solution by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      You have no idea how the H1B Visa program is being used. Thanks for proving you're a fucking moron.

    12. Re:Easy solution by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      Wrong. If there are 1000 jobs and 1010 people who can do them, wages will be high as you want to keep the people who can do those jobs in them instead of going off and building custom cars or baking $5000 cakes for the Food Network or whatever. But if there are 1000 jobs and 5000 people who can do them, and 4000 of those people came to the area specifically for those jobs, employers can now drop the salary significantly because if YOU don't want that job, there are 2999 others who do.

      It's a different path, but it's still a race to the bottom.

    13. Re:Easy solution by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seems like we see this same idiocy on every /. story related to immigration. Here's the thing: an immigrant has the same cost of living I do, the overseas guy doesn't. Every single developer who immigrates get paid more as a result. The average pay for the work increases with every immigrant.

      I doubt that's the case with H1B immigrants who are locked into a specific sponsoring employer under pain of being kicked out of the country. It certainly is the case, though, with actual green card immigrants who, if they they are underpaid or otherwise unfairly treated, can jump ship for a new employer. So that would be my solution:

      Eliminate H1B, and any other employer-restricted visas entirely. But for provably skilled and educated workers in the STEM fields, have a fast track program to get them permanent residency in short order. That way they can't be trapped by an abusive employer. And they'll be here, contributing to our economy, in the long-term rather than making a bit of money and taking it, and their skills, back overseas.

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    14. Re:Easy solution by lgw · · Score: 1

      You are not adding workers through immigration. You're moving your existing competition to the US where they have a higher cost of living. You're competing with these guys for jobs wherever they live, so you should want them to live someplace expensive.

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    15. Re:Easy solution by lgw · · Score: 1

      and 4000 of those people came to the area specifically for those jobs

      Those jobs can be done form any area and frequently are. Those 4000 people are already working, already competing with you, and currently have a very low cost of living. You should want them to have a high cost of living.

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    16. Re:Easy solution by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      If they're already being offshored then the jobs in question are not part of this equation as the company will still do that whether there are H1Bs or green carded grads to be had. There will be bottom of the barrel offshore locations for longer than we are both going to be alive on this planet.

      It's the jobs that aren't being offshored that will have their salaries lowered as the pool of available candidates to fill them increases. Look at Uber. Massive oversupply of drivers and they make less than they would working at a 7-11. It's simple market forces: if there are more people vying for a job the employer can offer less to have it filled due to a surplus of available labor. Just like real estate, if there's a bunch of people selling but hardly anyone buying the prices will drop. You can try to spin it any way you want, it doesn't make it true.

    17. Re:Easy solution by lambsonic · · Score: 1

      That would require the demand to move slower to the US than the supply. However, in tech, demand closely follows supply. This is pretty easy to demonstrate by the fact that something like 9% (off the top of my head) of the population of Seattle are tech people, and yet there is still crazy demand. The nature of technology is that there is virtually limitless possibility to *create* demand, because an increase in technology is an increase of efficiency, which is an inherent market advantage, which naturally is a form of demand.

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    18. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've worked at many large tech companies, including some of those you mention, and I can assure you that foreign workers on H1-B visas are not "cheap labor". They are well paid. I was well-paid on an H1-B visa.

      If you are unable to get a tech job or a well-paying tech job, try sharpening your skills. You are not under- or un-employed because of foreign workers but instead because your skills are not marketable enough. Don't blame "The Other".

      And I am a middle-aged white male by the way. Nobody is discriminating against me and I don't experience any ageism. I have recruiters emailing me every week on LinkedIn.

      I'm not trying to attack you or hurt your feelings. But stop the "cheap foreign labor" argument as it is not factually accurate.

      Have a nice day!

    19. Re:Easy solution by DerpQuake · · Score: 1

      Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B visa. Diploma mills are already a reality in many parts of the world, adding a green card as an incentive and the potential for abuse is immense.

      So you limit it to select accredited universities. Problem solved. If someone can graduate from MIT with an engineering degree and wants to stay in the USA, we're idiots to not help them do that. It only becomes a problem if we don't pay any attention to how it's done.

      That would be fine, as long as U.S. citizens have priority in admissions and it doesn't put upward pressure on tuition costs.

    20. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Western Europeans won't take the kind of abuse that employers will dish out. What about Romanians? Indians? People who live in countries where the poverty is so great, they'll work for peanuts in another?

    21. Re:Easy solution by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Foreign students put downward pressures on tuition since they pay more than it costs to educate them. This allows colleges to collect less from everybody else. The fact that bureaucrats charge higher tuition despite this is not their fault.

  21. Tech workers vs owners? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds more like she has the vote of the tech company heads, not the much larger population of tech workers; why would they vote to depress their own wages? (in before: because of the alternative)

  22. Man! Romney has real clout with the democrats! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First Obamacare and now this? Hillary, you might be a nice person and all, but you're a republican.

  23. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by msauve · · Score: 1

    I think anything which a politician says is considered puffery.

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  24. Since when should we trust politicians? by houghi · · Score: 2

    Politicians will say anything to get your vote. This is nothing new. They will say it in words so they are not actually lying.
    Recently we have seen this with the UK politicians who were shocked themselves they won Brexit and have no idea how to get out of the shit. We have seen it with the 'closing' of Gunatanamo bay. We have seen it with any and all politicians. And I mean all of them. Right, left, communist, ...

    As long as they are not accountable for their lies, nothing will change and to do that a serious reform would be needed. How to get to that reform? Vote for me, I will do it. I guarantee that these lies will stop.

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  25. Re:Turkey airport attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When ISIL detonated bombs in the Brussels airport, Slashdot posted a story within a few hours. The same thing happened in Istanbul and Slashdot still hasn't posted a story. If a white country in western or central Europe gets attacked, Slashdot is all over it. When it happens to Muslims and people of color, Slashdot doesn't care. It's racist, for sure.

    Only because you want to complain, I'll tell you the deal. It's ugly but it's reality.

    Muslims blowing up other Muslims is nothing unusual. The Shia and Sunnis (however it's spelt) have been doing this for a long time. That's not news. People of color shooting each other is nothing unusual. For young black men in the US it's the leading cause of non-natural death. Not getting shot by racist whites, but by other blacks usually over thug gangsta affairs.

    It is news when this happens to a first world white nation because they tend to value law and order. When Muslims deal with their own extreme elements and the black community deals with its worship of criminals and its lack of fathers, what you are complaining about will change. Not until then.

  26. Huge loophole and very bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As president, Hillary Clinton will support automatic green cards, or permanent residency, for foreign students who earn advanced STEM degrees. .... masters and PhD graduates "from accredited institutions."

    So, all they need to do is stay in school longer and get to stay in the country,. In the meantime, it's going to flood the market with advanced degree holders and we'll see employers demanding graduate degrees for jobs that really only need an undergraduate degree because they want to weed people out - kind of like they do now in requiring BSCS degrees when one needs maybe a minor in CS or a CIS degree or even no degree at all. (It's happening all over the place. You need a college degree these days to be a receiving clerk.)

    Then American kids will then have to stay in school longer - wracking up more debt and opportunity costs.

    And of course, she is under the impression that the jobs will be there. And she's also under the erroneous impression that they are needed.

    We've been seeing how companies are firing their American workers and either sending the IT/STEM work to cheap labor countries or replacing them with H1-bs. This policy, if enacted, will just make things worse for Americans.

    As we see yet again, policy makers are behind the times and have no clue.

    1. Re:Huge loophole and very bad idea. by Diss+Champ · · Score: 1

      Look, I don't like Hilary. I don't think this plan is anything more than an attempt to get votes. But your particular complaint about what would happen if the plan were carried out strikes me as misguided.

      Foreign students who are here to get a degree ALREADY get to stay as long as they are working on a degree. The crunch comes when they graduate. They need to have a job lined up to stay in the country, and so companies have a lot of leverage in hiring and then how they treat them afterwards under the H1B program. The degree is already the argument the companies use to get them the H1B.

      This whole dynamic is a large part of why they can be used to undercut salaries for permanent residents and citizens. It also creates unnecessary bad feelings toward the US by folks we should actually prefer to stay here rather than going back to somewhere else and help offshoring efforts. The plan seems to me a good solution to breaking this dynamic and reducing H1B abuse.

      The only drawback I see, which does need a careful selection of institutions to minimize, is that some folks are justifiably unemployable despite somehow managing to obtain an advanced degree. We wind up with them as permanent residents and that costs something in public services. It's a drop in the bucket compared to the costs for uneducated illegal immigrants, but it is something. On the whole, I'd consider the tradeoff a good one.

    2. Re:Huge loophole and very bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Teacher, cop, federal worker...so many opportunities in the future.

    3. Re:Huge loophole and very bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, I see what you're saying. But let's backup here and look at the bigger picture.

      The whole populist movement in the Western World (the BRExit is just the latest symptom) is because people are realizing that globalization and automation for that matter, is turning into a raw deal for the average person. It's hurting us in the tech community - when I graduated, I didn't have to worry about h1-bs or off-shoring to India.

      This policy is just a feel good plan to keep the status quo.

      It will used to force out Americans who are qualified under the BS excuse that the employer "needs" someone with a graduate degree.

      No, I see this solution as just more of the same.

    4. Re:Huge loophole and very bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The big issue here is H1Bs being conflated with OPTs. OPT - Optional Practical Training - is the work permit that foreign students - F1 visa holders - get for working. It's valid for a year. Allowing one to go directly from OPT to Green Card is something even Trump supports, even while he opposes H1Bs. Right now, after one's OPT term is complete, their employer has to apply for a H1B visa on their behalf. Under these proposals, they wouldn't have to, and these foreign students wouldn't be dragging down wages of US citizens or permanent residents.

      The issue of remaining in school as long as one wants is already something that any citizen can do, but as far as foreigners go, the F1 visas are valid only for something like 4 years (depending on the degree that the student is pursuing). What makes the difference is whether one has an on campus job that's his/hers as long as s/he's a student. If one has that, then being in school long is something one can afford. If one does not, either parents have to foot the bill, or they get loans up to a point, beyond which the lending institution would refuse to keep financing someone for just staying in school

  27. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's dumb as hell. All we have to do is stop reelecting them. Is that so difficult?

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  28. Promises like this are easy for Hillary by JackieBrown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    She is amazingly quick to tailor promises based on who she is talking to. The tech community should be aware of this.

    Some big examples would be gay marriage, TPA, patriot act, Iraq War, etc.

    Yes, I know all politicians lie. I am just annoyed that people believe things that Hillary say means something.

    On a tech site, we are cheering someone's tech platform whose tech level is so low that her defenders say we should not expect Hillary to be able to manage two separate email accounts.

    1. Re: Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hey, she probably had the guy who put the server in her bathroom closet (who happens to be the first "political appointee" in the history of State Department IT employees) help write up this stuff.

    2. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Those she will probably deliver, as long cyberdyne is one of the companies that get benefited.

    3. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This week Freakanomics re-released their podcast on how much power the president actually has. It made me a little less apprehensive about voting for her opponent. I haven't read her full report but the other article I read on it wasn't quite so rosy. It did mention several of the positives here, it also mentioned she wanted stricter control on encryption. I suppose this is what the article was referencing: "... she supports Senator Mark Warner and Representative Mike McCaul’s idea for a national commission on digital security and encryption. This commission will work with the technology and public safety communities to address the needs of law enforcement, protect the privacy and security of all Americans that use technology, assess how innovation might point to new policy approaches, and advance our larger national security and global competitiveness interests."

    4. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by houghi · · Score: 2

      Well, she is for every person to own their email server so snooping from the government is not possible anymore and that can't be a bad thing.

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    5. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      What's the deal with gay marriage? Do you think she doesn't really support it, or does really support it but says she doesn't?

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    6. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Government control on encryption = "put a giant backdoor in everything"

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    7. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She doesn't need to marry Huma, and nobody else needs to get married, either. Except for purposes of political advancement, of course.

    8. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Months in I still have so many friends thinking they can beat Trump by making him seem worse and worse. It started with needing to convince me that Hillary wasn't as bad as I've thought, but she's gotten worse and worse as we've crept closer to the vote. As much as Trump has made himself look terrible, she seems downright scary at this point.

    9. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      What's the deal with gay marriage? Do you think she doesn't really support it, or does really support it but says she doesn't?

      She didn't support it, until it turned out that a lot of voters supported it, so in 2013 she changed her position and supported it. It speaks to principles. Hers are "say what's popular." I'm sure if people heard what she said to Goldman Sachs audiences (that netted her hundreds of thousands of "speaking fees"), most people would not support it, so we won't get to hear those comments.

      Clinton opposed same-sex marriage as a candidate for the Senate, while in office as a senator, and while running for president in 2008. She expressed her support for civil unions starting in 2000 and for the rights’ of states to set their own laws in favor of same-sex marriage in 2006. As polls showed that a majority of Americans supported same-sex marriage, Clinton’s views changed, too. She announced her support for same-sex marriage in March 2013.

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    10. Re: Promises like this are easy for Hillary by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You mean, in between his depositions and grand jury testimony?

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    11. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      . . . I expect not so much Cyberdyne, but Yoyodyne. . .

      After all, gotta court that Red Lectron vote. . . (grin)

    12. Re: Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a shitshow either way. Vote third party just to piss them off.

    13. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      I feel the same about Trump, I've got a ton of friends trying to convince me to vote for him.

      My response: I will not be bullied into voting for a East Coast, Elitist, big government, big business Liberal. And that goes for Hillary Too.

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    14. Re: Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Salgak1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm tempted to write-in Rick Astley.

      After all, he's never gonna give us up, never gonna let us down. . . .

    15. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think it's because she took so long to support it, well after many other prominent Democrats were publicly in favor. Also, she had an almost 20 year public record of being against gay marriage when she was First Lady and Senator Clinton. And, she has shown an amazing record of telling specific audiences what they want to hear in order to further her own goals:

      1996: President clinton signs DOMA. I'm sure she didn't have anything to say about that at the time.
      1999: When running for Senate, she tells a gay audience that she was against her husband's "Don't ask / Don't tell" policy. Another line the same article clarifies her views on gay marriage and DOMA:

      Mrs. Clinton's spokesman, Howard Wolfson, said that the first lady, like her husband, supported legislation passed by Congress in 1996 that effectively banned gay marriages.

      2000: Speaking in White Plains, NY:

      Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage has always been, between a man and a woman.

      Also 2000: She supports rights equality with gay civil unions:

      "I have supported the kind of rights and responsibilities that are being extended to gay couples in Vermont,"

      2004: Senate floor speech where she was against a Federal amendment banning same-sex marriage. She still opposed gay marriage in the 2004 speech, but was against enshrining it into the Constitution.
      2006: Tells group of gay politicians that and she wouldn't block it if New York passed a law allowing it. Never mind that she couldn't under the 10th Amendment.
      2007 - 2008 Presidential Primary: Asked about her opposition on gay marriage by a gay-oriented television network, she gives this:

      "Well, I prefer to think of it as being very positive about civil unions. You know, it’s a personal position. How we get to full equality is the debate we’re having, and I am absolutely in favor of civil unions with full equality of benefits, rights, and privileges."

      2013: Full throated support of gay marriage now that DOMA is about to be shot to sunshine by the Supreme Court
      2014: During her book tour, she interviews on NPR's "Fresh Air" where Terry Gross asks her about her past positions on gay marriage, and Hillary gets a little pissy about it, throwing out the "playing with my words" accusation. About 1/3 of the way through the transcript is where the exchange takes place.

      Only now that the majority of the electorate supports gay marriage does she support it. Flip flop on an issue that is religious / moral with a nice sprinkling of civil rights when the polls say to? That's how you define leadership!

      (For the record, I'm fine with gay marriage, so don't get up in my business as being some homophobic whatever.)

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    16. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by axewolf · · Score: 1

      Stop saying "she". There is no "she". "She" is a massive team of strategists and advisors. "She" is a machine, not a person.

    17. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by ranton · · Score: 0

      She is amazingly quick to tailor promises based on who she is talking to. The tech community should be aware of this.

      Some big examples would be gay marriage, TPA, patriot act, Iraq War, etc.

      None of these are examples of tailoring promises based on who she is talking to. They are examples of her public policies being influenced by the electorate she is courting at the time. This is branded as "flip flopping", but only if you are looking for a politician who has agreed with you on everything for the past 30 years and has never cared about the opinions of anyone else. That is not the type of politician I want. I would prefer a politician who listens to the will of the people at the time and molds a political platform based on that.

      Hillary Clinton has always been a very moderate progressive. She leans progressive, but waits for a monumental level of support before acting. Who knows what her thoughts on marriage equality were in the 90's, but she wasn't going to back that agenda until it won enough support to win in the courts and the legislature. Hillary will probably never lead a movement. But she listens to successful movements and fights with them to turn public support into tangible results. I don't feel this is flip flopping, I feel it is being an effective leader.

      I voted for Bernie in the primaries because I wanted someone to lead a progressive movement, but it is now obvious the country is not ready for that yet. Hillary Clinton is still a great second choice, because she will fight hard for values that were progressive 10-20 years ago but are now starting to gain mainstream support.

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    18. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Ogive17 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I cannot stand Hillary and will not vote for her or Trump.. however don't we want our elected representatives to echo the voice of the people?

      It was relatively recent that a majority of Americans supported gay marriage.

      I don't mind politicians who change their tone over time.. we all change our viewpoints throughout our lives. As I've grown older I have become more liberal (by American standards). I also do not care what a politicians personal belief is, I want to know how they would influence the law related to those issues. I would personally only approve of an abortion if there were life-threatening complications to the pregnancy... but I think everyone should make their own choice.

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    19. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      She didn't support it, until it turned out that a lot of voters supported it, so in 2013 she changed her position and supported it.

      So what do you propose? From what I can see there are two options, and both are wrong.

      There is the "listen to the people and reflect their will." Then you get accused of being a flip-flopper, being politically expedient, having no principles, and everything you just accused.

      There is the "I know what's right, damn it. I don't care what the people think." Then you get things like the "Segregation Now-Segregation Forever," "Waterboarding is an effective and necessary tool to fight terrorism," and Disney Copyright terms.

      Personally I think there is some value to a politician saying "I'm a representative of the people, and the people want this, so I'll make it happen irrespective of my personal beliefs," and "I have learned new things and have changed my position to reflect it." (Then again, I also think there is value in having principles and taking a stand to do the "right thing" even if it is unpopular... the trick is to make sure that it is the right thing in the end.)

    20. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      What's the deal with gay marriage?

      Hey, why not?

      They have the right to be JUST as unhappy as normal married people....

      :)

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    21. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The more I hear about Hilary Clinton the more I realize how similar to Trump she is.

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    22. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by wyHunter · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, a vote for a libertarian or someone else is a vote for Hillary.

    23. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by wyHunter · · Score: 0

      Trump is more honest, believe it or not.

    24. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Hillary's opinion on that issue (and others) is so vaulted away inside herself, I'm not sure she could privately answer it.

      Practically speaking its a matter of what she thinks will win the votes on any given day.

      A better alternative: be the candidate you want to vote for.

    25. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I don't have a problem with a politician changing their views. I DO have a problem with a politician lying about their views to get elected, then "changing" after the election, screwing the poor shmoes who voted for the bums.

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    26. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

      Trump is more honest, believe it or not.

      Which shows how scary this election is.

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    27. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is more honest, believe it or not.

      Trump is honest in the same way a toddler is being honest when they lash out and say "I hate you!" They mean it sincerely in the moment, but haven't come it to from a place of logical introspection and may change their minds later, especially if you offer them a cookie.

    28. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      No, it's a vote for who I vote for. I can't control how other people vote; stop acting like I can.

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    29. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      Yes, and for a politician it is very hard to prove sincerity when an opinion has changed.

      I have a former classmate that is now heavily involved in Planned Parenthood after being an aide for Democratic Congressfolk for about a decade... the guy has a huge thing for Hillary.. and I just don't get it. Ok, so she's a woman and now wants to be a champion of women's rights.. guess it's convenient to ignore the past when in the present you'll get what you want.

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    30. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being more consistent does not mean you are more honest.
      He is probably just a better liar.

    31. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      She" is a massive team of strategists and advisors. "She" is a machine, not a person.

      I don't see the distinction between this candidate and all of the others. Every candidate at the presidential level has a team of strategists and advisors. So? Each candidate is nevertheless still a human being. Pretending otherwise might be a fun way to try to dehumanize someone you don't like, but it doesn't make it so.

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    32. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by CaptainLard · · Score: 1

      You may well be right but on the other hand you can be honest about murdering a bunch of people. Extreme example sure, but the point is (relative) honesty in itself is insufficient for a rigorous evaluation of a presidential candidate.

    33. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by axewolf · · Score: 1

      The point is the object that is being perceived by the public is not a person. They are perceiving the a (one-way) interface to a machine. It's not a matter of fun, it's a matter of practicality. The human aspects that a 'politician' lends to the machine behind them are insignificant to the purpose of the machine.

      Also one way you can tell that you are seriously too wrapped up in this utter insanity is that you assumed I was putting down Hillary in some kind of effort to support another candidate. And that you completely missed the implications of what I was saying.

      Get a grip! Seriously.
      None of this shit matters. It's all a distraction to delude you into thinking any of your problems can be solved by this false "democracy". Your opinion doesn't matter because you don't assert it unless you are asked to. Welcome to real life.

    34. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This isn't changing tone over time, this is changing to whichever view best benefits you in the moment. After she's elected, so no longer needs to pander to the general public so she'll switch back to whatever views the larger corporations pay for. This is a selfish personality we shouldn't tolerate in government officials.

    35. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      True but I would argue that Mrs. Clinton HAS murdered a lot of people and is dishonest about it. So that's two strikes against her.

    36. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      I hear what you are saying. But it is mathematically impossible for a libertarian to win the presidency. So a vote for libertarian is a vote for a Democrat - because the only people who vote libertarian are right leaning people - in the sense that 'right' means 'individuals have more rights than the state.' This is the pragmatic truth.

    37. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      You really nailed it!

    38. Re: Promises like this are easy for Hillary by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Well to be fair, he is still more qualified than she is.

    39. Re:Promises like this are easy for Hillary by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Using the same logic, it's also a vote for the Republican because you didn't vote for the Democrat. I'll most likely vote for the Libertarian, but I tend to lean more towards the Democrats than the Republicans. Does that mean I'm voting for Trump? It just doesn't make any sense.

  29. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    How can you propose a system to hold politicians accountable for failure to deliver on platform goals unless they have complete dictatorial control over implementation? "Well, then, they shouldn't promise anything .. " I hear you say. Well, sure, under such a system, politicians would be foolish to propose improving or changing anything. Would that make you happier? Life is a lot more complicated than you wish it was. In general, if *you* know that proposed plans are just plans, and *I* know proposed plans are just plans, then we can both make personal judgement on the feasibility and likelihood of a candidate being able (or willing) to deliver on them and vote accordingly. I think it's reasonable to assume that most people understand that a campaign promise isn't a legally binding blood pact.

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  30. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

    The first amendment exists to protect the people from the government. Elected officials are acting as the government, not the people.

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  31. H1B is the problem by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    I suspect that she is listing all this stuff to enable her to INCREASE the number of h1b . For somebody that speaks of supporting the middle class, she is looking to gut the jobs by offspring and increasing immigration.

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    1. Re:H1B is the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.. that doesn't even make sense. If the students become American citizens, they will be in the same job market as every other American.

      As it is right now, they have their own job market where they falsely inflate their credentials wholesale and allow employers to get away with not even considering genuinely-qualified American citizens as applicants.

    2. Re:H1B is the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an H1B worker making 180k last year, I would argue that IT wages often times are out of touch with ordinary Americans, and that these inflated wages hurts innovation in America.

  32. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because fraud is isn't a first amendment issue. You'll see that the supreme court doesn't tend to uphold the first when lying is involved if said lying is causing harm.

  33. Catch 22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The catch is, it will be under some level of government and corporate fascist control. You will agree to "conditions" that enable government to record and use the data as they see fit.

  34. Graduating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If someone can graduate from MIT with an engineering degree ....

    I don't think graduating is a problem. Looking at MIT's online classes, it's almost identical to what I had.

    What MIT and other top schools are good at and are able to do is get the best and smartest because they are top schools. Meaning, those students would excel anywhere - with or without a degree; as we see with so many Harvard dropouts who go on to become billionaire tech entrepreneurs.

    And of course, as they just accept the best of the best, those people go on to be great successes and further boost the reputation of the institution.

  35. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 4, Informative

    That late 90s economy couldn't have existed as it did separate from it's aftermath.

    Yeah, we got to hear the President play the sax on TV and benefit from the "bubble expanding" half of the boom/bust cycle (and also collect on the dividend of the end of all that Cold War spending, but I digress) but the hype fest couldn't go on indefinitely. VA Linux and the dot.bomb hype outfits needed to eventually produce something that could realize a profit (*ahem*)

  36. Awesome! by PvtVoid · · Score: 0

    Every single one of those items sounds like excellent policy.

    Not that anybody in the current political debate in the U.S. gives a fuck about policy, instead of walls and BENGHAZI!

    1. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the idiot who thinks it is a "real" list. This is like middle school class president election where the kid who promises more cookies and recess gets praise.

  37. Can anyone call bullshit here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds as if she would have to use executive orders to override DHS, Judicial, Congress and the FCC. I'm no legal expert, but it sounds like unless she plans on ignoring all her presidential duties to work 100% on what sounds like the tasks of a congressional member as opposed to executive, this isn't even a pipe dream.

    So is there anyone out there that can break down these items with whether they are in her purview as president and how much time it would take with a hostile congressional opposition to accomplish?

  38. Re:Turkey airport attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turkey, however, is not your stereotypical Muslim country/would-be caliphate. During the 20th Century, it tried very hard to be a secular country, and a lot of people aren't happy with its recent slide towards theocracy.

    What makes it a target is that they are involved not only with opposing ISIS, which is practically on their doorstep (unlike Europe), but also a restive Kurd population who would very much like to secede into their own country even while themselves opposing ISIS.

  39. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When someone is running for office, they are just private individuals.

  40. Re:Theodp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HAHAHA, I liked that one.

  41. Re:DOESN'T ADDRESS THE REAL ISSUE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...more HOT women in STEM..."

    FTFY

  42. Re: The moon on a stick might as well be in the pl by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    So far Hillary's greatest seat in government has been as a selected official, not an elected official.

    Sure, she put in a few years as an ineffective freshman senator, but that's about it. Everything else she has gotten by hanging around the right people.

  43. A free e-mail server in every basement ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A free e-mail server in every basement!

    Now there's a platform I can support.

    1. Re:A free e-mail server in every basement ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure everyone on slashdot already has this in their parents basement. I certainly wasn't far from that stereotype for a long time.

    2. Re:A free e-mail server in every basement ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about in the restrooms, like it was for Clinton in Denver?

  44. almost makes we want to vote for the shaved ape by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 0

    Hillary Clinton [has] a tech plan that reads like a Silicon Valley wish list. It calls for:

    Oh, I can't wait to hear what it calls for.

    connecting every U.S. household to high-speed internet by 2020

    Sigh. I usually try to counter the diehard tech pessimists on Slashdot, but in this case I join them in saying: fuck you, political campaign. No chance of this happening, even after they redefine what "high" means, which of course they will: fuck them. Surely nobody is stupid enough to believe this, but fuck them for thinking we are. Fuck them double, and fuck me too, if they turn out to be right about how stupid we are, which they probably will: fuck everything.

    reducing regulatory barriers and supporting Net neutrality rules, [which ban internet providers from blocking or slowing content.]

    Replacing regulatory barriers, maybe, with new barriers that favor incumbent tech companies and make things even more difficult for new entrants to the marketplace. Actually, it's more likely that they'll just partially replace the old barriers, and even those few of the new regs that were intended to be a sop to the good-intentioned will turn out to have cancerous side-effects, because that's how regulation works.

    It proposes investments in computer science and engineering education ("engage the private sector and nonprofits to train up to 50,000 computer science teachers in the next decade")

    Translation: Schools will be coerced into prioritizing idiotic programming classes that are incompetently taught. And funding will be cut somewhere else, likely in math and science budgets, because hey, this introductory class in the latest illiterate Drag-N-Drop Programming Language means we're covered for STEM now.

    expansion of 5G mobile data

    I... guess? Wasn't this going to happen anyway?

    making inexpensive Wi-Fi available at more airports and train stations

    Short of draconian price controls, airports and... seriously, train stations?... will continue charge whatever the market will bear, which is frankly already unbearable, and will likely slowly get worse until the next oil crisis, when it will get worse more quickly.

    and attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees.

    Aha! Now we see the actual purpose of the bill: more H1Bs. The rest of it is just cover.

    1. Re:almost makes we want to vote for the shaved ape by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      An H-1B isn't a green card - far from it. A green card lacks the restrictions and limitations of an H-1B. Now, you might think "doesn't that make it worse, then?" - but you would be incorrect. If I'm working in the US on an H-1B Visa, I'm largely tied to my current job, and thereby my employer. If I'm fired, I have 30 days to find a new job or I get kicked out of the country. If I want to quit, it's possible to get the Visa transferred to a new employer, but it makes things an order of magnitude more difficult to switch jobs than it would be if I wasn't an H-1B.
      This means that when my boss starts pressing me to work extra hours without reporting it, to come in on Saturday, or to ignore the illegal shit they're doing, or things like that, they've got a lot more leverage over me than they would over a regular employee.
      By contrast, someone with a green card competes on a normal even playing field with everyone else, and is free to accept or reject job offers, get poached for a better salary, or to give the finger and quit, just like everyone else.

  45. More failed tech policy from the Clintons by zerofoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Telecommunications Act of 1996 enabled the biggest telecom theft of public dollars in history:

    http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pu...

    Essentially, we gave $200 Billion to the telecoms in exchange for fiber connectivity to every residence and business in America. The telecoms took the $200 Billion and gave us - nothing.

    Guess who signed the Telecommunications Act? Yep, Hillary's husband - Bill Clinton.

    Why should we believe that Clinton 45 will be any better at tech policy than Clinton 42?

    1. Re:More failed tech policy from the Clintons by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure you can lay the blame solely on Bill Clinton for signing that. The idea itself was fine - the problem was that nobody held them to that promise, nor punished them for failing to live up to it. That's partly on Clinton, but partly on Congress, and on Clinton's successor, and also on all the rest of the voting public for apparently forgetting all about it, or not caring enough to make a big deal out of it.

    2. Re:More failed tech policy from the Clintons by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      That's partly on Clinton

      Um know that is mostly on Clinton, its the executives jobs to make sure that the laws are implemented and enforced. Clinton should have been saying "show me the fiber" or show our federal prosecutors and a court how you are otherwise complying with the law.

      He did not do that.

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    3. Re:More failed tech policy from the Clintons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess who signed the Telecommunications Act? Yep, Hillary's husband - Bill Clinton.

      Lest somebody get the idea that this was some sort of Liberal or Democrat boondoggle, let's remember that the act was authored by none other than Republican Senator Larry Pressler, featured several Republican amendments that loosened requirements on the telecom companies, and only two Republican Senators voted against it.

    4. Re:More failed tech policy from the Clintons by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the commodity futures modernization act or whatever it was called, which caused oil to rise in price meteorically. Now before the Democrat apologists start in that the 'pubs forced it, he signed it in the last few days of his presidency when it didn't freaking matter anymore. He did this because he is NO FRIEND of the American people. And neither is she.

    5. Re:More failed tech policy from the Clintons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought this seemed familiar. That's why. It is the 1997 telecom bill again.

    6. Re:More failed tech policy from the Clintons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Civics fail, Congress didn't pass a law, it gave money to the telcos, the President of any era had no power to take them to task. It would have been congress's job to provide oversight in how the money was being spent which they failed to do. The only thing Clinton could have done was veto the bill which he wouldn't have had cause to do at the time.

    7. Re:More failed tech policy from the Clintons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A tax credit isn't giving anything to anyone. The US Treasury did not open it's doors and let the telcos TAKE money from them. Private investors paid for that fiber and most of them took a bath on it when the bubble collapsed.

  46. Meanwhile, Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cleverly innoculates himself against those bringing up his long record of cheating customers, stiffing suppliers, outsourcing product fabrication to China, giving hiring preference to foreigners, not paying any taxes, declaring bankruptcy over and over again, etc.

    You're right, I used to be one of them. But now, I'm with you and I'm you're champion!

  47. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by evilRhino · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's definitely true that some of the Clinton policies did directly contribute to the crash of 2008, chief among these being the tax incentives for executive pay that drove unprecedented income inequality, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, NAFTA, etc. The response from the GOP hasn't exactly been a reversal of these policies. If anything, they were extended and pushed forward. Policies favoring large companies resulted in consolidation and profit/expense min-maxing, not investment or job growth.

  48. tl;dr: Clinton hates Americans, loves foreigners. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Since she's for more guest worker fraud, she's against her own country.

    Then again, she's one of the globalists.

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  49. Well... by EmeraldBot · · Score: 1

    This actually doesn't look so bad to me, it's surprisingly sane, actually. The US is pretty reliant on only a few major industries for exporting, mainly entertainment and food. They're farther ahead then any other country when it comes to the size of their tech industry, so I think we should be focusing on ensuring that the country doesn't needlessly fall behind, especially with people becoming seriously concerned about the state of our privacy laws. Investing and growing it is a smart move, and I don't oppose the green card idea if we require foreigners to graduate with a degree from an American university (or other accredited source). If they did all the work an American would do and passed the same classes, and they stuck around long enough to complete it (which is usually around 4 years for a college degree), I absolutely don't see why we don't give them a green card. She recognizes how important tech is, and although I don't agree with all her policies, she's definitely got the right idea here.

    The major concern with her internet policy is that she implicitly supports the bulk data collection. She is leagues and leagues ahead of Donald Trump, who has advocated for cutting America's internet off from the rest of the world and would almost certainly outlaw encryption of any kind, but she's far inferior to Bernie Sanders who favors privacy much more. Factoring this into account, I can live with her policys, but it's frustrating for us all that very few politicians seem to grasp what this means or that is actually weakens security, because now we have to automate sorting through it all on account of how big the data is and machines are so laughably bad compared to people at spotting this sort of thing.

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    1. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please see https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9309165&cid=52412639. All she's saying is 'let's give the cable/telecom cos more free money, and attract more foreign students (which presupposes that there is a shortage of capable US-born citizens, when the issue is much more likely one of '... who can afford getting this education' -- which is a problem with a rather different solution.

  50. Re: Theodp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all get old but we need to think of the younger generation too. Stop being so selfish

  51. Clinton has nothing to do with the economy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Presidents have very little control over our economy.

    The 90s were because of tremendous tech innovations and Greenspan's head being filled with Ayn Rand's religion and keeping monetary policy loosie goosie.

    1. Re:Clinton has nothing to do with the economy. by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Presidents have very little control over our economy.

      Indeed, I don't know why people keep perpetuating the lie that presidents have such huge economic influence. It's probably because the candidates campaign on these empty promises, "Vote for me, I'll make all your economic dreams come true!" Truly the most power they have is veto, and they are heavily pressured to not delay a budget which has made it through both houses of Congress.

      Congress has much more influence over the economy. Go look up which party was in control of Congress during each recession. I've already done it for the 13 recessions since the Great Depression: Democrats controlled both houses 11 times, Republicans 2 times.

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    2. Re:Clinton has nothing to do with the economy. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The President is the effective head of the bureaucracy, which has the power to abuse its enemies. Prominent examples include the IRS refusal to grant tax exempt status to tea party groups while fast-tracking leftist activist groups, and Obama's promise to destroy the coal industry.

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    3. Re:Clinton has nothing to do with the economy. by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Then again, Clinton did raise the top marginal tax rate - which helped the boom produce that surplus. Bush took the surplus as a talking point to justivy the tax rate being lowered - and the capital gains and dividend rates lowered even more drastically. From Gore's rhetoric in 2000, it was pretty clear that he at least understood that the surplus was caused by an unsustainable boom (the infamous 'lockbox', etc). Bush (and Greenspan as his enabler) used the bogus surplus to rationalize their agendas - and pretty much guaranteed deficits from then on, boom or bust. Obama undid some, but not enough, of that damage, but Trump wants to double down on the tax cutting agenda.

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    4. Re:Clinton has nothing to do with the economy. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 1

      Presidents don't raise or lower taxes.

    5. Re:Clinton has nothing to do with the economy. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I don't know why people keep perpetuating the lie that presidents have such huge economic influence. It's probably because the candidates campaign on these empty promises, "Vote for me, I'll make all your economic dreams come true!" Truly the most power they have is veto, and they are heavily pressured to not delay a budget which has made it through both houses of Congress.

      For the most part, the President's power over the economy is overrated. But they can have extremely wide-ranging effects. If we had almost any other president than GWB, we wouldn't have invaded Iraq and that was an ENORMOUS expense. Couple that with the money pumped into Afghanistan that had to be spent because of the Iraq distraction, and you have a huge bundle of cash sucked out of the US economy.

      You can also make the argument that an entire-half-assed approach to Syria and Iraq led to the rise of ISIS. In the long run, how much will that cost?

  52. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    Make it absolutely clear in the manifesto what is a promise - ie we WILL do it (short of a nuclear war or similar disaster) - and what we a hope to do if finances/time/law permits.

  53. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    I think that would be fine. As long as you can show that you made a bona fide effort to do the things that your campaign promised, or that circumstances changed significantly such that a change of mind might be understandable, then you should get off. If, on the other hand, from day 1 you start doing the opposite of what you promised then that should be grounds for a prosecution for fraud (and would catch a lot of politicians).

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  54. Or, in other words by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 3, Informative

    Clinton doesn't actually have a "tech plan". She was given one by her wealthy Silicon Valley donors. This is a woman who doesn't know how to use a fax machine, the idea that she even remotely understands net neutrality is a joke.

    1. Re:Or, in other words by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      This is a woman who doesn't know how to use a fax machine, the idea that she even remotely understands net neutrality is a joke.

      When did using a FAX machine ever become a job requirement?

      I had a FAX machine between 2005 and 2010 when I got into IT contract work. HR would fax the contract, I would sign it and get my I-9 notarized, and faxed the documents back. These days I can print out from computer, sign the documents, scan into computer, and send documents back via email. Heck, I sometimes use a digital signature for some of this stuff.

      BTW, Donald Trump reportedly doesn't use a computer and has two rotatory telephones on his desk. He probably doesn't know how to use a FAX machine.

    2. Re:Or, in other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      two rotatory telephones

      So he's locked up the hipster vote.

    3. Re:Or, in other words by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      two rotatory telephones

      So he's locked up the hipster vote.

      Hipsters love crusty old things.

    4. Re:Or, in other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know that fax isn't an abbreviation... right?

    5. Re:Or, in other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to miss the point there...

    6. Re:Or, in other words by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      This is a woman who doesn't know how to use a fax machine, the idea that she even remotely understands net neutrality is a joke.

      When did using a FAX machine ever become a job requirement?

      I'm responding in case you're not shilling. We know about this because of an email exchange where Hillary is trying to receive a fax and can't because she doesn't know how to work the fax machine. So it actually *was* a requirement and she flubbed it.

      And the whole "but, but, Donald Trump is stupider" response just comes across as pathetic, FYI.

    7. Re:Or, in other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pro-tip: Really busy, important people have their assistants do all that work for them.

      That's the really confusing part about Hillary's mail server. If she didn't like checking mail herself, she should have just had her assistant do it for her. It would have solved all her problems.

  55. Yeah. Let's talk DELIVERY. by Chas · · Score: 1

    Seriously.

    Every politician on the hunt for a job has a slick, sexy "action plan" designed to grab a given constituency by the short and curlies and make them want to vote for that person.

    The problem is, after the election is over and the candidate is firmly ensconced within their comfy office, said action plan and the promises contained within are forgotten faster than the name of a partner at a drunken one night stand...

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  56. Some regulation is more equal than others by mi · · Score: 1

    reducing regulatory barriers and supporting Net neutrality rules

    Net neutrality — whether you like it or not — can only be achieved by a regulatory barrier. The government is telling owners of cables, routers and switches, what they can and can not do with their own equipment and data passing through it.

    Clearly, some regulation is more equal than others and Hillary Clinton is, once again, talking from multiple sides of her very experienced mouth.

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    1. Re:Some regulation is more equal than others by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      It's not a binary question though - we're not forced to choose between "All regulation is good" or "All regulation is bad." We can choose to set an appropriate level, and degree. Like anything, it's a tool, and it can be used for good or for ill. Some regulations are good and some are bad - I'm not sure why this is difficult to understand.

      For instance, Net Neutrality isn't telling them in exacting detail how to manage their network, specifying that they have to use this kind of switch but not that kind, or that they have to use specific government approved connectors or things like that. It's merely saying "your role is to pass traffic along, and you can't abuse that by charging extra or degrading service based on whose traffic it is". That's a regulation that encourages competition in the provision of services over the internet.

      On the other hand, we could certainly do with removing regulations that serve solely as a barrier to competition or entry, such as those in the ISP market, which is desperately in need of real competition. If anything, my complaint with her 'plan' is that she doesn't really address this, but then, the politicians that you would think should be championing free market mechanisms are instead too busy trying to defend monopolistic rent-seeking behavior.

    2. Re:Some regulation is more equal than others by mi · · Score: 1

      It's not a binary question though - we're not forced to choose between "All regulation is good" or "All regulation is bad."

      Unfortunately, with the Democrats — the Party of Government — the regulations are your only choice. Thousands new ones are added every year.

      Maybe, Hillary will add fewer than Obama's record-setting 21,000, but her numbers will, no doubt, be comparable.

      For instance, Net Neutrality isn't telling them in exacting detail how to manage their network

      I said nothing about "exacting detail". But vagueness is often worse than that...

      you can't abuse that by charging extra or degrading service based on whose traffic it is

      How is that different, in principle, from telling you, you can not block certain callers (such as those exercising their First Amendment rights to pitch their services to you) on your telephone? How is it different from prohibiting you to install AdBlock on your dad's computer? It also blocks data based on whose it is — and that phone/computer is yours is, according to you, no defense...

      What's good for the goose, is good for chicken — always test whatever regulation you'd like imposed on others on yourself first...

      we could certainly do with removing regulations that serve solely as a barrier to competition or entry, such as those in the ISP market

      Translation: such as those you are aware of. What makes you think, the ISP market is somehow unique in its amount of suspect regulations?

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    3. Re:Some regulation is more equal than others by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      It's always a slippery slope, isn't it? "But what happens next? What aren't they telling you? More regulations! Scary!"

      Sorry, I'm not buying it - not when the alternative is so patently insane. I'm being asked to choose between there -maybe- being something scary in a new regulation that's coming down the line, versus the abuses that I'm already seeing from Comcast et al? It's not even close.

      I realize that for you this may seem antithetical, but the Republican party has become so absolutely knee-jerk dogmatic that I can't take them seriously as a responsible governing party. We're not hearing what they suggest should be done to fix the complete lack of competition in the ISP market. Instead, we simply get a complete BS line about why "Free Market" principles mean letting Comcast/AT&T/etc do whatever the hell they want (even to the point of using de-facto monopoly status to strangle any semblance of an actual market into a rent-seeking cash cow). And this is just one example of many where they've decided that it's easier to pretend the problem doesn't exist than to propose solutions. They've stopped caring about having a good government that takes care of the needs of its citizens, and addresses the problems that we as a country face.

    4. Re:Some regulation is more equal than others by mi · · Score: 1

      versus the abuses that I'm already seeing from Comcast et al?

      Comcast is in business for some decades now — and people have been complaining about its "abuses" for just as long. Maybe, that's because its CEO plays golf with the President — and is unlikely to suffer much from President-appointed FCC commissioners.

      Or, maybe, because monopolies will always find a way of convincing the regulator, their ways and practices are "reasonable" — and TFA describes just such a case.

      Monopolies suck and the regulations help the incumbents fend off challengers...

      the Republican party has become so absolutely knee-jerk dogmatic

      Yeah? Try mocking "gay marriage" in the presence of Democrats...

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  57. From specialization to commoditization by jenningsthecat · · Score: 0

    FTS: "train up to 50,000 computer science teachers in the next decade" and "attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees".

    As Syndrome said in 'The Incredibles', "when everyone's super, no one will be". This is where labour markets inevitably end up, with lots of qualified and essentially interchangeable people driving down salaries. Silicon Valley is simply speeding up the process via their Hillary sock puppet.

    I wonder if they've given any thought to what it will be like negotiating with a large, strong, unionized labour force. I also wonder why they're doing this when AI and automation seem poised to make redundant so many of the positions they're trying to create candidates for.

    It also strikes me that we may be headed for the kind of extreme class stratification exemplified by India's caste system.

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  58. Re:DOESN'T ADDRESS THE REAL ISSUE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, but you ignore the competition.

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  59. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm probably voting for Trump because I'm genuinely worried about his opponent (and her experience to actually get what she is saying done) and he pretty much has a snowball's chance in hell of doing anything he has promised on the campaign trail.

  60. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by WindBourne · · Score: 0

    Clinton dropped the deficit all 8 years, which was 2 years of Dems. Otoh, W and the GOP ran massive deficits and destroyed the economy all 6 years .

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  61. Re:tl;dr: Clinton hates Americans, loves foreigner by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

    A Green Card isn't a guest worker, though.

    It's a permanent resident status, meaning there's nothing "Guest" about it. If you think that immigration is bad, then that's a bad thing, but if your concern is about temporary status workers being taken advantage of, to the detriment of normal workers (as well as themselves), then, giving permanent (no strings) status instead is a vast improvement.

  62. social program, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " It calls for connecting every U.S. household to high-speed internet by 2020"

    That's not a tech strategy, it's a social program. I suppose Hillary feels everyone has the right to have facebook and watch porn.

  63. STEM+f issue likely to be superceded by events by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    I suspect the who's-in-STEM-or-not issue will be a non-issue very shortly, as education planning, execution and employment cycles go. LDNLS systems will be doing serious design and software generation fairly soon. I think it's entirely possible that people currently in the educational system who are on, or plan to follow, STEM paths will find themselves coming out of school with the employability-equivalent of buggy-whip manufacturing skills.

    That's without actual intelligence emerging. With it... same thing, but with social chaos as an added attraction.

    Honestly, right now, the elephant in the room is the social safety net. We need to prepare something like basic income. If we don't get that set up and ready to go, socially speaking, I'm just about certain the sky is going to fall on us. Sure, it'll be fast-food workers and various pro drivers who become unemployed first, but there's no reason for it to stop there. Software generation is an extremely likely area for LDNLS to step into in a huge way. Chip design too. System design not too much longer after that, and that's going to put a very serious dent in the STEM job market.

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  64. Why start believing her now? by wardrich86 · · Score: 2

    She's lied about everything else... who the fuck would trust her on this? It's just a dangling carrot that, and she'll probably end up eating it herself if she gets in.

  65. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by msauve · · Score: 1

    "All we have to do is stop reelecting them. Is that so difficult?"

    With the choices we're given, apparently it is.

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  66. Re:DOESN'T ADDRESS THE REAL ISSUE by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    Our universities put lots of women through STEM majors. But when they graduate they go back to China, where they can build big things.

  67. Doesn't matter - she's gonna lose by boudie2 · · Score: 1

    People would rather watch The Donald Show than The Hillary Show. That's what it's come down to.

  68. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    We make the choices. We don't have to take what is "given".

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  69. Re: Turkey airport attack by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Or, it's because it's offtopic, and offtopic is a -1 mod.

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  70. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by msauve · · Score: 1

    How naive.

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  71. Re:Theodp by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Best way to not be replaced by a young person with a fresher skill set? Don't let yours get stale.

    If the skill set is equal, experience wins every time in fair hiring practices.

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  72. Re: The moon on a stick might as well be in the pl by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    To be fair, the State of New York voted for her to be a Senator twice. Once as a carpet bagger in 2000, and again in 2006.

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  73. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could you separate that apostrophe from the possessive pronoun? The aftermath is that you wrote "separate from it is aftermath"

  74. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that would be fine. As long as you can show that you made a bona fide effort to do the things that your campaign promised, or that circumstances changed significantly such that a change of mind might be understandable, then you should get off.

    You're a bit short-sighted there. They could argue that they only promised (like I already said) to submit the bills for debate on the floor, rather than implement them, or that any number of things changed to make it different.

    If, on the other hand, from day 1 you start doing the opposite of what you promised then that should be grounds for a prosecution for fraud (and would catch a lot of politicians).

    Yeah, good luck with that one. Look, if you want to get politicians out of office, support a Recall Initiative if you wish, but criminal prosecutions for not doing what you expect, that's just opening a door to nowhere.

  75. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    What, is somebody putting a gun to your head, telling you who to vote for? Sounds to me like you're just to lazy to make the effort and just want to blame everybody else for your own bad choices.

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  76. Green Cards by EndlessNameless · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Clinton... wants the U.S. to "staple" green cards on the diplomas of STEM... masters and PhD graduates

    Good. We need to balance out the culture of ignorance that is developing in this country. The people who mock learning and expertise aren't moving the country forward now, and they never will.

    Plus, if these people have real green cards, they cannot be abused and underpaid the same way H1Bs are. That should stabilize the labor market a bit, especially if the program ultimately leads to a reduction in H1B issuance.

    If American citizens have no interest in education, go ahead and allow *real* immigration. As long as the immigrants integrate culturally, the country will come out stronger like it always has.

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  77. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whether a good thing or a bad thing I think there is plenty of case history that sets libel as being something not covered by the First Amendment. While libel is by definition telling lies about another person it wouldn't be much of a stretch to extend that concept to a lying to other people about ones own intentions to illicit a desired outcome (being voted into/maintaining office). This is already a crime in several forms, such as lying to the FBI to avoid prosecution of yourself or another (in theory, in practice lying itself is used as a crime much like "resisting arrest" with no reasoning for an arrest) or falsifying financial reports to make your companies outlook more appealing to investors. The problem is it will never happen, as was demonstrated recently (McDonnell vs US) the government has no intention on reigning in corruption no matter how egregious. Actions which would get your average person thrown into jail without question generally get well carved out exceptions, either via legislation or court decisions, for those with influence.

  78. Only the Hillary fan club cares by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    Seriously.

    As there isn't any accountability for campaign promises, why would anyone ( who has lived through more than one election ) give any candidates promises any credibility at all ?

    I put her promises in the same category as Trump.
    ( or any candidate for that matter )

    Lots of fluffy talk tailored to whatever group they're trying to snuggle up to, never any follow-through and no consequences.

  79. Re:DOESN'T ADDRESS THE REAL ISSUE by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Our universities put lots of women through STEM majors. But when they graduate they go back to China, where they can build big things.

    Or they don't give us many employment options outside of 'mad scientist,' 'evil overlord,' and 'teacher.' I'm currently teaching but I'm starting to think finding a project whose goal is to cause world peace (by killing everybody) may be more moral.

  80. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    I think that's perfectly legit though - they brought up the things they said they would in the "Contract" in the first 100 (or so) days of that Congress. If the votes weren't there, the votes weren't there - anyone promising to pass legislation in a campaign is lying to you.

    There are so many things that can derail a piece of legislation that it's amazing anything ever passes. People that hold a grudge hang poison pill amendments on it. The opposition party will try to amend it to nullify key points of it. Spending bills are like Christmas trees where everyone wants to hang their favorite ornament on it, ballooning the total to the point where the deficit hawks vote against it. And then there's just the regular partisan rancor, and the generally uneasy relationship between House and Senate where things get completely twisted in the other chamber, and have to get sorted out in a conference committee, and usually come out with the same name on the bill, but completely different substance.

    If 'pro' is the opposite of 'con' then Congress is the opposite of Progress.

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  81. Promises are bought from Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She's not changing her tune for the audience, she's doing exactly what her funders are asking her to do. She is so bought and sold that only the NY Times could consider her a "good candidate" for anything other than a history lesson on corruption.

  82. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    As it turns out, yes, that is difficult. When it comes to the Congress, everyone seems to think it is all the other Congressmen and Senators that are the problem - my representative / senator is awesome! It's the other 434 representatives / 98 senators that need to be shown the door!

    Plus, when someone has been sent to Congress from a district / state two or three times in a row, it's hard to find anyone with a pulse to run against them, so you get weak shit candidates that can't hold a coherent message through the campaign, or some retread hack that already lost his position at the government trough and wants to try again against a seasoned sitting politician that tears them to pieces.

    Thus the massively overwhelming statistics on incumbent re-election.

    Example: Senate seat re-election in Ohio, where you have a sitting senator (Rob Portman-R) running against a guy who roundly lost his bid on re-elect as Governor to John Kasich (Ted Strickland). There's been practically zero campaining done by the sitting Senator, and Strickland has nothing to do BUT campaign, and every poll still has him down by one point, where he was up by as much as 9 in the spring. At the rate of this slide, he'll lose this thing 70/30 in November.

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  83. Keep the economic benefits here by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We already discourage students from pursuing STEM degrees by allowing companies like Facebook and Microsoft to import cheap labor in the form of H1-B visas

    You do realize that there is a LOT more to STEM fields than working for large IT firms right? I have an engineering degree and I work in manufacturing. (and manufacturing in the US is alive and well in spite of claims to the contrary) Most scientists, engineers and mathematicians don't work in Silicon Valley or Seattle. H1B visas are simply Not A Thing among engineers in my industry. They just aren't. I'm not saying they aren't a problem (they are) but they aren't as wide spread or severe a problem as is sometimes claimed. Frankly H1B visas are kind of small potatoes in the challenges presented by global competition.

    are we now to add a further disincentive by saying that anybody who can slither under the wire to get accepted to a U.S. university (and graduate) is now your permanent competition inside the United States?

    If they work here in the US under a Green Card they aren't going to be paid H1B wages. The company can't deport them and the worker has basically the same rights as a US citizen. Furthermore they are your competition whether or not they are here in the US. Plenty of software and technology is developed outside the US and they don't stop being smart, talented people just because they don't work inside the US. It's actually to your benefit to have as much talent here in the US doing useful things as possible. If they go elsewhere much of their economic benefit goes with them. If there are a lot of smart talented people here then the pool of jobs here grows. If they go elsewhere then they don't create value here and there ends up being fewer jobs. America is a country of immigrants. We only hurt ourselves when we forget that fact.

    Policies like this are why the idiots in Britain voted to shoot their country (and themselves, directly) in the foot with a "Brexit" vote--because of the perception that their government serves "outsiders" ahead of them.

    Spare me. Many British voters voted for Brexit in large part because of racism and xenophobia. And frankly given Britian's colonial past them complaining about outsiders is hugely ironic. It wasn't that long ago that Britain was a large empire based on screwing over foreigners in places like India.

  84. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by msauve · · Score: 1

    I often vote for minor party candidates, and less often "write in." But in the real word, with all the built-in bias toward the two party system and which you're naively unfamiliar with, there's no chance of them winning.

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  85. All Lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in my 6th decade now, and have heard many empty "promises" by Presidential Candidates.

    I'm certain that less then 10% of them will actually be implemented, if that much.

    And I have little doubt that that of all the things Clinton says she'll do, using her own personal email server will be at the top of the list.

    Were doomed to live in a complete surveillance state.

    Shes a shill, just like Trump.

  86. Short sighted protectionism by sjbe · · Score: 0

    Explain to me exactly how it benefits you that foreign students should come and take up a slot in one of our universities and then take up a slot in one of our high-paying jobs?

    First off, the number of slots in universities and the number of high paying jobs is not fixed. The more smart people we have here the more value they create and the number of jobs actually grows. Apparently you've forgotten that America is actually a country of immigrants. Just 3 generations ago my family members came to this country and you know what? It works out fine. They worked hard, created value and the size of the economic pie grew. We forget that fact at our peril. China and India have 4 people to every one of ours and they are just as smart as we are. We NEED those smart people over here if we want to remain competitive and relevant.

    It there is no benefit to you over a US citizen taking up those slots.

    First off you are wrong that they are taking a slot away from an American. Second it is very beneficial to me having smart people here creating technology, building businesses, growing our economy. I don't give a crap where they were born. I care what they do while they are here.

    So why are you advocating something that's not in your interest?

    I'm not. I actually understand what is in my interest. Especially the fact that country of birth has zero relevance to the discussion. If you try to protect what you have by keeping smart people who are willing to work here out you are just cutting your own throat in the long run. I want the smartest, most ambitious, most talented, most hard working people to be here in the US. That will hugely benefit both you and me. Keep them out at your own peril.

    1. Re:Short sighted protectionism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, I have no problem with green cards. What we really need is a way to encourage the slackers in our country to relocate somewhere else.

    2. Re:Short sighted protectionism by axewolf · · Score: 1

      "the number of slots in universities and the number of high paying jobs is not fixed"
      Oh....wow.........
      Both are fixed by a certain demand. Supply and demand. Adding supply reduces demand. 1+1=2. Get it?

      "America is actually a country of immigrants"
      "the smartest, most ambitious, most talented, most hard working people"
      "They worked hard, created value and the size of the economic pie grew"
      Wow you parrotting drone, do you think? What exactly did I say that convinced you that I forgot these gigantic fundamental underlying fact? Of course nothing, you just can't wait for a chance to spew the propaganda that's been burned into your brain-mush.

      "First off" x2

      "you are wrong that they are taking a slot away from an American"
      Foreigner has the job. American does not have the job. American cannot have the job because the foreigner has the job. What am I missing here? A lifetime of brainwashing that retardifies me into selectively applying a "1+1=2" level of logic?

      Okay now that we've addressed all the mental diarrhea you've expressed, can you answer the question?
      Here it is again:

      Can you explain to me exactly how it benefits you that foreign students should come and take up a slot in one of our universities and then take up a slot in one of our high-paying jobs?
      (HOW DOES IT BENEFIT YOU?)
      (WHY ARE YOU ADVOCATING?)

      It's in the interest of the common people for the country to invest in educating its own people to meet the demand for all of the jobs in the country.
      It's in the interest of the jetsetting international business owners to scour the globe to import whatever talent can get their tasks done immediately.

    3. Re:Short sighted protectionism by jp_832 · · Score: 0

      Second it is very beneficial to me having smart people here creating technology, building businesses, growing our economy. I don't give a crap where they were born. I care what they do while they are here.

      Look at immigration between 2000 and now. If you look at the relevant statistics of employment-population ratio, the number of legal immigrants in that period (around 16.4 million), and the number of jobs those legal immigrants have created (about 5.8 million), you will find that on net given the increase in population, either 10 million native-born Americans have lost their jobs to legal immigrant labor, or over two-thirds of legal immigrants are on welfare.

    4. Re:Short sighted protectionism by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      "We NEED those smart people over here if we want to remain competitive and relevant."

      A lot of the people who set off bombs and go on mass shootings are diploma smart. Many of them hold advanced engineering degrees.

      And remember most acts of terror are perpetrated by people who are either from overseas or travel there or have many contacts there.

    5. Re: Short sighted protectionism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, fuck those Columbine Arabians!

    6. Re:Short sighted protectionism by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      LMOL yeah in fantasy land. Pray tell how many jobs are being created when Disney hired H1B Visa holders after firing a couple hundred employees. When Microsoft fired 27,000?

      You seem to suggest that there aren't smart people here or that Americans can't be trained or that there's a shortage of skilled workers (hint: there isn't a shortage).

      Troll.

    7. Re:Short sighted protectionism by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The H-1B program is being abused badly there. If any US worker has to train an H-1B replacement before being involuntarily separated, the program is being abused.

      If one program is abused, with bad results, it doesn't mean a vaguely similar program will not have good results.

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  87. Re:Theodp by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    Actually I support Clinton's green card program because I'm worried other countries will "catch up" to the U.S. and become the major centers of innovation in the global economy, which would cause the aggregate standard of living in the U.S. to decrease. The U.S. currently benefits from "reverse brain drain". That is, more smart/productive people immigrate to the U.S. than emigrate from the U.S. If that trend ever reverses then the U.S. is well and truly screwed.

  88. Only national accreditation or also regional? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Accreditation has already been heavily compromised in order to suck up student loan money.

    Is this only true of national accrediting agencies, such as the infamous ACICS (which the Department of Education will likely shut down), or also true of the regional accrediting agencies that oversee traditional universities?

  89. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How else is she going to pay back Facebook and Google for all of their campaign assistance? This is how politics works folks.

  90. Clinton 42 record by dmahurin · · Score: 1

    Assuming Hilary shares views with Bill, she will likely continue the trend of extending copyrights to infinity, which will adversely affect innovation.

    Clinton 42, Signed the following into law:
    Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) (1998)
    Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998
    Uruguay Round Agreements Act (URAA) (1994)

     

  91. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    There is no bogeyman. The two party system is the voters choice. They are the "built in bias", and only they can fix it. It is strictly personal.

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  92. Hillary will say anything to get elected by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have talked to Hillary supporters who have said without any embarrassment: "Of course, she can't keep those promises and she has to lie. But it's vitally important that she get elected and she has to say things because American voters are stupid and she wouldn't get elected otherwise. Once she has been elected, she will just do what's good for the country."

    1. Re:Hillary will say anything to get elected by wyHunter · · Score: 2

      There you have it. The leftist way.

    2. Re:Hillary will say anything to get elected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump supporters (or pseudo-supporters like Scott Adams) say pretty much the same thing.

      Yay us.

    3. Re:Hillary will say anything to get elected by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      I was discussing with someone online about her changing what she supports based on popular support. The person I was discussing with said that this showed someone who was "politically savvy".

      I responded that someone who is that "politically savvy" would support interment camps if the public was scared enough. While I want my President or Representative to at listen to my concerns and, ideally, act on them, I don't want someone who outright kowtows to public opinion because, unfortunately, public opinion is too often wrong. Pretty much every bad policy or action this country has taken had public support at some point.

  93. Re: The moon on a stick might as well be in the pl by Agripa · · Score: 1

    Great, so she was elected by the people who brought us 9/11. Twice.

  94. WOW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If network news isn't bad enough for its not so subtle bias, the fact that this is even masquerading as news is repulsive.

  95. Representing constituents by tepples · · Score: 1, Insightful

    She didn't support it, until it turned out that a lot of voters supported it, so in 2013 she changed her position and supported it. It speaks to principles. Hers are "say what's popular."

    In government by the people and for the people, since when is listening to the constituents that you represent a bad idea in general?

    1. Re:Representing constituents by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Note that I never said it was an issue for her, I was just answering the question from the OP.

      She didn't support it, until it turned out that a lot of voters supported it, so in 2013 she changed her position and supported it. It speaks to principles. Hers are "say what's popular."

      In government by the people and for the people, since when is listening to the constituents that you represent a bad idea in general?

      Well, it's a bad idea for a politician because you open yourself to attacks from your opponents calling you a "flip-flopper". Other than that, it really shouldn't be. In most circumstances. Civil rights issues kind of present a special case, though, and there were certainly plenty of politicians in the 18th and 19th centuries who stood in opposition to slavery even when voter opinion was not on their side - out of principle.

      I really don't think there is anything wrong with Hillary's position on this issue, or the change. Before 2013, she pretty much always supported "civil unions" that granted all the same government / government supported rights to same-sex couples as marriage did. And, of course, same-sex couples could always "get married" even if it was not universally recognized. That could have been workable but there was too much opposition to even that sort of compromise. As public opinion changed and courts started taking sides on the issue, it became something that had to be resolved at the Federal level (due to the "Full faith and credit" clause of the Constitution). So Clinton really had to evolve her rhetoric on the issue.

      The whole thing never would have been an issue if the government wasn't intent on being so involved in peoples' lives (and relationships). The marriage certificate was only created in the first place to keep the whites and black from mixing.

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    2. Re:Representing constituents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, as long as she DOES what's popular on top of SAYING what's popular, it's really not all that bad. She could be a blood-sucking satanist lizard person, but as long as she acurrately represented the will of the people, I'd be down for that.

      But I'd keep an awfully close eye on her interaction with the blood banks and any attempt at cloning dinosaurs.

    3. Re:Representing constituents by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I like my leaders to lead, not follow, when it comes to rights issues.

      This is the difference between these shills we have today, and the leaders of time past - they were willing to take a stand on important issues and let the country come around to them, rather than commission polls and focus groups to figure out what applause line and talking point is the most effective at pulling in donations.

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  96. How about a job by rfengr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about attaching a JOB to diplomas of US CITIZENS who obtain STEM degrees?

  97. US universities will game this if it happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How may people here know of an MS program in computer science that was used as a revenue stream for a university, mainly milking parents of kids from Asia who could cough up $40,000/year? At Syracuse University, there was exactly one professor that actively looked for cheating, and despite the fact he had this reputation, he caught a huge portion of his students blatantly copying code. There wasn't much learning happening in the program. Nobody else gave a fuck. Administration didn't give a fuck - they got their money. Now I'm sure they're thinking: Ooo, if the government staples green cards to these bullshit degrees we issue, we should be charging $55,000/year! And this was Syracuse University, a place that has many totally legit programs and no trouble with accreditation. I'd hate to see the standards at worse universities with MS programs in CS.

  98. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by msauve · · Score: 1

    No, the two party system is ingrained in the US legal and media systems. It was created by the parties to keep other parties from entering. It's deliberately set up as a Catch-22. To be on the ballot, you must have gotten X votes on the previous ballot. Not a single "third party" is qualified to be on the ballot in all states. The Libertarian Party is the largest, and only has ballot access in 33 states. (I'm talking about overall party qualification, not individual contest qualification - the Libertarians will likely be on the presidential ballot in all 50 states). Along with that is an intentional absence of media coverage. The last third party candidate in a presidential debate was Ross Perot in 1992. That's not the "voter's choice," it's a rigged system.

    And the single vote system enforces that. A ranked voting system would help to level the field for minor party candidates, so the major parties will never allow it to happen. They like to tell people a vote for a minor candidate is a vote thrown away.

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  99. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

    Bush 43 did a bad job economically, but the 2008 crash was entirely the fault of a Democratic Congress, which rejected all attempts to end frivolous lending. Do some reading about that human turd, Barney Frank.

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  100. Stapling green cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm concerned that this Clinton proposal will create small but irreparable holes in the diploma parchment. Couldn't we use a paper clip, or stuff them both in the same envelope or something?

  101. SMTP research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure her biggest change will be to SMTP research for the case of transmission and reception of digitally encoded messages (sometimes known as e-mail). In particular with respect to the management of an independent system for such transmission and reception despite the legality of such system.

    There: That could be the start of Hillary's first patent. You can't trust anything this tool says. Or any politician for that matter.

  102. Computer Science Teachers - No CS Degrees Allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few years ago I looked into becoming a CS teacher. I'm a software developer and have a BS in Computer Science, so I figured I would have to get a teaching certificate and a Master's in Education to meet the requirements.

    But in my state (NY), CS isn't one of the majors that fulfills the prerequisite for pursuing a teaching certificate. Same goes for engineering majors.

    These are the only "allowed" majors for NY teachers:
            Arts: Art History, Dance, Music, Theatre, Visual Arts
            English
            Languages other than English (e.g., French, Spanish)
            Mathematics
            Natural Sciences: Biology, Chemistry, Geology, Physics
            Social Sciences: Anthropology, Economics, Geography, History, Political Science
            Social Sciences Interdisciplinary (Health & Human Services: Early Childhood Concentration only)
    Source: http://gse.buffalo.edu/tei/requirements

    So in NY, your kid's CS teacher might just be an anthropology major who took a 2-week CS training course.

  103. Well... by shaitand · · Score: 1

    That all sounds well and good as long as the h1b visa program is cut and this "It proposes investments in computer science and engineering education" provides no public funds via any method including tax breaks for this "attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees."

    We don't have any real shortages in this country of STEM talent so we shouldn't be paying for the advanced education of immigrants especially since we don't even pay for the education of people born here. But if a student pays for a taught 100% in English by a unilingual US citizen teacher (important for establishing fluency in English and reading comprehension) education here or is worthwhile enough to convince penny pinching US companies to pay to educate them with after tax funds I see no reason we wouldn't want to put them on the fast track for a green card (assuming they pass background checks and such).

    Stuffing our melting pot with intelligent people is a good thing. The key is to get the gems, anyone who has ever worked with international IT crowds knows that they are larger and stuffed with even more morons than you find in the field here and a degree/marks in school have very little relation to being able to apply information in new and novel ways. Teaching material tends to give hints that guide you toward the right answers for the testing and challenges that will be presented later that the real world doesn't. I've yet to find a consistent metric that picks out that guy who consistently finds novel and creative solutions like using the liquid foam system in shipping to craft lumbar support for his chair when management is too cheap to buy new ones. That's the guy you want more of no matter where he comes from.

  104. CIinton: If I Could Be Just Completely Honest by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

    ... For A Second, I Believe Exactly What You Believe:

    http://www.theonion.com/blogpo...

  105. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    That's quite the conspiracy theory you have there.

    Not a single "third party" is qualified to be on the ballot in all states.

    Only because not enough people petition to put them on. Simple math. This year they are too distracted by the Trump charade. Best gimmick I've seen in a long time.

    Sorry, all the "rigging" is done by the voters themselves, through complacency, apathy, antipathy, whatever. As much as you all want to, you can blame nobody else.

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  106. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by msauve · · Score: 1

    "Only because not enough people petition to put them on."

    We're done until you understand the rules, instead of making them up.

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  107. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    You evidently don't know the process. Anyone is allowed to petition to be on the ballot. With enough signatures it will happen. No biggie if you don't want to learn. But you made it perfectly clear why we are in the predicament that we are. You built your own prison.

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  108. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep telling yourself that. It wasn't my team's fault, it was their team's fault!

    That's pretty fucking impressive, though, that a president and congress elected for 2008 could affect things that were happening in 2007!

  109. Too bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a shame Hilariously Rotten Clinton lies through her teeth with every breath she takes, otherwise that would make her potential, impending presidency a pretty sweet deal for them.

    How many times can someone sit quietly watching opinion polls, then say EXACTLY what the polls reveal would be the most popular thing for her to say, before you fucking retards GET IT?

    SHE. IS. A. LIAR.

    AS A CLINTON, SHE BELIEVES RULES AND LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO HER.

    I can't spell this out for you any more simply. It doesn't matter what a liar promises when all she does is lies to your face.

    Hey, allegedly savvy, techy people... this woman wants to have Edward Snowden killed. You know that, right? For telling the truth. What does that tell you about her?

    Fuck. I'm going to have to move to France or some shit.

  110. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Johnson/Weld will be on ballots in all 50 states the year because of the petitioning process. Nobody petitions for the R-team and D-team to get on the ballot. Due to the way the rules work, they're automatically included. The petitioning process doesn't apply to the R and D team due to the catch-22 GP identified.

    Your arrogant, willful ignorance is astounding. You're an authoritarian sack of shit who is completely blind to the machinations of the two party system, because you operate from the Just World Axiom.

  111. globalist scum screwing us over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, bought and paid for. As a US software engineeer, I recognize this would be catastrophic for my wages. Given their stances on visa abuse and cheap labor importation in general, I would have been comfortable with Bernie or Trump, which means I am probably going for Trump at this point. A vote for Hillary is a vote for a knife in my own back. Clinton as president means that pretty much anything the Wise Masters of Silicon Valley can think up to screw us over, she will do for them.

    Also, good luck with the CS grads thing. They've been leading that horse to water for years and it just isn't thirsty. You can gives someone a CS degree but you can't make them enjoy programming or have a natural talent for it.

  112. Hmm by wwalker · · Score: 1

    On one hand, I admire a leader who listens to their constituents and adjusts their position according to the majority's view. That's democracy. On the other hand, something tells me that Hillary's definition of "constituents" and "majority" includes large sums of money donated to her campaign, and "unless it is against her self-interests". I know, I know, every politician is like that, you'll tell me. Bernie isn't though. And that's the sad part.

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those dear leaders...

      (captcha: subclass)

  113. So, if this is correct... by zkiwi34 · · Score: 1

    Then why would any American in their right mind (presuming such a thing exists) do STEM at an American university?

    Foreigner + degree (often got for free, see Germany) gets STEM job (academia or industry) = Americans once more screwed.

    It's like H1b but on steroids.

    Is Hillary really that stupid, or that evil?

    1. Re:So, if this is correct... by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting Americans take gender studies instead or all move to Germany for free college?

      Neither of those sound sustainable to me.

  114. Re:Computer Science Teachers - No CS Degrees Allow by zkiwi34 · · Score: 1

    It doesn't even matter if they had a pathway for CS teachers.

    The Universities do not want prospective CS majors or minors to have done CS at high school. They REQUIRE, Calculus (and to a much lesser extent Statistics), and Physics (and oddly enough Chemistry helps). That you have done AP or IB CS is irrelevant to them; you might get a semester credit at most, but that's not the same as being an entry requirement, or even recommendation.

  115. You've got to be kidding by zkiwi34 · · Score: 1

    It hasn't been about work for the citizens since at least as long ago as the 80's

    It is all about globalisation, and in it's purest form Walmart-isation; where humans are widgets (unless they are in the 1%), disposable and replaceable more quickly than a Happy Meal.

  116. Except that... by zkiwi34 · · Score: 1

    Given the economies of scale of the World (circa 7 billion) vs USA, (circa 400 million) then there is zero reason for Americans to pursue STEM at all if this "amazing plan" comes to fruition. This is already being seen with the massive and systemic corruption of the H1b type of visa.

    This ups the ante by giving foreigners an even more massive advantage over the locals.

  117. Rick Roll for President by Dareth · · Score: 1

    Rick Roll for President! Hell, given the current state of this election, a Rick Roll President sounds like a good idea.

    US gets "Rick Rolled" in the election and they loved it so much they won't even complain about his birth certificate from Hawaii.

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  118. Let's face it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If she says that she will beat up Comcast and ban Flash, even Sanderites will vote for her.

  119. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    Under George W Bush they didn't extend them. They just used them and the spineless Democrats did nothing to stop them, the same under Clinton.

  120. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    The economic down turn started with Clinton. Bush didn't have time to cause the recession in 2001. His biggest flub was the Iraq War and supplemental spending bills.

  121. Re:DOESN'T ADDRESS THE REAL ISSUE by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    You might be on to something here.

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  122. Re:tl;dr: Clinton hates Americans, loves foreigner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GP was probably referring to her support for amnesty for illegal aliens, as opposed to green card facilitation for anybody. The latter is legal, whereas the former is illegal, or at least condones illegal behavior

  123. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

    Sounds to me like you're just to lazy to make the effort

    Like for example to spell this sentence correctly...

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  124. Tech Savy? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    I thought Clinton said she didn't know how to use a computer to read email - reason for her personal server. Why would people be listening to her for tech policy....

  125. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Um, the Glass-Steagall act was repealed under Clinton, not in 2008.

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  126. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Nobody petitions for the R-team and D-team to get on the ballot. Due to the way the rules work, they're automatically included.

    So what? The petitioning process is good enough to get on the ballot. You are not limited to voting for republicans and democrats. That is one you place on yourself. Nobody is doing it to you. The world is as "just" as you want it to be. You make the choice, you live with it. Nobody is going to save you.

    And your reaction is very revealing, very typical of an *authoritarian sack of shit* that gets angry when confronted with facts that conflict with their beliefs... Thank you for confirming.

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  127. free email servers for everyone!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You get a server, you get a server and you get a server

  128. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Still I see no outside force compelling people to vote for the incumbent, only a lack of initiative in the search for alternatives. They wake up once every two years to mark a ballot that took very little part in forming, and then complain about the choices, and go back to sleep for two more years. Sorry, no sympathy from me. This prison is of their own construction. Only they can tear it down.

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  129. dim prospects for STEM graduates by scatbomb · · Score: 1

    Despite the media's overwhelming call to get more people in STEM, there are already too many workers with STEM degrees to employ. We are over-supplied not under-supplied. Wages are stagnant and there is little to no growth to speak of. Why do we need more people in STEM? This makes absolutely no sense to me.

  130. FUCK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Four to eight more years of corporate worship.

    Not good for the USA.

  131. Re:Easy solution [Trump] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    might push even rational Americans to consider a Trump vote

    While I hope Trump doesn't win, I do hope he gives Mrs. C hell on visa and trade issues, which have been dictated by corporate elites for faaaar too long.

    Make her squirm doing what you do best, Mr. Trump. Make it a close election to send a message.

  132. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    wow.
    First off, Do yourself a favor and look at Unemployement Rate and GDP for America. This shows that the great recession started in 2007. It was declared official once the GDP by ALL economists, not just most, when GPD was negative and not just in freefall. However, the fact that unemployment started rising in 2007, says it all.

    Secondly, causes of it is many. You like to list just a few minor ones while ignoring what REAL ECONOMISTS have to say. I am guessing that you have a political science or even just tech background and have not really had any economics and refuse to even accept what the professionals have to say, unless it agrees with you.

    Regardless, I am a registered Libertarian and am on the sidelines of the fucking mess that you and the dems make. However, it is easy for me to look at your mess and honestly point out the fuck-ups that your 2 political parties have been.

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  133. Re: DOESN'T ADDRESS THE REAL ISSUE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Increase green cards for stem students? Good to know hitlery wants to continue ruining the it industry. Why is having a worse education from a almost 3rd world country make it easier to find a job. Maybe i should change my name to habeeb..

  134. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    There are 2 different downturns.
    The normal recession that occurred in 2001, which was the internet bubble bursting. W, GOP, Dems, CLinton, etc had NOTHING to do with that. It was simply happening because the market had overdone the internet companies. Then you have the mini recession that occurred after 9/11. Technically, you can blame W for it, but, I would not. I would say that the economy was still weak and it was simply prolonged by 9/11.

    The great recession of 2007 has MANY causes, of which a lot was the policies that W/GOP pushed. Some of it WAS from CLinton since he signed in bills from both GOP and Dems that allowed their friends to have carte blanche with banking. Of course, I find it interesting that the GOP is opposed to re-installing even some of those that was put in place from the 30s due to the great depression.

    And W's biggest screw-up would be difficult to figure out. He allowed AQ/Talibahn to continue controlling Afghanistan and left it a REAL mess.
    Iraq was certainly a huge one.
    His allowing corporations to take earnings out of the nation and not be taxed is equally BS.
    His inability to get OBL spoke volume about his ineptness.
    His lies about Iraq to allow invasion.
    His screw up with NASA and Constellation.
    It goes on and on and on. And it explains why he is in the bottom 10 for presidencies.

    Of course, he DID do one thing smart, which was heavily subsidizing oil/nat gas drilling to get it going. Now, we just need to roll those back, OR roll them over to geo-thermal.

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  135. and if the Student doesn't work out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hillary will just wipe away their green card with a towel.

  136. Re:DOESN'T ADDRESS THE REAL ISSUE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You and this talk show host should get together. She has a plan that once implemented, will negate 'all bad things' from happening.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LChGfJMur5o

    cue up to 2:24 and hear how world peace can be achieved, if first we accept extreme punishments for all transgressions, and then the followup of hugs and a system guaranteed to prevent all bad things. That will happen anyway. Because we are human. And some loonies, but mainly just regular humans. Who will irritate each other on occasion- anyway. Despite best efforts. Lest you live in a closed garden of your own choosing.

  137. Re: Potentially more abuse prone than the H1B vis by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

    It's definitely true that some of the Clinton policies did directly contribute to the crash of 2008

    I'm pretty sure the GP is referring to the dot-com bubble, and the subsequent burst in late 2000, early 2001. The argument is that a big part of the "successful Clinton economy" during the 90s was due to riding the formation of the bubble. George Bush, for all his many (many) faults, did get left holding the bag when it finally burst while Clinton is remembered for the honeymoon.

    But of course you're also right about Clinton's role in 2008.

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  138. Idiots believe politicians' promises by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Film at 11.

  139. quadrennial dishonesty of political consultants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every election cycle the political consultants in their ever-more-optimized plans to manipulate the public and micro-target every niche interest group launch these 100% dishonest pandering campaigns.

    Just how did all the George W Bush "10 point plans" and "priority lists" work out?

    How about Obama's far more detailed plans?

    NO politician EVER follows through on these outreach-to-the-stupid-and-gullible plans.

    In 2007 Obama promised public school teachers that he would de-fund NASA for 5 years and transfer all that funding to the schools - the teachers voted for him in huge numbers (the consultants checked the box on THAT pander success).

    In 2008 Obama promised the employees of NASA in Florida that he would protect their jobs by speeding-up the replacement for the Space Shuttle, and "close the gap" in US manned launches - they voted for him. (the consultants checked the box on THAT pander success).

    In his actual budgets, Obama eliminated the program to replace the Shuttle, and fired thousands of those workers he had promised to protect (the congress overrode him and restored a mutant version of the program) and rather than transferring the saved money to the school teachers, the cash from the shuttle program was split between to mutant replacement program, global warming studies and sats to study global warming, and some funds for commercial crew. Whether you love or hate what Obama actually did, it was completely untethered to what he promised on the campaign trail. Neither the teachers nor the shuttle workers got what they were promised, and they could not get a re-do on their votes.

    How's that new "smart grid" for power distribution, and universal high speed internet access you were previously promised working out for you? How do you like your high speed rail lines? your universal "affordable" healthcare? Still have your fascist-art style "Hope" posters?

    Politicians in BOTH parties, aided by completely unprincipled hired-gun consultants make all sorts of deceitful promises in campaigns. Do yourself a favor: grow a couple of brain cells and do not fall for it. The reason we put a human being into the presidency is to deal with the stuff we cannot anticipate, and which requires human judgement. Pick the person you think is better suited to to deal with those situations (admittedly a nearly impossible task in THIS cycle, but we have the candidates we do this time precisely because so many have voted for the wrong reasons in previous cycles and in the primaries of this cycle).

  140. And by tech they mean Sillicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any by "Tech's canidate" they mean tech company CEO's canidate.

    Lets pretend the tech workers do not exist here. Hillary Clinton doesn't know shit about tech, and doesn't care, she just knows what the CEOs of tech companies want. Thats all technology is to her.

    Say what you want, but hillary can't get an email server setup correctly, ever last one of bernie sander's emails I got on the campaign had DKIM setup correctly.

  141. Re: DOESN'T ADDRESS THE REAL ISSUE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You won't even have it in a closed garden. Besides the ever present threat of internal self implosion, the assholes if the world will see your walled garden and for many many different reasons, will come take it from you. Because they can. Because they're assholes.

  142. hey whipslah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He could fix whatever he wanted if Slashdot had a freaking modern post editor instead of this quality 90s bullshit we're using now.

  143. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by zedaroca · · Score: 1

    You know that in other countries there is an equal value on every persons vote right? That everyone can vote on all the presidential candidates available, no matter where they are on the country, and their vote will count to the total vote count (instead of being discarded because of the neighborhood).

    I think there is nothing wrong in expecting that all parties follow the same rules, instead of certain parties having privileges. Decent/honest people should expect that (same rules), specially because it favors smaller parties, even if they dislike their views.

    While I do agree with you that it is the Americans fault that you have this rigged system, you shouldn't act like it is "good enough", and that people complaining about it are wrong to complain. Systems change because people complain. Also, that is not the choice he made (as you claim it is), it is the choice his shitty neighbors made. Yes, they will not save him, as they are happy to suppress his vote, his candidates, and even his complains.

  144. Well, the orange-haired one blows your theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump has been willing to say all sorts of stuff that has the multinational corporations and Wall St bankers in complete freak-out mode, and he's got all the social justice warriors crying for safe spaces too.

    Even the elites at the top of his own party are going totally bonkers over his rejection of the demands of the Chamber of Commerce, and they keep trying to find some magical way to get rid of him and substitute a typical owned-by-corporate-America hack in his place.

    Anybody who is always fussing about big business controlling politics finally has a realistic alternative in what may be a once-in-a-lifetime chance: Trump. If Trump goes down in November, there will not be another anti-globalist-corporations candidate for decades - the message will have been sent that such a candidate cannot win.

    Bernie is no alternative; he will be supporting Hillary. All that stuff he said about Wall St was just talk.

    Elizabeth Warren is no alternative; she did not care to run herself, and is now all-in for Hillary and her Wall St banker paymasters.

    If Trump was a typical corporate tool Republican, the people in the top levels of his own party would not be so publicly at war against him and risking their own political self-immolation with their take-no-prisoners denunciation of him.

  145. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    They could argue that they only promised (like I already said) to submit the bills for debate on the floor, rather than implement them, or that any number of things changed to make it different.

    That's fine. I don't expect to elect a dictator. If they submitted a bill that looks like their promise and they voted for it, then that's about as much as they can do. If anyone who promised something similar voted against it then their constituents should be able to sue for fraud, but if my constituency elects a candidate that wants to do something that 60% of the country doesn't want to do then nothing that they can do will make it pass.

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  146. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    you shouldn't act like it is "good enough", and that people complaining about it are wrong to complain.

    It's "good enough" to prove my point that anybody can get on the ballot. Which is all I'm saying. I didn't say anything about it being easy, though it can be if people want. And people are perfectly welcome to complain all they wish, but unless it is followed up by their vote, it all means nothing, and makes them look dumb. Only they can change the rules. They either have to participate fully, or take what's coming to them. What I will never accept is this crap about the "system", as if it is separate from us. It is nothing but an attempt to evade responsibility for their own choices. We are the ones making the rules, either passively or actively, consciously or subconsciously. People just have to be more friendly with their neighbors and work together. The antipathy they share towards each other and the rest of the world is a big part of the problem.

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  147. Re: The moon on a stick might as well be in the pl by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    Practically speaking, she was appointed as senator more than elected. However, selected officials are still acting as government, not private citizens.

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  148. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    The system wasn't deliberately set up to mandate two major powers, but it was set up that way nonetheless.

    The first step towards viable third parties would be ranked-choice voting, so people could vote first for the party they like and then the major party that they don't dislike as much as the other. If, in 2000 Florida, Nader voters had been able to vote "I want Nader, and I don't want Bush", it would probably have given the election to Gore, so lots of people are dissuaded from voting third party lest someone they really dislike get in.

    The next would be to change the selection of President to be plurality of popular vote, rather than majority of electoral votes. If there's three relatively equal parties, the Presidential election will doubtless be thrown into the House, and since the House will likely not agree with a majority the Vice President will become President. The current rules work reasonably well with a two-party system, but a third party would trash it.

    A more major change could be allocating Representatives by party. Right now, if your party has a steady 20% support all through your state, you get no representation in Congress. If we had at-large elections of party slates, third parties would have a better chance of getting into Congress.

    The "rigged system" is not the fault of the voters. It's a result of decisions made in the late 1700s.

    By following the current rules, we wind up with two major parties. The rules are the same for all parties, but the major ones are qualitatively different due to emergent properties of the system.

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  149. Re:The moon on a stick might as well be in the pla by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    This is at least something that can be changed without a Constitutional amendment. It's largely based on the House and Senate rules. Basically, lawmakers get more power with greater seniority (as well as more skill and connections), so throwing out a three-term Senator means a significant loss in effective Senate representation.

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  150. H1Bs are worse by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

    The stapled green cards will increase the supply of STEM employees and lower wages. But those employees will have a full right to stay in the US that is not contingent on employment and therefore be able to negotiate wages and benefits from a normal position. In contrast, H1B holders are at the mercy of their employers and have no leverage; they can't leave their job or take a new one because they will lose their right to stay in the US. So it's a net improvement.