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The Great Tablet Gold Rush Is Over (mashable.com)

Earlier this month, Dell announced that it will no longer sell Android tablets. The company added that slate tablet market is "over-saturated" and is "experiencing declining demand from consumers." The company says it will focus more on 2-in-1 -- otherwise known as hybrid laptops -- devices moving forward. Dell is right. According to IDC, tablet sales have fallen greatly in the last few years. Mashable goes on to say that the "great tablet gold rush is over." From an article: Pretty much every major tablet maker's growth fell year-over-year. Apple's iPad and Samsung's Galaxy Tabs, the two most popular brands of tablets, were down 18.8% and 28.1%, respectively. [...] In the beginning, the pitch was: The tablet is the future of computing. It'll replace your phone and your laptop. Then it became: A small tablet will replace your smartphone. Today, the pitch: It's good enough to replace your laptop. But only for some people, and only if you're willing to get by with a mobile OS. Long story short: Tablets are a complete mess right now. We can't seem to decide if we want them to replace all of our devices or only a few of them.

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  1. Saturation by Ann+Coulter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is probably market saturation. It happened with music players a decade ago and happens to almost every other invention.

    1. Re:Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now for gods sake, please explain to our corporate overlords that happens with "Rewards" cards and surveys at places too. Once you get the population of your area saturated it's OVER, stop trying to get new signups unless you change the damn program for the better.

      Nice captcha - SLACKING

    2. Re:Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, but why did you select the name of a horrible person who panders to racist idiots as your username?

    3. Re:Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it is.

      The second gen inexpensive tablets remain good enough for me (I have a Nexus 7 v2). I love it, but it didn't replace anything. I mean, I guess it replaced my laptop while I was watching TV, but it was well worth the $200 I spent on it, and remains excellent.

      I think part of this is that it is a Mobile OS, so it only needs to be as powerful as a phone to run it's apps.

    4. Re:Saturation by jandrese · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yep, manufacturers overestimated the market capacity for Tablets. In the end they're a fairly niche product, and everybody who wanted one pretty much has one at this point. They aren't useless, but they aren't compelling for most people either. You get a device that's the size of a small laptop, but less capable because it's crippled with a phone OS and no keyboard. I use mine somewhat regularly, but only for a handful of tasks:
      1. Reading full color comics. The Kindle sucks for this.
      2. Watching video on the go. Much better experience than the phone, but this is only for long car rides and is used to keep the kids entertained.
      3. Playing games. My phone is an iPhone, so all of my Android gaming has to be done on the tablet. This is a very niche use, and it really only came about from me looking for a reason to even turn the thing on in the first place. Were it not for the Humble Bundle I don't think this would even make the list.

      Web browsing and email are also possible, but the experience is decidedly worse than a laptop so I don't usually do it. Especially if I have to reply to an email.

      The big advantages with phones is portability. They're always in the pocket ready to go. Tablets don't have that, yet they're stuck with the same drawbacks that phones have like touch controls and a locked down OS.

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    5. Re:Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use my tablet for media consumption, and reading. I have Kindle on both my iPad and Ellipsis 10, while I also watch the news via some media apps, since I don't keep a TV. All my books are now online. I don't use it for web browsing nor email. However, I have occasionally used it with WebEx to talk to people like my IRA advisor. Also, with my iPad, I can run music videos in playlists - something I can't do with Android or Windows devices.

    6. Re:Saturation by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lets tell the whole truth. Not just "Dell announced that it will no longer sell Android tablets", but that lots and lots of Android tablets were sold and now Dell will no longer provide updates, including security updates, to their customers for the tablets that they did sell. Now they want to sell something else. They hope to sell lots of them. Can anyone figure out what is going to happen when that market is "saturated"?

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    7. Re:Saturation by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's also different people wanting vastly different things. I commented on this when the Dell news hit. Some are fine with a smart phone and the now rather larger screens on those for all their mobile needs. Other want something bigger, but tend to opt towards a laptop (especially the newer small form laptops and 'slates'). Personally I still want a viable replacement for my Asus Transformer Prime TF-201. It was every bit as viable as a laptop, while running the Android OS instead of being burdened with windows. This gave it battery life over 8 hours on it's own and with the keyboard battery it nearly had 18 hours of charge. It's downfall was horribly bad advertising on the part of Asus and it's price of around $500 which makes it compete with low end laptops. Personally I thought it was way better than any low end laptop I ever used, but most people looking at it purely by price would think the laptop might be the way to go.

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    8. Re:Saturation by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some tablets did have (very nice) keyboards. Some people would also love to replace their now antique tablets from 2011... But we can't because no one makes those anymore. The rush towards the bottom happened and 'high end' tablets became dinosaurs. Btw I never considered the android OS on my old tablet 'crippled', it did everything I could want form a tablet and even everything I needed for a laptop. I know not all tablets were like that, but it's been my experience.

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    9. Re:Saturation by ohieaux · · Score: 2

      The Transformer Prime was not a decent laptop replacement. I bought into the hype and purchased one when it first came out. The concept was good, and the battery life was great, But, the tablet OS was useless and the applications were phone apps. Try editing a document or spreadsheet with a phone app. The trackpad seemed to have little use without a real mouse cursor.

      In the end it, like most tablets, was a glorified phone. If all you wanted to do is surf with a crippled browser, play phone type games or watch videos it was fine. But, it wasn't really suited for much else.

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    10. Re:Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This happen to me when I worked for GameStop years ago. Corporate Overlords were mad that the sales of our membership cards weren't as high as others. The reason? We already sold them to every applicable customer!

    11. Re:Saturation by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Tablets are facing the very same problem as desktops did (and still do): the hardware is easy. It's the software that is really hard. This is as true today as it was in 1968 when Alan Kay has envisioned DynaBook for the first time. Today's tablets are 1968's DynaBooks without a soul. We simply don't have that kind of adaptable, malleable, fun software we were supposed to get. Instead we get gigabytes of stuff that can't do almost anything useful. I wonder if it isn't some kind of mental block on part of the overwhelming majority of vendors, because most of them aren't even trying.

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    12. Re:Saturation by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

      What makes you feel that a laptop is better? While admittedly a pain to carry places, a tablet gives a personal device that is less focused than a laptop. Using a laptop in a restaurant as an example (say eating alone) seems more anti social than a tablet...

    13. Re:Saturation by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

      My tablet replaced a "netbook". I use a bluetooth keyboard with it, so it's basically a touch screen netbook. Like the netbook, it fills a useful niche between phone and laptop. Light weight, more portable than the laptop and still has a large enough screen to be comfortable.

      My "smart" phone replaced a flip phone. while the screen is much larger than the flip phone's screen, the phone is still only useful for voice calls, text messaging and shopping lists. Also, the smart phone is awkward to use for voice calls without a headset. And it's too fragile to simply slip into my pocket; I need a protective case for it.

      Over all, I'm happy with my 3 year old tablet. It's still serving me well and I plan to keep it until it dies.

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    14. Re:Saturation by jafiwam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am eagerly awaiting the end of the stupid trend for websites to all look the same with the same gigantic blocky format in an attempt to "capture" the tablet market.

      Every tablet can zoom, there's no need to dumb down the entire internet for them.

    15. Re:Saturation by DuckDodgers · · Score: 2

      Speaking for myself, I lost interest in tablets because they break so easily.

      Smart phone cases are strong and the screens are generally small enough that breaks are rare. They happen, but in my family of six we haven't had a smart phone screen break in over three years. Tablets? Three complete tablet failures in three years. Five tablet screen cracks in three years. Meanwhile we have a netbook, two laptops, and four desktops, and the oldest machine is from 2006. The only traditional computer hardware failure in ten years was one hard drive. And I still have a PC from 2001 that works, I just don't turn it on because it's got less computing power than a Raspberry Pi.

      That's why I lost interest in tablets.

    16. Re:Saturation by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

      What kind of keyboard was that?, like keys built into the tablet's body or a more regular external one?

      High end tablets never really went away as far as I know. Most are iPad or Windows x86.
      Quite recently there's been the Google Pixel C as a decidedly high end Android tablet with a keyboard.
      There are negative reviews that have to do with the OS mainly, people complain of running phone software scaled to 10" (which I imagine is worsened by the "flat design" trend) but I guess you'd do ok, as long as you know what you want to run.

      A these prices, people can get a "real" computer, with thin options i.e. tablet or laptop with no RJ45.
      Simple task, get data to/from a USB drive, most people won't know what to do. Although we know that a USB-to-go dongle may be used, or something like installing an ssh server on the tablet and using filezilla or sshfs on the desktop.

      "Special computers" have always been a failure, such as Network Computers, Philips CD-I, Internet (browsing) appliances, linux netbooks (those with a token distro thrown on a 2GB internal flash drive), next to those Android tablets are a huge success.

    17. Re:Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to be really on-board with the whole iPad thing. I do love the screen size of the iPad. But Apple weaned me off it by breaking previously working apps, ruining the look and feel of the OS with those cartoon-like icons, and generally being annoying as hell. So the iPads sit on the shelf, and we do most of our fooling around, kindling, surfing, gaming, using our phones. Android seems to be much better at keeping things working, and the ability to side-load totally beats Apple's closed store that constantly drops apps for non-payment of dev fees or because Apple doesn't want the competition. They're assholes about providing decent I/O, too.

      I honestly think Apple's tablet could have continued to be a serious market player by just improving the product; but their behavior is so bad that they basically shit their own bed. They sure did with me, anyway. It's not that I can't afford to upgrade. It's that I don't want to bother with them constantly screwing me. It's just.... tiring and annoying. So, no new iPads here.

    18. Re:Saturation by Chryana · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You would have a point if Dell was an exception. Unfortunately, it seems software support ends for a lot of Android device on the moment that they leave the factory. I just checked the Staples site, and most of the tablets they offer are still running Lollipop. Now, even Google has stopped making tablets, so good luck finding an Android tablet whose manufacturer is willing to keep providing updates on it. Thus, I don't see how Dell is better or worse than the rest of the manufacturers out there.

    19. Re:Saturation by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Laptops have real OS's. I needed to put a new ROM on an Android phone once when overseas (reasons are complicated, but this was the only solution). I couldn't have done that with a tablet. It wasn't my primary phone; it was one I was using as a backup with a local SIM, but it made my life a lot easier to have it rather than pay through the nose for roaming data service.

      For surfing, a tablet is fine. But there are lots of things that require a real OS to do, and old laptops (mine is at least 7 years old) are better than brand-new tablets for those tasks. My next laptop will be an Apple so I can run Bootcamp and have both OSX and Windows available for whatever I need.

    20. Re:Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a TF101. Rooted, with Linux and X it makes a pretty good laptop replacement for remote admin, email, etc and great battery life.

      I really wish someone would make a newer Arm laptop with a similar design, more memory and the battery life.

    21. Re:Saturation by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      There seems to be some revisionist history going on. When Apple released the first iPad I remember talk about it replacing netbooks (Slashdot was very skeptical) but not notebooks and certainly not phones. The various tablets seem to have killed netbooks very dead and left phones and notebooks mostly alone. I'm sure Apple and Samsung, who both make phones, tablets and notebooks, are very happy with that outcome.

    22. Re:Saturation by GrBear · · Score: 2

      Tell that to Google who'll eagerly down rank you if your website isn't 'Mobile Friendly'.

    23. Re: Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have/had a tf101 I loved it when is updates stopped I started using the KatKiss ROM... Then I had kids. Sadly, due to toddler tantrums, it no longer powers on and the bezel is horribly broken. I still think that it would work if I could fix the power button though. I ended up getting 2 nabi 2's for my kids. My youngest broke the screen on his within 6 months... He's now sporting a kindle fire for kids. FireOS pisses me off to no end.

    24. Re: Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tablets would be ok for kids and the old folks but its way to expensive for them. Inbetween you can get by a phone. And you only need a computer if your working with one. Probably everyone on slashdot lol.

    25. Re:Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tablets were a solution to a nonexistent problem (mass market anyway). People buy them for the novelty or for casual entertainment (car rides.... ... bathrooms (come on, this is the #1 reason right?)). Not only do they not really serve a great function but there is no need to replace them. I eventually broke down and bought one but it took until LAST year before I thought of a use that wasnt just throwing away money.

      Maybe the tablet could have been a useful device if Apple hadnt set the precedent that it was just a large phone. But ....

      So now what are we left with? Devices that we barely can control that are targets for malware and tons of FTP scam games looking to try to turn your kids into whales. Over saturation? We were over saturated on day 2 of tablet sales.

      Anyone with a clue saw this coming; just took longer than expected so maybe I dont have a clue either.

    26. Re:Saturation by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I commented on it elsewhere, but my tablet is a Asus Transformer Prime TF-201 from 2011 and it had a detachable keyboard with a hinged 'flip' to it. By default it had a micro-SD card slot, headphone jack, micro-HDMI, and an 8 hour battery among other things. The keyboard held a second battery with nearly the same charge as the main one, full-size USB and SD card slot, and the keyboard itself wasn't cramped (and so you could type at full speed). Heck do to USB I could even connect mice or a desktop keyboard and use them, and I've read/played things from/formatted USB drives with it. I've done everything from video editing to writing on it, so it could do anything I'd possibly want to do on a laptop. Sadly the gorilla glass screen and durable aluminum body construction haven't saved it from eventually getting cracks and dents, though these haven't made it stop working... yet. However it running Android 4.1.1 is both a blessing and a curse. It was still 'designed with tablets in mind', but it is outdated and the software doesn't exactly play well with it anymore.

      I have zero Apple products, so an Ipad is not tempting at all for me. Even if it was the wireless keyboards always seem to have more issues than I'd like to hear about and most don't seem all that good. Windows 'tablets' that I've looked at feel slow and clumsy and I just can't end up liking 'windows lite' apps. I dislike them even on Windows on desktops or laptops.

      I hadn't even heard of the Pixel C. Looking at it though it lacks USB and does the same silly 'no cords man!' thing that the Ipad and most MS tablets do. Even so it looks closer than most to what I'd want.

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    27. Re:Saturation by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 2

      Dude, I don't know what you did, but I have edited many spreadsheets and documents (heck I wrote a fricking book on it and used to take class notes when I went back to take some college classes). I had zero issues doing those things. Heck I even edited video on it (that I took with a USB enabled camcorder). Maybe you just chose very bad software (apps)?

      I would agree the trackpad was useless, but it had a USB port and I connected wireless mice to it from time to time if I needed a 'real' pointing device beyond my finger. It worked just fine with a real mouse, though it didn't understand 'right clicking', but then neither do most Macs so...

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    28. Re: Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " IOS version 10.010203 is available for install!!! Would you like to 1. Install, Wait 5 minutes then install, wait a bit longer and then get this prompt again!!!!???

    29. Re:Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Using a laptop in a restaurant as an example (say eating alone) seems more anti social than a tablet...

      Seriously, who gives a shit? I'm there to eat, not to be bothered by loud children and TVs that are always tuned to SportsBalls.

    30. Re:Saturation by davester666 · · Score: 1

      slacker. did you even try dragging someone into the store and selling them a membership? why not?

      Take some responsibility for your complete lack of initiative.

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    31. Re:Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the "quote"

      "The company added that slate tablet market is "over-saturated""

      You maybe onto something Sherlock.

      +5 Insightful for repeating what was posted on the second line of the thread.

    32. Re:Saturation by jbolden · · Score: 2

      One of the big upsides of Android is hardware diversity. Device manufacturers can easily customize the device for markets and sub markets. The downside is you have hardware diversity induced by easy customization and thus support is expensive and complicated. Two sides of the same coin.

    33. Re:Saturation by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I think we do have that kind of software.

      1) Presentation software, sales systems like powerpoint are way more advanced
      2) Interactive books (iBooks)
      3) Photo viewers and browsers to replace albums
      4) Shopping experience websites (tablet users love the interactive shopping experience)
      5) Tablet gaming
      6) Note taking

      I'd say that's a pretty successful. Apple's statistics show that their tablets are still heavily used. Where they have had problems is creating incentives for upgrades.

    34. Re:Saturation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a tf301 with the keyboard. Sadly, I dropped it, the screen cracked. I've gotten a kindle fire to replace it. I use it differently. The keyboard let me try to pretend it was a pc. It wasn't as good to bring just to read. If there's no internet, I prefer the kindle. With internet, I prefer a PC. I miss the tf301 but internet use had gotten slow on it.

    35. Re:Saturation by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      ...and now think again about how these tiny islands of functionality work together (almost not at all, even worse on mobile devices). Plus there's so much untapped potential for novel interfacing on mobile devices for many of these (calculators/simple programming with writing recognition? Grammar-based speech commands? Etc. etc...) that it makes one sad.

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    36. Re:Saturation by nearly · · Score: 1

      A cheap USB-C hub (preferably with USB 2.0 ports) is pretty much essential for the Pixel C. I think Android is very doable without a mouse now, though, and I rarely end up using the hub at all. I don't really have USB drives, so I tend to get by with OneDrive/Google Drive, and lately, Git through Termux for some light editing in Vim. I've found it to be an incredibly satisfying laptop replacement, though it is pricey if you're approaching it as premium tablet + keyboard: I approached it as an extremely cheap premium laptop, and I don't think that's an easy sell even with existent marketing to let people know it exists. I haven't found many issues with apps responding to the tablet format appropriately, and as Android Nougat support starts rolling out, I'd expect what few issues there are to start disappearing entirely. If they had released as a dualboot with ChromeOS as they seem to have originally planned, it could have been a big shake-up to push people toward convertible/detachable. As it is, with android apps rolling out to ChromeOS devices, it seems like Google re-committed to the laptop form factor rather than a blend/mash-up.

    37. Re:Saturation by jbolden · · Score: 1

      True. They are just islands of functionality. But for a long time that was what PCs offered too.

  2. Bad input by Moof123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The touch interface sucks for a lot of things, making it a lame replacement for many things. Browsing the web is good. Games are are largely bad. Many really need a game pad or mouse style input to be decent. So while an ipad can easily run doom or quake level stuff with ease, mostly the bad control interface ruins them.

    Typing sucks on a touch interface, too slow for anything beyond a few sentences at a time.

    So our ipads mostly get used to watch Netflix while cooking dinner, playing music, checking news, and not much more. Much of the promise is ruined by a lack of mouse and keyboard.

    1. Re:Bad input by The-Ixian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I couldn't agree more.

      My uses for the ipad are:

      casting to the tv
      Playing one of the 2 games (The Sequence and MTG 2015)
      As a notifier and viewer for e-mail

      That's it. Everything else I do (playing music/podcasts, checking weather/news, etc) are all done on my phone or on my gaming PC.

      I don't browse the web on it because of the screen size.
      I don't reply to e-mails because I can't stand typing on a touch screen.
      I don't read my ebooks on it because the screen is terrible for reading (prefer print books or e-ink)
      I don't take pictures or video on it because it is too big and heavy to carry around with me all the time (ipad mini)

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    2. Re:Bad input by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      For a small subset of games, the touch interface is an improvement. They are great for Netflix as you mention, and of course for Hulu, Plex, and Amazon video. They also take up less space on an airplane tray table, and weigh less than most laptops. Tablets and laptops are very different products with different niches, that happen to crossover a little bit because some tablets have keyboard covers and can run PC software.

    3. Re:Bad input by ranton · · Score: 1

      I did use my first iPad quite a lot, but I think only because phones generally had under 4" screen sizes in the beginning. As soon as I got my Note 4, I hardly ever used my tablet. Eventually when I broke my iPad Air I didn't replace it and I haven't missed it. A phone at around 6" gives enough screen real estate for me to replicate the functionality of a tablet, and for anything else I use a tablet or desktop PC.

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    4. Re:Bad input by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      This is why any future tablets I get will be Windows tablets. It makes them so much more useful. Want to play a game? Plug in a USB gamepad or a keyboard and mouse. You can always plug into a keyboard if you need to type up something lengthy. You can have as many applications on your screen at the same time as you want. Because it's running windows it's designed to work with a keyboard and mouse and those devices will just work. Plug it into a full size monitor and you basically have a full size computer. On a 10 inch tablet, I definitely want to be able to use it like a full computer if I feel like doing that. Otherwise I'm spending a lot of money for something that barely does nothing at all.

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    5. Re:Bad input by thevirtualcat · · Score: 1

      I would say that the only reason browsing the web is "good" on a tablet is because browser and website authors have worked (to varying degrees of success) to make it so.

      In the mid-to-late 2000's, when the touch screen smart phones were starting to take off, a lot of websites were not touch friendly at all. Many of them assumed that "hover" was a meaningful action you could take and incorporated things like Flash animations or menus that you had to hover over to activate.

      Most of the things you mention that are "bad" are because little effort has gone into them other than trying to badly emulate the old ways. There's no reason you can't have a good touch screen game. But if you just throw a virtual D-pad and SNES buttons on the screen, you're gonna have a bad time.

    6. Re:Bad input by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't touch type on a touch screen. Works great as a TV ...

    7. Re:Bad input by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For me, books are one thing that justify the tablet. I read it with white on black background, making it easier on the eyes. I don't have a separate Kindle - my iPad works just fine. The biggest thing is that I can have any number of books without physically buying a big expensive shelf to store them, or them gathering dust after many months.

    8. Re:Bad input by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Games are are largely bad. Many really need a game pad or mouse style input to be decent.

      False.

      Certain category of games are bad - action games in particular (the ones that require "twitch").

      But there are categories of games that a controller, keyboard or mouse is a poor substitute and a touch screen is perfect. Puzzle games (jigsaw, crossword, Sudoku, etc), for example are better to be able to touch and interact with the pieces. Board games too - some even have a smartphone app to interact with the tablet.

      I'd certainly like you to claim superiority on Jackbox with only a laptop - a touchscreen laptop works much better for the drawing parts of the game.

      And pinball games are fine - there's not much advantage a keyboard has over a touchscreen.

      FPS games are universally bad on touchscreens, RTS as well (hard to get your APM up if your fingers are flying across the screen).

      But the deal with tablets is - the market is saturated - people don't replace them as often because they generally are very good at what they do - there is very little reason to upgrade.

      The smartphone, laptop, and tablet are not interchangeable - a laptop is great for long form typing, web browsing, action gaming, etc, but it generally sucks in a family rom away from a desk where it's not as convenient to use as a tablet. Hunching over a laptop on a coffee table while sitting on the sofa is not fun after a few minutes.

      Sure, there's some overlap in capabilities, but generally speaking there's still a superior device even in the overlap.

    9. Re:Bad input by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I don't read my ebooks on it because the screen is terrible for reading (prefer print books or e-ink)

      This is, interestingly, what I use my iPad almost exclusively for. I have acrobat reader installed on my Gen 1 ipad, and use it for reading pdfs all of the time.

      First of all, books are physically just too darn big. All of the books I have stored on my ipad would weigh upwards of a couple of hundred pounds.

      Also, while eink is nicer to read than the ipad display, eink's shortcomings with regards to refresh speed and lack of color capability would not be amenable to the kinds of works that I read, or how I will sometimes want to quickly skim over several pages to find something that I will know immediately when I see. Acrobat reader on the device flips pages the instant I request it, while eink's update times are simply too slow, and I find that the limitations of the technology interfere with concentrating on what I am actually trying to read. Future technology may improve these things, and when eink can match the virtually instant screen update time as well as offer color, I'll probably recycle my ipad within a week or two after getting one.

    10. Re:Bad input by Threni · · Score: 2

      I'd add to that "reading PDF format books". I use my kindle for all other reading but 6 inches isn't enough for a pdf as-is, and zooming, rotating etc is just horrific, and trying to convert them into mobi/epub also yields horrific results. I'd really like an a4 size kindle, or, failing that, a 10 inch one.

    11. Re:Bad input by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      touch interface sucks

      But it helps apps appify appification apps in app apps app applications you LUDDITE.

    12. Re:Bad input by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      The lack of upgradable RAM is what I dislike most about this. Although if we end up with 4GB on really cheap hardware (not $500, morel ike $129) and 8GB or even 16GB on a more expensive one, that'll be decent.

      The issue of storage can be covered by UFS cards, they can replace real hard drives basically.

    13. Re:Bad input by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Handwriting/character recognition on touchscreen devices is pretty amazing these days. I can write in Chinese by tracing characters on my phone or tablet screen about as fast as I can type them using pinyin input with a keyboard.

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    14. Re:Bad input by guacamole · · Score: 1

      So our ipads mostly get used to watch Netflix while cooking dinner, playing music, checking news, and not much more. Much of the promise is ruined by a lack of mouse and keyboard.

      So it seems like you're already using tablet as intended. Tablets are great for media consumption device, for browsing the web, social networks, or watching videos when you're on a living room sofa, on a bed, on a flight, or in the kitchen. Once you have an urge to use a keyboard, make yourself a favor and get a laptop. As the experience with the surface pro shows, once you make a tablet with a keyboard, big enough to replace a laptop, it becomes a lousy laptop and a lousy tablet, although some people do love those things.

    15. Re: Bad input by jo7hs2 · · Score: 1

      I was a roughly day-one purchaser of the iPad, and I have to respectfully disagree, aside from flash issues and some occasional issues with forms, even the original iPad handled websites fairly well in desktop formats. It was one of the reasons I ended up with an iPad BEFORE a smartphone. It was very rare that I could not easily view, navigate, and enter data into a website. About the only major frustration was that for some forms and buttons the lack of a tab or arrow key was problematic in a touch environment until, as you note, websites adapted. I actually run into more trouble now when website try to be mobile friendly than when they are desktop sites, since Safari actually handles desktop sites more gracefully on the larger iPad screen.

    16. Re:Bad input by dbIII · · Score: 1

      eink's shortcomings with regards to refresh speed and lack of color capability would not be amenable to the kinds of works that I read

      True, even the Jetbook Color comes nowhere near reproducing skin tones :)
      More seriously it's not likely to impress at any point due to backlighting making colors look more intense than reflected light - slideshow versus print.

    17. Re:Bad input by dbIII · · Score: 1

      This is why any future tablets I get will be Windows tablets. It makes them so much more useful. Want to play a game? Plug in a USB gamepad or a keyboard and mouse ... will just work

      I've got one. Every time you plug in a USB device it says "detecting hardware" for well over ten seconds whether you've used the device on that machine before or not. "Will just work" my arse. On ALL other systems you pair the bluetooth stuff ONCE or it does the setup ONCE with USB and then it "will just work" afterwards - so it's no better on MS Windows.

  3. They have their uses, but in limited situations. by Nikkos · · Score: 2

    I've used a tablet to take notes, read books, do research, keep kids busy, surf the net etc over the last 6 or so years (I have a gen 1 Galaxy Tab 8.1)

    The only thing I still use it for is reading books, and occasionally as an ODBII reader with Torque. It hasn't replaced anything, it's just another computer I use in situations where a smartphone isn't big enough (or I need the smartphone for something else) and a laptop is too big.

  4. Tablets are a luxury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I admit it. I have two tablets. I have a Nexus 7 and a Nexus 9 (both Android tablets for those who don't know). I've used both as e-readers (for both Google Play and Kindle books), as occasional consumption devices (youtube, netflix, light web browsing) and not much else. I can't call them anything other than a luxury device. Do I enjoy reading books on my phone? Hell no. Can it be done? Sure. Does a tablet replace a full computer with a "real" OS like MacOS (OS X), Windows, or Linux? Not a chance. I do most of my computing on a 2-in-1 these days - either a MS Surface or a Lenovo X1 Tablet. But those are not tablets in any sense of the word, they are Windows computers. Most of the rest is on the phone. I still use the tablets - every night I read on one for several minutes in bed before sleeping. But I'd be kidding myself and deceiving all of you if I thought they were anything but luxury devices.

    1. Re:Tablets are a luxury by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

      I agree, somewhat. I have a low end Samsung Tab A with a 7" screen and use it primarily for reading (Google Play, Kindle, Kobo, Moon+), some viewing (Netflix, Amazon prime video, web), and some note taking with an external keyboard preferably. For reading, especially something with color illustration or in the gods damned PDF format the small phone screen simply won't do. With the 7" I can still slip it in a back pocket when I am walking somewhere and often it will fit in a shirt pocket. For serious computing (Eclipse, Android Studio, longer writing) I use a conventional laptop that I upgraded to a SSD and Linux (Ubuntu Mate). At ~$150 for the low end tablet I don't necessarily consider it a luxury, although it is not really a necessity either.

    2. Re:Tablets are a luxury by guacamole · · Score: 1

      That's a great though. Pretty much everyone these days has a notebook of some kind and a smartphone. These two are a must have for almost anybody out there. Now tablets are trying to squeeze in between those two devices. For most people, tablet is their third computing device, if not fourth. Since a tablet does not a must have device for most of people's computing needs, the demand is low, and the profit margins are thin. The tablet market is shockingly slow. A lot of tablet products are effectively on a two year long development cycle. Sometimes the vendors squeeze in a refreshed model after one year, but those are mostly cosmetically changed models, primarily for marketing purpose. I do find my tablets to be pretty useful. I laptop or a convertible can often be clumsy for using in the bed, on a sofa, or for watching videos while working out on a cardio machine in a gym. Tablets work fine for those purposes.

      You are correct to note that Surface products are not exactly tablets, but more like notebooks with detachable keyboards. 2in1 products, but quite lousy or traditional tablet applications.

  5. Manfunction: Need input by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agree. If you could add a chorded keyboard into a "grip" for one side that would go a long way to helping...assuming people would be willing to learn the chorded keyboard.

    1. Re:Manfunction: Need input by tattood · · Score: 1

      If you could add a chorded keyboard into a "grip" for one side

      You want to put a piano onto the side of the tablet? Sounds a bit awkward to me.

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    2. Re:Manfunction: Need input by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

      Not a piano, but still awkward with a high'ish learning curve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    3. Re:Manfunction: Need input by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Why not just get a number pad with arrow keys plus the usual insert, delete, home, end, page up, and page down? I bought a flexible USB one 5 years ago and the only problem now is the middle number row is burned out. I plan to replace it with a rigid version, as soon as I can find one with all the same keys. I also use a netbook for routine tasks rather than a tablet, but assuming a USB port is available the same setup should work for them.

    4. Re:Manfunction: Need input by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Johnny 5?

  6. First they came for my desktop ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    First they came for the desktops, but I didn't care, I could use a laptop with an external screen and keyboard.
    Then they came for the laptops, but I didn't care because ... Tablets!
    Then they came for the tablets, and I didn't care because Smartphones make tablets feel like boat anchors.
    You can have my smartphone when you pry it from my cold dead hands!

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    1. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they will just bury or cremate you with it

    2. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First they came for our desktops, and we stood our ground.

      Signed,
      Pro users and gamers.

    3. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      You've been using that smartphone while on the toilet, nobody wants to touch it.

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    4. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by Lendrick · · Score: 2

      Didn't you know? PC Gaming is dead.

      I know this because the gaming media has been *insisting* that it's dead for the past fifteen years.

    5. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      You've been using that smartphone while on the toilet, nobody wants to touch it.

      Everyone uses their phone while on the throne. Why do you think so many of them have water damage?

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    6. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I have a desktop for gaming & general use, a laptop for "on the road", a tablet for general portable dickery and ebooks and a smartphone because I need a couple features not available on feature phones.

    7. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally. +1. PC Gaming is Dead. Long Live PC Gaming. The old saw about upgrades is also useless. I have an old i7 and a mid range Nvidia card and I run my games at max res max graphics, 60fps. /shrug

    8. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think so many of them have water damage?

      That's why I never wash mine.

    9. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

      Actually if you think about it, what part of the phone really gets dirty if you use it on the can?

      You de-trouse, sit down, pull your phone out, do your civic duty for the day, then (and this is key) you put your phone in your pocket and commence clean up work, wash your hands and done.

      I guess barring you're not doing things in that order, what part of the phone gets any more dirty than your keyboard (which is even dirtier than the toilet seat you just sat on)?

    10. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually if you think about it, what part of the phone really gets dirty if you use it on the can?

      The part with a detectable amount of feces on it.

    11. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually its console gaming that is dying. With PC gaming you get 1000% better graphics, and 10000% better control. The whole gaming experience is just so much better on a PC than a console that is limited by the resolution of a TV set, and limited to awkward and crappy controllers. My 5-6 year old PC monitor and same age PCs built-in graphics chip beat any console any day hands down.

      Besides, people are tired of paying big bucks for console games that are just a poor quality remake of previous games that were a poor remake of previous games that were a poor remake of previous games etc...etc...etc...etc...that they get tired of in a couple of weeks. And then when you try to sell the game you can get less than 10% of what you paid for it.

    12. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The world is a ball of rock with a thin veneer of feces. They're everywhere. Your phone probably has less on it than anything else because you wipe the screen occasionally.

    13. Re:First they came for my desktop ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then they introduced gUEFI w/out the promised controls to turn off "security measures".

      Then they forced 10 down our throats & the war was lost...

      for all but the 'nix users.

    14. Re: First they came for my desktop ... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      My console has never rebooted mid game due to Windows updates. My console has never been infected with malware. My console doesn't require the extra system load of anti virus. I'm not required to update my hardware every 18 months just to keep up with the latest games. My console doesn't need water cooling. My console fits nicely under my TV. Not everything is about e-peen.

    15. Re: First they came for my desktop ... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      The perfect setup would be an upgradable console (with standard computer CPU, GPU, RAM and storage) that requires games to be playable with a keyboard and mouse (except platform games, racing, fighters, schumps, etc). There's nothing worst than a first-person game with a damn gamepad and their crappy tiny over-sensitive analog sticks.

    16. Re: First they came for my desktop ... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

      I bought a console because I don't want to have to throw more hardware at games.

  7. Good by Yvan256 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Maybe the people at Apple will get off their asses and finally update their computers.

    Will the 2016 Mac minis be as pathetic as the 2014 models? Not only do we need to be able to upgrade the RAM and HDDs/SSDs but a socketed CPU would be a welcome addition.

    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wont someone think of Apple's profit margins?

      they make more money selling it that way, and people buy them.

    2. Re:Good by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Funny you should bring upgradeability up, since that actually ties into the topic at hand for me.

      See, I'm still using a 2011 Mac mini. My original plan when I got it was to do some DIY upgrades to increase its worth, upgrade to the new model each time one came out, and then sell the old, upgraded machine to make up my costs (DIY upgraded minis regularly sell at or above the price of new models on eBay) so that I'd have a smooth upgrade path while keeping my costs relatively low or maybe even making a small profit.

      Unfortunately, my 2011 model has a BTO i7, a BTO dedicated GPU, a DIY Fusion Drive, and 8GB RAM that I installed. Subsequent models had worse graphics performance because they dropped the dedicated GPU as a BTO option, plus they (I believe) dropped the ability to do your own Fusion Drive and RAM. I would have been paying for a downgrade or sidegrade, which I wasn't going to do.

      Which brings us around to tablets...

      As I began considering my options for an upgrade, I realized that ever since getting married last year, the only time I sat down at my computer was to game. As it turns out, I had switched all of my non-gaming computing over to my iPad so that I could spend time with my wife more easily, but I had apparently done so without experiencing any pain points along the way or even realizing that I was doing so. Once I finally did realize what was going on, the upgrade path became pretty clear: sell the Mac mini and build my own gaming rig, since that's apparently all I'm using it for these days anyway, and a dedicated gaming rig will handle games far better than a 5 year old Mac mini.

    3. Re:Good by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      You're lucky, at least you have an i7 (probably a quad-core too, you'll have no trouble at all in reselling it). The 2010 model was still on Core 2 Duo and that's the only thing I can't upgrade on mine.

    4. Re:Good by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Will the 2016 Mac minis be as pathetic as the 2014 models?

      Currently, it looks like the 2016 Mac minis will be the exact same model as the 2014 model. It's been almost two years without and update. Even worse on the Mac Pro side of things as it's getting near three years. Cook says that they expect users to upgrade their computer every three years, but we're certainly not going to do it when they are literally the same model when it comes time. I can deal with a lot of things such as loss of ports, but I expect at least yearly updates.

  8. Mine didn't replace a laptop by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

    But then again, I don't need a laptop for most of what I do, in terms of personal, recreational leisure. I don't even need a desktop. I use my desktop pretty much when i'm having breakfast.

    I read books. I watch movies. I do a bit of web surfing. I look at radar when the sky turns battleship gray. I read/write email. And that's about it. A tablet does all that very well, especially the movie, book, web and radar parts.

    If I'm home, or on a plane, or in a hotel, I use the tablet. (first model of iPad Air)

    When I'm out and about, I use my phone. (iPhone 5S)

    The two have different missions and due to my tastes in size, there is no common ground. I don't like a big phone and I don't like a little tablet.

    Both, however, have almost identical loads in term of apps, books, etc. They have identical screen layouts. It's seamless, for me, to go from one to the other.

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  9. It's partly about data plans by jetkust · · Score: 1

    I think if people could use the same data plans on tablets that they use with their phones the demand would be greater. But as of now, mobile companies are afraid of tablets because they think tablet users would suck away all their precious data. I think some people settle for the smaller phone screen for that reason.

    1. Re:It's partly about data plans by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I use the same data plan on my phone and my tablets. (Ting)
      My tablet has a phone number and works fine with a headset, although I use google voice more than I use the (relatively cheap $6/mo) phone service.

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    2. Re:It's partly about data plans by ranton · · Score: 1

      Which companies don't allow tablets onto their data plans? Do you just mean grandfathered unlimited plans?

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    3. Re:It's partly about data plans by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

      well, most will want you to buy an additional line of service for the tablet. Anywhere but Sprint you could just use your phone as a hotspot. Sprint want's to charge extra for that (last time I checked) but you could probably get away with it if usage isn't too egregious.

    4. Re:It's partly about data plans by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough you can get a 7 inch cell phone on a regular unlimited data cell plan but I'm not aware of anyone offering data plans for 7 inch tablets at or below the same price.

  10. Verdict? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Desktops still not dead.

  11. Mostly for gaming by DarkEdgeX · · Score: 1

    I use them mostly for gaming. I've found phone screens to be too small, both from a visual perspective, as well as an interface perspective. I couldn't imagine trying to use them for productivity though. Can you get BT keyboards (or use the on-screen keyboard)? Sure, but both typically sacrifice something (appearance, feel, layout) to remain portable. Even laptop keyboards don't feel right compared to a desktop keyboard.

    Having said that, as others have suggested, they do have their limited uses. Watching videos, browsing the web and performing basic tasks (sending an e-mail, updating a spreadsheet, making minimal edits to a document) all fit within reasonable use for them. I also think as their prices come down they will be a basic addition for most people for just those very reasons: performs all of the tasks they can with their phone, but on a significantly larger and easier to see/interact with screen. I know the Galaxy Tab S2 is a natural complement to folks that use the S6 or S7: you can take calls/texts received by your phone on the tablet. I wouldn't be surprised to see similar functionality on iPads for folks with iPhones.

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  12. Re:More Important Things by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1, Informative

    Hell is a place of eternal torment, in which there is no hope of peace or salvation...

    ...or of good free Wi-Fi or more than a bar of mobile phone signal, so your tablets/laptops/smartphones won't be very good there anyway. Oh, and they don't have any wired Ethernet, either.

  13. The Pitch is the Problem by Thyamine · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most people see a tablet and know what they want to do with it, or are surprised when it's better than expected. Only tech reviewers and vendor marketing departments were planning on tablets replacing all those things listed. I bought mine because I wanted a tablet, not a phone replacement or a laptop replacement or an interactive dinner plate/hack du jour. I assume most of it is due to a need to generate sales and page views and all that, but mostly I found it was all fairly silly. I like my tablet because it's a tablet, stop trying to tell me why I _should_ like it.

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    1. Re:The Pitch is the Problem by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 1

      Exactly - why don't they design tablets to be tablets, not a replacement for something else? Phone is a great format when out and about on errands, but at home I like the bigger real-estate of my tablet (Galaxy Tab S2, 9.7), handy to have when watching TV and want to look something up or waiting for a notification, or to noodle around on touch-designed games, or read the news, updating social media for work, etc.. All stuff that would be more clunky with my laptop, and irritating on the phone.

      Plus, for day trips, if I need a light device, this is great in a pinch; longer I'll bring my laptop. (Which ironically I generally use to connect to my desktop.) I'm happy with that for it...rather than trying to squeeze everything into one format, I'm surprised the companies aren't marketing it so you want ALL of them. Which is what happened to me...haha..just don't buy the cheapest option of each and you'll probably do well on all accounts for several years. Desktop is mostly 5+yrs old (tho scooped an SSD drive and USB3 card a year ago), laptop about the same age, phone is getting on 3yrs and tablet is a few months. I'm probably good for another few years if the phone doesn't poop out. =)

    2. Re:The Pitch is the Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The microwave did not replace your thermal oven. I was told for 20 years it would. Same with tablets. I have 4 now. And I still have all my PC desktops, servers, and laptops. /shrug

    3. Re:The Pitch is the Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have not much room, so I chose to have a thermal oven and no microwave oven. Much better than the other way around. It's even slightly smaller than a microwave and doesn't have that fucking sealed door, where mechanical force applied to either pull the handle or push the button makes the oven move or send a shockwave through furniture. I like that about as much as electronic devices that tip over when you push the button to turn them off.

  14. uh, no by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

    "Tablets are a complete mess right now. We can't seem to decide if we want them to replace all of our devices or only a few of them." There is nothing wrong with the tablets, it's the PEOPLE that have problems. If you do web browsing, videos, maybe a game of Angry Birds or Candy Crush, and not much else you go with an Android/iOS tablet. If you do more serious tasks such as office work, video editing, programming, or you play the more "heavier" games, you go with a "cinvertable" tablet running Windows with an Intel Atom processor, and had a detatchable keyboard, or you just get a traditional laptop. What about this is hard to understand?

  15. I saw this when the rush started by Dracos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Tablets were never going to replace anything, they're a flawed compromise between everything else. Manufacturers pushed them in the hopes that they could expand the relevance of the new mobile walled gardens, and the media fueled the hype because blind consumerism. Tablet OEMs who started designing keyboards into new tablets were ahead of the curve.

    Tablets are for consumption, not production. Only now are people realizing this, so their tablet upgrades are laptops or nothing. If you don't need a video clipboard, you don't need a tablet.

    1. Re:I saw this when the rush started by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow. You predicted that an emerging market would peak and ebb? You're the man. Call Warren Buffet. You got a bright future.

      As far as production? How many people do you really think produce? Sure, a lot of people have grandiose ideas when they buy something as far as how fulfilling it will make their lives and how much better they will be for it but if you're even half honest you realize that it's mostly just talk.

    2. Re:I saw this when the rush started by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      "Only now are people realizing this..."

      No, most realized it from the start. It is, in fact, less the case now than it was before.

    3. Re:I saw this when the rush started by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Tablets were never going to replace anything

      False. They actually replaced a lot of things. Computers are just as flawed in many ways, as are mobile phones. e.g. Reading a webpage on a computer is incredibly limiting as is watching a movie, or doing anything practical while standing in a train. Tablets sucked applications out of an existing market. They never replaced any single device but they have replaced many functions.

      You've made the same mistake the summary has. The summary said tablets were originally slated to replace all sorts of devices. This was never going to happen. You're saying tablets are a huge failure and people are returning other devices, they're not, and you admitted it yourself when you said "tablets are for consumption". Consumption happens to also be one of the largest components of any given computer use.

      Computer use is down massively across the board. Tablet sales are down because everyone has one. Not because they were a failure but rather because they were a huge success.

    4. Re:I saw this when the rush started by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, for my mom a tablet (ipad 2) turned out to eventually replace the Windows laptop as her primary/only machine, because she understandably found Windows too difficult/illogical/complex.
      It turned out she could do almost everything she needed (perhaps less efficiently but at least) easily in IOS, with some help from a keyboard dock.
      The only thing she missed was proper file management, so recently I got her a Pixel C tablet, which she also understands enough to do everything, including stuff like word processing/spreadsheets/printing etc..
      I assume many people just don't need to create that much content. And for my mom having to understand/manage not more than 1 "computer" that does "everything" is also a plus, so bye bye laptop.

    5. Re:I saw this when the rush started by Junta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, Point of Sale equipment. Tablets ate a big chunk out of that market.

      I'll say that the PC industry is faring better in new sales that Tablets by a *wide* margin, showing that PC market continues to be driven by upgrades, while the tablet market is generally not seeking better, faster, stronger.

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    6. Re:I saw this when the rush started by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Tablets are for consumption, not production. Only now are people realizing this, so their tablet upgrades are laptops or nothing.

      Most people either didn't even think about this or already knew this. It was only idiot analysts proclaiming the end of the desktop PC, where production happens. I certainly said this years ago, and so did a lot of Slashdot. We knew.

      If you don't need a video clipboard, you don't need a tablet.

      I finally came up with a use case for a video clipboard this year. Perfect timing. With sales in the toilet, the discounts should be spectacular this Black Friday.

      One thing I've been wondering about though. A tablet is basically an LCD panel, right? With a tiny computer and a big skinny battery grafted onto it. Is any manufacturer retaining those features, plus supporting video input? Like with a mini-DisplayPort connector? Is anybody making a tablet that can double as an auxiliary screen for a desktop or laptop?

    7. Re:I saw this when the rush started by Dracos · · Score: 1

      Probably not. Anyone who knows there are 7 to 10 inch standalone LCD screens available knows they can get one for $100 or less instead of paying for a tablet (and only high end tablets would have such a feature). The OEMs want tablets to be as isolated as possible so they have to rely on the cloud and users are mentally primed for SaaS.

    8. Re:I saw this when the rush started by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Anyone who knows there are 7 to 10 inch standalone LCD screens available knows they can get one for $100 or less instead of paying for a tablet...

      I am aware. Point is, I do want to pay for a tablet. I was wondering if I could eke a little more use out of it.

      The OEMs want tablets to be as isolated as possible so they have to rely on the cloud and users are mentally primed for SaaS.

      That about dashes my hopes. Yep, that's what they want. Damn.

    9. Re:I saw this when the rush started by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      Tablets are for consumption, not production.

      Tablets are fantastic for gathering data in the field. Laptops generally suck for this purpose, and phones are usually too limited. The 10" tablet is the perfect data gathering tool in many, many circumstances.

      Usually, there is very little overlap in the usefulness of phones, tablets, and laptops. They each serve certain purposes better than the others. It takes very little imagination to see which is most appropriate for a given objective. Tables are great tools for particular problem domains.

    10. Re:I saw this when the rush started by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't really get this. I get your use case of tablet while travelling - but why not just use my phone. Then I only have one device. Why would I want two ?

    11. Re:I saw this when the rush started by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think there are flawed, like others say they are a niche market, I have a Google Nexus 7 from 2012. I use it for two things an eBook reader and as a hiking map (I use GaiaGps app to download off line maps). I thought I might use in for other things but other than a little convenience web surfing those are the only two apps I ever run.

      It's great for those apps and I'm thinking of replacing it because I upgraded to Android 5 and it doesn't run very well on that version and the gps has issues. But my replacement will only run those two apps. I'd hate to use either on a phone.

      Consumer electronics is such a hype field everyone needs an iPod, flatscreen TV, 3D TV, 4K TV, smart phone, tablet, ebook reader, music streamer, smart car blah blah. Each has it's value I suppose if you have the right use case.

    12. Re:I saw this when the rush started by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i am all for you

  16. Small wonder by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Those things just don't die, I have still iPads 1 and 2 running quite nicely.

  17. Maybe now they can give us wireless charging by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

    GOOD! Maybe now they can give us wireless charging.

    The uUSB port get destroyed in normal usage.

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    1. Re:Maybe now they can give us wireless charging by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      The uUSB port get destroyed in normal usage.

      If "normal usage" means "Can't be bothered to see which side the USB logo is on before jamming it in", then you might be onto something.

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    2. Re:Maybe now they can give us wireless charging by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      So this morning, I go to connect my phone to my desktop to copy over some recent photos when I notice... that... yep, the connector on this particular cable is labelled on the wrong damned side. Heh.

      (I still very strongly suspect that you and I have rather different ideas about what constitutes "normal usage", though.)

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  18. Great Hardware - Bad OS and Software by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    The sensors, screen, processor, resolution can be astounding... ...But getting anything done other than consumption on a tablet or cellphone is a daunting frustrating process, with limited, underwhelming software, and operating systems that can't work, only play.

    No files and folders on IOS.
    No backspace key on the Android virtual keyboards.
    Constant nagging and notifications.
    A culture of constant app spying and insane permissions.
    Devices with operating systems that aren't even supported for 3 years, in spite of reaching the end of Moores Law.
    Utter dependence on the cloud for ordinary things.

    If you have work to do a 1990s desktop computer will eat many modern cellphones or tablets computer for lunch.

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  19. Re: More Important Things by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

    When Yahweh stops by and says "Hi", and I mean physicaly and not just in your mind, let me know. Remember, everybody's religion is the only true religion and its this kind of bullshit that turned me agnostic

  20. What else is new? by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Step 1: Apple introduced the iPad and everybody was desperate to get one because it was the trendy item to have.

    Step 2: people started figuring out what they could do with a handy portable computer.

    Step 3: everybody who had a use for a tablet had one and the sales dropped off to replacement level.

    Any remotely interesting new product is going to grow at unsustainable levels until the market is saturated. Then the growth stops.

    ...laura

    1. Re:What else is new? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      You are missing the step where compact laptops became cost competitive and powerful enough that they weren't a burden to travel with. This made them an extra device for many people.

      Personally, I have a smartphone, tablet, lightweight laptop, and giant desktop. Each does things that the others struggle with. For me, the smartphone would be the first device to go, but I don't see that happening for a while. I do have a compact desktop as well, but that was more of an emergency/contingency purchase.

      There needs to be a level of evolution in tablets for the market to grow; not sure what that will be yet. (I thought that the Corel NetWinder was going to be huge though...)

    2. Re:What else is new? by Octorian · · Score: 1

      You are missing the step where compact laptops became cost competitive and powerful enough that they weren't a burden to travel with. This made them an extra device for many people.

      Definitely this.
      There was a time when everyone got these unwieldy and clunky laptops, that turned out to be as portable as a desktop under everyday circumstances. So when they needed something actually portable, they went out and got netbooks. Then later, as netbooks went out of style and the iPad was all the rage, they went out and got tablets.

      But today, if you're lucky enough to have a laptop that's actually conveniently portable, a tablet doesn't seem to have much use anymore. A good smartphone has the advantage of being on your person all the time. And a good laptop can basically do anything. So what exactly do I need a tablet for? Its not going to be on my person as regularly as a smartphone, and its not going to be as capable as a laptop (that's now similar enough in size/weight).

      That being said, there do seem to be a lot of older (non-computer) people who have somehow replaced nearly all of their "outside the office" computer use with iPads.

    3. Re:What else is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with tablets.. you would need some new kind of input system that would make them non-tablets.

      ar isn't it btw. people don't want to use their phones and tablets even less so to scan stuff just randomly walking around.

  21. The tablet gold rush is over! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    The company says it will focus more on 2-in-1 -- otherwise known as hybrid laptops -- devices moving forward

    Now the tablet-sold-with-a-shitty-bluetooth-keyboard gold rush begins!

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  22. The sweet spot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tablet manufacturers just need to hit that sweet spot that GPU manufacturers have. Create a product that is able to play everything on high and help develop things that need more power to play. We just need to develop new apps that require a lot more overhead that current gen tablets cannot handle.

  23. Re:More Important Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pass. Take your snakeoil eleswhere.

  24. The tablet is dead! by cogeek · · Score: 1

    The desktop PC is dead! Long live the desktop PC! The laptop is dead! Long live the laptop! The tablet is dead! Long live the tablet! Same song, different verse. Tablet's have their own unique use case. The people that thought they were a replacement for laptops are finding out the limitations of a tablet. Tablets will be around for along time just like laptops and desktops that all have their own place.

  25. Re:More Important Things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus Christ tells us that we must be born again

    But only after you die. Lead by example... you first.

  26. No SD Card slot by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    No SD slot is what is keeping me from replacing my old Toshiba Excite 10. My use case is previewing photos from the DSLR on the tablet. Much better than using the small built in screen on the camera. Leave the laptop at home and the tablet is much lighter in the bag.

    Small use case but definitely a demand among photographers.

    Also what happened to the affordable ($300) 10.1" tablets?

    1. Re:No SD Card slot by pjbgravely · · Score: 1

      Can the tablet read RAW or do you set the camera make a RAW and a JPEG? I will have to check on the speed hit using micro SD verses full sized. Right now I just wait to get home to a real computer to check if I got the shot. Anyway great idea.

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    2. Re:No SD Card slot by guacamole · · Score: 1

      Also what happened to the affordable ($300) 10.1" tablets?

      Tablets are already priced fairly.

      One thing you gotta realize is that the tablet manufacturers operate on very thin profit margins. People basically want a tablet that has internals that are at least as good as those of a flagship 500-800USD smartphone but with a great looking BIG screen. But you see, the market for the 600-800USD smartphones is largely driven by telecoms which either offer installment plans, lease plans, or heavily discounted smartphones to people who stick to longish contract plans. Since people will buy pretty much anything as long as you give them credit, that model results in very decent profit margins for the hardware manufacturers and the telecoms.

      On the other hand, hardly any tablets are subsidized by the telecoms. In addition to that, most people don't view a tablet as a "must have" computing device, which results in a quite weak demand. As a result, the prices are already as low as it gets, specially on the Android market. While I can't think of a decent 300USD tablet with a big screen (you're welcome to check out used ones on ebay), there are a few quasi-decent 9-10.5 inch tablets on the market that will cost you less than 400USD. First is the Samsung Galaxy Tab S1/S2 series. If you need just a wifi model with the minimal storage, then those are normally sold under 400USD. They have many tradeoffs and shortcomings, but they do come with a beautiful 10 inch AMOLED screen and sd card slot. Another decent big tablet is the Nexus 9. While it does not use AMOLED screen or sd card, it does have better internals than the Galaxy Tab tablets.

      If you lowered your requirement for the screen size down to 8-ish inch size, then there are actually plenty of tablets for under 300USD. Arguably, the best 8-inch tablet on the Android landscape is the Nvidia Shield K1 tablet. Even though it's almost two year old, it's SoC outperforms Samsung's flagship tablets, and the K1 costs only 200USD. Granted, it was noted that the K1 screen is not as accurate as the Samsung screens, if you care a lot about accuracy of colors on your photos.

    3. Re: No SD Card slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5 years ago multiply 10 inch tablets were available at the $300 price point. Toshiba, Acer, Samsung and Sony had a good 10" tablet. The price for a decent 10" tablet is now at$500 with no as card slot. What happened to the price of tech going down.

    4. Re: No SD Card slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out raw droid pro. Reads all the raw formats that I know of and the dev is responsive. Pay$1.99 for the pro version to help him out

    5. Re: No SD Card slot by guacamole · · Score: 1

      You're exaggerating things a bit. Samsung Galaxy Tab A with 9.7 inch screen and sd card slot sells for under 300USD. Their flagship Galaxy Tab S2 sells for under 400USD. All android tablets start below 400USD. The 500USD tablet you're talking about is probably Apple Air, but that's far from "entry level". Apple's internals are the best right now.

  27. Not Necessarily by laing · · Score: 1

    It's more likely that Microsoft's two billion dollar investment in Dell has something to do with this.

  28. Couch Potatoe Computing by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

    Good for surfing the web on the couch or reading a book. Anything that requires actual work, requires better I/O devices like actual keyboards and mice.

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  29. Only the analysts were confused by Junta · · Score: 1

    We can't seem to decide if we want them to replace all of our devices or only a few of them.

    No, 'we' haven't shown any confusion on the matter.

    The tablet fills the niche of folks who needed 'good enough' compute power in a no-muss, low weight form factor. Analysts and tech media got caught up in the adoption rate by the large untapped market and assumed such a huge surge in sales *surely* meant it was going to supersede personal computers.

    Fast forward to today, tablet sales have flatlined because the 'good enough' market has gotten their devices and there's not much of a drive to upgrade constantly. Phones got a bit of a boost by manipulative service plans 'subsidizing' the cost of a phone every two years, but now that's faltering as carriers move away from that, as people *mostly* weren't upgrading for latest and greatest function, but because they were getting one 'for free' every couple of years and 'hey why not' in that scenario.

    Meanwhile PC sales have certainly faltered, but not as severely. That market is still driven to some extent by upgrades, at least moreso than the tablet market.

    Note that this is bad news for hardware makers and suggests large investments won't pay off in that space, but it does not mean a software developer should ignore the install base.

    Personally, I have a desktop, a 12" windows tablet (lenovo x1 tablet) and a 10" android tablet (yoga tab 3 pro). My desktop is for games that can make use of the high wattage components. My windows tablet is basically general laptop usage, with the option to occasionally rip off the keyboard. My android tablet is the best for reading various media (in part because there is a lack of touch friendly windows applications for reading, in part because the hardware form factor with the smaller screen and the bigger battery oriented in a convient way make it better for holding to read).

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  30. Contrary to What Others Say by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

    My tablet does replace my computer, at home anyway. I use it to Google whenever my curiosity is piqued, I pay my bills online, check my email, read the news, read books, listen to music and occasionally watch video. I rarely use my desktop or laptop computer at home anymore. My tablet is always nearby, all day long.

    If I need to write at length then I might sit in front of my computer but that is rare at home. I do use a computer at work but even then the tablet is nearby playing music with a remote to hand.

    I don't know about you but I would rather give up my home computer than my tablet. Still I can see where most people would not need to buy a new one every year or even every two years like some do with phones. I suspect that might have a lot to so with the drop in sales. Most everyone has a perfectly good tablet already. There is no compelling reason to upgrade.

    1. Re:Contrary to What Others Say by pjbgravely · · Score: 2

      I thought I would use a tablet for everything, but then I found I hardly used it. My 3 screened desktop is just too good at everything. A one app tablet is just a chore to use. switching back and forth constantly. Having everything right there is too easy. The last time my desktop died I didn't even bother getting out the tablet while waiting for the part to arrive.

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  31. Wireless charging is overrated... by Junta · · Score: 1

    Just give me a good magnetically mated copper-to-copper dock.

    This chase after wireless charging through massively less efficient inductive charging is asinine. People didn't *literally* need it to be wireless, they just wanted something that would self-guide and charge and come off easy without thinking about a cable.

    I would love it if Moto Z took their pins on the back and made a 'wireless-like' charging dock.

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    1. Re:Wireless charging is overrated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, it's almost like some company patented magnetically attached power connectors on computing devices and refuses to license that patent to anyone...

  32. Windows tablet by deiksac · · Score: 1

    Bought one (Dell Venue) in 2013 or 14 mainly to have a lightweight deivce capable of connecting to a soundcard a do acoustics measurement, serves perectly well for this. Does a decent job browsing the web, can do most office/mail work, can even do some DTP in case of emergency. Serves well to play video when on the road. After all the time the battery does a good job so I guess it will be at least two more years before I buy a new device.

  33. Re:They have their uses, but in limited situations by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    It hasn't replaced anything

    Sounds to me like it replaced books and your ODBII reader.

  34. They stopped helping people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. get sex. Now that everybody has such a bloody tablet, the 'special' about it is gone. Nobody cares if their potential mate has one or not. So people stop buying them for themselves. Yes, saturation.

  35. Surface Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Two words: Surface Pro

    I think this device points the way forward. My original objection to tablets (the phone-based OS) has proven more durable than even I expected. Consolidation of the OSes seems inevitable, which then allows the apps from both the desktop and phone markets to work on the same device. Sure they will give very different experiences. Once it's possible then those apps will adapt to the new world or go away.

    The Surface Pro has the full desktop OS with touch support. The keyboard is there when you need it and detached when not. And the more capable CPUs used in them eat more battery life... except it's a tablet, not a phone. Get a bigger battery, it's not rocket science. The tablet can host a much bigger battery than a smartphone.

    1. Re:Surface Pro by guacamole · · Score: 1

      Surface Pro is both, a bad tablet and a bad notebook. The keyboard bends like it is made from recycled cardboard and plastics, and the screen is too big, too thick, and too heavy to be used for traditional tablet applications. It sucks as a laptop, because the screen won't stand on the laps without extending the hinge, and it's still too unstable. Windows still remains a garbage tablet OS. And the most shockingly, the damn thing costs at least 1200USD (with the keyboard).

      For the same money, I'd rather get a 2-in-1 convertible with a proper keyboard, like a Lenovo yoga, and a 200USD Android tablet to cover all possible usage scenarios.

  36. Hype Cycle by thisisauniqueid · · Score: 2
  37. Newer better tablets aren't important. by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

    I would say my 10 inch Note is very much worth it. But replacing it with something bigger and better won't do more then this dinosaur.
    IOW, the inital market is gone and now the market is just replacement machines.

    I don't have a smartphone, so I use my tablet for many things. Scan documents. Take pictures of things I am repairing so I know how to put them back together ( :) ). Viewing videos while I'm eating ( amazing how many videos of learning things are out there ), plus putting it next to my desktop while working and using it to read documentation so I have more power on my machine for my development tools.

    I can't imagine a laptop doing many of these things. maybe a chromebook...

  38. tablets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Er pardon me but it's not the public that have killed off tablets its the makers,there are hundreds of not very good tablets about,then you have ipads,but there is very little in between the two,the last decent tablet thatbdidnt cost an arm and half a leg was the nexus lte,since then,prices have gone way up and I don't know about America,but the networks in the eu have murdered the tablet by insisting that anything with bigger than 6. inch screen is a tablet and blocking the use of normal phone Sims and insisting that you have to use a mobile broadband dongle SIM,which are 5 times as pricey for the same mount of data as phone Sims.
    I don't count WiFi only tablets as as real tablets,a "real" tablet has lte,can make calls and send texts just like a mobile phone,in fact a real tablet is just a normal decent speced mobile phone that happens to have a bigger screen.
    It makes me scream that the networks excuse for banning the use of tablets on phone Sims was that they move more data because of the bigger screen !!! And yet we now have mobiles with 6 inch 2 and 4k screens that move an awful lot more data than lower resolution tablets,but can you imagine the outcry if networks tried to up tariff prices for any phone on their networks with higher resolution than 1080hd ?.
    I loved my original galaxy tab gtp1000,but then it was made impossible to use as intended,then I got nexus lte,to use with one particular network,giffgaff,but their service descended to unusable and so I have had to go back to using big screened mobile phones,not because I want to but because various companies have forced me to,so who has killed the tablet idea ?

  39. The Rise of the Tablet PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean we are transitioning from tablets to tablet PCs?
    Was Microsoft way ahead of its time with the tablet PC in 2002?

  40. Tablets need to move to the next level. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Tablets are niche, tablets are useless, bladiblah ... lots of diminishing talk about tablets here.

    Let me offer a different perspective:
    I happen to be an accidental tablet user turned convinced tablet user. I got the HTC Flyer back when it's price was coming down. For programming and fiddling. I ended up carrying it with me every day pretty quickly. 1,5 years ago I replaced it with a 10" Yoga 2. Awesome device. 18hrs battery time and aside from programming and typing the best computer-stuff consumption device ever.

    However, for tablets to gain attention and usage again, they need upgrades:

    1.) Pen input. The HTC Flyer was sort of feasible with its pen, but not quite there yet. iPad Pro shows how it needs to be done, but those are way to expensive - an MB Air is cheaper. ... This will take another generation or two, but when we have affordable feasible pen input with that necessary maximum 20 millisecond delay, we can really start ditching paper finally and for real.

    2.) Storage. The amount of storage on these devices is a joke. A tablet is also a prime media consumption device and as such should have the appropriate storage. 256 or 500GB minimum IMHO. I'm still waiting for that to happen. My trusty yoga falls short in this dept. just as much as any other old tablet for 99 euros.

    3.) Battery time. The Yoga is the only tablet that is truly mobile in that regard and way ahead of anything else on the market. Way over 15hrs of uptime off the grid. Very nice and - IMHO - an absolute minimum must. Any tablet running under 15hrs should be ashamed of itself.

    4.) Ruggedness. A tablet has to survive everyday use. Again, the Yoga is one of those rare exceptions, although even it could do better with an all aluminium back for sturdiness and heat dispersion. The flimsy thin apple devices aren't really setting a good example. Given, you do get a bazillion cases for the apple stuff, because Apple, but that bumps the already steep price of those by another 100 - 150 Euros. Meh.

    5.) Zero-fuss file handling and transfer. Here's where all tablets, including the recent android ones, fail miserably. They all force you to go through a silly amount of hoops, half of which don't really work that well and reliably, to transfer data and files to and from them. Unacceptable. How am I supposed to accept a tablet as a serious device if this doesn't work??

    6.) Repairablility. A tablet device even more than a smartphone lends itself to the idea of being opened for battery or screen replacement or storage upgrade. This needs to come before people use them for really serious stuff, no matter how powerful they are. Sturdy cases with screws and solid repairablity is what's needed.

    7.) RAM. 2 gigs of RAM is silly, and that's a lot by tablet standards. 4-8gigs are minimum for a tablet in regular use and with reliable pen processing. This should be a no-brainer aswell, but tablet vendors have yet to deliver (and no, that MS tablet notebook surface thingie for north of 2000 euros doesn't really count as a tablet as an everyday everywhere universal handheld consumption and computing device)

    8.) Convergence. Last but not least, tablets need to be fully ready for convergence by the next generation - that's just about a no-brainer. Apple is preparing that already in their slogans and, for once, Ubuntu & Aquaris/BQ and Remix/Jide have actually gone ahead and shown how it's done. This has to be a regular thing, also if mobile OSes are involved. I expect tablets to be way more positioned to lead the convergence revolution than smartphones. I'm sure that's going to happen within the next 3 years.

    Bottom line: I love myself a good tablet (as outlined above) and I love the fact that they are basically the upgrade to books, magazines, notebooks and portable TVs/VCRs all wrapped into one. I think they shoudln't go away and have yet to reach their actual potential.

    My 2 eurocents.

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    1. Re:Tablets need to move to the next level. by guacamole · · Score: 1

      2) Of course the industry does not want consumers to have much storage on the mobile devices. They want you to backup your files to the cloud. They want you to pay for the streaming services, for connectivity, and for cloud storage. Finally, having too much storage for "media consumption" is begging for media obtained through P2P sharing, which is not what the industry really wants you to do. Having said that, having a bit of extra storage is not a big issue of Android tablets. Just get one with sd card slot. Nvidia Shield, Samsung Tab A/S2, etc.

  41. growth declining? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they are still selling more than before. Just not more more? (Or morerer, as the technical lingo goes)

  42. Exactely by aepervius · · Score: 1

    I bought mine because I wanted to browse a few stuff on travel, watch a few youtube outside my computer room, like browse in the park, and a small use taking note and maintaining RPG characters (yes paper and pen is better but I can't read my scratches anymore...). Very limited use, but also pretty much I knew what i wanted to do with it.

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  43. Amazing anyway by Humbubba · · Score: 2

    The tablet has some pretty tight bounds, but working within those bounds can make a pretty powerful muscle in its own right. I bought my tablet for about a c note a gazillion years ago, and after playing with it a while, let it collect dust. Then I used it for a TV remote, and for playing podcasts on my 3+ hour commute. Now it has Guitar Tuna, Kodi, a flavor of Python and I somehow got Touch Vim to spell check! It's pretty sweet with a full size Bluetooth keyboard. I even watch internet TV on it. Now, it doesn't do everything - it's stuck on Android 4.4, so no editing files to the external storage, does not have a full featured LibreOffice or other such muscles, and I've given up on mirroring to a larger screen. But when I install VNC, it becomes the on-the-road front end to my other computers. And if that works well, it might inspire me sign up for an AWS/Digital Ocean VC. Imagine using a tablet to control all that muscle! I'm impressed with that tablet more than ever, and plan on getting another. Eventually.

  44. absolutely no need to buy another by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of course it is.
    but it's so quick compared to pc saturation is that there is absolutely no need to buy a new tablet if you already have one.
    and why is that? a new tablet does not get the people access to any new apps, media or use cases for their tablet! so why the fuck would you upgrade a "retina" ipad for a newer one? you don't get any new killer app. the apps don't appear to run faster after they launch, the apps don't look better if you buy a new one - so why would you buy a new one???

    the only reasons for upgrade would be better battery life or higher resolution screen or such, and for most a fullhd 7" is enough anyways. heck, most consumers dont really care for more than fullhd on 15" devices either.

     

  45. Re:They have their uses, but in limited situations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yes.. but the point is that your 6 year old tablet does all the things a new laptop would do.

    you wouldn't gain new use cases by buying a new tablet. so you're not buying another.

    that doesn't mean that there isn't a market for tablets, just that there's less upgrade cycle needed than with some other things.

  46. Because they killed it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They killed the market themselves, by making phones ever larger, and equating size with capability. Smaller phones are always barely-capable budget models now, pushing people who want decent internals to the big phones. The big phones crowded out the smaller tablets--which cost a lot less--leaving only the big/expensive tablets. Most people have either already bought an expensive tablet (and have no desire to purchase another), or just can't afford one. The current market is a direct result of their greed.

    Offer a good small phone, and a good midsize tablet, and keep the prices reasonable (examples: Nexus 7 2013, Moto X 2013, iPhone SE). If that doesn't sell, *then* you can declare the market dead.

  47. My phablet makes it irrelevant by amplesand · · Score: 2

    I never understood the need for a tablet since when the phablets came out. I have big hands and no trouble with large screen smartphones, i.e. phablets.

    I have a 5.7 inch display Samsung Galaxy Note, which does most if not all the tricks a tablet does, and many many more since its a phone too.

    In the end the gold rush was over before I even joined.

  48. Bending moment by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Big brittle screens are going to break far more easily then small brittle screens simply because they have more length to twist over.
    It sucks.
    At least e-ink is starting to get flexible plastic screens instead of glass but they are still rare. LCD tablets with flexible screens may follow in a few years, but until then is you don't treat them like glass the glass breaks.

    1. Re:Bending moment by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      Right. They break more easily because of their size. Until that is changed substantially and users can routinely expect more than five years of good use from a tablet, I've lost interest.

    2. Re:Bending moment by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Size AND having something brittle. Not using glass solves the problem but is a recent development. Here is one but the price is a thing to inspire terror.
      http://ereader-store.de/en/75-onyx-boox-max.html

      There was a much smaller one with a flexible screen and thin sheet steel backing to make it very tough (Wexler Flexone) but I do not know if they are still available.
      Kindle, Kobo etc get a much better licencing deal with e-ink than the small players so everything else looks stupidly expensive by comparison even with the small screens.

  49. Star Trek got it right by grumling · · Score: 1

    Watch the old ST:TNG episodes. See how the LCARS tablets are used. Even as a simple prop it's pretty revealing. They replace paper. PCs replaced typewriters, but not notebooks and printouts. Tablets take care of that. Many of the comments here elude to that fact without actually stating it. The use cases are for viewing photos, reading documents, etc. In a pinch you can create media with them, but just as writing with a typewriter was faster and more efficient than hand writing, using a tablet for composition isn't as good as using a PC running a basic word processing program. Notepad apps are still evolving but I find having a synchronized notebook to be very handy and the use case is very much like the old paper day planners and spiral notebooks, but much easier to edit and organize later on the PC. I can't tell you when I last used a printer, other than to get large photos printed out at Costco.

    Not to mention the low end 7" tablets aren't very good at those functions because the screen isn't large enough, and usually the display doesn't have the necessary color correction or resolution to be effective (including the iPad mini). Earlier this year I picked up a 9.7" iPad pro. The display is fantastic. It makes reading a pleasure. The keyboard is a disappointment, the pencil is just OK, but the display's color gamut and the light temperature sensor are worth it -although most buyers aren't going to notice it until they get it home and use it for a few days, so that's a very hard sell with Apple's markup.

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  50. Well I know what to do with my tablet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For me, tablet is a godsent computing device. I don't want a smartphone because I don't want to be online 24/7, I also prefer the 14 day battery life of my dumbphone. I am on my second iPad now, and find I am using my laptops less and less. The 10" screen is the perfect form factor for me, It always fits in my backpack even with groceries. I have a mobile broadband modem so I get to decide when I want to be online. I have an USB/SD card reader box for dealing with removable media. I have the Apple pencil for using remote desktops which gives me the accuracy of a mouse. If I need a keyboard, I connect my trusty old Lenovo thinkvantage keyboard.

    I never used to mess around with 3D modeling software until the 123D app. The touch UI just makes so much sense for 3D modelling.

    If only there was access to desktop level software - I'd probably sell my laptop. The software is the only thing holding things back. But even as things are now, I am using my tablet every day, and my laptop maybe once a week.

    Tablets make the notion of going to a meeting with a laptop seem anachronistic.

    YMMV as usual, just wanted to give my opinion. I've been using computers since I was a toddler, like most of you fwiw

  51. uhhh.. by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    and yet there hasn't been a decend 10" tablet released with good specs since the Motorolla Xoom or Nexus 10, most have way to large bezels, or have crap big physical buttons(samsung), or are just plain ugly (silver).. Still waiting for a good tablet with a rubberized back (like the Nexus 5, or the top of the Xoom), small bezels, good battery and a decent screen (at least FullHD)..

    1. Re:uhhh.. by guacamole · · Score: 1

      The Samsung Galaxy Tab S/S2 series are pretty decent. I have no complaints about the build quality or design. They use a beautiful AMOLED screen which alone makes me overlook other shortcomings. The button is there, but that doesn't annoy me. The only problem with the Galaxy Tab S tablets is that Samsung puts in them effectively smartphone-grade SoC instead of tablet-grade SoC like in some other Google, Nvidia, or Apple tablets. The Samsung Galaxy Tab S3 is weeks away from being released. It will be interesting to see if Samsung learned anything from its past mistakes.