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Apple Replaces The Pistol Emoji With A Water Gun (cnn.com)

Apple has a announced a number of new emoji changes on Monday, but the most controversial new change is that the pistol emoji will be replaced with a green water gun emoji in the company's upcoming iOS 10 operating system: The water gun swap is not Apple's first foray into cartoon gun control. Earlier this year the governing body in charge of emojis nixed a proposed rifle emoji. It was one of a number of possible new additions, but Unicode Consortium members Apple and Microsoft argued against the Olympics-inspired gun, according to Buzzfeed. Last year, an organization called New Yorkers Against Gun Violence started a campaign to get Apple to replace its version of the pistol emoji. It launched a site, disarmtheiphone.com, and sent an open letter to remove the firearm emoji "as a symbolic gesture to limit gun accessibility." As it stands, Microsoft is the only major software company to use a toy gun emoji instead of a pistol emoji in Windows -- Google, Samsung, Facebook and Twitter all use realistic pistol emojis. Apple's iOS 10 will be released in fall, but you can download the iOS 10 public beta to be one of the first to wield the toy gun emoji.

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  1. I suppose this makes sense by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Fight Social Justice Warriors with a water pistol.

    They're all wet anyway.

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  2. Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5! by oic0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly, what did you guys expect? Apple is an image based company and the image they portray is "hip". Currently in the largest population centers its hip to be super liberal.

  3. I love a nice firearm, but don't really care by ArtemaOne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having an emoji swap doesn't seem to be something that really matters in my life. I have quite a few rifles and handguns, but I don't know that I would have ever even looked for that emoji if it made it on to my phone. Seems more like something a teenager would use to look cool or something.

    1. Re:I love a nice firearm, but don't really care by redmid17 · · Score: 1

      I'm in the same boat. I wasn't planning on looking for it either until I sent the story to my friend and put the gun emoji to the right of an eye roll emoji.

    2. Re: I love a nice firearm, but don't really care by fermion · · Score: 1

      It is simply that most geeks are going to McGyver a bomb if they need to defend themselves. Face it, now that cops are sendin in robot explosives, gun are inadequate

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    3. Re:I love a nice firearm, but don't really care by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I don't really give a crap about emojis but it seems so asinine for them to waste thought and effort on something so totally meaningless. They're obsessed with triviality instead of actually doing something to improve their product.

      Well, it was probably just under a day's work for their font designers. And it probably didn't even warrant any news post for Apple. Except some third party noticed it and made a big deal about it.

      There are probably dozens of things they're doing to "improve the product", but most are hidden from the user and really affect developers.

      And therein lies the problem - people put way too much weight on appearance and superficial changes than fundamental changes.

    4. Re:I love a nice firearm, but don't really care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter to us, but I've got a lot of younger friends and they use a lot of emoji. You wouldn't believe it.
      This change, reformulated in a way to fit in the reference frame of old codgers like me, changes text on the fly, so that when you type ‘water pistol’ it gets secretly changed into ‘gun’ when you send it, and the word ‘gun’ gets secretly changed into ‘water pistol’ when you receive it.
      Who thought this was a good idea?
      This can cause all kinds of misunderstandings. And it calls to mind the automated forum censorship of the late 90s. It was a bad idea then, and it's still a bad idea now, made worse by the fact that the hardware vendor applies it to all sites except just some forum. Words (or emoji) are not inherently good or evil, it's how you discuss them that makes the difference. You cannot say ‘gun control’ or ‘gun safety’ without saying ‘gun’ after all.

    5. Re:I love a nice firearm, but don't really care by houghi · · Score: 1

      I don't like firearms and I would never own one and I ALSO don't care. This is only an issue for a minority of the American public. The rest of the Americans and the rest of the world does not really care an at most think 'nice' and then go on with their lives.

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    6. Re:I love a nice firearm, but don't really care by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I don't really give a crap about emojis but it seems so asinine for them to waste thought and effort on something so totally meaningless. They're obsessed with triviality instead of actually doing something to improve their product.

      It is neither trivial or meaningless. A gun emoji can be a liability issue in a civil suit. As far fetched as that might seem, we do live in the land 'o litigation.

      It really isn't that far fetched either. Someone sends a text message to someone with a gun emoji, and the other person decides it was a threat, so they pre-emptively kill the first person. In stand your ground states, that becomes a test case, and as likely as not, the killer goes free. Then the civil suits start. And you can bet that a sympathetic jury will decide that Apple played a part in the process. Therefore, the deep pockets corporation gets to pay.

      I'd never allow an emoji set to be produced with personal firearms in the first place, and I'm an owner and user of the devices. Being devices designed to kill, they are just too easy to turn into physical threats, real or imagined. And I'd sure as hell never put a firearm in a text, even if I was just saying I was going to the range for practice.

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    7. Re:I love a nice firearm, but don't really care by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It really isn't that far fetched either. Someone sends a text message to someone with a gun emoji, and the other person decides it was a threat, so they pre-emptively kill the first person. In stand your ground states, that becomes a test case, and as likely as not, the killer goes free.

      No, this isn't a test case for SYG laws. There are some legitimate issues about misuse of SYG, but your scenario is not covered under any state's interpretation of it.

      THat's why I wrote that it was a test case. All it takes is a lawyer to present it, and a judge saying they will allow it. If you killed someone who texted you a message and it had a pistol in it, you would use every defense you were allowed.

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  4. Sad by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >"Last year, an organization called New Yorkers Against Gun Violence started a campaign to get Apple to replace its version of the pistol emoji."

    This is really just so sad.

    Oh, there is an "explosion" emoji on my Android- I suppose that should go. And the bomb one too- that is far scarier than a gun. And the one of fire- fire is dangerous and bad. Better throw in the lighting one. Oops, just found one of a knife- that is a no-no. Snakes are scary, make that one a toy snake, somehow.... well, still scary, just make it go away. Wow, there is a syringe- oops, that could be drugs, that should go....

    1. Re:Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But this is guaranteed to backfire. Sure the apple users are just playfully waiving toy guns around and pointing them at people (but only people they intend to get wet.) But in the eyes of everyone else they're playing with dangerous firearms!

      So the use of the gun emoji would be likely to go up if anything...

    2. Re:Sad by maharvey · · Score: 1

      We need a campaign to replace the apple emoji. Someone could choke an an apple. Also apple cider contributes to alcoholism.

    3. Re:Sad by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      To be fair though, kids murdering each other with bombs isn't really a thing. Shooting up their school/college with a gun is though. Aside from anything else, sending someone a gun emoji along with an angry message could be open to misinterpretation...

      Could be interesting when someone with an iPhone sends a water pistol and the recipient see a handgun on their screen.

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    4. Re:Sad by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      To be fair though, kids murdering each other with bombs isn't really a thing.

      Actually, yes it is.

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  5. Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    So when they make a font change like this I'm guessing it changes all past texts retroactively? Or do texts and e-mails embedd the image not the font? Doe they appear differently on different computers and OS? If they changed the the thumbs up emoji to a goatse would it change in all the e-mails I sent to my boss in the past?

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  6. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ..until someone realizes that is insensitive in a state facing a drought. Maybe a foam dart gun would be better.

  7. Mars by SumDog · · Score: 2

    There are people, who are making money, in non-profits and for-profit companies, to advocate/lobby this, implement this .. listen to this. ...

    I'm done. Why are we not on Mars yet? We need a colony on there like thirty years ago. If we took half the effort all the people involved put into crap like this emoji bullshit, who knows .. maybe we'd have fully functional closed oxygen producing ecosystems by now? Technology to make sealed domes and keep out terrible solar radiation? Mars transport ships that can air-break and land?

    I'd be the first to volunteer. Risking death on the journey to a new world would be better than having to read this bullshit every fucking day.

    1. Re:Mars by SpankiMonki · · Score: 1

      Why are we not on Mars yet?

      Because Mars doesn't currently have an open carry law.

    2. Re:Mars by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      There is no law banning either open or concealed carry on Mars. In the absence of laws, everything is allowed.

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    3. Re:Mars by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Because the world governments are built around the philosophy of Hobbes, a religious nut who thought that man had better give up everything to the state and clergy.

    4. Re:Mars by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Why? Does everything have to be his bailiwick?

    5. Re:Mars by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Hobbes gets way too much bad rap for this. Mostly he just wanted to wage war on Calvin.

    6. Re: Mars by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I thought Hobbes was a Calvinist.

    7. Re:Mars by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I don't think a few emails and a web site will get us to Mars. Are you really comparing lobbying for changing a tiny graphic to the effort needed to put a human on Mars?

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    8. Re:Mars by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      There are treaties against both, and nations are responsible for their citizens' actions under the treaty, whether state sponsored or not.

  8. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So grateful to not be hip. It seems hip is synonymous with stupid.

  9. Wingdings, webdings, etc. by vossman77 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe I am old, but did people fight about the cartoons depicted in wingdings. Because as far as I am interested, it is a stupid font on my computer that has no use to me.

    1. Re:Wingdings, webdings, etc. by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      not sure why this is being downvoted he is actually right here. there was controvery that the wingding char set when you type "NYC" was anti semetic

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    2. Re:Wingdings, webdings, etc. by almitydave · · Score: 1

      Maybe I am old, but did people fight about the cartoons depicted in wingdings. Because as far as I am interested, it is a stupid font on my computer that has no use to me.

      Um yes. Death to Jews in New York City.

      not sure why this is being downvoted he is actually right here. there was controvery that the wingding char set when you type "NYC" was anti semetic

      Mod GP up, the Wingdings "NYC" controversy was the first thing I thought of when I saw this. How young are the people on this site?

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  10. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by SpankiMonki · · Score: 5, Funny

    So when they make a font change like this I'm guessing it changes all past texts retroactively? Or do texts and e-mails embedd the image not the font?

    They can pry my previously texted pistol emojis from my cold dead hands.

  11. The word gun is in the headlines! by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    I need my safeplace! SOMEONE TAKE ME TO MY SAFEPLACE!

    In all seriousness, I sincerely hope future historians look back on this time with a sense of amusement and incredulity.

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    1. Re:The word gun is in the headlines! by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      In all seriousness, I sincerely hope future historians look back on this time with a sense of amusement and incredulity.

      Like we make fun of the Spanish Inquisition? Nobody expects a Trump Presidency.

  12. what else gets replaced? by lkcl · · Score: 1

    sooo.... are they going to replace all apple employees with dummies, next? oh wait....

    1. Re:what else gets replaced? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      No, the Autons are going to have a field day with this and replace all Apple employees with plastic soldiers with real guns built into their hands.

  13. Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by gavron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In 1984 Orwell wrote of Newspeak, a language and culture designed to wipe out concepts that were unpopular.

    Apple can remove gun emojis all day long. All that will mean is people's messages to each other won't contain gun emojis.

    It won't change people being killed daily by rogue cops, crazy lunatics, terrorists, or others.

    If Apple wanted to REALLY make a change in violence involving firearms (not to be confused with "gun violence" since guns by themselves aren't violent...) they should take some of their hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars and dedicate it to help stop crazy people from killing other crazy people.

    Note 1: OJ Simpson did not kill Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman with a firearm. He used a kitchen knife -- Nicole's kitchen knife.
    Note 2: The French suicide bomber killed lots of people with his vehicle. Vehicles are available to everyone.
    Note 3: The Newtown school shooting was done by a guy who broke in and stole his mother's weapon (then killed her with it). He was not a "gun owner".

    But yes, do let's remove the emoji. I'm sure we'll never see or hear guns discussed on the news, in the media, on FB, and everywhere else.
    Because emojis or not, ISIS creates a new death every 84 hours. I'm sure the lack of emojis won't change that. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/31/...

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    1. Re:Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      The Newtown school shooting was done by a guy who broke in and stole his mother's weapon (then killed her with it). He was not a "gun owner".

      His mother was a "gun owner" once.

      Once...

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    2. Re:Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by aybiss · · Score: 1

      It might change the idea that it's OK for a little girl to blow away a dude with an Uzi though. Every little tiny thing that will get that through your thick heads is a win as far as I'm concerned.

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    3. Re:Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Censor? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

    4. Re:Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The Newtown school shooting was done by a guy who broke in and stole his mother's weapon (then killed her with it). He was not a "gun owner".

      He was provided access to a gun, and he legally acquired it, borrowing a gun from a family member, then going on a killing spree. The gun nuts make it sound like it was a home invasion of a stranger. The facts support it being a peaceful visit, until he took the gun he was given legal access to and shot his mother.

      Because emojis or not, ISIS creates a new death every 84 hours.

      One death every 84 hours is about the rate which US cops shoot an unarmed person. It's hard to get numbers, but in 2015, cops shot one person every 8 hours. Separating them into innocent and guilty is hard, as is whether they were armed. However, for anyone who believes in the Constitution and rule of law, one should presume them all innocent until convicted.

    5. Re:Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The Newtown school shooting was done by a guy who broke in and stole his mother's weapon (then killed her with it). He was not a "gun owner".

      He was provided access to a gun, and he legally acquired it, borrowing a gun from a family member, then going on a killing spree. The gun nuts make it sound like it was a home invasion of a stranger. The facts support it being a peaceful visit, until he took the gun he was given legal access to and shot his mother.

      Heck, let's pretend it was a home invasion of a stranger - she and all the other people were killed because she owned a gun that was easy to turn against her.

      Also, the argument that everything was fine until the gun became "illegal" is disingenuous because it is so damn easy to turn a legal gun illegal, not to mention that the vast majority of illegal guns were in fact legal until such a simple turn occurred. Anyway, I'm still waiting for the explanation when exactly the gun used in this case became illegal http://www.nydailynews.com/new...

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    6. Re:Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I doubt Apple expect this to prevent crime directly. More obviously and more likely, they are making a statement that they support more restrictions on guns and don't wish to include them in their operating system.

      The more fascinating story here is how butthurt a lot of people are about this. Often they are the same people who hate emoji anyway. I mean, just look at how much you read into it that supported by anything in TFA or any statement made by Apple. I guess the summary kind of hinted at it, but you didn't believe the summary was a true and accurate reflection of the situation, did you? It was clearly designed to prime you for this reaction.

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    7. Re:Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      depends on what that guy did to that little girl, might be warranted

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    8. Re:Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      the spin is strong with you here. he stole the gun from his mother, she didnt give it to him. there was nothing legal about that and only an utter idiot would see what happened as legal

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    9. Re:Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by operagost · · Score: 1

      The Boston Marathon bombers used a pressure cooker as a bomb.

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    10. Re:Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      he stole the gun from his mother, she didnt give it to him.

      Since others have complained about the car analogy, I'll stick with it. Must hit too close to home. If he grabbed the keys to the car, ran into the locked garage, and put the keys in the ignition, did he "steal" the car? It's her car. She didn't give him permission to use it. But he has unrestricted access to the keys and the car, and didn't leave the property with it.

      there was nothing legal about that and only an utter idiot would see what happened as legal

      What was illegal? It is illegal for someone to touch an unsecured gun in their own home? What was the gun law broken, and at what moment was it broken?

      Feel free to use the timeline I saw given: He was at his house (the one that was his legal residence). While his mother slept, he accessed unsecured firearms. He then shot an killed his mother. He then left the house.

      At what point did he break the law, specifically with regards to firearms? If after the murder of his mother, then he acquired the firearm legally, prior to the start of the shooting spree.

    11. Re:Newspeak won't make this planet safer. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The question isn't if they are convicted of anything but whether someone feels their life is in danger.

      The cops storming her home were in danger. Anyone not standing in her home was safe. The video she took showed them outside, in clear view and with a clear shot, and she took none. The cops believed that she wasn't a harm to anyone, and killed her. Sure, they stormed her house with guns pointed at her first, to justify her execution, but she was not a danger.

      Also note, the police refused to move in until they eliminated all 3rd party video. The witness reports indicate the police shot first. The police reports indicate she shot first. No video was allowed, and the police will review/edit and control what gets released.

      It's all about transparency. Why did the cops spend so much time and energy eliminating anyone's ability to see the events from a perspective not controlled by the police?

      Focusing on WHY someone would resort to the use of a gun will.

      But fixing the problem of high crime is seen as not being tough on crime. Tough on crime wins elections, and you do that by manufacturing criminals with silly laws and oppression, then arresting lots of people. So we'll be in a spiral of that until society collapses. Though we bought ourselves another 10-20 years with eliminating TEL, one of the few things actually linked to the spikes of violence (And later decline).

      The point being that law-abiding, non-blacks in the US have very little to fear from the police or normal citizens in respect to gun violence (at least compared to any other country).

      Law abiding Blacks are 5x more likely to be shot by police than law abiding whites. It's not a huge absolute number, but clearly disproportionate.

  14. Just one more reason ... by davidwr · · Score: 1

    ... to get a waterproof i-Device case.

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  15. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by hackwrench · · Score: 2

    Then you'll be glad to know you're so unhip, it's a wonder your bum doesn't fall off.

    Been wanting to use that somewhere in this thread since I read the first post in it.

  16. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by zlives · · Score: 1

    i for one won't be satisfied until they can force correct all mentions of inappropriate things, typed or otherwise.

  17. Walkie Talkie? by zamboni1138 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shouldn't it have changed to a large black early 80's walkie talkie?

    1. Re:Walkie Talkie? by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      I understood that reference!

    2. Re:Walkie Talkie? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

      Ironically, federal agencies are buying huge quantities of ammunition, particularly agencies that have no use for it e.g. NOAA.

  18. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by CODiNE · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Emoji are a system defined font basically. Apple, Google and Microsoft among others do not define the code numbers and meanings, but they do create the images and set a style for the appearance on their systems.

    This means everyone you text that does not have iOS 10 still sees a pistol.

    It means some foolish Apple user is going to send a water gun emoji to someone maybe saying "Let's take the kids to the park" and some non-Apple user is going to call the cops.

    I can't wait to see how this communication breaking move has a real world effect.
    (Hopefully nobody gets shot or swatted)

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  19. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    They can pry my previously texted pistol emojis from my cold dead hands.

    Cold WET hands from now on. It is a water pistol.

    On a side note, I wonder how long will it take for people to start describing it as a water pistol "full of acid" or "gasoline water pistol" or "pee-pistol".

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  20. Remember, if you can't win, censor by cfalcon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you can't win, censor.

    If you don't like reality, do what you can to disrupt the language.

    If people lack the ability to communicate an idea, you've already won.

    If emojis are meant to be speech, then this is ludicrous. If they are not, then this is petty and dumb. There's no excuse for this kind of shit.

    1. Re:Remember, if you can't win, censor by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      in what country is this an issue? sure isnt america. might be where ever isis is however

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  21. Re:I am the only one... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

    No, I fully agree. When you see someone using emoji, it only gives the impression that said person is a moron. Unless, of course, the person is using emoji ironically to mock the morons who use emoji without irony. But anyway, emoji is a cancer and simply should not exist.

  22. Re:I am the only one... by KiloByte · · Score: 1

    Well, in this case they tell you which OSes are toys and which are actually useful.

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  23. Dear Apple and other Safe Space Cadets, by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 2

    Grow the fuck up.

    Sincerely,
    Every normal, well-adjusted, person with a mental age in the double digits.

  24. Re:Guns are a LEGAL PRODUCT by DaHat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And the first person who sends a cute "I'm going to shoot you with my (water-gun emojii) tomorrow!" gets arrested for making a threat because the receiver doesn't have an iOS device will get to sue Apple for creating an incompatible standard which lead to legal issues.

  25. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    or "pee-pistol".

    That's rape, bro.

  26. E.T. shot first by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    3-letter-agents bear walkie-talkies.

  27. Re: Guns are a LEGAL PRODUCT by fermion · · Score: 1

    In some jurisdictions and for some people. In Vermont any maniac can have a gun, as long as they do not wish to harm people. Other jurisdictions way you get one chance to murder people, then you have your rights infringed.

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  28. Re: How about by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    And I think you are both undereducated when it comes to the matter of how the world ruling class works. Both Hillary and Trump are part of a world ruling class that believes that the people are completely incapable of learning to rule themselves and furthermore that any attempt must be undermined.

  29. Re: Bombbot is moot by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

    While the bombbot is an interesting precedence, I am not worried about facing off against the police at any point, ever.

  30. Prediction by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    They changed the pistol to a water gun, and someone will still complain. Mark my words.

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  31. Re:Guns don't kill people... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Don't worry about it. The police will shoot first whether or not that pistol emoji actually turns out to be a water gun emoji.

  32. Emojis, speech by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Emojis are meant to be speech. They are to this era what katakana was legendarily for women, a simplified, easier to read, glyph, because apparently, non-Asians can't handle Chinese, Japanese, and Korean characters creeping into their language use. Or shorthand anymore. Just did a search for "shorthand keyboard", and found results for how to use a variant of Gregg shorthand on your keyboard, but no keyboard or tools containing actual shorthand symbols.

    1. Re:Emojis, speech by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      "Emojis are meant to be speech." Emojis are meant to be cute.

  33. Pop tart by ichthus · · Score: 1, Informative

    They should have replaced it with a pop tart, bite-sculpted into the form of a pistol.

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    1. Re:Pop tart by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      dont say "trigger" thats gun terminology!!!

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  34. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by maharvey · · Score: 2

    Plastic foam is insensitive to the environment. Maybe a spit-wad blowgun would be better.

  35. Re: O'neill by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

    I'd say the one from SG1 where he loved his P90.

  36. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    This has been the source of much confusion and irksome emoji-controversy:

    Unicode itself does not define the rendering of any of its glyphs. For convenience, they provide example documentation on their site; but that is just convenience, it is not normative. This is most obvious with fonts and normal letters: whether it's Times New Roman or Comic Sans is not Unicode's problem; just that it's a "Latin Capital A".

    Emoji fuck this up because they are shoehorned into the same glyph/rendering model; but unlike oddball fonts, which tend to just head toward being illegible or unpleasant, you change the meaning of a pictograph pretty quickly if you deviate too far.

    In this case, if you sent a text containing the pistol emoji it will now, forever, and across platforms; be internally represented as U+1F52B, the codepoint for 'Pistol' in the miscellaneous symbols and pictographs block. What will appear on your screen depends entirely on what font is used; apparently Apple is changing their system default font so that it will now appear as a water pistol. If the same text is viewed on an Android device, apparently it will still show up as a pistol-y looking pistol.

    It's bullshit like this that makes the continued drive to shovel emoji into Unicode such a clusterfuck. Yeah, it was a necessary evil when cleaning up the Japanese legacy handset market(just like a lot of other weird stuff that has been included over the years in the attempt to hasten the demise of horrid legacy encodings); but Unicode is not an image format, nor is it intended to be, so it's not a very good fit for situations where details of rendering matter; and when the glyphs involved also push various buttons (as in this case with guns; or the last Apple/emoji/Unicode controversy over the racism of the default 'smiley face' being a yellow color on iphone) it just leads to a lot of deeply unproductive shouting.

    If people really want to send goofy little pictures to one another; and emoticons aren't good enough, we already have good mechanism for doing that: We call them "image formats". They are these crazy standards that allow you to fairly precisely define exactly what you want the picture you are sending to look like, it's pretty cutting edge.

  37. Re: Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Never Mind The Bollocks....

  38. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Why do that when you can demand that Unicode version N+1 include new codepoints for each of those; or even go all the way and define some new "emoji modifiers" so that the user can specify water pistol + fluid it is filled with for hundreds of distinct combinations!

  39. I'm just waiting by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

    for the Bill Clinton and blue dress jokes.

    1. Re: I'm just waiting by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I'm just waiting for the Hillary half dollar. But hopefully she won't be elected.

  40. Is it politically incorrect by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

    to call it a twater-gun?

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  41. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    On real computers, fonts can be changed from system defaults, overridden on websites, etc. if the user so desires. Does iOS support just changing to the font of your choice and calling it a day?

  42. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lets fix the real problem: the conditioning people've gone through that makes them think calling cops over a chat program image is rationally justified.

  43. Dear Apple by theblkadder · · Score: 1

    Please go fuck yourself.

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  44. Re:wtf by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

    "he legally acquired it, borrowing a gun from a family member" Holy hell dude. He killed her and stole it. What is wrong with you?

  45. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by Urinal+Pube · · Score: 2

    A spit-wad blowgun is insensitive to people with asthma. Maybe a rubber band stretched over a finger tip would be better.

  46. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by exomondo · · Score: 2

    Insensitive to amputees. Try again.

  47. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 1

    The next internet debate. Is that "water" blue or gold?

  48. Re: How about by unrtst · · Score: 1

    Both Hillary and Trump are part of a world ruling class that believes that the people are completely incapable of learning to rule themselves and furthermore that any attempt must be undermined.

    Assuming that's true (and I'm not arguing), maybe that notion is correct.

    In the US, we had some pretty discriminatory laws not too long ago. However, in the very early years (which weren't all that long ago), the right to vote was restricted to land owners (and further restricted to white males, etc). The land owner restriction did have a good argument for existing - only those with a significantly invested interest could vote, and they were likely to be somewhat educated because they owned land, blah blah blah. It was a way of preventing a massive amount of ignorant people from screwing up an otherwise good voting system. That lasted 52 years (or more in many states)!

    There's lots of things that were wrong about those systems (ex. IMO, as a starter, woman and all races should have equal rights with those white males), but that notion that there are people that may not have enough sense to be voting.,.. we all know there's some sense to that, but we're not sure how to draw that line. In the US, it's still not a democracy; we're a republic. The presidential race is decided by the electoral college, not the popular vote; representatives decide many other votes, not the popular vote.

    I'm just glad we have 3 branches of government, and it's very difficult for any one president to change very much within one or two terms. Hopefully the chaos will balance itself out :-/

  49. Re:wtf by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    How did he kill her with it before he acquired it?

    No, the timeline is that he was in his house, with access to firearms. Legally acquired one, and then shot his, probably sleeping, mother. He didn't "steal" it. It was unsecured in his home. Do you steal a cup from your wife every time you make coffee? No, objects in the family home are accessible to all, and not a crime to touch.

    Adam Lanza broke no firearms laws in acuiring the firearms he went on the spree with.

    Also note the OP's "broke in" phrasing. He "broke in" to his legal residence? That's silly.

  50. Ho-hum by jandersen · · Score: 1

    OK, so this is news-worthy? As opposed to about a million items in technology and science that have more impact on our daily lives? Shall I post something about how I have grown a pumpkin in my garden by means of an amazing collection of technology called "garden tools"? It's bound to reverberate through the news media, no doubt about it.

    1. Re:Ho-hum by LightNecromancer · · Score: 1

      Since their sales figures are dropping, they need other news :)

  51. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I remember when it started to come out (this time around).. It seemed to be very manufactured, even commercially at that. I was never into it or even knew people who were and reminded me of the scene in Life of Brian where the crowd chants in unison Yes, we're all individuals. Yes, we're all different. Then it spread onto the internet six years later and groupthink took over and the internet became boring.

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  52. Republic vs democracy???? by cbraescu1 · · Score: 1

    In the US, it's still not a democracy; we're a republic.

    Why on fucking earth so many Americans insist on this idiotic claim that somehow democracy is the opposite of a republic?

    The opposite of democracy is AUTOCRACY.

    The opposite of a republic is MONARCHY.

    That's why we can see:
    - democratic monarchies: UK, Netherland, etc.
    - democratic republics: France, USA, etc.
    - autocratic monarchies: Saudi Arabia, Brunei, etc.
    - autocratic republics: Syria, Sudan, etc.

    Please stop spreading cretinous claims.

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    1. Re:Republic vs democracy???? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Then explain why the word "democracy" was such a loathsome word to the founders of this country. Back then to call a person a "democrat" was an insult.

    2. Re: Republic vs democracy???? by Gonoff · · Score: 1

      I wish these gun fearing freaks...

      If you mean people trained how to use firearms when in uniform and consider the idea of armed civilians worrying, you have my attention.

      would go establish their own country.

      Australia is a lot bigger than the US. The UK has been around a lot longer.

      It wouldn't last long of course. It'd be too easy to invade with an unarmed population too fearful to stand up for themselves anyway.

      People have been trying it for a long time now. Our last successful invader was William of Orange in 1689. That is when we got rid of the "Divine Right of Kings" and had a constitutional monarchy. The French and the Germans have tried since and failed. The Soviets thought we would have a revolution and they were wrong too.

      A civilian populace arming itself to promote freedom is like a bunch of teenagers stocking up on condoms to promote chastity.
      Any violent revolution will have a nasty aftermath against the populace. This has held true since ancient history and still does.

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    3. Re:Republic vs democracy???? by unrtst · · Score: 1

      Why on fucking earth so many Americans insist on this idiotic claim that somehow democracy is the opposite of a republic?

      Where the fuck did I say that it was the opposite?

  53. I see communicaiton problems by drolli · · Score: 1

    A: You threatened me with death! (Pulls out his Samsung phone)
    B: No, I didn't (Pulls out his ihphone)

    1. Re:I see communicaiton problems by speedplane · · Score: 1

      Oh the sore thumbs that will ensue! Apple, what have you done!

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  54. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    where the crowd chants in unison Yes, we're all individuals. Yes, we're all different.

    "Think different", while you all use the same non customizable phone and laptop as every other "different thinker".

  55. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Sure you can change it. But the point is if you change the emoji then you change what is being said.

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  56. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    However there is being liberal than there is being crazy liberal.
    The type of liberal where any idea that falls under the conservative category must be stopped.
    Changing from a real gun to a water gun changes the meaning of the message. What if Apple changed the word "Samsung" to "Cheap 3rd party ripoff".
    People are going to have different opinions and to many people a gun isn't an image of violence. But a tool and a symbol of freedom. To change that image to a water pistol is infringing on free speech.

    I am not a gun nut. I don't own any guns and I support proper gun regulations. However you can't block free speach by changing a picture, but you change the meaning of past speach and that is wrong.

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  57. Re:Only LUDDITES use guns. by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Apps don't app people, appers do.

  58. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Seems like being conservative is being rather over-sensitive about everything. It's an emoji, a think you are supposed to hate anyway because those damn kids and their phones, and Apple took a position you disagree with. No need to get all indignant about it.

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  59. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    Exactly. And this is now going to be problematic when someone on an Apple device sends a message saying 'I'm going to shoot you with a U+1F52B,' to a user of another system, who will see 'I'm going to shoot you with a {glock image}' and not 'I'm going to shoot you with a {waterpistol image}'. It's a nice case study of why Emoji in unicode are a brain-dead idea. What was wrong with the MSN Messenger convention of [[water pistol]]? If a client had an image that corresponded to the string 'water pistol' it could show it, otherwise it would show the text and the user could figure it out.

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  60. It's the wrong way round! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    If the image on the article is anything to go by, they're also pointing it in the other direction. That's going to screw up the meaning of my threatening emoji strings in two ways!

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  61. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I don't have an iDevice, but from googling around it appears that the answer is no. You can't even change the font, not that you can do that on Android either without additional software and root.

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  62. Re:wtf by ArtemaOne · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're just lying. Outright lying.

  63. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by michelcolman · · Score: 1

    It means some foolish Apple user is going to send a water gun emoji to someone maybe saying "Let's take the kids to the park" and some non-Apple user is going to call the cops.

    Could be the other way around, though. If you see a bunch of arabs jumping out of a car near a large crowd and shooting water pistols, thank Apple.

  64. What a bunch of pussies. by sabbede · · Score: 1

    Sorry for the language, but this is some weak-ass bullshit.

  65. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

    Honestly, what did you guys expect? Apple is an image based company and the image they portray is "hip". Currently in the largest population centers its hip to be super liberal.

    Yeah, they're taking a bold stance against guns, except when guns make them money.

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  66. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    +1 Informative.

    > but Unicode is not an image format,

    You nit the nail on the head!

    > They are these crazy standards that allow you to fairly precisely define exactly what you want the picture you are sending to look like, it's pretty cutting edge.

    Unfortunately Unicode is slowly becoming hijacked where they start adding every image under the sun. If we're going down that route, then why not add every concept, noun, verb, to Unicode then?? I mean if it worked for hieroglyphics and partially for Chinese then why not just finish the job of cannibalizing Unicode?

  67. Re: How about by ganjadude · · Score: 1

    why would you assume just because someone is sick of the SJW over reach they support trump??? thats idiotic

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  68. Re: Guns are a LEGAL PRODUCT by ganjadude · · Score: 1

    why would you consider them a maniac if they dont plan on harming anyone? The maniac is the person scared of an inanimate object

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  69. Finally by LightNecromancer · · Score: 1

    I feel safer already!

  70. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    There really needs to a far more standardization on emoji. The as explained in this XKCD argument our speach and communication has been moved to more of a visual form. Our standard text (Much like this) is designed for more formal expression of ideas and knowledge. Where it recommends that people sit down read it, think about it for a bit and respond to it, learn from it, or flat out reject it. Emoji are part of the new mobile text communication. Short burst of communications meant to get attention express an immediate or emotion.
    Even if the Apple Smiley face seems a little happier than the Chrome Smiley face. Than the expression of the idea is different.

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  71. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by mlk · · Score: 1

    The emoji is part of the unicode standard. You send U+1F52B [ http://emojipedia.org/pistol/ ], and each platform will display using it native font rending engine.

    Yes they appear differently on different platforms. But also as they are unicode you can include them in URLs.

    > If they changed the the thumbs up emoji to a goatse would it change in all the e-mails I sent to my boss in the past?

    Same as if they changed all the Is to look like little dicks. Or if you changed the font on your bosses computer to a font that used pictures of dicks for each of the letters.

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  72. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by mlk · · Score: 1

    Yes. At least two, a red on and a green one.

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  73. Re:Reality by ganjadude · · Score: 1

    where do you live that this is a problem? chicago???

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  74. Paper Planes by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Now how the hell am I supposed to emoji the lyrics to paper planes?!?

    "All I wanna do is [squirt] [squirt] [squirt] [squirt] and a $$" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

  75. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by operagost · · Score: 1

    Because the progressives don't make a big fuss over microaggressions, safe spaces, and trigger warnings.

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  76. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    However there is being liberal than there is being crazy liberal.

    The type of liberal where any idea that falls under the conservative category must be stopped.

    Changing from a real gun to a water gun changes the meaning of the message.

    Okay - you are correct, but also missing one important point. Liability. It isn't that difficult to get shot and killed here, whether it is from stand your ground laws, or traffic stops. Or from just pissing someone off. So in this land of litigation, it is well within the possibility that someone might see a pistol emoticon, decide they are under threat from the sender, and dispatch them with extreme prejudice.

    And while a court case is likely to exonerate the killer, the resulting civil suits might find the jury willing to extract from the deep pockets of Apple, a monetary compensation for the dead person's family.

    It's a weird place we live in, and don't for a minute think that my bizzare scenario won't ever play out. And from what I have seen, conservatives use the court systems with as much panache as do liberals.

    People are going to have different opinions and to many people a gun isn't an image of violence. But a tool and a symbol of freedom. To change that image to a water pistol is infringing on free speech.

    That is a little far fetched. It ends up arguing for the inclusion of every possible emoticon in order to avoid infringing free speech. Does this mean the producers of emoticons must include little KKK hoods? Besides, nothing is stopping a person who really wants to show their love for a pistol from including a little picture of one with every text.

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  77. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Honestly, what did you guys expect? Apple is an image based company and the image they portray is "hip". Currently in the largest population centers its hip to be super liberal.

    Yeah, they're taking a bold stance against guns, except when guns make them money.

    Pssst..... everyone, it isn't "libtards against guns" - its liability. Sweet Jeebuz in a smartcar, when an emoticon becomes a second amendment flashpoint, perhaps it isn't the "libtards" that have a really big problem.

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  78. Sure it is by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

    "the most controversial new change is that the pistol emoji will be replaced with a green water gun emoji"

    In the US maybe, but no one else on the planet gives a crap.

  79. Re:wtf by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Just, no. I have not given my children permission to use my car -- in fact, it's prohibited in all cases except when I expressly allow it for a specific purpose and duration. Anything else is theft, and yes, I could press charges if I wanted to. It sounds like you're either a self-entitled child, or a very irresponsible adult.

  80. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All my ancestors died during the Irish potato famine you tactless bastard.

  81. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Because the progressives don't make a big fuss over microaggressions, safe spaces, and trigger warnings.

    The kook section sure does! And that is why I mentioned the RNC. Their fear is now codified as the position of the party.

    Which is to say that the left wing kooks are a small portion of the Democrats. Noisy and obnoxious, acknowledged but not particularly powerful.

    Which is to say the Right wing kooks now run the Republican party. Noisy and obnoxious, and in total control

    Its why the Veterans of Foreign Wars are now your enemy, because a Gold Star mother is an acceptable target for your official kookiness.

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  82. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by MercTech · · Score: 1

    Rubber bands are micro-aggression to those who have latex allergies.

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  83. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    I'm willing to make an exception for the original batch of emoji: unicode has plenty of other miscellanious symbols and dingbats and the custom of adding specific chunks of 'bad unicode practice' characters in order to facilitate the demise of legacy encodings is a longstanding and accepted one.

    Beyond that point, though, things descended into insanity. Unicode already has a nearly hopeless task(encode all the symbols used in natural langages, plus some other math, phonetic, etc. stuff? That is...ambitious.); and its design is really best suited to alphabet-based languages and technical stuff with restricted symbol sets, which are effectively alphabets without a natural language. Character-based languages and ones with a need for digraphs and ligatures and such are more difficult and complex; but some major world languages qualify, so they are worth the effort. Pictographic stuff is a just plain lousy fit for Unicode's glyph/rendering concept, since the glyph and the rendering aren't really easy to separate when dealing with pictographs. You can get away with it for largely static pictographic symbol sets(various dead languages, Egyption hieroglyphs, Linear A and B, etc. have been included for the convenience of scholars in those areas; and it isn't elegant but you don't have somebody demanding a new glyph every ten minutes so it's largely inert); but for 'living' pictographic applications, especially ones with both a constant parade of new proposals and various hot-button demands for changes(guns, skin tones, assorted family representations, etc.) Unicode is a terrible fit and the task is essentially unbounded.

    I don't know if the better approach is something along the lines of the one you describe, with a specially tagged string that gets a picture if available or is displayed as a fallback if not; or whether an image-based approach for the standardized embedding of small PNG images in text streams(or something to that effect, I leave the question of best implementation to the experts) is the better way to go; but Unicode sure as hell isn't the correct answer.

    I imagine that the problem is complicated by the fact that a lot of emoji are transferred in situations where the message might go over one of the newer, fully IP based, messaging services; but also might end up being shoved into an SMS/MMS(and possibly both, if you send a message to multiple people who are receiving it on different devices with different service plans); so some of the more flexible and architecturally sane options would work fine on the newer messaging mechanisms; but if you want little pictures in SMS overloading Unicode is certainly cheaper than having a message with some emoji in it end up being broken into a bunch of MMS messages(each billed separately and typically at a higher rate than SMS) and then reassembled.

    The fact that SMS needs to die is a separate issue; but I suspect that it isn't helping in this case.

  84. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    No it doesn't. It argues against changing existing emoticons after they have been released, and your attempt to claim otherwise reveals your true intentions.

    Seriously, if this raises your blood pressure because your rights as stated in the constitution are being egregiously violated, you should either take Apple to court, or find more productive things to do with your life. Like just about anything including trimming your nose hair. My limit of interest is just about exhausted, other than to point out that we might move the conversation to how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. It's just about that important. But hey, feel free to sue Apple for infringing on your first and second amendment rights.

    So have fun, and be glad that emoji are on your outrage meter. That means you are living a pretty stress free life.

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  85. Re:wtf by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Then prove it. What statement was a lie? What is the truth? The "lie" is that I'm giving a truth you don't want to hear. Nothing more.

  86. Re:wtf by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Anything else is theft, and yes, I could press charges if I wanted to.

    Nope. Define "theft". Points for using one of the many legal definitions available online.

  87. Re:wtf by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

    Prove it? Your pants are on fire!

  88. A really bad idea by allo · · Score: 1

    This is a really bad idea, if you consider what emoji are.

    Emoji are the idea, not to send tiny graphics, but to have a standard codepoint for smileys. Everyone can implement them and use their icon set for display. Either to have a strong brand, or to allow users to theme them or just because they have no rights on the graphics from other vendors.

    Now there already were problems. Take the pistol icon, which had the problem that it had different directions in different sets. I do not know which set it was, but let's assume its apple vs. google.
    Now they take it a step further and apple replaces the pistol with a water gun, while google did not yet do this.

    Here a smiley example:
    (smiley)(pistol)(female smiley)

    Apple interpretation: I shoot with water on my girlfriend (and we have fun)
    Google interpretation: I shoot with a pistol in my head where she's there (maybe because we have trouble)

    Considering, that smileys were the idea to convey emotions words cannot, its not only silly to have smileys for objects, but even more stupid to use non-matching icon sets. Remember the hairy heart trouble?
    https://www.engadget.com/2014/...

    Even the unicode consortium recommends to find better long term solutions:
    http://www.unicode.org/reports...

    > The longer-term goal for implementations should be to support embedded graphics, in addition to the emoji characters. Embedded graphics allow arbitrary emoji symbols, and are not dependent on additional Unicode encoding. Some examples of this are found in Skype and LINE—see the emoji press page for more examples.

  89. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by exomondo · · Score: 1

    We'll add sarcasm tags for you next time.

  90. Re:Guns are a LEGAL PRODUCT by exomondo · · Score: 1

    And the first person who sends a cute "I'm going to shoot you with my (water-gun emojii) tomorrow!" gets arrested for making a threat because the receiver doesn't have an iOS device will get to sue Apple for creating an incompatible standard which lead to legal issues.

    If that were to actually happen then obviously the problem is with US society. Let's not even get into the fact that Apple is not creating a standard here, nor is it incompatible or even debating the merit of the representation, I could set my font to wingdings and that would likely cause me to misinterpret everything anybody sends me. But the point here is that your society is so shitscared that sending or tweeting ::gun:: ::bomb:: ::knife:: can get you arrested. You could get away with that in China or Russia...if North Korean's could tweet they could probably get away with it for fuck sake. The problem is that terrorism has gotten the US so scared that that sort of oppression has been normalized and you are demonstrably more worried about the possibility of accidentally tweeting that and getting arrested for it than you are about the fact that being arrested for that is completely fucked up.

  91. Re:wtf by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    You won't even specify which statement you think is a lie. Pathetic attempt at a troll. Next time, indicate what you object to. None of it is a lie. It's all true, according to published accounts of the events. That you don't like it, doesn't make it false.

    And it can't be a lie, because that's the account I've heard and believe. At "worst", it's a mistake or error. A lie requires knowing it's wrong, and spreading it anyway. I'm just summarizing the news and Wiki entry about it. Someone may have lied to them, but I'm not lying, even if spreading someone else's lies. Go fix Wikipedia, and the news reports.

  92. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    That does sound a lot more elegant...

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  93. Re:Change history Commrade? Da or Nyet? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    I don't have an iDevice, but from googling around it appears that the answer is no. You can't even change the font, not that you can do that on Android either without additional software and root.

    Actually, Googling for "change emoji font" seems to work without root on (some) Androids - at least when you change to iPhone emojis, or so the title of the most of the first couple hits suggest.

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  94. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Who was it again that said "Conservatives always say that "Political Correctness" is about people being over-sensitive to words - but mention "holidays" in December and you are waging a War Against Christmas.

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  95. Re: Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    Apple changes a gun to a water pistol and conservatives are the over "sensitive" ones?

    You are right - they didn't say anything back when Microsoft changed it to a ray gun in 2012 - odd that they changed it back just when this story broke.

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  96. And Microsoft goes the other way by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1
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  97. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Normally I'm quite liberal and a strong supporter of free speech, but... Christmas should be banned. The forced merriment and endless playback of Now That's What I Call Xmas 2003 on repeat is tantamount to torture and a clear violation of the Geneva Convention.

    I'm not even joking, I really hate Christmas.

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  98. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

    Pssst..... everyone, it isn't "libtards against guns" - its liability. Sweet Jeebuz in a smartcar, when an emoticon becomes a second amendment flashpoint, perhaps it isn't the "libtards" that have a really big problem.

    I really don't care what Apple does with its emoji. But do you seriously think it's going to make any difference in liability when students get kicked out of school for biting pop tarts to make a "gun" shape? Hoplophobia is out of control in this country.

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  99. Re:Silicon Valley Companies are Liberal, more at 5 by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Pssst..... everyone, it isn't "libtards against guns" - its liability. Sweet Jeebuz in a smartcar, when an emoticon becomes a second amendment flashpoint, perhaps it isn't the "libtards" that have a really big problem.

    I really don't care what Apple does with its emoji. But do you seriously think it's going to make any difference in liability when students get kicked out of school for biting pop tarts to make a "gun" shape? Hoplophobia is out of control in this country.

    I thohught it was fear of Pop Tarts - Hell you see what one of those does if you leave it in the toaster too long? But semi seriously, I Kellogs getting sued is far fetched. Or then again, maybe not.

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  100. Re:wtf by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

    Does this work (from dictionary.law.com)?

    theft

    n. the generic term for all crimes in which a person intentionally and fraudulently takes personal property of another without permission or consent and with the intent to convert it to the taker's use (including potential sale).

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  101. Re:wtf by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Yes, that works. "Convert" means "become legal owner of". So if you "steal" someone's car for a joyride, and leave it broken by the side of the road when you are done, that's not actually theft. That's why GTA was invented (the criminal charge, not the game). It's simply not theft. It may be auto-theft, a non-theft crime with "theft" in the title, but it isn't theft.

    If the son took the car to sell it to steal the money from the sale, it's theft. But just because a person is banned from using your things doesn't mean that temporary use of them is "theft".

    Your definition exactly matches what I said. An actual law may have made it more clear.

    http://www.statutes.legis.stat...
    "A person commits an offense if he unlawfully [transfers the title of] property with intent to [withhold property from the owner permanently]."

    That's the uniform definition of theft. I just like using TX laws because they are all online, and easily searchable.

  102. Re:wtf by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

    I think it could be argued that since he killed his mom, Adam took the gun with the intention of permanently withholding it from her. Would that not constitute theft?

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  103. Re:wtf by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Would that not constitute theft?

    It would not. He didn't "take" it at that point. It was still under the owner's control. It was not theft until after the first murder. Back to the car analogy, if you took the keys for the car, with the intention of stealing the car later, did you already steal the car because you have the keys to it and "want" to take it later? She left the gun unsecured in her house. At the time of her death, the gun was unsecured in her house. It's hard to say Adam stole it when the item was still in the same condition as she left it. Like a car in the garage. It's not "stolen" until it's removed. And as the owner was dead, there was nobody to steal it from. As her heir, it seems like he would be the likely owner after her death.