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Netflix CEO: Movie Theaters Are 'Strangling the Movie Business'' (businessinsider.com)

Netflix CEO Reed Hastings thinks the state of film is a "real tragedy" and that movie theaters are "strangling the movie business," he said at The New Yorker's Tech Fest on Friday. From a Business Insider report:On Friday, Hastings came down hard on these theater owners, saying there had been no innovation in the movie theater business in recent years, even as TV has been shaped by the rise of cable and internet networks. "Money" and "innovation" has flooded to the TV industry, Hastings said. Not so with film. The movie theater business has seen flatline revenue, Hastings said. Part of the problem is that small movies, such as many Netflix has snagged from places like Sundance, would be better distributed both at home and in theaters. That's a convenient position for Netflix to take, but Hastings said the movie studios feel the same way. Each movie studio would like to "break the oligopoly" of the theaters, but "they don't know how," he continued. If they collude to face the theaters, it's anti-trust, but if they are the ones to take the first step, their films will get killed. That means they just go along with the status quo.

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  1. Movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's all a bunch of teenagers kicking the back of your seat and smacking gum and talking on phones. I'll pass.

    1. Re:Movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are 18+ movie theaters. They're basically all that's worth going to anymore.

    2. Re:Movie theaters by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are 18+ movie theaters. They're basically all that's worth going to anymore.

      I'll second that. The food and drink they serve may be over priced (but you don't have to eat or drink), but the larger seats and leg room and lack of annoying kids is a huge draw card.

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    3. Re:Movie theaters by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmm... and I can have all that an non-overpriced food at home, along with no parking fee and the movie actually pausing whenever I want to take a piss (at a toilet that's not smelling like a sewer and where I don't have to wait for 10 minutes for my turn)... so what exactly is the benefit?

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    4. Re:Movie theaters by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Movie theaters had their reason to exist when they offered an added value over what you could have at home. That ceased to exist. Big screen? Have it. Dolby 7.1? Have it. 3D? Glad I don't have it. What else is there?

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    5. Re:Movie theaters by MooseTick · · Score: 2

      "Movie theaters had their reason to exist when they offered an added value over what you could have at home."

      The demise of video game arcades and video rentals outlets like Blockbuster may be a foreshadowing of the future of movie theaters. That said, its still a good place to go for a date if you don't want to talk and sit in the dark together.

    6. Re:Movie theaters by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Informative

      > People with AR-15's spraying bullets up and down the aisles?

      You're more likely to get hit by lightning while spontaneously getting 3 different rare diseases.

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    7. Re:Movie theaters by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      Hmm... and I can have all that an non-overpriced food at home, along with no parking fee and the movie actually pausing whenever I want to take a piss (at a toilet that's not smelling like a sewer and where I don't have to wait for 10 minutes for my turn)... so what exactly is the benefit?

      Well if you really want to see a movie on its release date there are not many legal options.

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    8. Re:Movie theaters by shaitand · · Score: 2

      Your home theater is a better place. Public theaters aren't dark enough or empty enough to do anything but watch the movie.

    9. Re:Movie theaters by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is pretty much the topic of this whole thread.

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    10. Re:Movie theaters by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Frankly, if I want to invite someone to a dark play for a date, I have a basement. I'm European, and I'm kinda traditional...

      But seriously. Yes, movie theaters will probably eventually go the way of game arcades. Less the video rental places, but the arcades. Some arcades actually survived by offering non-standard games that you can't simply play at home on your XBox and PS4. Games with special controllers or display system. Games that required lots of room to play them, or games that are only fun if you can use them to show off. That allowed some arcades to survive. And I would say that movie theaters have the same chance. They, too, can survive if they specialize on gimmicks and experiences that cannot be simply created at home.

      How? If I knew, I wouldn't write it here but instead sell an idea like that...

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    11. Re:Movie theaters by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Even then, you still get stupid adults who think they are on-call brain surgeons who cant leave their comms device off for a solid two hours.

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    12. Re:Movie theaters by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Funny

      >> There are 18+ movie theaters

      Paul Ruebens, is that you?

    13. Re:Movie theaters by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But according to TFA (the friendly article), . . .

      > Each movie studio would like to "break the oligopoly" of the theaters,

      Yeah, right. If that were true, then the studios would EMBRACE online streaming instead of trying to hold it back in every conceivable way.

      Hey dinosaur studios, here's an innovative idea: Try releasing one of your good films to online streaming FIRST -- even with a rental price, like on Amazon. And maybe several of you do the same. Then let's see if the theater owners come begging to you to show at their theaters first. Choosing where to release your movies first is not anti-trust, it's just good business. Getting with the modern age. Advancing into the 1990's, etc.

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    14. Re:Movie theaters by harperska · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not all shootings are equal. The probability of being killed in a terroristic mass shooting in particular is very low, despite the media's obsession with covering that particular type of shooting.

    15. Re:Movie theaters by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      One more thing I'll add. Tell the theater owners that due to release windows, the movie must first show on Amazon for 90 days before it can be released to theaters. See how they like the shoe on the other foot.

      I remember something about the Goose and the Gander having compatible ports, where no adapter is required to use the same cable on either one. Or something like that.

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    16. Re:Movie theaters by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      It's all a bunch of teenagers kicking the back of your seat and smacking gum and talking on phones. I'll pass.

      YMMV, and it all depends on where you go. Go to a shitty theater in a shitty neighbor? Then you'll get a shitty experience.

      I for one avoid those, and take my kids to really nice ones. This is one of my favorites in the western (better) part of Broward County, FL, which is build as a theme park (see image). My kids go crazy there.

      My kids went in awe when I took them to watch Kung-Fu Panda 3 and Finding Dory. Sure, they can (and will) watch them again at home in DVD, but they love going out and eat a "movie hot dog" (that's how they call them) and play in the arcades before the movie starts. It's a break from the routine, and a small treat I give them twice or thrice a year...

      ... plus they get to see lots and lots of people. More than what they'll see in a park, in densities greater than in a zoo. That's another part of the human experience that they are learning to relish.

      You know what I miss? Drive-in theaters. I grew up watching movies like that. Too bad there aren't that many anymore, for my kids would love it.

    17. Re:Movie theaters by DickBreath · · Score: 4, Funny

      But screaming kids, people getting up and squeezing out through the row of seats, and then back again later, and cell phones, and people talking, and telling their life story, along with narrating the film, people kicking the back of your seat, throwing popcorn . . .

      It's all part of the movie magic! The theater experience. You wouldn't want to get less than you paid for.

      And let's not forget being treated like a criminal before admission into the dignity of the theater experience. And 45 minutes of ads.

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    18. Re:Movie theaters by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Don't go to a theater that advertises "gun free zone".

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    19. Re:Movie theaters by plover · · Score: 1

      If that was the only problem, I'd probably go more often, but that's not my normal experience. Where I go, the other patrons are fine. It's the theater that bothers me.

      My main problem is the theater's continual attempt to convert everything about the experience into advertisements and money. The ticket-seller is unsatisfied that I'm only paying for a movie, and wants me to sign up for a free loyalty card. The hallways and ceilings are lined with cardboard cutouts of celluloid heroes, pitching movies I now know I don't want to see. Unplayed video games make loud noises that serve to repel everyone except the very infrequent louder 9 year old kid trying to drag his dad over to them. The ticket taker beckons me to the concession stand, and says something about saving my ticket stub for some offer at a crappy restaurant that would still be overpriced if the food were free. Once I stickywalk down the aisle and finally take my seat, there's a twenty minute before-the-show video advertising stream bleating loudly about upcoming TV shows, sodas, fast foods, cell phones, etc., at the end of which it repeats to me just how awesome those advertisements were. Then there's the 90 seconds of animated popcorn, candy, and soda that incongruously ends with a "silence cell phones" message -- how PSA of them for about two seconds. Then just as the lights are about to dim and we're almost ready to get to the 20 minutes of additional movie advertisements (excuse me, "previews"), some charity passes the hat to collect donations in the name of some long-dead last century Hollywood icon that I was too young to have watched, and never liked anyway.

      45 minutes later, by the time I finally get to see the movie I actually paid to see, I'm practically having a claustrophobic panic attack from the continual marketing. Even the best movies are tainted by the pain of the theater experience. Because of this, I see about only two movies a year in the theater. Everything else is much easier to watch on the big screen at home.

      I see plenty of room for innovation, but none of my suggestions will make the theaters the extra gravy money. My suggestion is to completely kill off the onslaught of marketing, and see if more people show up to pay for movies when the experience doesn't suck.

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    20. Re:Movie theaters by rjune · · Score: 1

      I have 2 years worth of science fiction magazines that I haven't had time to read, along with at least 3 ebooks in the Lost Fleet Beyond the Frontier series. I have no problem with waiting for a movie to get to Netflix so I can watch it in the comfort of my own home. Who really has to see a movie on it's release date?

    21. Re:Movie theaters by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Well if you really want to see a movie on its release date there are not many legal options.

      I don't care if I watch a movie on it's release date or a year later. The content is still the same. Plenty of films I haven't seen- I don't have to see new ones the day they are released.

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    22. Re:Movie theaters by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wouldn't go to a theatre that advertises "guns welcome"

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    23. Re:Movie theaters by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      That said, its still a good place to go for a date if you don't want to talk and sit in the dark together.

      Regal Cinemas and Chill.

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    24. Re:Movie theaters by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      There are 18+ movie theaters. They're basically all that's worth going to anymore.

      I thought those places went away once the Internet started hosting porn.

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    25. Re:Movie theaters by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Movie theaters are part of Americana.

      Movie theaters were part of Americana.

      FTFY. Technology has rendered it obsolete, we're basically at hte mercy of arbitrary exclusivity agreements now.

    26. Re:Movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why? your fear is illogical. criminals will bring guns whether there is a sign or not. at least the guns welcome would give any wrong doer pause, and they might consider other people shooting back at them too great a risk.

      stop being scared and dependent on signs to keep you safe.

    27. Re:Movie theaters by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      How? If I knew, I wouldn't write it here but instead sell an idea like that...

      Most arcades are now filled with things like fake motorcycles which would be cost prohibitive for the home user. The movie theatre is trying this with things like dbox but in order to really create an experience that can't be had at home it really needs to be more like the virtual rides where 8-10 people get into a device that moves with the movie. The problem with this is that in order for it to be more than just a gimmick it needs to be integrated with the movie which requires the movies to plan for this which requires there to already be a ton of these type system in existence. It's a chicken/egg problem that probably won't be solved anytime soon.

    28. Re:Movie theaters by mlheur · · Score: 1

      I've got the big screen and surround sound at home which I like just fine, but there are at least a dozen movies each year that I'd like to watch on a 60 foot screen rather than a 60 inch screen - I don't because per movie it's not worth the expense.

      Right now I go see maybe 1 movie per year in theaters (consistent since 2010). If I drop $20 each time I go, then "Big Screen" is only getting $20/year from me.

      If they were to cut the cost per movie in half I would probably go once per month on average. I used to go twice per month before the costs tripled in my early twenties. That would increase their yearly revenue from me by 600%. Seems like a good business decision to me...

    29. Re:Movie theaters by johanw · · Score: 1

      Who cares about "legal" options? Although I admit most cams are of poor quality, some are actually quite decent.

    30. Re:Movie theaters by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      the immersion in the picture is very different on theater and home: some pictures are barely-watchable outside of theaters (but, clearly it's a matter of taste...)

    31. Re:Movie theaters by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      no, not first, but at the same time (or time window)

    32. Re:Movie theaters by ArtemaOne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's ridiculous. Every time I go to the movie I have a revolver on me. If that one in a billion chance comes around that someone has intent to shoot up the place, you would be happy that a few people in the audience are carrying.

    33. Re:Movie theaters by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      there is good movies that don't even figure on Netfilx catalog: for this exists only "niche theaters", and Netflix is not an option...

    34. Re:Movie theaters by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Well if you really want to see a movie on its release date there are not many legal options.

      I don't care if I watch a movie on it's release date or a year later. The content is still the same.

      Star Wars. The content changed, sadly. Took a few years though.

      But in general, yeah I don't get why theres any particular incentive to see a movie on its release date.

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    35. Re:Movie theaters by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      I second that! (this nonsense is partly solved by "ilegal" markets...)

    36. Re:Movie theaters by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      screaming kids, people getting up and squeezing out through the row of seats, and then back again later, and cell phones, and people talking, and telling their life story, along with narrating the film, people kicking the back of your seat, throwing popcorn . . . It's all part of the movie magic! The theater experience.

      I know it's a joke, but it's partly true...

    37. Re:Movie theaters by ai4px · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In Savannah GA 16 years ago there was a "dinner and movie" type theater. Casual seating. They served beer and light food like nachos, burgers and wings. The wait staff would walk around in the dim room keeping your beer full. Great concept! I first saw the Matix there. I wish more theaters would do this.
        You know what gets old? sitting thru 20 minutes of previews and /commercials/. Really. I paid my $12 for the movie already, do I have to watch commercials as well???? And thye wonder why people just aren't going to the movies any longer?

    38. Re:Movie theaters by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Doesn't seem likely, at least not for a lot of movies. A big summer tent pole movie (e.g., Marvel superhero movie, etc.) is going to haul in hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for the studio. Netflix probably can't afford to buy more than one of those per year, and it's not clear if people would pay the additional cost necessary to support more than that. It's even more questionable if rentals would do near as well since even at $10 (even with most of it going to the studio) you'd have to rely on people only renting in groups of two, which also seems somewhat less likely, especially if it's something targeting a younger audience in which case you're probably trading 4-8 ticket sales for 1 rental.

      The studios, theaters, and streaming companies are all making ideal moves and any other strategy is likely a losing proposition for them. Sure it would be better for the end consumer who watches the movies if anything changed, because it would certainly result in a better experience for them, but you're not likely to accept markedly lower wages for your job, so expecting companies to give up money for your sake is just as foolish.

    39. Re:Movie theaters by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      TBH, your odds of getting 3 rare diseases is higher in a movie theater than in your home.

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    40. Re:Movie theaters by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      No I wouldn't. If some idiot shows up to a theatre with a gun intent on harming someone, he's more likely to actually carry it out if there is someone else in the theatre pointing a gun back at him.

      It's like the statistics that show gun owners are more likely to be shot by intruders than non gun owners. There's a reason for that. If you have a gun you're more likely to actively engage an intruder rather than hide/call police.

      A law abiding patron with a gun is more likely to make a non-law abiding patron with a gun fire his gun in the first place.

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    41. Re:Movie theaters by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Even with $10 tubs of popcorn, and profit margins on concessions of 85 percent, profit margins for a whole theater average around 4.3 percent for the industry

      Apparently movie theaters are expensive. Movie theaters get to keep 10% of the revenue from the ticket--that $10 ticket is $1 for the theater, $9 for the rights holder. For an 18-screen theater, the national average attendance per showing is 25 (daytime showings are usually sparse, but actually running a movie costs nothing so they don't just close during the slow times), so about 2,250 tickets and thus $2,250 per day. That gives a movie theater a bit more than $800,000 per year of revenue.

      With two people taking tickets, four ticket register operators, fourteen concession stand operators (three on each wing, eight up front), eighteen projection room operators (who stay there all day), and ten miscellaneous staff (ushers, janitors, maintenance), plus some five or so managers (Complex manager, managing director, operations manager...), you've got a good 53 or so staff (I've seen average staff numbers as high as 115 for an 18-screen theater). Call the managers $40k ($200k) and everyone else $20k ($960k) and that's already $1.16 million. Remember we're talking about a projector operator making $8/hr, so more than 8 seats in that theater means profit.

      What about facilities, utilities, material costs?

      What a pain, right? Needs more automation; then the movie theaters can be cheaper, more people can go to the movies, the seats can be more-full all the time, more food will sell (because it's cheaper), we'll need more people at Hershey making candy, we'll need more people operating hotdog factories, we'll need more people driving the trucks to deliver all this junk food, and all those $8/hr movie theater workers will become $8/hr factory line workers. Nobody's got any less income at the stable point, and they can all afford more movie theater junk (the costs are the same; but you're paying people to make and ship candy, rather than to vend already-made candy to you, thus more candy in total).

    42. Re:Movie theaters by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Who really has to see a movie on it's release date?

      Who really needs to see a movie period?

      There are a few big drawls for me to see a movie at the movie theaters
      - Date night (not the same when you have kids and watch a movie at your house, no matter house great a TV set up you have)
      - Being able to talk about a movie when all my friends and coworkers are still excited about discussing the movie
      - Avoiding spoilers for movies I want to see (even though the movie trailers do a good job at that already)
      - When I lived in a cheap apartment that was not soundproof or large enough to create a movie theater like experience

    43. Re:Movie theaters by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      You can have a heart attack at home without a watching a movie, your point is pointless.

    44. Re:Movie theaters by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      They, too, can survive if they specialize on gimmicks and experiences that cannot be simply created at home.

      A few weeks back I went to see "Godzilla Resurgence" (the latest Japanese Godzilla movie) in Tokyo. I saw it at the Toho Cinema in "4D." This involves vibrating your seat, shaking it around, blowing air and mist into your face, flashing lights, smell generators, and a whole host of gimmicks. I had fun. It was also the kind of thing I need to do exactly once in my life. The ticket cost around $35. More to the point, though, while it seemed like a great idea for a Godzilla movie, there is a really short list of movies that I could imagine really benefiting from the treatment. Like, I defy you to find me a person who is not moved after watching "Apocalypse Now," but how would that movie benefit from "4D"? I love a good gimmick as much as the next guy -- I'm that guy who actually does own a 3D TV -- but that's all it is, a gimmick. If you legitimately like movies, that's not the thing that's going to bring you into the theater.

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    45. Re:Movie theaters by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      the larger seats and leg room and lack of annoying kids is a huge draw card.

      I call that my living room. I can also smoke if I want and no one calls the cops if my girlfriend gives me a bj during the show.

    46. Re:Movie theaters by BKDotCom · · Score: 1

      Parking fee??

    47. Re:Movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      at least the guns welcome would give any wrong doer pause

      Any time a gun is present, simple arguments can escalate to this. It has nothing to do with criminals and everything to do with human nature.

    48. Re:Movie theaters by lgw · · Score: 1

      Every mass shooting in the US (at least for several decades) has been in a gun-free zone, with one exception (and that was an assassination with a lot of collateral damage). There has never been a mass shooting at any place advertising "guns welcome".

      IMO, this is like having the sign for a home security system in your yard (or window stickers). Does it actually prevent theft? No. But if your neighbors don't have the same, you're an unattractive target.

      Setting aside the broader issue, if some theaters welcomed guns, and some banned them, all historical evidence suggests someone planning a mass shooting is going to pick a gun-free one.

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    49. Re:Movie theaters by ArtemaOne · · Score: 3, Informative

      That sounds like you're buying into propaganda. Defensive gun usage is extremely common, and there have been an incredible number of mass shootings that never occurred, or were ended early by people carrying concealed. I do agree that people who are open carrying or brandishing needlessly could present those issues.

    50. Re:Movie theaters by Jawnn · · Score: 3, Informative
      Alamo Drafthouse (larger cities in Texas) and the McMenamins properties (in the PNIW), are two shining examples of what "movie theaters" could have done to save their asses, but didn't. The serve good food, even the popcorn is better, and alcohol. The are cleaner, ...and quieter - a LOT quieter. Alamo Drafthouse is serious about their no-talking/no-texting rule. They will repeat offenders (you get one warning) out on their asses "...without a refund." They get all of my theater-going business now.

      And to the operators of those theaters that have been remodeled in the last few years, No. Putting recliners in your same dirty, noisy theater isn't going to help. Get serious about what you're selling (an experience) or get serious about finding a buyer for your property.

    51. Re:Movie theaters by lgw · · Score: 1

      So why don't you show up about when the actual movie starts? That's what I do, when I care to see a movie. A week after opening the theater will be nearly empty on week nights, no reason to get there early, or even on time.

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    52. Re:Movie theaters by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      On Brazil, right now, the theatrical experience is a PoS. Dirty projection room, projectors inadequate and poorly maintained, inadequate screen, really expensive (and bad) popcorn and mediocre projection quality. Is way better to simply get a big TV and see your films at home.

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    53. Re:Movie theaters by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of an old joke...

      Name 2 people shot in the back of the head at a theater.

      1: Abraham Lincoln
      2: The guy sitting in front of Peewee Herman

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    54. Re:Movie theaters by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      Movie theaters had their reason to exist when they offered an added value over what you could have at home. That ceased to exist. Big screen? Have it. Dolby 7.1? Have it. 3D? Glad I don't have it. What else is there?

      Arguably, ambiance. Even a big TV is not quite the same as that big screen, though I'll grant you that it's a trivial difference when compared to the other things one gets in the traditional theater "experience". You know, the talking, texting, seat-kicking and vaping assholes that one can't get away from outside of the boutique theaters which recognize the value of "the experience" (McMenamins and Alamo Drafthouse, to name two) and actually enforce basic rules of decorum. Call me an effete cinema snob, but I'll happily pay for that quality experience, on occasion. Sure, the beer costs more but I don't even have to get out of my seat for a refill.

    55. Re:Movie theaters by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Who cares about "legal" options?

      Uh, those with morals and who have respect for others.

      But go ahead and keep pretending it is your property.

    56. Re:Movie theaters by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to keep discussing this beyond this as it isn't really relevant to the article and will go on forever. It's not "buying into the propaganda", it's following actual real-life data collected on the subject. Studies have shown that when gun ownership and gun possession goes down, # of shootings go down.

      A lot of gun owners think that owning a gun will help them prevent a shooting, or help protect them. Statistics show that the opposite is true. You're far more likely to be shot if you own a gun that if you don't. At home, on the town, wherever, carrying a gun makes you more likely to be a victim of violence.

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    57. Re:Movie theaters by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      What you're saying can be immediately countered with the fact that the places with prevalent gun ownership and fewer infringing laws, the shooting rate is tiny compared to locations where only criminals have access to carrying firearms, which places legal gun owners, and those who don't own guns, more at risk of gun crime. If you were to eliminate the gun crime statistics from the cities with the most infringing firearm laws, the USA drops to close to the bottom of the list worldwide.

    58. Re:Movie theaters by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Great, so there are then two idiots that have the potential to kill me.

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    59. Re:Movie theaters by Scarletdown · · Score: 2

      I've got the big screen and surround sound at home which I like just fine, but there are at least a dozen movies each year that I'd like to watch on a 60 foot screen rather than a 60 inch screen - I don't because per movie it's not worth the expense.

      Right now I go see maybe 1 movie per year in theaters (consistent since 2010). If I drop $20 each time I go, then "Big Screen" is only getting $20/year from me.

      If they were to cut the cost per movie in half I would probably go once per month on average. I used to go twice per month before the costs tripled in my early twenties. That would increase their yearly revenue from me by 600%. Seems like a good business decision to me...

      Guess we are lucky in my small town of under 10,000 (possibly a tad over 10K countywide).

      We have what they call Tightwad Tuesday, where all shows are $6. And since a movie's first night showing here is always on Friday, that gives us a weekend plus change to check reviews (the Rerolled forum is often pretty accurate) to determine if we want to spend the $12 for two of us to see it on the big screen, or wait for either Netflix or Redbox (the latter of which we need to start using soon before all these coupons for free RB rentals that I won in the Safeway Monopoly game earlier this year expire...mostly been using them as gifts so far).

      We seem to be averaging one movie at the Eltrym per quarter, with our most recent being Miss Peregrine this past Tuesday. Our next for certain one will be Rogue One in December. No telling if there will be any spur of the moment movie nights before then though.

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    60. Re:Movie theaters by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      No, there are billions. You must be terrified to leave the house considering how many hundreds of thousands of people carry concealed every day.

    61. Re:Movie theaters by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > Frankly, if I want to invite someone to a dark play for a date, I have a basement.

      /sarcasm You DO know you can move out of Mom's basement, right? :-)

    62. Re:Movie theaters by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      I mentioned Amazon, and a Rental fee. That rental fee could be about the portion of what the studio would get from a theater ticket sale. It seems they would make their money back. Maybe even more.

      Are more people likely to watch it online or endure the "movie magic" experience? Especially of the streaming "rental" Amazon price is less than a theater ticket?

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    63. Re:Movie theaters by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      It is both. A joke. And true. All true, not partly true.

      The only sense in which it may be partly true is this. In a single visit to a theater, you may only have to be subjected to a subset of the items I mentioned.

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    64. Re:Movie theaters by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      You need to find the right theaters. Like this, this, etc. I can't tell you the last time I've been in a movie where there were kids screaming or people talking. Those giant recliners also mean fewer people in the theater in general, and there is enough space between your feet and the seats in front of you so that you can be reclining in your chair while the server is brining your next drink and you don't even have to move, let alone deal with anyone hitting the back of your seat.

      Also, I have at least one friend who always shows up to the theater early because he wants to watch all the previews.

      I don't go to see movies at theaters as much as I used to, but when I do it's always to one of those places. If I can't order a beer and some popcorn with actual butter that comes in a giant bowl like I would make at home then that's not the place for me.

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    65. Re:Movie theaters by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      sitting thru 20 minutes of previews and /commercials/. Really. I paid my $12 for the movie already, do I have to watch commercials as well????

      If you're going to get there 20 minutes before the movie starts, what do you expect to watch? Another shorter movie?

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    66. Re:Movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Who cares about "legal" options?

      Uh, those with morals and who have respect for others.

      But go ahead and keep pretending it is your property.

      I have no respect for the MPAA/RIAA. None at all. I don't care if they disappear. I don't care if what they're producing disappears. I don't care if the entire industry collapses and we have to rebuild from the ashes.

      I'm happy to support artists in other ways and I'll even pay a reasonable fee for a full quality, non-DRM copy but that is simply not an option. There is no movie on the planet worth $30 for a 4k Blu-ray that even THEN I can only play through certain devices and the streaming options are no better. When they respect me, I'll respect them but as it stands they don't give a shit about what I want so I'm returning the favor. Until then, get off your fucking soap box because no one cares.

    67. Re: Movie theaters by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 3, Informative

      These numbers are pretty rough, but annually about 60% of US firearm related homicides are suicide. About 3% of gun deaths are accidents. About 80% of non-suicide homicides are ruled as gang-related. Police kill in the neighborhood of 1200 people per year, criminals or otherwise. Mass shooting deaths, defined as "4+ deaths of people selected indiscriminately in a public place", are vary small. The figures I've seen are between 5 and 75 people per year.

      That leaves somewhere around 1000 to 2000 murders.

      If only America could address its drug habit and figure out how to employ our young men. Then gang and other organized crime violence would be severely curtailed, and this would be a pretty peaceful place to live.

    68. Re:Movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >If you're going to get there 20 minutes before the movie starts, what do you expect to watch?

      Warner Brothers cartoon shorts (the ORIGINAL ones, not the fraudulent rejiggering they do now).

      That stuff is FUNNY.

    69. Re:Movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Like, I defy you to find me a person who is not moved after watching "Apocalypse Now," but how would that movie benefit from "4D"?

      Well, the smell of napalm in the morning, obviously.

    70. Re:Movie theaters by lgw · · Score: 1

      I defy you to find me a person who is not moved after watching "Apocalypse Now,"

      I've never managed to stay awake though it. Couldn't finish Heart of Darkness either.

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    71. Re:Movie theaters by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 1

      To be fair, 20,000 of those firearm deaths are suicide. That is an epidemic-scale figure, but it's hard to blame the firearms. While Firearms are the instrument for most suicide fatalities in the US, they account for about half of all suicides and far less than half of all suicide attempts.

    72. Re:Movie theaters by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      If they were to cut the cost per movie in half I would probably go once per month on average. I used to go twice per month before the costs tripled in my early twenties. That would increase their yearly revenue from me by 600%. Seems like a good business decision to me...

      No, it's not: your case is not barely close to the target audience

    73. Re:Movie theaters by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      I use partly because of the "kids" thing: there are sessions that there's no kids (but, probably, will be old people sleeping and snoring...)

    74. Re:Movie theaters by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Even then, you still get stupid adults who think they are on-call brain surgeons who cant leave their comms device off for a solid two hours.

      There are quite a few companies who think that you're on-call and that it's EXTREMELY IMPORTANT for you to answer an on-call alert within minutes. Whether that's true or not isn't the point, it doesn't stop the demands from being placed on them by employers.

    75. Re: Movie theaters by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      That leaves somewhere around 1000 to 2000 murders.

      And, appropriate to the discussion, how many of those murders are committed by people that the murdered knew?
      If you're going to get killed by your spouse, for instance, chances are that it won't be at the packed multiplex. It'll be at home.

    76. Re:Movie theaters by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Also common: two schmucks getting into an argument and one guy ending it by pulling a gun - not because he's a criminal, just because he had it and he felt threatened and his defensive instincts kicked in. The more guns you bring into a crowded room full of fallible people, the more likely someone is going to get shot.

      And not necessarily the people involved. If two nitwits get into a fist-fight in a theater, I'm not worried that when one swings and misses, his fist will keep going another 20 feet and hit me in the head.

    77. Re:Movie theaters by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      I mentioned Amazon, and a Rental fee. That rental fee could be about the portion of what the studio would get from a theater ticket sale. It seems they would make their money back.

      Studios get something around half of the ticket price. They're not paid like book authors or musicians. If you're talking about rental fees big enough to compensate for 4 theater tickets, you're talking about rents of $30-40.

    78. Re:Movie theaters by jonwil · · Score: 1

      I go to the movies a LOT. Not to a special premium cinema or anything fancy, just a regular cinema. (one of the cheapest in town as it happens) and I never experience any of the problems people on here talk about.

      Basically never had a problem with people using phones in a way that is distracting or talking loudly enough that its distracting or kicking the seats or doing anything else annoying enough to make me want to complain.

      The movie I went to the other day had a big message right at the start saying "dont put your feet on the seats, put all your rubbish in the bins, switch your phone off and dont talk loudly during the movie" and people respected that.

      They also have an explicit ban on outside hot food/fast food (e.g. Subway, Sushi, Mexican, burgers etc) so you dont have to worry about someone sitting in the theater eating smelly greasy food.

      Why American theaters (the big chains in particular) are so reluctant to simply ban these distracting things (feet on seats, using phones, bringing in smelly hot food etc) and kick people out who break the rules I dont know.

    79. Re:Movie theaters by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      Without movie theatres, the film companies are just television studios without a channel.

      Who's going to pay $100 million plus to make a movie to show on tv?

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    80. Re:Movie theaters by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      . so what exactly is the benefit?

      1. Watching the movie on or around release date
      2. Watching it on a screen which takes up 37.5* (give or take) of your field of view, with a (hopefully) competent sound systems.

      Not everyone has item #2 in their house.. To those that do, kudos. You probably put on a better show than most has-been 'plexes.

      I suggest you find a better theater. I had to shop around a bit, but found a nice multiplex with clean floors, competent picture and sound, and no teens kicking your seat and no little phones lighting up the place. It was built by Muvico but sold to Cinemark, who has done a commendable job in keeping it up.

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    81. Re:Movie theaters by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      That depends how much of viewer share is still in theaters. If it is still high, then theaters could very easily hand the studio that tries that a very serious beating due to refusing to show their films at all. And then it comes down to who is stronger and even then, fear and uncertainty may postpone that date until long after the balance had already shifted.

      One day, a studio will do what you propose, everyone will hold their breath and the studio will win and theaters will sink as suddenly as if a sink hole opened up under them. But like a sink hole in real life, the ground underneath will have been eaten away by slow erosion for years. So, I'm guessing that that the studios will be afraid right up to the date that some maverick studio head tries something, and he will either be squashed like a bug (postponing the change for another decade), or immediately change everything overnight.

    82. Re:Movie theaters by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Justifying repaying evil for evil just makes you look immature.

    83. Re:Movie theaters by DavidMZ · · Score: 1

      That sounds like you're buying into propaganda. Defensive gun usage is extremely common, and there have been an incredible number of mass shootings that never occurred, or were ended early by people carrying concealed. I do agree that people who are open carrying or brandishing needlessly could present those issues.

      According to politico, defensive gun usage is not that common, with an estimated 3,200 occurences a year in the US, to compare with the 33,636 deaths due to "Injury by firearms" for 2013.

      I would also question how you know there has been an "incredible number of mass shootings that never occurred", since they never occurred...

    84. Re:Movie theaters by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      The highest form of morality IS obeying laws whether they are just or not. NOTE: The laws could be legal or spiritual.

      Resorting to ad hominems only makes you look insecure and childish.

    85. Re:Movie theaters by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      The solution here is to not go to the movies if you cant leave your device off for two hours. Obviously you are too busy of a person to take in entertainment if your employer needs you that badly..

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    86. Re:Movie theaters by dryeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's so true. When slavery is legal, it would be immoral to help slaves escape. When the law insists on segregation, it would be immoral for a black person to sit at the front of the bus. When the law says Roma must report to the gas chambers, it would be immoral to not report or to help someone not report.
      So many immoral people.

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    87. Re: Movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And that kind of oppression is just the same as fat nerds not being able to watch whatever they want whenever they want!

      Down with the system!

    88. Re: Movie theaters by chihowa · · Score: 1

      When the national culture allows guns and an 'entitled to murder' mentality, perhaps one should be surprised that more social cliques aren't committing murder.

      When you're surprised that reality doesn't fit your interpretation of it, perhaps you should rethink your interpretation and not be surprised at reality. (read: There is no "national culture" of 'entitled to murder'.)

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    89. Re:Movie theaters by plover · · Score: 1

      I go to the theater to see the big-name movies when I can't wait a few months for them to come out on BluRay (Star Wars, Hobbit/LotR, etc.), not because I want the "going to the cinema house" experience of an art theatre. I want to see movies that I want to see, in an environment that doesn't suck. That excludes both chain theaters and art houses.

      I have found the nearby IMAX has a much more pleasant atmosphere than the commercial chains, so I patronize them when I can (while it costs nearly double the ticket price of the chain theater, it's totally worth it.) But they're limited to what they can show on one screen, and only films that are released on 70mm, so they never show most movies.

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    90. Re:Movie theaters by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I could have that at home, but that's a little bit like the popcorn throwers and the phone talkers, I don't mind doing without it...

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    91. Re:Movie theaters by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      ...they account for about half of all suicides and far less than half of all suicide attempts.

      What you said there is "if you want to off yourself, use a gun. It's far more likely to succeed than most other ways".

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    92. Re:Movie theaters by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it climbs from "impossible" to "next to impossible".

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    93. Re:Movie theaters by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Billions? I didn't know the number of US citizens got so out of control, I guess it's about time Trump built that fence!

      And talk about your country. In mine, a concealed carry permit is near impossible to get. Still, I'd wager that a higher percentage of people in my country had professional training with assault rifles than in the US.

      Wrap your mind around that.

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    94. Re:Movie theaters by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Why do you assume everyone's calling is to be Rosa Parks ?

    95. Re:Movie theaters by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Yeah, when a shootout starts, the first thing you want is some John Wayne wannabe shooting randomly into the dark.

    96. Re:Movie theaters by drsquare · · Score: 1

      The business model is not the customer's problem. When I go to watch a film I don't want to see their balance sheet.

    97. Re:Movie theaters by vandamme · · Score: 1

      The previews are sometimes better than the movie. Plus, I don't have to watch the previewed movie later, because I find out they suck.

    98. Re: Movie theaters by netik · · Score: 1

      All of this withholding of material would work if only the studios weren't the same people who own the movie theaters.

    99. Re: Movie theaters by MTBaldwin · · Score: 1

      The Pussycat theaters was my favorite 18+ chain, back in the day...ðY±

    100. Re:Movie theaters by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      You do realize there are more than one country in the world, and those people can move from place to place. There are billions of people that can kill you. And there are many states in the USA where you either have to be rich, powerful, or white to get a concealed license.

    101. Re:Movie theaters by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Not really, but whatever floats your boat.

    102. Re: Movie theaters by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Not really. Like 99.9% of the defensive gun uses in the USA never involve pulling the trigger. Most of the time the criminal flees for their life.

    103. Re:Movie theaters by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The 18+ movie theaters I have visited don't have toilets that remotely resemble that comment. And they have a bigger screen and a better sound system than I do at home.

    104. Re:Movie theaters by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      There is one problem with that plan that is not the fault of the theaters. If a movie is released to some other distribution channel before it is shown in theaters, it is not eligible for any of the major movie awards. That especially hurts for documentaries, because winning a documentary Oscar is one of the few hopes that most documentaries have of ever making money.

    105. Re:Movie theaters by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The Netflix comment isn't about the tentpole movies. The current system is doing OK for them. No-budget indies are doing as well as they ever have, or perhaps even better because some of them get picked up by Netflix or Amazon in lieu of a theatrical release.

      The films that are struggling are the midlist. Films with budgets in the $5 to $50 million range. Those are the ones that would benefit from changes to the current system, and they're the ones that Netflix is talking about.

    106. Re:Movie theaters by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Why do you assume that it is no-ones calling to be Rosa Parks?

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    107. Re:Movie theaters by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, people can move. It's kinda hard to do that with a weapon, though. Nations usually don't really like it when foreigners cross borders armed, it doesn't really have a good record...

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    108. Re:Movie theaters by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      I don't assume, I know.

      Think about it for a second. What if everyone was? What would happen to civilization? Constant civil disobedience would be disruptive -- there would be no stability.

      There is a time and a place for civil disobedience but those times are extremely rare.
       

    109. Re:Movie theaters by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      You are making numerous assumptions based on incomplete information.

      Who declared you God that you have the authority to judge bad Laws?

      You are viewing everything you mentioned as "evil" without stopping to consider that _every_ side has _both_ a Pro and a Con. i.e. You are assuming every slave was mistreated. If you'd watch The Butler you'd actually understand not every servant was mistreated.

      What are you also completely missing is that while there is a time and a place for civil disobedience those times are extremely rare.

      Lastly you are ignorant about mass consciousness and its development. Why do "bad" laws even get passed in the first place??? There was slavery and segregation at one time because most people at that time were too spiritually immature to understand a higher perspective. Very few people's soul (pun intended) life purpose is to bring about enlightenment. The majority of people purpose is not to be a political activist -- their role is to be Artists, Scientists; they change the world by changing them self which is the first step in changing the world.

    110. Re:Movie theaters by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      The point is you do want to go watch a film. If you didn't, you wouldn't go. Guess what? Employees have to get paid; rent has to get paid; utilities have to get paid. Do you know who pays all that shit? The customers. If not, the theater closes, and you can stay at home and wait for release on Netflix.

    111. Re:Movie theaters by Magius_AR · · Score: 1

      But in general, yeah I don't get why theres any particular incentive to see a movie on its release date.

      Avoiding spoilers + being able to talk about the movie with friends while it's still relevant are pretty big draws.

    112. Re:Movie theaters by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      But in general, yeah I don't get why theres any particular incentive to see a movie on its release date.

      Avoiding spoilers + being able to talk about the movie with friends while it's still relevant are pretty big draws.

      I don't much care about 'spoilers' and movies being relevant in conversations with friends? ...?

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  2. ...what about the drafthouse?.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...it's the only place i'll watch films anymore; they innovate and do a wonderful job of it...

    1. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      We have a Cinema Grill near our house. Awful food and drinks, old chairs, and below average theater. But it was the first in the area to offer an alternative to just rows of traditional seating...I think even before stadium seating made it here.

      A Regal theater several years ago added motorized recliner stadium seating. That's typically the theater we go to now. Ton of space, chairs you can set to exactly the angle you want, and even if someone has their cell phone screen on you don't notice it because you're reclined. You still have people that might talk, but you can't get rid of that...even at home (yeah I'm looking at you wife and kids).

    2. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I can get rid of that at home. Easily. Pause the movie, yell "get the fuck out of here if you want to talk", wait for them to leave, resume playing.

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    3. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Or I could just yell that, and then rewatch whatever it is when I'm sleeping on the couch that night.

    4. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      Beer, cocktails, a full menu with the kitchen to back it. Also, reserved seats that you can pick in advance, and a strict no phone policy that they actually enforce. Definitely worth a look.

    5. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by SScorpio · · Score: 2

      Why yes, yes they do: http://drafthouse.com/

      I don't have one near but, but the Emagine Theaters near me serve beer, wine, and mixed drinks. http://www.emagine-entertainment.com/

    6. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Also a strict no talking policy they actually enforce. Unfortunately they are no longer vape friendly.

    7. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Alamo draft house actually does get rid of the talking. You place your orders on written notes if you indicate someone is talking on that note they give them one warning and on the next offense throw them out.

    8. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      propylene glycol Sorry, I have an allergy to it if you would like to fog up a public place don't expect me to be there. They also put it in some hair care products I tend to stay away from them they cause a rash.

    9. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Sad, sad for you. If you have glasses you likely also don't enjoy 3D films, sad, sad for you.

      For the vast majority of us who don't have a rare allergy to propylene glycol, hair care products, deoderant, and/or perfume the solution seems to be not to bar those things and "don't expect you to be there."

      But that is definitely ideal. We could just all watch movies in our own home theaters instead of mass public spaces and you can just watch movies with a friend subset where you won't have a conflict and can enjoy your experience while I do the same. Afterward we can still get together for a barbeque or other outdoor experience and I won't blow propolyene glycol in your face because I'm not an ass. The current situation forces one of us to take our enjoyment at the expense of the other.

    10. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      It's not fatal or life threatening just annoying eye and skin irritation people with eczema are irritated by it as well. It's actually very common.

    11. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately they are no longer vape friendly.

      Well, that is pretty standard for pretty much any type of theater. That is why I now have a personal policy of going ahead and filling my tabletop vaporizer with a fresh bowl of feyleaf (aka wizard weed, aka ganja) an hour and a half to 2 hours before making the 8 block walk to the theater. By showtime, the buzz has faded enough to where I can totally focus on the movie and actually tune out any outside distractions. I'm good until I get home. :D

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    12. Re:...what about the drafthouse?.. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Alas I meant vaping for nicotine which means you need a dose about every 15 seconds or after about 15-30mins you start to feel the withdraw, teeth clenched, impatient and irritable, chills, and a growing tension in your spine like you need to crack your back.

      That is what is frustrating, most people switched to vaping which is relative to smoking fairly harmless and certainly harmless for second hand purposes (unless you get a room full of those sub-ohm I want to be a dragon people). But because it reminds people of smoking they do everything they can to try to spin anything they can find into a big health risk to force vapers back into outcast status like smokers. It sucks because smoking is something you do in a burst, smoke a cigerette and you are good for 15min-2hrs, vaping is constant intake of small doses every 15sec-2min, so you start to have withdraw faster and it is more intense because you actually intake far more nicotine with vaping.

  3. Might as well break the ice by chispito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This being Slashdot, many of you don't want to go to theaters and see films. You want to view them at home, from your HTPC where you won't be bothered by other people, people you consider dumb, rude, loud, too young, always on their phones and generally needing to get off your lawn.

    I remember this last time movie theaters came up. I was in the minority because I do consider going to the movies to be a social experience, especially when when seeing a suspenseful or funny movie.

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    1. Re:Might as well break the ice by RogueyWon · · Score: 2

      It depends on the film. If it's a big special effects blockbuster, like a new Star Wars film or something, then yes, going to the cinema can add something to the experience.

      For almost anything else, however, home viewing is definitely preferable for me. All too often, there's a film I'd very much like to see but don't want to have to watch in a cinema. Then by the time it's available to watch at home, I've forgotten about it or just lost the inclination to see it.

      If the Movie Theater chains are really confident that they offer something above and beyond the home viewing experience, then they should be a lot more relaxed about simultaneous releases.

    2. Re:Might as well break the ice by ninthbit · · Score: 1

      I go to the theatre all the time. You just need to go to the right one. AMC Cinesuite is 18+ only, recliners with foot rest and push button for food service. The industry has innovated.

    3. Re:Might as well break the ice by GIL_Dude · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I go to movies too. Probably 8 times a year or so. There are some loud and rude people. But most of the folks aren't. I've had to give a shout and a death stare to one ass that kept kicking my chair. But normally it is pretty much OK. I still think movies should be available "day and date" (on streaming and theaters in the same day). I don't care if they tier the pricing over time. On day one, rental streaming $25, theaters their normal too high price. 30 days in, $8.99 for streaming and it goes to the bargain theaters. 90 days in and it goes to Netflix and others (free streaming with paid monthly account). Something like that. Work out the prices and set them to something that makes sense - that was just a broad strokes idea or pricing. There should also be global release and no region locking. It is proven that if you make access available people pay for it. Sure, there are you inveterate, never going to pay for anything people. But they aren't and won't ever be your customers. Make it available everywhere at the same time and you will get customers.

    4. Re:Might as well break the ice by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      There are movies where the cinema can add to the experience. Mostly Michael Bay movies, where even the obnoxious assholes around you can only add to the experience... ok, snide comments aside, there are certain aspects and elements of the cinema experience that can augment the experience. Like going to a premiere of a long expected movie. Or a great comedy where you can experience the movie and its gags with other people, and where the reaction of other people is actually part of the experience. Or when you're in a group of people and the movie is only part of your evening plans.

      Frankly, in all other cases, I fail to see the advantage of going to a cinema. Going to a cinema to just watch a movie is simply not really something that adds anything of value to the movie unless you have a secondary reason to go (like noted above).

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    5. Re:Might as well break the ice by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You don't have to be on some corporation's property to have a "social" experience.

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    6. Re:Might as well break the ice by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I'd still rather just do that at home on my 120" screen and thx certified 7.1 surround. Where I can invite just the people I want. And where I can not get gouged $20-40 for less than a dollar worth of refreshments. They are better quality some place like Alamo drafthouse but they are still gouging you. Understandable since they have a massive theater they have to pay for but I already pay for a theater at home.

      The only thing the theaters have going for them is getting the movies sooner. There are boxes that let you get the theater releases but they are ridiculously expensive and have intentionally locked down controls and limited selection.

    7. Re:Might as well break the ice by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      You don't have to be on some corporation's property to have a "social" experience.

      Seriously?

      No you don't HAVE to be. You can have all sorts of social experiences in all sorts of places. You know including on "some corporation's property". And yes, the cinema is a social experience.

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    8. Re:Might as well break the ice by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      I think the best experience I had in theaters was The Raid 2. Small crowd and people were ooofing and ooooing at the hits in fights. Hands down a blast.

    9. Re:Might as well break the ice by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      For me, a lot of it comes down to time. If I decide I want to watch a movie, I don't really want to plan it out as an activity. I want to sit on my couch in something comfortable with a snack and take it in. What I don't want to do is: figure out when / where there is a showing that fits into my schedule; clothe myself appropriately for going out in public; transport myself to that location / find somewhere to park; stand in a line to be herded into a theatre; watch a half-hour worth of commercials (or try to show up after all the ads but risk not getting a good seat). As a side note, theatres should consider doing away with the front three or four rows: it's impossible to see the whole screen, it's uncomfortable to crane your neck in a manner that lets you even try to take in the whole thing, and forget about reading subtitles from that range. They'll happily take the same money from you as they would for any other ticked to sell you this horribly sub-standard "experience".

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    10. Re:Might as well break the ice by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      You want to view them at home, from your HTPC where you won't be bothered by other people, people you consider dumb, rude, loud, too young, always on their phones and generally needing to get off your lawn.

      Speak for yourself.

      The people I consider dumb, rude, loud, too young, and always on their phones are already at my home. That's the reason I go to the movie theater, to take a break from them for a few hours.

  4. Prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    $12 tickets plus $20 snacks per person certainly doesn't help...

    1. Re:Prices by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Preaching to the choir....

  5. A biased opinion by foxalopex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My understanding from how movie theatres work is that they barely make any money at all from the showing of movies. It is the production studios that take the greatest amount of profits from the movies shown at the theatre. Where theatre's make money is primarily from the extremely unhealthy food folks buy at the theatre. It's why we hear so much about movies from producers that flop because that represents a huge loss. Theatres are not so worried so long as folks still go to the theatre to see movies.

    Gas stations use a similar model where most of their actual profits are from non-gas sales. They behave very much like a corner store. The gas that's sold isn't very profitable otherwise.

    1. Re:A biased opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is a common misunderstanding. Movie theatres make plenty of money from showing movies. It is true that the vast majority (~90%) of revenue from brand new films (typically a film is a 'special engagement' from release through the end of its second weekend) goes back to the studio. However, the studio's take drops rapidly after that point, eventually tilting in the theatre's favor. A large chain with a good film buyer and strategies in place to ensure movies perform as well as possible during an extended run can get their overall 'film rent' below 60%. But, even at 90%, the theatre's box office take isn't "barely any money." The nice thing about tickets is that everyone pays for them, while many customers don't visit the concession stand. When I ran a movie theatre, our average ticket price (which factors in free passes, discounted tickets, matinees, child tickets, etc.) was about $7.50. Our net concession per capita was about $2.40. 75 cents may pale in comparison to $2.40, but it is definitely significant...and this is absolutely the worst case scenario.

    2. Re:A biased opinion by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Or they can do what places like iPic do and upgrade the experience. It's nice to have a more comfortable chair, and better food. It's almost like going to Chile's or Applebees, with a recliner, beer, and movie.

      I rarely go to theaters anymore unless it's with the Mrs to see a new Marvel or Star Wars movie. Neither of us like the gum-riddled floors and vomit-infused seats, so we pay a little extra to be in a better environment. I'd wager the theaters operating cost is not significantly higher since you aren't attracting the same clientele and won't get the same wear in the theater furniture (not that I've seen those replaced regularly...).

    3. Re:A biased opinion by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Few films have an "extended" run any more. With a lot of pictures these days, you're pretty much out of luck if you don't remember to get to the theater right away.

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    4. Re:A biased opinion by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      that's revenue

      you still have lots of bills to pay like rent, salaries, taxes and dozens of others which is why the concessions make money and tickets are a money loser.

    5. Re:A biased opinion by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      i see some movies in the theater for weeks. with digital projection it's a lot easier to squeeze older movie showings in than dedicating a theater with the old film projector

  6. No innovation? I wish! by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    My local theater has been innovating in recent years, contrary to Hastings' claims. Some of the changes have been good, such as the ease in buying tickets before arriving at the theater and ability to pick out assigned seats when purchasing tickets.

    But most of the "innovations" are horrible. I don't mind (and would often partake) in food and drink at the theater. But unfortunately it comes paired with in-seat delivery during the movie. Waitstaff walking around the theater is a great way to ruin a movie. Always-on lighting ensure people can read menus, but they also completely defeat the purpose of having a dark room to show the movie. Why even bother turning the house lights down, if there's going to be a light on at every seat?

    In case I've managed to get any enjoyment out of the theater experience up to that point, staff circulate to drop off the check about 10 minutes before final credits. AKA, during the climatic scene of most movies.

    I'd be more likely to go to the theater more often if there hadn't been these innovations in recent years. As is it, I went out to see Cap'n America, and I'll likely get out for Dr Strange, and that will make this year an exception. Most recent years I go the movies once, if it at all.

    1. Re:No innovation? I wish! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I don't like assigned seats. If I'm not familiar with the theater, I can't judge the optimum location by looking at a seating chart.

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    2. Re:No innovation? I wish! by Misagon · · Score: 1

      Food at the theatre? How horrible. I am bothered enough already by the crunching and slurping sounds from soda and snacks.

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    3. Re:No innovation? I wish! by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Food at the theatre? How horrible. I am bothered enough already by the crunching and slurping sounds from soda and snacks.

      Yeah, sounds like a terrible idea, especially combined with waiting staff and lighting as well.....

      Not only is a fucking aweful idea though, some people here on this very site seems to like that, and is asking for move similar movie ruining "service".

  7. even worse by Kludge · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I seldom go to theaters any more.
    The food mediocre and overpriced.
    There are no intermissions or breaks on 3 hour long movies. Old movies had intermissions. Live theater has intermissions. When do I get rid of all this soda that has made its way to my bladder? I can pause a movie at home any time I want.

    1. Re:even worse by Tx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are no intermissions or breaks on 3 hour long movies.

      Slightly side-issue, but a lot of movies are way too long anyway. Sure, there's the odd Schindler's List or whatever that actually has three hours of story to tell. But Batman v Superman? F**k off with that. These shitty movie directors need to get their egos under control and realise that that kind of movie needs to be 90-100 minutes tops. More isn't necessarily better when you're telling a story that isn't actually very complicated or fundamentally interesting.

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    2. Re:even worse by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I thought Avengers Age of Ultron would never end....Its was so unnecessarily long.

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    3. Re:even worse by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Another aspect of Murphy's Law: when you run to the bathroom to unload the coke you drank, that's when the movie gets interesting.

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    4. Re:even worse by harperska · · Score: 1

      And even if they do have 3 hours of story to tell, they really should go the Lord of the Rings route. Do an initial release in theaters with a shorter cut, and save the full length cut for a special edition home video release.

    5. Re:even worse by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I love superhero movies... well I used to but bloody hell the Marvel ones are pretty hard to get into. They're absolutely determined to shoehorn bloody everyone in to every movie and have everyone fight everyone else. They're just a massive mess, and they seem to eschew plot and character development in order to get more characters crammed into each film.

      If you didn't like "Age of Ultron", don't watch the next one "Civil War".

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    6. Re:even worse by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      The food mediocre and overpriced.

      I think that's the problem with movie theaters in the US.
      Why the fuck do you have to eat or drink during a movie? You can't even eat properly in a theater. It's dark and there is no table, and yeah, the bladder problem.
      I guess it is a cultural thing but personally, I think that eating in theaters is unhealthy, annoying to others and not even enjoyable. I much prefer eating in a real restaurant before or after the movie.

    7. Re:even worse by lgw · · Score: 1

      The Iron Man movies are good though - other than the mandatory big stupid Hollywood ending, they aren't even explosion fests.

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    8. Re:even worse by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      I think that "The Hobbit" should get the gold.
      3x3 hours for a freakin' kids book.
      It is 5 times shorter than the Lord of the Rings, so logically, it should have been made into a standard 1h30-2h movie.

    9. Re:even worse by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      These shitty movie directors need to get their egos under control and realise that that kind of movie needs to be 90-100 minutes tops.

      Then people will complain that the movies are too short and they aren't getting enough for their money.

    10. Re:even worse by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      The problem is with ticket prices what they are, they feel like they have to make them longer lest the public feel like they aren't getting their money's worth. To go that route, they'd have to cut budgets (something they should do anyways) so ticket prices can be more affordable. $15 is too much for an hour and a half of entertainment (granted I see matinees for $7.5 on weekends).

    11. Re:even worse by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Another aspect of Murphy's Law: when you run to the bathroom to unload the coke you drank, that's when the movie gets interesting.

      Thats why the remote control has a pause button! OH WAIT!

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    12. Re:even worse by Viewsonic · · Score: 1

      The last three hour movie I went to, Strange Days, had an intermissions 1.5hrs into it. I haven't been to any that long since.

    13. Re:even worse by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      And even if they do have 3 hours of story to tell, they really should go the Lord of the Rings route. Do an initial release in theaters with a shorter cut, and save the full length cut for a special edition home video release.

      The Fellowship of the Ring was the one (and only one) of the trilogy there that was much much better in every way with the extended release.
      The other two packed in scenes that disrupted the flow of the movie (IE, too many cutaways to Merry and Pippin during Helm's Deep) or really were unnecessary. But Fellowship worked better in its extended edition. The pacing was better, and the movie didn't drag nearly as much in the second half since the intermission set expectations on how long the second half would actually be.

      But the LOTR movies actually had enough plot for three hour movies.
      The Hobbit movies, as a counter, absolutely did not. They should have been 90-minute movies at the longest, or just two regular-length ones. Something like that.

  8. Deafening volume by gti_guy · · Score: 1

    I'd go to the movie theater if they brought the volume back down to what is was 20 years ago. Even with ear plus in, I can't stand the volume -- it physically hurts.

    1. Re:Deafening volume by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      The last time I went to a big chain movie theater was the first JJ Trek. Before the ads even started the speakers were humming loudly, once the movie started the smallest sounds were like small grenades and the loudest caused the speakers to pop, I half expected to see sparks flying out of them.

      Now I go to the alamo drafthouse. The rooms smell a bit funny thanks to all the spilled food, but at least the sound system is decent. The carnivore pizza is pretty damn good though.

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    2. Re:Deafening volume by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I'd go to the movie theater if they brought the volume back down to what is was 20 years ago. Even with ear plus in, I can't stand the volume -- it physically hurts.

      I hear where you're coming from (see what I did there?). However, don't just be so quick to blame the cinemas. It's also a problem with the way the films are mixed. They seem to relish mixing it with the absolute maximum dynamic range possible, so that the quiet bits are really quiet and the loud bits will deafen you.

      It's really annoying even at home watching a film like that because I want to be able to hear the conversations without having enough power to blow out the windows when something explodes.

      I don't have the problem for old film which were mixed for much less advanced kit.

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    3. Re:Deafening volume by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Even with ear plus in, I can't stand the volume -- it physically hurts.

      If this is not just hyperbole for the purpose of highlighting your point, then you're either using the wrong ear plugs or you're not inserting them correctly. I suggest plugs like E-A-R Superfit, as they have an indicator band to show you when they're not correctly placed.

      I seriously doubt there is a movie theater sound system that can be uncomfortably loud with correctly placed in-ear earplugs of 30+ db noise reduction. Most theaters I've been to have under-built the speakers and try to over-drive them anyway. Result: clipped signal that destroys the fidelity of the sound and generally sounds like shit, but isn't enough to cause hearing damage.

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  9. I guess all you guys have a sign that says: by mykepredko · · Score: 1, Funny

    KIDS: STAY OFF THE LAWN!

  10. Theaters are strangling the movie business by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    [Mayor Quimby voice]: I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone.

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  11. Sounds like a great opportunity by MountainLogic · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a great opportunity for entrepreneurs. Seems like a good fit for those who have the mentality of restaurateurs. There have been some some dinner theater type place for a long time. How a bout an local organic restaurant that also serves up documentaries with your soup? Even sounds like an opportunity for Starbucks: coffee, a scone and a Sundance movie. Sounds like the content providers really want to be outlets so what's the problem.

    1. Re:Sounds like a great opportunity by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      More hipster shops! It's not enough yet?

    2. Re:Sounds like a great opportunity by MountainLogic · · Score: 1

      Can there every be enough ironically mustachioed barista ushers?

  12. Re:CEO says is Product is the Answer by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    What competition? If anything, Netflix IS the competition to the movie buggy whip business.

    Time has passed you by, theaters. You may have a reason to continue existing as a niche product, but for watching "normal" movies, you're superfluous and, essentially, not competitive anymore.

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  13. Ahem... by kdn102 · · Score: 1

    This is like saying that Hardware manufacturer's are responsible for the failing software industry! What a myopic statement to make. It's the film industry that's strangling things. If they would share more profits with the theaters, then the theaters might actually have money leftover to innovate!!! The whole reason digital projector's were forced on the industry is that the film industry wanted more money. It had nothing to do with quality. It was control of distribution and profits. This single moved did more to hurt innovation in theaters than any other single move by the film industry. Most small movie theaters went under because they could not afford the tech.

  14. Innovate! Innovate! Zzzz by klek · · Score: 1

    Why the F does everything have to be about "innovation" all the time? No change is not a de facto negative.
    Some things don't need new bells and whistles... can we really improve on forks? Or cast iron pans? for example?
    As mcmonkey points out in "No innovation? I wish!", constant change for the sake of some fantasy-land of "innovation!" can lead to a New Terrible.
    The constant full-court press of "Growth!" is a cancerous convolution of profit-driven economies. Stability is a welcome and necessary trait.

  15. The Experience is Dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I used to love going to the theatre but over the last 15 years the experience has become more and more difficult to enjoy

    The big distributors built massive theatres miles away from anything, charge a premium on everything (with added fees for dumb gimmicks I never wanted, like 3D or multi-screen). Ugly digital projection run by automation rather than humans to ensure that the screen isn't blurry or off centre or otherwise fucked up to the human eye.

    People who did pay the small fortune to get in are bored after 5 minutes and start flipping their massive phones out illuminating their narcissistic habits

    Seeing movies at the threatre used to be a joy, yeah popcorn and a drink was expensive back then too, the floors were sticky and there was that kid that kept kicking the back of the seat but once you were in there that stuff faded away, it was magic, you were on the beaches of Normandy with Tom Hanks. You were standing in the rain with Neo wondering what was going to come next, you laughed your ass off when Ace Ventura parked his car (like a glove).

    Now I get in, watch 30 minutes of commercials, cringe at the violently unbalanced audio, try and figure out if the blurry pixels on the corner of the screen is the angle of the digital projector lens or my glasses and then after all that watch the soft-reboot of something that wasn't very good in the first place because the movie I wanted to see was only shown twice thanks to some accountant somewhere who bought statistics from a company that decided all movies should be the most banal experiences possible ensured that "The "Blockbuster"" should play 47 times a day to empty auditoriums

    I. Am. Done.

    Watching a movie at home is fine, but it's not like the theatre used to be... I'm getting old and jaded but even the fucking dollar theatre was a better experience than what we have now, at least when you saw a shitty movie in those days some hilarious drunk bastard would add some colour to what you were watching and oh well, it actually was a dollar or two to get in anyway so who cares?

    Maybe the experience could come back, but then we lost drive ins back in the 90s and they never came back...

    Somebody bury this corpse

    1. Re:The Experience is Dead by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      man, you are going to the wrong sessions...

  16. As a married guy with a kid by phorm · · Score: 1

    I think that many people are missing the draw of theatres, or perhaps they're just worse in the USA and/or you're going at the wrong times.

    Yeah, you might get some loud, popcorn-throwing kids if you go to a brand-new StarWars movie at the 8pm showing, but frankly at home I have:
    * A nice-sized LCD TV
    * A good 5.1 surround-sound system that I wired/configured myself
    * Comfy couches
    * Good tasting food
    * A nice XBMC setup for watching shows

    However, what I also have is a 2-yr-old. That means that realistically, all the above are pretty much used to display episodes of "Curious George" or "Pororo". As much as I'd like to crank it all up late at night and watch some movie with fancy effects and big explosions, the surround gets turned down to avoid waking the kiddo.

    The alternative, my wife and I swap turns going out with friends to see the shows we really want in the theatres (or on the odd occasion, go together and get a sitter). Generally there's a nice dinner beforehand, and the shows themselves are at an hour when other people's sh*thead kids are already home or in bed. Yeah, the popcorn, drink, and tickets are a bit expensive, but getting 4 hours of time out is worth a lot!

    1. Re:As a married guy with a kid by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Having lived in the US and the UK, unless the UK quality has gone down significantly in the last few decades, the experience in the US at a cinema is a lot less pleasant. The cinema's are dirtier. The patrons less respectful and noisy. More kids at later shows. Cinema's less comfortable.

      Maybe it's just where I've lived in the US, but the all-round experience of cinemas over here is a lot less pleasant. It's where nasty, noisy, stinky people go.

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    2. Re:As a married guy with a kid by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      There are headphones......

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    3. Re:As a married guy with a kid by phorm · · Score: 1

      I think my best experience (thus far) was in Korea. When you buy the ticket, you get an assigned seat (or can choose your seats). That means that I don't have to show up 30+ minutes early so that my group of friends can actually manage to sit together in a decent spot for a popular flick.

      Even Canada doesn't have that yet, unfortunately.

    4. Re:As a married guy with a kid by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      getting 4 hours of time out is worth a lot!

      going out? It's /. (people here normally don't get out of the basement...)

    5. Re:As a married guy with a kid by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      in some theaters it happen here (in Brazil), on others don't: it's a theater-related thing (not a country-related thing)

    6. Re:As a married guy with a kid by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      They do, but not standard. I've seen quite a few movies at various Cineplex theaters that have involved reserved seating.

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  17. The same movie by darkain · · Score: 1

    The movie is the same movie (save for small details on what is/isnt cut) in theater vs home. So why pay $12.50/person in theater vs $20/total for home?

    The movie theaters need to make it more about the experience than just the product (the movie) itself.

    A few local theaters have changed their seating to be 180-degree leather reclining seats. Something that makes the experience a HELL of a lot more comfortable. Some theaters also include Dolby Atmos, if you love amazing sound systems. I've also heard of some friends mention there is a theater nearby that offers at-seat catering of food/alcohol, tho I've yet to go to this one. And lastly, for those on a budget, there is a local $2 theater that shows movies just after the big chains, and then makes it even cheaper for half-priced Tuesdays.

    1. Re:The same movie by HBI · · Score: 1

      The 'second run theater' is not a new thing. They mostly all got forced out of business by the early 90s, but that was most of the movie watching I did as a kid.

      The movie business is what it is because of their own poor choices - like cab companies. They suckled at the teat of their monopoly business for a very long time and now that competition is here, complaints start and fingerpointing begins.

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  18. It's dead, Jim by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Movie theaters are part of Americana.

    So are buggy whips.

    You can put up as big a screen at home as you have room for, and money to spend. It's not even that expensive, especially as compared to the cumulative costs of a movie theater habit.

    Once you have a system at home, you no longer have to put up with sitting by strangers breathing various horrors in your general direction; crying babies; talking people; missing sections of the movie because you needed to hit the head; incredibly expensive and limited "snacks"; spilled sodas running over your feet from behind; seating not specifically chosen by you (and frankly, unlikely to be comfortable); lack of privacy; interference from people using cellphones (or conversely, your inability to use one if you need to); being tied to the theater's schedule; being deluged with ads from every business with an ad budget and no way to mute the obnoxiousness; waiting in line; dealing with the weather; being unable to re-cue the movie to see something you didn't quite catch; dealing with a watch-once-per-huge-cost experience.

    If you put some (not a lot of) effort into it, you can have much better theater seating than you're going to get out of 99.9999% of commercial theaters (reclining, soft, blanketed, your SO snuggled up right next to you with out an armrest in someone's soft parts, perfect viewing position every time.) Great sound is easy too. "Largeness" is primarily about resolution and seating distance, so it's really more tricky to get right if you want to please a larger number of viewers. If you are most concerned about you and your SO, for instance, you can set thing s up very easily so the same amount of your visual field is covered, you have excellent resolution, and fabu sound. Going bigger is always awesome, but it's important to understand that the main benefit is the ability to seat and similarly gift a larger number of viewers with equivalent high resolution.

    Theaters, near as I can tell, offer only the following:

    o a place to take a date that's public, so they have a safety net re you climbing all over them in an unwanted fashion

    o an action that is expensive, which can make a date feel like you consider them worthy of same (raise prostitution arguments here, I won't argue.)

    o a largish screen, presuming you don't beat them at that game (which takes foresight and money in terms of home spaces)

    o about 90 days (at present) one-upsmanship on home viewing timing; that, of course, is wholly artificial -- but quite real.

    o higher resolution in some theaters, however this is almost always hugely compromised by non-sharp imagery. Some CGI does show this off, presuming you are seated at the correct distance to the screen, which isn't by any means a given. Even seating at optimum distance with just 1080p isn't all that easy to get right -- there's pretty much just a few feet, depth-wise, where normal visual acuity and that kind of resolution meet and derive full benefit. Likewise, there's only a small set of rows / seats in a commercial theater where you'll actually get the benefit of even higher resolution, presuming the movie actually uses such resolution.

    ...If those points aren't valuable to you (they aren't to me, at all) then the theater is now effectively a buggy whip. I haven't been to a movie theater in almost ten years (pretty much since projection systems dropped into a range where I decided they were doable.) And you know what? Although my system is moderately expensive, to the point where it blows most people's minds, based on the number of movies we own and have watched, many multiple times, I have saved a huge amount of money, which I then get to put into other things.

    I understand the theater business owners' desire to preserve their business model. But I think the writing is on the wall. And I really think that a society that attempts to artificially protect someone's particular business model is making a mistake at any le

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    1. Re:It's dead, Jim by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      It can be fun to be part of an audience.

      Sure. Like the Rocky Horror shows. Good point. If being part of a crowd is worth the price of admission to you, then that's super cool. Can't edit a slashdot post, so best I can do is acknowledge the point.

      I don't think that's going to keep theaters alive, though. They need something you can't get at home that everyone craves. The artificial delay to arrival in the home is the best draw along those lines, IMO. Come some other tech that might not be practical or unduly difficult at home -- VR or huge 3D scenes for instance -- I can imagine a theater renaissance. That's right along the line of audience participation as well.

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    2. Re:It's dead, Jim by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Wow, what kind of crappy cinemas do *you* go to?

      My second most local has shows for a fiver all day every day (except which is 6 quid and I try to avoid them anyway) and it's way better than that. My most local one might have crying babies, but only if you go to the "big scream" showings and for them you won't be let in if you don't have a baby with you anyway.

      If you drink so much soda you need to stop the film to pee, how about you drink less soda next time? That's one of the things about the cinema, because you can't stop, get more food, go pee, etc, etc it's a more immersive experience. And also, it has a potentially large audience. Audience atmosphere can add a lot to the film. There's nothing you can get at home comparable to watching a film in a packed cinema when the aufience is really engaged.

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    3. Re:It's dead, Jim by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Sure. Like the Rocky Horror shows. Good point. If being part of a crowd is worth the price of admission to you, then that's super cool. Can't edit a slashdot post, so best I can do is acknowledge the point.

      There were a number of movies that were fantastic to see as part of a communal experience. Jurassic Park is one that came to mind since back in '93 you could actually hide details of movies before they were released. IE, no one outside of the movie industry knew the dinosaurs were going to look as good as they were. The sheer awe and excitement that rippled through the theater during the first brachiosaurus scene was a movie magic experience, something you can't get at home. Star Wars was another example, Lord of the Rings something similar. IE, any time an 'event' film is worth the build-up, the payoffs are better than I'd get at home.

    4. Re:It's dead, Jim by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      The sheer awe and excitement that rippled through the theater during the first brachiosaurus scene was a movie magic experience, something you can't get at home.

      I can get the reaction myself, and that of my SO and our guests, if any. Plus then I can replay it. I am not saying your experience is not valid, just that for me, at least, there is nothing positive to be had in exeriencing a crowd of people I don't know (and frankly, have no interest in) react.

      While I missed the issue in my first post and I regret that as I was trying to be accurate, the reason I missed it is because it's not something I value. Sometimes it takes another POV to step in and put the finger on "other" benefits.

      it's like going on about the glory of spicy food -- to someone who doesn't like spicy food. :)

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  19. Post-Economics by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    While there is much study and discussion about monopolistic behavior, and the formation and maintenance of monopolies, and the dismantling or replacement of monopolies, there is less about the decline and eventual diminishment (to the point of irrelevance) of said monopolies.

    The movie industry is facing the disintermediation of several components of the industry. Production is being democratized and decentralized as equipment is cheaper than ever, and even animation is affordable. We will see 4K recording on smartphones that is good enough to project.

    But the exhibitors are struggling also, with 4K TVs offering a competitive home theatre experience, alternative outlets such as Netflix penetrating their markets, and cable pay outlets such as HBO also leveraging
    online streaming to expand markets. Geographic restrictions are being defeated. Piracy seems, to me, to be both unimportant and at a stable level.

    The producers will soon abandon the exhibitors, or more accurately expand their exhibition options, and make first releases on other channels or platforms.

    And exhibitors are trying to adapt, to attract either a loyal audience, or to increase profits. They cannot continue to raise prices on concessions, and ticket prices by themselves are becoming a problem. So more are adding amenities. Regal has had both reclining seats and reserved seating for a while - I see AMC is installing recliners locally (Phoenix), and I expect all exhibitors will.

    And audience behavior will be addressed as the market shrinks. If I'm paying a premium for a comfortable seat, reserved seating, and probably a bit for my popcorn and watery iced tea, I'm inclined to buttonhole the manager and tell them that texting and incessant noises are leading me to go elsewhere. In a standard theatre, I'm less tolerant than ever of being kicked in the back by someone's kid. Especially in an 'R' flick. That was an uncomfortable conversation, explaining that a 10 year old kicking my seat was wrong twice.

    Industries either deliver value, meet needs, or perish.

    What else can the exhibitors do?

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  20. It is a Government-created problem. by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 4, Informative

    The studios are not allowed to own their own theaters, per the 1948 ruling in United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc.. The ruling is the same as making the claim that Matco can't make it's own tools and sell them from their own trucks or Apple can't sell iPhones from its own stores. Totally lame and arbitrary and definitely contributes to reduced investment, thus reduced innovation.

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    1. Re:It is a Government-created problem. by Rakarra · · Score: 2

      Totally lame and arbitrary and definitely contributes to reduced investment, thus reduced innovation.

      It also strengthened the hand of independent movie studios, because the big studios couldn't keep them out of major theaters. This is a good thing.
      It strengthened the hand of independent theaters, since.. well, all theaters were independent of the studios now. This is a good thing.
      The Hays Production Code took a major hit. This is a very good thing.
      The "studios" also no longer own actors who can make movies for any studio. The is also a very good thing.

      I'm not really seeing the downside here.

    2. Re:It is a Government-created problem. by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 1

      By your reasoning, we should abolish all manufacturer-owned retail outlets, because there is no benefit to Sears selling Craftsman, Tesla-owned dealerships, or Dell making their own computers, etc. Somehow, when someone makes a movie and wants to display it in a dedicated venue onto a projected screen in a dark stadium, we just can't tolerate it.

      BTW, how come if independent theaters were made strong, then why is Hastings complaining about an oligopoly?

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    3. Re:It is a Government-created problem. by Rexdude · · Score: 1

      That's interesting, because India's oldest and largest theatre chain, PVR, began about 20 years ago as a joint venture between the Australian production company Village Roadshow and a single theater in Delhi called Priya (hence the acronym).

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  21. Nonsense by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Part of the problem is that small movies, such as many Netflix has snagged from places like Sundance, would be better distributed both at home and in theaters.

    Right.

    If they collude to face the theaters, it's anti-trust, but if they are the ones to take the first step, their films will get killed.

    Baloney. The small films often "get killed" anyway. Put in a modicum of advertising (say, subway billboards) and implement a competent social media campaign, and if the audience exists they will find the film.

    Hastings probably wants a Netflix exclusive, which might well get a film killed, but a simultaneous release on all the popular monetized platforms will do fine.

    The big if's are if the film is any good and if the marketing and distribution are confident. The trick will be as soon as any of the three is bad, the other two will be assigned blame. So get it right already.

    Probably best to start with a low-budget sequel to a film with an existing fanbase because creating demand out of the gate is going to be hard. "Bridget Jones's Baby" would have been a good one, for instance. But the studios stand to profit by cutting out the theatres, so there's a far incentive to take on some risk.

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  22. I have no interest in home theaters by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

    They waste space, cost a lot of money and tend to become obsolete quickly. Devotees spend more time playing with their system than they do actually enjoying a movie and I figure I can go out to the movies for a few decades once a week for the money some people put into trying to replicate a movie theatre. It's really almost the Uber vs buying a car in reverse. Why buy a car or a movie theatre when someone else can provide you one on demand for less?

    A couch and less than gargantuan screen is perfectly fine for light fare at home for me.

    I enjoy the big screen experience at my local theater. They spent the thousands on power reclining seats instead of me, I can reserve seats ahead of time and I have a choice of ultra cheap matinees or the Friday night full price tickets.

    Getting out of the house isn't a bad thing to do either.

  23. This just in... by skeptical_monster · · Score: 1

    Grocery stores are strangling the food industry. Car dealerships are strangling the auto industry. Local storage is strangling the cloud industry. Pencils and paper are the downfall of Evernote.

    1. Re:This just in... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Car dealerships are strangling the auto industry, i.e. the laws in many states that you must buy from a dealer and not direct from the factory that Tesla is trying to get repealed. Generally, "strangling the industry" is only a problem when monopoly power exists, so groceries are not a problem. However, the fact that we only have about 4 giant media companies producing 99% of the television and movies in the country is a real problem -- and the same companies own most of the cable networks too.

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  24. The problem is with the studios, not the theaters by rcrodgers · · Score: 1

    Although I've been a programmer for 30 years, I [relatively] recently (2012) got my degree in Cinema Studies, which is the formal analysis of film as a text. (It's not just saying whether a film is good or bad, but examining themes, set design, sound, etc.) Part of my studies involved looking at the whole process, from pitching a film through global distribution. We all complain about the high costs of movie tickets and snacks at theaters, the frequently lousy chairs and so forth, but the movie studios are not innocent in those costs. While I don't have exact figures to give, out of a $12 movie ticket, the theater may only be getting about $1.50 of the revenue, maybe even less, as the studios are charging them exorbitant licensing and leasing fees for each movie. In addition, they sometimes force theaters to take films that they know are or will be crappy as part of a package deal in order to get the big films. Ever hear the term blockbuster? That's from studios leasing a block of films to theaters, most of which will not be good, in order to get one or two films that everyone is going to want to see. The first blockbusters were films that they sold outside of those blocks because they wanted to make sure that they maximized their potential income.

    The only place theaters, including both the small boutique theaters and big chains, make money on are the snacks and food they serve in the theater. As the movie studios continue to raise the costs of leasing the films, the theaters are forced to increase their food costs to keep up while trying to strike a balance with the actual ticket costs. (Lets face it, none of us would likely pay $20 to see Twilight. Hell, I wouldn't take money to see it...)

    And then, there's Hollywood's push towards digital distribution, which I admit makes the movie-going experience more pleasant all around. (I've been in a theater when the celluloid film strip melted on the projector, not to mention the graininess that's sometimes there.) A theater quality digital film projector system costs over $75,000, you can probably pile at least another $20k or more on top of that for theater quality THX and/or Dolby speakers, $5-10k for a good projection screen, and God knows how much for seats, maintenance, etc. for each individual theater room at a multiplex. Some of the movie studios have helped with the transition from celluloid to digital projection, it was in their best interests after all, and in the past helped with the hifi to stereo transition, but on the whole, the studios' only goal is to squeeze money out of the theaters. And don't get me started on why they keep making formulaic sequels and remaking/rebooting films... That's got absolutely nothing to do with them being out of ideas, in case you're thinking that...

    So, bottom line, Hastings is only partially right. The theaters are the easy target for his blame, but then he's not trying to put films in theaters. It's the movie studios that are really to blame for the sad state of film though.

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  25. "Flatline" is not "flat" by Archtech · · Score: 1

    "The movie theater business has seen flatline revenue, Hastings said".

    That's a truly beautiful example of deceptive speech. He meant that revenue has been "flat" - in other words, they are not always getting more money with every passing year. When you think about it, how bad can that really be? Must everything grow eternally, without limit?

    But the word he chose to use was "flatline", a medical term for "the continuous straight line displayed on a heart monitor which indicates cardiac arrest or death". (COED) A "flatliner" is someone who is dead! So, even if you understand his real meaning, there is the connotation of death and decay in the background.

    Of course, I suppose it's always possible Hastings was merely following the common instinct to lengthen words by adding extra syllables.

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  26. "Innovation"? by whitroth · · Score: 1

    Horse hockey. The studios don't own the theatres, theatre companies do, and the studios want an arm and a leg to show the films, and the theatre companies want the other arm and a leg for profit... and the theatres pay the staff from the food and drinks.

    The result is, what, it was $20/person last year for an IMAX show of Interstellar. $20 for a MOVIE? And another what, $10? $15? $20? for popcorn and sodas?

    Gee, I just don' know why fewer people is going to da theatres....

    1. Re:"Innovation"? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Theaters are basically breaking even on ticket sales, 90% of the ticket money goes to the distributor. Theaters make all their money selling $8 popcorn, $6 soda, and $5 candy -- just try sneaking your own food and drink in and see how they react! Basically, I can get a good meal for what my daughter wants me to spend on soda and popcorn every time she watches a movie. And when she says "Ok, I'll just drink water!" they hand her a $6 bottle of water -- that's right, they won't give you a free glass of water.

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    2. Re:"Innovation"? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      I've never tried, but I'd bet if you asked for a complimentary cup of water they are probably obliged to provide it. It was that way when I worked fast food. It may vary by state law. As for sneaking food, I wouldn't bother now, but in my youth we would bring in submarine sandwiches in our coat sleeves.

    3. Re:"Innovation"? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The result is, what, it was $20/person last year for an IMAX show of Interstellar. $20 for a MOVIE? And another what, $10? $15? $20? for popcorn and sodas?

      Gee, I just don' know why fewer people is going to da theatres....

      We're talking IMAX here. If you're going to IMAX, it's probably because you want to wowed by a gorgeous image and incredible sound (otherwise, you'd be watching the non-IMAX version), two things you aren't going to get at home unless you shell out for a home theater. But how much is that big screen TV and those fancy speakers going to cost? And how many $20 theater tickets are you going to avoid until that decision breaks even?

  27. Re:Disingenuous Self Serviing Tripe by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    For good films on Netflix, get a DVD subscription. The studios have refused to let Netflix have good stream content.

  28. Movie Makers Strangling Movie Making Business by avandesande · · Score: 1

    There are two types of movies being made now:
    flash bang glitz that might benefit from a large screen but offset by garbage plot and dialog, not worth paying for so I watch at home
    indie-ish movies with good story and plot but don't really benefit from the big screen so I watch at home

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    1. Re:Movie Makers Strangling Movie Making Business by judoguy · · Score: 1

      There are two types of movies being made now: flash bang glitz that might benefit from a large screen but offset by garbage plot and dialog, not worth paying for so I watch at home indie-ish movies with good story and plot but don't really benefit from the big screen so I watch at home

      I have to disagree with that statement.

      Take the recent film Rams, a very interesting Icelandic film. It benefits immensely from a big screen because of the fairly quiet nature of the film. Sweeping vistas in some shots, etc.

      Seeing this on a tablet or computer monitor would be a complete waste of time. I have a 130" CinemaScope screen at home and that is, of course, the preferred venue, but a decent movie house will still be 100 hundred times better than a small screen someplace.

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    2. Re:Movie Makers Strangling Movie Making Business by avandesande · · Score: 1

      My assumption would be that this discussion is mostly about movies created by the US movie industry juggernaut... opportunities to see foreign films in US movie houses are vanishingly rare. I would agree that there are still great movies made outside of the US.

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  29. Poor movie studios by castus · · Score: 1

    First VHS was strangling them. Later everyone with an internet connection could "steal" all the movies they had worked so "hard" to produce. And now when this "theft" has finally started to decline, the movie theaters are wrapping their slimy hands around their necks.

    "I say to you that the movie theaters is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone."
    - Reed Hastings

  30. 4K video is for theaters by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    not for all home users... Netflix is playing bad here

    1. Re:4K video is for theaters by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I have a 4K television, 4K BluRay player, and 150 watt sound bar at home, so I don't know what you're talking about. The only reason I would need to go to a theater is for 3D; 3D televisions are still pretty pricey (i.e. $4000). I keep complaining to my daughter that I could get a decent meal in a restaurant for the $14 they charge for a soda and popcorn in a theater... seems like pretty sketchy economics to but anything in a theater.

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    2. Re:4K video is for theaters by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      there is noticeable difference from a 4K movie and a, let's say, 1080p? And the sound make very little difference (the bandwidth used for it is ridiculous, even with "mega-blaster" quality).

    3. Re:4K video is for theaters by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      The food and drink at the drafthouse style theatres isn't any more than regular pub fare.

  31. Re:Disingenuous Self Serviing Tripe by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    "quality" is very subjective here (it's more-like taste) - I'm always listening people that "that excellent movie is not on Netflix catalog"

  32. The importance of the release date by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well if you really want to see a movie on its release date there are not many legal options.

    First off, you're exactly right. If you want to see something the minute it's released, that's the only way to go.

    So I'd like to offer another thought. What's so great about that?

    Seriously. What's so great about having something the minute it's available? We put a lot of importance on that for some reason. The 2017 Chevys are out early, the latest Star Wars film was just released, Apple just made a phone that is 2% faster than their last one.

    Why do we care?

    Perhaps that's the thing we should be examining. The theater isn't a barrier to seeing a movie, they're a barrier to seeing a just released movie. That movie you want to see will be the exact same movie a week or a month or a year from now. And you have plenty of legal avenues (and far cheaper ones, and far more pleasant ones) than going to a theater.

    Maybe the real problem is instant gratification, and our dependence on it.

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    1. Re:The importance of the release date by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      The latest iPhone is 100x faster than the original iPhone was 9 years ago.

      And 10000x faster than the original iPhone after updating its iOS. Planned obsolescence? More like engineered unusability.

      Dicks.

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  33. Re:We dont' go to theatres any more. by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    there are some niche theaters, you know... "metropolitan" areas are full of them (god, how I miss São Paulo in that way... :P)

  34. Disagree by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems to me that the real problem is the low quality output of the Hollywood studios, combined with their monopoly on the US market.
    In Europe you often see films from many different countries/cultures, in the US, its ALL Hollywood monoculture output only.
    Everything Hollywood make is totally formulaic and predictable, and the plot has become irrelevant to the eye-candy. Go back to the black and white movies of the 40's/50's. Maltese Falcon, Casablanca, Gone With The Wind etc. Amazing, engaging, intelligent stories.
    Now all we get is just endless hybrids of one of 7 or so standard moralized storylines,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    and a bunch of CGI effects. The result is entirely predictable, unimaginative and only truly engaging to people with an IQ of about 80 at most.
    Presumably because that's what the studios now believe is the lowest cost/least effort approach needed in order to make something that will probably be profitable, rather than actually good.
    Its gotten so bad that a high percentage of American masses seriously think Hollywood Physics is how things actually work in real life.
    http://www.informationweek.com...?

    1. Re:Disagree by painandgreed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Everything Hollywood make is totally formulaic and predictable, and the plot has become irrelevant to the eye-candy. Go back to the black and white movies of the 40's/50's. Maltese Falcon, Casablanca, Gone With The Wind etc. Amazing, engaging, intelligent stories.

      Yes, but I bet you're cherry picking a few great movies out of two decades, and there are the other 90% of the movies out at the time that had the same issue that you are complaining about current movies having. Do you have any idea of how many Charlie Chan or Tarzan movies alone were made in that time period? In 50 years, somebody else will be describing the great movies of the 00's and 10's while complaining about their current movies.

    2. Re:Disagree by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Do you know how many movies Hollywood churns out these days. There are more movies made today then back in the '40s/'50s and even '70s.

    3. Re:Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A bunch of that problem your seeing hasn't got anything to do with the U.S. Hollywood studios are making movies that will play in Asia, especially China, to people who may not speak English, so complex plots and dialog don't work very well. CGI works equally good or bad in all countries.

      The problem is the Asia movie market has passed the U.S. and Europe in size so U.S. studios are pandering to it to make money

    4. Re:Disagree by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Thats pretty insightful. Wish I had mod points and that you hadn't posted as AC.

    5. Re:Disagree by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Not exactly.

      ALL action movie endings:

      You forgot the "good guy beats bad guy even though good guy has everything stacked against him" part.
      It most usually comes down to an unfeasably long and urealistically brutal fist fight even though by any degree of realism they would inevitably have/use weapons and/or it would be over in seconds.
      The fight never leave's any marks on the good guy's face except maybe a charismatic scratch at the corner of his eye/cheekbone, but the bad guy inevitably gets an ugly fat lip or similar.
      Sometime during the fight the bad guy gets an "unfair" advantage and uses it, injuring the good guy in a way that would stop anyone else, but the good guy uses sheer will-power to keep fighting and ultimately causes the indirect death (as opposed to direct murder) of the bad guy (by causing something to fall on him or him to fall into fire/acid/lava/deep hole/monster's mouth).
      Optional ending 1) since according to Hollywood rule #4 (all sources of evil MUST be completely eliminated by the end of the movie) The good guy tries but fails to save the bad guy (usually using the arm the bad guy injured earlier so the good guy is putting himself in even more pain to save the bad guy)
      Optional extended ending 1) The bad guy has a "come to jesus" moment and voluntarily lets go of the good guys saving hand, thus voluntarily killing himself but also spiritually redeeming himself.
      Only other permissible ending) Good guy thinks he's killed bad guy, turns his back and starts to walk away. Bad guy is actually only nearly dead, can't hardly move, but manages to just reach previously discarded gun on ground. He aims to shoot good guy in back, a gun goes off, but it turns out the single shot was not actually from the bad guy but the tag-along girl who up until a moment ago had been knocked unconscious or otherwise presumed out-of-action. She hits the bad guy right between the eyes with a single shot (Hollywood rule #6 love interests cannot show excessive violence) . Good guy picks up injured girl, they kiss at last (Hollywood rule #1 being good ALWAYS pays off in the end) he carries her to the waiting police cars/ambulances. (Hollywood moral #8 society is basically there to help but you need to look out for yourself)

      Sound familiar?

    6. Re:Disagree by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      So which are the great movies of the 00's and 10's?

  35. No innovation? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Has this critic been to a Cinetopia? Theaters with wine bars that seat you in living room style seating and serve you food and drinks to your seats sounds like an innovation to me. Of course, you pay through the nose for this service, so it's really only good for taking dates to that you want to impress. I'm pretty sure all their theaters are 100% digital too.

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  36. Re:Get rid of the people by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    it's already happening: besides popular crap that full theater rooms, "authoral" (and general good) things makes empty rooms on theaters (in movies I generally go to the theaters to watch, normally was just few people in the session... I imagine some session are left empty...)

  37. Re:Innovate! Innovate! Zzzz by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    I second that

  38. Pull the other one by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    Movie theaters do not have a strangle hold. Please the studios control everything AND there's nothing preventing a movie studio from going direct to Netflix if they wanted.

    Fuck off you money grubbing bastards.

  39. No lead... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    Depends on the movie theater doesn't it Potsy. There are independent move theaters that show the smaller type movies. You will almost never see an indie or foreign movie in a major chain but you will see them in smaller, independent movie theaters.

  40. Non-technical added value by DavidMZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Movie theaters had their reason to exist when they offered an added value over what you could have at home. That ceased to exist. Big screen? Have it. Dolby 7.1? Have it. 3D? Glad I don't have it. What else is there?

    I know that this is slashdot and that we like to focus on features, but for me the value proposition of movie theaters resides in their selection. This is probably irrelevant for you if you just want to watch the latest blockbuster but if you are interested in independent movies, having an independent theater whose owner has a vision of what makes movies interesting beyond $$ is priceless.It's like going to an independent record shop where the owner will have a selection of the new records he likes, and not proposing just the mainstream music.Some of the movies may challenge at first, but they will expend your vision of what movies can be and what kind of stories can be told.

    So basically, I let the owner of the theater do the selection for me, not based on my preferences, not based on my previous viewing history, not (entirely) based on what she thinks will make him earn the more money, but based on her cinematographic sensitivity and their extensive knowledge of movies. And I pester about the selection sometimes, and sometimes I will feel I have wasted my money on a movie, but I know that those people have brought me great movies I would not have seen otherwise and ultimately it's worth it.

  41. Who owns the bulk of theaters in America? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    CHINA does. That is why no innovation, high prices, and just serving liquor. Basically, CHina can destroy American studios and cause them to sell to China for a fraction of the $. Smart on their part.

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  42. AMC's dine in theater by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    is the closest thing to innovation that I've seen in a movie theater in over 20 years.

    Unfortunately, it's expensive and far away - so we stream movies at home most of the time.

  43. "3D" ruined it for me by Misagon · · Score: 1

    The biggest reason I don't go to movie theatres much any more is that the studios and theatres insist on showing them almost only in "3D" - which looks like a blurry dark mess.

    "Real-D" is total crap, not being able to project at proper brightness and with too much "crosstalk" between the eyes. The only mildly barely watchable 3D tech is IMAX 3D, but for which there is only one theatre in the whole country where I live (and it has been open for less than a year) and which costs twice as much as a 2D ticket (when they are available...).

    But even that does not work well. Stereoscopy at a fixed depth is straining on the eyes and they can't adjust fast enough when there are fast movements, making everything a blur.
    Many movies tend to mess up the scale for bigger effect, for instance making large structures look like tiny plastic models balancing at the tip of my nose -- and that just breaks the "suspension of disbelief", reminding my brain that I am watching a movie. When the framing and perspective instead is natural, such as they are in wide shots, the 3D effect is often so small that it does not add anything.

    So, give me 4K projection in 2D, in a large theatre with a good sound system! That's how you compete with watching a month later at home. Even if I watch only a DVD on a 32" TV, that still gives me better image quality than in a 3D theatre.

    Forget food and drink! I don't want my movie experience ruined by loud chewing noises in my neck and acidic smells.
    But DO organize midnight premieres of new blockbusters, where the biggest fans and the devout cosplayers (including me) show up. Those have been some of the best movie experiences of my life.

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  44. Huh? by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

    A theater's function is for someone to: Sit down Watch and (hopefuly) enjoy movie What "innovation" is needed? 3D? (on and off fad done to death)? Sensurround? (done with Earthquake but the bass was so powerful, it caused some people's ribs to fracture) Smellovision? (a stupid novelty plus allergy concerns) Imax? (exists) Change the tempature in sync with what's on the screen? (please God, no) Sorry for my ignorance, but seems to me like the equivilant of someone trying to come up with a non powered hammer that does more than drives and pulls out nails. Yeah, the ordinary hammer seems rather boring when you think about it, but I want my hammer to just be a hammer. All the theaters need to do is make sure the equipment is in good, working condition, that the seats are comfortable, that the place is clean, and most importantly, that it isn't overrun by selfish, disruptive idiots.

  45. Been to a theater recently? by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    I've been to a number around the country. While some are like they were 40 years ago, some are very modern. The one I was at this week you pick your seat when you buy the ticket. You can pay in cash, credit card or tap the android phone like I did. There are a LOT fewer seats than there used to be in this upgraded theater. The seats they have are mechanical very well padded chairs. Push a button and they'll recline for you. I saw the Clint Eastwood flick Sully. Space between my row and the one in front of me was quite a bit. I could walk by my wife to get out without any trouble at all. Yet the theater seated around 100. Most rows had 11 seats, 5 and 6 per row, then there were around 11 rows, however the last row was just a few chars since that was also the way to get in.

    Sound was 7.1 and was probably right about the right volume for the space. I could hear everything even though I'm up in age and I can't hear like I used to. Too many rifle shots and fireworks over the years. It sounded excellent.

    Try going to a theater. It's not your Grandfather's theater anymore.

  46. Theatres are the studios' bitches by AstroSurf · · Score: 1

    George Lucas and Star Wars stopped me from going to the movies (and I want to tell him that). I went to Phantom Menace and when I got home I was *still* infuriated about having to sit through about 50 commercials. All I could remember about the movie was the racial stereotyping. It was years before I went to another movie. I've seen about 6 films since that experience (The Prestige, Avatar, Storm Surfers, August Osage County, a Star Trek, and Snowden), all of them because someone with me wanted to go (except Avatar and SS; I wanted to see the new era of 3D and the surfing).

    I NEVER even THINK about going to the movies because they charge you to ruin your afternoon or evening. If the price of admission was given to me by them, I still wouldn't go. That said, I really enjoyed Snowden and there was NO COMMERCIALS! I was stunned, but happy. Sad to say, they never turned out the house lights so my gf couldn't give me one without being seen. I really want to see Dr. Strange but will only go if I know they'll turn the lights out. ;)

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  47. It's all just shit anyway. by zentigger · · Score: 1

    Seriously, everyone is talking about the features of a good cinema or how annoying all the teenagers are, but Nobody has even touched on the fact that all the movies running these days are just complete shit. There is nothing original happening. Everything is either the nth sequel to some shitty film that never should have had a sequel or it's a remake of a film that was good the first time around and is still just as good today.

    Personally, I don't go to the cinema any more because I would rather sit at home with a good book. In fact sitting at home with a bad book is preferable to 3 hours of shit like Batman vs Superman. I would almost prefer spending three hours sitting in the emergency ward with multiple stab wounds.

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    the above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head

  48. I'll go see a flick... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    I might go see a first run movie in an IMAX theater; yet only if it warrants seeing in huge, 3D; like a flick with lots of special effects. Otherwise, I am very happy to rent the DVD and watch in my small home theater.

    I cannot afford $15-$20/person to go to the movie theater. $2 to $5 is fine with me for the rental.

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    Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.