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Edward Snowden Kills Team Trump's Conspiracy Theory By Explaining How The FBI Can Quickly Comb Through Email (geekwire.com)
FBI director James Comey told Congress Sunday that the further investigation of emails related to Hillary Clinton didn't turn up anything that would cause the bureau to recommend charges against her. The FBI had reviewed over 650,000 emails under nine days. Upon hearing this, GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump and his supported started to question whether the FBI could go through all those emails in such a short period of time. We will never know for sure until the FBI explains its process to us all (which is unlikely to happen), so people turned to Edward Snowden over the weekend for answers. And Mr. Snowden didn't disappoint. From a report on GeekWire: How easy would it be to cull out the duplicate emails? Outspoken journalist Jeff Jarvis posed that question to Snowden in a tweet, and got a quick response: "Drop non-responsive To:/CC:/BCC:, hash both sets, then subtract those that match. Old laptops could do it in minutes-to-hours."
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... then we still don't know how plausible it is that they reviewed XXXX number of emails in 11 days, after taking months to review 80,000 emails before.
I could review 650k emails in a day, and then take the rest of the week off.
It would be very easy via automation to tag the emails which are dupes of ones already in the data set.
Which, apparently, was all of them. No shit, Sherlock.
reviewing non-dup emails is hard.
Snowden didn't do shit. As much as we all "love" him for his previous leaks, he didn't shoot ANYTHING down. He only answered how to dedup a list to make it smaller, not answer how large the list would be after the fact or how long it would take to comb through said remaining list.
the point is, if they can do it this quickly, why did take some many months the first time they investigated this?
FBI has botched this from the get-go and Comey continues to carry water to cover up the fact that she broke the law by even having the server.
Seriously, anyone who's ever had to do de-duplication or pattern matching or anything like that could have told you how easy this is to do. It's almost like computers are good for this kind of stuff!
Rawr
I work for an organization that is heavily involved in electronic discovery processing for large corporations, law firms and the United States government.
Email threading, and duplication detection / dedupe are standard tasks that are performed on a daily basis on huge datasets. (As part of the Processing phase of the EDRM model.)
It is not at all unfeasible that the FBI could have used standard, off the shelf software to identify duplicates and generate an exception report for all 'new' emails that were not in the previously collected datasets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The Trump crowd beautifully illustrates that.
Guy answers high school freshman-level tech support question. We'll have details on this exciting story as they develop.
Snowden != Assange.
I am so going to enjoy rubbing it into Trump supporter's faces on Wednesday.
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30% of my state has voted already - before hearing the FBI's "verdict" regarding charging Clinton this past weekend.
Trump is still saying the FBI is lying and they rigged the results - even though they made their announcement about the new emails last week during the early voting time making it look like they were tryng to tank Clinton.
The damage has been done.
This is not the country I want nor how I want our elections to go. And I am disgusted with the US Electorate. Regardless of who ends up in the Whitehouse, all of you will get the government you deserve.
What?
That you elected a lying bitch instead of a lying asshole?
That you elected someone who has no real accomplishments because the other guy has no real accomplishments?
I'm really trying to see what "rubbing" you're gonna do. My guess, if you're voting for Hillary because you like her lies better than the other lies.
I'll respond to any intelligent response. I am not holding my breath.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
I'm a network admin. Email technology isn't very complex. I can pull up 7 years worth of emails at a drop of a hat. The only real issue is digging through the ocean of emails if you don't know what you are looking for. This thread sounds like more the usual political spam that gets crapped into slashdot. Even if we found a smoking gun, the FBI would simply ignore it. The privileged elite are royalty. You can't arrest them.
First of all, how ridiculous that we go to a criminal who's been forced to live under the protection of the Russians for help on understanding something going on in the country. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong, but he certainly doesn't fall under the category of "reliable and unbiased", and I would take everything he says with a huge ol' grain of salt!
Having said that, his explanation just muddies up the water further. If they could parse the emails this quickly, then why did it take months to do the initial assessment? The FBI hasn't said one way or the other, which is why people think that this is the work of the DOJ (who are int eh Clinton's pocketbook)
Did you all forget that last week the case was assigned to someone who Podesta personally thanked in the past for keepingh im outta jail???
But Snowden's weighed in and his word is the gospel, right? So now we can just believe him and know everyone else out there is lying, right?
Wake up Sheeple! Don't get all comfy and warm in that blanket of misinformation - Demand accountability from our government!!
We all know who's going to win already, the only unknown is the shooting date. Has anyone started a lottery?
and we will pity sheeple like yourself for thinking it's ok to have a corrupt felon running your country.
But Snowden is literally an actual Putin-supported spy. Possibly the most famous one. So if Putin is somehow not able to control him from hurting Trump, are we supposed to believe that Putin is some all-powerful dictator able to coerce a billionaire into becoming his personal mole, infiltrating the FBI, and so on and so forth that Dems have claimed and massively exaggerated to the point of hysteria?
Your move, Correct the Record.
I am so going to enjoy rubbing it into Trump supporter's faces on Wednesday.
Funny, how you probably were one of those who were all riled up against the 1%'ers 4 years ago, or maybe even more recently as a Bernie supporter; but "What difference does it make!", when it comes to HRC, who is the only one of the two real contenders that is backed 100% by... Wait for it... The 1%'ers. Oh, Snap!
No matter who wins, we'll get the government we deserve.
Unfortunately, there is no way to kill a conspiracy theory. The best way to make a conspiracy theory flourish is to completely and utterly debunk it. Have you seen the flat earth society (would provide a link, but I don't want to help their SEO)?
That you elected a lying bitch instead of a lying asshole?
That you elected someone who has no real accomplishments because the other guy has no real accomplishments?
All I can say is: may the best woman win.
Congratulations on being part of the problem.
Not really. I thought Occupy was an absurd waste of time, and I thought the whole "1%er" nonsense was simply contrived. Not that I don't want to see the wealthy made more accountable, and large corporations brought more firmly under the rule of law, but to imagine a guy like Trump, whose business history has been one of screwing over investors, using every trick in the book to evade taxes, and who is, by definition, one of the Elite, was going to bring the "1%ers" to bear was so ludicrous and laughable that I just have to imagine that most of his supporters are either complete morons or were more likely hoping he'd be so fucking awful that he'd bring the system down (which is absurd, the Founding Fathers built the system to deal with even the most terrible Presidents).
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Of course when you're "Flat broke" (her words) 15 years ago, but are worth over 150 million today, you probably ARE "a champion for the working class", I mean most of us can pull that trick off, can't we. Aren't you worth 10's or 100's of millions.
It would be easy to trim the emails down to those just not going only to Wiener, but even that may not be a valid way to filter because Huma could have asked him to print something. The rest of the filtering is magic that these supposed experts are making up. Anything unique about any of these messages will screw up a hash and, frankly, it's quite unlikely that they have stored all of the emails in a way that makes the data comparison trivial. The belief is that there is leaked classified material, which means that the data needs to be done in isolation from most common tools. Classified material does not get stored with unclassified material and differently classified material gets isolated. Unless of course the FBI is itself suffering a data spill.
This means that they needed to actively and magically remove irrelevant parts. However, the forwarded message itself may contain a data spill (there were numerous emails where the subject is a a data spill), so you cannot arbitrarily ignore those.
And yet furthermore, if there was even one classified document or message here, it is a much greater crime because it means that the spill had spread from the private email server (and it inherently already had, by way of traditional SMTP). And given the WikiLeaks showing that Hillary had her maid printing out classified documents, it's a pretty safe bet that Huma was emailing herself things that would not have been possible without putting it on a private email server on the public internet.
It took the FBI months to go over 30K emails. It took them 9 days to concretely determine that they will not prosecute for a further exaggeration of a crime that has been committed (read FBI Director Comey's public statement from July where he literally lists all of the crimes, then notes that there was no intent and that no one will prosecute; further realize that intent has nothing to do with anything except sentencing when dealing with classified document leaks based on existing laws).
We learned one and only one thing: FBI Director Comey is out of a job no matter who wins the election. We continue to observe that Hillary is above the law.
No, that despite your ridiculous false equivalencies (hint: Clinton isn't even in the same universe as Trump and his alt-right revisionists) and a concerted misinformation campaign, and despite electoral interference from our secret police, I mean FBI, Hillary Clinton was still elected.
Assuming that is the outcome, which, while the alternative is unthinkable, is far from a foregone conclusion.
A celeb said something related to the US presidential election? Put it up stat!
.. they just said nothing that would change anything.
basically boils down to Hillary is above the law and we're not going to pursue it.
Yet people still claim 'innocent' - only because they are stupid AF.
Because it took that long to go through 33,000 emails.
They didn't have to go through 650,000 this time. They could just analyze the data to see if any were new from the prior set.
Which is exactly what you know, the original fucking article you decided not to read says.
That you elected a lying bitch instead of a lying asshole?
As one Republican consultant said in a Politico article, "Given a choice between crooked and crazy, the American people will always vote for crooked."
What I would like to hear from Comey is a scenario where he believes she would be indicted. We already know the following won't...
Receiving classified info on a non-secured server
Taking classified information after no longer working and signing off that you returned it all
Having classified information on a non-secured server that was, according to the FBI, likely hacked by 5 foreign governments
Forwarding classified information to her daughter who never has had clearance
Deleting classified information after it was subpoenaed by Congress
All of the above happened, and don't reach the level of criminal negligence, which is fine. Can we define what would other than directly sending it to Putin, or is that the only way it would?
and we will pity sheeple like yourself for thinking it's ok to have a corrupt felon running your country.
A felon is a person convicted of a felony
Thus, OBJECTION YOUR HONOR!! Reference to facts not in evidence anywhere!
...your fun at party's.
My point is that even though she has been found unofficially not-guilty by the lack of recommendation to indict I still don't trust her.
To further my point: Even though Casey Anthony wasn't found guilty of killing her kids, would you still trust her to babysit your children? Because I wouldn't.
I'm going to enjoy watching you continue to bitch and moan over the next four years as business as usual continues unabated.
But Snowden is a Russian spy! Why would he say things that badly reflect on Trump?
Help me, CNN!
But which one is which?
From my viewpoint, Trump n Clinton are the same. Crazy AND Crooked.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
That still doesn't explain why the FBI boasted that they had 400+ agents working for many months for 33,000 emails and yet magically can go through 650k in just a few days. Either they were lying before, or they are lying now.
There's a third explanation. You don't understand how computers and basic problem solving works.
The 400+ agent review involved someone personally reading and evaluating every email.
The 650k email review involved extracting the small subset of email to/from Clinton, extracting the even smaller subset of emails not in their previous already-reviewed sample, and then reviewing those.
That may have been as simple as going through a few hundred personal emails that weren't part of the initial dump.
I stole this Sig
And time to start trotting out the logical fallacies.
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The FBI already said that Hillary mismanaged the handling of confidential documents via her illegal private server.
We already KNOW this to be fact. The FBI admitted such.
The fact is that none of it matters. The power that be decided they would not prosecute because of lack of "intent". Destroying evidence apparently is not "intent".
Hillary has been bought by Wall Street and numerous foreign entities via her foundation. Anyone that has the means to buy political influence has bought their piece of Hillary.
Hillary's supporters simply do not care about any of this. They aren't electing Hillary - they are electing an ideology. More global interventionist policies, larger and more intrusive government, and a supreme court that will rubber stamp all of it.
This is what Hillary's supporters are electing. The candidate and the associated crimes committed by that candidate are irrelevant.
Anyone that has ever used a database knows how easy this is. Sadly team Trump is all about spouting words from the mouth at random, and learning how things are done after the fact.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
I'll respond to any intelligent response
Then ask an intelligent question.
I will be here Wednesday to laugh in your millennial face. TRUMP 2016
That you elected a lying bitch instead of a lying asshole?
That you elected someone who has no real accomplishments because the other guy has no real accomplishments?
Well. Some accomplishments. Electing someone smart enough to (apparently) get away with killing bunches of people and lots of other illegal stuff over 30 years vs. someone who managed to somehow bankrupt a casino -- even after getting loans from his father and not paying people for all the work they did. Someone smart vs. someone stupid. Someone inclusive vs. someone divisive. Hmm... :-)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Go Snowden, thanks for facts. Leave the Pussy grabbing for Trump and Assange
I'm sure it's been rephrased many times in many ways, but the way I know it is "should" rather than "will." People should favor crooked over crazy, but that doesn't always happen.
Everybody seems to have forgotten that HRC answered the original subpoena with _hardcopies_. Even if you scanned and OCRed them, their hashes will not match due to inevitable missing metadata and formatting differences, OCR typos, etc.
Anybody want a peanut?
Better late than dead.
Yep, I never spell check.
More incorrect spellings can be found he
They didn't think he'd do anything to the 1%ers. Any talk of that was just a smokescreen.
Trump's campaign was about racism first and foremost. He made subtext into text. Look how evangelicals just fucking love the guy, despite him being the literal opposite of the only evangelical president we've ever elected - a man who builds houses for the poor with his own bare hands instead of putting his name on ostentatious housing for the rich). And that's because the religious right was not about a "moral majority" or even abortion, it was founded on racism (the last time the national conversation included the phrase "religious freedom" was when we were talking about Bob Jones university and was the catalyst for the rise of the religious right). Hell, the southern baptist convention (single largest organization of evangelical churches with millions of members) was created so slave-owners could still be part of a baptist convention. It was only 20 years ago that the SBC officially denounced slavery and segregation. Yeah, only 20 years ago, WTF! right?
And when you are racist, nothing else really matters. For decades the republican party has been telling these people "you may be poor, but at least you are still white." But now with a black president and the general population on the verge of no longer being a white super-majority just being white isn't enough of a consolation any more.
So all the nonsense that Trump''s said during the campaign. It simply did not matter if it was realistic, or even true because it was just a distraction. He was selling a reinvigoration of white supremacy and as long as he kept up that message, they were happy with him.
How would a Republican president, even Trump, be different in curtailing "More global interventionist policies, larger and more intrusive government, and a supreme court that will rubber stamp all of it."
What has Bush Jr. (the last Rep. prez) , or the republican congress done in the last, say 16 years, done to stop or slow any of these things?
The "prior set" were submitted on paper.
But the thing to remember is that Trump doesn't give a damn about the other 1%ers, only himself
Analysis of a mass of written work for duplicateness is a dumb little initialization task compared to that of analysis for content.
We need to get off of this "false equivalence" BS. To quote Seth Meyers:
“I mean, do you pick someone who’s under federal investigation for using a private email server, or do you pick someone who called Mexicans ‘rapists,’ claimed the president was born in Kenya, proposed banning an entire religion from entering the U.S., mocked a disabled reporter, said John McCain wasn’t a war hero because he was captured, attacked the parents of a fallen soldier, bragged about committing sexual assault, was accused by 12 women of committing sexual assault, said some of those women weren’t attractive enough for him to sexually assault, said more countries should get nukes, said he would force the military to commit war crimes, said a judge was ‘biased’ because his parents were Mexicans, said women should be ‘punished’ for having abortions, incited violence at his rallies, called global warming ‘a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese,’ called for his opponent to be jailed, declared bankruptcy six times, bragged about not paying income taxes, stiffed his contractors and employees, lost a billion dollars in one year, scammed customers at his fake university, bought a six-foot-tall painting of himself with money from his fake foundation, has a trial for fraud coming up in November, insulted an opponent’s looks, insulted an opponent’s wife’s looks, and bragged about grabbing women ‘by the pussy.’”
Better than a Penis, imo.
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
we need a 3rd party candidate or a 269 269 tie!
Sir, have you bumped your head recently? If so, you may want to seek medical attention, because you seem to be in a fugue state.
Let's review the actual facts:
1) HRC has massive support from democrats and liberals of every stripe; In the polling, she's polling high 40%'s and low 50%'s in terms of people who will vote for her. So unless the "1%'ers" is really code for "the 49%'ers", claiming that she's only backed by "1%" money interests is about as demonstrably false as it gets.
2) Donald Trump has capitalized on demagoguery to appeal to the uneducated, unemployed white male voters who his business history and policies will actively worsen the lives of - he is convincing them to vote *against* their own self interest.
Given that, complaining that 100% of either of their support is the "1%'er" demographic is fucking stupid. Please get a CAT scan and have them look for subdural hematoma, stat.
Comey announced they filtered out all emails that were not sent to or from Hillary, which would indeed narrow down the set. But this method may suffer other problems.
Assuming that intent is relevant to the crime for argument's sake, if you are only looking for a smoking gun of Hillary's intent ("hey could you set up a private email server so that I can avoid those pesky Congressional investigations and FOIA requests"), then such a filter is adequate.
If you think maybe Hillary asked her assistant to do such thing, but was not stupid enough to put it in email herself (what are assistants for, if not plausible deniability?), then clues may be found in emails that were filtered out (ie. not "combed through").
This is but one example where the filter may be efficient (fast) but inadequate.
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You misspelled robot.
You can't "kill" a conspiracy theory. Impossible. Never happen.
Conspiracy theories are unkillable: entirely immune to evidence, rational explanation, solid data, and common sense.
If you don't believe me, keep listening to Trump and his supporters. See if this conspiracy theory dies. None of the past ones have. Climate change is still a Chinese hoax. (There was one utterly unexpected exception: Obama's birthplace did suddenly move from Kenya to Hawaii).
Interestingly, the "thought leaders" of conspiracy theories are very often not actually true believers themselves. They are most often just manipulators with a good understanding of the suggestibility of the morons they recruit to their cause. I bet Trump doesn't really believe most of his conspiracy theories himself. They are just convenient tools of manipulation and control.
Snowden is lying. My son is seven. So good at cyber. Cyber so good. China beating cyber. Hashtag winning. Hashtag crooked Hilary. Cyber.
But which one is which?
From my viewpoint, Trump n Clinton are the same. Crazy AND Crooked.
No kiddin'.
Up until the early 80s, I believe it was still POSSIBLE to have a relatively straight-headed, balanced, and "for the country" person in office. Today, money drives everything. EVERY-THING. It's impossible. I look at it as you vote for the "reality TV guy" and get screwed, or for the "first female in office" and get screwed. No pun intended.
well if you're fucked either way... I would prefer it to be with a vagina.
Another possibliity: The software was written in those many months. Now they just have to run the new data through it.
Just remember, law does not apply to high ranking government as it does for us normal people. If it was a regular person, they would be in prison for quite a while. That is the point.
Yes, it does explain it. It does it perfectly. It does so because it explains how they are two entirely different tasks. One was having to actually read emails one by one to see what they say. That is a very slow process. The other is simply comparing emails ro ones you've already read and determining that they are identical. That can be trivially automated, and is very, very fast.
The latter, while doing a lot of things that are either distasteful or something that a lot of people may disagree w/, is neither unethical nor illegal: it's just that most people would disagree w/ his judgement. The former did something that is clearly illegal, and among other things, downright corrupt (trading State Department favors for Clinton Foundation donations, Clinton Foundation - a tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization - footing the bill for her daughter's wedding and 10 years of their lives), as well as putting national secrets at risk by maintaining a private server. If WikiLeaks could break into DNC emails and that of Clinton aides, how difficult would it have been for more professional organizations (read enemy states) to actually hack Clinton's private server(s)? And a lot of people have gone to jail for much less - Gen Petraeus, Adm Cartwright and the guy who got a year in jail for taking 6 photos in a classified area of a submarine.
While I happen to agree w/ Trump even during the GOP primary level, even if I didn't, given these choices of corrupt vs shooting off the mouth, I'd pick the latter any day!
Why? Why would a wanton disregard for the law be preferable to someone who respects the law, but wants to change it - for better or worse? At least w/ the latter, there is a process, as well as checks and balances. A lot of things on Trump's agenda will have to be negotiated if he comes to power w/ not just Democrats, but Republicans as well
The "prior set" were submitted on paper.
If only we had this machine that could take paper and...let's see, what's the word I'm looking for... ah, yes, scan that paper and convert it to a format that can be easily stored on a computer and even converted into searchable data. Now of course they would also need to make this scanning machine small and cheap enough that multiple people could have their own machine, making the process a lot quicker than a single person sitting there scanning each hard copy. Someone really should invent this, it would make life a lot easier.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
As a rebuttal to the specific example, yes. As a rebuttal to the emotion and gut feeling, not so much...
I'm with the GP post... I simply don't trust her. Trump will be held in check by a congress that will refuse to pass whatever hair brained idea he proposes, Clinton will go "House of Cards" and make it happen. They *both* terrify me.
No I won't move if $foo gets elected, nor will I go buy a ton of ammo and guns if $bar gets elected. I am preparing to weather the coming storm as best I can for myself, my kids, and my closest friend and her kid.
I voted for the less adept but MostlyHarmless(tm) Johnson FWIW.
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While I can unabashedly attest to Trump being a whiny bitch, I cannot say the same about his being a woman.
"Founding Fathers built the system to deal with even the most terrible Presidents"
No they didn't they just stated it won't be a republic because you couldn't keep it when the voters are stupid enough to elect someone like Trump/
... none of the deleted emails was there.
Hillary is only winning those who make less than 35K a year.
She's not winning college educated voters. She's winning diploma holding voters who can't support themselves. If you have a degree and not a good job then access to higher education was not your problem.
People who support themselves are for the most part supporting Trump.
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You have to wonder which explanation they are most/least like to provide. That they are crap geeks or intellectually dishonest.
In Trump's defense, Atlantic City is failing as a whole and dumping his casino was the best thing he could have done. AC is a disgusting shit hole that can't compete with the infinitely nicer casino resorts right over the boarder in PA; it's dead as a resort town and anyone still trying to pump money into it is a fool.
Snowden is a government spy.
I have worked in I.T. for 30 years and I specialize in Computer Forensics. I investigate email cases like this all the time and in the last 10 years I have been involved in well over 1000 cases.
There is NO WAY the FBI is going to be able to extract and examine 650,000 emails in a week.
First it all has to be extracted into a readable format, including any email attachments, and that usually involves a powerful computer crunching the number 24/7 and for that many, I expect it to run for two or three weeks just waiting on the computer to do it's part.
Next comes the examination, and that potentially could be a case of 650 agents each given 1000 emails to go through which would take a few days, ONCE they all got it.
Over all, there is no way it was done, and examined and a press release prepared. It's all a lie to help Clinton steal the election.
Sounds like sexism to me.
Gay guy hitting on you and you aren't interested because you prefer women, or a gay gal hitting on you and you aren't interested because you prefer men, homophobe!
Don't want to date a trans person who has or used to have the same genitalia as you? Now you are trans-phobic as well!
My point is that even though she has been found unofficially not-guilty by the lack of recommendation to indict I still don't trust her.
To further my point: Even though Casey Anthony wasn't found guilty of killing her kids, would you still trust her to babysit your children? Because I wouldn't.
You did know that the false equivalency gambit has been thoroughly debunked. Right? All the bad things that Clinton might have done is not, in any way, shape or form, the same has all the bad things that Trump has done, in public or on "tape". His record in this area is so deplorable that those Republican leaders who still "support" him won't even say his name. That is pathetic enough, but we haven't even started to compare actual qualifications, and we hardly need to. One candidate has thirty years of public service with any enviable record of success, experience that, by virtually all credible accounts, makes her the most qualified candidate ever to seek the office. The other has a string of spectacular business failures and lawsuits against him and his companies.
> The point is that Trump's supporters have no solid evidence that there was not enough time to review the emails.
That's just silly. People are still finding new things in the Podesta emails. Our evidence comes from having experience DOING the same task on another set of email. By that, we know that lot of things were hidden in attachments on emails with silly subject lines like "Congratulations." Tell me, why would someone reply to a weeks-old email saying "Congratulations" about something to send an attachment with incriminating stuff and not, say, send a new email or respond to another thread that was recent & relevant? There are also various code names to worry about (Diane Reynolds = Chelsea Clinton, Evergreen = Hillary Clinton, etc.) that will confuse naive grepping.
Saying that a computer could hash and search 650k emails in a few minutes is just silly. We can already do that with the Podesta dumps via search engines, but we find new things and make new connections every day. It's not a very easy task to parallelize, either. People are only making connections about the Clinton Foundation selling influence by connecting the dots across many emails.
So sure, they can "review" 650k emails in 8 days, but how you can have 650k dupes from 33k emails is not well-explained and anyone who has actually read /r/wikileaks would know that most of the good stuff is deliberately hidden in binary attachments under ridiculous subject lines that won't be found by mere grepping. We know because it took us weeks to catch onto the methods.
But yeah, sure, feel free to assume they've done a thorough review of 650k emails by running a handful of greps, secure in the knowledge that computers can search quickly and that makes it all easy, because that's what you wanted to hear.
Nowhere have I read anyone interviewing, talking to, etc, people who do exactly this kind of thing all day - attorneys. This process is literally what electronic discovery IS.
As an attorney who works on these types of issues, 650k emails is a trivially small corpus. Even if they were all responsive, and no duplicates, I would expect a decently-sized team to take about ten days to go through that number of emails. Of course, realistically, in most cases you are going to filter that down by 90% or more before a human being looks over a single email... depending on the process and work hours, a single person can easily look at 1k emails a day, and that's when you're doing legal analysis on them... if all you're doing is figuring out "Bullshit/not bullshit" and kicking it upstairs for further analysis 2k emails is not unreasonable for a 12 hour shift. Although it wouldn't be fun to be doing...
But still, at 100 emails/hour that's 6500 man hours of work if you want a human being to comb through every single email, or a hundred people working one 65-hour workweek, which even gives Comey the luxury of a full day to set up the process.
So when you read some idiot saying that it's not possible to have looked through that many emails... yes, yes it certainly is. A big document review team will comb through a million documents a week or more, and that includes doing legal analysis on them as well.
Wait. Who did she kill?
The question isn't how they can comb through 650,000 emails in nine days. The question is why they could do so this time, but it took a year to go through 33,000 emails last time. And the time is very, very convenient. The announcement that they had them came as an October surprise, and even made Comey look less like Clinton's loyal little bitch. But then, just in time before the election, a further announcement of "move along, nothing to see here."
Comey may be a Republican appointee, but the GOP leadership hates Trump as much as they hate Clinton. Neither will accomplish anything in the White House, but with Clinton in office, the Republicans will look a lot less stupid blowing off the White House at every opportunity. Or maybe they all just have a boner over impeaching her ass, and they can't do that if she's not elected.
Yeah, it's not like we have any experience from looking through the Podesta dumps.
I'm perfectly capable of writing perl -ne '/incriminating evidence/i and print' but I also know just how silly that idea is.
Unlike those who let CNN think for them, I've actually gone through the Podesta dumps. I know about important attachments hidden under irrelevant subject lines. I know the different code names and the different email addresses used. And there are some indications they talk in code, as well.
The people on /r/wikileaks are still making connections months later. The idea that any real review has been done on 650k emails in 8 days is pretty silly based on the real data of thousands of people doing it on another set over a longer time. We have a search engine for the Podesta dump. Saying you did a few searches so you've done a full review is kind of silly.
Given the Slashdot audience, I find the skepticism that it's possible kind of surprising.
First, the FBI has some very sophisticated tools for discovery in place for just this sort of thing. I've used an earlier version of one of them (we were evaluating the vendor that provides some of these tools) and, more importantly, people that know how to use them.
Since the specific question to be answered here is about Hillary Clinton during her tenure as Secretary of State (review of e-mails related to Abedin and Wiener are a separate issue), they would go through this process: ingest the e-mails (including header metadata and the message bodies) into the indexing engine (it's only about 650K e-mails; say about 5-10 minutes - this stuff runs in an AWS cluster and is pretty quick), then they would load a list of all e-mail addresses associated with Hillary Clinton and search for all messages that contain that in a From, To, Cc, or Bcc header -- and possibly anything that passed through the clintonmail.org domain -- which is VERY fast (on the order of 20 seconds or so), then they load the Message-ids for all of the messages in the set of e-mails that they already have reviewed and exclude from the prior subset all of those that matched (because they've already been reviewed; maybe 1-2 minutes of processing time). The FBI then would have the subset of Clinton e-mails in Abedin's e-mail that they have not already reviewed, which is no doubt a pretty small number given that Clinton was neither a prolific writer nor recipient or e-mail in the first place.
I would be quite surprised if they found more than a handful of new messages for review, if any. But the procedure for finding those e-mails is very straight-forward to do and would take less than 30 minutes for their techs to do. I can't tell you how long it would take for the FBI to manually review each of those messages, but I suspect not too long.
In Trump's defense, Atlantic City is failing as a whole and dumping his casino was the best thing he could have done.
Sure. Although I'm not that covers it. From: A Look Inside Donald Trump’s Failed Taj Mahal Casino:
Though Trump Entertainment Resorts was losing million, Trump personally profited during his tenure, partially thanks to a deal that had his flailing casinos buying up Trump Ice bottled water. Trump walked away having pocketed roughly $82 million during his time there.
And: How Donald Trump Bankrupted His Atlantic City Casinos, but Still Earned Millions:
In one instance, The Times found, Mr. Trump pulled more than $1 million from his failing public company, describing the transaction in securities filings in ways that may have been illegal, according to legal experts.
The rest of the NYT article is pretty illuminating too.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Using Solr and Magento, it only takes me 45 minutes to run full text indexing against 50K enriched product records (color, weight, vendor, description, short description, title, nicknames, etc. - easily way more data than in a typical email for each product) And my box is not especially fast and does nothing in terms of clustering to improve performance. Now do that 13 times to arrive at approx 650k items, and it only takes approx 9 or 10 hours. Now you could run keyword searches against the entire lot to see if there is anything of interest. And that is BEFORE removing duplicates like Snowden suggested, or applying some Natural Language Processing algorithms, or any other relevant AI code... No conspiracy here, I think. Rather I think you see just who is truly out of touch with what modern tech can do.
In Trump's defense, Atlantic City is failing as a whole and dumping his casino was the best thing he could have done. AC is a disgusting shit hole that can't compete with the infinitely nicer casino resorts right over the boarder in PA; it's dead as a resort town and anyone still trying to pump money into it is a fool.
That's no defense, really. Trump's big selling point is supposed to be his business acumen. He should have used it to see that AC is a disgusting shit hole and not gotten involved there in the first place. Instead, he lost a billion dollars.
Trump is way worse than a lying asshole.
1. He is a facist - populist us vs them mentality (muslims), denounces anything said about him as lies & blames others, whips up the armed/racist minority.
2. He hates the constitution. Wants to change 1A, 4A, and sure as hell the 19A.
3. He's a racist - see twitter war with Jon Stewart, see endoresments by David Duke & KKK, see his talk in MN yesterday
4. He's a power abuser - see every business dealing ever, see how he grabs women by the pussy because he can get away with it
5. He wants to take us straight to war - see his comments on why we can't 'bomb the shit out of the Middle East'.
6. He's an exploiter - uses & abuses every religious, ethnic, regional divide he can
7. He hates America - he detests freedom of speech - in others, he hates freedom of religion - in others, he tries to get people to stop Americans from voting - 'help watch out for a rigged election'
He is as bad as any other dictator in the world today. He has single handedly torn America apart to stroke his own ego.
You can hate Hillary all you want, I won't disagree with you, hell I'll probably mostly agree with you. But she is the lesser of two evils, and it's not re-fucking-motely close.
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There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Lots of FUD here. Snowden's response only removes duplicates. If all 33k known emails were found & removed, the FBI would still have to sift 617k emails to look for secret/classified/confidential info.
The "prior set" were submitted on paper.
And you think they can't be converted into digital format (e.g. pdf, txt, etc) along the way but has to stay as paper?
If congress stays GOP (likely), guess who will be 'holding him in check'?
The same idiots that let him take control of their party, and have a psychopath running for president.
So, why would that happen AFTER he gets into office, when it didn't happen before?
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
AC was a shit hole when Trump started there. He didn't make it any better. Arguably, he made it worse by working with the mafia to build his casinos rather than building up the local economy to support the area.
WTF are you talking about 'right over the border in PA'? Atlantic City is the other side of New Jersey from PA.
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The crietria for deduping emails needs to be WAAAY more than just looking at the TO:, CC: BCC: fields. You also need to look at the subject and body. That said, I agreed it shouldn't take a computer that long especially if you hash them.
BUT Deduping is only the beginning. You'd still need to go through each for semantic content. i.e. this requires a human with awareness of the interpretation and context and probable security level of each email. Even assuming deduping reduced the number of emails to 1/10th, which seems very optimistic, it would still take months for the numbers of emails we are talking about.
Therefore, once again I call bullshit on Comey/the FBI.
Wait. Who did she kill?
Seriously? If you believe the Republicans and those fostering conspiracy theories: Vince Foster, Seth Rich, everyone in the Benghazi consulate, etc... Just Google: who did hillary clinton kill Of course, there's *no* proof of anything - and if she *did* do all that *and* got away with it, then she's a serious bad-ass and wouldn't we actually want her as President to go up against Putin, etc... :-)
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It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Ah yes, grandiose claims of "I've read all the emails..."
Doubtless you and all the other "I've read all the email" types will be quote mining them for years to come. Podesta's emails are the Birther conspiracy theorists for the post-2016 world.
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Wait, so Hillary Clinton -- the person literally in a pay-to-play scheme that was getting millions from the likes of Goldman Sachs to speak -- is going to really crack down on the corruption that she is benefiting from? (In fairness, I guess there's no direct email that says "State will do X after you pay us and then we meet", but it's pretty easy to connect the dots after the pattern repeats itself multiple times)
Or are we talking about the Hillary Clinton whose own charity claims to use over 90% of the money it gets for charitable work, but really only uses 5.7% according to their own tax documents. (And whose daughter was accused by insiders -- in the WikiLeaks -- of using foundation money to pay for her own wedding)
Or are we talking about the Hillary Clinton that is above the law because she isn't being prosecuted for the most grossly negligent leak of classified material ever seen (there are far more egregious and intentional leaks, but none caused by such gross negligence), all so she could avoid having a secondary email account?
Or are we talking about the same Hillary Clinton that used the exact same tax rules to write down a $700K loss on her own taxes? (We're talking a different order of magnitude, but when was the last time you made $700K in a year, let alone made that much that you could write it off as a loss? We're also talking a different type of tax loss, which she did not benefit from nearly as much.)
Writing down losses against your taxes is intentional so that people like Trump and Hillary take those kinds of risks. It's literally not a loophole because everyone can do it, even without any accountant helping you out. You should not be doubly punished for losing money by also being taxed on it. It's the reason that some rich people actually spend their own money, but it also goes against the old saying, "you don't get rich by spending your own money" for a reason. Yes, Trump certainly avoided paying taxes for years after his loss of nearly $1 billion (unlikely to be the 20 years as reported given that they assumed quite modest earnings from a CEO and the person at the top of an extremely popular ABC show for years), just as Hillary avoided certainly paying some taxes after her losses (though, what exactly was her job again? Oh, right, pay-for-play speeches to the likes of Middle Eastern national leaders that she didn't even report to the government as promised). Everyone makes a big joke calling Trump a "genius" on his side for doing it, but in fact it's one of the most basic components to doing your taxes: recording your taxable losses.
If you spent $1 billion and lost it, that means that that money went somewhere and it all presumably got taxed. I suppose everyone would have been much happier if Trump A) didn't spend the money at all or B) accepted the loss of a $1 billion and just forgot about it? The latter idea is laughable because no one would throw away $1 billion unless they didn't know how to do basic taxes -- and if a billionaire's accountant did not know how to do it, then they are not much an accountant. I find it amazing that people are interested in the taxes from the 90s, when casinos were not doing so well, versus obvious corruption.
Yeah, I'm sure she's down to fix the loopholes.
This is called rectification logic. There is no evidence my Team Leader did anything bad, and even if they did, that actually makes them good!
There might be evidence the Enemy Leader is bad. And even if the evidence is false, that means he is extra bad for getting away with it!
Heads I win. Tails you lose.
Pathetic that this is +5 on a site where people call themselves educated, informed, or intelligent.
Let's discuss another scandal: global warming.
There is no problem with greenhouse has emissions. Global warming is not occurring. Trees make CO2 emissions naturally neutral. No magic is needed.
If we'd stifle all the fools who make 'save a tree' arguments against paper usage, and plant more trees, the world would be better.
People should favor crooked over crazy, but that doesn't always happen.
That is the most backwards sentiment I've ever read. Who would ever favor a malicious result over an ambiguous one?
Blah blah blah. You know your candidate is fucked, and this is the best you can come up with, that she gave a speech to Goldman Sachs? What's next, insinuations that she's in bed with Usurious Jews?
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> Ah yes, grandiose claims of "I've read all the emails..."
That's kind of literally the opposite of what I'm claiming, though I've certainly read many of them, I don't believe anyone can read them all in a short time and make any sense out of it. That's not a realistic investigation by any means.
But yes, they do conspire a lot in the emails. The entire Democratic primary was a sham, as well. Might want to read them for yourself, unless maybe you prefer to let CNN do the thinking for you...
I think it might be interesting to see Trump get blocked by a Republican congress.
that the fix wasn't in.
Elementary logic tells you that Hillary was lying when she said she had the server for convenience. It also tells you she was trying to hide something.
Crooked you know what to expect, even if you don't like it.. Crazy... well, you just don't know.. and its not like you can "return" him after 15-30 days.. you are stuck with him for 4 years and the fall out from that forever.
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Simpler explanation is that someone explained how he'd die if he didn't shut up and let Hilary be coronated.
Executive powers still give a President a lot of ways of fucking things up even with an obstructionist Congress. And I'm not all that certain that the GOP would feel it in their political interests to block Trump. After all, a significant portion of their base think he's the Second Coming.
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The real explanation is there there weren't 400 agents working the emails. That was a lie and the FBI never said that.
And what can others do to you,if you've backed the wrong side ?
Yeah, AC has been a shit hole for as long as I can remember, but competition from PA casinos is fairly new.
And 'right across the border' means 'not far into PA'; no one cares how far PA is from AC. Plus, NJ is a tiny state and being on the other side means a whole 1 hour drive. But that's really beside the point - for anyone in northern NJ and NYC (aka the gross majority of people who would have gone to AC) the PA casinos are much closer and easier to get to. There's a reason PA casinos have been constantly building and growing while AC casinos fail.
You're missing the point - the GP implied Trump fucked up with the casino - he didn't, he made out well for himself, and dumping the casino was the best thing to do. That doesn't change all the shady dealings he has had in AC (and having done work for Trump Casino, I can assure you the whole thing was just a tax haven). If anything, the point is Hillary is no better at being corrupt than Trump. Or, at least, Trump Casio is a poor example of his failures - there are plenty others to choose from.
Oh, for anyone who can't/won't read the PDF I linked, I just transcribed it. Enjoy:
Oh, so you're saying that bankrupting casinos wasn't an accident (showing he can't make money in the most profitable business on Earth), but intentional (showing that he used it as a get-rich-quick scheme to defraud his investors and tradesmen). Very interesting.
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Let me inherit a few hundred million dollar real estate empire, and I'll show you some grand accomplishments, too.
Seriously. What has he done? Blow up casinos? Run a fake university? He made an image of rich and gets to sell his name. That's all.
The stupid thing is that the thing that got him famous in his supporters eyes is saying "you're fired", NOT hiring people or creating jobs. That's who they think will spur the economy, a guy that fires people. But none of them claim to the the brightest bulbs, now do they?
I answered this in another comment, but in short: "crooked" does not mean malicious, it means self-serving.
How much did CTR pay you for that? I guess you'll have fun with nuclear war with Russia when Hillary is in power, right? Everything you talked about here, we could easily point to Hillary as well. You're an idiot.
"Her too!" is not a good argument for the facts that Trump is unfit to be in politics much less President.
Either make a case that she's actually worse than the above points, or go cry in your outhouse.
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He still unnecessarily jeopardized so many good and valid US security programs. Any idiot knows that de-duping computer records can be done trivially. This was no miracle performed by the FBI. Frankly if they couldn't have done this in a few short days, then they would have been the idiots. Trump doesn't understand technology and doesn't care.
The conspiracy theory sounds great when you don't actually know anything about the subject.
I've worked on trial discovery software many years ago, and it's about what you'd think: Third party tools to gather metadata, database extraction of text using APIs where available, mouse-click simulation where nothing else is possible to automate the process.
Lawyers would literally set up entire rooms of computers to take a set of files from a cloned HD, and run the appropriate automation across the files, to generate images (TIFF images for court), text and metadata, and of course gathering error cases so they can be sifted though later.
Detecting dupes with such techniques would be very easy, and sorting through non-dupes for unique text also wouldn't take long.
> wouldn't we actually want her as President to go up against Putin, etc... :-)
Why do you guys want to fight with Russia over Syria? Why are we the ones arming ISIS there?
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Well he did pick staff that were willing to take the fall for him.
Don't we have a tradition of innocent until proven guilty in this country? If Hillary Clinton hasn't been convicted (or even, at this point, charged) with any crimes, how is it fair to say that she's "unofficially not-guilty." Isn't she - by definition - not guilty until she's been proven guilty in a court of law? I mention that last part because "that Facebook post I saw which linked to a blog post which totally showed why Hillary is guilty of personally killing everyone who crosses her" doesn't count as proof of her guilt.
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If Trump gets in and the GOP controls Congress, what's to stop the GOP from going full-on-alt-right? Let's assume that Trump wins by a large margin, he'll have a mandate and will pretty much get to shape the GOP any way he likes. The alt-right will be emboldened and will push for any dissenters in the Republican Party to either fall in line or lose their seats. We saw it recently with the Tea Party. Any GOP politician who didn't toe the Tea Party line was called a RINO and forced out in favor of more extreme candidates. In the "Trump wins by a landslide, GOP controls Congress" scenario, the GOP might not restrict Trump but egg him on in an effort to prove their loyalty to the alt-right movement in the Republican Party.
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A Trump supporter on a forum I manage replied to a comment i made about how Comey could handle all of those e-mails with a "meme image" saying that Comey only said there was nothing there because he found his suicide note in Hillary's e-mails. (Implying that somehow Hillary knew Comey would be looking through those e-mails and planted the note there, I guess.) It's totally ridiculous, but that one image would likely have a lot of people nodding their heads and believing that Comey said there wasn't anything to indict Hillary on because Hillary threatened his life.
It's the same logic that enables the moon landing hoax conspiracy keep the secret from everyone except for the few super-smart conspiracy theorists who see the truth. Hillary and Bill just take the place of the Uber-Conspiracy and they become super-stealthy assassins or mob bosses - depending on which conspiracy you subscribe to - keeping the truth hidden by having a knife to the throat of anyone who could otherwise take them down or even release evidence showing their guilt. Well, everyone except for the plucky conspiracy theorist who sees past the lies, does what big law enforcement can't do, and posts a scathing blog post about how Hillary killed Vince Foster with her bare hands.
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Even if all of those weren't true: He has a horrible temper. During the first debate, Hillary brought up Alicia Machado. It was an obvious trap. If this were a Roadrunner cartoon, it would be a road painted on a rock with a big neon sign saying "This is fake! It's a trap! Do NOT try to run into it!!!" And still, Trump ran into the wall at 3am in a series of tweets which, among other things, told people to check out her sex tape. (Which she doesn't have. IIRC, it was someone with a similar name but was obviously not her, but even if it was her wouldn't have refuted the charges she made against him.)
He can't let even the smallest slights go which is a horrible quality for a President. Presidents can be the targets of daily verbal abuse by everyone from US citizens to foreign dignitaries. If the President decides to launch a missile strike because some Prime Minister called him/her a bad name, it will have serious repercussions. How would Donald Trump handle being insulted by a foreign dignitary that he needs to enter into negotiations with? I don't see that ending well at all.
Hillary, on the other hand, has been the target of slings and arrows since her husband was first elected President. She knows how to take the verbal punch, ignore it, and keep doing what needs to be done.
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I as external observer do have some minor issues with this
1. They definitely could compare the sets and filter only new emails.. any of such would require review because I dont see how hashtag filtering could reliably detect email intent.Such info is not known ( how many new emails and so on )
2.Snowden have gone repeatedly pro gov because he is hoping to return to US ( known stated information ) and as such its best in his interest to support gov inc.
I actually thought that Occupy/1% had a good initial idea - the rich too often pay too little in taxes while the middle class gets the huge tax bill - but they were scattershot in how they protested this and tried to raise awareness. Their message got muddled and lost. It's not enough to identify an injustice that you want to rail against, you need to be organized in how you will protest this to get the maximum bang for the time/effort/money spent protesting.
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The most remarkable thing about this election, is the deployment of Clintonian Triangulation 2.0. They've been able to make every scandalous corrupt act they were a party to, or the masterminds of, thrown it at Trump, and got it to stick to better.
They can take money from every foreign despot on the globe, as they have for 20-30 years. Bill can sexually assault all the women he wants, we better look the other way. After all, he's charming am I right? Hillary's ambitions are more important than his victims. Its all good. But that Trump though, man.
Here's a nice little summary video:
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You do not, because you cannot, argue with this. You just post insults. Because that's all you can do. You will not, because you cannot, argue against any of the things found in the email. You just ignore them.
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Trump has already listed far more things that he's going to do on the first day in office than can be done in 24 hours. He sort of acts like the president has dictatorial powers, so if he gets elected he's in for a big surprise. Even the executive level departments aren't under direct control of the president; he can't eliminate a department by himself, he can't demand that the justice department arrest anyone, and if Obama couldn't have his own Blackberry then Trump certainly won't be able to be using Twitter at 3am.
If you steal the election and rub it in your fucking punk might snap and for some of you freedom stealing fucjs it could end badly. Try me. Fuck. Traitor. Tree of liberty time.
Some people think that 30 years of unsupported allegations should be enough to convict someone. Which is absurd, but we have too many people who believe any thing they read on the internet (and yes, I can spot the irony in posting this :-). 5 years of Whitewater investigations and nothing came of it. Doesn't mean they're innocent but so far there's no evidence that they're guilty. And the murder stuff, it's pure unadulterated conspiracy hogwash.
Not possible without some form of IT system that performs natural language search, cross referencing and analysis. Even then, it would still need to understand context and present possible leads. So, either the FBI is using an undisclosed Artificial General Intelligence, or they are lying.
Either way, given that the AGI is a lead in a major criminal conspiracy itself, it would point to a deeply corrupt organization.
Well, there was that one day Bill Clinton decided bomb an "al qaeda funded chemical weapons plant" in the Sudan. It was so urgent he divested himself of the usual safeguards, and advice from military advisors, in a rather uncharacteristic show of force. Time was of the essence. Can't even alert the government of Sudan, or explore any sort of diplomatic resolution. Even though the evidence that this was indeed a chemical weapons plant is so flimsy, it would make the case for WMD in Iraq look open and shut... doesn't matter. This was no time to back down. America, fuck yea!
Unfortunately, it wasn't so much a chemical weapons plant, as it was a pharmaceutical factory (the largest one in a country that desperately needed it, at that). So what was the rush? Why then? Why that day? Well, on the afternoon of Aug 20th, 1998, Ms. Monica Lewinsky was set to appear before a grand jury and recant her previously perjured testimony about her relationship with El Presidente. Psychopath war criminal Bill needed a distraction.
Behold the power of a complicit press, that basically no one actually knows or remembers this.
The media hasn't even talked about the big disagreements between Trump and the Republican congress. Sure, they will work together to repeal the ACA. There are still a sizable number of Republican neocons in Congress. It would be funny to see Trump and the Democrats fighting for peace with Russia.
I want to see Trump win, lose Nevada, and finally load up Yucca Mountain. The waste just has to sit there for a few hundred years for the strontium 90, and cesium 137 to rot away. Then it can be put somewhere more politically palatable.
Not only is this completely illogical, it is a desperate attempt to misrepresent what Snowden says. And if you think that 650,000 emails can be analyzed 60,000 couldn't be over a year and a half, and you're a bigger fucking idiot or a bigger fucking Fraud corrupt motherfucker
Hillary, on the other hand, has been the target of slings and arrows since her husband was first elected President. She knows how to take the verbal punch, ignore it, and keep doing what needs to be done.
This is absolutely untrue!
She's actually been a target since Bill was first elected governor of Arkansas in 1978...
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Ah the delicate alt right snowflakes
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Lost in a cloud of Department of Homeland Security issued tear gas, you mean.
Then you probably had high amounts of comfort and low amounts of empathy at the time. Might have a different opinion if it had been your home fraudulently foreclosed on by the banks or your investments decimated by fraud.
And, to borrow the Democrats warmed over pablum - he's still the Lesser Evil compared to Hillary. Trump is rich because he got money from Daddy. The Clintons are rich because they whored out workers and taxpayers to monied interests - much worse.
Whose head got bumped!
If she didn't have 99% of the MSM, 99% of the Hollywood elite, and an onslaught of multi-millionaire investors (foreign and domestic) backing her, plus the corrupt DNC [working against Bernie Sanders], and of course the number one credential "the woman card", she'd be a foot note in history, and Bernie would be the lead candidate on the Dem side. Democrats are not stupid, nor are Trump supporters. No one just tows the party line, or at least I would hope they wouldn't, otherwise, they are the truly stupid ones.
I'll give you that Trump is a ass, his rhetoric divisive, and use of demagoguery offensive; And I say "So what!", Remember what your parents told you when you were a kid; sticks and stones... I've worked for very successful, complete D-bags, but they got the job done, and in the end I respected them for that. Apparently, you live in a very polite little bubble, with pretty flowers, balloons, and smiley faces on every wall where no one ever says anything off the cuff, or offensive.
The good news for you, the same genius' that thought Obama, a black man whose only real qualifications was being black will likely lead to this years likely president; A woman whose only noteworthy qualification is being a woman.
Also good new for you, with that knowledge it'll be good to know that next go round you and the other highly educated brainiacs [because the opposition will be supported by the unemployed, uneducated white man] will probably be going to go for the gay or lesbian president, because of course we'll have to keep this voting for the "label" thing [black, woman, gay, etc...] going, and screw taking a chance on anyone that might be a chance for really making America great!
Do a little research, and find out what really has happened to America over the last 12 years. Yes, you can blame some of it on Bush, but Obama has moved America from the edge of a cliff into the abyss, and Hillary will insure we reach the bottom and implode.
Oh, but of course it is, if you plan on voting for her, or even pretending she's the lesser evil.
Pick a subject and she's worse than he is. "But but when did she say she wanted to grab a woman's pussy?" Well, no, she hasn't said that. She has said that Mubarak of Egypt was a close friend of the Clinton family - the same Mubarak that had prisoners tortured with rape. Specifically, by specially trained guard dogs.
That the state department, only a few days ago, told a court it will need 5 YEARS to review only about 30K of Hillary's emails.
So, when the Obama admin wants Hillary "cleared" it can do its own secret review and then publicly announce "nothing to see here!" but when a court wants to see less than 1/20th of the emails, the Obama admin says "that will take 5 years".
Note that the 5 years is an apparently arbitrary number (like the age 26 stay on yer parents insurance part of Obamacare) until you think BOTH numbers through ans see the manipulation:
With the emails: 5 years means: until after Hillary serves one term as president and gets through a re-election campaign.
With Obamacare, it meant his 18-year-old energetic supporters would get through both of his terms of office before Obamacare exploded in their faces and they had to face the full brunt of the bills.
You are being manipulated. Are you dumb enough to fall for it?
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Why not someone take the dump, run it through their program and post the time required?
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> Badda bing, easy work.
Not for Trumpites, who first gotta figger out wat tis 'mail thing is about.
You're assuming some intellectual powers, which is highly unfair towards those brain-challenged.
I could have sworn that last Friday Comey said the investigation of these newly discovered emails would take months.
Also, did they determine how they ended up on Weiner's laptop.
Occupy was a creation of Soros, Podesta & co.
Seriously, how can you make an informed decision if you don't even read the leaks for yourself?
And Hillary not an elite? She says TPP is the gold standard. The leaks confirm this is her real position. She will pass it.
You realise to any rational human being who isn't tangled up in the US elections such as myself, you sound like a raving paranoid crackpot who is in severe need of a psychiatrist right?
OMGS THEY TLAK IN CODE, SHE SAID SHE'S GOING TO DINNER WITH HIM TONIGHT, IT MUST MEAN SHE KILLED HIS MUM AND HATES AMERICA!!!!111111
15 years, *I* was flat broke (and tens of thousands of dollars in debt as well). Today I own homes in two countries. But of course there's no way I could have done any of that honestly... Moron.
In Trump's defense, Atlantic City is failing as a whole and dumping his casino was the best thing he could have done.
Or not invest in a such a poor location in the first place? Surely that would've been better?
As much as I've supported what Snowden has done, he's not entirely an authority in this case. Anyone can think of database selection parameters to reduce a dataset, but that is assuming the dataset doesn't have false flags. Suppose you drop everyone unknown from the to/from line as step 1. We already know the president used a pseudonym, so we're his emails dropped because it wasn't the public address? How many other pseudonyms were in there that are dropped with a simple selection? It isn't realistic to have someone read all of those so tools are required, but anyone with years of Gmail archives knows that unless things are filed right the first time, it can be hard to find something again.
Also, why on earth did she have a copy of all the emails on a personal computer shared with a spouse? That's a clear violation expicitly given in any agency's security briefing. Merely having that cache is a crime as the emails didn't just download themselves. Not Clinton's crime though so she can't be caught on this one.
Thanks for the correction. That's 38 years. I wonder how many people could hold up under the pressure of being a group's punching bag for that long. Even if you don't care about their opinion, the daily strain of new conspiracy theories, allegations, and outright cries of your guilt would wear on most folks.
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
It's an obvious attempt at disinformation.
Snowden answers a simple question that everyone semi-skilled in IT knows, how long deduplication takes.
This gets blown up to the retarded conclusion that 650k emails were duplicates. In the process trying to drag Snowdens and Wikileaks reputation through the mud.
This is quite obviously the state propaganda-machine ar work.
hillary the lesser of two evil WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahaahhaa and you use newyorkdaily news to back you up? LMAO what a joke! citing bought and paid for mainstream media outlets to back you up what a laughingstock.
Hillary is a corrupt criminal traitor and a war criminal.
I see you use a lot of 'projection ' in your arguments, the same done by hillary and the dnc, points 2, 3,4 ,5, 6, 7 is what SHE is guilty of, this a classic diversion tactic, mabe you should (or already are as a paid 1500$ agitator) work for the clinton campaign.
even point 1 points at hillary ,people that worked with her closely says she is a racist.
You should try Scott Adams' dehyponotization posting to try to correct your faulty reasoning on which candidate is crazy.
Sigh... When Trump's casino opened in 1984, Atlantic City was still popular. Problems didn't start until PA granted a number of casino licences in 2006 and the casinos opened a couple years later. These new casinos are not only nicer and in much nicer areas, but also actually a lot easier to get to for most people in NJ and NY - tourist traffic to AC quickly dried up causing the economic collapse of the once great ocean town. His was actually the fourth major casino to close since the birth of the PA gambling.
If you have some way of knowing what's going to happen 22 years in the future, I would sure like to know. Otherwise, I'm all for hating on Trump, but his casino closing is a poor example of his failings.
We doing clickbait at Slashdot now?
First... querying data is not the same thing as gathering forensic evidence. No one doubts that 650,000 emails can be queried.
Second... 80,000 Hillary emails subtracted from 650,000 still leaves 570,000 emails to go over... IF all 80,000 were duplicates.
Even the smartest systems have trouble searching for "context" in an email. Eventually a pair of eyes must be employed.
Just the forensic procedures, documentation of chain of custody and creating duplicate copies of the drives would have taken 4-5 days.
Re: Vince Foster
I was alive, awake, and aware when Vince Foster was killed. The newspapers at the time reported that the government had found that Vince Foster had committed suicide by shooting himself 5 times in the top of the head...
I do not believe any articles contain this bit of information anymore. How odd the world is. It is as if history is being constantly rewritten. As if an individual's memory no longer counts.
Of course, search for Neil Bush nowadays and there is almost no information (any more) linking him directly to stealing three trillion dollars from the American Public. Hell, you will be lucky to even find anyone alive anymore who even remembers the whole Savings and Loan thefts... Sadly, only one Arizona governor went to prison over that... and the American taxpayer is still paying off that three trillion dollars.
Good times. Good times indeed. Remind me why I should participate in this society again?
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
While I don't disagree with all of the bad things that you have to say about Trump, how could you possibly vote for Hillary? lesser of two evils? ROFLMAO.
Hillary represents all that is wrong with America today. Insider privileges, ignoring the rule of law, corruption of the American political system from the top down to the bottom, regulatory capture, backroom deals with supposed enemies, and I could go on and on.
Hillary will NOT take care of the citizens of this country. Her constituents are people with money, regardless of their nationality. If you vote for Hillary, you vote for the continuing tear down of America as a sovereign country.
Does this mean you should vote for Trump? Hell fucking no. Trump will gleefully go along with all of the internal spying, domestic police agency abuse, etc. He may even start world war 3.
Again, this is not a case of voting for the lesser of two evils. They are both greater evils. Vote your conscience. If that means throwing your vote away on a third party or not voting at all, you can at least sleep well knowing that you did not add to the evil by voting for one of the greater evils.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
When, exactly, did he become the main authority of all things computer and hacking? What he did was, indeed, a service to our country, but is he really the go-to person for any and all computer related questions?
Surely there are more authoritative sources out there to answer questions such as these.
by definition, one of the Elite
Trump is not an insider. He may be wealthy, he may be of a certain protected class, but he is not an insider. This is why people would be stupid enough to vote for him: Anything is better than the what we currently have.
They may very well find out after Wednesday that things can indeed get worse and that no, anything is not actually better than what we already have.
Since it is a foregone conclusion that either Hillary or Donald will be president, I think it is safe to say that we are all, inside and outside of America, utterly fucked.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
If you want to argue honestly, you have to admit the FBI's nuance on this point. I.e. that she didn't lie *to them*. Legally it matters.
While you're at it, it's still not too late to get Trump to keep his word and release his tax returns before polls close... Honesty, lol
Remind me why I should participate in this society again?
Can't speak to that in general, but more specifically:
(Just my $0.02)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
A felon is a person convicted of a felony
This is why people hate fucktards like you.
She committed felonies. MULTIPLE felonies.
And you EXCUSE that shit because she hasn't been prosecuted by a stooge that was hired by her cronies and pressured by her husband?
Well, fuck, look at that, you not only turn a blind eye to corruption, you're sucking its dick. Openly. You completely ignore "She broke the law" so you can embrace "but we suggest no charges". This is how tyranny happens. This is how despotism catches hold. You are enabling the very destruction of honest government. Fuck you. Of course you would vote Democrat.
If you have some way of knowing what's going to happen 22 years in the future, I would sure like to know. Otherwise, I'm all for hating on Trump, but his casino closing is a poor example of his failings.
There's not really enough time to go through an entire business degree here, but the simplified version is that the viability of any business is subject to possible competition. Trump failed to take this into account and that is his failure to bear. Millions of other business people succeed or fail based on similar circumstances, the successful ones take responsibility to navigate such obstacles, while Trump and his fanboys blame everyone else but themselves for their situation.
Trump has over 500 businesses, yet he still performs lower overall than an index fund The illusion is that he is successful, but the fact is he started high and has since trailed the average. Don't believe the hype.
I am no fan boy, I couldn't care less about Trump and his overall business success rate, but you clearly know nothing about AC. In 1984 no one would have ever imagined PA would allow gambling - at this time it was still dominated by a strong religious puritan ethic that barely allowed alcohol sales in the state, much less gambling. Due to the political and economic situation in NJ over the next 20 years, there was a mass exodus into PA, gradually liberalizing the state. A lot of people were burned by this and it's a big issue in NJ.
So, did your business degree give you the ability to see into the future, or just sound like a pretentious ass? If you want to go on about how much your turd sandwich is better than the other guy's, at least try not to sound like a clueless jerk off.
Incredible. I had no idea this happened. Sadly, it's not particularly surprising.
Hassan al-Turabi, the firebrand preacher and speaker of parliament at the time – now he is a fierce critic of the government – told the Monitor after the attack that "Islam is now entrenched" in Sudan.
"The [US] president wanted a target, and on his list Sudan was there," Mr. Turabi said in 1998. "This is a terrorist act against Sudan, a terrorist act."
The effort to neutralize Mr. bin Laden with missiles would instead "create 10,000 bin Ladens," Turabi predicted.
I simply cannot comprehend why people will defend these warmongers, these murderers, who are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people. Not only defend them, but elect them for the position of president.
Hillary's war was Libya. She championed that one. Approx 40,000 dead, the country in shambles, unstable, increased terrorism. People should be marching her into the Hague courts, not to the White House. Witnessing the stupidity of today's voters now completely explains to me why people wound up with murderous dictators throughout history. They're gullible, lazy, emotional, and simply don't care to look any deeper into the issues than what they're told by those who are propped up in front of them and labelled "experts".
And there's no proof Putin or Capone had anyone murdered either. How do you feel about that one?
Was Hitler ever found guilty of a crime in a court of law?
Seems Hillary keeps some good company in this aspect, no?
In 1984 no one would have ever imagined PA would allow gambling
Here's a tip that has worked for most of the world's successful people, even back in the 80's: Casinos are a risky business, so probably not a reliable investment choice.
So, did your business degree give you the ability to see into the future, or just sound like a pretentious ass?
I don't have a business degree, I just know enough to know that you can't blame all of your failures in business on other people.
If you want to go on about how much your turd sandwich is better than the other guy's, at least try not to sound like a clueless jerk off.
It's not about me, or you, it's about the illusion that Trump is good at business when really his record is below average.
It's all academic now anyway.. Fear, uncertainty and doubt won, the whole world is now a more uncertain place.
I am so going to enjoy rubbing it into Trump supporter's faces on Wednesday.
Yes? As you were saying?
Take that.
I knew she'd lose. The only question was how badly. I expected it to be a lot worse than it was.
Well we're reaping what was sown. They saw to it that the Republicans had the worst possible candidate to run against their rigged candidate. They didn't realize what a real turd... I mean crook she was. I imagine she'll have a nice little cell soon along with her husband and maybe Chelsea. I have a feeling Chelsea is also guilty of violating a bunch of those laws, but we'll see. After all, they put Republicans in jail for the most inconsequential crap. Shutting down a bridge recently. How about violating the espionage act, pay for play, and so much, much more. Don't need to throw the book at her, she already has done the book.
Now for the first time since 1928 the Republicans will run both houses and the Presidency. Maybe we can get something done now. Fix a whole bunch of stuff that's broken. So much was damaged in the past 8 years. The Obama clown couldn't even pass a budget in the 8 years he's been there. It's pathetic the last budget was from GW Bush! You know, the one with the bailout that we keep paying for every year. It's going somewhere, question is where. Obama and his buddies.
I'm posting from the future, and it turns out he was horribly wrong.
I'm posting from the future, and it turns out he was horribly wrong.
Did they abolished the electoral college in the future? Hillary has 1M+ votes in the popular vote so far.
http://time.com/4572295/hillary-clinton-popular-vote-lead/
I thought of that before my response; your quote is (emphasis mine):
Even if we took "always" to mean "vast majority of the time", it's still wrong. In fact, about 24.8% of eligible American voters choose crazy over crooked (and roughly 50% of eligible voters either had their vote suppressed in some manner, or just kept their lazy ass at home. I'm betting on the latter being more prevalent.)
I thought of that before my response; your quote is (emphasis mine):
My quote came from a Republican consultant.
Even if we took "always" to mean "vast majority of the time", it's still wrong. In fact, about 24.8% of eligible American voters choose crazy over crooked (and roughly 50% of eligible voters either had their vote suppressed in some manner, or just kept their lazy ass at home. I'm betting on the latter being more prevalent.)
That's why voting should be a national weekend holiday and made mandatory for all citizens. It's unfair that the future of the country is decided by so few citizens.
Yes, my apologies, I didn't mean to make it out as one you said (I should have written "the quote you referenced is").
I mostly agree. I would like to see all elections that include federal positions be open for a minimum of one week, Sunday-thru-Friday, with the last day being a national holiday where no government services except polling places are open, and all employers are required to give at least one day off during the week beyond that holiday (which could be normal weekend/breaks, but ideally a paid day off even beyond those.)
I hold an individual's self-governance in high regard*, so I think people should have the ability to refuse to vote (though I will chastise them for doing so). If we can implement that extended voting period+holiday, get rid of bad voter ID laws, and turnout is still abysmal, then I'm willing to consider mandatory voting. I could understand mandatory voting more from an anti-coercion standpoint (so people can't be forced to stay home if $NEFARIOUS_GROUP thinks they'll vote the "wrong" way) but would still like to see those other things solidified, first.
* to the extent that it does not negatively impact the lives of others and, no, I don't think not-voting falls into that category