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Donald Trump Wins US Presidency (nytimes.com)
It's official: Donald Trump has won the 2016 presidential election. Slashdot reader Xenographic writes: Google's map of results is now calling the race for Donald J. Trump. This is something that Nate Silver jokingly predicted back on May 10th when he wrote "Reminder: Cubs will win the World Series and, in exchange, President Trump will be elected 8 days later." The House and Senate are also under Republican control. In other news, the Canadian immigration site has crashed under heavy load.This is how The New York Times, America's top newspaper reported the news:The surprise outcome, defying late polls that showed Hillary Clinton with a modest but persistent edge, threatened convulsions throughout the country and the world, where skeptics had watched with alarm as Mr. Trump's unvarnished overtures to disillusioned voters took hold. The triumph for Mr. Trump, 70, a real estate developer-turned-reality television star with no government experience, was a powerful rejection of the establishment forces that had assembled against him, from the world of business to government, and the consensus they had forged on everything from trade to immigration. The results amounted to a repudiation, not only of Mrs. Clinton, but of President Obama, whose legacy is suddenly imperiled. And it was a decisive demonstration of power by a largely overlooked coalition of mostly blue-collar white and working-class voters who felt that the promise of the United States had slipped their grasp amid decades of globalization and multiculturalism. Update: The New Yorker's Editor-in-Chief David Remnick, described the Election outcome as "an American tragedy." The New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said, "Trump will bring global recession." BBC has an article on how the media worldwide has described Trump's victory. The Guardian captured the thoughts of world leaders on the matter. Hillary Clinton addressed the nation this morning and told her supporters that they all should keep an open mind and give Trump the chance to lead.
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Didn't see this coming but it looks like the republicans will control all branches. It will be interesting to see what they do with that power in the upcoming years.
Hay we survived bush Jr we can survive trump.
An old Chinese saying is may you live in interesting times....wait that was a curse wasn't it :/
Interesting times.
Dear DNC and superdelegates: Thanks so much for giving us the most unpopular Democratic nominee in living memory. What should have been a landslide win has become a complete fucking nightmare. Good job.
We're sorry.
Sincerely,
a shitload of americans. (just not a big enough shitload, apparently).
Please consolidate all the comments about how sexist/racist/xenophobic America is because they didn't coronate Hillary under this comment for organizational purposes. Please provide reasons for why a bunch of people who were "good" when they voted for Obama deserve to be shipped off to your concentration camps today for failing to do as they were told.
Also, you can post your real estate listings here since you ARE actually going to man up (ooh wait.. too cisgendered a term there) and move to Canada right?
Interesting microcosm of why Hillary ACTUALLY lost that can't be boiled down to a prejudiced throw-away "ism" hurled at groups of people you don't like: Tonight she flat out refused to go out and face her own supporters at her lavish "victory" party. Not even to thank them for their hard work. No class whatsoever where it actually counts.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
1. Barbra Streisand 2. Bryan Cranston 3. Miley Cyrus 4. Lena Dunham 5. Amy Schumer 6. Jon Stewart 7. Cher 8. Chelsea Handler 9. Samuel L. Jackson 10. Whoopi Goldberg 11. Neve Campbell 12. Keegan-Michael Key 13. George Lopez 14. Ne-Yo 15. Rev. Al Sharpton 16. Raven-Symoné
Don't let the door hit your rears on the way out you babies!
At the end of the day Trump is too incompetent to start a major war. Or do anything else too drastic. He is vain and intellectually lazy, so the lobbyists will keep him under control.
But the big thing he WILL do is roll back Obamacare. The thing that poor whites rely on if they get ill. He'll cut taxes to the rich and services to the poor like nobody else.
He'll make noises about Mexicans but do nothing. He will make noises about China but is unlikely to do anything.
But if you rely on government services too bad, so sad.
In a democracy the people get the government that they deserve.
I went to bed at 11:00 PM thinking too many states were too close to call until the morning. It's 1:52 AM right now. I just got woken up by my two-year-old yelling. He couldn't tell me what was wrong. I gave him some water and changed him, even though he wasn't wet, and I put him back to bed.
I thought, what the hell, I gotta know. I power on the computer, log in, and this is what I see.
Methinks young padawan senses a disturbance in the force.
Incidentally, for those looking for someone to blame here, look no further than the DNC:
Read the PDF attachment on this email for the source.
Four years we get to listen to his pedantic bullshit.
And in four years, we have to sit through another goddamn election season where he's a candidate.
I fully expect him to appoint every conservative wingnut he can find to positions of power.
We're going to try trickle down economics one more fucking time.
We're going to boot 20 million people off of their health care, and institute health savings plans instead (great if you live well enough above your means that you can afford to set money aside).
We're going to ignore the Paris Climate Accords. The EPA will be left in tatters.
We're going to waste half a trillion dollars building a fucking wall, to address an immigration problem that is nowhere near our top concern.
We're going to defund the Department of Education.
And on and on and fucking on.
And I fully expect the Trump administration to be rife with scandals. There's a reason he didn't want to get into financial disclosures. He will use the office to further his investments.
President Trump, the greatest shitshow on earth!
For anyone who doubts the parent post, read the PDF attached to this email and look at the list of names of "Pied Piper Candidates" the DNC hoped to face.
Maybe they should dump the superdelegates and let the people choose their own candidate next time?
Britain slips down to number 2 in the stupidest country rankings.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Since term limits began we've been in a cycle of 8 years one party, 8 years the other. Bush (the first) was the only exception, because Reagan was ridiculously popular and Dukakis wasn't.
More accurately, Republicans have a base of ~40% that turns out no matter what; Democrats don't, which is why all the true landslides of the past 50 years have gone to Republicans. The party cycle is pretty much all because of Democrats; after two elections they become complacent and idealistic and stop turning out, then it takes a couple terms of Republicans to build up the fire in their belly again. It would be funny, except for how many people suffer in the meantime.
And if you were one of those idealists who would only vote for Bernie, remember that idealism is an extremism as dangerous as any other, because it ends in letting the world burn because you won't settle for second best.
Anyway, all hail Grand Nagus Trump and see you in 2018.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Blah blah blah. Clinton -- with all the same information that your favorite pal George W. Bush had -- voted for the Iraq war. The fact that she later decided that war was bad when it was politically convenient to do so and was never questioned once by the toadies in the press about here hypocrisy doesn't change the facts.
As secretary of state she personally instigated the disastrous destabilization of multiple secular governments in the middle east to appease the jihadi Muslim Brotherhood.
There was one proven war monger on that stage, and it wasn't Turmp.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
You assume they've been maintained enough, and properly at that, in order to maintain aim/trajectory/flight capability/distance capability.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Well, at least we (the UK) are no longer the biggest clowns in the west.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
The demographics keep moving towards the Democrats. There have never been more offended Latinos, women and immigrants from the Middle East. Heck, even the Mormons were having misgivings.
I don't know where the extra Republican votes came from.
This is Slashdot -- anyone here think that hacking voting machines is a strange thought with Russia's help?
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"Coward" is an Islamic surname? Who knew?!
But seriously. If I enter any other non-Western country with a Christian surname and am treated as a second class citizen, it is expected. I am the guest, I am expected to abide by the rules, the customs, the laws, the norms. I cannot own land in Japan, If I am a woman I cannot vote in Saudi Arabia. Yet everyone expects that the West change their ways to accommodate them when they enter. And when there is pushback against this expectation, the response is accusations of racism and xenophobia.
If the West is so great that everyone wants to enter, why does everyone want to change it so radically?
1) Markets are tanking.
2) News about how to immigrate to Canada floated from #5 to #3 on the Google "Top News" list.
At this rate, I'm glad I woke up. I'll go get my passport, pack my bags, get in line early to withdraw all my savings from the bank, and drive north.
Every country has some weird traditions. USA's is electing a clown as president.
I am sure it will not be as bad as most people think. After all president is constrained by the budget set by congress. Neither can a president declare war without their approval. I am sure that if he really starts to act out then impeachment is on the table.
Still, you have to wonder about the voter disillusionment to get such a result.
well... if you are a US citizen, then you are a citizen with no second class caveat.
Since you would be visiting, you aren't a citizen at all, so no caveat needed.
There is nothing inherently wrong about being picky about who you let immigrate (or visit).
The West is "so great" primarily because we DON'T do those things. The minute we start is the minute we AREN'T "so great". How does that concept escape you?
I don't blame Trump for this. I don't even blame the people really. I blame the DNC.
We've survived 8 years of Bush. We can do this. At the very least it should be an entertaining 4 years or however long it takes him to get impeached for war crimes.
Pick a swing state and colonize it if you actually care about your country.
If you look at the state maps, wherever population is densest, people tend to vote left. The reason is simple: people who live in close quarters have learned that it's important to get along.
All those folks out in the sparse spaces haven't figured out that rugged individualism is basically childishness. We look out from the cities and see drooling yokels - they look at us and see preening fops making useless rules.
World's getting smaller though. Eventually the children will have to grow up. We have to take care of each other and share limited resources.
The only small consolation is that Clinton is forecast to win a scant victory in the popular vote once all ballots are counted: http://www.nytimes.com/electio... as of slightly after midnight election day she is forecast about 1.3% lead. Unfortunately it's not the popular vote that matters.
the 1% are fine with Trump. Lots of tax cuts, regulation cuts, Union busting, etc. That leaves the loons, and the left just aren't up to assassinations. We've shied away from violence this entire campaign. Trumps fine. The rest of us? Not so much.
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they're large, have a lot of money, and if they stay home we lose the election anyway. That's why we let her run. We also underestimated how unpersonable she would be and how effective the character assassination campaign against her was.
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From the Washington Post:
I’m no fan of Peter Thiel, the billionaire who put Gawker out of business by bankrolling a lawsuit by Hulk Hogan, the professional wrestler. In fact, I find him appalling.
But when he spoke recently at the National Press Club, he said something that struck me as quite perceptive about Donald Trump.
“The media is always taking Trump literally. It never takes him seriously, but it always takes him literally,” Thiel said. Journalists wanted to know exactly how he would deport that many undocumented immigrants, or exactly how Trump would rid the world of ISIS. We wanted details.
But a lot of voters think the opposite way: They take Trump seriously but not literally.
They realize, Thiel said, that Trump doesn’t really plan to build a wall. “What they hear is, ‘We’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.’ ”
Trump, quite apparently, captured the anger that Americans were feeling about issues such as trade and immigration.
Also, as someone who is not a Trump supporter, I thought at least that his acceptance speech was quite good.
LOL, the Brexit result practically foreshadowed the US election. The media reliance on increasingly inaccurate polls meant they couldn't see it coming. You're a fool if you couldn't see the exact same Silent Majority just waiting in the wings in America after Brexit. Sure, the Limeys may talk funny and spell words the wrong way, but really they're all still Americans at heart.
for ignoring the Middle Class. They focused on the very rich and the very poor. Those two groups got taken care of. The rich got tax breaks, cheap labor and cheap money (super low interest rates, etc) and the poor got the Medicare expansion, extended unemployment and a bit of stimulus. The middle class got fuck all.
Joe Biden talked about this (I wish he'd run, he'da crushed Trump). Sure, Trump isn't going to do anything either, but he said he would, which is more than I heard from Hilary...
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It is probable I was not paying attention back then in early 2000s, but when republicans had control of congress and whitehouse they did not start undoing all the "bad laws" enacted by the democrats.
At any rate, I hope trump is a better leader than campaigner.
Besides once trump is sworn in, the men in black will tell him the world is really run by aliens and trump will backpedal, just like all others who have served in that office.
Except the part where Pence is actually a pretty solid candidate. While Trump was floundering with his non-stop train of blunders, Pence was actually stating coherent talking points.
But even so, grassy knoll approach is flat out stupid. Trump is a businessman first and foremost. All stances are negotiable. He's probably easier to sway with a briefcase full of cash than anyone else. Clinton already collected her payola so any newcomer trying to buy policy would have had to outdo the pre-existing arrangements she has. To put it bluntly: you can pay Trump $20 to hold up a Dr. Pepper can during a speech. You'd have to pay Hillary first the $20 she is already getting from Coke, and then another $20 for her to hold up your beverage of choice.
LOL, the Brexit result practically foreshadowed the US election.
Indeed yes. The candidates prepared to tell the nastiest, most egregious lies won in both cases.
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The best summary I've seen was in a tweet (sorry, don't have the link):
BRITAIN: Brexit is the stupidest, most self-destructive act a country could undertake.
USA: Hold my beer.
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1. Obama had VASTLY more power - he had super majorities in both the House and Senate, which let him do ANYTHING he wanted in his 1st almost 2 years in office without a single Republican vote in congress and with the Republicans not even able to mount a fillibuster in the Senate (incidentally, while the Dems used that power for that nearly trillion dollar stimulus bill and the auto take-over and bank bailouts and Obamacare, they did NOT use it for amnesty or or fixing the inner cities or anything else that would then deprive them of future election arguments to their ethic voter groups). Trump has the congress only marginally - many in Republicans congress are RINOS and "never trumpers" - there WERE no "never Obamas" among the Democrats in congress.
2. I repeatedly warned liberals on this site that all that cheering they did as Obama did tons of crap "with a pen and his phone" was setting precedents that any future Republican president could use. No Trump has license to run just as rough-shod over every stinking liberal thing he chooses using those very same precedents they and Obama established. THAT was why "ends justify the means" ethics was always a bad idea. If Trump uses that power now to trash every damn thing you like, you have nobody but yourselves to blame. As a right-winger, I personally hope that conservatives in his circles will urge Trump to show more restraint in this regard and not be the dirtbag Obama has been. I do not want my president doing that crap whether he's a Republican OR a Democrat.
3. This may be the one chance in our lifetimes to see a non-government person go into Washington and upend all the corruption and bureaucracy. A business guy will be able to bring a real-world perspective to things government has been doing and look at lots of stuff and ask the unthinkable questions: "should government be doing THAT?" and "Is that the smartest and most-efficient way to do THAT?" and "Are you an actual expert, or were were you just the one who contributed the most money to some politician?"
I am very cautiously optimistic that DC and the media will be so far in shock that the inertia of big corrupt government, and NYC media, and talking-head experts and campaign consultants will all have to do a little introspection. The elites need to get out of their bubbles and visit and get to know the rest of America.
Big loser of the night: Goldman Sachs (followed by the rest of the Wall Street bankers and globalist multinational corps).
Not knowing him personally and only seeing him never being able to complete a fucking sentence I'd be even more gravely concerned that the hard work hasn't even started yet and all of the fun stuff like making up bullshit and retracting it for no good reason is over. Dump is the next president of the united states. NOW WHAT?!?!?!
1) Both the Bush and Clinton crime families are finished. They will never hold any power in either side of the Ruling Party again.
2) Trump is ego driven. He has no actual policy agenda.
3) Trey Gowdy might actually have enough integrity to prosecute criminals from both sides of the Ruling Party. Obama gave Bush's minions a walk as a professional courtesy.
4) This defeat is an opportunity for the Democrats to clean house, big time. (Not that I really expect them to do so, but still.)
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
And she lost, why are you dwelling on it.
Note to the young: Sperging about your lost candidate on the night of an election doesn't constitute "dwelling"... You need to wait a few days before using that word.
Regardless of how you voted for (Bernie Sanders for me because he seemed like a real person and not just a cosmetic masterpiece), Trumps speech felt genuine and was cool to give others credit instead of just saying "ME ME ME". Asshole or not, he seemed like an actual person and not just a robot with a perfectly strategic agenda. My stomach seriously started to cramp up when I thought Hillary was going to win and I'd have to hear her speak for the next 4 years trying to convince the world she cares. Does she even like movies? listen to music or have a soul? Seems like shes been in politics her whole life and it robbed her of a personality and character which are very important to me over a 'platform' The fact that he has no experience, no one thought he would win and still overcame to win has to go for something. Only time will tell but lets at least give him a year before calling for his impeachment because if he overcame all those odds, maybe he is more "qualified" than we give him credit for.
That serves you right for having been making fun of us on Berlusconi all those years!
If you promised to move to Canada if Trump won, please post contact information and an army of volunteers will reach out to you shortly to schedule a date to help you pack.
If you promised to move to Mexico to protest Trump's plan to halt illegal immigration, please... Just kidding, we know none of you are willing to live in Mexico.
See that "Preview" button?
To find out Canadian immigration website runs IIS.
Here's hoping checks and balances will save us... and I can't even be too sure of that because of the republican influence in the house and senate.
Vote for the damn issues, AND, whatever or whoever serves their ACTUALLY HAPPENING, however incrementally.
This means NO THIRD PARTY shit,
What if I think voting third party is the best way to accomplish the issues I care about?
NO PROTEST VOTES,
I agree with that, as my reply above said.
PARTICIPATING IN PRIMARIES,
Yes, but they aren't the be-all-end-all some think they are, as this year showed.
and VOTING FOR ONE OF THE TWO.
Sorry, now I have to tell you to fuck off. I vote for who I want, from whichever party, for my own reason. If that happens to be NOT one of the two main parties, so be it. It is my choice, my vote, not yours. So, again, kindly fuck off.
FUCK.
Not tonight, my wife is too depressed.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Enjoy the decline of American power folks.
I'd take Gazprom over PG&E any day.
PARTICIPATING IN PRIMARIES,
Yes, but they aren't the be-all-end-all some think they are, as this year showed.
I disagree, if the voters had done their jobs in the primaries, we wouldn't have had the choice of the two worst candidates not only in this election, but in my lifetime.
Jesus fucking Christ. I didn't want this (as my posting record will certainly show), but there is that smug desire to wag fingers and say I told you, isn't there?
The moment Brexit happened, I strongly suspected Trump was headed for the White House. Two completely unrelated things, you say? Not at all. The point is this: Project Fear has run its course. If you tell people "Oh No, if you don't vote for the status quo, warts and all, things will get so so bad!", they will be inclined to tell you to go fuck yourself up an ass with a cactus. And if the Brits were willing to do that, for fuck's sake, Americans surely were as well.
Should I say it? Does it need to be said? Bernie could have won, easily. Probably a dozen others could've done the same. I personally think Biden could've easily won because the man is not a phony. Elizabeth Warren might have easily won too; I'm not sure. For millennia, people haven been bitching thatpoliticians are phony and yet it's somehow impossible to elect someone who isn't phony. Guess what? It's not impossible. Now, in this case I'm pretty sure people settled on a rank phony-ness of a much different sort, a non-standard phonyness over the standard one, but...
But Jesus fucking Christ, all of this dumb shit about racism and sexism... all of these red herrings that NO ONE on the fence gave a crap about after the man gave you a mountain of potent ammunition to use against him. Scream and scream and scream hysterically at us if we don't agree he's "orange Hitler". No, no he's not Hitler or a racist, obviously fucking not. He's an airhead who barely pays attention to what he's even saying, a sycophant, a man who was a registered Democrat not that long ago, someone who was able to broach a few important topics that no one else was willing to broach, even if he make a complete mess if it every time he tried to talk sense. Just broaching the topic was enough.
Instead of a curse, I'll try to end with a blessing:
May the old guard of the Republicans finally disintegrate entirely, may the evangelicals slowly grow quiet and chasten with the realization that genitalia-centered regulation and shaming is no longer going to be a priority in this country, may the alt-right toss out its more vile elements and turn into something that's actually worth listening to now and then, and may the left in this country grow the fuck up and realize that merely being less anti-intellectual and more "moderate" (especially compared to the left in other Western democracies) is not enough.
This wasn't the way to do it; definitely wasn't the smart way to do it, and I risk spraining my neck from shaking my head but at the same time... alone in the kitchen, coming in for a quick snack but then finding myself pacing absentmindedly and staring at the ceiling... I have to admit cracking a smile or three. Moronic and foot-shooting as this whole thing has been, it does give me a little bit of hope. If reasonableness fails against cynicism, I guess stupidity and bombast can sometimes carry the day, for whatever Pyrrhic victory that's worth.
Now let's just hope we can all survive the next four years.
I really am.
To survive such a powerful stream of filth from massmedia, and to win in landslide.... He is the man, he rocks! True Mr. ImPerfect....
Also... sort of... shame on that arrogant MINORITY who treat MAJORITY of the country as deplorables, sexists, misogynists, racists, xenophobes.
he has a very real agenda and it was made clear early on that he'd be running the show behind the scenes, not Trump.
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Don't be daft and lie to yourself that Trump won because America is overwhelmingly populated by misogynists, homophobes, racists, and xenophobes.
He won because he spoke up on behalf of the workers who lost their jobs to outsourcing, due to free trade deals and H1-B1 programs and illegal immigration that favor big business at the expense of the middle class. Clinton pretty much openly pledged her allegiance to Wall Street, so those desperate for work already made up their minds.
That's definitely the biggest issue. There's also the fact that the Democrats are still supporting Planned Parenthood even though they've been caught multiple times illegally selling baby carcases to maximize their profits and not reporting ongoing sexual abuse, and the fact that Clinton's the war hawkiest war hawk in recent memory and people don't much like having America bombing every country it can get its grubby hands on. But hey, keep telling yourself that it's because everybody else is so uneducated and votes out of fear. I'm sure Trump won't win his reelection off of your same mistakes.
The DNC's failure started long before that, they should not have attempted a coronation.
This year's Democrat primary was truly weird, no Presidential incumbent but only a single prominent Democrat running? How the hell did that happen? It should have been a crowded field like 2008. Somehow the party machine convinced other prominent Democrats to stay out of the race, "it was her turn". There was one token opponent who mostly said he largely agreed with her and that she would be a good President. And there was the Independent running as a Democrat, a party outsider, Bernie.
It should have been a crowded Democratic primary field like 2008 and a more viable candidate emerging like in 2008. But that didn't work out for the party machine's preferred candidate last time did it, so they worked to avoid that same mistake and essentially ran here "unopposed" in the primary. The shock of Bernie doing so well should have told them something, but no, "it was her turn".
[sarcasm] DNC, thank you for Trump. You found the one candidate he could beat [/sarcasm].
Bu-bu-but... Hillary had a 99 percent chance of winning!
But... Google owner donated $50 million!
But... But... Nazi xenophobic Hitler racist words words words!
Best fucking day of my life.
This election was just like the Arab spring. Take the information monopoly out of the hands of the biased elites and use social media to reach everyone with the real message.
They did their best to sabotage him but Twitter and Facebook are the main reasons for the Trump victory.
lucm, indeed.
Baloney. Trump only called for a halt on immigration of Muslims until we have better vetting. He did not call to ban or deport or even mistreat all Muslims. Try reading the actual statement not the deliberate mis-interpretation by the left wing media.
I'm too lazy to compose a creative sig.
Such as, how much do Trump's people know about the energy situation. Trump himself has said some good things, like finally opening the Shoreham nuclear plant, but during the campaign he promoted coal, everyone's least favorite energy source, and ducked a question about opening Yucca Mountain. At least we'll get the Dakota Access Pipeline finished now, and probably as part of a specific push for energy independence.
The US congress has declared war 11 times the last one in 1942.
You went to fucking Vietnam without congressional approval. Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. There's no need for congressional approval for the president to deploy military force, and since this precedent has long since been established I don't think for a second Trump will even try to get congressional approval if he wants to play war-games in the mdddile-east or wherever.
"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
Yup. Bernie could have won against Trump. Biden could have won against Trump (although I understand the issue there is he didn't really want to run.) I even think Elizabeth Warren could have won against Trump.
Virtualy any serious (or indeed unserious) person willing to project a a sensible anti-establishment persona, and not say the kind stupid horseshirt Trump has said, and also not be trailing decades of sordid little establishment-class skeletons like Hillary... I tend to believe any of those people could have beaten Trump. We wanted a person in charge for a change; the democratic establishment instead gave us a lizard. One of the more reptilian lizards to saunter by in a while, really.
And so people voted for the blabbering airhead instead of the lizard. People of or for the left: please learn your lesson. Reform politics. Create an "alt-left"... or just continue down your current path, keep making your token snide remarks and behold as the right destroys everything.
So, what you're essentially saying is that you want the US to turn into a full-on plutocracy in which one will simply die without a job/income? And this at a time where menial jobs are fast disappearing because automation and machines are fast becoming more effective than human workers? And at the same time you want to make sure getting education becomes more difficult if not altogether impossible for people who cannot afford to take massive debt.
Do you understand what life under such a system would actually be like? It would essentially destroy any social mobility that you guys have left and mean that anyone born into a poor/uneducated family would permanently stay that way.
If this is the direction you guys want to be heading to, I'm doubly glad I'm not american, that's just lunacy.
"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
rexit remorse will set in quickly and a D wave will flow into Congress in 2018.
I'm more concerned about 2020 because that election is the one that will determine who gets to gerrymander the congressional seats for the next 10 years. The reason the republicans control congress right now is largely thanks to the results of the 2010 election.
The people that have the guns have no problem with Mr. Trump.
You can't elect women that don't run.
There are many reasons why Congress and the population as a whole don't sample equally.
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The seeds of the republic's destruction were sown in the 1910s by the Progressives: the States were expelled from Congress (Seventeenth Amendment), federal income tax instated, and Federal Reserve created, leading to inflationary monetary policies that impoverish savers and create asset bubbles. Someone like Trump is an unsurprising response to decades of unchecked statism and the rise of the managerial/bureaucratic class; by definition, such a class cannot constitute anything close to a numerical majority.
The people are mad as hell and are not going to take it anymore.
Now Trump will become head of the federal leviathan the Progressives created and Republicans failed to control. He will have unprecedented executive powers thanks to the COWARDLY failure of Congress to reign in G.W. Bush and Obama.
But I do feel some schadenfreude now that Progressives are talking about secession.
For years, I was called everything from a neo-Confederate to racist for advocating states' rights and secession (if needed) in response to the federal leviathan that spies on us, wages unconstitutional wars, and debases our currency. I was called backwards when I sounded the alarm against political and economic consolidation in D.C., about how it was always a conceit that such programs could work without destroying liberty in the process. A nation of 310+ million stretching from sea to shining sea should not be centrally managed from D.C. -- or anywhere. And now we have Donald Trump in the presidency. Great.
The REAL winners in this election? The ideas on which this republic was founded. Competitive sovereignty between the states. Limited federal government based on strict interpretation of enumerated powers. Congressional primacy (Article I > Article II). A president with less executive power. The rule of law. Separation of powers. Decentralization. Liberty.
Restore the republic, and you have less to fear from tyrants like Trump, Clinton, and the would-be Caesars who show up in 2020. This country was blessed to have one Cincinnatus in Washington, but we must always err on the side of prudence and never give into further political consolidation.
Your words don't represent the western civilisation. Your words only represent the ignorant and short-sighted ideas of someone who has never seen/done much. You might be even just repeating what others said before you. Ironically, you are likely to have been enjoying privileges during your whole life and haven't ever had the kind of problems you are afraid of. You think that everyone else wants what you have and that they don't know how to get it (or are too lazy or uneducated or poor or similar).
The reality is that your intransigent behaviour is precisely what increases the chances of your blind fears to actually materialise. Violence, hate, lack of understanding, intolerance, lack of opportunities, prejudices, short-sightedness or similar are the kind of things which provoke the appearance of what you don't want. Your just-in-case, unmotivatedly aggressive behaviour towards those different than you is likely to provoke their aggressive reactions. Do you want to feel safe, to be happy and to minimise the chances of anything bad happening to you and your beloved ones? Make an effort to understand and to be understood. Accept yourself and others and don't believe in generic magical solutions or bad guys. Remember that everyone else wants the same for themselves. The complexity of the world scares you? The world doesn't need your fear and you don't want to feel it, why keep doing it? If you cannot deal with something, just don't do it; nobody has requested your fear. Focus on your local community and the people you deal with on a daily basis. Just feeling hate or fear or frustration isn't an acceptable behaviour; not caring about what you don't want to understand would be 1000 times better. Stop thinking that what works for you, works for anyone else (or just deal with people thinking like you, if you prefer). Stop believing that everyone wants what you have (or replace fear with proudness and happiness about having a so-interesting-to-everyone-else life and fully enjoy it). Why do you think that sharing your fears will be helpful to anyone? Scared people tend to make really bad decisions. Also never forget that each single action has a reaction; better make sure that you know what you are doing before affecting others or plainly don't do anything. In summary: live and let live.
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Not only that, but they pushed hard (with dubious means as we found out) to have Clinton win the nomination, when she is probably the "Democrat" that Democrat voters themselves like the least. And "like the least" is a euphemism when many outright hate her. ALMOST ANYONE else would have had an easy time against Donald Trump, but no, they didn't want people like Bernie etc, Clinton was the DNC's favorite gal...
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How is it that over half the population is women and yet they account for only 20% of congress?
For the same reason that over half the population is women and yet they account for only 15% of the prison population... they take fewer risks.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
Yeah me too. I know of 3 Trump voters, and all were for Bernie originally. I know of 4 more Bernie-or-busters that voted third party. You have it exactly perfectly right.
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
because of all the idiots voting for 3rd parties
Sure, blame that whopping less than 5% of people that voted for someone other than the two record-breakingly unlikable candidates that were put up on offer. Clearly it's their fault.
Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon. -- Susan Ertz
Not just your lifetime, but your country's lifetime, IIRC...
Really? How many women are CEOs of Fortune 500 companies? How many women have been president? Vice president? How is it that over half the population is women and yet they account for only 20% of congress? If you honestly think it is a level playing field then you are either delusional or sexist.
Why does it matter? Why do you want to force people into positions that they don't want? Why do you believe that someones genitals, or sexual identity is important? Do you also believe the same thing about an individuals race? Why does it seem your most important qualification to hire someone, or have them in office is something that they're born with.
All of those things? If you want to put people a head of others based on characteristics that they were born with instead of their skill, ability, or the earned merit that they gained from hard work. You're no different then a sexist that believed that only men could be doctors or politicians in the 1910's and earlier. Or a racist in the 1960's that believed those "blacks and/or mexicans" could never be educated enough to succeed.
Om, nomnomnom...
You have to understand that they can't help it. They're running a program they've been coded to run, just like a computer. Anything that's not in 100% agreement with their opinion is automatically flagged as "hate", "dangerous", "scary", and must be stopped "at all costs". Do we blame the computer when it executes the commands it is told to execute and then gives an incorrect result? No, we'd blame the programmer.
We need to look no further than the schools/universities, media, celebrities, and those who control them (the programmers) to see why leftism is losing. Radical leftism is a failed ideology, but like all malevolent actors they just assume they can brute force their code onto enough systems so that they control the botnet. They've programmed these "machines" to react in this way. Unlike computers, however, we can't just wipe the hard drive and start with a fresh image--and unlike coding we can't debug the routine to see why it provides the incorrect result.
All the rest of us can do is continue to spread the words of truth, honesty, love and liberty rather than the inverted result you get from the malfunctioning machines.
Really, now that somewhere in excess of 30% of people refuse to participate, and they botched this one so bad, will the people who hire these jerks now just go away? Yes, it appears that Clinton won the popular vote, but she didn't get 50%. I was one of the crowd who voted 3rd party, since the Dumbocrats and the Repugnicans couldn't nominate someone who could come up with a better campaign slogan than "The other party sucks worse."
And if Dr. Condoleeza Rice had run, we'd probably have elected the first black woman. But she didn't.
How can there be a civil war when the people who lost don't have any guns or Russian hackers?
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
Another voice who doesn't fully comprehend what 'The United STATES of America' means, both in theory and in practice..
Your proposal should require a constitutional amendment, for it fundamentally changes our nation, in a way that was conceived and intentional at its founding.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
If the democrats learn a single lesson from this election, it's that:
Democracy is compromise.
Starting a negotiation with the premise (stated stridently and repeatedly) that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is a complete and utter fucking moron doesn't make you right. It makes people hate you.
-Styopa
Now you have a populist who will bring back the minimum wage (while such a thing exists) manufacturing jobs from China (great going Peter Navarro - and if you voted for Trump but have no idea who this is, you are part of the problem), at least until automation kicks you to the curb. "Blue-collar" workers have (best case) staved away their downward decline for a few years, while destroying any hope of a transition to a decent health care system and safety nets that they'll need in the coming decades.
Really? How many women are CEOs of Fortune 500 companies? How many women have been president? Vice president? How is it that over half the population is women and yet they account for only 20% of congress? If you honestly think it is a level playing field then you are either delusional or sexist.
Perhaps it's time to ask that question of the 42+% of women that voted for Trump?
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
Donald Trump's victory is a much-needed wake up call to the elites of the USA and the wider world. Hillary Clinton remembered the affluent east and west coasts and forgot those in-between. Trump did not persuade voters; voters persuaded Trump to represent them. The orchestrated anti-Trump narrative in the media did not achieve the desired effect of promoting Clinton, who is popularly viewed as untrustworthy and corrupt.
The 'status quo' candidate representing the interests of high finance and corporations lost and the change candidate emerged victorious. The House, Senate and Presidency are all in Republican hands, thanks to the votes of people inhabiting cities and towns of the USA which have been in decline for decades due to a lethal combination of unhindered free trade, advancing technology, and outsourcing of labour. Millions of desperate people were left to drown by a disdainful elite, and would grasp any life raft offered; it was Trump who made that offer. Whether he'll follow through and actually help those left behind, only time will tell.
The U.S. election result is further evidence that the majority of the mass media lives in a self-perpetuated bubble, insulated from the harsh and grim realities ordinary people face every day. Huge frustration and discontentment in modern politics manifested in the UK with the Brexit vote to leave the European Union, and it is manifest in the U.S. Presidential election. In Bernie Sanders the Democratic Party had a more palatable populist, but preferred to nominate their Establishment candidate instead.
So they did...and so she lost.
As opposed to the current transfer of public goods, services, and privileges to private (sometimes foreign) interests through access to the highest levels of the gov't courtesy of donations to the Clinton Foundation?
I and many other Americans decided to risk your hypothetical instead of continuing the current reality.
It's because she was too smart to want the job!
Ultimately, I voted for Trump because he can't do WORSE than Obama or Hilary. He might do a terrible job, but he can't do worse, and to my knowledge, he's not a happy criminal whose family has anyone who airs their laundry killed.
I think you're seriously underestimating Trump.
Security is mostly a superstition... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. - Helen Keller
Can't do worse than Obama? Shit he was doing worse than Obama from day 1 of his campaign. Well you'll be yearning for him back soon.
A lot of Trump's supporters aren't going to be happy that he can't deliver on all the promises he made.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- HST
Actually, I'm pretty sympathetic to the (mostly real) grievances of Trump voters. My biggest problems with Trump are, in descending order:
- His general disdain for constitutional rights. People think it's no big deal now because they aren't the target of his disgust, but wait until the day you disagree with him.
- I think he has given license to political and racial violence.
- And I don't think for one minute his tax policy will do anything other than benefit the very wealthy at the expense of everyone else.
But hey, maybe I am completely off-base here. Maybe everything is going to be fine, and His Trumpiness will bring peace and prosperity to all Americans. If that happens, I'll vote for him in 2020. It wouldn't be the first time I switched my vote based on a president's job performance.
Trump won on platform, and was the only person putting forth any platform. Immigration reform and protecting the US/Mexico border was the first part of his speeches and people latched on. Politicians have barely paid those issues lip service in the last 40 years, let alone done anything to fix it. In fact many will argue that the Democrats want more of the same because it increases their voting base.
Trump actively questioned the decisions in keeping the US at war in the Middle East where thousands of US Soldiers have been killed and hundreds of thousands have suffered permanent disability. The President and Hillary planned and achieved massive destabilization in the Middle East and Africa. They failed to hold VA executives accountable for failures which have led to the suicides of thousands of vets and exacerbated health issues.
Trump actively discussed the unfair economics at play which has greatly increased wealth disparity in the US, the massive amounts of unemployment and underemployment, and massive reduction in the middle class.
Trump actively talked about media and political corruption, which was made very transparent despite the efforts of the people involved in corruption and holding power. Drain the Swamp should ring a bell.
Trump sending mean tweets was the only thing the media talked about, but people saw him talking and heard the messages on platform which the media happily ignored.
Compared to Hillary who wanted to do everything President Obama did but times 10. She only latched on to immigration because she saw how much she was losing and tried to pull base Democrats back to her side. Even then, like so many issues, people simply found no way to believe what she said she would do.
I have said for years that we were due for a soft revolution, and that is exactly what happened. I have posted numerous times that Trump has a great shot because the average American is fed up. If the soft revolution does not work, we will get to a hard revolution. As I have also said, we hope it does not need to get to that point. Democracy still works, and that fact alone has given a huge number of people hope. Corrupt cronies don't always win, and people's voices are still heard.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Between 2012 and 2015, the US population went up ~10 million. Yet the total number of ballots cast in the 2016 presidential election is about 6 million fewer than the total cast in 2012. Where did these voters go? Why didn't they vote? The margin between Trump and Clinton was around 200,000 votes nationally, or about 1/30th of the difference between 2012 and 2016.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Just joining the craziness.
You say that Trump is a caricature of the worst stereotypes...aggressive, irrational, uneducated, greedy, and violently racist...
Those can be used to describe Hilary as well - including racist - and you can add the adjectives corrupt, immoral, criminal, and incompetent.
No one should be happy with this election. The two candidates put forward by their respective parties were both awful. I wasn't planning on voting; I planned on abstaining, but my wife begged me to vote. Ultimately, I voted for Trump because he can't do WORSE than Obama or Hilary. He might do a terrible job, but he can't do worse, and to my knowledge, he's not a happy criminal whose family has anyone who airs their laundry killed.
I voted third-party instead of endorsing either Trump or Clinton.
That and the fact that he's unstable.. Yes he will go through most of his aides.. but his public (internal meaning US) communications will undermine any attempts he does via his aides. Given 95% of the world didn't even think he win, and reject him.. And the only people that are voting for rooting for trump (outside the US) are nationalists, isolationists and communists is quite telling (none of who have the best interests of the US as a goal).
I'm glad I emigrated from the US in time.. and took my 20 companies (and assets) and family out of the US in time. (upside we made a fortune selling short)
I hope everyone gets EXACTLY what they voted for.. (which they will).. Trump most definitely will be an agent of change.. but its the case of the wish granting genie.. you got what you wished, just not in the way you wanted or the desired outcome.
Best of luck folks.
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His general disdain for constitutional rights. People think it's no big deal now because they aren't the target of his disgust, but wait until the day you disagree with him.
You say that like it's a distinguishing feature. You know what would have really made Trump completely unproblematic as a president? Maintaining the original constitutional limits of power, instead of growing the power of the federal government for centuries. The left has been pushing for more power in Washington since forever, because they needed it to "fix" the world. Well, now someone else is sitting in front of those levers you built, promising to "fix" the world.
Do you understand why Libertarians support narrow limits to governmental power now?
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
I wouldn't vote for him in 2020 if he cured cancer single-handedly. He's a vile, disgusting failure of a human being.
That's normal: some things go up, some go down.
Manufactured goods have been consistently dropping or flat-lining per inflation.
Housing and medical care have traditionally been rising over time. Housing because population increases yet factories cannot make new land (although Japan & China are trying).
Medical rises because it's still labor-intensive in a hard-to-outsource way, and new treatments keep coming. In that past where people would just die, there are now treatments, but they are expensive.
College is growing more expensive because a college education is almost a necessity to avoid being poor, as manufacturing and warehouse jobs are offshored or automated. Bernie was right about college being the new high-school. More demand usually means higher prices, at least for a while.
Stocks and bonds are different animals than consumer products such that I won't consider them here.
Average inflation has been sub-par. I'd like to see Helicopter Money theory tried, at least incrementally. It might just work.
Table-ized A.I.
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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Some who voted against him, you mean. American voters aren't one dimensional. We have pro-gun lesbian hedge fund managers living across the street from anti-gun evangelical illegal immigrants!
Nobody wants Obama back
Nobody could get Obama back. There's a big difference. Many people wished this election that a president could run a third term given the two talking turds that appeared on the ballot.
Technically if it was the voters deciding it would be Hillary as she won the popular vote. Going by our electoral system Trump of course won but don't pretend he won because of the pure will of the voters as there's a level of government between them and their actual voice.
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1) Trump's threat of lawsuits because he doesn't like what some one is saying is a life style for him. Here's a start but certainly not all encompassing http://www.dailywire.com/news/...
This should be incredibly worrying coming from a President who has both chambers of Congress at his back.
2) I don't you think realize that BLM is a completely decentralized movement. Yes there are crazy people involved who just want to riot but the vast majority of their protests are perfectly peaceful and are just full of people who want to draw attention to the massive numbers of black men in this country who are dieing from violence. Just because Hillary has ties doesn't mean she endorses every single sub faction of the group.
3) If Trump treated his employees well he'd pay all of them. Furthermore, his habit of declaring bankruptcy (about 6 times I believe) and thus legally defrauding his investors for his own personal gain is rather worrying. He looks out for the people that looking out for works for him.
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