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Donald Trump Wins US Presidency (nytimes.com)
It's official: Donald Trump has won the 2016 presidential election. Slashdot reader Xenographic writes: Google's map of results is now calling the race for Donald J. Trump. This is something that Nate Silver jokingly predicted back on May 10th when he wrote "Reminder: Cubs will win the World Series and, in exchange, President Trump will be elected 8 days later." The House and Senate are also under Republican control. In other news, the Canadian immigration site has crashed under heavy load.This is how The New York Times, America's top newspaper reported the news:The surprise outcome, defying late polls that showed Hillary Clinton with a modest but persistent edge, threatened convulsions throughout the country and the world, where skeptics had watched with alarm as Mr. Trump's unvarnished overtures to disillusioned voters took hold. The triumph for Mr. Trump, 70, a real estate developer-turned-reality television star with no government experience, was a powerful rejection of the establishment forces that had assembled against him, from the world of business to government, and the consensus they had forged on everything from trade to immigration. The results amounted to a repudiation, not only of Mrs. Clinton, but of President Obama, whose legacy is suddenly imperiled. And it was a decisive demonstration of power by a largely overlooked coalition of mostly blue-collar white and working-class voters who felt that the promise of the United States had slipped their grasp amid decades of globalization and multiculturalism. Update: The New Yorker's Editor-in-Chief David Remnick, described the Election outcome as "an American tragedy." The New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said, "Trump will bring global recession." BBC has an article on how the media worldwide has described Trump's victory. The Guardian captured the thoughts of world leaders on the matter. Hillary Clinton addressed the nation this morning and told her supporters that they all should keep an open mind and give Trump the chance to lead.
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Didn't see this coming but it looks like the republicans will control all branches. It will be interesting to see what they do with that power in the upcoming years.
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Hay we survived bush Jr we can survive trump.
An old Chinese saying is may you live in interesting times....wait that was a curse wasn't it :/
Interesting times.
lol
Good riddance to all you faggot SJWs.
called it. eat that killary supporters
And this in the country that elected George W. Bush president twice. Will they ever learn?
Dear DNC and superdelegates: Thanks so much for giving us the most unpopular Democratic nominee in living memory. What should have been a landslide win has become a complete fucking nightmare. Good job.
That's all. Just KEK.
You Americans voted for him and deserve all the ridicule and consequences for your actions.
In about 3 months that man will have all the codes to nuclear weapons.
We will see the results to come.
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We're sorry.
Sincerely,
a shitload of americans. (just not a big enough shitload, apparently).
Hoping against hope that this will happen. Shut down the Fed, IRS, FHA, EPA, departments of energy, small business, education, get rid of all departments that are unconstitutional. Get libertarians, objectivists, ancaps into positions in SCOTUS and other powerful positions. Shut down everything public, get rid of SS, Medicare, labour laws and regulations, income and wealth taxes. This planet needs individual freedoms on that level at least in one country.
Restructure the debts, allow the economy to rebuild itself by removing government from it.
I don't think Trump will do much of that, but that is what is needed.
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Please consolidate all the comments about how sexist/racist/xenophobic America is because they didn't coronate Hillary under this comment for organizational purposes. Please provide reasons for why a bunch of people who were "good" when they voted for Obama deserve to be shipped off to your concentration camps today for failing to do as they were told.
Also, you can post your real estate listings here since you ARE actually going to man up (ooh wait.. too cisgendered a term there) and move to Canada right?
Interesting microcosm of why Hillary ACTUALLY lost that can't be boiled down to a prejudiced throw-away "ism" hurled at groups of people you don't like: Tonight she flat out refused to go out and face her own supporters at her lavish "victory" party. Not even to thank them for their hard work. No class whatsoever where it actually counts.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
If all those people who promised to leave the US if Trump won would actually leave, we'd be in a much better place as a nation. Let's cross our fingers, but I'm sure their private position on the matter is different than their public position.
1. Barbra Streisand 2. Bryan Cranston 3. Miley Cyrus 4. Lena Dunham 5. Amy Schumer 6. Jon Stewart 7. Cher 8. Chelsea Handler 9. Samuel L. Jackson 10. Whoopi Goldberg 11. Neve Campbell 12. Keegan-Michael Key 13. George Lopez 14. Ne-Yo 15. Rev. Al Sharpton 16. Raven-Symoné
Don't let the door hit your rears on the way out you babies!
This is probably one of the proudest moments of my life. I've never been more proud to be an American than right now. Finally, after eight years of some of the worst leadership we've ever seen, the destruction of the American dream, the destruction of the American Way, we're finally on the right path. Soon a 9th judge will be added to the Supreme Court and we'll be able to start fighting to win back our rights from the SJWs that have been attacking America for so long.
Today is a good day to be an American.
We have won back America.
If I was Mr Trump, I'd be gravely concerned that those who have most to lose from this victory might seek out a grassy knoll somewhere to "put things right". From what I read of history, it would not be "unprecedented" -- which would then leave the USA "unpresidented". People who aspire to power often don't take failure very well.
Been done, watch it if you like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
At the end of the day Trump is too incompetent to start a major war. Or do anything else too drastic. He is vain and intellectually lazy, so the lobbyists will keep him under control.
But the big thing he WILL do is roll back Obamacare. The thing that poor whites rely on if they get ill. He'll cut taxes to the rich and services to the poor like nobody else.
He'll make noises about Mexicans but do nothing. He will make noises about China but is unlikely to do anything.
But if you rely on government services too bad, so sad.
In a democracy the people get the government that they deserve.
Jealous and Angry
Unwilling to get a job
He is a Leftist
the dollar will plummet, that means cheaper stuff from the US. Oh, wait, the good stuff is all made in China. Damn.
I went to bed at 11:00 PM thinking too many states were too close to call until the morning. It's 1:52 AM right now. I just got woken up by my two-year-old yelling. He couldn't tell me what was wrong. I gave him some water and changed him, even though he wasn't wet, and I put him back to bed.
I thought, what the hell, I gotta know. I power on the computer, log in, and this is what I see.
Methinks young padawan senses a disturbance in the force.
I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.
Incidentally, for those looking for someone to blame here, look no further than the DNC:
Read the PDF attachment on this email for the source.
Four years we get to listen to his pedantic bullshit.
And in four years, we have to sit through another goddamn election season where he's a candidate.
I fully expect him to appoint every conservative wingnut he can find to positions of power.
We're going to try trickle down economics one more fucking time.
We're going to boot 20 million people off of their health care, and institute health savings plans instead (great if you live well enough above your means that you can afford to set money aside).
We're going to ignore the Paris Climate Accords. The EPA will be left in tatters.
We're going to waste half a trillion dollars building a fucking wall, to address an immigration problem that is nowhere near our top concern.
We're going to defund the Department of Education.
And on and on and fucking on.
And I fully expect the Trump administration to be rife with scandals. There's a reason he didn't want to get into financial disclosures. He will use the office to further his investments.
President Trump, the greatest shitshow on earth!
For anyone who doubts the parent post, read the PDF attached to this email and look at the list of names of "Pied Piper Candidates" the DNC hoped to face.
Maybe they should dump the superdelegates and let the people choose their own candidate next time?
You Americans had the opportunity to prove you're smarter than the Brits once and for all and you blew it, great work.
Interesting times ahead for sure....most immediately the new global recession you've just triggered.
I wonder how many WW2 vets lived to see this day.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Britain slips down to number 2 in the stupidest country rankings.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson. Hey, at least we will now have the hottest first lady in history.
1776-2016
I congratulate you, Americans for you choice. Note that the only state which has more than 90% votes for Klinton was D.C. So, she is candidate of bureaucrats.
And it's finally come through. Salt, glorious salt, as high and far as the eyes can see.
http://i.imgur.com/duMpVyX.png
Clearly the results of this election are the work of the patriarchy. And Russian hackers!
Nonsense propaganda. It hasn't been done, it needs to be done and it is not a movie.
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Since term limits began we've been in a cycle of 8 years one party, 8 years the other. Bush (the first) was the only exception, because Reagan was ridiculously popular and Dukakis wasn't.
More accurately, Republicans have a base of ~40% that turns out no matter what; Democrats don't, which is why all the true landslides of the past 50 years have gone to Republicans. The party cycle is pretty much all because of Democrats; after two elections they become complacent and idealistic and stop turning out, then it takes a couple terms of Republicans to build up the fire in their belly again. It would be funny, except for how many people suffer in the meantime.
And if you were one of those idealists who would only vote for Bernie, remember that idealism is an extremism as dangerous as any other, because it ends in letting the world burn because you won't settle for second best.
Anyway, all hail Grand Nagus Trump and see you in 2018.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
I wonder which of the following will be the first to become a target of a special prosecutor: Hillary, MSNBC, the New York Times, Politifact, or Glenn Beck? I hope the millions of people with Obamacare who voted for Trump realize what they have done. I sure hope What is left of Republican leadership has the bells to stand up to this madman.
So 5 eyes gets a new member, 6 EYES. Now Putin gets access to everyones private secrets too. He promised not to use it to hack any electoral parties, and create propaganda by selectively leaking during an election.
Well, at least we (the UK) are no longer the biggest clowns in the west.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
The demographics keep moving towards the Democrats. There have never been more offended Latinos, women and immigrants from the Middle East. Heck, even the Mormons were having misgivings.
I don't know where the extra Republican votes came from.
This is Slashdot -- anyone here think that hacking voting machines is a strange thought with Russia's help?
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1) Markets are tanking.
2) News about how to immigrate to Canada floated from #5 to #3 on the Google "Top News" list.
At this rate, I'm glad I woke up. I'll go get my passport, pack my bags, get in line early to withdraw all my savings from the bank, and drive north.
you stupid, inferiour brown pieces of shit.
shitting in your brown fuckface
Trump worked around the clock persuading the public he could make a change. He self-funded his campaign, has no foreign interests he is beholden to, and people could tell he wants to make America better for everyone.
The Democrats ran a sick, dishonest and unlikable candidate that had the backing of Hollywood, the media, and the establishment politicians. Sometimes propaganda backfires.
Time to talk to your legislators and work as a team to solve some of the problems America is facing.
Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.
how soon? with Elong Munk have the technology?
Picture fat mexicans being electricuted and chopped up by robots. Mmm
Americans now own Donald J. Trump. He's theirs.
And they own everything that happens as a result, good... and bad.
Don't be mad at me, the idiots, racists, right wing nutters and low information 'real' Americans have spoken.
So, now own it. All of it.
I don't blame Trump for this. I don't even blame the people really. I blame the DNC.
We've survived 8 years of Bush. We can do this. At the very least it should be an entertaining 4 years or however long it takes him to get impeached for war crimes.
Pick a swing state and colonize it if you actually care about your country.
If you look at the state maps, wherever population is densest, people tend to vote left. The reason is simple: people who live in close quarters have learned that it's important to get along.
All those folks out in the sparse spaces haven't figured out that rugged individualism is basically childishness. We look out from the cities and see drooling yokels - they look at us and see preening fops making useless rules.
World's getting smaller though. Eventually the children will have to grow up. We have to take care of each other and share limited resources.
It's been nice knowing you, USA.
You were doing great upto this point, but decided to stop.
Hope to see you back in one piece in four years.
And I do mean that literally.
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I heard the election was rigged.I can't remember who said that though. Oh yeah, the guy that won.
the GOP will probably lose the Senate next mid-term. Probably. For the record, Blacks and Latinos didn't come out for Hilary. The election was close and if they had she probably would have won. To be fair thanks to the Supreme Court striking down the 1965 Voting Rights Act they probably didn't get the chance. Blacks are 6 times more likely to wait an hour to vote then whites.
But all that said, Hilary had nothing substantive to offer voters. The only concrete thing we got out of her was the Buffet rule. That left emotion, and she leaves everyone cold. She spent too much time working up to this and not enough time living. People don't feel anything from her, and our elections are decided on feelings.
Oh, and Comey? Nice Job. Very nice job.
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I yearn for your wisdom every day in response to every major event and for this election, you have not dissapointed me!!
I look forward to your comments during the next four to eight years of excitement! You make such a nice companion during this upcoming roller coaster ride!!!
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Charles Schumer got ex-patriot Act passed. I do hope all the people who voluntarily give up their citizenship don't get to take it back. We just ended the era of the insane running the asylum. Let's hope Canada keeps the crazy ones.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
How long before some of the skeletons come out of the closet, or he grabs some pussy because he can, and we end up with a Clinton-esque investigation/impeachment? Think he will make it to mid term?
Lots of it. The 1965 Voter Rights Act got shut down. Polling places in Black and Latino neighborhoods were closed left and right. Folks with guns hung around polling offices scaring voters. I hate to Godwin this thread but a buddy of mine likened it to what the Nazis did. He wasn't entirely wrong.
If you know a Black or Latino of voting age then make a pledge. Make sure they vote in the mid-term. It's the only chance to balance this mess out. In the meantime I've got a Type-1 Diabetic friend who's gonna get cut off from insurance when the ACA gets repealed. He was hitting the ER for insulin (often just barely making it) until the ACA funded Medicare expansion got him back on the rolls. Maybe I'll try a go fund me in 12 months when he's kicked off again.
I hope it's not for his casket...
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the 1% are fine with Trump. Lots of tax cuts, regulation cuts, Union busting, etc. That leaves the loons, and the left just aren't up to assassinations. We've shied away from violence this entire campaign. Trumps fine. The rest of us? Not so much.
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thankfully.
The rest are quite happy to have him over Clinton, although many might have preferred other candidates to win. But y'know fuck Dems and all, just like the Dems are all 'Fuck Reps and all.' rather than 'Fuck this country's bipartisan monopoly on politics' and ignore who'll win this election and vote who you'd rather win the next.
Sadly this year my ballot had a lot of blanks spaces on it because the only choices were no choices at all. But I at least submitted a ballot, unlike many in the country.
If only Bernie got the nod instead of Hillary. Probably would have been a much different show.
Probably one of the worst elections in history but that just shows you where America stands. Quite honestly I would have rather had Trump over Hillary. Just too much scandal surrounding her at higher levels than Donald Trump.
they're large, have a lot of money, and if they stay home we lose the election anyway. That's why we let her run. We also underestimated how unpersonable she would be and how effective the character assassination campaign against her was.
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From the Washington Post:
I’m no fan of Peter Thiel, the billionaire who put Gawker out of business by bankrolling a lawsuit by Hulk Hogan, the professional wrestler. In fact, I find him appalling.
But when he spoke recently at the National Press Club, he said something that struck me as quite perceptive about Donald Trump.
“The media is always taking Trump literally. It never takes him seriously, but it always takes him literally,” Thiel said. Journalists wanted to know exactly how he would deport that many undocumented immigrants, or exactly how Trump would rid the world of ISIS. We wanted details.
But a lot of voters think the opposite way: They take Trump seriously but not literally.
They realize, Thiel said, that Trump doesn’t really plan to build a wall. “What they hear is, ‘We’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.’ ”
Trump, quite apparently, captured the anger that Americans were feeling about issues such as trade and immigration.
Also, as someone who is not a Trump supporter, I thought at least that his acceptance speech was quite good.
Do you know there's no income tax in North Korea. Lots of freedoms guaranteed in the constitution, 90% of everybody greatly impoverished with few functioning state services (except for education, which they have but people don't get in your plan). A stable military dictatorship, which may be the best I wish for your country after you run it into the ground.
at the very least Hilary & Co are out the door. Done. Finished.
I'm hoping the damage Trump does can be contained by the MID Term and this shifts the country left. Hopefully the Blacks and Latinos that stayed home and gave this election to Trump realize their mistake in the mid-terms. That said, Voter Suppression played a vital role in getting Trump elected (poll watching, closing polls in Black & Latino districts, etc, etc) and it's not going to get any easier from here...
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The USAian media said that the top election statisticians have said that it was virtually impossible for Donald Trump to win the election. They also say that it is a virtual impossibility that white men do not cause man made global climate change. Now they are saying that Donald Trump did in fact win the election. Here we have two assertions that contradict each other. At least to my biased white mind they seem to contradict each other (i.e. That Hillary Clinton is a virtual shoe in to win the election, and that Donald trump has won the election) To me that that means that either my inherent racist white bias interferes with my ability to perceive reality and I just am too stupid / racist to understand why the media is right. The other possibility would be that the media is full of shit!
I know that the media is not full of shit because they tell me they are not full of shit every time i watch TV. So it must be that global warming is real. Hillary Clinton did win the election, and I am racist because I am white.
for ignoring the Middle Class. They focused on the very rich and the very poor. Those two groups got taken care of. The rich got tax breaks, cheap labor and cheap money (super low interest rates, etc) and the poor got the Medicare expansion, extended unemployment and a bit of stimulus. The middle class got fuck all.
Joe Biden talked about this (I wish he'd run, he'da crushed Trump). Sure, Trump isn't going to do anything either, but he said he would, which is more than I heard from Hilary...
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It is probable I was not paying attention back then in early 2000s, but when republicans had control of congress and whitehouse they did not start undoing all the "bad laws" enacted by the democrats.
At any rate, I hope trump is a better leader than campaigner.
Besides once trump is sworn in, the men in black will tell him the world is really run by aliens and trump will backpedal, just like all others who have served in that office.
Vote for the damn issues, AND, whatever or whoever serves their ACTUALLY HAPPENING, however incrementally.
This means NO THIRD PARTY shit, NO PROTEST VOTES, PARTICIPATING IN PRIMARIES, and VOTING FOR ONE OF THE TWO.
FUCK.
Well, it was a good run while it lasted. RIP humanity.
Eat the rich.
It's over already? Without any challenges? I thought someone said the election was rigged. Oh wait. Maybe that's only if it doesn't go your way. Whew. Dodged a bullet there.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Trump proved that it is more difficult to get a golfing course in Scotland than it is to be elected to be the President of The United States. The latter being a consolation for the former.
Check yourself in now. Bill Clinton was a truly great president. Stop drinking the Kool Aid, and look at the numbers, particularly the economic ones you piece of shit lame ass excuse for a human being. You Trump apologist.
1. Obama had VASTLY more power - he had super majorities in both the House and Senate, which let him do ANYTHING he wanted in his 1st almost 2 years in office without a single Republican vote in congress and with the Republicans not even able to mount a fillibuster in the Senate (incidentally, while the Dems used that power for that nearly trillion dollar stimulus bill and the auto take-over and bank bailouts and Obamacare, they did NOT use it for amnesty or or fixing the inner cities or anything else that would then deprive them of future election arguments to their ethic voter groups). Trump has the congress only marginally - many in Republicans congress are RINOS and "never trumpers" - there WERE no "never Obamas" among the Democrats in congress.
2. I repeatedly warned liberals on this site that all that cheering they did as Obama did tons of crap "with a pen and his phone" was setting precedents that any future Republican president could use. No Trump has license to run just as rough-shod over every stinking liberal thing he chooses using those very same precedents they and Obama established. THAT was why "ends justify the means" ethics was always a bad idea. If Trump uses that power now to trash every damn thing you like, you have nobody but yourselves to blame. As a right-winger, I personally hope that conservatives in his circles will urge Trump to show more restraint in this regard and not be the dirtbag Obama has been. I do not want my president doing that crap whether he's a Republican OR a Democrat.
3. This may be the one chance in our lifetimes to see a non-government person go into Washington and upend all the corruption and bureaucracy. A business guy will be able to bring a real-world perspective to things government has been doing and look at lots of stuff and ask the unthinkable questions: "should government be doing THAT?" and "Is that the smartest and most-efficient way to do THAT?" and "Are you an actual expert, or were were you just the one who contributed the most money to some politician?"
I am very cautiously optimistic that DC and the media will be so far in shock that the inertia of big corrupt government, and NYC media, and talking-head experts and campaign consultants will all have to do a little introspection. The elites need to get out of their bubbles and visit and get to know the rest of America.
Big loser of the night: Goldman Sachs (followed by the rest of the Wall Street bankers and globalist multinational corps).
There will be tons of jobs for all the whites without college degrees.
Kill two birds with one stone !
And he came out and outright lied to the Hillary party about fighting on and nothing happening before the morning, so they should all go home. Meanwhile, HRC was making her concession call to Trump. And so they avoided Hillary making the public speech to her fans, and the televised scenes of the fans having nervous breakdowns and saying untoward things on TV.
Under US law when you become a president you become public figure and lose your right to your likeness and name. There could be cottage industry of Trump branded products that Donald J Trump won't make a penny on.
1) Both the Bush and Clinton crime families are finished. They will never hold any power in either side of the Ruling Party again.
2) Trump is ego driven. He has no actual policy agenda.
3) Trey Gowdy might actually have enough integrity to prosecute criminals from both sides of the Ruling Party. Obama gave Bush's minions a walk as a professional courtesy.
4) This defeat is an opportunity for the Democrats to clean house, big time. (Not that I really expect them to do so, but still.)
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
At the risk of sounding incredibly trite and pompous, people get the government they deserve
... twice
This vote isn't much of a surprise to me coming from the land that voted Dubya in
...with not electing Hillary Clinton!
Despite some of his harsh stances and rhetoric, Trump is basically moving the GOP away from the ultra-conservative right where they have been stuck for the last 2 decades.
On the DNC side, Clinton is the last Neocon. Now she's gone. Probably the next generation of democrat leaders is going to be much more on the left, Bernie-like.
Lots of D voters stayed home. Because people don't like Hillary.
Regardless of how you voted for (Bernie Sanders for me because he seemed like a real person and not just a cosmetic masterpiece), Trumps speech felt genuine and was cool to give others credit instead of just saying "ME ME ME". Asshole or not, he seemed like an actual person and not just a robot with a perfectly strategic agenda. My stomach seriously started to cramp up when I thought Hillary was going to win and I'd have to hear her speak for the next 4 years trying to convince the world she cares. Does she even like movies? listen to music or have a soul? Seems like shes been in politics her whole life and it robbed her of a personality and character which are very important to me over a 'platform' The fact that he has no experience, no one thought he would win and still overcame to win has to go for something. Only time will tell but lets at least give him a year before calling for his impeachment because if he overcame all those odds, maybe he is more "qualified" than we give him credit for.
All of America and all of her people.
That serves you right for having been making fun of us on Berlusconi all those years!
Is it time to forge a new western power? Europe, Canada, Australia & New Zealand? Unhitch our collective wagons from the burning wreck that the United(?) States of America is about to become.
This is a first for me. I voted for John Kerry some years ago, then Gary Johnson in 2012, and now Trump - my first time voting Republican. I could not be happier.
I feel zero responsibility for the disasters of our last 2 presidents (GWB & BHO), so it will be interesting to see how Trump plays out. To be fair, I'm not even a fan of Trump, but I hated Hillary with every fiber of my being.
I knew it was a matter of time for the pendulum to swing in the other direction, but who knew it could happen so soon!?
Goodbye Obamacare, and hello to a new supreme court justice who will defend the 2nd amendment!!
Time for the GOP to DOMINATE!!!
Just in time for the great war... the one we havent fought yet...
DOW Futures were down almost a 1000 points when it looked like Trump might actually win because of all the idiots voting for 3rd parties. Expect a significant stock market crash tommorow, by the time he takes office the ecomomy is going to be in recession unless he repudiates his threats to reneg on the existing free trade agreements and other economic suicide policies he's promissed to implement to placate the ignorant. He's scared the business community so badly that most companies will halt investments, within a month layoffs will start because everyone is holding back waiting to see how badly he fucks up trade and the economy. Negative views like this become self fullfiling in very short order because emotion drives the market.
The great recession that Obama narrowly stopped turning into a full depression is going to cycle back around. And just like Bush's first term when R's controlled both houses they will cut taxes, increase spending and sink the countries future. But maybe we'll get lucky and he'll start a nuclear war because someone insulted him.
If you promised to move to Canada if Trump won, please post contact information and an army of volunteers will reach out to you shortly to schedule a date to help you pack.
If you promised to move to Mexico to protest Trump's plan to halt illegal immigration, please... Just kidding, we know none of you are willing to live in Mexico.
See that "Preview" button?
Google has already seemingly removed the election results link from their logo.. I don't believe that would've happened had it gone the other way around.
75 years ago over 400,000 of our troops fought a war against nations lead by people like Trump. Every person who voted for him just spit on their graves.
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who do you think sent Trump?
ha ha ha
I hear of all the people wanting to emigrate to Canada, but what is wrong with Mexico?
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
To find out Canadian immigration website runs IIS.
How's that two party system doing for you?
Here's hoping checks and balances will save us... and I can't even be too sure of that because of the republican influence in the house and senate.
Who believed the lies that HRC and crew made up and the media that swore to them. Who failed to perceive reality and live in a fantasy of someone else's making. Who can't stand the idea of anyone having views different from theirs. Who cannot understand the concept of being a good loser, 'cause in their world everybody gets a trophy. Who think that there are better places to live in the world for them, but won't actually more there, dammit.
Enjoy the decline of American power folks.
I had a dream, bright and carefree, but now there's doubt and gravity
It's even better on imgur where the younger snowflakes are practically suicidal. /popcorn
We may as well get started learning Russian now, for the inevitable consequences of The Donald pulling the US out of NATO.
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Eat the rich.
and thanks for all the fish.
Thank you, America, for showing us who is the very, very best from the most powerful nation in the world. The high ethical and moral standards in his business and private life stand as an example for the rest of the world. We are humbled by this great man. There was this misconception that only Africa can produce rulers with these qualities. We are no longer alone. We are in awe. Bugger the west with their outdated perception of leadership. Welcome America
Jesus fucking Christ. I didn't want this (as my posting record will certainly show), but there is that smug desire to wag fingers and say I told you, isn't there?
The moment Brexit happened, I strongly suspected Trump was headed for the White House. Two completely unrelated things, you say? Not at all. The point is this: Project Fear has run its course. If you tell people "Oh No, if you don't vote for the status quo, warts and all, things will get so so bad!", they will be inclined to tell you to go fuck yourself up an ass with a cactus. And if the Brits were willing to do that, for fuck's sake, Americans surely were as well.
Should I say it? Does it need to be said? Bernie could have won, easily. Probably a dozen others could've done the same. I personally think Biden could've easily won because the man is not a phony. Elizabeth Warren might have easily won too; I'm not sure. For millennia, people haven been bitching thatpoliticians are phony and yet it's somehow impossible to elect someone who isn't phony. Guess what? It's not impossible. Now, in this case I'm pretty sure people settled on a rank phony-ness of a much different sort, a non-standard phonyness over the standard one, but...
But Jesus fucking Christ, all of this dumb shit about racism and sexism... all of these red herrings that NO ONE on the fence gave a crap about after the man gave you a mountain of potent ammunition to use against him. Scream and scream and scream hysterically at us if we don't agree he's "orange Hitler". No, no he's not Hitler or a racist, obviously fucking not. He's an airhead who barely pays attention to what he's even saying, a sycophant, a man who was a registered Democrat not that long ago, someone who was able to broach a few important topics that no one else was willing to broach, even if he make a complete mess if it every time he tried to talk sense. Just broaching the topic was enough.
Instead of a curse, I'll try to end with a blessing:
May the old guard of the Republicans finally disintegrate entirely, may the evangelicals slowly grow quiet and chasten with the realization that genitalia-centered regulation and shaming is no longer going to be a priority in this country, may the alt-right toss out its more vile elements and turn into something that's actually worth listening to now and then, and may the left in this country grow the fuck up and realize that merely being less anti-intellectual and more "moderate" (especially compared to the left in other Western democracies) is not enough.
This wasn't the way to do it; definitely wasn't the smart way to do it, and I risk spraining my neck from shaking my head but at the same time... alone in the kitchen, coming in for a quick snack but then finding myself pacing absentmindedly and staring at the ceiling... I have to admit cracking a smile or three. Moronic and foot-shooting as this whole thing has been, it does give me a little bit of hope. If reasonableness fails against cynicism, I guess stupidity and bombast can sometimes carry the day, for whatever Pyrrhic victory that's worth.
Now let's just hope we can all survive the next four years.
I really am.
To survive such a powerful stream of filth from massmedia, and to win in landslide.... He is the man, he rocks! True Mr. ImPerfect....
Also... sort of... shame on that arrogant MINORITY who treat MAJORITY of the country as deplorables, sexists, misogynists, racists, xenophobes.
Proof at last that most Americans are dumb. I pity those of you who didn't vote for him.
she couldn't make it stick. She couldn't make anything stick because she's got no charisma (I'm too tired to come up with a witty joke here).
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We need more popcorn, this is more interesting than our own politics.
Love from Australia.
he has a very real agenda and it was made clear early on that he'd be running the show behind the scenes, not Trump.
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Don't be daft and lie to yourself that Trump won because America is overwhelmingly populated by misogynists, homophobes, racists, and xenophobes.
He won because he spoke up on behalf of the workers who lost their jobs to outsourcing, due to free trade deals and H1-B1 programs and illegal immigration that favor big business at the expense of the middle class. Clinton pretty much openly pledged her allegiance to Wall Street, so those desperate for work already made up their minds.
That's definitely the biggest issue. There's also the fact that the Democrats are still supporting Planned Parenthood even though they've been caught multiple times illegally selling baby carcases to maximize their profits and not reporting ongoing sexual abuse, and the fact that Clinton's the war hawkiest war hawk in recent memory and people don't much like having America bombing every country it can get its grubby hands on. But hey, keep telling yourself that it's because everybody else is so uneducated and votes out of fear. I'm sure Trump won't win his reelection off of your same mistakes.
The DNC's failure started long before that, they should not have attempted a coronation.
This year's Democrat primary was truly weird, no Presidential incumbent but only a single prominent Democrat running? How the hell did that happen? It should have been a crowded field like 2008. Somehow the party machine convinced other prominent Democrats to stay out of the race, "it was her turn". There was one token opponent who mostly said he largely agreed with her and that she would be a good President. And there was the Independent running as a Democrat, a party outsider, Bernie.
It should have been a crowded Democratic primary field like 2008 and a more viable candidate emerging like in 2008. But that didn't work out for the party machine's preferred candidate last time did it, so they worked to avoid that same mistake and essentially ran here "unopposed" in the primary. The shock of Bernie doing so well should have told them something, but no, "it was her turn".
[sarcasm] DNC, thank you for Trump. You found the one candidate he could beat [/sarcasm].
Every year a few African countries try exactly that. The resulting genocides usually don't make it on to American TV because of the lack of oil. But since you seem to be able to use the internet, you should also be able to find ample precedence.
In order for democracy to work well, we need a strong middle-class. The middle-class in America is not doing well and poverty is rising. It was only a matter of time until a populist would come along and take advantage of this trend. If you look at democracy in many third-world countries, populism is often the norm. We better get used to it.
It also did not help that all that hopey-changey stuff turned out to be smoke and mirrors.
You can move to Sweden english is not a problem here, I don't know how fast you can become a citizen. But a friend, who has been living here for 7 years, applied directly after Brexit and got it this october. Getting an appartment is kind of hard.
So he won.
It is possible for an outsider to win the election.
Can we now stop talking about the 'Main Stream Media'-conspiracies?
And the 'they will never let him win' sentiment?
And all the bullshit about "them" manipulating and creating unfair elections?
Apparently media is not so 'liberal' or at the very least doesn't have the 'major' influence people say it does.
Fox News, Breitbart, et al., also own a large part of the pie of the main-stream media.
I don't know how, but we need to go forwards so we can discuss on a common basis of understanding again.
Instead of living in different bubbles because "you can't trust the liberal Main Stream Media" and secret 'powers'.
The economy is doomed. DumbFuckAmerica has elected a moron as president. Step forward to collect your prize. Recession.
Operationalizing the Strategy Pied Piper Candidates ... but this is exactly the way Hitler came to power.
I'm not saying Trump is like Hitler - in terms of evil & fascist Hitler, Himmler and Co. are completely off the charts - but what I'm saying is, that this is the strategy that failed in the Weimar Republic and brought Hitler to power. The fat-cats thought they could use his mouth and controll him. They were wrong.
I hope Trump turns halfway normal after passing this racket they call US elections. I have to admit, it *is* impressive the way he pulled it off against quite a few odds and our intellectual delusions about how things should be.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
I hope the mess, la pagaille, die Schweinerei which the Clintons created in Eurasia will be sorted out by Donald and some semblance of normality returns.
On the plus side, the position of first female president of the USA remains open for someone who deserves the title. Elizabeth Warren perhaps, or Michelle Obama.
This election was just like the Arab spring. Take the information monopoly out of the hands of the biased elites and use social media to reach everyone with the real message.
They did their best to sabotage him but Twitter and Facebook are the main reasons for the Trump victory.
lucm, indeed.
1. Barbra Streisand 2. Bryan Cranston 3. Miley Cyrus 4. Lena Dunham 5. Amy Schumer 6. Jon Stewart 7. Cher 8. Chelsea Handler 9. Samuel L. Jackson 10. Whoopi Goldberg 11. Neve Campbell 12. Keegan-Michael Key 13. George Lopez 14. Ne-Yo 15. Rev. Al Sharpton 16. Raven-Symoné
Don't let the door hit your rears on the way out you babies!
Hopefully Ellen Pao will join them.
lucm, indeed.
Moore's law in action. 8 years of inaction by Obama left many American's feeling left out of recovery. That pent up anger showed up in the election with momentum not seen in a long time to reverse the path that Obama put America on. I myself support that change but I also commend Trump in his victory speech that he is already trying to mend the division and bring all American's into prosperity. Given the Republican retention of House and Senate he has the tools hopefully to give us all more that a 2% growth and make us more than the laughing stock of the world. I'm glad Clinton didn't win, because woman need a better first President than her to represent woman. To think that Trump defied all odds, media smear and his inexperience to represent America means he has some sense of what it takes to succeed. As a American I wish him well and much success!
Ding Dong! The Witch is Dead!
Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!
I'll try not to get sick or join the military during that time.
Scott Adams on Trump:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1...
All you U.S.A. people always say that you have your guns so that you can overthrow the government in case of need.
Not you have a racist, sexist, liar, xenofobic president, who wants to build walls and takes back his word as soon as it leaves his mouth.
So.... When will it be enough?
Obviously it was a correct election, but I'm wondering. What's the bar for the uprising you all hold so dear?
My guess is the bar is no lower than "evil alien overlord", but I'm not sure whether it's a good thing or not...
Such as, how much do Trump's people know about the energy situation. Trump himself has said some good things, like finally opening the Shoreham nuclear plant, but during the campaign he promoted coal, everyone's least favorite energy source, and ducked a question about opening Yucca Mountain. At least we'll get the Dakota Access Pipeline finished now, and probably as part of a specific push for energy independence.
My predictions:
Home politics
- say goodbye to collective medical insurance
- prepare for a radical right-wing supreme justice
- prepare for a tax system that's even more favourable for the rich, expect inequality in income net worth to increase sharply
- expect tax rises on the middle class to fill budgetary holes
- prepare for really stupid (and non-functional) "trickle down" economic policies
- prepare for an increase in racism and gender discrimination in society
- expect the education system to get worse
- expect environmental protection laws and oversight to be gutted
Foreign policy
- prepare for disastrously stupid and venal politics in Iraq and Syria, including the targeting of innocent civilians to get one or two terrorists
- prepare for extended US military commitment in Iraq, Syria
- prepare for major loss of US influence, partners, and significance in Asia
- prepare for disastrous policy with respect to China, probably leading to a trade war the US is going to lose, perhaps the start of a major military conflict in Asia
- prepare to lose big in geopolitical manoeuvring against a wily and resurgent Russia due to terminally stupid policies
Did I miss anything? Probably. I have total confidence in President Trump to exceed expectations on the above list.
Yup. Bernie could have won against Trump. Biden could have won against Trump (although I understand the issue there is he didn't really want to run.) I even think Elizabeth Warren could have won against Trump.
Virtualy any serious (or indeed unserious) person willing to project a a sensible anti-establishment persona, and not say the kind stupid horseshirt Trump has said, and also not be trailing decades of sordid little establishment-class skeletons like Hillary... I tend to believe any of those people could have beaten Trump. We wanted a person in charge for a change; the democratic establishment instead gave us a lizard. One of the more reptilian lizards to saunter by in a while, really.
And so people voted for the blabbering airhead instead of the lizard. People of or for the left: please learn your lesson. Reform politics. Create an "alt-left"... or just continue down your current path, keep making your token snide remarks and behold as the right destroys everything.
That sums it up.
So, what you're essentially saying is that you want the US to turn into a full-on plutocracy in which one will simply die without a job/income? And this at a time where menial jobs are fast disappearing because automation and machines are fast becoming more effective than human workers? And at the same time you want to make sure getting education becomes more difficult if not altogether impossible for people who cannot afford to take massive debt.
Do you understand what life under such a system would actually be like? It would essentially destroy any social mobility that you guys have left and mean that anyone born into a poor/uneducated family would permanently stay that way.
If this is the direction you guys want to be heading to, I'm doubly glad I'm not american, that's just lunacy.
"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
2 things
1 - a large swath of the population can smell out the political correctness relentlessly bombarded on them, that the emperor doesn't have new clothes.
2 - lots of people don't like all those wise guys ganging up on an underdog.
the republicans will control all branches. It will be interesting to see what they do with that power in the upcoming years.
"Interesting" is the wrong word. Terrifying is closer to the mark. I'm incredibly disappointed in my country for electing such a pathetic excuse for a human to run the country without any opposition to hold him in check.
With all sincerity, next time, yes, vote your conscious. I, a white male small-el libertarian, voted for Jill Stein, and will get shit for it.
You should get shit for it because you know (or should know) that you effectively handed your vote to someone else. There was ZERO chance of Jill Stein getting elected. Nobody will give a shit about whatever "statement" you were clumsily trying to make. Unless our voting system changes (scant chance of that) then any vote for someone other than one of the major party candidates is essentially the same as not voting at all. You effectively decided to let someone else choose the president. You have the right to vote for whoever you like best but you are idiotic for exercising that right in plain denial of the reality of the situation.
Women don't need "their turn" they're perfectly capable of competing for top jobs.
Really? How many women are CEOs of Fortune 500 companies? How many women have been president? Vice president? How is it that over half the population is women and yet they account for only 20% of congress? If you honestly think it is a level playing field then you are either delusional or sexist.
rexit remorse will set in quickly and a D wave will flow into Congress in 2018.
I'm more concerned about 2020 because that election is the one that will determine who gets to gerrymander the congressional seats for the next 10 years. The reason the republicans control congress right now is largely thanks to the results of the 2010 election.
The next time you see someone write hateful things towards black or brown people, before you label them "racists," perhaps you should ask yourself if this is really about race.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why evil, evil white people don't seem to have that much of a problem with eastern races, aka "yellow" people. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you don't see eastern-based ghettos or enclaves riddled with crime, violence and single mothers. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you don't see eastern communities with most of its population uneducated or unemployed or both. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you don't see "yellow" artists making music that glorifies drugs, violence, crime, hate, extreme sexism and all sorts of vulgarity. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you don't see easterners crossing borders at their leisure and bringing their culture of enemy gangs and prison lore, establishing "barrios" and refusing to learn the local language. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you don't see easterners practicing and imposing some crazy religion where the most vulnerable people are beaten, stoned, beheaded or otherwise executed even for remarkably trivial crimes -- assuming all of those can be deemed crimes at all. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you don't see easterners enforcing rigid, enslaving castes, throwing corpses into a river then bathing or even drinking from that same water. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you don't see easterners tugging on the white man's sleeve all the fucking time to demand a piece of this and a piece of that. Perhaps you should ask yourself why you see so many black and brown people expressing hate for the white man all the while constantly moving into white man's territory, always going wherever the white man is, but extremely less often the other way around.
Perhaps by now you should have realized that it's not really races, but it's certain cultures that stink, and ruin the better cultures that have the misfortune of being exposed to them. And there are races that carry those shitty cultures with them. Perhaps you should face the fact that there are people in the world who are treated as inferior because that is exactly what they are, and they can change that about themselves if they really want to.
Perhaps you should ask yourself if it isn't high time you came up with some other dirty, rotten ruse to manipulate and exploit the people you love to say you hate instead of staying in your goddamn place or at least bringing some valuable contribution to the countries and societies you keep trying to change to make them look like the ones you leave behind instead of embracing them the way they were since that is the way you fell in love with them anyway.
Because times are changing and your usual lies and little victim games are not working anymore.
Try and make me feel guilty all you want. You will be ignored. You are worthless and we both know it although you will never admit it or take on the task of changing yourself for the sake of your own improvement.
Enough is enough.
Very sincerely,
Fuck you. Fuck you very much.
The North Atlantic Treaty Alliance which has contained Russian expansion for such a long time is about to end. Eastern Europe and perhaps even Germany will be lost. Isreal my be providing more warm water ports to Russia as well.
Shortly after taking office Trump should pardon Clinton. This will make him look magnanimous and further taint Clinton in case she still has political ambitions.
It's gonna be Not Very Fun At All to be a illegal alien in the US for the next couple of years.
As if it's been nothing but roses and daisies up until now...
What actual evidence do you have that Trump will attack minorities?
His comments about latinos. His history of discrimination against blacks. His comments about muslims. His support of white supremacists.
The DNC/Democrats were nothing more than a boil needing a good lancing.
Note the scene where the criminals pay for a good lawyer and the state does not want to go against people with money.
It's the future in the new Kingdom.
Can't blame me. I voted for the adult. Unfortunately the petulant man-child won (by a very narrow margin in the popular vote.)
There's not going to be a president Donald Trump, thats not going to happen.
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We offer shelter to political refugees. Doesn't matter if they are journalists from Turkey or Norhtern Americans.
We've always had one party. The Repubcrats and the Demolicans. The same people fund both of them. I don't see why everyone's upset.
Then you are well and truly clueless or you simply don't actually care.
passed Romney care which, although helping the poorest get something resembling crappy healthcare, has pretty much tied the middle class to the same shitty system they had before, except prices went up.
The prices were going up even more before the Affordable Care Act and had been going up for many years prior to it's passage, often by double digit percentages each year. Worse, millions of people were unable to get insurance outside of work before that act was passed. Furthermore losing your job typically meant losing health coverage which is absolutely criminal. Whatever flaws there are in the ACA the republicans have certainly shown zero interest in actually dealing with them or passing laws to make life better for the citizens of this country.
Trump is no better or worse than Hillary
I could not disagree more. He is FAR worse than Clinton in almost every possibly way that I could care about.
The last president that tried to change things in a meaningful way was shot to death in Dallas.
Poppycock. The Voting Rights Act, Head Start, Food Stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, The Civil Rights Act of 1968, the Freedom Of Information Act, the Wilderness Act, Americorps VISTA, and prohibiting age discrimination in employment all under the Johnson administration aren't meaningful attempts to change things? I could mention honest efforts to change things by most of the presidents that followed as well.
Only real loss there is Samuel L Jackson. Now he'll have to travel here to be a bad-ass in Hollywood movies.
I'm too lazy to compose a creative sig.
Trump is an arrogant ass, but seriously comparing him to one of the most evil mass-murderers in modern history demonstrates a lack of perspective, or at least a severe lack of faith in the people of the US, to think anyone would go along with such schemes.
You're talking about a country with a several hundred year history of slavery and oppression of minorities. It's not shocking AT ALL that scared white people would go along with such schemes. As any person who isn't white how comfortable they feel around police. Even Obama has been pulled over and harassed for no reason other than the color of his skin. I don't have ANY doubt that there is a huge percentage of the US population that would happily go along with schemes to deport or oppress minorities.
I'd hope that you can now understand the angst of conservative voters when President Obama won the last two elections.
You mean a bunch of bigoted white people concerned about a liberal black man holding actual power. Yeah I understand it but I'm not about to excuse their absolutely horrific behavior and blatant lies.
those of us who actually believe and support the Constitution of the United States of America have been a minority for some time and this Liberal Progressive President will be just like the others. We will survive him too.
Congrats to the POTUS elect and the first Concubine/Presidential consort.
Teh trouble is that people are under the delusion that Presidents can control the economy. And when people believe that nonsense, then they believe the nonsense that the President is also at fault for a bad economy.
And if I see a repeat of the 00s - the Republicans saddling this country with more debt - I will rub it in every Reps face.
but you can bet that the left will try to blame it on the Republicans.
Why not? The right blamed the Bush wars and all of the debt they racked up on Obama.
This election has proven to me how uninformed and stupid the electorate is. All of you are included in that - and you arrogant bastards fail to see it.
The seeds of the republic's destruction were sown in the 1910s by the Progressives: the States were expelled from Congress (Seventeenth Amendment), federal income tax instated, and Federal Reserve created, leading to inflationary monetary policies that impoverish savers and create asset bubbles. Someone like Trump is an unsurprising response to decades of unchecked statism and the rise of the managerial/bureaucratic class; by definition, such a class cannot constitute anything close to a numerical majority.
The people are mad as hell and are not going to take it anymore.
Now Trump will become head of the federal leviathan the Progressives created and Republicans failed to control. He will have unprecedented executive powers thanks to the COWARDLY failure of Congress to reign in G.W. Bush and Obama.
But I do feel some schadenfreude now that Progressives are talking about secession.
For years, I was called everything from a neo-Confederate to racist for advocating states' rights and secession (if needed) in response to the federal leviathan that spies on us, wages unconstitutional wars, and debases our currency. I was called backwards when I sounded the alarm against political and economic consolidation in D.C., about how it was always a conceit that such programs could work without destroying liberty in the process. A nation of 310+ million stretching from sea to shining sea should not be centrally managed from D.C. -- or anywhere. And now we have Donald Trump in the presidency. Great.
The REAL winners in this election? The ideas on which this republic was founded. Competitive sovereignty between the states. Limited federal government based on strict interpretation of enumerated powers. Congressional primacy (Article I > Article II). A president with less executive power. The rule of law. Separation of powers. Decentralization. Liberty.
Restore the republic, and you have less to fear from tyrants like Trump, Clinton, and the would-be Caesars who show up in 2020. This country was blessed to have one Cincinnatus in Washington, but we must always err on the side of prudence and never give into further political consolidation.
Trump is a fool and an asshole. But I'll be happy to see the H-1B abusing and job exporting parasite class poop their pants.
Hillary won the popular vote, so now Donald will be our second illegitimate president in less than 20 years. Electoral College system needs be removed.
"We need to get over this notion, that, for Apple to win... Microsoft must lose." - Steve Jobs, 1997
Call my travel agent! Tell him he's a rich man!
Are you trolling ?
I mean, you can't possibly be that stupid, can you ?
Ohhhh....American "libertarian" type....yes, you quite possibly could be that stupid.
Were you ever dropped on your head as a child ?
Trump carried pretty much every rural county in the country. Poor, uneducated, and whute definitely describes a lot of his support base
Beware of the white trash wave!
And of those who follow in their wake.
"Hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time, and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country."
Wow... I didn't think she'd be in jail this fast!
Fuck you
-The rest of the world.
Anyone BUT Hillary!
We all remember the Clinton Presidency and didn't want THAT again.
It wasn't a vote FOR Mr. Trump. It was a vote AGAINST Hillary.
when a disaster is coming and you do nothing to stop and mitigate it, it's your job to do something to stop and mitigate it and you ignore it on purpose then yes. Yes we will blame you. It won't make the resulting (completely unnecessary) human misery any less real...
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you and your agents merkel and clinton are without alternative. keep telling...
they got that from him. He also quieted down about tariffs. And deporting Mexican immigrants. About the only thing he held onto was that damn wall and throwing Hilary in jail. And he even started backtracking on the wall.
So yeah, he's been dancing just fine. He's an entertainer. We shouldn't be surprised.
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then you're probably fine. If you're relying on the Medicare expansion to get you access to low income insurance and/or subsidies yeah, you are screwed. I'm sorry man, we tried...
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Not only that, but they pushed hard (with dubious means as we found out) to have Clinton win the nomination, when she is probably the "Democrat" that Democrat voters themselves like the least. And "like the least" is a euphemism when many outright hate her. ALMOST ANYONE else would have had an easy time against Donald Trump, but no, they didn't want people like Bernie etc, Clinton was the DNC's favorite gal...
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I've ever read in my entire life.
Also I have a friend who's in the same boat. Obamacare saves millions of lives. Those people are going to die now. Whatever else any of us wants to believe one thing is true: either Trump lied about repealing Obamacare or Trump is going to be the death of these folks.
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Elected the Nazi party.
No one can spend in uncertainty at Christmas.
Global rebuke coming to markets.
You can say it - most of us voted for the other candidate.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
We elected Trump, not Johnson.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
A Business man or a Crooked liar
It's not a popularity contest, it about which will best serve my interests.
A write in vote may make you feel better but is still a wasted vote (without some kind of organized momentum).
So the best candidate won.
I wonder how much of that money Hillary will have to give back.
I wonder if the Donald will prosecute her.
I wonder if the Clinton foundation will have Donald killed.
Rick B.
is on inciting violence. Particularly and terrifyingly against the press. I guess it's more accurate to say he's the next Mussolini. But really, we're just splitting hairs at that point.
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Social Security: little chance of saving it. Retirees can live with their kids if they were unable to save enough. That is if they have kids, otherwise keep working.
Age Discrimination: no chance of Medicare expansion, healthcare is too expensive to hire older people.
Woman's right to choose: Overturning of Roe v Wade. Abortions will be illegal in many states. They will still happen, likely more abortions but they will be illegal.
Environment: Climate change aside, more pollution in our air, rivers & lakes. It's in the Republican Platform, read it.
Marriage equality
Outsourcing of jobs
Wage equality
Ran outa time, but the list goes on. The majority of the Trump voted fucked themselves & don't even know it . But don't worry, your guns are safe, like they ever were in any danger. Idiocracy was a documentary
SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT
What a historic day! I am tickled to death at the results of our great country's voter turnout. Now we need to get those 11,000,000 illegal aliens out of the country on a fast boat to any other country, build a mega-wall and smack a cute little cupcake on the rump. Ain't she just the prettiest thing? *chuckle*
... and statistics!
I voted for Trump. Not because the man is perfect, though he would help set back the Democrat Party agenda. I used to be a democrat, but I woke up and I no longer believe their lies. I am convinced that it is a totalitarian party which uses villification of racial groups, attacking its enemies with name calling like "racist" etc in order to expand its power and dupe the public. Indeed, many millenials have been hopelessly brainwashed on this matter. The usual narrative is that Republican hate minorities and want to oppress them. This is an outrageous and vicious lie of the evil and corrupt DNC. The Democratic party has had a hand in and wants to keep blacks in poverty and on welfare so that they can buy their welfare votes, rather than to improve their economic situation. Democrats have done almost nothing for blacks as far as improving their economic situation. In fact , Democrat party agendas such as mass immigration would throw black workers under the bus by flooding America with a third world invasion of cheap labor. Everything the Democratic Party does is to maintain and expand its power, including in addition through expanding the power of Government. Democrats calculate that they can get a totalitarian regime by flooding the country with third world alien populations, which in fact would devastate our black community. The democrat party does not care about the poor,, blacks , etc, all they are is tools to keep the party in power and the DNC makes sure that they remain economically depressed and that the poverty only grows so that they can then buy more votes with welfare. Hence, they want people to measure their kindness with how many welfare goodies they give out, rather than through protecting american jobs.
Many of these people as well cannot make the critical distinction between foreign aliens and American citizens. Foreign aliens have no right to be in this country,. It doesnt mean we do not like them, but the fact is the USA has a right to be a sovereign nation with popular sovereignty. The lies of the DNC can once again be seen that the DNC does not like Democracy unless it leads to the expansion of their own power, because by subverting the popular sovereignty of the American people, they can rig elections,. They are not willing to accept the verdict of the American people, becuase if Americans do not vote how they want, they bring in foreign aliens from totalitarian civilizations who will in order to move the USA towards a totalitarain model like Islam or China. Mass immigration eventually would destroy a country and its identity. The mass immigration is rooted in a contempt of Human diversity by globalist liberals like in the DNC. They know that by flooding countries with immigration invasions, its a weapon against races and nations they do not like, in order to eliminate human diversity, to make one country to look like the next by breaking borders. Borders actually protect diversity on this planet by preventing ethnicities and nations from being overrun by foreign invasions. Again, here the DNC and globalists have manipulated the population so everything is the percieved opposite of what it really is. The globalists want to destroy human diversity through mass immigration, because they hate it, but they cover it up by creating a false narrative that if you oppose immigration, it means you hate other people and other nations. This is a lie, and it must stop.
So, I am getting tired of the Democrat parties genocidal hatred and plans to wipe out our country and all of this crap they spew, the false accusations and so on. Sealing the borders will protect and improve the life of all Americans, including all of the minorities. We should do everything we can to improve opportunity for all Americans. Sealing the border is about respect for diversity on this planet by stopping this globalist agenda to erase the diversity of nations adn peoples on this planet through immigration invasions. And will protect all americans, not just one race or another. Our obligation is to the citizens of this countr
They are represented by their own government; the US is not a system where the top political slot goes to the party (or coalition) with the most seats in Parliament but one where the President is elected independently of Congress and Congressional seats are awarded by simple majorities.
The point at which in the US system you need to form the coalitions is on the party level, and you do it precisely to have a sufficiently broad base. This past cycle was one of those once-in-a-lifetime moments where a third party, if it'd been willing to make that coalition, could have set itself up to knock out one of the big two--this has happened, and used to happen a bit more often. (I don't think the Green party could have done it; the Libertarian party could have done it by actually being libertarian...)
Actually, I'm not too sure you understand how democratic systems work. You think the DNC actually gives a flying fuck about if their political opponents get represented? Despite the leaks of what the inner party thinks of both their external and internal opponents that happened this year? (It's not the first time, but it's remarkable how public they got about it this year. It probably drove up the Stay At Home & Green Parties' shares.)
I didn't see anything that looked like mass voting machine fraud yesterday (calibration and technical errors mostly). However, NOW is the time to:
1) Call a convention to get the states to normalize voting regulations.
2) Open source voting machines.
3) Provide voter ID cards with PHOTOS and CHIPS that store your recent votes (preventing both multiple voting and providing audibility for votes cast)
Just change the specs slightly. Not only going along the Mexico border, but also the West and East coast, and the Canadian border. And make it 200 km tall. With no exits.
Thank you.
A citizen of the rest of the world.
which is what is Trump going to have to do to get that second term? He's not likely to improve the economy. His policies might cause a depression if he actually does them. So what did Bush jr have that kept him in office?
War. A massive war that left folks wanting to stick with the guy already in power. I'm guessing we're off to war with Iran in the middle of year 3.
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Reminds me of when Kirk had the Klingon's over for dinner!!
Yeah me too. I know of 3 Trump voters, and all were for Bernie originally. I know of 4 more Bernie-or-busters that voted third party. You have it exactly perfectly right.
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
I am shocked at people assuming a Clinton victory. This has been a very volatile election and a significant polling error should have been expected.
There is only the illusion of choice. Trump knows or will learn that the only policy choice he has and the choice made by previous governments was to print trillions of dollars and force the rest of the world to buy them to buy oil. No oil producing nation will be allowed to sell oil in other than U.S. dollars. That's the sole function of the U.S. military.
Didn't see this coming but it looks like the republicans will control all branches. It will be interesting to see what they do with that power in the upcoming years.
Except that Trump is not your conventional Republican the way a Ted Cruz is: indeed, for the bulk of his life, he's been a Dem. So if he has a disagreement w/ the party - a party whose legislative part is still much under McConnell and Ryan, it's no big deal for him to reach across and form a coalition of his loyalists and like minded Dems. Particularly the ones up for re-election in 2018.
That's the whole thing about him being a transactional, rather than an ideological president. He can negotiate and cut deals that he believes would be a sweet spot for the country. How well that will execute remains to be seen.
Anyway, congratulations to him on a well earned victory. Particularly the way he broke the blue wall of WI, PA and maybe MI
... when they overturn Obamacare as I cannot afford drugs, medical services, and especially insurance despite a lifetime of work. Pray that you become rich as you cannot overcome the bankruptcy that medical will force upon you, and devastate the rest of your family. Or simply die in your sleep.
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I have always been amazed how so many people throughout the world vilified the US as evil. To be honest, I don't think the US is any more evil than any other country looking out for their own interest. Buy yesterday, the US electorate decided to give everyone the finger. You thought the US was an evil empire before, wait until you get a load of the new Trump America.
revolve around a gang rape scenario of Lady Liberty?
I've heard Hillary knows how to strap up and strap on...
And don't think for a minute that the Republican congress won't exploit Trump to get legislation passed. Narcissists are easy to manipulate; put their ego on the line and they can be goaded into anything.
Oh, yes, the Republican establishment has had such roaring success in making Donald dance to their tune so far.
And they will continue to fail, because Putin has already achieved domination of this man. In January we will become little more than another satellite of Russia. Our strength flowed from our diplomacy and alliances, not our military might. Watch as those alliances now crumble, our influence in the world fades much, much faster than it needed to, and our enemies make diplomatic and economic mincemeat of us. And that's the most optimistic scenario.
This is bad folks, and going into denial about it because we're powerless to change the outcome won't help.
Is silent no longer.
That is the only logical conclusion
20 million without health care - including me.
Medicaid -- gone in two years
Medicare -- gone in two years
Drilling in the Arctic Refuge - starts in the summer
20-40% tariffs with China, Japan, Canada, Mexico
Collapse of the Futures Market (down 200-700 points NOW)
Pull out of NATO - One yeare
Pull out of UN -- by the end of July.
You did it folks - all you redneck, sick, poor ignorant bastards.
If you are not white - rural - and white Your Life Does Not Matter
Really, now that somewhere in excess of 30% of people refuse to participate, and they botched this one so bad, will the people who hire these jerks now just go away? Yes, it appears that Clinton won the popular vote, but she didn't get 50%. I was one of the crowd who voted 3rd party, since the Dumbocrats and the Repugnicans couldn't nominate someone who could come up with a better campaign slogan than "The other party sucks worse."
I don't want any of these people in Canada, except Bryan Cranston and Jon Stewart
The Trump University scam alone is enough to impeach Trump and there are plenty more items that also justify impeachment. The ideal would be to impeach him before he takes office. The republicans practiced obstruction. It is now time for the democrats to amplify obstruction and make certain that the congress and senate accomplish absolutely nothing.
So many times one has to call baloney (or pick another word) on the polls the mainstream media uses. They do polls with people they know agree with them. I believe, as do others, they do this to try and influence opinion and behavior so people "go along with the crowd". In this case, it backfired. People who believed the polls but wanted someone else did not stay away from the polls. Instead, they disliked Hillary so much, they went to vote 'opponents' into Congress and Donald Trump into the Oval Office.
Had they taken more unbiased polls (which in the alternative media showed Hillary had no lead or very little a month ago), Trump may not have gotten the high majority Republican Congress he has now. The alternative media is causing a 'push back' effect as people look differently on the MS media's assessments and motives.
If they had been honest in their assessments, it may not have helped Hillary or saved her campaign. But had they been honest, the final result for the liberals, who MS Media supports (anyone with a brain can see that), would have been better.
I can't post on fivethirtyeight.com, because I will never have a facebook account with which to log in there.
So, I'll post here.
Nate Silver, there is only one thing to say. You're Fired. Whatever methods you are using are entirely wrong, and you should stop. Fivethirtyeight.com has been shown to be nothing but fantasy. As it happens, such fantasy may have compounded a false sense of security that Hillary Clinton should win. The next election season, there will be no reason to look at this site at all - for all the effort put forth, it's predictive value is zero... or less.
Nate is obviously not alone. I will never place any stock in any poll in the future.
All I can say here is ^This^.
"...it was a decisive demonstration of power by a largely overlooked coalition of mostly blue-collar white and working-class voters who felt that the promise of the United States had slipped their grasp amid decades of globalization and multiculturalism." This is what Clinton propaganda machine was not able to refute and skew obviously. Not that I am happy with the choice as president, even though I voted for him, he is the lesser of evil in today's political environment.
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Nonsense propaganda. It hasn't been done, it needs to be done and it is not a movie.
There's a reason for that. But hey, if you like the ultra-wealthy controlling everything and answering to no one, by all means enact your agenda.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
If the democrats learn a single lesson from this election, it's that:
Democracy is compromise.
Starting a negotiation with the premise (stated stridently and repeatedly) that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is a complete and utter fucking moron doesn't make you right. It makes people hate you.
-Styopa
"The people do not vote as we have decided for them to vote. We really cannot understand that they do not like the Dystopia our good folks Khodorkovsky, Dimon, Merkel, Nuland want to create. Really !!!!!!"
If you want to see how pu$$ie$ can fuck up a country, look at Germany. Merkel, von der Leyen are the most anti-patriotic asses you cam think of.
They care more about Israel and the Saudi Sand Nazis than the German people. You want that ???
Now you have a populist who will bring back the minimum wage (while such a thing exists) manufacturing jobs from China (great going Peter Navarro - and if you voted for Trump but have no idea who this is, you are part of the problem), at least until automation kicks you to the curb. "Blue-collar" workers have (best case) staved away their downward decline for a few years, while destroying any hope of a transition to a decent health care system and safety nets that they'll need in the coming decades.
If you seriously think the NY folks have your nation's best interest in mind, I feel deeply sorry for you.
They are destructive, clueless, megalomanic idiots who must be reigned in to. That was the whole point of electing Trump.
These bastards will use ANY ideology (including cheesy collectivism) or meme to further their short-term profit goals - even if this means selling out the last four crown jewels to the Chinese, who are run by patriots.
They cheated Sanders out of the Primaries and now you whine about it ? Contact a psychiatrist close to you for sanitation.
Here is the protip: Cheating does entail a serious cost sometimes. Also look up KARMA.
No one has won anything yet. The only votes that matter haven't been taken yet. If we're ever going to have an electoral college that doesn't vote according to their states' votes, this will be one of those times.
That doesn't answer why so many of the people coming here want to make it more like the place they left. That's why vetting is necessary, so that those types don't change the country. Vetting doesn't equate to "second class citizen" status; once you're approved and in, you're in.
I learned everything I know about superdelegates from the mainstream media during the early primaries. They explained in great detail how superdelegates affected the primaries and what the count was with and without superdelegates.
Just wait for North Korea to make there move
The dank memes prevail and we bathe in the salty tears of a thousand wailing cucks.
Donald Trump's victory is a much-needed wake up call to the elites of the USA and the wider world. Hillary Clinton remembered the affluent east and west coasts and forgot those in-between. Trump did not persuade voters; voters persuaded Trump to represent them. The orchestrated anti-Trump narrative in the media did not achieve the desired effect of promoting Clinton, who is popularly viewed as untrustworthy and corrupt.
The 'status quo' candidate representing the interests of high finance and corporations lost and the change candidate emerged victorious. The House, Senate and Presidency are all in Republican hands, thanks to the votes of people inhabiting cities and towns of the USA which have been in decline for decades due to a lethal combination of unhindered free trade, advancing technology, and outsourcing of labour. Millions of desperate people were left to drown by a disdainful elite, and would grasp any life raft offered; it was Trump who made that offer. Whether he'll follow through and actually help those left behind, only time will tell.
The U.S. election result is further evidence that the majority of the mass media lives in a self-perpetuated bubble, insulated from the harsh and grim realities ordinary people face every day. Huge frustration and discontentment in modern politics manifested in the UK with the Brexit vote to leave the European Union, and it is manifest in the U.S. Presidential election. In Bernie Sanders the Democratic Party had a more palatable populist, but preferred to nominate their Establishment candidate instead.
So they did...and so she lost.
People just didn't want this stuff in office. Hopefully Trump will be able to break the pedophile and child trafficing rings exposed by wikileaks. Saudis Arabia, Qatar and other donors to the CF are going to be deeply disappointed.
Bill Clinton's speaking fee is now $1 and doesn't cover security.
That is disconcerting, but remember overall Trump is a moderate, stubborn, and flip-flops.
If GOP believe they've just been handed a blank check, they don't know The Donald.
Where the GOP matches Trump, laws will pass. Where it doesn't match will turn into dramatic showdowns. The "Bully Pulpit" will be aptly named.
Get the popcorn, fireworks will fly...
Table-ized A.I.
After eight years of being racist, dissent is patriotic once again. Congratulations, America.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I am waiting for all the liberal actors that threatened to leave the country to finally leave. Not like Hollywood has produced a whole lot of new stuff recently anyway.
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The pumpkin spice of presidents.
We're tired of the liberal agenda. Why do we need 24 different genders? Obamacare is hurting both the working and middle classes. We're sick and fucking tired of Social Justice Warriors. We're sick and tired of cronyism and established families running the country.
I "like" the way that the person who is arguably the most "politically outside" candidate in many years was Elected by what is arguably one of the most "politically inside" of systems, the "Electoral College" in the "Free" World, in Direct Derogation of the so-called "Popular Vote" , (or as it is known in most other electoral systems, "the Vote", which Hillary won.
HEY! MOST OF US CAN ACTUALLY READ NOW... SO, IT IS HIGH-TIME FOR THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE TO GO!!!!
Sometime before the next election, get used to hearing "President Pence."
2018 should be a fun mid-term election.
We don't want any of your burnt out, has-been celebrities. You made 'em, you keep 'em.
Hillary is still ahead in the popular vote count by almost 200,000. That means Trump is poison to anyone who isn't a flaming racist and a total moron.
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Don't let the door hit your rears on the way out you babies!
Is this a new definition for the Streisand Effect coming up?
"Elong Munk"
Is that some kind of kinky toy?
Just another day in Paradise
I hope so!!!!
Before Obamacare, my monthly medical insurance was $154/month.
After Obamacare, $364/month and the insurance company has dropped plans in my state in 2017. I'm forced to switch providers and expect a 25% increase again.
I can't afford another democrat in office. THAT is the legacy I remember from the democrats - taking money and food directly from my family's mouth.
And my family is NOT better off than I was in 2007.
Sometimes you don't need complex socio-economic theories to solve a problem, you just need a wall.
There's nothing complex about it. There are more jobs here in the US than there are in Mexico so people come here to find work and feed their families. If there were plenty of jobs in Mexico then you wouldn't see much in the way of illegal immigration.
You shouldn't worry about people coming here to work. You should worry if they stop wanting to come here for work. That means something very bad has happened.
Britain slips down to number 2 in the stupidest country rankings.
That's because we played our Trump card... ahem...
Damned bigots who elected this vapid boor. For the security of our Nation and the sanctity of our governing processes, we need to see the Russian connection, the Christie connection, etc.
I had been saying the same thing to solve the conservative problem: Give the Conservatives all the (R) states and keep all the D states together. Trade citizens' deeds as needed to move R's to R territory and D's to D territory. Put up border crossings between the states and see how each side likes it without the other's presence.
Given the small popular margin by which Trump won(but large electoral college one!), and given the overall ideological division between the two sides in this, past, and future elections, segregating the country along political borders sounds like an excellent idea to me.
Sadly both sides are more concerned with controlling the other's actions and not enough with making the best country for their own likeminded constituents.
We get it, okay? You haven't been well served by the last 30 years of D.C. policy. You have been slowly squeezed and marginalized until you feel like the rest of the country has left you behind. You blame freer trade, progressive tax policy, an energy policy that puts the environment over jobs, political correctness, and maybe even the slow browning of America. You wanted something different. You wanted to burn the system down and start over.
Well, I guess that's what we're going to get. Trump is going to be president and, in all likelihood, he is going to take a sledgehammer to decades of status quo. He has two years to remake policy with hardly any obstacles in his way. It's time to count up all his promises, set up the score card, and see how he does. In four years we can tally up how we have done, with him as our President.
At least it won't be boring.
Stop blaming the DNC for making you vote on Trump. You made a conscious decision to vote for him. The world is a worse place because of it, but the people in the US are the ones who will suffer the most, because Trump doesn't care about anybody but himself. So...have fun with the the new cases at the supreme court, have fun with the lack of affordable health care, have fun with the loss of rights for every minority and have fun when your economy tanks.
This election was just like the Arab spring. Take the information monopoly out of the hands of the biased elites and use social media to reach everyone with the real message.
They did their best to sabotage him but Twitter and Facebook are the main reasons for the Trump victory.
Just what we need. Critical decisions about the future of the country made by the user base of fucking Twitter and Facebook. While we're at it, why don't we put our national monuments up for branding? I bet the Washington Monument would get renamed to Freedom Dildo, the Penatgon to Pain Sphincter, the White House to Trumpy McTrumpFace, and Air Force One to Mile High Pussy Wagon.
Devolution in action.
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No. The main reason is the appalling US education system, which is probably leading in the world in turning out ignorant idiots who are easy prey for someone pulling a 'Germany, 1933' on them. If people had known what happened back then they would instantly have recognized the pattern, and not voted for Trump.
I voted for Kodo
Neve campbell is canadian already. I believe she has a house outside toronto.
As a potential lottery winner, I totally support tax cuts for the wealthy
They did their best to sabotage him but Twitter and Facebook are the main reasons for the Trump victory.
I'd give Youtube credit too. Being able to bypass the corrupt media and view the source and make one's own judgement is powerful indeed.
A lot of Trump's supporters aren't going to be happy that he can't deliver on all the promises he made.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- HST
His economic plan's main advisors came up with the Plan that has all but ruined Kanas. If put in place for the entire United States, so much for roads, Natural disaster relief, schools, etc. or is that the plan to ruin everything so it can all be privatized and his cronies get to make profit off of public roads, disaster relief, social security, etc.
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Or due to Slashdot's Trumpism.
I am dismayed at the results of the election but if it gets rid of Al Sharpton, I consider it a wash.
This is payback for the Powell Memo and the implementation of policy built on its recommendations, which gave rise to many a pro-large-industry thinktanks and universities and the corruption of existing universities. Ultimately, these policies led us to where we are today.
Both sides share the blame. Enjoy the hangover, USA.. but this was a drink we desperately needed.
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
Um, no. The numbers are clear: Angry, uneducated whites (mostly men) over 45 are the reason. Facts are facts, and these facts come to you courtesy of the exit polls and the actual records themselves.
This election has demonstrated that policies are irrelevant. Agreed. Also:
This election has demonstrated that votes are irrelevant.
This election has demonstrated that taste is irrelevant.
This election has demonstrated that facts are irrelevant.
This election has demonstrated that the law is irrelevant.
This election has demonstrated that the MSM is irrelevant.
This election has demonstrated that principles, consistency, coherence, literacy, honesty, practicality and reality are all irrelevant.
It also demonstrated that Americans, in general, don't really deserve their "democracy", because they don't WANT to know what maintaining an active, functional democracy actually entails. Education, cooperation, compromise.
It's not surprising, because most of the common folk around the entire world don't want to know either, they just want to belong to a tribe and get more than the other guy next door. We're all terribly keen to assign such high motives to our fellow monkeys, and ourselves, but we've pretty much regressed since we all won our respective rights to participate in our own governments.
This election has demonstrated that the American political system is irrevocably FUCKED! ... get to and fix it.
So
Fix campaign finance first.
Eliminate the electoral college.
Remove riders when making new law.
Now you have a base you can move upwards from, otherwise your corruption will only deepen. Good luck. Please hurry up.
On a board where threads over H1B's and out-sourcing generate 500+ replies.
Yet, when disenfranchised citizens vote for Trump because they hear Hillary talking about bringing in more immigrants who will compete for jobs and wages or expanding trade that would, or already has done the same, we can't seem to understand it???
I hope liberals keep their vows and move to socialist mecca's like Havana and Beijing now.
This election was just like the Arab spring. Take the information monopoly out of the hands of the biased elites and use social media to reach everyone with the real message.
They did their best to sabotage him but Twitter and Facebook are the main reasons for the Trump victory.
That plus lack of critical thinking skills.
Trump won on platform, and was the only person putting forth any platform. Immigration reform and protecting the US/Mexico border was the first part of his speeches and people latched on. Politicians have barely paid those issues lip service in the last 40 years, let alone done anything to fix it. In fact many will argue that the Democrats want more of the same because it increases their voting base.
Trump actively questioned the decisions in keeping the US at war in the Middle East where thousands of US Soldiers have been killed and hundreds of thousands have suffered permanent disability. The President and Hillary planned and achieved massive destabilization in the Middle East and Africa. They failed to hold VA executives accountable for failures which have led to the suicides of thousands of vets and exacerbated health issues.
Trump actively discussed the unfair economics at play which has greatly increased wealth disparity in the US, the massive amounts of unemployment and underemployment, and massive reduction in the middle class.
Trump actively talked about media and political corruption, which was made very transparent despite the efforts of the people involved in corruption and holding power. Drain the Swamp should ring a bell.
Trump sending mean tweets was the only thing the media talked about, but people saw him talking and heard the messages on platform which the media happily ignored.
Compared to Hillary who wanted to do everything President Obama did but times 10. She only latched on to immigration because she saw how much she was losing and tried to pull base Democrats back to her side. Even then, like so many issues, people simply found no way to believe what she said she would do.
I have said for years that we were due for a soft revolution, and that is exactly what happened. I have posted numerous times that Trump has a great shot because the average American is fed up. If the soft revolution does not work, we will get to a hard revolution. As I have also said, we hope it does not need to get to that point. Democracy still works, and that fact alone has given a huge number of people hope. Corrupt cronies don't always win, and people's voices are still heard.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I can't wait to become a "breaker boy" with a few missing fingers, eating a rodent-hair sandwich during my non-existent lunch break in the middle of a 20 hour shift. Freedom!
OK, OK... they probably won't employ breaker boys. More like, I can't wait for the local water supply to become undrinkable without me knowing, the air to become unbreathable, and to slowly die of lung cancer that could have been cured if I could afford it.
Uneducated white males make the presidency their own reality show, while minorities like Blacks and Latinos, sit on their asses at home, because they are too lazy to vote. This is DumbFuckAmerica.
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The UK is to the east of the US, but I guess clowns don't know directions.
Your fault for poorly educating your son.
She isn't 'Mexican'. She is American, a US citizen (native born) according to your description.
You could call her American-Mexican (proper formulation with priority identification first.)
Of course if she IS Mexican, and rejects being a citizen (or legal resident) of the US, then perhaps, yes, she should leave the country.
democratic party principle: 'Rule of Law'
How about we apply that to all?
Cheer enough departures and you'll have encouraged capital flight. You alone will be left to deal with the economic consequences.
Between 2012 and 2015, the US population went up ~10 million. Yet the total number of ballots cast in the 2016 presidential election is about 6 million fewer than the total cast in 2012. Where did these voters go? Why didn't they vote? The margin between Trump and Clinton was around 200,000 votes nationally, or about 1/30th of the difference between 2012 and 2016.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
I voted Trump because it's about time someone got in the position to do something about all the broken crap in this country.
What was even better is he's not a politician.
I'm sick and tired of the politically correct crap being thrown by those who would vote for a woman just to see a woman get into office.
That's one of the worst things ever, and I bet every single one would deny seeing the truth because they're heads are so inflated.
I am crestfallen that Trump won. But, I am glad that Clinton lost.
Clinton was smug, sexist, evasive, secretive, clubby-cliquish, lacking in any vision, two-faced, with policies that adjusted random percentages of money flow. Her entourage is dominated by a bunch of conceited slimeballs. Hillaryites would dispute that, but they were blinded by faith.
Trump, on the other hand, is going to gut the good parts of EPA (not just the stupid CO_2 nonsense), allow mining in national parks, disenfranchise even more voters, kill net neutrality, cement corporations total control of our lives, create a surveillance/security state, and probably make the whole rest of the world so pissed at us that anything might happen. Even Putin will be sorry he helped him.
I voted for HRC, despite many losing policies that she pushed, like crazy global warming stuff, crazy transgender stuff, crazy immigration stuff, ineffective taxations stuff, because some of the things that Trump would do would be even worse. Hillary's self-righteous main campaign promise was that she wasn't Trump. Apparently, that was a selling point for Trump supporters.
Yeaaahhh! If the president doesn't pay them, I dont have to either!
I am going into $1bil of debt so I can be like Trump, that is how he got all the gold and didn't pay taxes.
Please send me all your money now. I'll pay you back when I am president.
The fact that this result was apparently a surprise is just more proof of how badly the mainstream media and their polls are so heavily biased towards the left.
Abortion IS forced on the victims.
Think about it.
I'm actually pro-abortion (not pro-choice but pro-abortion, I think we need more of them. But more humane options. Read about that bastard Kermit in Philly.)
Worst thing for global warming is more people. Why are the leftists promoting childcare, parental leave, etc. when what we really need to do is tell people who can't afford to have children not to?
"It's official: Donald Trump has won the 2016 presidential election."
No, it is not official. Contrary to popular belief, the US President is NOT elected by the people of the US. If s/he were, we would be talking about President-elect Hillary Clinton right now, as she has won the popular vote.
No, the US Citizenship does not elect its President. Instead, the President is elected by a board of elites called the electoral college. This group of hand-selected elites is carefully chosen to ensure the right people are elected. Why the "right" person is Donald Trump is beyond me, because Hillary actually won the election.
The board of electors does not meet to elect the President until December 19th. The President and Vice President are elected on separate ballots by the electors at that time.
We can only hope that the electors will see that Hillary actually won the election and vote for her instead.
No, don't blame the GOP. Blame the genocidal leftists who have been deliberately trying to destroy rural and blue collar cultures. People react poorly to genocide. You blaming the "God Mongers" is a learned response to a campaign to destroy religions that are part of the fabric of rural life. You champion the liberals who carry gun control as a banner in a time when violent crime has been dropping while gun laws have been liberalizing. Again, an assault against rural culture. And then you get surprised when a sold-out politician loses.
The folks who voted for Donald Trump will get exactly what they deserve. Unfortunately, I'll get what they deserve too.
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
... that they a building a giant wall and America is going to pay for it.
5 out of 6 people enjoy Russian Roulette & 6 out of 7 Dwarfs are not Happy
It was a choice between stage 4 cancer and foot fungus, and people have picked the curable disease.
The only reason it costs so much is because there's a drug import ban WHICH TRUMP EXPLICITLY PROMISED TO END.
I wonder
1. How many of these people will sell their houses and property in the USA?
2. How many other people who are less fortunate than they are will they pay moving expenses for so they too won't have to suffer the coming dark ages?
3. How many were lying?
I fully expect Trump to show them the middle finger on some of those reversals, if for no other reason than to have legislative leverage. Remember, most of them failed to bend the knee and endorse. Their relationship with the Trump administration will be strained at best, so it'll have to be a game of "give and take", not "I'll sign whatever you guys pass".
Trump's WIFE is an immigrant, and his campaign was run (successfully) by a woman. Can we stop with this "he's a xenophobe misogynist" bullshit? Being in favor of strong border security is in no way anti-immigrant. I say so as a naturalized citizen myself. Play by the rules, and you'll be fine.
So many of my friends are literally panicking. They seem to think that Trump is going to lead a cavalry of KKK members into every house and kill everyone today. Well, not really, but that's the way they're reacting. It's all hate and fear. I haven't heard any moderated response from my D friends.
The worst is all the posts from overnight where parents were saying "$YoungChild woke up multiple times screaming overnight, afraid of Trump." What the heck were you telling your child about Trump that would make them this afraid, and is that appropriate?
Depressing how little the popular vote matters.
Last night it was reported that "The official website for Citizen and Immigration Canada stopped working earlier this evening". However using Tor and IP location checks, I found that from countries other than the US, the Canadian immigration site was working perfectly. It seems the site was not crashing, it appears the Canadians engaged a firewall setting blocking to IP addresses associated to the US.
He hasn't won yet.
The votes cast on Nov 8 are not binding on all the Electoral College voters from all States. We won't know how that official vote to choose the President goes until those votes are cast on Dec 19th.
Just saying
Glad to see Trump win. Salaries in our industry will go higher now with someone clamping down on H1B abuse and offshoring , which has destroyed many sectors of our economy for the past 20 years.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/
Thanks US...thanks a lot!
The media pisses me off. It's not just white blue collar workers. it's Engineers with degrees as well. Why ? Because of companies outsourcing our jobs overseas. Trump sees the big picture. The USA took Globalization too far. We put our jobs, our kids jobs, and thier kids jobs in jeopardy. American cars will be built better if they are manufactured 100% in the USA. The defective heads on the Pentastar 3.6L engine that were installed in 2011-2013 Wranglers were made in Mexico. The hemi... also a an issue.. they fail because they are made in Mexico. Volkswagen vehicles manufactured in Mexico had numerous electrical issues. If we want the USA to be great again we need to grow our GDP. Sure we can still be global but American companies should make goods in the USA and sell those goods abroad. Not locate the company globally and display American Workers. Most Citizens want to be productive.. we do not want handouts. Frankly I'm tired of the socialistic path our Country has been on. We should have an open market healthcare system that is prohibited from rejecting and overcharging people with preexisting conditions. A model to follow is Massachuetts before Obamacare. I live in Massachusetts.
The problem with ObamaCare is the health plan I have from my employer will be subject to tax next year under obamacare. That's bullshit.
What the Feds should do is grant tax breaks to health insurance companies that bail out cancer patients and individuals with severe issue go over their caps.
free market will get health care costs down.
also need to put limits on Dr, malpractice insurance premiums.
we need to figure out where to draw the line.
" as the first woman president." ;-)
=> as the first US woman president
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Big Data programmed this.
Now we just need to replace the house with the cast of the bachelor and the senate with the cast of the real world. Then it is on to replacing the Supremes with the judges from America's got talent and American Idol.
Dear Rural America,
OK, we heard you loud and clear; you're hurting. You feel left out, left behind, and disenfranchised. You're drowning in the rising tide that didn't lift all boats after all, but swamped yours instead. Manufacturing, gone away across the border. Mining, gone away entirely. Farming, just a mega-conglomerate's game.
So in your anger and your pain, you followed a voice that promised to bring it all back, promised to break the system, and it appears that you didn't much care what happened after that. You sure showed them all! Now you've gotten your wish, and elected someone who will truly break the system. Congratulations.
Only, be careful what you wish for. The genie you've summoned out of that lamp doesn't really care what you need or want, and never did care about anything but Number One. There's no point in expecting him to act any differently now than he always has. When he breaks every promise, and the only interest he serves is self-interest, do not be surprised; it's only what he's been doing all along, and it hasn't exactly been a secret. There were certainly voices to warn you.
So, when the budget deficit explodes and that golden age doesn't come back; and trade wars raise prices, start another recession, and even more of your jobs are lost; and the rich just keep on getting richer from those tax cuts instead of creating jobs for you, while you keep on getting poorer; and the allies we've abandoned leave us in time of crisis in return for deserting them; and Russia and China take advantage of our international isolation to snatch territory and power; and ISIS turns out not to be such a pushover after all; and that wall in front of Mexico turns out to be a pointless waste of money; and your schools, Social Security, Medicare, food assistance, and social programs are all slashed to ribbons because we need all the money we have left just to buy more guns; and you can no longer afford even what little health care you once had; and you discover that in the end you're even worse off than before; then, my dear, foolish, gullible fellow citizens, you will no longer be able to blame "the system" and "Washington insiders" for the terrible mess that you helped create. It will be on you, who could have chosen more wisely but instead chose to be easily led to act against your own interests.
But on reflection, no; you'll probably go on blaming all of the usual scapegoats just like before. Perhaps we really do get the government we deserve; it's a terrible shame for us to deserve this one.
"My strength is as the strength of ten men, for I am wired to the eyeballs on espresso."
Has anyone who said that, in any election, ever actually followed through?
That's normal: some things go up, some go down.
Manufactured goods have been consistently dropping or flat-lining per inflation.
Housing and medical care have traditionally been rising over time. Housing because population increases yet factories cannot make new land (although Japan & China are trying).
Medical rises because it's still labor-intensive in a hard-to-outsource way, and new treatments keep coming. In that past where people would just die, there are now treatments, but they are expensive.
College is growing more expensive because a college education is almost a necessity to avoid being poor, as manufacturing and warehouse jobs are offshored or automated. Bernie was right about college being the new high-school. More demand usually means higher prices, at least for a while.
Stocks and bonds are different animals than consumer products such that I won't consider them here.
Average inflation has been sub-par. I'd like to see Helicopter Money theory tried, at least incrementally. It might just work.
Table-ized A.I.
I would have preferred to suffer through 4 years of Sanders, but at least with Trump we are less likely to die during 4 years of SoS Clinton. Thanks for that, USA.
There are two silver linings about Trump winning.
a) If trump hadn't run, the ticket would've been Ted Cruz, and that's even worse. You think trump is bad....
b) Trump will suppress feminism, and modern feminism is a cancer. He'll do it in a crappy way; because he's a misogynist, but, while he's a misogynist, Hillary is a misandrist. I'd pick misogyny over misandry these days. (For example, "misandrist" shows up as a misspelling as I'm typing here, but "misogynist" doesn't.) The world could use fixing when it comes to sexism and gender equality.
When all you've had on display has been rank hypocrisy, double standards, a complete lack of principles, and an utter disregard for the truth, this is what happens. You DNC surrogates and the right-wing establishment created a political environment so toxic that an honest and intellectual leader doesn't have a chance, and ensured the rise of Trump since it would take someone like him to beat you at your own game.
Take Elizabeth Warren, for example. She was supposed to be a champion for wall st. reform after no justice was served after the 2008 meltdown, but she turned her back on Sanders and left him to wither on the vine, so she could align herself with the same HRC that refused to release transcripts of her Goldman Sachs speeches. Then even Sanders, rather than leave the party and run as an independent when proof of DNC's treachery emerged, fell in line and expected his followers to undergo a complete 180 turn as well. The cognitive dissonance was so thick you could cut it with a knife, but we were supposed to be good little sheeple and swallow what we're given and be told what to think. Because Trump.
All the accusations of Trump's sexism, while supporting someone based purely on her gender, who happens to be the same person who persecuted female victims of her spouse's sexual harrassment: pure hypocrisy
All the accusations of Trump's racism, while rallying around racist groups like BLM and the president himself deliberately fanning the flames of racial tension to the point where police were being ambushed and murdered. Hypocrisy. Where normal rules don't apply for a certain people south of the border, and they get to enjoy a double standard on immigration while the rest of the world gets in line. Hypocrisy.
All the accusations of xenophobia, as we watch France post military on their street corners and gay nightclubs become the scene of massacres. Where there is self-censoring of any criticism of one particular group, and treating it with special consideration out of fear of inciting violence to the point of being unable to call a spade a spade, while in the next breath condemning as bigoted those who do criticize and raise objects to the mass importation. Hypocrisy. Being told to welcome the intolerant with open arms, even as mass-murders show up to free speech events in our own country:
All the accusations of being a war monger and having a disastrous foreign policy leading to WW3, even as we witness the rise of ISIS and a proxy war in Syria with Russia, a foreign policy disaster that can be placed at the feet of Obama and HRC: more hypocrisy.
The first clue Trump would win should have been the Americans that stood in the way of Harry Reid's corruption by refusing to go quietly to their 'free speech' fenced pen in the middle of the desert. Rather, they had an armed confrontation with overbearing authorty that did not represent them. They were called traitors and domestic terrorists and Y'all Queda, at a time when many people already feel strongly that the government does not represent their interests. Someone who drinks the kool-aid may not be able to understand this, but Trump isn't nearly as repulsive as the hypocrisy surrounding those that denigrate him.
That's why the voters decided otherwise. Nobody wants Obama back just like nobody wants GW Bush back. We are not a nation of losers.
I said it ten years ago, I'll say it again here for those who weren't present:
Let the Republicans have EVERYTHING they want. Everything. Repeal Roe v. Wade, lax gun laws, defund the CDC/EPA/etc, religion in schools, everything... let them see how their little experiment goes. Then again, other countries have let those things happen to their people, and the rich/corrupt simply turn a blind eye.
Are they just that detached, or are they using all this as a stick to try and get what they want for their districts/careers? Let the baby get at the fire, it must learn to understand and respect it. I don't want to be caught in it, but if that's what must happen to bring some semblance of sanity to our country, if it's really come to this, then so be it...
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Don't you get it? The whole government/media democrat machine has been outed and destroyed. Don't be surprised if when you move.....your neighbors don't really want to be friends with you.
For 8 years, lots of good people have had to put up with the worst of Obama/Democrat/Media. That will not be soon forgotten.
See subject: LMAO @ U Soros (puppetmaster behind Clinton w/ banker SLIME! Mainstream media mass mind manipulation games are OVER (& the results prove it...)).
* All these "this will be 'bad' under trump" stories on /. especially from LOSER TECHNICA? Please... lol, give up, losers!
By the way: President WHO, losers?
Folks have had QUITE ENOUGH of easily seen thru "mass-media manipulation" games... too bad those morons will have to realize it doesn't WORK anymore (due to the internet itself - they can't OWN & CONTROL every single outlet of information...)
Wait until I get downmodded for telling the truth (almost guaranteed) "SOROS CRONY DRIVEN 'DAMAGE CONTROL'" TRYING TO DOWNMOD "HIDE" THE TRUTH OF THIS POST!
It's all they KNOW how to do, hiding truths. That is part of HOW & WHY they lost, lol...
APK
P.S.=> By the way? Yes, I am LAUGHING @ the "cronies & sychophants" of "SOROS" the wannabe God also (who LITERALLY said he was God himself & that he wants to destroy the USA (fucker even LED HIS OWN JEW PEOPLE INTO HITLER'S CAMP'S FOR PETE'S SAKE so what EXACTLY makes you *think* he wouldn't do that to the USA which he IS out to do, admittedly? (talk turncoat traitor))... apk
>Hillary Clinton addressed the nation this morning and told her supporters that they all should keep an open mind and give Trump the chance to lead.
That's part of her & Obama's problem; They're saying "Give the other person a chance." while the other person is making plans to ensure that neither Obama nor Clinton have a chance to begin with. And the angry cheetio wasn't even going to concede a loss if if he lost the election.
You can't keep rolling over every time the bullies like Trump and Ryan kick you--fuck'n losers.
Looks like Clinton had more voters in her favor and still loses. As happened when George W Bush won the presidency.
I'm not American, but if I lived in California, a landslide victory state in favour of Clinton, I would be disappointed that my vote doesn't really count. If I wanted Clinton to win and my State's already voting that way, I can't do anything to affect the balance of the closer tied states.
The USA is the country that talks about democracy the most, but the system is pretty far from a true democracy.
Sure, the votes were close, but I'm sure I could construct a scenario where a presidential candidate could get a large majority of votes, especially in the most populous states and still lose the election.
Where would they go? Americans seem to think that their nationality is enough to give them permanent residence anywhere in the world, when the reality is that nobody wants ya.
The very serious recession is on its way, and it is due to the actions of GW Bush, and BH Obama who piled on sooo much debt.
I for one, absolutely cannot wait for the day of reckoning to finally happen.
We've delayed it long enough.
Trump 2016
Anti-trumpers have been wrong from the beginning about the polls, about him being unable to win, etc... They were living under illusion and they're a bunch of cry babies.
Please don't believe what an anti-Trumper says anymore. We know he will be a great president, the best in US history. Also, the other Republicans will work with him, they're thankful that he got the Senate back for them. Conservatism is alive and well again because of Trump.
So much butthurt.
Why is the little symbol up top of a donkey? Is it for the popular vote, not the winner?
This election was just like the Arab spring. Take the information monopoly out of the hands of the biased elites and use social media to reach everyone with the real message.
They did their best to sabotage him but Twitter and Facebook are the main reasons for the Trump victory.
And that there are enough idiots out there (including many of my relations) that blindly believe anything posted on redconservativebreitbartfoxtruth.com
We got two months to teach Toonces to drive before we're all getting in the car.
Take off, every Hoser
The ever-prescient Chunk tells it like it is.
We MUST change the Presidential election to instant-runoff voting (ranked voting), this is the only way we can more then two parties.
Hitler will make Germany great again.
Same spiel, different times, the sub-classes gets a "voice".
Promoting Hillary to the front row was not a sure bet, she has a lot of things going against her right off the bat: she's a woman, (many votes lost right there, 5%?), Bengazi, she has a bad reputation of mistreating employees, Clinton stigma is not a plus with a history of dirt, email shit, whether true or not. She's clearly a Wall street shill for status quo. Political contributions from Big everything.
Nobody likes change but Trumpf will make a difference, likely a disaster worse than Bush 2. I'm expecting the worst the next 4 years.
Blame the media and the "democratic" party.
We're fucked.
Maybe we'll get lucky and The Donald will stumble into accidental prosperity via a Broken Windows Stimulus.
He'll become the Jar Jar of presidents.
Table-ized A.I.
Such as Trump?
No it's called "democracy".
There's no requirement of being smart, well-informed or educated to vote. If you disagree with this, you may want to move to a country more suited to your preferences, like North Korea; the riffraff has no say in how the country is run there, you'd love it.
lucm, indeed.
Ah yes, the Germany 1933 approach. Like disrupting political meetings of the other party, using biased medias to brainwash the masses, taking business owners hostages if they don't force their network to join the "right" party, using corrupt party officials to promote a specific candidate...
oh wait that's what the *Democrats* did. I guess we just avoided a fourth Reich in America, thanks to Trump.
lucm, indeed.
The boom came later.
So a recovery could make trump look more Reaganesque.
Lawrence Person (lawrencepersonh@gmailh.com (remove all "h"s to mail)
http://www.lawrenceperson.com/
I'm a huge fan of your anti-RIAA work.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
One small step at a time.
Whilst the globalist agenda runs, there's no hope for the environment anyway.
If the Don makes good on his promises and clears out the dead wood, then the next person can actually get in and do the work of fixing up. It'll be shit(ter) for a few years, but do you honestly think that the Ds would magically call a halt to all the projects currently running?
Do you think they would stop all the bombing and shooting and invading? There's no point planting trees and putting up windmills if you're just going to irresponsibly blow up stuff down the road and agitate other great powers into doing the same. A radioactive Moscow and New York doesn't do anyone or anything any good.
Play the long game. Hold your nose for a bit. The planet deserves it.
One party? Trump isn't a Republican, he just just happened to be the Republican nominate. Take off your media blinders
I'm trying to think back over history. Two interesting concepts that are currently in favor with different factions are Communism and Democracy. Neither works. The former cannot even be started without a despot involved. The latter leads to failures such as Greece, Thailand's "Democrazy", and other dramatic mistakes.
The US Constitutionally speaking is a Republic rather than a pure Democracy. I'd rather not go with a pure democracy. But, if I must then I'd demand that the election is not settled until one candidate has over 50% of the vote. So a runoff election between, in this case, Hillary and Trump with no third, fourth, or fifth party candidates involved is mandatory. I suspect the results might not be what the pure Democracy advocates are expecting. The third party candidates allowed people who just could not stomach voting for Hillary or Donald an outlet. For some reason they refused to vote for Hillary. For another reason they refused to vote for Donald. But, they did vote creating a higher vote count needed for a pure majority. If forced into the binary decision they might swallow bile and vote for the turd in the punch bowl rather than the as yet unindicted criminal who played fast and loose with US secrets, killed an ambassador for her convenience, and so forth.
But that's all a silly argument. It would require a Constitutional Amendment to make the change. And that's not gonna happen any time soon. The barriers an prospective amendment faces are very high compared to mere electoral college hurdles.
{^_^}
Apathetic and Insular
A ruthless lying psychopath
He is a Rightist
According to the info on the linked wiki page, this seems to be a decent guy which worked as "professional wrestler, actor, political commentator, author, naval veteran, and politician". He was elected Mayor of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota before running for governor, so he had political experience and was certainly not a joke candidate.
No one is actually going to move to Canada. Not in any significant numbers. Canada was there all the time. If it was so much better then people would be running there.
Many people forget that Japan is ALSO next door!
Is your "wannabe God" SOROS the puppetmaster of Hillary Clinton (who literally said he was God, a clear psychotic break, the ridiculous dried up old raisin) your master upset like you??
Yes.
Hilarious - He lost twice++ what the Trump campaign spent & STILL lost - why?
He's a filthy turncoat traitor to his OWN KIND in Jews who led them into Hitler's captivity & death (feels no remorse either like a TRUE psychopath) & LITERALLY SAID HE WANTED TO DESTROY THE USA also!
What EXACTLY makes you *think* that the "bird of a feather" in Hillary Clinton along w/ SOROS the ridiculous FOOL wouldn't do that to YOU when he's QUITE CAPABLE OF BETRAYING HIS OWN KIND?
Laws & respect eh? Ok:
Soros the puppetmaster has said he doesn't feel rules apply to him, so "birds of a feather" (turning your own stupidity against you): Tell us about Benghazi embassy LIAR Hillary Clinton with her sycophant Comey ok?
Tell us about Hillary not having rights to classified emails on her HOME email server too!
Question: Are you fucking STUPID that you'd support loons, liars, traitors & crooks like them? Your ILLOGIC logic, is astounding (for an intelligent person, but then again, you're obviously NOT too intelligent).
APK
P.S.=> See subject: Seems you LOSERS can't respect the law of the land PRESIDENT TRUMP now that he won? Accept it, & lose with DIGNITY & GRACE, losers... apk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
THIS is how you were screwed out of your vote.
Neve Campbell? She rallied against trump? I haven't heard that name since 1994...
Sort of. In Canada in the last few election cycles, the coalition is never spoken of other than as a dirty word. When the Conservatives has power they tried to convince people that it was actually illegal (as they were afraid of an NDP/Liberal coalition having more power than them.
Canada has a multiparty system, however it has it's own issues. Fundamentally one of the issues is the old first past the post electoral system. It basically throws out the votes of those that didn't come 1st. As a result Canada is really a 2 party system, with a 3rd party that has some influence, and a bunch of party's that are completely meaningless. Like the US, in Canada only the Liberals or the Conservatives (used to be called Progressive Conservatives) have ever held power.
The closest thing to a coalition was the amalgamation of the Progressive Conservative and Reform/Alliance parties prior to an election after the PC's numbers got so abysmally low due to the the far right western Canada moving to the more radical Reform Party which was re-branded the Alliance party. After the joining they just dropped the whole "progressive" part which is a bit telling.
The problem with coalitions is that generally speaking politicians don't want to share power, and are partisan enough to rather screw the nation in hopes of the next election than actually get things done. Also you would be giving the other party ammunition for their next election run as well.
All of this is due to career politicians and partisan politics. Both of which point to a guy like Trump who isn't a politician, nor I suspect really cares for either the republican or democrat parties really. Anyway like many I was surprised at Trump winning, but I predicted it, and I understand why. Something that really got me thinking is that of voter turn out. It was low. I've always heard that when it is low, it benefits the republicans. Curious I looked up some historical examples, of which there is a bunch. One of the worst in recent history was actually Clinton VS Dole interestingly enough. Do a quick google for "Why low voter turn out in 1996?" and read some of the articles. It is funny after the fact to see how the media et al missed on this. As the adage goes, "those that forget history are doomed to repeat it". Yes Clinton was a democrat and won, but the actual reality is deeper than just that.
George Lopez doesn't have to leave, he'll end up deported. :)
A lot of people must have missed his Tweets. Where were a lot of reasons to not vote for Trump, coming from his own Twitter feed.
Great analogy to the Arab spring. Let's hope the outcome turns out better for America.
If a bunch of anti-science, creationist, climate change denying trade protectionist wanna rebel against the "elites" with their fancy liberal university degrees, I say the "elites" should go on strike we let the buggers die in the dark. I don't think they have a fucking clue how fragile civilization really is, nor do they have a fucking clue what it takes to keep it all going. They want it, give it to them.
The parallel seems to be debt making people miserable and having someone else to blame for it. I'm thinking about America's recent past with Wall Street.
DNC should have taken a page from Canadian history. We've had a woman Prime Minister. However...
Like you allude to above, in Canada we don't vote for leaders (at all), the Party's do. Should they pick the wrong leader, many voters may decide not to vote for their local candidate in the same party.
Kim Cambell was Prime Minister of Canada for all of 4 months. Basically what happened is that Brian Mulrooney the current Progressive Conservative PM of the day retired/resigned. We don't have a Vice President. In Canada the Queen's representative called the Governor General selects the next PM from the ruling party. Weird right? Tradition I guess. At any rate what really happens is the ruling party tells the GG who to select. In this case the PC Party selected Kim Campbell. 4 months later an election is called and the PC party doubles down on Kim Campbell as their leader, and guess what? They lost. Was that because she was a woman? Was that because the PC party insisted on her? Was it because of a particularly offensive ad making fun of her rivals partially paralyzed face? Who knows...
At any rate the DNC should have consulted with some Canadian political pundits perhaps prior to foisting an unpopular leader onto the populace. Our political system has a lot of experience on that...
I guess what I am saying is if the DNC wanted a woman President so bad, they should have ran Sanders, and had Clinton become VP. Once elected have Sanders retire and BAM woman President! At least for a bit anyway...
That was close. There is still a chance ...
Thank God! read wikilaks' twitter feed you will be glad too . unless you are into the cabal or a pedophile