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Peter Thiel Is Joining Donald Trump's Transition Team (theverge.com)
Peter Thiel's time spent campaigning for Donald Trump during the election season has paid off. According to a statement released today, Donald Trump has named Thiel to the executive committee of his presidential transition team. The Verge reports: Thiel, who donated $1.25 million to Trump's campaign late in the election cycle, mostly stood alone among colleagues in his support for Trump, who was publicly disdained in the Valley. Thiel's support came at a cost to businesses like startup accelerator Y Combinator, which soon attracted negative publicity for having Thiel as a part-time adviser. Thiel also brought criticism to Facebook, where he is a board member, although Mark Zuckerberg defended his place at the company. Thiel further angered First Amendment supporters by bankrolling the Hulk Hogan lawsuit that brought down Gawker. Thiel said before the election that he would find some way of working with the Trump administration, and although his final role is unclear, his appointment to Trump's executive committee signals the relationship will indeed continue.
he reaps the rewards.
#pizzagate ?
A little conflict of interest here with his company Palantir Technologies and its half a billion dollars in defense contracts.
Oh, my bad, that was the other side's policy. I got confused there for a second.
It's the transition team, people.
You very, very rarely go from "transition team" to "cabinet position". It's a somewhat meaningless post, other than access to give advice. Who thinks Trump will be taking most of the advice he gets, rather than acknowledging it, then ignoring it and doing what he wants to do anyway?
"Thiel further angered First Amendment supporters by bankrolling the Hulk Hogan lawsuit that brought down Gawker"
I'm pretty sure the only people who felt angered at this as a first amendment issue were the folks at Gawker.
Everyone else was pretty happy to see the Silicon Valley Version of TMZ (Thirty Mile Zone) go away, and quit outing the sexual orientation of businessmen whose only possible reason for being considered "public persons" was having been promoted as such by Gawker in the first place.
Peter Thiel and Hulk Hogan: I personally cheered for the verdict in this case, and am glad Thiel backed it.
I can't wait to watch the intellectual contortions you put yourself through as you and your fellow Trump supporters being to realize what it is you actually elected.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Both Peter Thiel and Donald Trump are thin-skinned rich white guys who bully anyone that they think insults their thin-skinned specialness.
Both have shown clearly they are FOR free speech when that speech is FOR them, and AGAINST free speech when that speech is against them.
That means they are neither pro free speech, the first amendment, or basic human rights.
It is not surprising that a narcissistic misogynist xenophobic racist bully would enlist others like him to a transition team.
Trump's history is full of contracts where he refuses to pay and unilaterally changes how much he'll pay after he gets the product. If this sounds familiar it's the same as what Darth Vader did with Lando Calrissian when he took Han Solo's carbomite-frozen body to Jabba the Hutt.
Those who voted for Trump for President are in for a few nasty surprises when he does the same things to our allies, to our treaties, to his own campaign promises, and to the people of this land. Unfortunately, so are the rest of us.
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Both Peter Thiel and Donald Trump are thin-skinned rich white guys who bully anyone that they think insults their thin-skinned specialness.
Both have shown clearly they are FOR free speech when that speech is FOR them, and AGAINST free speech when that speech is against them.
That means they are neither pro free speech, the first amendment, or basic human rights.
It is not surprising that a narcissistic misogynist xenophobic racist bully would enlist others like him to a transition team.
Trump's history is full of contracts where he refuses to pay and unilaterally changes how much he'll pay after he gets the product. If this sounds familiar it's the same as what Darth Vader did with Lando Calrissian when he took Han Solo's carbomite-frozen body to Jabba the Hutt.
Those who voted for Trump for President are in for a few nasty surprises when he does the same things to our allies, to our treaties, to his own campaign promises, and to the people of this land. Unfortunately, so are the rest of us.
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Relax everyone. This is just the echoes of the Clinton campaign dying down.
Clinton ran a campaign of spite and malice, she created a tidal wave of hatred and loathing, the waves of which are still sloshing around the tub.
It'll take about two weeks (from the election). People will see Trump acting presidential, that he isn't a monster, and that his plans are sensible and good for the country.
In the mean time, just let them work it out of their system.
Maybe it'll make their transition quicker.
I'm sure you'd be OK with someone offering to pay any lawsuits naming you as a defendant, and that this wouldn't result in lots of people suing you hoping to make a buck.
I'd take the good with the bad. There's a cop I'd like to take to court for violating my rights - can I get someone to pay for my lawsuit too?
Thiel further angered First Amendment supporters by bankrolling the Hulk Hogan lawsuit that brought down Gawker.
I didn't realize publishing private sextapes and ignoring orders from judges was a first amendment issue, but hacked nudes were a completely different, terrible thing to do.
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Once burned twice shy, we can only hope the voters learn from experience. Trump appears to make things up as he goes along, in a job that requires planning, due diligence, and attention to detail. I expect he'll dig a very large hole to bury the Republicans in. I really hope this doesn't happen, as that really big hole will likely have plenty of room for mass graves of the innocent as well. He doesn't need to hit the "Big Red Button" to kill people, his conventional military forces are fully able to kill a hundred thousand humans a month.
you are a fucking idiot
There there, it's all right.
Go to sleep now, it'll all be better in the morning, about a week and a half from now.
Are you talking to the Dems or the Republicans? Is there some alternative universe where Republican congresscritters worked cooperatively with the Democratic president and settled their differences with studied debate instead of wondering where he was born? I must have missed that memo.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
I've heard that TPP and TTIP are already going through their death throes thanks to Trump.
You are incorrect.
TPP is dead.
Donald Trump’s victory in Tuesday’s presidential election has prompted President Barack Obama to abandon the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade agreement, the Wall Street Journal reported late Friday.
According to the Journal, the White House had hoped to push the deal forward in the lame-duck session of Congress, assuming Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton had won the election. Her loss has already changed the political landscape:
Also of note since Trump won: Canada has said it's willing to renegotiate NAFTA, Mexico said it's willing to renegotiate NAFTA, stock market has hit new highs, money previously allocated by the government for the purpose of building the wall has been found, and two of Trumps scandals (the underage rape, and the muslim hajib thing) were found out as complete fabrications.
I'm waiting to hear the liberals on Slashdot spin the death of TPP as a bad thing because it was due to Trump.
Fuck his crony capitalism that shit belongs in 1816 not 2016. Trump will see the break up of the US in ways the Southern Confederates could only dream about. Now the opposite ideology has the real economic strength to secede and take a third of the US states with it. Then Trump can fume and have tantrums all day.
Ease off man, chill.
Take some time off, catch up on your sleep, read a good book.
Everything will seem fine in about a week or so.
You don't have to carry the world on your shoulders all the time.
We can handle the world for a few days - go ahead and relax for a week or so.
Wait, that's what Trump said he was going to do. Now I'm puzzled. Are we expecting him to lie about what he wanted to do in the first 100 days?
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Shit better not happen!
Exactly. Trump doesn't care about America or the planet. He only cares about Trump. He's a con man, flat out. And he suckered half the country. And he is now one of the most powerful men in the world, if not THE most. And we're going to pay.
Maybe if you believe the media and the monster they declare Trump to be.
How many GOP presidential candidates, or candidates from either party, have taken pictures such as this?
http://www.inquisitr.com/3702676/donald-trump-surprise-president-elect-supports-lgbt-community-holds-rainbow-flag-at-colorado-rally-lgbt-for-trump/
Trump has shown over the last 2 years that he has a backbone of steel. I wasn't expecting that from him but the man is tough as they come, and as soon as the campaign was over he started showing his true leadership.
Of course we won't hear about it on TV or in the newspapers because the liberal media will spend their time in FUD mode. At first it was "the markets are gonna crash because Trump" until the next day the markets open on an uptick, then it was all about the "massive demonstrations against Trump" of 700 people in NYC. The media are even more useless when it's a Republican administration than when they get their propaganda straight from Obama press secretary.
lucm, indeed.
Trump will enrich the rich and no one else.
No you misunderstood - he's going to *repel* Obamacare, not maintain it.
lucm, indeed.
Trump will see the break up of the US in ways the Southern Confederates could only dream about.
You mean when the Democrats were fighting to keep slaves and the Republicans freed them?
lucm, indeed.
How exactly was that different from the other candidate? I'm shocked she didn't throw Bill under the bus in her run at the position.
will see the break up of the US in ways the Southern Confederates could
Good. I'm tired of waiting on the south to catch up. Maybe we can go back to being 50 states. I'd personally have no problem being South Canada.
We can leave the South to their backwards theology driven ideology. (What is it about that latitude?)
I've been hearing a lot of talk about "Give Trump a chance", and "let's judge him when he gets to office" by people who voted against him, but are practical enough to want a good leader.
However, this seems to be a pattern with Trump - using donors or people who already agree with him in key positions and advisors. His economic team consists of big donors, and discredited hacks like Stephen Moore and Larry Kudlow (this is non-partisan; even economic advisors of previous republicans presidents don't agree with Moore). He takes an climate-change skeptic (Myron Ebell) to lead the EPA transition.
Yet, I haven't heard a peep from most people who supported Trump about this. The "blue collar" crowd who supported him was about people sick of "Establishment politics", and instead wanted someone "looking out for the working class". Trump's isolationist and trade-war leaning policies, and embrace of supply-side economics have a proven record of hurting workers. Together with clear cronyism (to be fair, this was obvious before the election), I'm surprised that the "blue collar" crowd isn't even slightly upset.
Trump's supporters seem to still be in the post-game high - "Our team won!"; are they going to hold him to his (crazy) campaign promises? Are they going to expect him to loosen libel laws, build a wall, bring back sweatshop factory jobs? A co-worker remarked "Trump's victory speech was a step towards healing", instead of realizing that the stirred up crazy is still out there; he doesn't get credit for not being as crazy enough to follow through on his campaign promises.
The law in case requires treatment of what is nothing but medical waste as if it were a dead body.
Throughout the law in case, legislators explicitly removed ANY limitation of gestation time or any choice from the pregnant women on the matter - making it a law that 1-week, 2-week or 20-week abortion MUST be treated the same as a body of a grown human being.
It MUST be issued a burial transit permit and it MUST be either buried in a graveyard (i.e. interred) or cremated - at the expense of the clinic or the parent(s).
It cannot be disposed of as what it is - medical waste. As was the case prior to that law.
Furthermore, law requires informing the parent(s) of the "fetus" about "counseling that may be available concerning the death of the miscarried fetus".
Which is treating a removed cyst as if it is a dead human. And if the human is dead due to a surgery, that means someone killed it.
I.e. Abortion is murder.
Also, parent(s) are required to sign off on the "final disposition of the miscarried fetus" - i.e. the burial.
Thus, the law DOES require families to hold funerals (as only licensed funeral facilities may conduct burials of human bodies) - if they chose not to have the burial of the "fetus" taken care of by the clinic.
In which case, the clinic must bare the costs of the procedure - IF they can even find someone willing to do the "interment or cremation".
Cause while on one side there is an active campaign against anything abortion related in that state, on the other there is no money in it for the funeral homes.
For either of those reasons, they tend to refuse to provide burial services to clinics.
"We're all figuring it out," said Patti Stauffer, the vice president of policy at Planned Parenthood of Indiana and Kentucky. So far, she hasn't had much luck finding potential funeral homes and cemeteries - a lot of the businesses she's called have told her no. "It's not like we have hundreds of people that are interested in working with us," she said.
That doesn't mean implementing the law won't be logistically challenging, though. "There's going to be a lot of man hours involved," said Curtis Rostad, the executive director of the Indiana Funeral Directors Association. "I think a lot of funeral homes are going to be doing a lot of man hours to do this, for not a lot of income."
Which in practice leaves clinics with a single solution - to shift the burden of the burial of the "fetus" onto the patient.
"Fetus" must be treated as a dead body...
Clinics can't find a business partner to do it for them...
But a patient can simply walk into a funeral home with their burial transit permit and their bag of medical waste and have the "fetus" interred or cremated. Yay!
I.e. Either the parent(s) must take the "body" to a funeral home and have it buried at their own expense - OR the clinics will be forced to have parents take the body to a funeral home and have it buried at their own expense.
Or clinics can simply close. That's an option too.
Just like coat hangers and falling off a stool are an option.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
It's interesting that you point out that Thiel is a libertarian. Trump and Thiel are both Alt Right. That they associate with a party or an ideological label is a matter of convenience.
Keystone was shut down because it was primarily a way for Canada to ship oil to China. It's of very, very limited use to the United States while presenting significant risks (oil pipelines break all the time because it's cheaper to let 'em break than to maintain them since the tax payer cleans up the spills).
Coal burning isn't a big deal because we regulated the fuck out of it. It's not profitable when they coal burners can't externalize their costs by dumping crap into the air and water. That's what shut down coal burning.
He won't gas jews, but I am worried about my daughter's access to reproductive services. She's got some fairly serious congenital health issues that might someday require an abortion of a non-viable fetus to save her life. This is a surprisingly common occurrence that Mike Pence believes his God forbid's. If you think I'm speaking hyperbole then you don't know the horror of child birth left in God's hands. Educate yourself.
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but not necessarily unhinged. Pence is on the extreme right. He's intensely religious and believes his religion dictates his actions.
The thing that frightens me about Christians more than most religions is that their God punishes _them_ for _my_ sins. Think about Sodom & Gomorrah or the Floods. Think about how many baby's God killed. Sure, they're with God now, but they're still dead.
To many Christians who take the bible literally my sinning represents an existent threat to them. Not just their "way of life" but their actual lives. This makes Christianity powerful, because there is a powerful incentive to spread the faith by any means necessary. It's one of the reasons it's as successful as it is. But if your a non-believer and you notice it then it's downright terrifying...
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publishing these sorts of things has long since been declared free speech. They did ignore the judges order, which was a tremendous mistake. They made that mistake because they didn't realize a billionaire was backing Hogan and gunning for them. But all they had to do was follow the judges order until it was (inevitably) overturned and they'd have been fine. The whole thing was a hit piece by Thiel and any sane person would stand with Gawker in light of that.
And if we're talking morality Hogan's no spring chicken himself. What made those tapes a matter of public interest was his racist comments. Like it or not Hogan's a public figure and there is a public interest and good in knowing his character. You never know when they guy might have gone into politics.
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In all likelihood they will eventually learn that he has been owned by Russia (once Putin doesn't need him any more).
I don't even feel like blaming Russia, they are just doing what's best in their national interest, after having been squeezed on the Ukraine.
Just the facts:
1) Trump had no interest in changing the GOP platform presented at the Republican convention, with one exception, he pulled all the hawkish lingo that condemned the Russian intervention in the Ukraine.
2) His second campaign manager Paul Manafort spent considerable time in the Ukraine working for the former president, and Russian asset, Viktor Yanukovych. He had to step aside when this connection became too much of an obvious liability to the Trump campaign.
3) The Russian deputy minister confirmed that they were in contact with the Trump campaign through-out the election process.
4) According to a CNN report, a Kremlin advisor admitted they coordinated with Wikileaks.
5) Trump has considerable business interests in Russia and visited the country often.
6) Trump exhibits considerable sexual appetite.
7) Russian "political culture" perfected the art of compromising politicians with embarrassing material, they even have a word for it.
8) Mother Jones reported that a retired Intelligence officer came forward, alleging that this is exactly what has been done to Trump.
Trump made for the perfect Manchurian candidate.
I, being a liberal Hillary supporter, know for certainty that Donald Trump hates all blacks, latinos, and homosexuals. However Peter Thiel is a homosexual. As a liberal, I love homosexuals and think they can do no wrong. However Thiel supports Trump. My liberal logic can only conclude that Peter Thiel is a closet heterosexual.
Case solved. Thank Secularism for the logic and reason that allows me to keep my preconceived ideas of race and gender identity while still being tolerant and inclusive.
Yea for liberalism. Remember if you are not a liberal you love hitler and want to have sex with underage baby elephants
Humans are sadly very tribal so the Trump supporters are going to be unwilling to admit he's not what they wanted him to be. One common denial tactic you'll see is a redirection where someone points out that Trump or his people do something bad, is to point out a time that the other team, Secretary Clinton in particular, did something similar. To them that justifies it in the sense "We are still in the right because the other guy would have been even worse." It is a way to deflect acknowledging criticism.
You saw the same thing with supporters of President Obama. When he was criticized for things that went against campaign promises, such as offering government transparency, supporters inevitable dredged up President Bush. Basically since President Bush had done something they would argue was worse, that would excuse what President Obama did.
Same shit, different side. Expect to see plenty of it as there is essentially no way at all that Trump can keep most of his promises. Many that see them selves as on that "team" won't want to acknowledge criticism as valid, so they'll deny it when they can, or use redirection like this when they can't.
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Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
This is an odd election where a conservative took the spot of the DEM president candidate, and a relatively liberal took the spot of the republicans.
While not a role model by any means, the people on breitbart are not exactly your typical republican blockhead and tend to be more on the rational side, at least when it's convenient.
But that thing of getting his family on the transition team is quite weird as hell indeed.
Best case would be that he "ran out of people he do actually trust".
And he will not listen.
Thiel is the good news here - that bad news:
He wants to be a fucking King with his Princes running things just like in Saudi Arabia.
It's not a new world, it's the old one that George Washington fought against.
Enjoy your new King Trump voters. Maybe he will throw you some crumbs but don't expect him to keep his word, he hasn't done it in the past so why start now?
Your daughter's "reproductive rights" will be fine, we just won't have to pay for her abortions if she chooses to have them.
Another fine example of liberals rewriting history. You're on the wrong side of the war against slavery? No problem, let's just tell everyone that over time both sides switched places; it's even more convenient than denying things since you get to claim their heroes in the process.
I wonder if you truly believe that bullshit you linked, or if it's a case of cognitive dissonance; and I'm not sure which is worse.
lucm, indeed.
LOL. Such an odd thing to say, given who just got elected. Such an odd thing to say in general, given the "no compromise" binge the right has been on for years (wouldn't confirm *any* cabinet appointments no matter how trivial, wouldn't appoint a Supreme Court Justice, broke filibuster records, etc., etc.)
Thank you for continuing to confirm that the right does not exist in the same reality as the rest of us.
For example, Constitution specifies that one of its purposes is to "promote the general Welfare"
Preamble is non-binding, sorry.
and it is mostly the rich who desperately want all the data about Anthropogenic Global Warming to be ignored, so they can keep getting richer, while ocean levels rise and drown the home of millions of ordinary citizens.
I'd rather see evidence than data. Evidence would distinguish, say between AGW being serious enough that we need to restructure our energy infraustructure worldwide and a bunch of powerful government officials steering public debate, while data won't. For example, the IPCC won't consider costs and benefits of other strategies for dealing with AGW even though their advocated strategy already requires radical immediate changes in our societies and energy infrastructure in order to attempt.
Selling a particular, high cost mitigation approach hard while ignoring other reasonable approaches such as adaptation (and combinations of mitigation and adaptation) is evidence of such propaganda.
You mean the Democrats and Republicans are the same now as they were back in the 1860s?
Fundamentally, yes.
For instance, a century from now people will look back in horror at current late term abortions and wonder how anyone with a conscience can see a human being that would have chances to survive by itself as an inconvenience that can be simply thrown in the garbage - just like we currently can't understand how people could consider slaves as property before the Republicans stepped in. Of course at the moment any argument against late term abortion is bundled with the abortion clinic bombers and the extreme christians - typical guilt by association strategy.
The usual liberal narrative is that "the north" and "the south" have switched places over time but that's because the money has moved north and the liberals try to follow wealth. Look at this week electoral map and tell me that you can see a clear north/south division between the parties. Even the Mason-Dixon line is irrelevant nowadays. Nevada, Florida, Montana, Pennsylvania, Maine, it's all mixed up all over the place.
No, things haven't changed. The Democrats are still trying to impose their corrupt agenda, to have a monopoly on social norms and to have a small elite clique make a living at the expense of the working masses (such as forcing small business owners to pony up big premiums to their insurance companies, or avoiding immigration reforms so they can keep their underpaid Mexican gardeners), and the Republicans are still trying to protect freedom, defend the nation against economical threats and take a moral stand against injustice.
Of course just like it was back in the days the Democrats control the media so they spin things in a way that make them look like the only acceptable option, but as we've seen with this election this brainwashing machine is starting to collapse.
lucm, indeed.
Selling a particular, high cost mitigation approach hard while ignoring other reasonable approaches such as adaptation (and combinations of mitigation and adaptation) is evidence of such propaganda.
And... which "reasonable approach such as adaptation (and combinations of mitigation and adaptation)" has Trump indicated he might support?
No sig today...
we just won't have to pay for her abortions if she chooses to have them.
Then why are my tax dollars being used for drug treatment programs for people who chose to use drugs? No one forced them to shoot heroin, snort cocaine or smoke weed. Let them pay for it themselves.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Because it is not about junkies, it is about crime prevention. Far better and cheaper if a junkie in a need of the next fix won't have to rob and maybe kill someone to get the money.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
It'll still all be Hillary's fault.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Because it is not about junkies, it is about crime prevention.
So then, war on drugs?
Far better and cheaper if a junkie in a need of the next fix won't have to rob and maybe kill someone to get the money.
Far better and cheaper to let them kill themselves than waste money on people who are smarter than all the experts and ignore the Mt. Everest-sized evidence about the dangers of drug use.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
The Preamble of the Constitution clearly specifies the purpose of the document. How can anyone who works at some cross-purpose be considered a defender of the Constitution?
Regarding evidence, Follow The Money. See who has been supporting the deniers of AGW --and note that the magnitude of the donations absolutely indicates rich donors, not poor donors.
Finally, I did not specify any "high cost mitigation approach" in my prior post. While it is supposedly widely known that while the first step to solving a problem is to recognize the problem exists, my other post only talked about denial and ignorance, regarding AGW. But here's how I would choose to deal with it: I'd promote nuclear fusion research. Knowledge is power, and the sooner we have that knowledge, the sooner we will have the associated power!
So then, war on drugs?
It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. Remember that at all times. They're not going after the big pharma drugs that kill people. If truth be told, they're not really going after the illegal drugs that kill people, either. It's just profitable theater.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Living with the consequences of your actions is part of being an adult. Voters who fell for the Trump meme or didn't vote need to learn what happens when you don't take democracy seriously. The same with Brexit, it should be as hard and as painful as possible so when the voters are sat unemployed and hungry they might think twice about voting to lose their own jobs because a newspaper told them to.
You seem have a problem with reading comprehension. Please reread what I have written until you actually get it.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Good point. Let's let them pay for their choices too. Everyone wants freedom to choose but they want someone else to pay for the consequences.
https://www.greatagain.gov/ser... Did Obama throw it wide open to the public like this or did he do an internal/private search? Trump mentions in the application to assume there will be FOIA requests for any info provided, so he knows he's gotta answer for who he picks and who he doesn't. Can't get much more straightforward than that...
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
> There's also a religious ideology. This one opposes abortion, but it also opposes contraception - something seen as an enabler of sinful fornication. From the religious perspective
Specifically, that's the old-school CATHOLIC view. Most religious people don't hold that view, and the Pope himself is moving toward a more moderate position.
> "If they're so anti-abortion, why not work on ways to make it much less needed by offering more birth control and pre-natal healthcare to women?"
We do, and we get even more "bang for the buck" helping women who are already pregnant not just with traditional "pre-natal care" (aka doctors), but a whole range of services helpful to someone who is worried about their ability to have and raise a child. The center my wife and I volunteer at provides classes covering everything from pre-natal nutrition and exercise through what to do when your baby won't stop crying, and where to go next to get support in raising a school-age child. We provide diapers, toys, and a "mom's night" when we have childcare and the new moms can get a break. Almost everyone who volunteers there would be considered "religious", though that term isn't my favorite.
Anyway, a lot of us take Matthew 25:40 (and Matthew 25:35-40) seriously, and a there are many ways to "love your neighbor" when your neighbor is a pregnant teenager who is scared and broke.
KKK is having a parade in NC to celebrate the trump victory. The rats are coming out into the sunshine again. Back to the 50's to make america great again. I only post this as surprisingly, I think a number of /.'s may want to attend. Maybe the donald could be in the front car with thiel driving.
Sounds like he supports adaptation. So there's that.
Saying "but Clinton did X!" has zero meaning after the election because she didn't win. You can't legitimately use that to deflect criticism from Trump. That Clinton did something in the past, or might have done something in the future, does not matter to what Trump does since he's the one who will be in the big chair.
Also if you want to make progress, it stands counter to that to try and make excuses for politicians.
Neither does it mean promoting the welfare of poor people, or immigrants, or Christians, or lesbians, or any other group. What the "general welfare" clause and oath refers to is that, within the already very limited original Constitutional powers of the federal government, it is further restricted to only acting in ways that clearly and directly benefit all people. That means spending money mainly on defense and interstate commerce. It does not mean massive taxation followed by massive subsidies to Democratic constituencies.
That claim is utterly stupid; sea level rise is so slow even under worst case scenarios, that people adapt by migrating. You can try to argue that this is a bad thing or that it is "costly" (for whom?), but the idea that people "drown" because of it is ludicrous.
Yeah, we clearly should staff the EPA with large Democratic donors or their political minions so that they then have the power to funnel large amounts of money into failing green energy ventures and hassle opponents of the Democrats. Knowledge is indeed power!
I am firmly pro-choice myself and do not consider a fetus to be a person. However, I respect that other people have other beliefs. Trump's stated position on abortion that women should pay for their own abortions and contraception, and that late abortions should be limited. Sorry, but this doesn't "enslave" women: non-medical abortions after 24 weeks are already extremely rare.
What Democrats and progressives fail to understand is that compromise is a necessary part of politics. The rigid and leftist positions of Democrats and Hillary on issues such as abortion, religious freedom, and big government programs is what cost them the election. And Trump's obviously rude and loudmouth demeanor was canceled out by Democrats' insults hurled against white males, the less educated, and successful professionals. Who would have thought that calling people "racists", telling them that you are going to shut down the companies they work for, and telling them that they didn't deserve what they earned would induce them not to vote for you? Obviously, Hillary and her highly paid campaign consultants were too stupid to figure that one out.
People are too stupid to correlate their pain with their actions. These same mouth breathers who voted in this piece of human shit keep voting for the people who offshore their jobs, while complaining about losing jobs. They complain about not having access to health care, yet they vote for people who take away their health care. Fuck them. Let them feel pain because they deserve it. I don't believe for a second that any moron who voted for the Oompa-Loompa will learn a thing. They're too damn stupid.
I don't respond to AC's.
Your daughter's "reproductive rights" will be fine
Unless you live in Texas (down to one operating abortion clinic, last I heard) or anywhere else in the country that feels as though the rights of cells outweighs the rights of a living breathing human being.
You kid yourself if you don't think this particular issue is going to come up in an administration that is 100% controlled by the Republicans. That isn't a Trump bash or a poke at the republicans. It is an observation based on facts stated by those particular people. Bible Belt Republicans were licking their chops, looking at Roe v Wade as soon as the election results started coming in.
The discussion is about the federal government and federal spending.
Federal tax dollars should be used neither for funding abortions nor for funding drug treatment programs. Both of those ought to be state and/or local issues.
Furthermore, the only reason we need these programs is the ill-conceived federal war on drugs.
People make mistakes. It's usually cheaper to help them than to just hope they die before causing too much trouble.
Somebody always pays, even if it's only the state having to collect and cremate the corpse.
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Within 24 hours of being the confirmed President Elect the leaders of both Canada and Mexico willingly made it public that they are willing to renegotiate NAFTA. US Stocks have soared with the same, more gains than at any other time in history.
Prior to the election 3 of 4 Americans said that the Country was headed in the _WRONG_ direction. 4 out of 5 Americans said that our Justice system was broken. In California, a State where the Democratic candidate won and voter intimidation is high only 3 out of 5 voters voted for the Democratic candidate. US wide, 2 out of 3 Hispanic/Latinos, Black Americans, Asian Americans voted for the Democratic candidate, and women overall barely broke 50% in voting for the Democratic candidate.
Instead of silencing opinions you dislike and intimidating voters, look at what happened in the Democratic Party! YOU SHOULD BE PISSED OFF AT YOUR PARTY! Massive amounts of corruption and collusion with media to prop up a candidate that nobody really wanted to lead the party! Outright lies about popularity and fake polls giving false hope that that same candidate would win. Right up to election day Democrats were lied to by the people leading them. When you have to bring out free concerts by huge names and have the sitting President campaign several times a day you should have known that it was looking much worse than they were telling you!
And if your party lied to you about Clinton what on Earth gives you any faith that what they were saying about Trump was true? MSM has a whopping 6% trust rating for a good damn reason!
As a Constitutional Conservative I am happy to watch the party continue to collapse. Democrats are losing more and more support every day these pathetic protests occur. Just like the NFL who has allowed anti-Americanism to become showcased, more and more people will become fed up with the lack of respect you have for others.
I am boycotting any MSM station that plays lip service to these "protesters", and recommend that all people do the same. I'm not impressed by fake protests full of paid protesters and supported by pure propaganda. Democrats need to get their shit together and put this in check if they ever want to win another election. Americans tend to support those being oppressed, and the Democrats are oppressing their own.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Wow, just wow. So jimmy carter, you know the guy from 76 is STILL building houses for people. Carter foundation, Clinton foundation, Bush foundation, Reagan Foundation all do serious work. I've not seen anything of merit that the Trump foundation does even though the guy is super rich. What was the one article I saw, Trump is richer than all the past presidents combined.
Furthermore, law requires informing the parent(s) of the "fetus" about "counseling that may be available concerning the death of the miscarried fetus".
I don't see anything wrong with that. Many parents of miscarried fetuses do benefit from counseling. This is obviously more common with later-term miscarriages, because the parents have had more time to build expectations about their coming child, but there's really no "line"; different people react in different ways. I don't see how it hurts anything to inform them of counseling options. Those who don't need it because the fetus wasn't yet a baby in their minds (note that the mental transition from fetus to baby has nothing to do with science, and little to do with religion; it's mostly a function of hopes and expectations) will simply shrug it off. Those who need it might get it, and that's good.
FWIW, my wife had an early second-trimester (~16 weeks) miscarriage many years ago. After it was taken, she asked to see it, and when the nurses brought it to us one of them had put a tiny gold ring on one of its arms. The hospital disposed of it as medical waste, but my wife kept that ring and still regularly wears it on a chain around her neck. Every mother's day she puts it on, without fail. Do NOT try to tell her that her baby was "just a cyst".
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So the same argument applies to abortions then. Most aborted babies are future criminals, ie blacks.
Planned Parenthood was founded by a literal eugenicist who literally wanted to exterminate blacks from America. Also she was one of Hillary's role models.
But Trump, the guy who blazed the trail for letting blacks and Jews into country clubs, is somehow the racist and anti semite. The guy who famously stated that tranny Kaitlyn Jenner could use any bathroom she wanted in Trump tower, is somehow transphobic. The guy who appointed homosexual Peter Thiel to his transition team is somehow going to put all homosexuals in death camps.
It goes on and on. Face it, liberals, you've been sold a bill of goods by Hillary and the DNC. You need to find a new party, or completely demolish the one you have and rebuild it from the ground up. Until then, Trump is going to fight for your rights and your prosperity, and enforce laws as written. If you riot in the streets, you WILL face consequences for that. If you FUND riots in the streets, well...
It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom.
So like trying to prevent a woman from having an abortion? Isn't it her freedom to what she wants with her body just as, according to you, it's a drug user's freedom to do drugs?
They're not going after the big pharma drugs that kill people.
Big pharma used. Comment can be ignored.
"Big pharma" is responsible for keeping billions of people alive. It was "big pharma" who finally wiped out small pox and rinderpest. "Big pharma" almost had whooping cough beaten until those who claim "big pharma" is evil stopped getting their kids vaccinated.
"Big pharma" doesn't deliberately make drugs to kill people. That is why their drugs undergo years of testing and trials to make sure, to the largest degree possible, their drugs don't kill someone.
It's just profitable theater.
Fine, then stop using every drug "big pharma" makes. That includes any form or aspirin or other headache medicines, no vaccines and if you happen to get cancer, don't you dare use the drugs "big pharma" makes to keep you alive and remove the cancer. Wouldn't wan to enrich those evil doers at "big pharma". Sound fair?
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/...
Nomani, a former Wall Street Journal reporter and co-founder of the Muslim Reform Movement, first made her self-described "confession" in a Washington Post column on Thursday. Since it published, she told Costello, she has received a torrent of abuse on social media. It's a symptom, Nomani insisted, of an increasingly hostile "liberal honor brigade."
And that is what the left doesn't understand... and it is one of the reasons Clinton lost...
Liberals, self-proclaimed "tolerant" people, attack anyone who doesn't hold their values.
I am a liberal who is dumbfounded and heartbroken by the election, but I would NEVER criticize any smart people for working for the new administration. Trump will be by far the least prepared and qualified President in the history of the country and I want him to have the best advisers possible. The extent to which he is capable of listening to them will determine how much or little damage to our civilization will suffer in the next few years. I've no illusions that the political causes I support will be devastated, but at this point its about survival.
to the Whitehouse. And I'm not expecting Trump to reign Pence in. It was made pretty clear early on that Trump would let his VP run the show, and here we are with Pence running the Transition.
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Big pharma used. Comment can be ignored.
But then you didn't, so why did you continue? Answer, you know that's not a valid reason to stop. Snarky bullshit used. What's your point?
"Big pharma" is responsible for keeping billions of people alive.
And medical misprescription is one of the largest killers in America, maybe the largest depending on who you ask but definitely in the top five. One hand giveth...
It was "big pharma" who finally wiped out small pox and rinderpest.
Today, virtually all of the basic research is done at universities, partially with public money. Big Pharma then goes through certification processes for which they have lobbied and which are shady as fuck, and spends the majority of their money advertising.
"Big pharma" doesn't deliberately make drugs to kill people.
They deliberately sell drugs which they know to be inferior in order to make a profit. There's a fine line between those two things; I agree they're not identical, but in both cases people are preventably dying for profit.
That is why their drugs undergo years of testing and trials to make sure, to the largest degree possible, their drugs don't kill someone.
The bar to bring a new drug to market is set very high, which helps discourage new players from even entering their damned dirty game. But the bar to bring a derivative of an old drug is much lower; under FDA rules you don't have to prove that it is even as efficacious as the drug it's replacing. You only need to prove that it doesn't kill notably more people than the old version, and bingo! Approval. Then you tap that massive advertising budget (larger than testing and R&D combined) to "warn everyone" about the "dangers" of your old drug. Maybe you even get the FDA to announce that they're investigating it, perhaps to take it off the market. Patients who aren't even qualified to read the PDR, let alone to sniff out bullshit in what they find there, are going to go to their doctors and demand they not get the old drug, because advertising works. And they're not going to do any research first, either.
It's just profitable theater.
Fine, then stop using every drug "big pharma" makes.
Because I am not an idiot, I am not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am also not going to be dumb enough to endorse a completely corrupt system. We can develop new drugs, vaccines, and therapies without Big Pharma even existing. The majority of research already happens outside of their labs. The rest of it can, as well.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
but the man is tough as they come,
No he ain't. He got really bothered when someone made a jibe about small hands, and jumped to defending the size of his willy. Those are not the actions of a man with a backbone of steel, those are the actions of a deeply insecure man.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
It costs money to employ people to collect and identify corpses. This is all assuming that there aren't any other costs, like crime as a result. And that your are a soulless accountant with no regard for human life.
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I don't see anything wrong with that. Many parents of miscarried fetuses do benefit from counseling. This is obviously more common with later-term miscarriages, because the parents have had more time to build expectations about their coming child, but there's really no "line"; different people react in different ways.
Clearly, as your comment there points out - it is not common for a procedure where a woman simply wants to have, what is at that point nothing but a cyst, removed from her body.
Nor is it common to treat it as a "DEATH". Nothing died cause nothing was alive.
No more than a tumor might be alive, yet there is no counseling on the death of a tumor.
That bit is there to guilt women and to put psychological pressure on people who are running abortion clinics.
Just like the rest of the law is there for those same reasons - plus the monetary burden.
FWIW, my wife had an early second-trimester (~16 weeks) miscarriage many years ago.
That is not the same thing as a voluntary abortion.
I'm guessing your wife wasn't impregnated by a boyfriend who just shrugged it off and left her hanging there, married man who was cheating on his wife with her, nor was she raped, perhaps by a family member, nor was she in any other situation, social, economic, health or otherwise which precluded her from the luxury of pregnancy.
In all those cases, even at 1 week, a woman who is already emotionally burdened is forced to hear a lecture about a how she killed a baby.
I'm guessing that your wife didn't have to hear that either. That it's her fault and that she's a baby murderer.
Which is something most women who come to abortion clinics are treated to. First outside the clinic by the pals of the newly elected vice president, then by the clinic staff, based on the laws he enacted.
As for your wife and her unhealthy fixation on a symbolic product of a miscarriage... well... clearly neither of you thinks that she needs treatment though she STILL mourns a fist-sized lump of tissue.
Why have closure about mental and physical trauma, when you can shape it into a "tiny gold ring", symbolically hang that psychological burden around your neck and revisit that pain every year.
That's gotta be healthy. Mentally and all. Nursing psychological pain usually is.
Fuck those people who'd call that a trauma. What do they know, right?
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
Jimmy Carter, Bush, and Reagan were running this election cycle?
Your daughter's "reproductive rights" will be fine, we just won't have to pay for her abortions if she chooses to have them.
The Hyde amendment makes it illegal to spend federal money on abortion so that has not been a problem since 1976. Allowing women the option is becoming more of a problem.
Okay, so if a junkie hits you with something heavy on the head to get your wallet and the phone, you are okay with the society letting you die because it is the cheapest solution? Good to know.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
The marxists
I know you aren't going to read Das Kapital or any summary of Marxist theory, but, you are it, buddy. The backlash that voted for Trump IS Marxist theory come to life. Shocking!
http://www.maxineudall.com/2010/02/should-economists-be-sued-for-malpractice.html
That is not the same thing as a voluntary abortion.
Sorry, I thought you were talking about miscarriages.
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She's got some fairly serious congenital health issues that might someday require an abortion of a non-viable fetus to save her life.
Mike Pence has repeatedly stated, and even voted for measures, which protect the right for a mother to have an abortion when her life is at risk.
The left tends to twist this wording to be "health" risk which includes everything from serious medical problems to minor depression.
What I find completely batshit crazy is that both the President and VP Elect said this was a State issue, not a Federal issue. Both want to remove Federal funds from the process, and return the options to the State. If you really want abortions to be legal and funded you are free to petition your State to enact laws you agree with. Limiting Federal powers is a good thing.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I take it you haven't seen the so-called Pied Piper memo?
It wasn't Daddy's money and influence propelling Trump over the past year, it was Hillary's. As disturbing as that revelation was to me, I can only imagine how Trump took it. He must feel like the victim of the world's most elaborate troll.
I don't think the president-elect feels like a victim of anything. The Democrats thought they were being clever when they had their media allies pump him up in the primaries, but they ended up only helping him win the election in the end.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
Remember Obama's pledge to end the lobbyists getting into the cabinet? Heh.
http://www.politico.com/story/...
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As a public figure he's forced to balance his right to privacy to the public's right to know. Both the fact that he harbors severe racist sentiments and the fact that he's cheated on his a friend with his wife are relevant to the public. Most case law would side with the public's right to know. Gawker would have won the case if they'd just listened to the judge.
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Once I have to link to Alex Jones for my contentions I will take this under advisory. As it is all of these things come from pretty reputable sources. I just didn't bother to put the links in, such as
http://www.motherjones.com/pol...
or this one
http://www.mobypicture.com/use...
At any rate, if he is a Russian asset it will come out eventually, until then the suspicion is well founded given his behaviour, and other governments will take it into account.
NATO is but a paper tiger at this point. Not that Trump voters will care, but you shattered the Western alliance. If you think this is on the level with being unable to comprehend a birth certificate, then you have bigger problems anyhow.
Yes, that was a part of my point. The other part was that helping drug users lowers the amount of muggings and burglaries, which is a good thing.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
How many of those did things *after* they left office?
Were you upset he did it in front of you? How exactly do you think the Clinton Foundation worked?
You know with the internet you can do a quick search and discover all sorts of things. For example, Hilary founded an advocacy group in Arkansas in 1977 for families and children. While 1st lady of arkansas she worked to expand health care for the poor, & worked for public education reforms. While at Yale she took on child abuse cases. All this and more is generally available. Now remind me again of the any charity work trump has ever done. Try googling "Trump charity work". Mainly the hits are about how little he has done relative to clinton and how he is the most selfish billionaire.
Trump did NOT look terrified at all - he has known and been friends with several presidents and is not awed by them.
They didn't hand him the keys to the building on those visits, did they?
but the man is tough as they come,
No he ain't. He got really bothered when someone made a jibe about small hands, and jumped to defending the size of his willy. Those are not the actions of a man with a backbone of steel, those are the actions of a deeply insecure man.
I don't know what's your day job, but unless it requires a deep insight in human psyche, I would advise not to quit it.
lucm, indeed.
No that's not how logic works.
lucm, indeed.
fucking idiot you don't understand history or demographics or migration go learn something you fucking retard
What should I go anywhere to learn something? Just right here reading your posts I get to learn about the fetal alcohol syndrome, it's truly fascinating.
Just to confirm my diagnostic, could you complete this checklist of symptoms? Ask around if you're not sure about what some of the words mean.
[ ] abnormal appearance
[x] low intelligence
[x] behavior problems
[ ] small head size
lucm, indeed.
I don't know what's your day job, but unless it requires a deep insight in human psyche, I would advise not to quit it.
Enlighten me, then how being insecure about having a small willy is now a good thing. You're not insecure are you?
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Far better and cheaper to let them kill themselves than waste money on people who are smarter than all the experts and ignore the Mt. Everest-sized evidence about the dangers of drug use.
No, it isn't. Junkies, homeless people, desperate people all have create a very real burden to society in terms of higher police costs, emergency room costs, and lost property values because of crime. In many cases, it's cheaper to fix the problem than it is to let it continue.
You seem to kniw so much but cite nothing. Lets see those documents. Then i promise i will believe.
You pretend to care but won't use google. Let's see you do some basic searches to try to verify what i'm saying. Please take the extra step if you actually care about this subject. If you won't do the research before you comment then you're a fuckup. It would take me too long to go track down citations for all of these things. If you think I'm lying or wrong about something I said, then find a citation that suggests such. THAT is how debate works, not demanding sources. Slashdot is a debate, not a scientific paper.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
If you're going to declare that a batch of cells that will eventually become a fully formed human must be protected as legal persons, then why not sperm cells and ova?
Fertilized human eggs are human beings in their earliest stage of development. Sperm cells and ova are not human beings. These are such basic scientific facts, it's clear you're being deliberately obtuse.
Consider:
(a) if you had been killed by a notorious criminal yesterday, you would be dead today, but at least you would not have been robbed of the life experiences and liberties that you've enjoyed to date.
(b) If you had been killed when you were a fertilized egg, you would be dead today -- an outcome indistinguishable from (a) -- but furthermore you would have been robbed of 100% of your life experiences and liberties.
Clear-thinking libertarians should therefore conclude that (b) is a worse crime than (a).
If "fully formed" is your criteria for whether it's OK to terminate a human, then 10-year-old children are clearly fair game. They are by no means "fully formed."
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
Coal isn't dying because of politics.
You have to admit that for better or worse, this political attitude:
"Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket," Obama said. "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them."
is a contributing factor to coal's death.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
I can't remember who coined the term, but I saw a great article months ago labelling these people as "crybullies." Essentially, they try to cram their cause/opinion down everyone's throat, and then when somebody disagrees they start in with buzzword-laden attacks labelling any detractors as being discriminatory X'ists (sexist, racist, misogynist, etc). They take any legitimate counterpoints and basically say "this is not valid, you're attacking me because I'm [insert group]". For bonus points, they'll take some of the usual nutwads/trolls/etc that really are sexist, racist, whatever, and use them as an example of how somehow everyone is against them and they're just a victim.
But accepting (b) leads to some ridiculous consequences. According to the potential principle of (b), you have a duty to cause pregnancy - and for men, the most productive way to achieve this goal would be serial rape. Every woman they refrain from raping is a potential child robbed of life.
There are lots of legislative acts on the books that require everyone to respect the rights of others. They range from
- trivial things (to not call others for certain reasons)
- to more weighty (e.g., to not damage or steal the property of others)
- to the laws with the most serious penalties (to not kill others; but curiously, these laws cease to protect the victim's rights if the victim has not completely made it through an arbitrary process called birth, or in some cases, an arbitrary stage of human development called the "third trimester")
Not only is there nothing wrong with laws that require everyone to respect the rights of others; some of these laws are essential to any high-functioning society.
Do these thousands of existing laws require anyone to sincerely believe that others have rights that should be respected? No. You can be inwardly contemptuous of others' rights, or you can believe we're merely biological machines upon which it would be silly to endow rights; but you'll do just fine if you merely act like you believe, by not violating the law.
The people of Indiana, via the legislators they duly elected, decided that everyone has a right to dignified disposal of their human remains. To their credit, they didn't make an exception for those who didn't make it through an arbitrary process called birth. FWIW, Snopes says the law does not require anyone "to hold funerals for abortions or miscarriages -- much less at their own expense."
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
The recent Indiana abortion law that you refer to (HEA 1337) was halted by the Federal court in June: see http://www.indystar.com/story/... for one writeup. See http://fox59.com/2016/06/30/ju... for another. But thank you for your analysis!
It's unethical to rob liberties away from a human being that has already been created.
A "duty to cause pregnancy" does not in any way follow from that fact. I can't even fathom what kind of twisted reasoning brought you to that conclusion.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
The recent Indiana abortion law that you refer to (HEA 1337) was halted by the Federal court in June:
This was:
This is a guy who signed a bill with a government mandate that families hold funerals for miscarried or aborted fetuses.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
With how often his executive orders were anti constitutional, were you screaming for his impeachment?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Funny, I don't recall the Democratic president ever allowing them to work with him.
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...
Over and over again, we heard that Obama would not negotiate with the Republicans. Obama was of the opinion that either they allow him to do everything he wants, or he will take his ball and go home. It is impossible to work with someone who won't even talk to you about what they want without throwing a hissy fit.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Odd, that first link combined two links together, not really sure how that happened.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?