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Interviews: Ask Red Hat CEO Jim Whitehurst A Question (redhat.com)

Jim Whitehurst joined Red Hat in 2008, as its valuation rose past $10 billion and the company entered the S&P 500. He believes that leaders should engage people, and then provide context for self-organizing, and in 2015 even published The Open Organization: Igniting Passion and Performance (donating all proceeds to the Electronic Frontier Foundation). The book describes a post-bureaucratic world of community-centric companies led with transparency and collaboration, with chapters on igniting passion, building engagement, and choosing meritocracy over democracy.

Jim's argued that Red Hat exemplifies "digital disruption," and recently predicted a world of open source infrastructure running proprietary business software. Fortune has already called Red Hat "one of the geekiest firms in the business," and their open source cloud computing platform OpenStack now competes directly with Amazon Web Services. Red Hat also sponsors the Fedora Project and works with the One Laptop Per Child initiative.

So leave your best questions in the comments. (Ask as many questions as you'd like, but please, one per comment.) We'll pick out the very best questions, and then forward them on for answers from Red Hat CEO Jim Whitehurst.

167 comments

  1. Systemd, WTF? by rknop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Systemd, WTF???

    As I understand it, one of the stated goals was to speed up boot times. It's had exactly the opposite effect on my Ubuntu system -- that is, when the boot doesn't die altogether when I try to mount NFS shares. (Also, thanks to systemd, I can't even *reboot* or shut down the machine when there's a hung NFS process. I am forced to hard-reset it.)

    For years, warning flags have been raised about systemd. It more or less seems that we're bringing all the disadvantages of the Windows architecture to Linux, without any of the advantages of running WIndows.

    So, again: systemd, wtf???

    1. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My question is related: is Red Hat, as an organization, at all concerned about the damage that systemd has done to Linux's usability, its reputation, and its community? Is Red Hat concerned with how systemd has driven so many Linux users to FreeBSD?

    2. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually if you just read up a tiny bit on the subject you would know for starters that Windows does not have anything remotely similar to systemd, it's has some overlap with macOS (but systemd does more).

      Dependency based loading does not only improve performance (as unnecessary modules and code won't launch just to quit immediately) it improves efficiency, power consumption etc.

      Now systemd isn't fool proof and probably not bugfree either, just like bad init scripts can cause issues so can a fucked up profile or service for systemd.

      Learn to use systemd-analyze and submit bug reports if you encounter problems.

    3. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all seriousness, maybe Ubuntu hasn't quite integrated it correctly. It's not a distribution Red Hat has direct influence over.

    4. Re: Systemd, WTF? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And a follow up, why not spend some of RedHat's money on a sane init system?

      I'm sure you can put a few dollars and bright minds on a system that works reliably. The last thing I want my embedded system to do is get hung up on an init failure.

    5. Re:Systemd, WTF? by wjcofkc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I use Linux extensively and have since 1996. I started off on the "boo systemD" bandwagon myself. It was all based on hearsay and my own purity out of zealotry. Eventually, I took plunge. At a point, there was little choice. I am the type of person who pushes systems and clusters of systems to the limit. I have not experienced any of the problems you cite. Perhaps you are holding your computer wrong? And don't even get started about binary log files. You can still use all your favorite utilities: sed, grep, awk, etc... I am not buying your story. You are talking out of your ass hoping to get modded up. Meanwhile, I am calling you out expecting to get modded down.

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    6. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The number of users driven to FreeBSD is equal to the number of celebrities who fled the USA as promised if Donald Trump won the election.

    7. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      > And don't even get started about binary log files. You can still use all your favorite utilities: sed, grep, awk, etc... I am not buying your story.

      No, you actually cannot. The only way to do this is either to ask journald to translate from its on-disk format to a textual format, or to reimplement that part of journald yourself.

      As a SysvRC replacement, OpenRC kicks the everloving shit out of systemd. I tried systemd on one of my Gentoo systems. Boot and shutdown times were -on average- significantly slower than OpenRC. Boots and shutdowns would intermittently hang for _ages_, but the various tools provided by the Systemd Cabal to perform diagnostics indicated that

      a) absolutely nothing was wrong
      and
      b) my eyes and wall-clock were lying to me, and that boot or shutdown hadn't actually hung for ages

      The story with my upgrade from Ubuntu with Upstart to Ubuntu with systemd is very similar.

      systemd isn't inevitable, just as kdbus wasn't inevitable. It's just a pity that the Linux kernel gatekeepers weren't also the gatekeepers for Debian. :P

    8. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So that means that systemd to Linux is the equivalent of Donald Trump?

    9. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In other words, the damage is only just beginning.

    10. Re: Systemd, WTF? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      And a follow up, why not spend some of RedHat's money on a sane init system?

      Many many people have tried, many smart people have tried, and no one has ever come up with something satisfactory. Look at any of the many init systems, and there are always complaints. It's a tough problem.

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    11. Re:Systemd, WTF? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      it's has some overlap with macOS (but systemd does more).

      In fact, systemd is completely, and unabashedly inspired by OSX, as can be seen in this blog post. Specifically, this video was inspiration for systemd. That is not necessarily a problem, it's good to share ideas around.

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    12. Re:Systemd, WTF? by XparXnoiaX · · Score: 1

      Now systemd isn't fool proof and probably not bugfree either,

      That's understating it. A simple tweet can crash systemd.

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    13. Re:Systemd, WTF? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2
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    14. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to use systemd-analyze and submit bug reports if you encounter problems.

      Apparently, you've never had to submit bug reports to RedHat support.

      I'm not saying init scripts were perfect, because they weren't. But when shit breaks, you could get in there, figure out why, and fix it. Without having to submit a bug report and wait for something that 'may' be fixed when you really need it.

    15. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh no, you just discovered one of systemD feature. A single tweet which can own the wHOLE system.
      Adding useless feature just adds bloat and is a no-no for any security aware techie.

    16. Re:Systemd, WTF? by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      Add 'nofail' to your nfs mount options. Now your boot won't explode on failed NFS mounts.

      Or at least, that's what fixed it for me.

      Systemd as a concept isn't bad, but the current implementation (and the horrid naming of the command-line utilities) is barely tolerable, and strikes me as wholly untrustworthy. I'm also quite shocked that RedHat has let it consume so much (and especially non-init-related) tried and true functionality without giving previously consumed subsystems time to bake.

      I'm currently a bit unhappy with the technical leadership at RedHat. A simple replacement for init would have been great, but the snowball effect with systemd makes me cringe.

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    17. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a follow-up to "systemd, WTF?", I think the larger question is "the systemd devs, WTF?". Could they POSSIBLY push out any more alpha-level crap that gets its fingers into EVERYTHING and then be more arrogant about WONTFIX on issues a third-grader should have seen coming? The high-handed egotism behind half-baked design decisions is just breathtaking.

    18. Re: Systemd, WTF? by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because for every 1 vocal systemd opponent, there are 100 quiet satisfied systemd users. I was a vocal opponent until i had to actually use and rely on it. I wouldn't go back if you paid me. It has made my job a lot easier.

    19. Re:Systemd, WTF? by donaldm · · Score: 1

      Systemd, WTF???

      What a great way to ask a question. I hope you never have to front a board of directors with an outburst like that.

      As to systemd causing your NFS to fail. I call BS on that although to cover all bases turn off the NFS services that are controlled by systemd (look at the manual entry "systemctl" or even use the systemd GUI) and then find out if your NFS still hangs (most likey a combination of network and target machines) and if it does then it is your job to fix the problem or barring that get in someone who can.

      For years, warning flags have been raised about systemd. It more or less seems that we're bringing all the disadvantages of the Windows architecture to Linux, without any of the advantages of running WIndows.

      So far lots of rants with no concrete evidence to back them up. In the Professional IT and scientific community, you need repeatable evidence to back up your claims, not anecdotal words. As for comparing systemd that is a system and service manager to Microsoft Windows which is an operating system your kidding right?

      So far your rant sounds like a poor tradesman blaming is tools.

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    20. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Is Red Hat concerned with how systemd has driven so many Linux users to FreeBSD?

      Considering BSD has 0.7% server market share which actually declined by 0.2% over the past year, and unmeasurably microscopic desktop share, your loaded question has a false premise.

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    21. Re:Systemd, WTF? by l20502 · · Score: 1

      No, dependency-based init is nice and all, but you shouldn't need the clusterfuck known as systemd, even the shell scripts of insserv+sysv are dependency based. It doesn't provide more useful features as socket activation is just lennarts mental masturbation, on most systems idle processes can get swapped out and even embedded systems with 16Mb RAM don't seem to have issues with loading everything sequentially at boot. Timing out by default instead of just waiting for a device is just stupid.

    22. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to run Linux, only use Red Hat.

      Mission Accomplished, systemd.

    23. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And for every quiet satisfied systemd user, there are two quiet dissatisfied systemd users.

      You don't know how many quiet systemd users are out there, and by definition of them being quiet, you can't know if they are satisfied or not.

      Your argument is therefore bad.

    24. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Systemd, WTF???

      As to systemd causing your NFS to fail. I call BS on that

      It is most likely that is point isn't that systemd makes his NFS mounts fail, but that if they fail, systemd shits itself, fails to boot, and force him to hard reset the machine, which most likely didn't happen with other init systems.

    25. Re: Systemd, WTF? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      This begs the question, so I'll just ask it: Have any customers ever moved away from Red Hat because of systemd?

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    26. Re:Systemd, WTF? by LichtSpektren · · Score: 0

      Now systemd isn't fool proof and probably not bugfree either,

      That's understating it. A simple tweet can crash systemd.

      That turned out to be fake news since it relies on a feature that is turned off by default on all but testing developers' systems. But thanks for playing.

    27. Re: Systemd, WTF? by LichtSpektren · · Score: 0

      I'll second this question. The anonymous coward trolls on Slashdot have long been proclaiming a mass exodus to FreeBSD. Any truth in that matter?

    28. Re: Systemd, WTF? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      It's a tough problem.

      Perhaps one that deserves some funding and thought into how it should work. Not something slapped together by a 30 year old that couldn't have had more than 10 years experience.

    29. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

      I was a vocal opponent until i had to actually use and rely on it. I wouldn't go back if you paid me. It has made my job a lot easier.

      How nice for you. What a pity your experience and mine are not the same.

      We're seeing a.lot of flamage about the lack of security on IoT devices. One company I work with is making such a thing. The presence of systemd increases the expected scope of a security audit to the point that they expect to migrate the production version to another OS rather than absorb systemd by upgrading to the current version of the linux distribution they used for initial development.

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    30. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a satisfied systemd user. Honestly you should quit your bitching because the battle over systemd was settled over two years ago. RHEL will not modify RHEL7 back to init, so if you are a professional Linux administrator you better get use to systemd because you're going to be dealing with it for a very long time. In short, it's time to move on.

    31. Re: Systemd, WTF? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      Don't confuse quiet or content with satisfied.

      I moved all of my "This has to run when I press power" systems to FreeBSD. I still bit the bullet and run Ubuntu w/systemd the same as I run Windows 7 because that's the tool that is needed to get some jobs done. When systemd goes sideways it's easier for me to just re-install Ubuntu than deal with debugging systemd.

    32. Re:Systemd, WTF? by G00F · · Score: 1

      Systemd almost make sense, and at least stated by solving a problem. It's what they are doing on the network side that's more messed up. And of course NetworkManager that has no place in the server environment.

      Systemd at least started by solving a problem. What problem was being solved by changing the ethernet naming scheme?

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    33. Re:Systemd, WTF? by walterbyrd · · Score: 2

      This is why I suspect most systemd advocates are paid shills, or something.

      When people advocate systemd, typical all they do is ad hominem attacks.

      I have yet to see a strong, logical, argument in favour of systemd. I suspect there are no good arguments for systemd, just the same tired, childish, insult spewing.

    34. Re: Systemd, WTF? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      What a pity your experience and mine are not the same.

      Isn't this the core motto of the fragmented clusterfuck that is people's experience with opensource software in general? Or windows. Or mac.

      Systemd is being elevated to such unrealistic expectations that people blindly forget why multiple projects by multiple vendors were trying to change something in the first place.

    35. Re:Systemd, WTF? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Add 'nofail' to your nfs mount options. Now your boot won't explode on failed NFS mounts.

      You're expecting a religious systemd opponent to read a manual. Don't do that, it only angers them.

    36. Re:Systemd, WTF? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      As to systemd causing your NFS to fail. I call BS on that

      I don't. What I do call is a useless system admin who won't read a manual to solve a problem, or wont read up on the documented and resolved cases of this problem occurring including the many workarounds.

    37. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just users to FreeBSD, but companies as well!

    38. Re:Systemd, WTF? by strikethree · · Score: 2

      I started out with Linux about 97-98 time frame. I was also a SystemD naysayer... unfortunately, I still am.

      Reasons:
      SystemD is brittle. any part that break appears to break the whole. I am used to Linux being quite robust and getting past many errors to a console and being able to fix the "box". That does not and can not happen with SystemD.

      SystemD keeps the EFI partition open and appears to either constantly write to the partition or just trashes the partition hard when a hard reboot is necessary (again, due to poor decisions by software developers). Example, was playing DOTA2 and the system hard-locked on me for some reason (thermal?). The system would not even try to boot even after leaving the power off for a minute. Became really worried that something terrible had happened and tried to boot off USB. Booted no problem and rebuilt the EFI partition from scratch because it was no longer even recognizable as an EFI partition. Fuck YOU SystemD. That is very very naughty of you.

      I could go on but there is no point. The supporters mostly seem to be religious zealots who think that the average case is always applicable when in reality, it is the exceptions that define whether or not your software is good.

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    39. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      is Red Hat, as an organization, at all concerned about the damage that systemd has done to Linux's usability, its reputation, and its community? Is Red Hat concerned with how systemd has driven so many Linux users to FreeBSD?

      Ahem, Jim only cares about extending Red Hat's own power and influence, this trumps community interests every time, this is what he is paid to care about. So when Red Hat acts against the interests of the community and to its own benefit, it should be no great surprise. One thing in particular that is ingrained in Red Hat's corporate culture: hostile takeover of community projects. Fedora is a good example. There are many others. Expect nothing more than bland diversion on this question.

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    40. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      What a great way to ask a question. I hope you never have to front a board of directors with an outburst like that.

      Go fuck a bollard, you pompous cunt.

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    41. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This!

      When systemd works, it works... and in all honestly it mostly does for me under Fedora and RHEL. However when things do go pear-shaped it's ridiculously complicated to debug or figure out exactly what's going on.

    42. Re:Systemd, WTF? by XparXnoiaX · · Score: 1

      Oh look, an apologist.
      It doesn't matter. There are plenty of bugs in systemd.

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    43. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the message is that systemd means you'd better go with Red Hat for your linux? Nice to have that made clear. Now it's not a surprise Red Hat has been championing it.

    44. Re: Systemd, WTF? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Perhaps so.

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    45. Re: Systemd, WTF? by kimvette · · Score: 1

      From RedHat (SystemD) to what - CentOS (RHEL clone built from RHEL sources, more recently with support from RHEL itself)? Ubuntu LTS (SystemD)? SLES (SystemD)? Oracle Linux (another RHEL clone, SystemD of course)? Mandriva (first, bwahahaha! second: also SystemD)? ClearOS (Based on CentOS, also SystemD)? Arch (SystemD)?

      All the distros that matter, and even the ones that don't (Mandriva), have gone or are going the SystemD route. Learn to love it, because for enterprise you're stuck with it as you migrate off older releases.

      I suppose you could choose Slackware (no dependency resolution, great for hacking, shitty for a maintainable system - it is THE distro for luddites and masochists)?

      So, I suppose the answer to the question is no one would rationally abandon RHEL due to SystemD; they'll just resist upgrading until they NEED an updated framework they cannot get off the epel or ius repositories, or until PCI or HIPAA compliance requirements forces them to move out of the stone age.

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    46. Re:Systemd, WTF? by kimvette · · Score: 1

      > You're expecting a religious systemd opponent to read a manual. Don't do that, it only angers them.

      They're probably angry because they're naturally assuming, based on their past experience, that like most F/OSS projects that its official documentation sucks... and that assumption isn't wrong. However lots of third party documentation projects (including various distros' documentation sites) resolve that shortcoming.

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    47. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From RedHat (SystemD) to what - CentOS (RHEL clone built from RHEL sources, more recently with support from RHEL itself)? Ubuntu LTS (SystemD)? SLES (SystemD)? Oracle Linux (another RHEL clone, SystemD of course)? Mandriva (first, bwahahaha! second: also SystemD)? ClearOS (Based on CentOS, also SystemD)? Arch (SystemD)?

      All the distros that matter, and even the ones that don't (Mandriva), have gone or are going the SystemD route. Learn to love it, because for enterprise you're stuck with it as you migrate off older releases.

      And you just highlighted what the problem with systemd is. It's not systemd per se, we have other free software that people consider crap, it's that despite all the people claiming "if you don't like it, don't use it" you can't actually avoid it in practice.

      And I'd bet that that's what most people have beef with. If RedHat wants to make their own init system, I'll encourage them, but I should not be forced to use it.

    48. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet people don't realize that RedHat is a for profit company that by definition, has for primary goal to make money. If burning linux and free software to the ground would increase its benefits, it would do it without any second thought.

      We need to be careful of that and not put all our eggs in RedHat basket, but this is exactly what we're doing with systemd and freedesktop, and I wouldn't be surprised if we did the same with flatpak and wayland.

    49. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're expecting a religious systemd opponent to read a manual. Don't do that, it only angers them.

      They would if there was a decent systemd manual unfortunately the ADHD kids who write systemd havent got a long enough attention span to write documentation (or decent software)

    50. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This begs the question

      No it doesn't.

    51. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Funny, PulseAudio's like that. I wonder if there's any connection?

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    52. Re: Systemd, WTF? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      They weren't thinking big enough. They tried to replace an init system with an init system. Evolution, not revolution.

      The Glorious Lennart has vision! He has ambition! He's going to replace an init system with a combined init system, network controller, desktop environment & kitchen sink.

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    53. Re:Systemd, WTF? by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      I like systemd. I can write service scripts in seconds as opposed to hours. It supports dependencies.

    54. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modded troll for making statements of fact.

      That says a lot about systemd proponents and just how Debian was moved to adopt the software, whereas kdbus never made it into the Linux kernel. :/

    55. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What problem was being solved by changing the ethernet naming scheme?

      For systems that only have a single network interface of a type (Ethernet, WiFi, USB-attached-Ethernet), absolutely no problem is solved, and this is an _enormous_ step backward. (How much harder is it to remember eth0 than enp94s34, and remember which combination of numbers it is on which machine? Umm...)

      However, for machines that have multiple interfaces of a type, naming the network interface by the bus type and number that it's attached to really _does_ solve a problem. I've seen -once or twice in a couple of decades- eth0 and eth1 switch places after a reboot. Frankly, the "Stable naming" option _should_ have defaulted to OFF, as the Linux users that are the most likely to be put off by the unguessable interface names are also the ones that _never_ will run into the problem that the "stable naming" scheme solves.

    56. Re:Systemd, WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /s/systemd/OpenRC/ and you have an equally true statement. :)

    57. Re:Systemd, WTF? by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      yes. If that is the debate cool. It seems a lot of people are still in love the the bash scripting hell that is /etc/init.d/ (SystemV?)

  2. The plans for CentOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now that CentOS has received a more official status in the RH world, what are the plans for the project?

  3. if meritocracy over democracy by turkeydance · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is his choice, who decides what is "merit"?

  4. Are you guys going to merge with ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:Are you guys going to merge with ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .. or source color-coordinated headware for the Red-headed League?

  5. How do you cope with CentOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a professional, I have had dozens of job offers over the past 2-3 of years, EU and US, well paid and all, with a weird common criteria: free stuff. Spacewalk not Satellite, Openstack not RHEV etc. Do you have some hints for how to explain the provenience of all that good stuff and the need for proper training and support?

    1. Re:How do you cope with CentOS? by Desler · · Score: 1

      OpenStack not RHEV? That doesn't even make sense. Do you mean KVM not RHEV? How exactly is OpenStack a replacement for RHEV?

    2. Re: How do you cope with CentOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By RHEV I meant not just the hypervisor, but the entire orchestration stack. There is a management server, RESTful API, integration wits MS AD, etc. all the way up to CloudForms which incidently can also manage Openstack or Vsphere. It's much much more than just KVM.

  6. Open source? by martiniturbide · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is current commitment of Redhat with open source for 2017? Redhat may be the most profitable software company that endorse open source their products. What is the recommendation for other companies to be profitable and at the same time remain being good open source citizens?

    1. Re:Open source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm also curious given Michael Tiemann's chapter in "Open Sources: Voices from the Open Source Revolution". How much have things changed since the acquisition of Cygnus Software in terms of making money from open source software (I realise it is a long time ago now)? Does Red Hat espouse any particular kind of business model with respect to driving profitability from open source?

  7. Does RedHat want to be the new M&? by Notabadguy · · Score: 0

    Love open source.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/be...

    Is Redhat aspiring to be the new Microsoft?

  8. As corporate IT loads shift to public clouds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this marginalize the role of operating system vendors? I would imagine that most AWS customers would lean on Amazon for technical support rather than Red Hat.

  9. KVM by adolf · · Score: 1

    It appears plain that Red Hat has spent plenty of money on virtualization with KVM and friends.

    It is plain to me that KVM and friends work fine on every other distribution.

    If my goal is a KVM host, why should I buy RHEL instead of just using it on some other distribution?

    1. Re:KVM by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 4, Interesting

      (Disclaimer: I work for Red Hat on virtualization)

      Red Hat and Fedora have a strict "upstream first" policy. We also have a large team working on KVM and qemu. A natural consequence of this is that we implement many features and fix many bugs in KVM/qemu, and these go upstream, and every other distribution benefits. This is great for open source. But I think your question is How is it good for Red Hat? since your implication is you can free ride on Red Hat's efforts.

      There are three cases where you might benefit buying RHEL: Firstly if you call support with a serious bug, then eventually it'll get escalated likely to the person who actually wrote the original code. Secondly RHEL subscribers influence the future development direction (of course, the larger ones have a bit more influence). We really care about how our customers are using the tools. Third, you're probably not just using a single KVM host, you might want to try out OpenStack or oVirt, and we have systems architects who help customers with these larger deployments - the same architects who previously worked with large telco subscribers using OpenStack or huge bank deployments of oVirt, so they have loads of real world experience.

      However if you're happy to free-ride, then us developers are happy too, because at the end of the day we really care about Free software.

  10. Proprietary driver support by ARos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hi Jim,

        Many proprietary hardware vendors continue not to take the Linux desktop and workstation markets seriously. Recall, e.g., Linus's rant against nvidia. As a leader in the Linux and FOSS communities, what will you do to persuade major vendors to write and maintain functional drivers for RHEL and Fedora?

    Thank you,

      - A.

    1. Re:Proprietary driver support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nVidia used to take Linux very seriously. They've done a lot over the past 15 years to support Linux, and for most of that time had polished, high performance and most importantly, working drivers (unlike the competition). However, Linux has aggressively not supported nVidia at all because most of their driver is a closed-source blob and they don't keep up with rapid large-scale changes in kernel or application land graphics interfaces.

    2. Re:Proprietary driver support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say nvidia still takes linux seriously. They don't play nice with Opensource, they don't help nouveau, their driver may not be like what the kernel maintainers want, but they deliver a driver that performance-wise, and I think feature-wise too, is on par with the windows version. Their linux driver had vulkan support on day one too.

  11. Why does GNOME have such an unusable UI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GNOME is a Red Hat project due to the amount of people and funding they get from Red Hat. Then, why does GNOME have such an unusable UI, particularly to the mayor audience of your products? The UI makes basic tasks such as switching between windows a chore unless you install shell extensions, which break frequently and cause unstability.

    1. Re:Why does GNOME have such an unusable UI? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      More precisely, when there are far lighter DEs like Razor-qt, LXDE, XFCE, et al, why persist w/ a DE that is as heavy as KDE 5?

    2. Re: Why does GNOME have such an unusable UI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh? Task switching in Gnome 3: alt+tab

    3. Re:Why does GNOME have such an unusable UI? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GNOME 3+ is a really horrible desktop environment to use and I think will do nothing to but set back Linux adoption on the desktop. What makes it so annoying is the crazy dumbing down of the environment to the point where it's actually harder to use effectively. They seem to be of the opinion that removing features and basic usability makes the desktop easier to use. I suspect the driver is more about maintaining less code. Consider a keyboard with only one button. Less complicated by easier to use?

    4. Re:Why does GNOME have such an unusable UI? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      What's really annoying is that Gnome 2 was more than good enough. They spent considerable amounts of money & time making something worse.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  12. What is your day by Master5000 · · Score: 1

    like?

  13. The biggest problem I've seen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that too many folks simply don't know Open Source exists. What's it going to take for someone to put a Raspberry Pi, bundled with a heavily app-loaded memory card, in the impulse buy section at Walmart?

    Right now, Windows has been a nightmare for business. The tech support costs are awful. https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/10/21/1521204/macs-end-up-costing-3-times-less-than-windows-pcs-because-of-fewer-tech-support-expense-says-ibms-it-guy Many geeks don't like the Win10 spying.

    Macs are nice, but the software ecosystem is a little lost. Upgrade and lose this app, or stay behind and miss out on that one. Plus they look like jellyfish or octopi with all those converters hanging off.

    Linux seems like what folks need. You can get a damn fine laptop for $500, whereas a mac could set you back a couple thousand. When a company is buying hundreds of thousands of laptops, those numbers add up.

    But, ya know, we see good Linux support for cloud systems. Good support for servers. But the desktop, you kinda have to be an expert to get Linux installed let alone keep it working... When will Red Hat or Ubuntu or whomever step up to the plate and make it brain dead simple for business laptop users. Not just the initial install, but keeping it up to date... The parts are there. But, you know, you upgrade this and that breaks... The sales guys really can't handle it. Tech guys, sure, but we'll sink way too much time into keeping the computer going that should be spent on actual work... It just seems like we're missing this last step.

  14. Account Team Understanding of a TAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How come the account teams seem to undermine the value of a TAM and only position them as a support resource given that a TAM if given the opportunity can be much more then just an escalation contact within Red Hat like adding value from a proactive perspective?

  15. Red Hat OpenStack Support Matrix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When is Red Hat going to provide a supported feature matrix for all of the features in Openstack? Something that provides a list of features and whether they are supported, require a support exception or not supported even though they are supported upstream?

  16. The important question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's your favourite type of chocolate?

  17. Why isn't Linux a viable desktop OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Red Hat has been involved with Linux for a long time now. We've seen a lot of desktop/workstation-oriented contributions to projects like systemd, GNOME, Wayland, and so forth.

    Yet despite all of this effort, why do we see so little uptake of Linux within the desktop/workstation market? One Slashdot submission from July 2016 puts Linux's desktop market share at just over 2%. A similar submission from October 2016 puts it just over 2%, as well.

    Why is Linux's share of the desktop market so abysmally low, even with several of the past releases of Windows (Vista, 8, and even 10) being widely disliked, and with Linux distributions typically being free, and after existing for over two decades now?

    And should it concern us that the most widely-used Linux-based OS, Android, has actually discarded/replaced so much of the software that Red Hat has rallied behind? It's almost like Linux is most successful when the software that Red Hat is involved with is not used.

    Given this lack of success, should the various desktop-oriented initiatives that Red Hat has started or worked on be considered failures?

    If they aren't currently considered failures, at what point would they be considered failures? Would Red Hat's support for them be promptly terminated if they were deemed to be failures?

    1. Re:Why isn't Linux a viable desktop OS? by nbritton · · Score: 1

      Why is Linux's share of the desktop market so abysmally low

      Application support. Lack of professional desktop applications, lack of unified development tool kits, lack of a unified desktop experience, and lack of ease of use in administering said applications. If you have to resort to a terminal to install or manage an application you have failed badly at easy of use. Desktop applications should be statically compiled objects like they are on the Mac. You double click on it and it just runs, you throw it in the trash can to delete it. The fact that the Linux crowed still doesn't get this is yet another reason why Linux desktop market share is so low.

      My personal opinion is that the community took a wrong turn when it standardized around GTK, QT was, and still is, clearly superior.

    2. Re:Why isn't Linux a viable desktop OS? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      One Slashdot submission from July 2016 puts Linux's desktop market share at just over 2%.

      Got to the same site now, it's 3.8%, catching up with MacOS and Windows 8. Not sure what's going on there, that's the fastest growth I've seen in a decade.

      A similar submission from October 2016 puts it just over 2%, as well.

      Why is Linux's share of the desktop market so abysmally low, even with several of the past releases of Windows (Vista, 8, and even 10) being widely disliked, and with Linux distributions typically being free, and after existing for over two decades now?

      The one-word answer for that is: Gnome. It's just needlessly unfamiliar to Windows users, and face it, clumsy for everybody. Plus keeps changing for no apparent reason. Just one random item off the top of a large stack: after all these years, GTK file open dialog still sucks.

      It's almost like Linux is most successful when the software that Red Hat is involved with is not used.

      To be fair, Red Hat is heavily involved in kernel development, and as we all know, Linux Kernel is far and away the most successful OS in the known universe.

      Given this lack of success, should the various desktop-oriented initiatives that Red Hat has started or worked on be considered failures?

      X.org: definitely not a failure. Gnome: definitely a failure. Freedesktop.org: somewhere in between. It's a mixed bag.

      If they aren't currently considered failures, at what point would they be considered failures? Would Red Hat's support for them be promptly terminated if they were deemed to be failures?

      Interested in Jim's answer. Gnome, definitely a failure. Only Red Hat keeps beating that dead horse. The world's most popular Linux desktop is now Unity, based on QT. Just say no to GTK and C, the world has moved on. Red Hat has no significant desktop share, time to think about why.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    3. Re:Why isn't Linux a viable desktop OS? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      after all these years, GTK file open dialog still sucks.

      lol, so true.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    4. Re:Why isn't Linux a viable desktop OS? by kimvette · · Score: 1

      What keeps me on Windows:

      Adobe CC (Lightroom and Photoshop primarily, although CS2 would run fine under crossover, or WINE with tweaking, for when I need Illustrator)
      Embroidery software
      Games (more and more games are available on Steam, but many are not)
      Label printer software
      PowerDVD and any games that work with 3D Vision (will 3D Vision ever get ported to Linux? Doubtful.. NVIDIA hasn't shifted focus away from 3D, unfortunately, just like everyone else has just as the tech matured to the point where 3D is not just usable, but actually enjoyable)

      I work with Linux all day long and on my laptops I dual boot Windows 7 and Linux (OpenSUSE on one, Ubuntu 16,04 LTS on the other) but rarely boot the laptops to Windows.

      My desktop PC has Windows 7 installed on the host; I run Linux guests (RHEL, Ubuntu) under Virtualbox on my desktop.

      The second I can get Adobe CC, software for my embroidery machine, label printer software, and 3D Vision support (with 3D video players for my Blu-Ray collection) on Linux, I'll wipe my desktop and install a Linux distro.

      --
      The Christian Right is Neither (Christian nor right). See: Matthew 23, Matthew 25, Ezekiel 16:48-50
  18. How do you monetize Open Source? by mykepredko · · Score: 2

    How would you recommend to somebody who feels they have a great application idea and is probably ready to go for Angel/1st round funding but feels that the application should be Open Source?

    Do you put in customization/support as the way to fund the endeavor long term or is there another approach for the OSS conscious entrepreneur?

    1. Re:How do you monetize Open Source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just some suggestions.

      No matter your strategy, probably at most 0.01% to 1% of the users will ever pay for open source. Therefore, the product needs to be worth paying for by bringing real business value and it needs to be distributed widely. In other words it needs to be packaged by RedHat since it's the leading commercial Linux distribution. For this, the software needs to be worth distributing by a Linux distribution and you need to build bridges to the maintainers in Fedora. Rinse and repeat with Ubuntu and SUSE.

      Once all of this is successfully done, there may be a business case for investing in an open source product with a support service or an open core model.

      Alternatively, build a closed-source core model with open source peripheral tools and an active community.

  19. Fixing the silence of failed installs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it possible to add a feature to the first stages of the installer whereby people can choose to send a notification that on their system the installation failed. otherwise failed installations will probably rarely be reported. maybe it would be good to know just how many installations are failing before setup is complete, and the person has simply moved on to try another distro.

  20. How do you compete against Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you compete against Silicon Valley - Bay Area startups?

    We know that

    * SV/BA/Cal startups generally leads the rest of the industry by 30--50 years
    * They take away all the superintelligent--superindustrial people
    * They are awash in capital
    * They are hyper-flexible, hyper-disruptive, and can build a monopolistic empire overnight
    * They are hyper-hype, hyper-hip, and can drown you in voices

    What prevents some tech startup from rendering you irrelevant suddenly? Or just buying you outright? Last time I checked, your market cap is only $13 billion. This is well within the reach of a Western coast tech giant, or some lucky startups.

    1. Re:How do you compete against Silicon Valley by unixisc · · Score: 1

      They are based in NC, which is some orders of magnitude cheaper than the Bay Area

  21. Ever a future for commercial desktop Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or for Redhat to enter the consumer market in any form?

    1. Re:Ever a future for commercial desktop Linux? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Second that.

      I migrated my home environment from Solaris to Red Hat Linux for the Y2K boundary. Not too long after that, Red Hat dumped consumer support (handing it off to Fedora) to concentrate on Enterprise. Oops!

      I'd have been happy to stick with Red Hat if they'd stuck with me.

      --
      Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
  22. What is your favorite color? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like blue. Oh ya and purple and orange are cool. And mint green, neon hot pink and turquoise. Also cyan, and FF2323, E386D9, FEBE57, black, FFFFFE, F5FF24, ABACAB, DABABA, 88.7FM WOBO, and gray.

  23. Re:Trannys by unixisc · · Score: 1

    They are based in NC, so as of now, you need to go to the bathroom that's on your birth certificate

  24. Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by snooo53 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm curious your thoughts on why Linux hasn't grabbed more laptop/desktop marketshare from Windows and MacOS over the years? It seems that with the privacy concerns around Windows 10 and Apple's lack of focus on MacOS there may be a huge opportunity in the near future. What things need to happen in the consumer marketplace and within the OSS community for it to really take off? Can 2017 be the year of the Linux desktop?

    --
    The sending of this message pretty much inconveniences everyone involved.
    1. Re:Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well , secure boot has not helped me to promote linux to my windows friends.

    2. Re:Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by johannesg · · Score: 0

      Why are you asking the obvious? Users don't want 10 desktop environments, 25 window managers, or a holy war about whatever shit runs when the computer starts. They want applications. They want their hardware to connect and 'just work' (including printers, video cards, and everything else they can currently buy for Windows without a care in the world). They want to never, ever open a shell and type a 'simple' command. And they want all of that, without having to deal with people that tell them they are stupid or on the wrong distro.

      Contrary to popular believe, to most people computers are about more than just a browser and office application. There is always something else they also use, something that just happens to be unavailable on Linux. And sure, maybe they can find alternatives. But why would they, considering that the status quo is that they have already solved the problem and they can already do whatever it is they want to do?

      Your argument is that they should leave the proven, working, stable, comfortable system they know behind, and join a club of bearded hippies whose idea of freedom is to not have a working GPU. Good luck with that.

      Linux on the server is fine; it's what it is made for, what it's good at, and where it belongs. Linux on the desktop will never, ever happen, as far as the general population is concerned.

    3. Re:Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice little rant.

      Users don't get 10 desktop environment and 25 window managers, if they happen to pick Linux Mint Cinnamon, they get 1 desktop environment and 1 window manager to work with.
      They don't get a holy war about whatever runs when the computer starts, nobody except us nerds know about that.
      There are applications.
      Hardware does connect and 'just work'.
      Including printers and video cards.
      They don't need to ever open a shell to type commands.

      To me, your "not have a working GPU" remark discredits your entire post.
      Even NVIDIA, who Linus gave the finger, has very solid Linux drivers nowadays.
      Linux users can even be hardcore gamers.

      "Linux on the server is fine; it's what it is made for, [...]"

      Is it? Is that was Linus had in mind?

      "Linux on the desktop will never, ever happen, as far as the general population is concerned."

      Current, about 2% of desktop users are on Linux. That's a tremendous amount of people. And it's still growing.

    4. Re:Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering what Red Hat is doing, I'd say they think fragmentation and familiarity is an issue, that's why they try to unify the linux ecosystem under windows-like projects like gnome/systemd/freedesktop/flatpak.

    5. Re:Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by Shep03 · · Score: 2

      Why do people have this outdated opinion of Linux on the Desktop? I use it one every single device that I own, it is fine with my GPU, my Printer, and anything else I connect. The Linux you're referring to is the Linux of 2005, not 2017.

      Windows 10 sent out updates that removed the wireless drivers from peoples PC's. They did that after shoving Windows 10 down everyone's throats whether they liked it or not. My parents run Fedora as a result of that stupidity, and everything does "just work". They don't know if it's Systemd or Upstart, no one tells them they're on the wrong distro and they definitely have no idea what a 'terminal' is. Why? Because they just use a computer to browse the Internet, view photos, print and scan and watch Netflix. Why would any of those things happen to people for using Linux? Those things only happen to people who bother to involve themselves in the community. That's when people carry on about Systemd, v initVsys, Gnome v KDE, whatever v whatever.

      Just installing Linux doesn't mean that a van driven by Richard Stallman will drop Linus and his gang of bearded hippies off at your front door so that you can be lectured. It's just an alternative to a Windows OS that barely works as well as people say it does. I've never once installed Windows and had my Wifi work out of the box. Or my trackpad do normal trackpad things without having to go download a driver. Downloading a driver from the mine field of, "We tots have all the drivers and even this .exe thing that will scan stuff and tots not take over your entire desktop with things you absolutely must have to speed up your PC. FYI, lots of registry problems here, lots of registry problems. Fix them now!." That's a horrible experience man. Like, how people make this "Trusted, proven, things just work argument." is honestly beyond me...

    6. Re:Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by Shep03 · · Score: 1

      Especially considering OSX is 12% or whatever it is now. That's pretty impressive! Or if you ask PornHub, we're at 3%. ;)

    7. Re:Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by donaldm · · Score: 1

      I'm curious your thoughts on why Linux hasn't grabbed more laptop/desktop marketshare from Windows and MacOS over the years? It seems that with the privacy concerns around Windows 10 and Apple's lack of focus on MacOS there may be a huge opportunity in the near future. What things need to happen in the consumer marketplace and within the OSS community for it to really take off? Can 2017 be the year of the Linux desktop?

      It's been Linux on the desktop for me for over 10 years and that is in the Professional and home market spaces.

      You've heard of the words "Microsoft Tax" haven't you? The usage of Linux has actually increased from 1.5% to 2.21% recently so a few million people are changing over. In addition the number of Steam games for Linux is over the 5,000 mark and gaming is another major reason why people aren't changing at least for the moment.

      Being forced into getting Windows 10 with its privacy issues has made some users at least try Linux but the majority of people who buy a PC which comes with a Microsoft OS won't make the change since they don't care.

      As for the corporate sector, there are some changes but the majority are locked into the Microsoft ecosystem.

      --
      There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
    8. Re:Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's not an outdated view of Linux. I run Fedora 24 and in order to update the drivers for my HP printer, the update notification asks me seriously to download the source tarball and "make install" it. I have a Lenovo Laptop and a nice Dell 34" monitor. The default setting for the monitor is 60Hz, which both the laptop and monitor should support, but guess what: every once in a while, the monitor just goes away for a couple of seconds. This just works on Windows 10.
      I install Linux roughly every two years and there is always some crap thing that just does not work out of the box. Unfortunately, the majority of people making Linux related software just can get their head around the fact that this is totally fucking unacceptable!

      YOU SIR ARE THE PROBLEM!

    9. Re:Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by fbobraga · · Score: 1

      secureboot is a real nightmare...

    10. Re:Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It seems that with the privacy concerns around Windows 10

      What privacy concerns? -Sincerely uncaring users all over the world.

      No seriously, if you think some quite deep technical privacy conversations that a few slashdot users have and get published on Stallman's blog is a catalyst for wide spread linux adoption then I would recommend a room with padded walls and nothing hard for you. The privacy issue has had close to zero impact.

    11. Re:Why isn't Linux on the desktop more widespread? by johannesg · · Score: 1

      ...if they happen to pick Linux Mint Cinnamon...

      And I quote: "without having to deal with people that tell them they are ... on the wrong distro." See? There you go already.

      They don't get a holy war about whatever runs when the computer starts

      Yet somehow, it's the very first question posted under this topic.

      There are applications.

      See? That's what I mean! You don't care what people actually need to do with their computer, there are a few applications so they should just shut up. What kind of shitty attitude is that? You didn't even ask "what do you need?", you just blindly assumed that whatever it is, surely there must be something.

      Hardware does connect and 'just work'.
      Including printers and video cards.

      Oh, does it? Here, posted today: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?p...

      Be sure to read the comments.

      They don't need to ever open a shell to type commands.

      Are you for f'ing real?

      To me, your "not have a working GPU" remark discredits your entire post.

      What's that Phoronix post about then?

      Linux users can even be hardcore gamers.

      Yeah. Playing Nethack.

      Current, about 2% of desktop users are on Linux.

      I'm not sure why you see that number as being supportive of your position, rather than mine.

  25. Re:Trannys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And that's bad because..?

  26. The cloud, SaaS and the GPL by Kjella · · Score: 1

    More and more traditional application functionality is being offered by online services, meaning less and less of it is distributed and users can't change how they work. Companies can build proprietary services and create their own private forks and fixes without contributing back to the general community. Some open source licenses encourage this, others like the GPL discourages this. The Linux kernel and a great many other parts of Red Hat Linux is built on that user freedom and enforced sharing of code.

    We see Google has great success with Android under the Apache license, except for the kernel. Apple built OS X based on a BSD kernel. While open source probably has a bright future at the bottom of the stack, will it mainly become the "plumbing" of proprietary systems using non-copyleft licenses? Will copyleft applications adapt to this new hosted, service-oriented world? Be an alternative to it? More or less fade out as users move to the cloud? Obviously this won't have a definitive answer, but I'd like your thoughts on what direction we're headed.

    --
    Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  27. GPL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is your opinion on the GNU GPL and enforcement of the GPL?

  28. Redhat Sateliite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you think about the timing of releasing RedHat Satellite 6, based on Katello?

    Katello is a Foreman + Candlepin + Puppet + Pulp solution for patching large numbers of systems. It also had a 1.0 release that was not installable by a sober person. Also, 1.0 was useless once install due to the task engine being broken. Even not it has a rather mixed reception at places that discovered that locally installed Satellite instances generate failed tasks constantly with a need to flush the database of 'lock' entries and errored out tasks.

      Was it too early or not beta tested enough? Or was their some political reason to move so quickly off Spacewalk, the previous platform?

  29. Puppet verses Ansible? by waveclaw · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Where do you see the configuration management market going in the next year or two?

    Orchestration is the hot topic right now for automation verses last year's configuration management tools. Ansible is more orchestration than configuration management. Puppet and Chef require tools like mCollective to pickup the orchestration piece. RedHat now runs Tower. And Tower now ships as part of the RedHat Ceph storage product. RedHat's Satellite product is based on the Foreman which includes Salt, Puppet, Chef and Ansible support.

    But where is this market heading? Are we likely to see consolidation? Integrations? Or even a flood of config management system tied products from vendors?

    --

    "You cannot have a General Will unless you have shared experiences. You cannot be fair to people you don't know."
    1. Re:Puppet verses Ansible? by ktdreyer · · Score: 1

      Red Hatter here (on the Ceph eng team). We do not ship Ansible Tower in the Red Hat Ceph Storage product at this time. It's my understanding that RH is still working to fully open-source it since the Ansible acquisition.

  30. Truth Happens, redux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, do you think the video "Truth Happens" is as timely now as it was a decade ago? I saw it presented about a decade ago by Michael Tiemann and Mark Webbink in Asheville, NC, and gave Michael a tour of my work facility the next day. I was impressed then, and cotinue to be impressed now.

  31. Coding Chops by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    So who wins in a "code off" ?,
    Jim Whitehurst, Mark Shuttleworth, Tim Cook, Larry Page, or Satya Nadella.

  32. Re:white males decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It does seem to be that way, more and more.

  33. Jones South by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Jim,
    how is it that giving the girl a long hug, waiting for her to look up, creates that special opportunity for a kiss? It seems like it worked on HEJ...

  34. Windfall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has your financial rise changed the company in any way, and has it made Linux more respectable?

  35. Enterprise Desktop Market / Emerging / Demand by GioMac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've asked this question several times but didn't get answer :)

    I am running > 250 of Linux desktops at the company and can get even more, but there is no centralized management solutions for that and that's an issue with customization and security too, KDE desktop is very good at some point with it's ability to have strict configuration files and immutable options, that does about 1/4 of what we can get with MS + GPO and we see that a little effort is required to make things work.

    Can we expect that RH will enter that market in the nearest (3-4 Y) future?
    Thanks

    --
    "It feels like I'm at the Zoo when reading this thread - I'm frightened, but it's interesting" (c)
    1. Re:Enterprise Desktop Market / Emerging / Demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red Hat Satellite + IDM can do just about everything you can with GPOs. What you're really asking is, why isn't like how I do it on Windows?

  36. Are there plans to tighten Ansible Integration by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    We use and love Ansible, but it still seems to be a separate product. Are there plans to integrate it more? Having it as an integrated deployment option for JBOSS Operations network (JON) would be good.

    1. Re:Are there plans to tighten Ansible Integration by ktdreyer · · Score: 1

      We're integrating it into Satellite: https://github.com/theforeman/... Ceph's new installer is Ansible-based: https://github.com/ceph/ceph-a... As is Gluster's: https://github.com/gluster/gde... OpenStack TripleO has https://github.com/openstack/t... It's taking a while, but it's moving.

  37. RHCA exams by kamilyunis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My question is about RHCA exams. It is very good and we are very happy about RedHat new subscriptions based trainigs. It is great. But when it comes about RHCA, it is limited for locations. RHCA level exams are very expensive, and travel and accomodations makes it more expensive. I am 2xRHCE, because of these exams is available in my location. Azerbaijan Baku. MIddle EAST, Caucasus does not have center to take exam. Pease take this into consideration. Vmware, Cisco, Microsoft, AWS, OpenStack makes their exams available in everywhere online, so it is easy for everyone to take it. Why open source company limits people passions to location. I believe that me and people like me can become multi level RHCA if they get chanse to take exam in their own location. And this will help recognition and value of RedHat in regions also. PLease make this available as Cisco for us. At least make it possible on Kiosk In Georgia or Azerbaijan so we can take exams also. I am from Azerbaijan, Baku. With Loves to best open source company in the world.

  38. The Price of Reliability by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    Worked on SunOS, Solaris, MacOS, Red Hat, CentOS, and, more recently, Ubuntu. CIOs choose Red Hat mainly for support and reliability. Reliability is the word that comes to most engineers mind when the RH and CentOS OSes are mentioned (certainly for good reasons). Reliability mainly relies on using older kernels and features, that have been patched over and over ; sure, that works, reliability wise. But on a number of rather recent projects, comparing Ubuntu server and RH/CentOS, it appears settings services up (eg samba) was way easier on the newer Ubuntues than on the latest RH/Centos (not mentioning the many issues migrating from 6 to 7) . Also, using newer kernels, Ubuntu performs well, taking advantage of the newest internals, memory management and sharing, IPC etc ... and no specific reliability issue (IMHO, reliability wise, Ubuntu and the like are as solid as RH nowadays).

    Question: in 2017, does reliability still mean using long-tested, but older kernels and features?

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    Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
    1. Re:The Price of Reliability by op00to · · Score: 1

      Reliability doesn't simply mean older kernels. In addition to the usual requirements of not having the thing throw a fit under normal conditions, reliability also means consistency and longevity of API and ABI. In other words, not only do you want the thing not to break itself, you don't want it to break other applications. Because of Red Hat's commitments to API and ABI stability, it requires them to backport newer features and fixes into older versions.

  39. As a continuation of this: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given some users concerns over mandatory vendor signed firmware and the possibility of it being (intentionally or unintentionally) compromised with no effective way to override or replace it, what efforts is Red Hat taking to ensure the trustworthiness of 'certified' systems, verify the integrity of the system, and ensure sensitive data (such as signing keys, sensitive corporate information, etc) cannot be accessed or exfiltrated at a privilege level higher than the operating system is capable of providing auditing and integrity services to?

    If no strategy is in place, rare as it may be, what would be your public response should it come to pass that a Red Hat Enterprise Linux system WAS compromised due to such an exploit, whether via OOB services enabled by firmware, or via access to management interfaces via kernel level device nodes (/dev/mei for example?)

    I bring this up because we are now in year 8 or 9 of mainstream hardware with mandatory (often obfuscated) vendor firmware capable of undocumented operation outside of and simultaneous to OS operate. Given the prevalence of containers and 'cloud technology' there is now a very real possibility of chained exploits allowing a third party to steal ssl keys, or other sensitive info, even if such information was transferred to a newly running VM after performing attestation by compromising the system with above-hypervisor level privileges, and at least on ARM and maybe AMD gaining access to the privileged system keychain, which could allow silent compromise keys not easily replaced outside of normal renewal intervals, or in some cases (like for example permanently fused keys as these very systems use for firmware management processors!) not at all.

  40. Re: white males decide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wtf? +1 for useless post

  41. Desktop subscriptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi Jim,

    I like Redhat as a product, and I'm happy to support the cause, but at $149 per year for a basic desktop license, it doesn't compete well with other pay-OS vendors e.g. M$, are there plans to make the desktop cost for personal use more affordable? I use CentOS on the desktop, but would gladly pay for a little quicker updates, and the Redhat branding.

    Thanks,
    Bob

  42. Up-to-date packages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will RHEL have up-to-date packages? Outdated packages (docker, git, etc) makes RHEL a pain to use. And we need to add EPEL to have the basic tools, we need. I do not really see why we pay for RHEL, when we can get Fedora, which much better suits our needs, for free. Please note, that outdated and stable are not equal.

  43. Future of HR Departments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose my tl;dr question is: "What future do you think exists for HR Departments in large and small organisations alike, including your own?"

    I graduated a few years ago and a lot of my friends who are now working in organisations with HR departments seem to have a relatively similar view of HR, and to anyone reading this comment, it might be similar to your view too. A stereotypical bunch who don't entirely solve your problems; an iron fist inside a velvet glove; fake smiles and empty promises; just another function of management designed to save money, etc.

    One person I know works in pretty small private company with no real need for HR, but admits that the office atmosphere can sometimes take a step too far beyond 'banter' as the vast majority of the office are men. That said, I have other friends who now work in HR for companies like LinkedIn and Google, and they feel that they have a great internal relationship with the other employees.

    Additionally, what is RedHat's philosophy / approach to HRM and the employee relationship?

    Thanks, Jim.

    PS: I recently ordered your book 'The Open Organisation' for a family member who works in academia. I am interested to hear their thoughts on it, as well as giving it a read myself.

  44. Diverse Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the sake of diversifying diversity, have you considered changing your name to Jimima Blackhurst?

    1. Re:Diverse Diversity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and what proof does Jim have that "diversity is our strength"?

  45. Strategy by olau · · Score: 2

    Red Hat is big and getting bigger. Where are you heading at the moment? Would Red Hat ever try to move into the the more consumer-focused places where Ubuntu has ventured, or is that just not profitable enough?

  46. A long term view on IoT security? by mlts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are there any plans or products to help with IoT security?

    RedHat is one of the few companies that can step in and do something in regards to device security, even when device makers have little to no interest in this topic, as to them, security has no ROI, or as one IoT company exec told me, "the only person that has ever made money from a padlock is the lock maker."

    Being able to lure IoT vendors to use secure tools wouldn't just benefit them, but it would benefit the Internet in a whole. Even something like manifest lists that interact with FirewallD to ensure a device is only able to communicate with authorized devices and cannot take input/output from rogue sources would improve the IoT ecosystem tremendously.

  47. A Katello replacement going forward? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RH Satellite is a good item, but it would be nice to see Katello replaced by something with a lot fewer moving parts. A patch management server should be simple, fast, and sturdy, and in my experience, Katello is none of those things. Are there any plans on the horizon for making something that isn't so delicate, requiring so many libraries and prerequisites to even produce a web page?

  48. Military Recruiting Problem by Gabe0463 · · Score: 2

    Sir - One of the larger challenges facing the US Military is the recruitment / retention of skilled IT professionals into the military ranks, both officer and enlisted. Why do you think that is? - Gabe

  49. Why not have a consumer desktop? by Danathar · · Score: 2

    Given Ubuntu's success at providing a stable, developed and popular desktop environment for non-technical consumer users, why doesn't RedHat provide the same thing? Why is that right for Ubuntu but not RedHat?

    1. Re:Why not have a consumer desktop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Canonical does not turn a profit providing the Ubuntu desktop so I don't see what's in it for RedHat?

  50. When is the big reveal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Jim,

    When are you going to reveal the big drive to push systemD was to give you corporate control of pid 1 and bypass the pesky kernels GPL code for product and licensing lockin?

  51. RHEL is too static to keep pace with kernel devel. by nbritton · · Score: 1

    I have found that RHEL is too stagnate / static to keep pace with the rate at which the kernel is now developed. The 3.10 kernel is four years old at this point and the fact that RHEL7 will be in production support until 2024 is disheartening because the enterprise industry will be a decade behind the latest kernel developments and updates from associated projects. Compared to other vendors Linux offerings, when I use RHEL I get the same feelings I got when I was force to use AIX, HP-UX, and Solaris. I hated administrating those products because they were stuck with defaults like ksh from a decade ago.

    My question is, would Red Hat ever consider releasing a Linux distribution with a shorter development cycle and with more aggressive tracking of upstream projects? I see a place for a distribution that is somewhere in between RHEL and Fedora. Perhaps you could morph or fork CentOS into the upstream development for RHEL? For example: Upstream --> Fedora (Bleeding Edge) --> CentOS (Next Release of RHEL) --> RHEL. This would give system engineers and architects a greater range of products to choose from and it could help stabilize RHEL even more then it already is.

    In short, the Linux kernel is the largest and the fastest moving software project in the world, so what changes are you going to make to keep up with it?

  52. bacon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is your view on bacon?

  53. Product vs Engineering by Nite_Hawk · · Score: 1

    Hi Jim,

    Thank you for answering our questions! How do you view top-down product driven development vs bottom-up engineering driven development? Are there situations where one excels vs the other?

    Thanks,
    Mark

  54. Did M$ push Poettering to push systemd? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WHO CARES how fast it boots... unless you're running on a laptop... and how many folks are running RH or RH-descended distros on laptops?

    Hell, one of our couple-hundred servers and workstations, ALL WIRED, ALL ON ALL THE TIME, is an HP 580dl Gen5... and it takes (I've timed it) about 70 seconds before there's any video signal from the POST.

    And parallel startup? When something fails, you've just *seriously* complicated debugging.

    Give me one good reason for a *binary* error log (journalctl). One. When a systems in a degraded state, I'd like to use cat/grep/vi/more/less/etc/etc. Why should I *have* to use journalctl... oh, that's right, it's a binary error log.

    The UNIX way (which includes Linux): of all the ways I can do something, which one would I personally prefer to use.

    M$, Apple, and now systemd: no, the way you want to do it is the *wrong* way, our way is the *right* way, and we'll do our best to keep you from doing it the "wrong" way.

    Do you have any idea just how much systemd is actively *hated* by the people who earn their living by running Linux? What are you offering *us*? Do you *really* want a lot of bad PR, and fewer recommendations?

  55. Where do you draw the infrastructure line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jim,

    You've made a point before that RH is an infrastructure software company, so productizing applications (say, LibreOffice) makes little sense for the company. Nevertheless, IT is truly a stack of abstractions, and one man's application is another man's infrastructure, ultimately all the way to the business and its customers. For example, OpenStack is mostly a bunch of user-space applications, but most IT folks view them as infrastructure upon which business objectives can be met. Contrast that with, say, a CRM system, which is widely viewed by IT folks as an application, but ultimately the non-IT business folks view that much like infrastructure: just stuff that needs to be in place to get "real" work done.

    Given that, how does RH decide where to draw the line on the infrastructure-application spectrum when considering what open-source projects it will productize and offer to enterprises? Is there a future where ERP systems, big data analytics tooling, blockchains, or other "applications" from our robust open source communities get concerted, product-based investment and certified offerings from RH? Or is RH content to be a technology plumbing company? (Which is a fine business to be in as RH has so amply proved over the years.)

    Disclaimer: anonymous RH employee here...

  56. Re:Trannys by unixisc · · Score: 1

    I never said it was. Personally, I'm fine w/ that, although many slashdotters would react like Meryl Streep last night and mod me down

  57. What is Red Hat Doing with Artificial Intelligence by buddha379 · · Score: 2

    Artificial Intelligence, in particular Deep Learning, is exploding in popularity, with major companies like Salesforce, Microsoft, Google, and Nvidia openly shifting their entire strategy towards it. The technology is solving real problems, today, like cancer detection and image recognition. Many of the most important projects in AI, like TensorFlow and Theano, are open sourced. Yet it seems like Ubuntu is the lead platform for these new workloads. Many of these projects don't run on even Fedora. Is Red Hat planning to get into the AI game and if so how?

  58. RH an "infrastructure" software company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jim, you've made the point before that Red Hat is an infrastructure software company. Productizing something like Libre Office doesn't necessarily make sense with that understanding. Nevertheless, one man's application is another man's infrastructure, and this is especially true the more you frame it in business terms over technical terms. OpenStack is a bunch of applications that we in IT know really to be infrastructure intended to be tailored to meet business objectives. CRM, on the other hand, is viewed by IT folks as an application, but a sales team simply views it as something needed to be more efficient in their "real" job: infrastructure, if you will.

    Where does Red Hat decide where to draw the line along the infrastructure/application spectrum when considering which open source projects to productize? And how has that decision line changed over the course of your tenure? Are you expecting future changes in that vein? That is, might we see Red Hat certified offerings in ERP, big data, block chain, or other "applications"?

  59. Will Red Hat recover from The Frank Caleron era? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi Jim,

    Will the past appointment of Frank Caleroni be the greatest blunder ever made in the history of Red Hat? Frank Caleroni is gone now, but the damage he has done, and that Red Hat's culture still endures, has been enormous. How will Red Hat ever recover from it?

    As one wrote at Glassdoor:

    'The Frank Caleroni era will go down as the most destructive period in the company's history. Over a mere 18 months, many of the company's brightest leaders were driven out of the organization and replaced by big company groupthinkers who tried to apply a huge company bureaucracy to a thriving, unique mid-sized company in growth phase. In addition, this leadership has actively eliminated US jobs and shipped the work to India. Predictably Red Hat is now facing operational problems that other large companies experienced 10 years ago with this strategy. The once thriving culture has degraded from "I work someplace special" to "this is just another job at a faceless big corporate company." '(December 23, 2016)

    Loosing a unique culture of an Open Organization is easy, maintaining and advancing it is quite hard (look at W. L. Gore and Associates, maintaining a culture is a continuous challenge).

    I Hope Red Hat will regain its unique open culture of the past and not being a '...faceless big corporate company.'

    Good luck with healing Red Hat!

  60. OpenStack vs AWS by resplin · · Score: 1

    How can we improve the future of OpenStack? The dominance of Amazon has challenged the relevance of well funded players like Microsoft, Google, and IBM. How can OpenStack compete? The network effects around a dominant cloud platform threaten to relegate OpenStack to be a long term niche player, like Linux on the desktop. How can we avoid this fate?

  61. Building a strong company by resplin · · Score: 1

    Red Hat has distinguished itself through its commitment to open source and its ability to remain profitable.

    Mike Olson famously said "you can't build a successful stand-alone company purely on open source."[1] He argues that you cannot scale an open source model that does not rely on selling proprietary components because it is too easy for competitors to undercut a vendor's services offerings when they don't have to pay for R&D.

    How do you feel about that assessment? Is Red Hat's success impossible to replicate by other open source companies?

    What advice to you have for building a sustainable business, especially one that is driven by open source values?

    [1] https://www.linkedin.com/pulse...

  62. Recruiting open source talent by resplin · · Score: 2

    As Red Hat has scaled, it has to remain staffed with all types of non-technical business professionals. How do you help these professionals learn to "sell free software"? Has it been difficult to train these professionals on the open source business model?

  63. A better world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hi Jim.
    When I started in computing I had this notion that I was part of something that was making the world a better place. That was 40 years ago and probably based more on the science fiction of the time than reality. Somedays it doesn't feel that way anymore. Technology has come a long way and we have lots of shiny wonderful stuff, but we have a lot of downsides too. (Surveillance to name just one.)
    Do you think you are making the world a better place?

    Thanks for doing this.

  64. Re:RHEL is too static to keep pace with kernel dev by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (Disclaimer: I work at Red Hat on virtualization and kernel)

    The pace of the Linux kernel is too fast for integrating _everything_ that happens in Linux, so we choose selectively what to upgrade in order to have time for integration testing. Stabilizing a new version of the kernel for a RHEL major update can take up to one year, between all the various phases (initial testing, fixing any major regressions before forking, putting finishing touches on features after forking, final integration testing, fixing other bugs after forking).

    However, many drivers and subsystems of the RHEL kernel are updated with every minor update. I'd say that RHEL 7.3 for many important parts of the kernel (filesystems, blk-mq, SCSI, KVM, LVM, etc.) is on par with Linux releases between 4.2 and 4.5, depending on the particular piece you're looking at.

  65. When? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    You've embraced. You've extended. When are you going to extinguish?

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  66. Upsell the TCO for a dynamic portfolio by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    >> He believes that leaders should engage people, and then provide context for self-organizing,

    Definately. The elephant in the room here is that benefit analysis has clearly shown the need for a lazer-focussed pushback. Leaders should be imagineering win-win solutions by doubling down on proactively facilitating a circling of the wagons in order to adopt deep-dive ecosystems that promote a sales-driven call to action.