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Ask Slashdot: Why Do You Care About Tech Conferences?

An anonymous user is "just starting a programming career," and has several questions for Slashdot's readers: What exactly is the role of tech conferences? I always assumed they were mostly for exhibitors to pitch me things, but then what's in it for me? Am I just going there to network, or am I learning new cutting-edge techniques and getting enlightened by awesome training sessions? Or is it just a fun way to get a free trip to Las Vegas?

And then what's in it for my employer, who's paying to send me there? If my boss has to approve the cost of attending a conference, what's going to make him say yes? I mean, do employers really get enough value from that extra conference-only information to justify sending off their employees for several days of non-productivity? (Don't they know all that networking could lead me to job offers from other companies?)

It's always been a little intimidating the way people talk about conferences, like everyone already knows all about them, and drop the conference's name into the conversations like you should already know what it is. I always assumed people just attended only conferences for their current programming language or platform -- but is there more to it than that? What exactly is the big deal?

I'm struggling to even find the right metaphor for this -- is it a live interactive infomercial or a grand gathering of geeky good will? So leave your best answers in the comments. Why do you care about tech conferences?

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  1. obvious by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    Time away from the desk? maybe a new city to check out?

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    1. Re:obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's just an opportinity for the middle management to get drunk with their buddies. You can literally get all the product information, customer experience stories and analyses from the Internet. Hell, often even before the conferences. In my opinion there are very few cases where such trips are useful and justified anymore.

      Ignore all the conference bs and just be fucking awesome in your own area of expertise.

    2. Re:obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      P.S. I wont come back to read an answer, so you can continue to write nonsense.

      Ouch, a hit-and-run comment! I can only assume my comment hit your soft spot. You must be among the middle management I mentioned. You can try to fool yourself, but you can't fool me.

    3. Re:obvious by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In your office it is very easy to get stuck with your own way of doing things and your companies approved products. You could be suffering at your job and you don't know it. Going to these conferences even just visiting the sales booths you get to see what else is out there and how to approach a problem differently. Realizing you may need a new class of products to stay competitive. That is companies pay for people to go to these. Also it gives your company exposure too. Sometimes those vendors may not sell anything to you but can become a partner were you can both expand the customer base.

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    4. Re:obvious by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      am sorry to disappoint you, but not everybody goes there for the drinks, or to meet "buddies". Some people apparently have work ethics...

      First, the drinks are literally the only thing you can't do online, and second, yay for useless religious shibboleths!

      P.S. I wont come back to read an answer, so you can continue to write nonsense.

      Well, you've already written yours, right? ;)

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    5. Re:obvious by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      How about actually sitting in a room with a couple people, face-to-face, and actually having a high-context conversation about: life, careers, technology, interesting work challenges, hell, even about that one time you got blitzed in Montreal, forgot your jacket at the coat check, and then couldn't remember where your hotel was in subzero weather.

      You've basically just rephrased what I said.

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    6. Re:obvious by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      F2F is an overrated waste of time.

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    7. Re:obvious by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Friendship and feelings are not things that add to the bottom line.

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    8. Re:obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Friendship and feelings are not things that add to the bottom line.

      Except they actually are.

      http://www.jstor.org/stable/25...
      http://www.baylor.edu/business...

      But I'm sorry - you were saying something, BB-8?

    9. Re:obvious by locopuyo · · Score: 1

      Conferences give you dedicated time to do all of that though. A lot of people have trouble getting that at work.

    10. Re:obvious by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      You're dismissing the value of those face to face bonding moments

      No, I'm not. We just tend to do that outside of "tech conferences" where I live.

      because you are an autist

      No, I'm not. I had that officially confirmed, actually. Thank you, Mr. Pop Psychiatrist.

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    11. Re:obvious by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Did you read the second link you posted? The second link, #1 and #4 go quite out of the way to point out that instrumentality inserted into friendship HURTS your bottom line.

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  2. Go to the conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it's on your employer's dime.

    For you: fun, broadening, exposure to more of what the industry segment is about, chance to make connections which could prove valuable to your career, opportunities to attend technical seminars or paper presentations which will clue you in to what academia or standards groups are up to.

    For your employer: a way of rewarding selected employees with a nice perk, boosting their morale, gflying the company flag to keep up name recognition with others in the industry, giving them a chance to get a clue about what academia or standards groups are up to.

    1. Re:Go to the conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And return to no work being done so now you are a week behind because you work for a bunch of inept fucktards who let tasks sit instead of doing any of them.

    2. Re:Go to the conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      chance to make connections which could prove valuable to your career,

      Absolutely this bit. Don't underestimate the networking opportunities at these kinds of events. If you go for no other reason than just networking then it's still invaluable.

      If you're not good at networking, then practice and learn before you go.

    3. Re:Go to the conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > How exactly do you "practice networking" if you never talk to people because you're an introvert and, you know, an actual nerd.

      Not by assuming it's impossible because "nerd".

      Ask a co-worker to coffee. Find out about an interesting project in a different area and ping them about finding out more.

    4. Re: Go to the conference by ruir · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Granted, you have conferences *and* conferences.
      Some like Web Summit, are just over hyped bullshit.
      Others, are pretty interesting.
      In the IT field, for instance vmworld, some security and Linux/FreeBSD conferences expose you to a variety of sessions and labs with all the new trends, and booths were you can pretty much talk with much of the hot vendors, with actual technicians and/or experienced old timers from pre-sales to talk with.

    5. Re:Go to the conference by jandersen · · Score: 2

      There may be a deeper value to a company on top of these: Networking. It is important for managers and sales people to have a good network, and looking to the world of science, it is perhaps even more important there; but scientists are less under the yoke of business demands, so can go to some serious nerd fests. The problem, I find, is that because engineering, and especially SW engineering, lies somewhere between business and science, the conferences that you will be allowed to take part in, will too often be what managers and sales people feel comfortable with, which often means that it is too flashy and too light on actual interest to an engineer, and as a result, the people you get to meet are less likely to be the ones you would like to talk to. All in all, conferences are potentially very valuable, but in practice often disappoint. Perhaps we, as engineers, need to be much louder (and more persuasive) about what we would actually like to do at conferences.

    6. Re:Go to the conference by ls671 · · Score: 2

      While at it, ask them for the root password to their environment.

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    7. Re:Go to the conference by unixisc · · Score: 1

      A really moronic assertion. One can work while travelling and address any hot items. The idea that they should not make the trip even if it's needed is inane

      I've attended conferences - CES, ESD and JEDEC. In the case of JEDEC, I had to go w/ my company's proposal and present it to the committee. The agreements are usually made in teleconferences in advance, so the conference is just a way of formally endorsing things that have already been voted on. This was in Toronto, so I did a bunch of work on my laptop during the flight - didn't need internet there - and in the hotel when I wasn't attending the seminars. Had I not gone, the agreements would have gone on w/o us, and our proposal wouldn't have been endorsed as a standard

      The other conferences I've been to involved manning the booth. Usually, if they were in town, it simply meant rotating duties w/ one's colleagues

    8. Re:Go to the conference by unixisc · · Score: 1

      'Insightful' for dragging the president into a topic that has nothing remotely to do w/ him. That's how /. moderation works these days

      If you are at such a conference and are a nerd, a good way to start is to talk to someone at a booth about their product/company, then about your product/company, and then let the conversation escalate to other related topics, so that they get to know you. In the event they see an opening where your experience matches the req, that person gets to recommend you.

    9. Re: Go to the conference by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Conferences about 'hip new things' are a window into what could come next. I recall visiting Bluetooth conferences when that spec was first out, so that our company could sell its flash into Bluetooth modules. Today, you have Bluetooth in laptops, phones, cars, tablets and a wide variety of products. And that'll escalate too, as IoT picks up.

    10. Re:Go to the conference by Frobnicator · · Score: 1

      While at it, ask them for the root password to their environment.

      It is part of pinning them down for coffee. Use real pins, if you have to. And/or the $5 wrench.

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    11. Re: Go to the conference by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      "with much of the hot vendors"- Just remember a vendor that hires hot people to work in the booth, probably has horrid tech that they want to hide behind the sexy.

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    12. Re:Go to the conference by lazyforker · · Score: 1

      The conferences I go to are almost always wrapped around a 5 or 6 day tech training class. The big benefit for my employer is that I can network and recruit while I'm there getting trained. There's enjoyable and informative talks or presentations and often I get some exposure to a new subject.

    13. Re:Go to the conference by mongothesecond · · Score: 1

      You are not sufficiently loaded, comrade. If you can afford time away from your desk, you must have spare cycles to fill.

    14. Re: Go to the conference by ruir · · Score: 1

      hot vendors of the moment in the industry, not sexy babes...

    15. Re:Go to the conference by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Networking is hard, though. People tend to clique with people they already know and it can be tough to break in. In the past I went to a few Sun User Group and Usenix SAGE conferences. Riveting presentations on things like the switches to cat. The booth babe phenomenon wasn't much in evidence yet. More recently went to a few OpenStack Summits. Booth babe dress was regulated but they were still there at a fair number of booths. Blew me away that booths would / could actually serve booze. Did pick up some useful tidbits, but with presentation videos going up on the web eventually one could argue that attendance isn't strictly needed. What was valuable was getting away from home for a few days, keeping my FFM's from expiring, and meeting a few vendor/community folks in person who I'd only talked to voice / electronically before. Another dynamic is that within one's company, it can be seen as a negative if one doesn't want to attend conferences, almost like it's required to be seen as keeping fresh, regardless of the cost and inefficiency. Conferences also have a certain rep for job hunting, and that's another reason I went. Many booths would have "We're hiring!" signs, but when I'd inquire I was brushed off, or told to go to the corporate job site.

  3. I don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm old enough to remember a time where tech conferences were actually useful, when actual techies were present that actually knew about the tech.
    Of course, there were already salespeople there, as well. But both categories knew their stuff:

    One could actually learn something, get good information from insiders, pose and get immediate answers to relevant questions, access that was hard to get otherwise, in those days.

    But it has been decades since that state of things. I have stopped going to tech conferences when they started getting populated by junior sales folks and booth babes only. All you seem to get now is some bored young person handing you a flyer before losing eye contact and returning to whatever is more interesting on that smartphone screen. I'm making it a caricature, but that's what it feels like to someone like me..

    I can get that flyer as a PDF without leaving the office.. and a lot more information, online.. So why bother going to a conference?

    Cheers,
    Anonymous Old Grumpy

    1. Re:I don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tell me more about these "booth babes", good sir.

    2. Re:I don't by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      One could actually learn something, get good information from insiders, pose and get immediate answers to relevant questions, access that was hard to get otherwise, in those days.

      Yes, that's the big difference. Going back maybe 15-20 years, if you wanted to learn a programming language, you bought a book or read the manual or help text that came with your compiler. We did have online programming communities to some extent, but they kept in touch through forums like bulletin boards or electronic mailing lists or Usenet groups. Discussions would take place over days or even weeks instead of the minutes or hours they often last nowadays. Those discussions were usually more civilised than a lot of online forums are today, but there were no YouTube videos of presentations by the key people who actually designed the languages and tools you were using, we had manually curated FAQs instead of the huge Q&A sites like Stack Overflow today, and so on.

      In that context, going to a conference meant an opportunity to meet the experts at the top of a given ecosystem, watch presentations on the next big things they were working on, and even pick up a copy of the new version of your favourite compiler to take back.

      Of course, today, we do have much better online channels. We can watch presentations on YouTube whenever we're ready. We can pose questions in forums and have a fair chance that more experienced programmers will answer them within minutes, and we can collaborate with other leaders in close to real time if we're in that expert position for some particular subject ourselves. We can share code snippets for peer review, download the latest tools, or upload our contributions to community projects. And we can do all of these things from the comfort of our own homes/offices, without worrying about where we're going to stay overnight, or who's going to look after the kids, or the frustration and abuse that is common with long distance travel in the 21st century.

      In short, most of the key advantages conferences used to have don't really matter any more, and business travel isn't what it used to be either. Some people argue that they're still worthwhile for "networking", whatever that means. I'm pretty sure I have far more opportunities to connect with other people who share my interests online today than any conference ever offered, though.

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    3. Re:I don't by shanen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I knew that reply was going to be here, but I feel like you mostly wasted your thoughtful reply on an invisible AC.

      I would say the same thing, but perhaps too briefly as "Improvements in network communications have largely addressed the communications problems that technical conferences used to help with." You didn't mention bandwidth, but I think conferences have also become relatively slow mechanisms when it comes to information exchange. The logistical problems are the same as they ever were and require the same amounts of preparation and lead times. Only the marketing has gotten slicker (but shallower).

      Going meta again, but I think the question would have been more useful with some background about trends in attendance. Maybe they're bigger and better than ever and it's just me who's gotten jaded?

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    4. Re:I don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've been going to embedded Linux conferences for maybe 6yr now. Back then it was four days, multiple co-locs, tons of sponsors, lots of labs, free beer in the expansive afternoon showcase[s], and an all inclusive party with music to tie things up at the end.

      Now it's 3 days, you're lucky if there's a co-loc, only a few sponsors, maybe a dozen tables in the 'showcase', always a few talk spots empty when you get there, a couple labs if lucky, one single free beer ticket, and no party anymore. The attendance is also probably 20% it was 6yr ago. There's rarely an issue getting into a talk because it's full anymore, unlike the days when lennart would show up with any topic and fill an auditorium.

      They're still fun and I still go to them for networking and exposure, but they seem to be changing over the years.

    5. Re:I don't by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Conventions provide surprises. Products you didn't know existed that can be used in your work. Hands-on exposure to competitor's products, so you can see what they've done wrong and improve on what they've done right. Get a feel for what other people think of your company's products. A creative boost. A vacation-like day that's still focused on technology.

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    6. Re: I don't by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      A few of the booth babes are arrogant and resentful of the fact that men find them physically attractive.

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    7. Re:I don't by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >I'm old enough to remember a time where tech conferences were actually useful, when actual techies were present that actually knew about the tech.

      We still have them. You just have to be one of the techies. Once the marketdroids take over, it's expensive and dead. Tech conferences run by techies for techies are cheap and fantastically productive. Crypto conferences provide a pretty rich vein and in the US, the IEEE puts on a lots of events with particular focus. If you can get on the academic retreats and 'summer schools' you have hit paydirt, but you often need to be invited - so write some papers and get them published. The #1 way to get in is to write a paper and get it accepted in a peer reviewed conference.

      It's nice when the only trade stand, out in the corridor, is from an academic publisher pushing low volume math books that are particular to the topic of the conference.

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    8. Re:I don't by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      It's an English word, used with its normal English meaning. If you read more into it than that, maybe I'm not the one with bandwagon issues?

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    9. Re: I don't by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      A few of the booth babes are arrogant and resentful of the fact that men find them physically attractive.

      s/men/nerds/g

      They like it when men find them attractive. They resent attention from nerds, who are beneath them.

      The ones who let it show are how you identify the actual employees of the company who bought the booth. The contractors are professional enough not to let it show (and were hired solely because of their attractiveness, often local hires just for the duration).

  4. Most people don't care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Tech conferences are mainly a PR stunt that generates little to no business to a company. For the most part they are just (unsuccessful) advertisement which is the reason why they are losing popularity and most companies are only attending one a year (if any).

  5. Depends on the conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    System level programmers (OS, codec, driver, browser, compiler, etc...) don't benefit much from conferences. But people closer to the IT level do. For example, I am a former system level developer and now am writing IT automation systems. Without conferences, I would lack access to resources of information from companies like Microsoft and Cisco regarding automation tools and APIs.

    A great example would be Powershell DSC which is like Puppet, Chef or Ansible but likely to be supported for the next 20 years. Powershell DSC has tons of documentation, but there is no training or structured books on the topic which are relevant to current versions.

    I can spend 1000 hours figuring it out or I can go to Microsoft Build or Ignite and corner a developer from the team and get it spelled out to me in 10 minutes.

    While I'm at the show, I can learn that 125,000 lines of code and 6 months of work I have planned for the year which I'll have to support already exists but isn't obvious where it could be found.

    So, for $10,000 for plane tickets, hotel, food, show entrance, etc... I can probably save my company $100,000.

    Oh, and of course while I'm there, I can build my social network and find like minded individuals.

    1. Re:Depends on the conference by tigersha · · Score: 2

      The conferences also give you a heads-up in the direction and new features products go. I have attended talks about things that makes me understand better WHY a product was designed the way it was, the sort of thing you would not get from a manual

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    2. Re:Depends on the conference by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm a kernel developer and things like X.Org Developer's Conference and Embedded Linux Conference are pretty useful for me to go to, and for the same reasons you cited. Also, we get to meet other vendors and get contacts to start things like plugfests.

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    3. Re: Depends on the conference by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      It's primarily my fault, the thousands of developers on LKML bear no responsibility.

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  6. Knowledge by MasseKid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's all about knowledge. The technical talks are rarely, if ever worth attending. Let's face it, now one is going to give out trade secrets in those things. At best, they are a minor muse towards how you could do something. The real benefits in conferences is seeing things you didn't know existed. Do you need a 10+2 1/10G ethernet, mil-rugged, layer 3 switch in a forum factor the size off your fist? If you do, then hell knowing the right company is the difference between a project going bust and making it. Conferences are about sharing knowledge of the technology that exists that you don't know about, not about saving costs on commodity items. No one is going to go to a conference and say "zomg, I just saved my company 50% on the price of steel!".

    1. Re:Knowledge by aldousd666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True, but you're speaking only from a hardware perspective. I have been to 'good conferences' where they have talks that spark me to research new ideas that eventually lead to productive lines of inquiry (RailsConf or in a previous life, PDC) and ones that are just advertisements or feature "Touchy Feely" talks about programmer sentiment and egos (RubyConf, total Yuck.) The ones that make me think, or research, are worth it. Even some of the keynotes (RailsConf 2016, keynote by Paul Lamere, from Spotify, fired my imagination and prompted me to take 6 months of courses on Big Data and Machine learning, which will eventually pay my employer dividends and then some,) by big names in their fields are worth the entire costs. It just means you need to know where to go, and what to look for, and what to avoid. Talks about diversity for the sake of coloration, or whatever, are little more than rants about unfairness, which leads to nothing company 'costs' if you buy in to them. But ones about how they take advantage of technologies (like one I saw [by a woman, speaking of diversity, which didn't even mention the fact that she was a woman -- BECAUSE THAT ISN'T THE IMPORTANT PART] about how Github used the Scientist gem to migrate their entire security structure without any downtime...) they can lead to local 'breakthroughs.' My advice is to stay away from 'touchy feely' conferences about developers and how they 'feel' at work, and to go to those that focus on the actual state of technology and what's out there and how to use it for your own personal, professional, and business's growth. Being around people who care about the same things, especially when those things are putting numbers on the board, is a great thing. NOT ALL CONFERENCES ARE CREATED EQUAL. That's just how it is. Do your research up front.

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    2. Re:Knowledge by krakrjak · · Score: 1

      This! A Ton! I get a lot out of scientific conferences for this reason exactly. I go to SIGPLAN conferences to see what is out there. To get a glimpse of what is just now becoming understood in a way that will be applicable to my work in the future. Sometimes, that future is closer than I initially think.

      Continuing to expose yourself to new ideas in the field keeps you sharp. Exposure to the creators of libraries and tools can keep you grounded as well. Also, depending on your interests and the presenters sometimes you can find a mentor as well.

    3. Re:Knowledge by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

      Let's face it, now one is going to give out trade secrets in those things.

      Not trade secrets, but non-public information is possible. Apple's WWDC is famous for working like that. Most of the sessions are under NDA, and it's when they present all the new technologies that will be coming in future OS updates. If you want to find out about those technologies in advance, going to the conference is really useful.

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  7. Conferences fucking suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Though I've only been to one. Basically the headliner(s) masturbate on stage while the audience crowds around and oohs and ahhs.

    1. Re:Conferences fucking suck by trash+eighty · · Score: 1, Redundant

      That sounds better than the conferences i've been to, what one was it? I must attend next time...

  8. A step back to see the big picture by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the days of going to tech conferences just to see vendors are long gone. Most I've been to have either a handful or no vendors.

    The reason I like going to tech conferences, is actually to take a step back from day to day work in the industry and think about larger trends. Where is your field going? What is the leading edge of things being done? Do you agree with the common assessment about ways to approach solving problems?

    Basically, to think and inspire new ideas...

    Also of course there are the people. You can't really know until you get to any given conference what the people that attend are like, but to to as many people as you can. The parties (if they are parties) are nice, but more spectacle and harder to talk to people at - find people between sessions and talk to them, just say hi and ask them what they are working on and why they are there.

    When I say talk to as many as you can, listen to Clint Eastwoon and "know your limitations". For a lot of us social interaction is draining so if you've maxed yours out, don't feel bad not chatting for a while. Do what you can.

    These days more and more content is online or streamed so there may not be as much reason to go. But it's still good to just have that break from work and routine, otherwise the videos may be there but you will not watch them or really pay attention they way you do if you are there.

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    1. Re:A step back to see the big picture by aldousd666 · · Score: 1

      I agree with this. I have been inspired by speakers at conferences. I have even learned a few things. And all of them were technology related. You just have to do your research up-front and know if you're in for a techie conference, or one that's only ostensibly techie, and is instead about tech culture. The cultural ones are nearly complete garbage, while the tech ones can be entirely inspiring.

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  9. Back in the day it was a vacation by Snotnose · · Score: 3, Informative

    It was a reward for getting stuff done.

    In the 80's I wanted to go to a Usenix conference in Mission Valley. Boss said "why would I send you there". Me: "because for the past 3 years you've sent me to a week long conference in Vegas that I didn't want to go to and couldn't contribute". Boss: "But your good at what you do (telemetry), and I thought you liked those trips. Me: I don't gamble, I don't deal with customers well, I hate crowds. Boss: No.

    Ended up paying the entrance fee myself and taking vacation days.

    Did I mention Mission Valley was 10 miles from my condo? No airfare, no hotel, no food chits? Something like $60 and a couple days off, and I learned more at that damned USENIX than I did in 8 years of that stupid show in Vegas.

    Best show? Got an all expense paid show to New Orleans, before Katrina. What sucked? Took the wife. I'd do the show, get to the hotel, and say "Ya know, I'd like to see foo" . Her response? "I saw foo yesterday, what else do you wanna see?".

    Of course, back then companies would reserve 3-5 airplane seats 6 months in advance, then a couple days before the show decide who got to go. That all ended well before 9/11 when airlines decided they could charge fees for changes.

    1. Re:Back in the day it was a vacation by ruir · · Score: 1

      Here if I choose to go to a conference paid with my own pocket, it is considered training nonetheless, and I do not use vacation days.

  10. Here are the criteria I use to tell if I care by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've gone to quite a few different events (both as an attendee and as a speaker), including free events, pricey events, events where I went for my own reasons, events where I went for an employer or a client, etc.

    Here are the criteria I have found that help me judge whether I should really care about the specific conference:

    • Cost: cheaper is better, because if the event costs $$$ to attend you know you are getting the business-only crowd where most of them have expense accounts, or plenty of manager-types, or any of a number of other elements that make the conference decidedly less "tech" (sweet spot is $0-$100)
    • Size: too small and you might not get much out of it, too big and you definitely won't get much out of it (sweet spot: 100-1000 attendees, though the number of sessions, tracks, etc., plays an important role as well)
    • Schedule: if it is on a weekend, you know it is all about people who love/enjoy the topic so much that they give up their own free time to hang out with a bunch of other people who are similarly inclined; if it is during the week it is an expensable business boondoggle, though there are some exceptions that I can think of, like DebConf (sweet spot: weekend events)
    • Bonus: If John "Maddog" will be there, you probably want to go, and if he will be speaking (as he often does) you would be a fool to miss it

    For me, this mostly means that I end up attending events that resemble meetups, Linuxfest-type, coding workshops, hackathons, etc. While some of them do have vendors, the type of events which I favor make it pretty easy to stick to the "interesting" parts and avoid the vendors altogether.

    Of course, if you want to just go and socialize, just about any event will end up with groups of people that skip all the sessions and do nothing but talk.

    1. Re:Here are the criteria I use to tell if I care by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I like this list a lot, I disagree with one point though: I don't find he weekend thing matters at all, plenty of devoted people will also go during the week as well. They may be taking vacation to do so which is even more impressive than taking a weekend... I think all of my favorite conferences have been mostly during the week.

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    2. Re:Here are the criteria I use to tell if I care by ruir · · Score: 1

      Thanks about reminding me about DebConf...Pity I missed last year, this year location is not that appealing.

  11. Depends on the community by Natales · · Score: 2

    If you go to a conference that is part of an active community, the biggest benefit IMHO is the human networking. Get to mingle with people who share your interests, values and ideas, and learn from others, teach what you know, and just get to have interesting discussions that can influence the direction of the project.

    In my 29 years in the industry, I've attended many, many conferences. They all have their peak years and peak value, until they don't. Some communities just grow too large and become too broad. Networld+InterOp was one of my favorites to attend back in the 90s, but they grew too much and became too dominated by vendors. Sadly, the same has been going on with the OpenStack community in recent years, with the additional annoyance of petty fights about direction.

    The folks at the Cloud Foundry Foundation keep their conferences deliberately small and targeted to the core audience, which makes them much more enjoyable, although it becomes harder to get talks accepted.

    And let's face it, some conferences (particularly vendor conferences) are not very valuable, but they throw great parties, with lots of swag, free booze and just plain fun with single-serving friends. Those also have their niche, and there is nothing wrong with that either.

    Just be clear what do you (or your employer) want to get out of the conference and go from there.

  12. Knowledge sharing by zennling · · Score: 1

    It might be through the technical track, or it might be through networking, but you may learn how to do something you have always done one way, in a different, better way. OR you may tell somebody else the cool thing that you have done, and they think 'Wow thats so much better than our existing process!'
    The sharing of idea's can pay off handsomely.

  13. All of those things and more by Rophuine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Am I just going there to network, or am I learning new cutting-edge techniques and getting enlightened by awesome training sessions? Or is it just a fun way to get a free trip to Las Vegas?

    Yes. You're going there to network - not just with companies who might hire you away, but with potential future colleagues you might help to recruit. You're going to talk to other attendees about what they're doing, compare notes on what works and what doesn't, and meet subject-matter experts who you can tweet if you get stuck. You're going to get invited to the local tech community Slack, where you can do all of the above (and more) even after the conference is over.

    You might well be enlightened by the sessions - you'll probably run into at least a few things you didn't know about before. You're unlikely to learn all the details, but you'll at least find out that the thing exists, and probably enough information to decide whether it's worth investigating further at work (or away from work). Speaking of away from work, it's likely to pique your interest about things which aren't relevant at work (yet), possibly enough that you'll investigate them on your own time.

    The free trip to Vegas (/ wherever) shouldn't be ignored. Having a good time, and associating that good time with work having paid for it, shouldn't be under-valued - it's likely to be reflected in your productivity and loyalty.

    Many of these things are great for your employer as well as for you. What manager doesn't want a team filled with well-connected, loyal, enthusiastic developers who are interested in the latest developments in tech and may well do some learning on their own time as well?

  14. My Personal Value by darkain · · Score: 1

    For me, I've been able to have booths to demo software systems that my team and I work on. Having them at shows is similar to running focus group tests. We let people try out the software with limited or no instruction whatsoever to observe how each person uniquely uses the software, we see what is confusing for users, and what we can do to improve their overall experience. For us, it is all about user experience when it comes to shows, it is an invaluable resource to see people interacting naturally, instead of in a scripted way or waiting for bug reports that may never come in (especially for UX issues)

  15. Time by cerberusss · · Score: 1

    For some reason, I simply don't make the time to really dive into certain subjects. With a conference, I often come to the US and leave the family in Europe. So there's nothing else that draws away the focus. Lots of times with iOS conferences, you can book a day with an intensive workshop before the talks start, and that's really nice as well.

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  16. Unconferences and informal conferences by hughbar · · Score: 1

    I'm a 40-year industry 'veteran' and have been to a great many conferences. In the main, my employers paid for (usually) expensive tickets.

    However, I often find nowadays that the informal ones, self-organised unconferences, open-source meetups are a great deal better. We talk about things that concern and are useful to us as equals rather than being sold products and being lectured to by 'thought leaders', 'evangelists' and 'horizon scanners' (whatever they are, I'm joking, before anyone tells me). Immediately I see the choppy two-hand motion and the inevitable outpouring of buzzwords, I know I'm in the wrong place. As for the networking, that's often fairly cynical.

    Better, because I'm a Brit, I've been going to and (in one case) organising some Raspberry Pi Jams: https://www.raspberrypi.org/ja... for kids, parents and teachers etc. The levels of enthusiasm and expertise in these put some of the 'professional' ones to shame, ok, agree, that's slightly off-topic. There's a few Saturday the 11th too, look at the calendar further down the page.

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  17. Most are shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is a HUGE industry for putting on conferences. I work for a guy who does this as an additional job 3 months out of the year and pulls in $100k for about 50 hours of work organizing it.

    The vast majority of conferences are built on this:

    1. someone wants to make bank by charging companies 300-1000$ per visit (which is chump change), so they put out a call for "experts";
    2. "experts" send in proposals (often paying 3000-7000$ for prime speaking slots), but the funny part is, you don't HAVE to be expert. There is almost zero vetting of speakers.
    3. These "experts" get to put a line item on their LinkedIn that says "Speaker at Conference X Y Z".
    4. Audience members are usually clueless, and there is very much a "rock star" aura where the audience thinks the person on stage is some kind of authority. Truth be told, most speakers don't know about their topic until a few months before and they just send a proposal and learn on the fly. VERY FEW ARE EXPERTS. (I know this because I have spoken at several, and I've joked with other speakers about how we pulled the title out of our butts, slapped together some slides after googling, and got our company to pay the speaker fee.)
    5. Audience members tell their manager that there is some conference with a name related to their job, and since it is basically a free vacation most employees get per year, blammo, $1k entry fee done and done

    So you get a few dudes pumping money into marketing for a bogus new conference, you get half-assed "experts" who want to pad their resumes, and you get somnambulistic cube-drones getting their corps to shell out for an overpriced ticket to a mediocre event so they can have a half-assed vacation.

    The content is shit, the organizers make a fucking FORTUNE, and the speakers get a gold star on their resume regardless of how little they know.

    There are some good ones, like SigGraph and ISCCC but the vast majority are shit.

    1. Re:Most are shit by ruir · · Score: 1

      I attended a few security conferences in the past where some of the talks were on this line...others talks not so much. With a good agenda, a good tech can discern which ones are basically fluff/bullshit.
      For instance, they would not caught me dead in websummit, even less by the kind of money they are asking
      There are also other conferences where definitively it is not like that.

  18. Stuff to learn by amigabill · · Score: 1

    I paid my own way to an embedded CPU vendor conference. Learned about heir new high-end processors at the time, and also took some nice high-preformance BCB design courses. Didn't network with others at all, and had nothing to do with my day job, just stuff I was that interested in.

  19. That is a great point by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    A few things about culture can be OK, hard to have a modern conference without them - but you want a conference that at the core has some technically impressive material. You can usually tell either from the schedule for the conference, or the schedule from past conferences f there's not one up yet.

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  20. Conferences are an investment in your employees by lordlod · · Score: 1

    Some conferences are great for sharing ideas, meeting people in the field and learning some really awesome stuff. Most of these make recordings of the talks available but being there and being able to chat to a speaker over breakfast or a talking with someone over a beer who is tackling the same problems you are can be invaluable. You learn about new techniques, new approaches, the latest trick from field Y which may be applicable to your field X and just have a really good time.

    Some conferences are shit money grabs which operate as scams and should be avoided. As a hint, look at the reputation for the conference and who is paying. If companies can buy ('sponsor') speaker slots then you are going to be subjected to sales pitches.

    A good employer wants a happy employee that grows within the company, expanding their skills and adding more value over time. They can't be too concerned that you will get poached, if you are not happy you are going to leave anyway. Sending you to a conference is a way of investing in you, increasing your skill level and making you a more valuable employee.

    1. Re:Conferences are an investment in your employees by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      And if that's what you hire, that's what you get.

      I know, there is this story floating that companies only hire the cheapest idiots for the jobs, and yes, those companies exist. And as usual, you get what you pay for. Just like when you buy the cheapest, crookedest hardware, what you get is an insecure mess that may or may not work for more than the warranty period requires.

      I hire quality, I pay for quality and I get quality. I expect a lot and I offer a lot. So far I haven't met a developer or security person whose willingness to learn surpassed my willingness to send him to a SANS or ICS course.

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    2. Re:Conferences are an investment in your employees by ruir · · Score: 1

      I would never hire a "consultant" from companies that put out adverts asking for "juniors"...if they treat they employees like shit, I do not expect so much good service from them. It is also no small wonder that they leave as soon they get enough experience to be of value to someone else.

    3. Re:Conferences are an investment in your employees by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      We do actually have juniors, but we don't send them to our customers. There's plenty of internal work to do and a lot of research necessary, and that way they get that "where do I find information?" skill honed that gets more and more important.

      When I send a consultant to a customer, I want him to be exactly the right person for the job. We have various specialists depending on what you're looking for and I think if I ask more money per day from you than your average worker makes a month, I would say that you deserve to get perfection. Or at least as close as one can get to it.

      Reputation goes a long, long way in this business. There ain't that many high level security consulting companies around and even fewer are the good security consultants. And getting one to work for you doesn't only depend on money.

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    4. Re:Conferences are an investment in your employees by ruir · · Score: 1

      True indeed. It depends on the market, the company, and the local culture. Some companies here in Portugal do have a bad rap.

  21. Access to speakers by orin · · Score: 1

    Depends on the conference, but at many sessions will be given by people who are prominent in whatever community the conference is about. Depending on the speaker, you can ask questions during or after the session. But what's really important to understand is that most conferences make a big thing about speakers being accessible to attendees. So if you are attending a conference where there is a speaker who is really knowledgeable about something you want to ask questions about, ping them on some form of social media and ask if you can have some time with them. Many speakers make themselves available for just this sort of thing during conferences and it's surprising how many attendees never take advantage of the opportunity.

  22. Two Words... by nateman1352 · · Score: 1

    I don't.

  23. A cheap way to give employees a "hug" by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    Conferences are basically just a day off. No employer sets any expectations from conference attendance (except maybe to ensure that you bring back the conference material - to prove you actually went) and they seem to be used as treats for the non-essential staff that an employer can afford to be without for a few days.

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    1. Re:A cheap way to give employees a "hug" by ruir · · Score: 1

      If you only send non-essential staff, alas, if you have non-essential staff that cannot be 3 days off, or cannot have holidays you are doing something wrong...
      Plus nowadays there is something called "the Internet"...in the last vmworld, at the lunch interval I connected myself to the office, and did a 1h emergency intervention.
      I know, it boggles the mind...
      P.S. Would not cross your mind, the "essential" personnel is the one that deserves it, and needs to upgrade their knowledge to keep on top of things?

  24. before google, and the internet, they were amazing by crispytwo · · Score: 1

    Seriously, the tides have shifted.

    A conference is mostly a place for marketing folks to get an idea of what people are peddling. It's a bazaar.

    this can be valuable to you and your employer in 2 obvious ways.
    1) you will come across products that you would otherwise not search for.
    2) your employer will learn about how your product(s) suit the current market.

    If neither of these things are something you or your employer care about, then they are useless.

    When I send people I ask for 2 things:
    1) find one gem of the shared knowledge in the sea of presentations that you can learn from
    2) identify the closest competition and see what they are doing different

  25. Too vendor focused... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    I used to like to attend conferences because they were user focused. Meaning the end-users would deliver the majority of the presentations on what they did with X and lessons learned, pitfalls avoided etc etc...

    Now most of the sessions are a vendor pitching some product and feature set.

    I've seen way better content with local Meetups than the larger conferences.

  26. IEEE by sanf780 · · Score: 1

    I went to ISSCC once. The 20 minute talks only cover a very tiny portion of the whole design, and details are usually missing. However, they can put you on track on what are the usual approach for a given problem, if not showing you something different. The forums - series of longer informative tasks - were far way more interesting. Networking is something that people do in these conferences, too. Including people in your own large company.

  27. It depends on the confrence by jonwil · · Score: 1

    If its something like CES then its one giant infomercial, if its something like DefCon or CCC then its well worth it.

  28. Re:Promotional Models (was: Re:I don't) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... directly interacting with potential customers...

    Yes, that sounds interesting. What does this direct interaction mean, in practice?

  29. Simple by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Easy credits to keep my certifications.

    You see, to retain security certifications, you either have to show some training, or some publication, or you have to go to security conferences.

    Take a wild guess what's the easy way out.

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    1. Re:Simple by joboss · · Score: 1

      I thought it was for the freebies including this little trianglar sandwiches.

  30. Re:One word. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Dude... I don't know how to break this to you but... you sure it was chicks? Freaks, I agree, but ... I've had my share of tech conferences, the the freaks have way more land mass below than above the equator, if you catch my drift.

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  31. ONE WORD: by Quakeulf · · Score: 1

    Networking.

  32. I don't by Dmitri_Yuriescu · · Score: 1

    I find the news coming out of conferences are very rarely interesting. What most others seem to be commenting and what the question really is on inspection beyond the headline is, they like to go when their boss pays the trip. That's something else I would probably enjoy myself. But I wouldn't count on getting something valuable from it, really. Except for extremely narrow focus events with classes etc.

  33. Because I get to meet other people of my field ..? by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Captain Obvious strikes again!

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  34. Re:If you have to ask... by ruir · · Score: 4, Informative

    I had the luck to work for a consulting outfit where my direct manager sent me to all conferences he could (actually several a year), to in his words "broaden my horizons". After all his years, I am the proof he was right.
    While sending guys early in his career does not seem beneficial, believe me it is. He helped me achieve a certain place, and in exchange, I also helped the firm secure several businesses in a market abroad.

  35. My take by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 2

    What exactly is the role of tech conferences?

    To establish new business connections. To discover new trends/solutions/ideas which you might have missed due to being busy. To talk to your purveyors and discuss the things in person which are difficult to discuss over the phone/e-mail.

    And then what's in it for my employer, who's paying to send me there?

    Likewise.

  36. Simply. by joboss · · Score: 1

    Because I'm so ronry!

  37. stuff to do.... by smithcl8 · · Score: 1

    I've always made a checklist of "TO-DOs" to take from the conference to at least try out when I got back. These could include some product demos for things I hadn't seen before, or little tips that I could roll out the next week. I've gone to a show ever year for the past 4 years, while never having gone to one the previous 10. Beyond direct learning, the networking is amazing. With a little effort, you can build a network not just for your own career, but for bouncing ideas or looking for assistance in your current job. I find that they are totally worth it. They are NOT easy....you spend a lot of hours learning and meeting people. You can make it a boondoggle, but if you put forth a little effort, you will learn more in a week than you will learn the rest of your year.

  38. Benefits by shortscruffydave · · Score: 1

    Stuff I've gotten from conferences I've attended over the last few years (in no particular order) - Learned stuff from good quality presenters - Learned how to do good presentation using PowerPoint, instead of usual Death By PPT (the speakers/experts at the conferences I've gone to have been very good both technically and as presenters) - Picked up a few shiny things from trade stands alongside the main conference - Free beer and food at post conference networking sessions - Chance to travel to new places, and try to fit in a bit of exploration I don't think you'll ever go to a conference where every last minute is of value to you, but there should be some things that you can take away and get benefit from after the conference. The big challenge is trying to express that with some form of tangibleness so that you can persuade your boss to pay for your fees, travel, accommodation, etc.

  39. I've been to that one. It's called Internext by raymorris · · Score: 2

    I've been to an industry conference which included Ron Jeremy shooting a porno at one of the after parties. It's called Internext (formerly IA2000). It's the online porn convention. The booth babes aren't random models hired for the show, they are the porn stars who actually work for (and occasionally own) the companies at the booths. Everybody who was anybody in porn was there. (This was several years ago, I don't know what attendance is like now.)

    One year, they had us split between two conference rooms at opposite ends of the casino, so to get from one session to the next 1,000 porn people, including a couple hundred models, would walk in masse through the casino to the other conference room. The looks we got from some of the casino patrons were priceless.

  40. Training for the more experienced by redelm · · Score: 1
    In any technical field, conferences are the "Training" component for the more experienced, just as classes/CBT are for the less experienced. "When you stop learning, you start dying".

    A bigger problem is "bean-counteritis", an endemic loss of vision and courage in management position-holders. Entrepreneurialism and indeed all capitalism is based on taking selected risks. If you only bet on documented sure things, poor returns are guaranteed.

  41. Any particular type of conference? by ET3D · · Score: 1

    Conferences like GDC can teach you a lot about various aspects of your trade you didn't even know mattered. Other conferences are researchers telling what they're doing. Other conferences are for companies to sell you on their latest tech and dev tools. While benefits such as networking and taking time off work are true to all of them, each of these types are different in other value they provide and highly depends on what you do in your work and what you're interested in.

  42. Re:real employers pay you to go to conferences ? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Being present lets you participate in any question and answer segments after a talk, rather than just watching.

  43. Re: One thing by jitterman · · Score: 1

    "You seem to be having trouble managing Tourette's Syndrome. Can I help you with that?"

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  44. Two words by DougDot · · Score: 2

    Booth Babes.

  45. All about learning what I've done wrong by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    The number one thing I always get from conferences (programming) is I learn about everything I've been doing wrong for the past year, and how I should be doing them in the future.

    When you work primarily as an individual, it's easy to lose track of the modern way of doing things. Conferences really help redirect you to doing things the right way.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  46. The Win-Win-Win Tax Free Income by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    If you want a bonus of $1'000 from your employer, and your employer pays you $1'000, the first thing that happens is your employer then gets to pay another ~25% of employer taxes on salaries. The second thing that happens is you get to pay another ~40% of income tax.

    So, that $1'000 costs your employer $1'250, and you only get to keep $600.

    On the other hand, if you employer spends that $1'000 to send you to vegas, your employer gets to write it all off as an expense, so it's tax free to him. You don't pay any tax on it at all. The conference organizers get the $1'000, and they pay the tax on it -- in theory, in practice every conference loses money on paper.

    So the real question is this: why do you want tho $1'000 bonus? If you want to brag that you got $1'000, then you want the money. But if you plan to spend that money on something, then you'll always be better off having your employer purchase it for you -- simply so that cash doesn't trade hands, triggering taxes to be incurred.

    So let's close the loop here. You want more money so you can afford to take your family on a vacation to las vegas. You find a conference to attend, your employer sends you, pays for the hotel room, and a first-class flight, and the conference ticket. You trade the first-class ticket for four couch tickets, you take your family to the same hotel room, you attend a few hours of a conference, your family vacations for free.

    And we can add another few "win"s to the pile. The conference organizers make money, and the sponsors get to advertize to you, las vegas tourism now gets your whole family.

    And even the government tax department wins in the end. If you'd received the cash, you'd have saved it, not spent it immediately. Instead, the $1'000 got spent instantly, and increased tourism, and three businesses (countless if you multiply every business in the conference). And your family's on vacation, undoutedly spending money at every turn.

    The government wants you to spend your money instantly. That's what runs economies.

    So, the next time you sit down to negotiate terms with your employer, do whatever you can to avoid asking for money. Ask for the things that you'll do with that money. For example:

    You don't want $500. You want a company-purchased phone, that they'll "own" but never touch, never see, and write-off six-months later as being obsolete.

    You don't want $15'000 either. You want a budget to renovate your home office, as a home office, with a nice desk, bookshelves, flooring, paint, artwork. You certainly do work at home some reasonable amount of time, and during emergencies, and when you're on-call.

    You don't want $1'500 either. You want your employer to cover your gas/car expenses to commute in to the office.

    You don't want $250 either. You want a company-billed meal at the keg when you spend five hours over drinks with your friends (also colleagues).

    You pay tax on things that you get to call "yours". But if you don't care about what it's called, and you don't mind using things that are, in every sense of the words, owned by your employer, then you'll get to use a lot more.

    Think about it this way -- going to the keg for a great meal, twice a week, with the colleagues that you like, often with families included, sounds like a great life. Add some shop-talk to it, and it becomes a business conference. Include families, and it becomes a longer business conference.

    Tell your employer that he can deduct the cost of those keg meals from your salary, and everybody wins -- assuming you enjoy the keg.

    To be clear, different cities/provinces/states/countries have different percentages and different rules about what can and cannot be fully written off (my geography only allows 50% of meals, for example). So you get to navigate what is and what is not profitable.

    Again, to be crystal clear, the idea here is not to illegally get away with not paying taxes. The idea here is to choose the lifestyle to which fewer taxes

    1. Re:The Win-Win-Win Tax Free Income by hackel · · Score: 1

      Either use a comma (U.S.) or full stop (Europe) to separate the hundreds place in numbers, not an apostrophe. I have never seen anyone do this before.

    2. Re:The Win-Win-Win Tax Free Income by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      You have seen this before. If you speak (and read) english. My numerals were not numbers, they were spoken words. In the english language, an apostrophe stands for unspoken words.

      One million, three-hundred thousand, fifteen dollars, is written as $1'300'015 because the first apostrophe stands for the word "million" and the second stands for the word "thousand".

      To be clear, the apostrophe can stand for individual letters (e.g. the "o" that is not in "don't") or even for multiple words, (e.g. "n the" removed from 4 o'clock).

      Your comma, as in $1,000 is erroneous within any international forum as it is a decimal indicator in most french-speaking languages -- as in $2,99 for two dollars and ninety-nine cents. Obviously a period is equally erroneous in the reverse scenario. Of course, a space is ambiguous where one number may be seen as a list.

      So, as usual, where there is no formally enforced formatting structure (as is the case across international boundaries, such as this one) especially across disciplines (such as this one), and especially wherein the very nature of the discourse varies from moment to moment (again, such as this one), written language must always serve its most essential role -- to document the spoken word: speech.

      When spoken, such as these conversations would be if they were done in-person, "$1'000.00" would be spoken aloud as "one thousand dollars and zero cents". As such, the apostrophe is required, in order to replace the spoken word "thousand".

      If, on the other hand, you were to speak "one three zeroes dollars", then you might transcribe that as "$1,000". Perhaps "$1.000" would be transcribed as "one point zeros". I'm not really sure.

      So, in short, you absolutely have seen the apostrophe used before, and I am using it in precisely that manner, and for that very same purpose.

      Also, in short, as a discussion forum, we utilize the written word as a mere transcription of the spoken word, for in the absense of any agreed-upon formal structure, numbers would have no direct meaning (just as numbers alone never do). As such, these transcriptions are merely a substitute for spoken word, and as spoken word, the apostrophe is the only correct punctuation.

      Alternatively, of course, one could transcribe "$1'000" as 1 thousand dollars, though that would be as obscene, perhaps as $1 thousand, for obvious reasons.

      Interestingly, as is obvious from my initial discourse, my use of numbers was purely conversational, as not a single one related to anything, and hence could have been replaced with any other number of similar magnitude.

    3. Re:The Win-Win-Win Tax Free Income by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      Heh, I guess I mean a first-class seat on a commercial flight. Although, there used to be a business-class seat, though I haven't seen one in a while.

      Alternatively: if you have to ask, you can't afford it.

    4. Re:The Win-Win-Win Tax Free Income by Cute+Fuzzy+Bunny · · Score: 1

      Me neither, Nor can I find anyone else using it or anything that defines it, despite working with international companies for decades.

  47. Re:Pope John Paul II - Burning in HELL by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    for the Bible condemns all of us as guilty, dirty, rotten, hell-deserving sinners

    That is why any person who doesn't want to spend his life suffering the horrors of unearned guilt rejects Christianity from the outset. "Proud" and "free" belong together; stand on your own outside the prison of religion.

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  48. Yeah by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    The same reason as any other conference. Company paid booze, drink, and hoes.

  49. A Good Conference Helps Everyone by Edrick · · Score: 1

    As a conference organizer, I can attest to the value of a tech conference if there are educational/tech sessions ad guests that are useful to you. Ie, ones you'll learn some useful skill or get ideas for further research.

    Many big conferences turn into parties where the sessions are generic/dull and it's a sales-pitch for either the conference organizers or the vendors. I don't need to attend another session about "Why XYZ is awesome". I want to know how it's awesome and see demos of what it is capable of so that it can blow my mind.

    At a good conference:
    Attendees can learn useful skills or get worthwhile ideas from tech sessions, learn about new technologies, industry trends, etc...
    Sponsors gain viewership & notice by everyone involved.
    Vendors can get their products in front of a crowd of people from their industry.
    Speakers improve their brand and public speaking skills.
    Networking (an often ugly word) consists of meeting and talking to people in roles like your own and learning how they solve problems you may also encounter.

    Your employer stands to gain from sending you to the conference in that you'll learn/network, which makes you a better employee, and will probably have some fun, making you a happier employee. The worst thing for them is to maintain a fleet of employees that stagnate and don't learn new skills.

  50. CPE hours and partying? by Midnight_Falcon · · Score: 1
    From my perspective, many conferences pander to two things:
    • * Getting Continuing Professional Education (CPE) hours for those with tech certifications
    • * Giving an opportunity to use company money to party while justifying it as "educational"

    Sure, there are nebulous opportunities for "networking" and some real learning that goes on, but the prime motivator for many is those two items. The rest of it is just the official stuff you have to do in order to get those items.

  51. Manufacturers are sitting ducks by chiefscienceofficer · · Score: 1

    Remember that upgrade you were promised last year or the bug you have been working around for 3 months? Well the tech conference is the perfect time to get to person at a vendor who is in a position to resolve your issue. I always have a list of things to discuss with each vendor I visit. Some have even asked me to leave the booth as I am "scaring the other customers". :-) And the other key purpose is ideas. Hopefully, you will be exposed to the latest products and thinking in your area and that should give you some ideas to take back. Sure there is all the networking stuff and drinking with colleagues but a far as pitching attendance to your employer, those are the key points to cover that will add value for your attendance. Who knows? You might even learn something or at the very least hear what your competitors are saying.

  52. Re: One thing by omnichad · · Score: 1

    lesbo butchy faggets sucking cocks

    I think you've really misunderstood the meaning of some or most of these words.

  53. What conferences have speakers pay? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I don't know which conferences have speakers pay - that seems crazy. I've spoken at a number of conferences and never paid - I always at least got lodging, sometimes airfare, sometimes some small payment in addition.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  54. I don't. Not anymore. by hackel · · Score: 1

    Every tech conference I've gone to has been worthless. I'm not one of these extroverted assholes that talks to strangers and enjoys "networking." I want to go for the talks, but rarely have these talks ever been at or beyond my level, meaning they are boring and redundant for me. I don't claim to be a tech genius or anything, but I find the talks are typically aimed at an extremely novice level.

    Honestly, I feel like the whole thing is a racket, designed to get a free trip out of employers, from the presenters, exhibitors, and employees themselves. Not to mention the companies that put these up typically make quite a lot of money from them. And of course I can appreciate the chance to travel and see some place new, but that's really not a good return on an employer's investment at all.

  55. I'm not a fan of them in general, but .... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I recently attended a Cisco conference and it was helpful. In my case, it was only 20 minutes away from my office, so it didn't cost anything to go. 90% of it was just like people on Slashdot complain about with these conferences ... a lot of bored-looking people manning booths where they just hand you a business card and some pamphlet for hardware you don't need a "contact person" to shop for. (EG. Plantronics was there. Wireless telephone headsets and bluetooth headsets are pretty much commodities these days. If I want a Plantronics product, I'll just order it on Amazon or something. I really didn't need the woman's contact info.)

    But it's that 10% of info that turns out to be a real gem. EG. Had a specific question about the future roadmap for a Meraki product and got Cisco to admit that the current offering was "under-powered" and did, indeed suffer from the complaints we had about it. They said it was on the way out, and they recommended buying a different unit they sell until that update/refresh is made available. That might sound like a "small thing" - but it's the kind of information your salespeople won't usually tell you over the phone when you're ordering, and cemented our strategy to stop buying that one unit.

    Also picked up a flier from a local firm specializing in recovering your whole network and server infrastructure in case you've been hacked. Do I think I'll ever need their services? I sure hope we don't! But that's something nice to file away, as a "just in case". You don't want to have to spend a lot of time finding suitable people to assist with a disaster like that AFTER the fact.

  56. The virtues are many by Cute+Fuzzy+Bunny · · Score: 1

    You get out of town, you get to expense a bunch of meals, you get to hump women from other companies which is way less problematic than humping people at your own workplace, you can get really drunk and not have to face anyone you know who saw it...really the benefits are tremendous.

  57. Meetups by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

    I goto meetups. They are cheaper, takes less of my time and in my area. There it is easy to both find people who are interested in your area (since meetups can be quite focused) and find people who are hiring. You are also more likely to get an interview from a meetup (IMO) because most of the time only people ACTUALLY interested in that field (and not just a paycheck) go to meetups.