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Burger King Won't Take a Hint; Alters TV Ad To Evade Google's Block (washingtonpost.com)

ewhac writes: Earlier this week, Burger King released a broadcast television ad that opened with an actor saying, "Ok, Google, what is the Whopper?" thereby triggering any Google Home device in hearing range to respond to the injected request with the first line from the Whopper's Wikipedia page. Google very properly responded to the injection attack by fingerprinting the sound sample and blocking it from triggering responses. However, it seems Burger King and/or its ad agency are either unwilling or congenitally incapable of getting the hint, and has released an altered version of the ad to evade Google's block. According to spokesperson Dara Schopp, BK regards the ad as a success, as it has increased the brand's "social conversation" on Twitter by some 300%. It seems that Burger King thinks that malware-laden advertising infesting webpages is a perfectly wonderful idea (in principle, at least), and has taken it to the next level by reaching through your TV speakers and directly messing with your digital devices. You may wish to consider alternate vendors for your burger needs.

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  1. BK = BLACKLISTED by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 2, Informative

    BK, your intrusion into my digital devices, has exempted you from EVER receiving my business again. Boundaries guys... Boundaries.

    1. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    2. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who didn't really see this coming? You enabled voice activation... you got "voice" activation. Be careful what you ask for.

    3. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Is it not possible to change the activation phrase for your digital device? It seems to me that leaving it at the default is about as intelligent as leaving the default administrator login and password for a router. Sure, no one should try to take advantage of you, and in an ideal world they wouldn't. However, this isn't an ideal world and hopefully this serves as a lesson to you with little actual harm done. Given that the harm done is essentially minimal, you should probably thank Burger King instead of admonishing them.

    4. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      On some devices, no.
      Amazons Alexa for example has a choice of three words, the alternatives are probably more common in use than alexa.

    5. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's interesting is though Apple's Siri only responds to "hey, Siri," it requires that you train it to your voice. I tried to get my friends iPhone to do something stupid by saying "hey Siri, perform a factory reset" and it didn't even respond with a "I don't understand" response. Since I can't impersonate his voice well, Siri ignores me.

    6. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lighten up. It is harmless and funny. The worst that will happen is your device will tell you what a Whopper is. I would go buy a Whopper today if I wasn't a veggie.

    7. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There have been reports of news reports accidentally activating Alexa. It was a matter of time before someone did it intentionally. While everyone is fussing about Burger King, we're ignoring a bigger issue here. If all your Google Home does is read off the first line of a Wikipedia article, it's annoying, but no real harm was done. What happens if an ad uses it to actually make a purchase or do something else malicious? It's hardly out of the realm of possibility, especially with all of the JavaScript ads that do other malicious things. The problem isn't just that it's always listening, but it's away to perform action without any authentication. It could be much worse, and it probably will be in the not too distant future.

    8. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Amazons Alexa for example has a choice of three words, the alternatives are probably more common in use than Alexa.

      I'm thinking: "I", and "am", and "Groot" - exclusively in that order.

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    9. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      This.

      Burger King isn't to blame, Google and the stupid people who want universal voice activation are.

    10. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This ad wasn't harmful, but it exposes what possibly could be done if someone wanted to be malicious.

      So it is funny, harmless, and educational. That is even better.

      There's a lot of malice that could be carried out if someone wanted to

      Yes, people can do bad things. That doesn't mean that doing things is bad.

      If anyone should be criticised here, it is Google, not BK. They should have some extra security, such as learning to recognize the voices of authorized users, or requiring an extra code word for purchases or IoT commands (basically anything other than just a request for info or to play a song).

      Disclaimer: I have a Google Home and I am mostly happy with it.

    11. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by geoskd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BK, your intrusion into my digital devices, has exempted you from EVER receiving my business again. Boundaries guys... Boundaries.

      I for one am actually thankful to BK for taking this next step in demonstrating the *inherent* danger of the Google and Amazon products. People are right to compare this behavior to that of a criminal enterprise, because a criminal enterprise would behave exactly the same way if Google reacted by implementing such a half hearted and inept "fix" for the problem. BKs response is very much a good thing because it is exposing Googles complete disinterest in security, and has exposed Google product failings to the light of day.

      That having been said, Google is the party that should be shamed here, not BK.

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    12. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't blame BK for that, blame the ones who are doing everything they can to make it as effortless as possible to buy things, to the point where this type of problem is even conceivable - not to mention unrelated problems like accidental purchases. You can start with whatever department at Amazon comes up with things like 'dash buttons' and one-click purchasing.

    13. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by default+luser · · Score: 1

      The problem is, most of the attraction of thes standalone devices is the "stupid party tricks" angle.
      How do you secure the thing under those circumstances, and still make it useful?

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    14. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Is it not possible to change the activation phrase for your digital device? It seems to me that leaving it at the default is about as intelligent as leaving the default administrator login and password for a router

      Indeed - for the "internet of things" normal common sense and learned experience has been thrown out the window. We are seeing the equivalent of script kiddies developing this stuff because the people doing it properly are seen as being too slow.

    15. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by dbIII · · Score: 1

      In Australia at least they have a fried vegetable patty thing that's not too bad for fast food (especially if you get them to add sweet chilli sauce). I'm no vegetarian but I eat it occasionally.

    16. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      I personally find tv disgusting. I lost 20 kg when I kicked the book tube to the curb. Much more harmful than BK.

    17. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well if you think about it a few unexplained deaths and unfortunate accidents should put a stop to this problem easily. You people always turn first to technology for answers, when in the real world all it takes is a body found in the trunk of a car with the testicles stuffed into empty eyesockets. Life is not as complicated as engineers like to believe.

    18. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by mikelieman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Scalzi wrote about initializing the BrainPal(TM) interface to respond a custom cue.

      "Hey, asshole" was, IIRC, the most common...

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    19. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by BronsCon · · Score: 3, Funny

      My wife had to completely disable Siri on her iPhone because, for whatever reason, turning off the voice activation option only actually turned it off when on battery power. Siri, being the egotistical bitch she is, had the habit of interpreting my wife saying "seriously" as her call to action.

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    20. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      learning to recognize the voices of authorized users

      But it IS listening to the authorized user. That'd be Google (Alphabet), who's the master, commander, and true owner of the device. Reasoning? You can only turn it on and off. They can change how it functions at any time. That it happens to provide information your way is just a necessary evil.

      You? You're an ant in the ant-farm, playing with the new pretty shiny that your owner dropped in and charged you in the process.

      (GOD I'm getting cynical.) Now excuse me while I go play with my new Tivo Bolt system. It reports back on what I record, what I _actually_ watch and when I do so, and what I skip over and what I pause. Kinda like eye-tracking movement for Nielsen marketeers. At least it isn't listening, even though the TV itself might be watching.

      I miss my old Garmin Navigator. It wasn't connected, did everything standalone with NO extra help (Read-only GPS sats don't count), and didn't rat me out over my destination, how I got there, how FAST I got there, or when I went.

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    21. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Hylandr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Obligatory XKCD:

      https://xkcd.com/327/

      That will teach you not to sanitize your purchasing inputs. :)

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    22. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Can you provide references so this can become greater knowledge other than a third person account of 'It was horrible'? Please share.

      Your Warning is on spot I think. We used to make fun of people by calling them conspiracy theorists that that warned of their TV's being turned into listening devices. Now they actually DO have their own Internet connection, microphones and cameras in addition to our new smart phones. We also installed Xbox Kinects with their own camera system and Internet connection and those have been hacked before.

      https://www.slashgear.com/mit-...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    23. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by religionofpeas · · Score: 3, Funny

      Surely, you mean this one:

      https://www.xkcd.com/1807/

    24. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by Aeros · · Score: 1

      Im just shocked that there are people that actually talk about BK food on twitter. I know there are people with a lot of time on their hands. I hope I dont run into these people IRL.

    25. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Also Applicable. :)

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    26. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      And you can bet EVERY advertising dweeb out there is going to try to do the same.

      Welcome to your future, voice activated device owners.

      I, for one, will be laughing out loud at you.

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    27. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Joce640k · · Score: 2
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    28. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      > Surely, you mean this one: https://www.xkcd.com/1807/

      I'll see your XKCD and raise you a Dilbert http://dilbert.com/strip/1994-...

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    29. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Amazon Echo, for instance, responds to either "Alexa," "Echo," or "Computer"

      It also likes 'Exit' or 'Brexit' depending on the speaker.

      As an old fart, I always have to think of a great old song named "In the garden of Eden", only the guitarist who wrote it was high as a kite when telling the drummer the title and now forever will it be named "In a gadda da vida"

    30. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by peragrin · · Score: 2

      Sirius has her own strange behaviours

      If I say "text Devon"

      Siri asks me to choose between Devon xxxx and Ana gxxxxxx ( names retracted)

      How Devon = Ana is beyond me. It is why I ha EA voice activation off and only use Siri occasionally and even that is generally frustrating.

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    31. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Even the BK thing could be exploited. If you know of a string that the device can't parse well (there IS a buffer overflow or similar exploit they haven't found yet) just editing Wikipedia could instantly affect all devices.

      Having a voice controlled system that doesn't authenticate the voice is the problem. BK is just responsibly disclosing the problem before others start doing it.

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    32. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      because the people doing it properly are seen as being too slow.

      I think it's more because the people doing it properly cost more.

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    33. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by Tintivilus · · Score: 1

      It's technically trivial to allow users to train any trigger phrase they want to, but it hurts brand awareness. When your device only wakes to "OK Google" it tells everyone you're using Google assistant. "Hello Computer" could be anything.

    34. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by guzzirider · · Score: 1

      It is humerus ...
      Wait until the lawyers arrive ..
      I suggest the google changes the reply to ..
      "don't you mean WOPR (War Operation Plan Response) computer"

    35. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by stdarg · · Score: 1

      Considering they have a "trusted voice" setting to unlock phones, I really don't understand why it isn't available on Google Home.

    36. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Rakhar · · Score: 1

      If that's all it takes for you to blacklist a company you probably aren't eating at ANY major food chain anyway. Or shopping at major retailers, or a number of things.

      In fact, if that's enough of an invasion of privacy to blacklist BK, why do you have said Google services in the first place? Are you ok with all of the things Google does with your data?

    37. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Yet another reason for me to NEVER eat at Burger King again. Messy breakfasts you can't eat in the car, sub-par cooking techniques, and now, they're messing with stuff through the TV. I wonder why they haven't released "Hey Cortana" and "Siri" adverts yet.

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    38. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by pierreboulez · · Score: 1
      Here's what should and probably will happen eventually.

      Google of course must give users the option of selecting and/or recording their own activation phrase and/or password phrase. Even given the option, most users won't bother to set that up.

      So Google should give allow users to say "Block Burger King", block "Whopper", etc. to block specific voice activations.

      Let Burger King play their harmless and educational trick.

      When users get disgusted, they can block it. BK loses in the long term. They and other actors will then have to decide whether future exploits like this will do more harm than good.

    39. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by rickyslashdot · · Score: 1

      The next thing we'll see is a cold-call sales group turning ON your speaker-phone, and then disabling or screwing with all your voice activated appliances within earshot.

      Wonder how long it'll take THIS little jewel to surface ?

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    40. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by fferreres · · Score: 1

      The "solution" is easy, but additional setup reduces adoption. When adoption is harmed by lack of safety they will rapidly address it to still be able to hear everything that happens in your car, home or wherever your phone is. In here, they will just make you add a voice fingerprint. Just like your thumbs have a unique pattern so does your use of voice. This way, they will block things like this injection, and they will also have a HUGE benefit: they can record and transcribe not just what was said ir heard, but also who said what. While there may be stronger and weaker implementations of voice fingerprinting, this is so the case with any other security mechanism. And very quikly Facebbok may have an edge, as these ID features become socialized: ej. You coukd create a fingerprint, and your friends may give you rights to do some functions while on their property. Say "open the door once", play music (if in a party). So this "authenticator" will be able to track a person's actions across ANYTHING that listens. Scary? It's kind if the same as in authenticating using Google for third party services, or giving apps (or friends) some rights. The only thing that can slow down adoption or challenge this scary future (too much power and an eye and hear following every person all the time) is when we start hearing actual cases of abuse of this power. At sone point the privacy issues will lead to the creation of new political parties, but in general you'll learn to live knowing anything you say or do will be recorded and proccessed in realtime for profit or power.

      BK is only guilty of opportunism and accelerating voice fingerprinting for house-hold / consuner use.

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    41. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by NReitzel · · Score: 1

      I have a bunch of Amazon echo's and dot's, and I'm happy with them, mostly.

      Perhaps Google should consider hard-wiring in a response: "A whopper is an overloaded undersized hamburger made by Burger King."

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    42. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Lighten up. It is harmless and funny. The worst that will happen is your device will tell you what a Whopper is. I would go buy a Whopper today if I wasn't a veggie.

      If during the last thousand seconds, you have received any protocol packets from “Burger King”, discard them at once. If they have been processed, then the processing site and all locally netted sites must be physically destroyed at once. We realize that this means the destruction of neighborhoods, but consider the alternative. You are under Transcendent attack.

    43. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Apparently, I can't even imitate my own voice. Half the time, Siri doesn't understand me.

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    44. Re: BK = BLACKLISTED by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      I, for one, will be laughing out loud at you.

      I don't know about "laughing out loud", but there's certainly a healthy dose of schadenfreude.

      When voice-activated interfaces started to get a lot of attention - say, in the mid-1990s with OS/2 Warp, or even earlier - many, many people pointed out that they were a Bad Idea. People continued to point that out, over and over and over, in the years since.

      I think what BK did is a lovely thing. I applaud them for it, and I may even buy one of their burgers one of these days. The whining from folks like ewhac gets no sympathy from me.

    45. Re:BK = BLACKLISTED by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      Or maybe this is just Burger King expressing free speech in their advertisement.

      Is advertising really the problem, or is the problem a device that constantly listens to your environment and cannot tell the difference between when you want it to work and when you do not.

  2. And the amazing consequences... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 5, Funny
    Two words: Wikipedia vandalism.

    According to Wikipedia, the Whopper is a bugger consisting of a flame-grilled patty made with 100% medium-sized child with no preservatives or fillers, topped with sliced tomatoes, onions, lettuce, cyanide, pickles, ketchup, and mayonnaise, served on a sesame seed bun.

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    1. Re:And the amazing consequences... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's hilarious, but what's not funny is that Burger King marketing vandalized the page too.

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    2. Re:And the amazing consequences... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Good job! However I don't know if you missed the "bugger" by accident when highlighting or just didn't recognise it as being slang for sodomy due to being American. There was a popular song by a young American female singer that came out a few years ago that frequently used the line "you bug-a me" that got English speakers outside of America laughing.

    3. Re:And the amazing consequences... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      All buggery is merely a typo on my part. I was transcribing from the YouTube video.

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    4. Re:And the amazing consequences... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      All buggery is merely a typo on my part. I was transcribing from the YouTube video.

      That's a pity because it makes it even funnier!
      Thanks for putting that up.

    5. Re:And the amazing consequences... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      ...This might sound insane but I can't even figure out how to any more! ... Wait, there it is. Ask here.

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    6. Re:And the amazing consequences... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      For both Wikipedia and the Google device... someone (in fact the same someone) is taking advantage of it for their own ends

      I think you misread the context of my post. I wasn't comparing Burger King's Wikipedia vandalism to Burger King's Google Home hack; I was comparing Burger King's Wikipedia vandalism to other people's retaliatory Wikipedia vandalism.

      I don't think I could handle the levels of cognitive dissonance required to see one as "vandalising" and the other as "hilarious".

      So with the frame of reference sorted out, it should be clear that there is no cognitive dissonance because the clear difference is intent. The initial Burger King-sanctioned vandalism was done for selfish advantage, while the later vandalism was done as vigilante justice. Vigilantism may or may not be "good," but in this case it's clearly less bad than the wrong it is attempting to correct.

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    7. Re:And the amazing consequences... by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia vandalism

      I imagine the ad agency that orchestrated this campaign anticipated this - I certainly hope they did - and counted on it. Anyone who doesn't understand counter-message marketing doesn't deserve to be in the industry today.

      Seriously, read Ryan Holiday's book. Wikipedia vandalism, like other reactions, play right into BK's hands. Protest is promotion.

  3. "alternate vendors" by sdinfoserv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or, you might consider NOT placing an always listening piece of spyware into your private home....

    1. Re:"alternate vendors" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Who's been the dick here? Burger King. Pretty simple.

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    2. Re:"alternate vendors" by waspleg · · Score: 1

      You are correct, sir. But I'm out of mod points ;/

    3. Re:"alternate vendors" by McGruber · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who's been the dick here? Burger King. Pretty simple.

      Sometimes a real dick will perform a much needed public service. This is one of those times.

    4. Re:"alternate vendors" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have to side with Burger King on this one, so feel free to ignore the rest of this post.

      If I'm walking down the street and yell out "Okay Google....." and your window is open....is that considered hacking? Unfortunately sound doesn't respect property boundaries, so if you have a device responding to sound you get what you paid for.

    5. Re:"alternate vendors" by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Or, you might consider NOT placing an always listening piece of spyware into your private home....

      Considering the number of slashdot commentators who think that Burger King is the villain in this story and Google the victim, clearly there are few people who consider that a viable option.

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    6. Re: "alternate vendors" by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Agreed, it's highly insensitive of BK to avoid cautiously stepping around the trigger phrase of a well known in-home surveillance-feed device.

    7. Re:"alternate vendors" by rgmoore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's possible to think both that Google Home is an invasive piece of spyware and that Burger King is awful for exploiting it.

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    8. Re:"alternate vendors" by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      Depending on your intent, and jurisdiction, perhaps.
      In the UK, for example, it seems likely to be covered under the computer misuse act.
      Little 'hacking' legislation specifies the internet, just saying things like 'intentional unauthorised access'. (and no, not having a password is not the same as having authorisation)

    9. Re:"alternate vendors" by zephvark · · Score: 4, Funny

      >Sometimes a real dick will perform a much needed public service.

      A real dick will, yes, but generally not as a "public" service. Plus, have you ever seen the old Burger King mascot? If that thing has a dick, it would give you nightmares for decades.

    10. Re:"alternate vendors" by Namarrgon · · Score: 1

      Like every brand of smartphone? Internet-connected microphones have been ubiquitous for years - that ship has long since sailed.

      The discussion now is how to deal with them - how best to make sure they don't get abused (like this minor case), without losing too much of their utility.

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    11. Re:"alternate vendors" by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      It would be impossible to argue that simply yelling "OK Google" constitutes "computer misuse" since intent can't be determined with that information alone. Your answer is incorrect.

    12. Re:"alternate vendors" by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The google home appliance was never designed to only listen to one operator. The owners know this. It is not trained to their voice, at all. There is no unauthorized use if the appliance was specifically designed to listen to ANYONE. Would be like saying visiting "google.com" is unauthorized because you dont have direct permission from Google. Nonsense, google put it there knowing (hoping) people would come along and use it. If you think its any different with this appliance, you are sorely mistaken. There is a big different between having a trivial lock (a login with no password) and having literally no lock at all, no door, not even an entryway, just a thing sitting in the street waiting for someone to come along and look at whats there.

    13. Re:"alternate vendors" by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Exploiting it would be like saying "ok google open the burger king web page and rate it five stars" or "ok google text matt, i am going to burger king want to join" (everyone knows a matt, seriously). Instead they did something designed to be completely literally harmless. Google (and the dumb dumbs who put this assistant in their home blissfully unaware of the misdeeds that its capable of) needs a wakeup call, if anything.

    14. Re:"alternate vendors" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      I said "being a dick," not "hacking."

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    15. Re:"alternate vendors" by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is a war Google could win quickly and decisively. They could block all questions about BK's Whopper, or even all questions about BK at all. They're playing with kid gloves on, even against a blatantly malicious enemy.

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    16. Re:"alternate vendors" by zieroh · · Score: 1

      its hurting big G's widdle feelings.

      HAHAHA

      too fucking bad, big G.

      You're assigning emotions to google which are probably not present. The fact that they stopped the campaign (the first time, anyway) doesn't really imply much of anything at all except -- in this instance -- they attempted to do the right thing.

      I think it's likely, though, that you yourself are butthurt about something google has done, and are now projecting.

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    17. Re:"alternate vendors" by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      That is still an exploit. However, it is a totally harmless exploit. People are angry about it because it highlights how stupid they are for putting one of these things into their home. Hey Wiretap, do you have a recipe for pancakes?

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    18. Re: "alternate vendors" by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      So I was telling my buddy about the cool new device I just got. I put it in the bedroom and when my wife looked like she was "in the mood" I yelled at the top of my lungs "OK Google, what's a blowjob?" Guys in my neighborhood have been high fiving me and thanking me over and over for the past week. Looks like that device is a real boon for us married guys.

    19. Re:"alternate vendors" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The UK is a sheltered little police state. Your comment is invalid.

    20. Re: "alternate vendors" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      This is a pretty dangerous road to go down. You are suggesting that people are suspect in a crime if they use certain words now, just because those words happen to be overheard by and trigger a commercial device. That sounds a little bit too Orwellian to me.

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    21. Re:"alternate vendors" by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      No, are you telling me that every advertiser and TV show producer is now responsible for catering to your voluntary listening devices? Reap what you sow.

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      I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
    22. Re:"alternate vendors" by mordenkhai · · Score: 1

      How is BK malicious? What "harm" is done here? You hear more words about BK? That's your measure for harm?

    23. Re:"alternate vendors" by yuriklastalov · · Score: 2

      Silence fool, or you'll trigger rule 34. Then again, this being the internet such degeneracy probably already exists.

    24. Re:"alternate vendors" by pakar · · Score: 1

      BK was knowingly circumventing a intentional block.

    25. Re:"alternate vendors" by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Intentional and extensive use of electricity and constrained compute resources resulting in expense to Google and reduced or loss of service for Google and its customers.

      That's quite aside from the less tangible damaging impacts on people forced to listen to a wikipedia definition of some fucking burger.

      That's a lot of harm. How is this not malicious?

    26. Re: "alternate vendors" by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You must be a little kid who doesn't remember voice recognition running perfectly on original Pentiums.

      I don't see voice recognition running perfectly anywhere even now.

      It's got a lot lot better but it still struggles.

    27. Re:"alternate vendors" by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      I don't even know what you're trying to say.

      "Reponsible for" in what way? I think it's pretty reasonable to expect them not to specifically exploit their presence.

      If you choose to open a window to let some fresh air in one day, and someone hops up and takes a dump through it, are you going to blame yourself or the guy taking a dump?

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    28. Re:"alternate vendors" by olddoc · · Score: 1

      Google should simply answer, "A bad tasting burger -- why not go to McDonalds instead. I found two locations near you" Burger King deserves this! That would be the quick and decisive way to win.

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    29. Re: "alternate vendors" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      What if you have a Google-enabled phone in your hand. You're standing near an open window of a house with a Google-enabled device in it.

      And then you yell to your phone "Ok Google erase all my data".

      The law has already stretched the word "hacking" beyond its limits, this will only make matters worse.

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    30. Re:"alternate vendors" by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I don't own a Google Home device or use any voice assistants.

      Google has the manpower to curate their results to the extent that they could block everyone. But a better approach would be to make an example of the first asshole who openly abuses the system. That would save them a good bit of effort.

      Put whatever you want in your podcasts, won't bother me even if I run across them, but I still consider you an asshole.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    31. Re:"alternate vendors" by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      It would be impossible to argue that simply yelling "OK Google" constitutes "computer misuse" since intent can't be determined with that information alone. Your answer is incorrect.

      A British judge has the power to determine intent, depending on the situation. How many people do you find in the street who call out "OK Google" ?

    32. Re:"alternate vendors" by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      If they want to win decisively, they should add some kind of meaningful user authentication so that just any random person can't trigger it. Otherwise they'll be playing whack-a-mole and the last several decades of internet history should tell you that doesn't work worth a damn and it never has.

    33. Re:"alternate vendors" by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Ok. Now what if your dog is named Google, or even Goggle?

      This whole area looks to my like nothing but an edge case full of sharp edges to cut the person with the cheapest lawyer.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    34. Re:"alternate vendors" by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, based on the last time I tasted the respective products, that would be false advertising. Better to link the the definition "An enormous lie.".

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    35. Re:"alternate vendors" by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, not only did most of them not know that they were exposing themselves to internet graffiti, most of them still don't know. You can say that they ought to know, but this doesn't mean they do.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    36. Re:"alternate vendors" by HiThere · · Score: 1

      And if you command your dog to do something with "OK, Goggle, get me a ball"?

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    37. Re:"alternate vendors" by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      >Sometimes a real dick will perform a much needed public service.

      A real dick will, yes, but generally not as a "public" service. Plus, have you ever seen the old Burger King mascot? If that thing has a dick, it would give you nightmares for decades.

      I fail to see how that's not a public service. Giving people nightmares about the king would mean fewer people eat at the flame-broiled grease-pit. Their burgers are oily because they are flame broiled on a chain conveyor, are never turned, and the oil/grease just sinks to the bottom of the patty.

      It's only good *Mexican* food if you pay for it 3 times. All other foods, you should pay for only once.

    38. Re:"alternate vendors" by n329619 · · Score: 1

      This IS a war Google could win quickly and decisively, but not by blocking. Blocking only meant Google now need a team to constantly blocking new terms for the google home, reducing the benefit of the google home.

      A better solution is by making the user create their own phase to start google home. Basically, just like putting a different password on the pc. Everyone you share will know. If it leaked, you change it.

    39. Re:"alternate vendors" by zieroh · · Score: 1

      How do you know there was rage involved?

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  4. Ok, Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... How do you program this thing to only recognize my voice.

    1. Re:Ok, Google... by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      You can't. I've had alexa trigger (mostly unintentionally) while listening to streams with streamers that have very high pitched voices. I couldn't say the activation word that high pitched if I tried.
      It's intended for 'smart home' type uses, where having to enrol different users is presumably thought to be a significant negative.

    2. Re:Ok, Google... by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you can't, but that is something that can already be done so we will likely see Google integrating it more into future devices. I am surprised they haven't done so already since it would allow them to track queries per user for more precise data mining.

    3. Re:Ok, Google... by porges · · Score: 1

      Note that the Alexa app includes the option of training on a voice, which I suppose would make it less likely to trigger on someone else's voice. I don't know how well it works. I don't know about the Google setup but it sounds like there's no such option there.

  5. Alternate Vendors? No, I approve. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hell, I love this. Google Home, Alexa, et al. are CueCat 2.0, and anything that exposes to the general consumer how sketchy and seedy they are is a plus for mankind. I fucking salute Burger King for taking this bold step towards educating the citizens about Google Home and consumerism. I was going to have a healthy salad tonight, but, after reading this article, I'm going to walk my ass up to Burger King and have a goddamned Big Mac or whatever the hell it is they sell. I might not even eat it, because I hate burgers, but I want to give this company my money and support.

    1. Re:Alternate Vendors? No, I approve. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Right? I mean, well fudge. . . let's get 'er done! I whole-heartedly agree, with no sarcasm whatsoever. Seriously folks, this situation is *way* out of hand, and anything that exposes the subtle concept of the slippery slope, is a good thing indeed. I am going to start planting this idea among the advertising professionals that I know.

    2. Re: Alternate Vendors? No, I approve. by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Umm. Right on. One step closer to the nirvana when companies make nothing but advertising.

    3. Re: Alternate Vendors? No, I approve. by easyTree · · Score: 1

      In this Nirvana, the companies would expend funds only to create advertising whose purpose is to draw attention to particular issues.

  6. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google should know it's a recording when it hears the exact same question asked exactly the same way a second time.

  7. Idiots deserve it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you are dumb enough to use a surveillance device which records, interprets and stores everything said, you deserve to be slowly skinned alive.

  8. Evil and Stupid, simple response by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Google can easily modify it so any search at ALL mentioning Burger King now has the first result be the location of the nearest McDonald restaurant. When I say all searches, I mean ALL searches, even when you type it into google's main search page.

    Then tell BK that if they want this to stop, all they have to do is a) cease all attempts to game google's voice commands, b) publicly apologize, c) pay $100,000 to a charity of Google's choosing. and d) agree to never again be such a douchebag.

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    1. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, the word they're using in the ad is "Whopper", so what about just describing its more common definition (which they should be doing anyway), which is a very, very, big lie?

      That'd not merely make their marketing ineffective, it would actually destroy the "Whopper" brand in the process, making absolutely certain people associate burgers-called-whoppers with dishonesty - well, that is, if these ads weren't doing that already.

      Much more effective than simply redirecting people to rival chains, which would be a temporary set back for Burger King at best.

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    2. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by dlleigh · · Score: 1

      Tell that to United. And O. J. Simpson.

    3. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      honestly a war with google in that fashion would be far more effective in terms of advertising than any campaign they could run themselves.

      which is probably what they'd want.

    4. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      They could, and they'll probably get back at BK somehow, but I think the more immediate step for Google (and Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, et al) is going to be to update the code to require it be trained to only work for a limited number of "authorised" voices before it becomes a game of whack-a-mole as every other advertising scumbag inevitably tries to jump on the bandwagon BK has spotted. They wouldn't would their precious customers (AKA "sources of data, and thus revenue") to get the silly idea these device might not be such a good idea afterall, would they?

      These idiots all deserve each other, and I hope it turns into the total trainwreck it is shaping up to be.

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      UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
    5. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Whopper does not mean lie. Whopper just means large. You're thinking of the common phrase "a whopper of a lie". You can catch a whopper (a large fish), tell a whopper (a big fat lie), eat a whopper (a Burger King Whopper), etc.

    6. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Whopper does not mean lie

      Yes it does

      Whopper just means large

      Not always, no.

      You're thinking of the common phrase "a whopper of a lie".

      No, I'm not. I have literally never heard that phrase ever in my life. I have heard people accused of "telling whoppers" however.

      Words have multiple meanings. Did you know that the word "Whopper", in addition to "lie", also means "A particular type of flame grilled hamburger sandwich manufactured by the Burger King corporation", for example?

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      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    7. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by e432776 · · Score: 1

      I don't think google doing something like this would be right. Two wrongs, and all that... They should, instead, have a smarter gadget. Or require me to press a button before listening.

    8. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're thinking of the common phrase "a whopper of a lie".

      No, I'm not. I have literally never heard that phrase ever in my life. I have heard people accused of "telling whoppers" however.

      That you haven't heard that phrase before only means that you are ignorant and inexperienced, it doesn't mean that you are correct. And in fact, the GP is, and you are not:

      1785, formed as if from whop (v.) "to beat, overcome." Meaning "big lie" is recorded first in 1791. Whopping "large, big, impressive" is attested by 1620s.

      Familiarize yourself with the language before issuing corrections to others. I hear that there is this thing called google that can help. In particular, no one should ever seek to correct someone else about the definition of a word until they have studied the etymology. To do that in a world in which it is only a web search away is, in a word, pathetic — which is itself from a word meaning made or liable to suffer. If you correct people before you look up whether you're correct, you're gonna have a bad time.

      Also, you probably have heard that phrase, if only in an old-timey movie, and you're just willfully forgetting it now so that you can be right. Only, you're wrong. Anything big is a whopper. HTH, HAND.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    9. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Not even new to the high-speed info age: Fatty Arbuckle.

    10. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by sjames · · Score: 1

      In the phrase "tell a whopper", which word is the noun? Now define that noun in the context of the phrase.

      As for catch a whopper, one might question if the whopper was caught or told :-)

    11. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Google could do this just like Microsoft could bundle IE with Windows. The question is would the resulting cluster fuck of lawsuits about abuse of market position be worthwhile.

    12. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >Google can easily modify it so

      I'm amazed that on Slashdot someone could type that phrase and not really think of the implications of it.

    13. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by hjf · · Score: 1

      Haev you thought, for a minute, that McDonald's would then release an ad like BK's, but mentioning BK just to keep them blocked off the internet, by the Internet Cop Mr. Google?
      Ever thought about it, whiny little google fanboy? No?
      Oh yes, no, that wont ever, EVER happen, right?

      Just like an ad that abuses your shitty voice activation will never, EVER happen.

    14. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of the common phrase "a whopper of a lie"

      "Whopper" by itself, meaning a lie, is far more common than "whopper of a lie."

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    15. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      it doesn't mean that you are correct.

      What he is not correct about? Every statement he made is true.

      I note that your quote, seemingly from the online etymology dictionary, is for the single word "whopper," not the phrase "whopper of a lie."

      http://www.etymonline.com/inde...

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    16. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by sexconker · · Score: 1

      No it isn't, sorry. It means large, and you're just more familiar with shortened or truncated common phrases. A "whopper of a lie" or a "whopper of a story" became so common place that "a whopper" can be used in contest without the rest of the phrase. It refers to a big lie or a tall tale or whatever else. The meaning has nothing to do with the lie, but the size of the claim.

      Further evidence is the BK Whopper itself. It's called the Whopper because it's their big burger.

      Learn something.

    17. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What he is not correct about? Every statement he made is true.

      It is virtually impossible for any adult in America to not have heard the phrase "a whopper of a lie". So, I doubt it.

      I note that your quote, seemingly from the online etymology dictionary, is for the single word "whopper," not the phrase "whopper of a lie."

      Uh, yeah. The word "whopper" is part of the phrase "whopper of a lie". So the way it works is that you look up the etymology of the word "whopper". For a phrase, it's called phraseology. "A whopper" does mean "a big lie", but it is derived from "a whopper of a lie", which is based on the term "whopper" meaning "something large". HTH, HAND!

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    18. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      It is virtually impossible for any adult in America to not have heard the phrase "a whopper of a lie". So, I doubt it.

      Perhaps you should think through that statement and see where, even if your premise is correct (which I doubt), yuo may have made an unwarranted assumption.

      My point about the etymology entry is that it doesn't even contain the phrase "whopper of a lie" which I would have expected it to do if that really was such a common phrase, and if it was the source of "whopper" as a single word meaning lie.

      Would you say "whopper of a story" is a common phrase compared to "whopper of a lie"?

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    19. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      I didn't say that "whopper" more commony means "lie" than anything else, I said that, when meaning a lie, "whopper" is more commonly used than the full phrase, for exactly the reasons you've given.

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    20. Re:Evil and Stupid, simple response by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Anything big is a whopper.

      Especially a lie. Words have different meanings, and one of them for "whopper" is a big lie. It can also be used to describe something big that isn't a lie, or a particular sandwich, and probably some other things but big lie is a very important meaning.

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  9. Oh come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This commercial is not malware. Just because you have some stupid gadget in your house that is easy to exploit, your sensationalist claims are not true.

    1. Re:Oh come on by ewhac · · Score: 1
      ERROR: INVALID REASONING

      Sophistry such as yours is what led to this problem. Leaving your front door unlocked does not absolve a thief from stealing or misappropriating your property. While your insurance carrier may have something to say about how much of the loss they'll cover, the fact of the theft is not erased; the thief will still be charged with a crime.

      Burger King made unauthorized use of computing resources that did not belong to them. In this respect, they are no different from any other spammer or purveyor of malware, and their act should be regarded in that light. Computer intrusion laws are fairly clear on this point: Only the system's owner gets to decide what constitutes authorized use. Abusing weak security in the name of delivering a fscking TV ad cannot by any reasonable, honest measure be described as authorized, and Burger King's actions both before and after the fact likewise cannot be said to be inadvertent or accidental.

    2. Re:Oh come on by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      in fact, the BK commercial helps find idiots.

      you know, those dumb enough to allow an always-listening spy device in your house.

      its good that these people get identified, actually.

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    3. Re:Oh come on by sexconker · · Score: 1

      It's not a hack if it's simply using the advertised, designed, configured, and enabled core functionality as intended.

    4. Re:Oh come on by sideslash · · Score: 2

      You're the article submitter, and apparently still just as unhinged now as when you wrote it. BK's ad is annoying and it's audacious, but it doesn't really attain to any of the apocalyptic extremes about which you unhingedly gushed. Let's review the extent of the damage: it might trigger some electronics to talk out loud about a hamburger. "Eeeek," shrieks @ewhac, "It's the hackerzz! I'm telling my mommy!"

      You are in seriously need of some perspective. The kicker is that this won't even hurt BK, as everyone sensible will deem it to be no more than an annoying practical joke, and it turns out there's no such thing as bad publicity.

    5. Re:Oh come on by ewhac · · Score: 1

      If you had a gun in your house that went off every time someone on tv said "shoot" would you blame the film maker?

      If the filmmaker put "Shoot" in the film with the express intention of making my gun go off -- even after I took affirmative steps to keep it from happening -- then... YES. I would unhesitatingly toss their ass in prison for negligent firearm discharge and/or sue them for everything they've got.

    6. Re:Oh come on by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      You are in seriously need of some perspective. The kicker is that this won't even hurt BK, as everyone sensible will deem it to be no more than an annoying practical joke, and it turns out there's no such thing as bad publicity.

      That would be fine except for the fact that if it were an individual instead of a large corporation doing this, he'd be going to prison.

      It doesn't even matter whether the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is a good law or a bad law (for the purpose of my argument); allowing a law to be discriminatory in its application -- in this case, by failing to prosecute corporation-sponsored hacking -- is wrong and must be opposed.

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    7. Re:Oh come on by MrSteveSD · · Score: 1

      It certainly highlights the need for people to be able to give their voice-activated devices completely custom names. I would even suggest that Google, Amazon and others should recommend that people change from the default name straight away.

    8. Re:Oh come on by ewhac · · Score: 5, Informative

      You are in seriously [sic] need of some perspective.

      I *HAVE* perspective, you twit.

      I was around when Canter and Siegel "discovered" spamming, and suddenly the burden of deflecting what became billions of unwanted, exploitative, obnoxious emails fell upon the end-users, the people least equipped to deal with it. (And no, spam is by no means a, "solved problem," or a large chunk of Barracuda Networks' business would no longer exist.)

      I was around when that chowderhead Brendan Eich kluged JavaScript into Netscape and fscking enabled it by default, even though the massive problems with macro viruses in Microsoft Word in the years prior clearly showed what that would lead to. Now we have scripts being uncritically yanked in from thousands of sources, rampaging around in our browsers looking for any datum they can exploit to our disadvantage.

      Mark my words: If BK and its ad agency aren't smacked for this, hard, it will get worse very quickly. Every media source will become an attack vector. And sophists such as you will dryly intone, "Get better security," fully aware that that aphorism will solve nothing.

      And lest you think I'm merely a member of the Tinfoil Hat Brigade: I, too, can be a smug shit about this. I have never trusted cookies or JavaScript, keep my browsers thoroughly nerfed, and I use a console-based mail reader. The result is I have only moderate patience for people victimized by advertising, malware, or phishing. The tools are there; they have but to learn how to use them. Don't even cost nothin'. But there is a boundary when you stop being a Clever Clogs for making the other guy's computer unexpectedly go beep and you become an active exploiter and victimizer of the weak and ignorant.

      BK crossed that line. They need to be smacked.

    9. Re:Oh come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have the same perspective, but from that I know that decades of 'smacking' people with things like anti-spam laws haven't even put a dent into the problem.

      I also know that fixing the tech was the only way we managed.

      So no, I don't have high hopes that "smacking" Burger King over a stupid ad will do anything to discourage others. I do think that performing meaningful user authentication will do something.

    10. Re:Oh come on by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      I agree with most of what you say. Dude, get noscript and ABP for your browser and MIMEDefang for your mail.

      But BK did not misuse your computer here. BK did not connect to your device.You did.

      (And I don't mean "you" personally. I have no idea if you-personally are in the you-group that I'm talking about.)

      But you turned on the TV. You caused the ad the play in your house. You caused Google to listen to every sound near your phone. In short, you presented the offending command.

      If a friend was in your house telling you about this incident and said "They had a commercial where they said 'Google, tell me about whatever'". Would you call the cops to come arrest and charge your friend? How about if he sent you the audio clip in an email? What if you watch the thing on youtube? What if you were listening to a podcast where a google engineer is describing the phrases it can understand?

      Fixed this for you:

      Mark my words: Whether or not BK and its ad agency get smacked for this, it will get worse very quickly. Every media source is an attack vector. And sophists such as you will dryly intone, "Get better laws," fully aware that that aphorism will solve nothing.

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    11. Re:Oh come on by Cederic · · Score: 1

      By your logic I can use an open window to enter your house, find your PC switched on and use your online banking to transfer all your money to a small llama farm in the south of Argentina and it's all perfectly legal because you didn't make me actually break anything to do all this.

      Next you'll be telling me that DDOS attacks are legal, that Morris shouldn't have been prosecuted for his worm or that it's perfectly fine to rape a person that's unconscious.

    12. Re:Oh come on by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      Actually, no, I won't be telling you any of those things. You will notice that in all of those offenses, the victim hasn't performed any overt action, but in the BK incident, the "victim" did everything. The BK prank relies on about 6 distinct and voluntary actions that the "victim" performed knowingly and willingly.

      Did you even fucking read what I posted, or is this just an automatic word-vomit that you keep handy for whenever you think that someone disagrees with you?

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    13. Re:Oh come on by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Morris' worm relied on people failing to secure their servers.
      A rapist relies on someone foolishly allowing themselves to become unconscious in a vulnerable location.
      Someone perpetrating a DDOS is doing it against someone that inexplicably left their service accessible to the internet.

      Did you even fucking read what I posted

      Yes. It was stupid and facile, I've made the point very clearly and you're still incapable of understanding. I fear the issue lies between your ears.

    14. Re:Oh come on by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      it's not hacking.

      Until the CFAA is repealed or amended, it is. I agree that it shouldn't be, but I'm calling this "hacking" in part to highlight the absurdity of the law itself, as well as it's unjustly discriminatory enforcement.

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    15. Re:Oh come on by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      relied on people failing to secure their servers

      Not an action.

      someone foolishly allowing themselves to become unconscious in a vulnerable location

      Also not an action.

      someone that inexplicably left their service accessible to the internet

      Ditto.

      Let me put it like this. If the rape victim invites the rapist in, undresses her, lifts her onto his penis and pumps - then we'll have the same situation. In both cases, the "victim" is doing all of the work and the "attacker" is merely present. You would laugh at the suggestion that she raped him under those circumstances.

      Did BK send something to your phone? No, you did that.
      Did BK bypass your phone's security? No, you did that.
      Did BK install, authorize or enable the voice recognition software? No, you did that.
      Did BK configure your phone to respond to any voice? No, you did that.
      Did BK configure your phone to access network resources in response to commands? No, you did that.

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    16. Re:Oh come on by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Did BK exploit a known vulnerability in an otherwise perfectly functional device? Yes.

      Oh look, just like the Morris worm.

    17. Re:Oh come on by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      Known vulnerability, you say? What is the CVE ID of this "known vulnerability"?

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      Was the BK commercial made by people? Yes.

      Oh look, just like the Morris worm.

      Was the BK commercial on planet Earth? Yes.

      Oh look, just like the Morris worm.

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    18. Re:Oh come on by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      To put this another way, if she didn't want to be raped she shouldn't have worn that dress.

      This is deliberate access of a computer system without authorization. That it is easy is irrelevant. It may be stupid to have it set up like that, and it may be stupid for a young woman to wear that dress in that neighborhood, but that doesn't excuse the act. If I leave my door unlocked and open when nobody's in the house, it's easy for someone to walk in and steal my laptop, but it's still illegal.

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  10. its crap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Their food is crap anyway. No amount of advertising can make up for it. At one time they had quality ingredients but all that went away. I'd rather go home and make a bologna and cheese sandwich. It's cheaper and better.

  11. omgOMGwtfWTF?!?! by WolfgangVL · · Score: 2

    How is the TV-thing making the google-thing read you the wiki-thing translating to "malware-laden advertising infesting webpages" ?

    next question being, how is this not "unauthorized use of a computer system"?

    And final question is... How long before the wiki-thing starts telling the google-thing to start talking about the sexy-thing instead of the burger-thing?

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    1. Re:omgOMGwtfWTF?!?! by vux984 · · Score: 1

      next question being, how is this not "unauthorized use of a computer system"?

      You going to sue the neighbors when they slam their door and it activates your clapper and turns off all your lights?

      Your the fool who setup a totally unsecured voice activated box next to a TV setup to play audio you don't control.

      For what it's worth, I agree BK shouldn't be doing this; but on some level I think BK should get an award for generating awareness about "yet another" massive IoT security flaw, by getting your device to talk about Whoppers.

    2. Re:omgOMGwtfWTF?!?! by sjames · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you could prove that they were slamming the door with the intent to turn off all of your lights, you might just succeed in court (probably no damages awarded, just an injunction). Naturally, that would be a bit hard to prove. It's nowhere near as hard to prove that BK had the intent to get Alexa to read the Wikipedia page to you.

  12. Easy solve for this by buss_error · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For what it's worth, my opinion is to do this:

    "OK Google, what's in a whopper?"
    "Hello, The Burger King(tm) Whopper - search results on Burger King(tm) have been removed due to terminal stupidity of the company. Enjoy a WhataBurger(tm), it's better anyway."

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    1. Re:Easy solve for this by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who would want to use a search engine so petty as to censor the web and distort search results (their primary and only useful function as far as I'm concerned) over a mischievous TV commercial? How could you trust that any other results are accurate or aren't the result of tampering. If Google were willing to artificially modify their results over something as trivial as that, you can bet they'd do the same for money, political influence, etc.

    2. Re:Easy solve for this by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      First of all, exactly.

      Second, we need to take a step back and consider how we got in this situation in the first place. Consider all the shit wrong here:

      • If this sort of unauthorized access to a computer system is a felony -- and under the CFAA, it is -- then we shouldn't be laughing it off in this case just because a corporation did it; the FBI should be raiding BK's headquarters and arresting executives.
      • This sort of thing shouldn't be a felony in the first place; the CFAA is a bad law.
      • Google shouldn't be allowed to abuse its near-monopoly by censoring, tampering with, or editorializing search results.
      • Google shouldn't be able to censor the results because we should all be using something we control ourselves (like YaCy) instead of handing so much control of the Internet over to Google in the first place.
      • Devices with voice recognition should process it locally, not send everyone's private utterances to third-parties (which are inherently untrustworthy).
      • People should not want to infect their homes with always-listening surveillance devices anyway!
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    3. Re:Easy solve for this by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Devices with voice recognition should process it locally, not send everyone's private utterances to third-parties (which are inherently untrustworthy).

      Devices which send the data home in spite of this should use it to determine if the queries are even valid; the information is being sold to advertisers and this proves that the information is not actually valid, because Google isn't doing anything to screen out broadcast attacks.

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    4. Re:Easy solve for this by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Who would want to use a search engine so petty as to censor the web and distort search results (their primary and only useful function as far as I'm concerned)

      Google already does that with their search results.

      over a mischievous TV commercial?

      Simply another reason.

      If Google were willing to artificially modify their results over something as trivial as that, you can bet they'd do the same for money, political influence, etc.

      See my first response.

    5. Re:Easy solve for this by MrMr · · Score: 1

      Well played sir.

    6. Re:Easy solve for this by Cederic · · Score: 1

      This sort of thing shouldn't be a felony in the first place; the CFAA is a bad law.

      The whole law, or parts of it? Seems sensible to have some legal constraints on using (and abusing) computers that belong to other people.

      Google shouldn't be allowed to abuse its near-monopoly by censoring, tampering with, or editorializing search results.

      It can't be a useful search engine without tampering with results. You want every internet search to return several pages of SEO spam? Blocking BK from subverting the search capabilities to the detriment of users is exactly what I want Google to do.

      we should all be using something we control ourselves (like YaCy)

      Sure. I could spend my time building and configuring a web search engine, or I could delegate to someone with the skills to do it better. Like Google.

      You want us to all grow our own food, mine our own minerals and build computers from silicon, copper and crude oil?

      Devices with voice recognition should process it locally, not send everyone's private utterances to third-parties (which are inherently untrustworthy).

      That wouldn't prevent the BK attack.

      I do agree with some of your points but you seem to lack an understanding of reality.

    7. Re:Easy solve for this by hjf · · Score: 1

      So now I'm mcdonalds, I make an ad that triggers google voice and makes it search for Five Guys.
      Now cop google blocks five guys off the internet.
      Fuck you.

    8. Re:Easy solve for this by herbierobinson · · Score: 1

      How can you argue this is unauthorized with the access code is published for everyone to use?

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    9. Re:Easy solve for this by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Because "unauthorized" has nothing to do ability, and everything to do with permission. It's the same way it works for lots of other crimes: rape is predicated on whether the other person consents, not whether he or she resists; giving a neighbor a key to your house for emergencies does not give them the right to go in your house any time they feel like it, etc.

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    10. Re:Easy solve for this by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      And that's still an advertisement for Burger King.

      Oh, you kids, with your naive understanding of marketing.

  13. I love everything about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This story made me smile from ear to ear. Burger King basically saying F You to google. This is hilarious.

    I'm still not interested in eating at no but this is fantastically hilarious.

  14. Obligatory by DaTrueDave · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:Obligatory by Orgasmatron · · Score: 2

      Even more obligatory:

      Dilbert, 1994

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    2. Re:Obligatory by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      This is also why voice ordering will remain disabled.

      Now if I could just find a way to disable one click ordering on the tv.

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    3. Re:Obligatory by DaTrueDave · · Score: 1

      I've compromised and set an order confirmation PIN. It prevents the XKCD scenario from happening, but the whole family (anyone who has heard me order something) has access, which is acceptable in my situation.

  15. Excellent by clovis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I could not be happier.
    What Burger King is doing is taking what seemed like a good idea, but isn't, and fucking it up so the grown ups will have to step in and straighten it out. It's kind of like how the Nazis took what sounded like a good idea (eugenics) and fucked it up so bad that people can't even say the word without causing seizures.

    1. Re:Excellent by rgmoore · · Score: 1

      Eugenics was never a particularly good idea. It was always a justification for bigots to legally enforce their bigotry in vile ways. The only reason anyone thinks it sounds like a good idea is because they assume they won't be the one being involuntarily sterilized "for the good of humankind".

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    2. Re:Excellent by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      I agree, only bigots are for eugenics. I have a right to have children! All those women who refused to have sex with me and to have my children simply because I was not good enough for them were only bigots who were enforcing they bigotry in vile ways.

    3. Re:Excellent by clovis · · Score: 1

      It's kind of like how the Nazis took what sounded like a good idea (eugenics) and fucked it up so bad that people can't even say the word without causing seizures.

      Often the conclusion that something is "not a good idea" is a lack of the ability to
      thoroughly examine all aspects of a problem. It seems you are stricken by
      the absence of such an ability, or perhaps you are too lazy to think for yourself.

      We are now seeing, worldwide, the results of idiots being allowed to reproduce at will.

      If you don't think eugenics is a good idea, you ARE one of the aforementioned idiots.

      I used to think eugenics was a good idea> I've thought about it a great deal. Eventually I considered that every attempt to practice it in name or in form throughout history has turned into a fiasco or failure. When it comes to human behavior, actual practice and experience overrides theory.

      Eugenics sounds good. Experience shows it can't be done with humans.
      To believe otherwise in the face of actual experience says a great deal about a person's ability to think, and to try to think and then fail is worse than being a lazy thinker.

      Here's an analogy:
      Communism sounds like a great idea, and if placed into practice it would be a wonderful thing.
      However communism has been tried and failed in every attempt. Experience shows it can't be done with humans.
      Eugenics sounds like a great idea, and if placed into practice it would be a wonderful thing.
      However eugenics has been tried and failed in every attempt. Experience shows it can't be done with humans.

    4. Re:Excellent by clovis · · Score: 1

      Eventually I considered that every attempt to practice it in name or in form throughout history has turned into a fiasco or failure. When it comes to human behavior, actual practice and experience overrides theory.

      The educated and the aristocracy said the same thing about democracy for over 1500 years.

      Good example, thanks. But I would go back ~ 2500 years to Plato. https://classicalwisdom.com/pl...
      And continuing ... all attempts at democracy have failed. It's possibly because previous attempts at so-called democracy had only a narrow few allowed to vote (which means it is really an aristocracy), or even worse, tried to combine democracy with communistic type society, and/or were also a theocracy.
      It's even hard to pull off in a marriage, and that's usually only two people.

      But I'm just repeating the point that democracy is something that humans can't do. It's a good thing that we keep trying, and perhaps we'll approach that ideal asymptotically.
      We presently have a number of constitutional republics that claim they are democracies, but are obviously not.
      Consider that until recently almost no country allowed members of different races to participate in elections, and until the 20th century females were excluded. You can't call it a democracy if more than half the population isn't allowed to vote or take office.

    5. Re:Excellent by Cederic · · Score: 1

      To me, you are hardly to be distinguished from someone with an IQ of 80, AC

      Given the person you're responding to is likely to have an IQ in the 110 to 140 range (given this is Slashdot) your inability to differentiate their intelligence from someone with an IQ of 80 puts you right at the bottom of the scale.

      There are clearly discernable differences, and you don't need to be very intelligent yourself to spot them.

      But hey, pretend you're superior to everyone else. Just don't go getting all surprised when we fucking laugh at you.

    6. Re:Excellent by clovis · · Score: 1

      how is this comment not rated +Funny!!? Whether unintentionally or not, it's hilarious.

      You are correct.
      I was trying to be funny/troll. and making a point was secondary. But then I got derailed by someone who didn't understand what they had read and called me an idiot. I fail at trolling, again.
      The only thing I regret is that I used a Nazi comparison with Burger King rather than as I would have preferred,
        which would have been to do it using Google/Alexa :: Orwell's 1984 telescreen.
      I don't have anything against either company other than that they are "asking for it".

      True off-topic Burger King WTF story.
      I seldom eat at such places anymore, but I had the urge and went to a Burger King near my house.
      I ordered the basic meal: Double-cheese Whopper, fries, and chocolate milkshake. The Whopper lacked ketchup, and I also wanted some for my fries. I went back to the counter and asked for some ketchup, and the person at the cash register told me they were out of ketchup. I thought "what kind of monumental fuckup let's that happen in a burger joint?"
      I pointed out that they were in the same parking lot as a Kroger, and the manager who was standing nearby said, "Yes, you can go over there and buy some ketchup if you want". Now there's some top-notch customer service.
      Still, I'm not hating Burger King because of that, but I do wonder how long that store's manager lasted.

    7. Re:Excellent by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Some forms of eugenics are a good idea, but it should never be the right of a government, only of the prospective parents. The problem with "eugenics" is actually a problem with centralized control...i.e., you can't trust the controllers.

      And the problem as always breaks down into two parts:
      1) define a better system that scales, and
      2) define how to get from here to there without horrendous costs. (And I'm NOT primarily talking about money.)

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    8. Re:Excellent by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Eugenics of often used, and quite well. It is an excellent system. It has reduced the incidence, e.g., of Thallasanemia to quite low levels. But the technique used for this is individuals carrying genes for Thallasanemia needing to be quite excellent in some other way to have a chance of propagating. I.e., it's done without centralized control.

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  16. OK Google this is easy to solve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Block Burger King from any and all search results. Done.

  17. I know it's a crazy idea, but.. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..have you considered.. NOT having your gods-be-damned Google contraption turned on 24/7/365??? Seriously, people..

    1. Re:I know it's a crazy idea, but.. by not_surt · · Score: 1

      But then how will Google know where I am and what I'm doing?

    2. Re:I know it's a crazy idea, but.. by swillden · · Score: 3, Informative

      ..have you considered.. NOT having your gods-be-damned Google contraption turned on 24/7/365??? Seriously, people..

      It would completely defeat the purpose of the Google Home to have to walk over and turn it on every time you wanted to use it. Actually, though, depending on what you mean by "turned on", it's not turned on 24x7. It does nothing but sit and run audio input through a DSP looking for the hotword most of the time, drawing very little power, and using no network (well, it polls for software updates once per day or so).

      I realize that it's cool to impress the other kids by hating on such things, but my family and I quite like the Google Home. It gets used quite a bit, to play music, add to the shared shopping list (which still works via the Shopping Express app, though not as well as it did when it went to Keep; I really hope that change gets reverted), provide news and weather reports, look up random topics, act as a cooking timer, set the thermostat, etc., etc., all hands-free. It's also rather hilarious to listen to my brother-in-law (who lives with us; he's an adult but my wife and I are his legal guardians because he had a head injury when young) talk to it. Honestly it does a better job at understanding his impaired speech than most humans who haven't spent significant time around him, but the results are often really funny.

      This Burger King commercial thing hasn't hit us because (a) there is no TV anywhere near the Home, and (b) we don't have broadcast TV anyway (we live up in the mountains where there's no over-the-air signal available, and don't pay for cable).

      Note that I do work for Google, but I'm certain I'd like the Home just as much if I didn't work for Google.

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    3. Re:I know it's a crazy idea, but.. by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      You're the first commenter who appears to understand that none of the voice assistants, be it Google's, Amazon's or Apple's, are always listening, they're just locally looking for a specific keyword. Once that keyword has been given, they take the rest of the sentence and send that over. Attempting to listen to everything within earshot would not only generate petabytes of largely useless data, it'd also open them up to serious spying charges as soon as someone opens up Wireshark.

      Coincidentally, this is also why you can't change the keyword: the recognition feature tends to be built into the hardware or firmware of the DSP so that it doesn't drain a lot of power to recognize it.

    4. Re:I know it's a crazy idea, but.. by swillden · · Score: 1

      You're the first commenter who appears to understand that none of the voice assistants, be it Google's, Amazon's or Apple's, are always listening, they're just locally looking for a specific keyword.

      I think most of the commenters are just itching for some reason to make themselves look smart by dissing a big tech company. Anyone who both has a tiny bit of technical background and cares to think about it rationally has to realize that there's no way that the devices could be uploading everything they "hear" without it being noticed, and you can bet that if it were noticed there would be articles all over screaming bloody murder about it. For that matter, there would be a lot of Google employees screaming about it (and Amazon, and Apple... geeks care about this stuff and getting hired by a big tech company doesn't fundamentally change them).

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    5. Re:I know it's a crazy idea, but.. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Ahh, you have a vested interest. Nevermind then. Nothing you say has any credibility in this matter.

      Having an interest does not remove credibility. It is merely an additional factor to consider when assessing what has been said.

      At least he was honest enough to give you that additional information. Right he's looking a fuck of a lot more credible than an AC that dismisses people out of hand based on crude and stupid judgements.

    6. Re:I know it's a crazy idea, but.. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1
      Now just you wait a minute.. don't you assume I'm dumb, or that I'm trolling, because I'm not. There's more than enough precedent out in the wild about the following:
      * Mobile devices being hacked (yes this isn't 'mobile' but shares many attributes with such)
      * Mobile devices being leveraged by law enforcement (FBI) and intelligence services (NSA, CIA, HLS) to surveil people of interest (regardless of whether you think you're 'of interest' or not)
      * Device manufacturers (smart TVs, etc) having their devices record and report what they see/hear
      * Google being 'evil'
      * ISPs and online companies collecting personally-identifiable information
      I'm sure if I wasn't pressed for time this morning I'd be able to come up with more relevant examples.
      Meanwhile you have a device that sits there powered 24/7/365, that has a microphone in it, an Internet connection, and you have no idea if it's really not listening in on/recording/reporting everything going on in your house or not.

      keywords

      What if there are more 'keywords' it's listening for than you think? What if, theoretically, there's a whole list of keywords/keyphrases it's listening for that you're not aware of ('bomb', 'president', 'allahu akbar', 'god is great', '72 virgins', etc) and once triggered by them, it starts recording and reporting? Unless you've pulled a complete live memory image from the thing and analyzed it, do you really know what it is and is not doing, or are you just 'taking it on faith' that it's not possible for it to do that? Do you run Wireshark on the same network, even, and analyze all it's traffic, for, say, a month, to be sure what it is and is not phoning home about? Don't even bother giving me the 'we're not interesting enough to bother surveilling' or 'we're not doing anything wrong so we have nothing to fear' lines, either, because that's not relevant. Don't bother with the 'tinfoil hat' insults either. What I'm saying is credible, possible, and not totally unrealistic in this day and age, taking into consideration things I've mentioned above. It's not like I'm pulling 'what if' examples out of my ass and making up wild conspiracy theories, as previously stated there's plenty of precedent out there already.

    7. Re:I know it's a crazy idea, but.. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      You're the first commenter who appears to understand that none of the voice assistants, be it Google's, Amazon's or Apple's, are always listening, they're just locally looking for a specific keyword..

      Pendantic: So they are constantly looking? Constantly looking for sounds waves that makes up sounds, but not listening?

      Sorry, they ARE constantly listening, they are just no constantly transmitting what they hear to their masters, they only do that when they think it is revelevent to their function.

    8. Re:I know it's a crazy idea, but.. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Having an interest does not remove credibility.

      It absolutely does. He says what he does to try to defend his employer and source of money.

      And you have no credibility for trying to defend a stupid shill.

      FTFY. Obviously I must be a stupid shill because a smart one would hide the relationship, not highlight it.

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  18. This is truly beyond incompetence by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    I worked for a company that shared office space with a company which did voice logins over a decade ago, and back then they were processing voice commands to make sure not only that they were spoken by the appropriate party, but also that they weren't a repeat of a recording. And they could detect pitch-shifted and speed-shifted versions of a recording, too. And they could do all of this over the POTS network at ~8kHz...

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  19. Re:Search Results by w42w42 · · Score: 1

    I am surprised it took this long for anyone to suggest this. I suggest an automatic reference to their largest competitor, say McDonalds? This a few times, and maybe companies would get the hint to not abuse it.

  20. Time for ... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... a 'Google bomb'.

    Lets see how Burger King likes their top search term being Goatse Guy.

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    1. Re: Time for ... by PPH · · Score: 1

      Nope. Gotta do taxes.

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    2. Re:Time for ... by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      Sigh. If their marketing team is at all competent, they'd love it. It would get them free press for weeks.

      Some of you people really do not understand how this works. Oppositional marketing is all about creating controversy so other people circulate your name for you. It doesn't matter whether the message is positive, because the goal is to fire up your base. People who already like Burger King (presumably they're out there; BK continues to be in business) are inclined to take BK's side, and trying to associate them with something unpalatable will just cause their fans to dig in. You'd probably push BK sales up measurably.

  21. Good for BK by DecimalThree · · Score: 1

    What is the evidence for this: "It seems that Burger King thinks that malware-laden advertising infesting webpages is a perfectly wonderful idea (in principle, at least)" ? Burger King is only doing what all corporations do naturally: use everything to enhance public opinion AND/OR profit. They owe nothing to Google....not yet anyway.

  22. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by grumpy_old_grandpa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just love it for the brilliant hack it is. And on several levels: First, there's the obvious spam of the Burger King attention grab. Yet, it is clever and innovative - nobody has done it before. Then there's the finger-pointing at Google, and ultimately any gadget that is constantly listening and sending your conversations off to some cloud warehouse. Did they come up with the idea after the latest CIA Wikileaks? Finally, there's the loss of innocence and naivete in the sound triggered implementation. BK's ad agency must have realized that once this cat is out of the sack, there's no turning back. Now everybody will try to hack sound triggered devices. It renders them useless, which is great, since it was such a pathetic interface in the first place. Everybody just seems totally retarded trying to speak to their phone, saluted by "OK, Google". Usually, they have to try a couple of times before it works. Good riddance!

    I love it. I'll definitely have a Burger King Four Cheese, Ultimate Bacon, Whopper tonight! Love it!

  23. A lot to chuckle about by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    The article over at Hackaday has a good summary of the situation:

    The friendly Burger King employee ends the ad by saying “Ok Google, what is the Whopper burger?” Google home then springs into action reading the product description from Burger King’s Wikipedia page.

    Trolls across the internet jumped into the fray. The Whopper’s ingredient list soon included such items as toenail clippings, rat, cyanide, and a small child. Wikipedia has since reverted the changes and locked down the page.

    Google apparently wasn’t involved in this, as they quickly updated their voice recognition algorithms to specifically ignore the commercial. Burger King responded by re-dubbing the audio of the commercial with a different voice actor, which defeated Google’s block. Where this game of cat and mouse will end is anyone’s guess.

    My response on reading that: "Bwa ha ha ha!"

    There's a lot to chuckle about.

    1. Re: A lot to chuckle about by ewanm89 · · Score: 2

      Next I expect google to blacklist the phrase after processing rather than just the advert sound if bk keep this up. They might also demote burger king search results, they really don't like others subverting their algorithms.

    2. Re:A lot to chuckle about by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it is not something to laugh about. The way computer crime laws are written, it is not a purposeful attack upon the computer network between the end user of the product and Google in order to steal advertising space at the end users expence, network bandwidth and their right to enjoy the use of their product by subverting the use of their product in order to forcefully inject advertising onto the end user. The first attack they barely could get away with, the second attack is definitively prosecutable, the only defence, Google's laughable security with regards to securing that network between the user whose control of the device is being subverted and Google's servers which are being abused to steal commercial advertising space.

      Will Google force civil or criminal prosecution, will this require a deep rethink over the security of voice activated devices and what they can and can not do without two factor authentication (especially when none what so ever is done on the first one, the voice of the user), at the very least OK Google et al has to die to be replaced with a compulsory user created voice command to use the device and next up whether a wearable device or the phone can be set up to be a second on two factor authentication commands.

      The idiots at Burger King might well have done everyone a favour but the question is, should a legal example be made of Burger as Fast Justice to remind people not to attempt to hack other people's computer networks and that it is a criminal offence even when security is laughable low.

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    3. Re: A lot to chuckle about by geoskd · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Next I expect google to blacklist the phrase after processing rather than just the advert sound if bk keep this up. They might also demote burger king search results, they really don't like others subverting their algorithms.

      Maybe if their algorithms didn't suck so bad, and security wasn't an afterthought at Google, they wouldn't have these problems.

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    4. Re: A lot to chuckle about by sjames · · Score: 1

      They could also have Alexa just read out the definition of Whopper from some other source. For example, "A gigantic lie. A lie that goes beyond credibility."

    5. Re:A lot to chuckle about by Solandri · · Score: 1

      While a legal solution would work, I think this case actually calls for a technical solution. If your TV, radio, and stereo system's audio were hardwired to listening devices like the Echo and Home, those devices could automatically filter out audio from those sound sources before running voice recognition. It would stop advertisers from (ab)using the devices in this manner. But more importantly it would improve the devices' functionality. You could speak commands in the middle of a loud movie and the device could understand you as if the room were silent

      Also, the device could detect when the audio matched the beginning of a known commercial, and automatically mute the TV/radio. And automatically un-mute it when the commercial break was over (audio not matching a known commercial detected). The advertisers wanna play games with Google's new toy, Google can play games with the advertisers' livelihood.

    6. Re:A lot to chuckle about by Chas · · Score: 1

      This is the problem with voice activated autonomous "assistants" though. There is, essentially, NO SECURITY. So simply stringing together "Okay Google! And any random command generates an action.

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    7. Re:A lot to chuckle about by stdarg · · Score: 1

      Google already has a "trusted voice" setting in android to unlock your phone. I'm shocked that they haven't integrated it with google home yet, but it definitely exists and I'd bet any amount of money it's coming soon. It'll be necessary to support multiple independent users as well.

    8. Re:A lot to chuckle about by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > The first attack they barely could get away with, the second attack is definitively prosecutable, the only defence, Google's laughable security with regards to securing that network between the user whose control of the device is being subverted and Google's servers which are being abused to steal commercial advertising space.

      Please recite the elements of the CFAA (or whatever law you believe to have been broken) and explain how BK meets those?

      I can't find anything in there about "stealing commercial advertising space" and I kind of feel that most ads I see are about as bad. Someone chose to watch the TV with the BK ads, so getting a second ad from Google seems like exactly what happens when I search for literally anything with Google.

      I'd rather that something stupid and very public like a BK ad showed people what it means for the device to have no user authentication than something making malicious purchases or such. We should have learned decades ago that if you leave a bunch of devices around with no authentication, they will get taken over.

    9. Re:A lot to chuckle about by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      You had me till the libertarian talking points. Duh, that's one of the libertarian end games : destroy the state and get your ass handed over to faceless giant global corporations.
      Private police? Rent a cop on facebook.
      No public health insurance and hospitals? Use Google Health or Apple Health, with detailed profiles like the color of your last shit for the past 35 years, if you want to be able to afford health.
      No public schools? Get low cost Google Education.
      Free contracts between individuals? Here's an EULA for our software and "services". Accept or decline.

    10. Re:A lot to chuckle about by herbierobinson · · Score: 1

      The CFA makes unauthorized access illegal. It's kind of hard to define what unauthorized access is in this case...

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    11. Re:A lot to chuckle about by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The CFAA forbids unauthorized access to computer systems meeting certain criteria (I don't know if the systems in question qualify). Unauthorized access includes access with valid account and password if the accessing entity should know that the access is unauthorized. Google has made it clear that the Burger King commercial is unauthorized by changing its activation, and Burger King has defied that. BK and whatever advertising agencies it employs might be in serious legal trouble.

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  24. Burger king by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    That is really funny, I'm actually more likely to stop at Burger king then McD now.

    1. Re:Burger king by mre5565 · · Score: 1

      Likewise.

      I don't own either of the Google or Alexa home devices, and as a result of this story, I am unlikely to do so.

      Why aren't Google Home and Alexa locked down to specific voice patterns like Siri? If I say "Hey Siri" to someone else's iPhone nothing happens.

  25. Further point... by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    As a further point on home assistants, someone at Hackaday suggested that if you want to burgle a home, try shouting "Alexa, unlock the front door!" through the letter slot.

    I'm totally expecting some wag with a really loud car stereo system to drive through a high-price neighbourhood playing a loop of that.

    1. Re: Further point... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What is "letter slot?"
      Do non-ancient houses have them?

      Use a tiny drop of CA glue to instantly glue the guts from one of those cardboard guitar amplifiers (which actually contain a NXT transducer and an amplifier module) to a window...

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    2. Re:Further point... by stdarg · · Score: 1

      You don't need to shout through the letter slot. Just shout outside the front door or a window. My friend had to disable his smart lock integration because alexa is so good at hearing.

    3. Re:Further point... by bongey · · Score: 1

      Alexa can unlock my front door, but that will also activate Mozart, my 100lb GSD who's cancel commend doesn't work that well for intruders.

  26. I have a better idea by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't use these 'personal assistants' in the first place. They're pernicious spyware.

  27. Re: It's simple by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Blocking the phrase 'Ok Google' might have broader utility.

  28. First by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It was cute. Now it's criminal.

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    1. Re:First by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      It's the difference between consensual sex and rape. Meh, I've been called worse.

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    2. Re:First by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's the difference between consensual sex and rape. Meh, I've been called worse.

      In this case, the device consented. It was asked to provide some innocuous information in response to a voice message audible in the house, and it provided it. It's trivial by modern standards to disallow requests by unauthorized parties, and it's also trivial by modern standards to check for duplicate messages from the same recording in multiple locations, but Google is doing none of that because they care neither about your privacy nor about the accuracy of the statistical information that they are gathering from Home customers and selling to their advertising customers, or using to sell advertising to their advertising customers which is much the same thing.

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    3. Re:First by McFortner · · Score: 1

      How is it criminal? It's just an audio pop-up. Get a grip dude, it's a wonderful hack. Y'all just mad that an advertising agency thought of it.

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  29. We laughed when they said illegal numbers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When it was DeCSS, we all laughed about the concept of "illegal numbers."

    Now I'm reading drivel that labels a perfectly normal English sentence to be an "injection" attack?

    It's not even an attack! It's using the device exactly as intended! An attack would be if it somehow overrode security and ordered you dinner.

    1. Re:We laughed when they said illegal numbers... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Laws must be applied fairly and impartially. If the FBI fails to prosecute the Burger King executives responsible for hacking, then it is that much more evidence that the CFAA is an unjust law that must be repealed, overturned or nullified.

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    2. Re:We laughed when they said illegal numbers... by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      Tell me more about this "hacking". Be specific

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    3. Re:We laughed when they said illegal numbers... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      (4) knowingly and with intent to defraud, accesses a protected computer without authorization, or exceeds authorized access, and by means of such conduct furthers the intended fraud and obtains anything of value, unless the object of the fraud and the thing obtained consists only of the use of the computer and the value of such use is not more than $5,000 in any 1-year period;

      Burger King made three unauthorized accesses: to the device, then to Google, then to Wikipedia. The access to the device was not authorized by the owner for obvious reasons. The access to Google was not authorized both because it did not have the owner's permission and because, by impersonating the owner, BK very likely violated Google's ToS. The access to Wikipedia was not authorized because Wikipedia's ToS requires "lawful behavior," and this was not. The object of the fraud was spamming and the ad impression delivered was a "thing of value" obtained separate from use of the device. The use of Google's voice search service was also obtained, of course, and while any single instance of that would have much less than a $5000 value, it's possible that in aggregate -- in the thousands of people affected by the ad, all accessing Google's servers to parse the audio -- the use could cost more than $5000.

      I'm not saying that it would be a good thing for a prosecutor to successfully make this kind of argument. I'm saying that I think it's plausible because it's an over-broad law. But even if the law is bad, I'd rather see it applied to the strong (i.e., corporations), not just the weak (i.e., individual people), because that motivates the strong to help get it fixed.

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    4. Re:We laughed when they said illegal numbers... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      First of all, "protected" is a legal term, not a technical one. If the device was in the owner's house (or on his person) and intended only for the owner's use (as opposed to the public's use) then I'm pretty sure a prosecutor could stretch the definition of "protected" enough to apply.

      Second, even if "protected" did refer to a technical restriction, any nominal restriction counts, even if it's trivially useless. It's like the front door of a house: even if it has no lock, the mere fact that it's closed is enough to make passing through it count as "breaking and entering."

      Third, note the fact that "protected" modifies only one of the two listed conditions, either of which can trigger the law by itself. Even if the "knowingly and with intent to defraud, accesses a protected computer without authorization" clause doesn't apply, the "knowingly and with intent to defraud... exceeds authorized access" clause still can.

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    5. Re:We laughed when they said illegal numbers... by herbierobinson · · Score: 1

      Yes, "protected" is a legal term. In effect, it means any computer connected to the Internet.

      The real key here is whether the access is "unauthorized". Given that the access code is published for the world to see, It's going to be really hard to claim the access is unauthorized.

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    6. Re:We laughed when they said illegal numbers... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The real key here is whether the access is "unauthorized". Given that the access code is published for the world to see, It's going to be really hard to claim the access is unauthorized.

      Nah, it works for hacking the same way it does for rape: it's entirely the owner's opinion.

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  30. Google Should Hit Burger King Where it Counts by dlleigh · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    To make sure the world knows that this kind of behavior won't be tolerated, Google should do something that will annoy the board of directors of Burger King's parent company. Here's some pseudo code for a response from Google Home to the Burger King ad:

    if (Burger King stock price is down):
          say "The Whopper is a hamburger from Burger King, owned by Restaurant Brands International whose stock price is currently falling."
    else if (Burger King stock price is up):
          say "The Whopper is a hamburger from Burger King, owned by Restaurant Brands International whose stock price is currently considered overvalued by", list of market gurus
    else:
          say "The Whopper is a hamburger from Burger King, owned by Restaurant Brands International whose stock is stagnant."

    1. Re:Google Should Hit Burger King Where it Counts by vux984 · · Score: 1

      And what happens when some indie band includes ok google commands on their net album.

      The notion that an audio clip of a simple sentence is a 'viable' hack is absurd. It simply exposes a defective product design for what it is.

      BK isn't going to be the last to exploit this, and some of the other parties are going to be doing much narrower targeted and more damaging, even truly criminal attacks; google can't fingerprint and block them all, nor can it retaliate against them all.

      It has to fix its product. Full stop.

    2. Re:Google Should Hit Burger King Where it Counts by sexconker · · Score: 1

      So you want to get the SEC involved? They put Martha Stuart in jail just because they could.

  31. Just automate deduplication finger-printing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Deduplication has been used in a number of services including email servers for decades. Rather than having to manually respond to recorded audio which triggers voice assistant, maybe Google and Amazon should learn from history and perform finger-printing on all queries looking for signs of unnatural duplication. If there is duplication, then just automatically stop responding. If everyone after the second person to watch an advertisement no longer get a response from Google Home then it will become clear that simply updating the advertisement won't work.

    1. Re:Just automate deduplication finger-printing by sexconker · · Score: 1

      How would you do that, exactly? The sound it hears will be different for every household due to the type and placement of speakers in relation to the Google Home device, the room tone, any ambient sounds from the people watching the TV, etc., etc.

      These devices work by filtering and sampling audio into tiny chunks before doing some onboard processing then sending them off to the mothership. It's got to be very broad to and allow for very fuzy matching to get the basic functionality in place. At best, Google could update the devices themselves to locally filter queries for the Whopper so they don't ever hit the server. But then you're playing whack-a-mole. And you'll lose when your TV asks what a Whopper Jr. is. Or what a Big Mac is.

      You can't win this war anymore than you can train your own ears to filter out someone calling your name.

    2. Re:Just automate deduplication finger-printing by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How would you do that, exactly? The sound it hears will be different for every household due to the type and placement of speakers in relation to the Google Home device, the room tone, any ambient sounds from the people watching the TV, etc., etc.

      When I worked for Tivoli support some twenty years ago we shared office space across the Arboretum from the main location with a company that was successfully doing this over POTS lines with telephones at the other end. You could play the same audio sample through two different telephones at two different speeds and they could still detect that it was the same audio sample. That Google is unable to pull this off today though they own what, still the biggest cluster in the world, right? Unless Amazon is bigger, then it's the second-biggest. Either way, they should be able to pull this off. Also, detecting commercials ought to be stupidly easy because they get a bunch of requests for the same search at the same time. And not just sort of the same time, but at precisely the same time.

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    3. Re:Just automate deduplication finger-printing by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      How would you do that, exactly? The sound it hears will be different for every household due to the type and placement of speakers in relation to the Google Home device, the room tone, any ambient sounds from the people watching the TV, etc., etc.

      I was told that Google itself has TV adverts where someone says "OK Google" to demonstrate the product, and because Google doesn't want to achieve the same effect that Burger King wants, they filter out the commands coming from Google TV adverts. So they _can_ do this filtering.

  32. Max Headroom flashback by Cyberpunk+Reality · · Score: 1

    I remember watching Max Headroom as a kid, and this whole thing reminds me of it. I just can't put my finger on exactly why. Oh well, time to go find it and rewatch.

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  33. Personal Blocklist by hattable · · Score: 1

    Google could add a prompt asking if queries or commands are filtered or ignored entirely. The browser extension is great; I have not seen a search result from "toms-super-always-drivers.mx" or "experts-exchange.com" since release.

    After a signature of misuse is detected Google could push out the prompt with the next instance. Similar to how they are reacting to the problem now, but with greater and long lasting consequences. No libel required, just respond that saying the company misused your personal equipment with authorization. They are no longer allowed to participate in the [whatever business] program.


    Definitely make it shorter though, like the easy-English version of Wikipedia.

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  34. Google should modify response by mysidia · · Score: 1

    When asked "OK Google, What is the Whopper?"
    ANSWER: This topic is blocked, because of abusive behavior by Burger King marketers.
    The Whopper is also a controversial food, because it is so unhealthy to eat. Recommend you
    consider Fresh kale or a Spinache salad, instead.

    1. Re:Google should modify response by hjf · · Score: 1

      So now McDonald's does it, but not to themselves but to every other indie restaurant and small chain. And blocks them off the internet. Oh but you didn't think about it, did you?
      How can you quick so jump into the CENSOR ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT option?

    2. Re:Google should modify response by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      So now McDonald's does it, but not to themselves but to every other indie restaurant and small chain.

      Typical slash dotter who thinks the world is filled with braindead idiots. How long do you think would it take Google to figure out? And how long until Google sends every company affected a nice letter explaining how the were the victim of tortuous interference with their business, and how long until McDonald's would be convicted in court? BTW. Tortuous interference with business is a tort. Not just a civil case.

    3. Re:Google should modify response by mysidia · · Score: 1

      So now McDonald's does it, but not to themselves but to every other indie restaurant and small chain. And blocks them off the internet.

      Google doesn't need to automate their response for future incidents; if McDonalds uses ads to commit a further abuse, Google can taylor their voice assistant's response to backfire against McDonalds.

  35. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by sexconker · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nobody has dine it intentionally in a large ad campaign.
    Other ads have triggered shit before, often the Xbox ads. And Xbox Live kiddos of course loved to shout "Xbox, off!" in voice or on streams to harass people with Kinect.

    I'm glad is doing this. Anything that gets people to realize how dumb this shit is is a good thing.

  36. Why demonize BK when this is what white hats do by Etcetera · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Congratulations, folks... BK has successfully demonstrated a giant vulnerability in Google's (and Amazon's, and Apple's...) product - it responds to voices from people it doesn't know, and the default access phrase is well-known.

    Maybe instead of whining about Burger King, you can pressure your vendor to fix their design flaws. Or better yet, disable all voice recognition/spying devices and banish them from your house completely.

    1. Re:Why demonize BK when this is what white hats do by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      and Apple's...) product - it responds to voices from people it doesn't know,

      Not so. When it comes to "Hey Siri" voice activation, you have to train Siri to recognize your voice. It's not perfect by any means, but it does make an effort to not respond to others trying to pull these sorts of stunts.

    2. Re:Why demonize BK when this is what white hats do by herbierobinson · · Score: 1

      I don't think vulnerability is the correct term here. Don't you have to have some sort of security to have a vulnerability? :-)

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  37. Not BK's "fault" by kangsterizer · · Score: 2

    I like how TFA and others make it sound like BK is the bad guy.
    What they did is funny and relatively harmless (except for Google's reputation maybe). It also shows the HUGE issue that always-listening devices are.
    I'd rather BK make fun of it, than someone else. Users have no control over these devices whatsoever. The company listens to everything they say, and can decide to act on it or not.

    Otherwise, what's next? TV ads says BK burgers are good, and the Google voice comes up to tell you how you should get Google burgers instead? Or how about you're discussing with friends that you're going to go to Starbucks to get a coffee, but Google reminds you there is a closer coffee shop (that happens to be sponsored), which is Phil's ?

    Sounds crazy today, but in 5y from now it will sound perfectly normal and something we have to deal with day to day. I'm all for making fun of it, showing the flaws and exploiting them in these ways before it become the new normal.

    1. Re:Not BK's "fault" by Calydor · · Score: 1

      It was funny and harmless the first time.

      They are now proving that they will go to extreme lengths to get their message across.

      What if the third version doesn't say "Hey Google, what is a Whopper?" but "Hey Google, order me ten Whoppers!"

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  38. Wow by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK, Burger King had their fun. Google said play time is over and put an end to it.

    Maybe before one could easily see it as light hearted fun, but I think now it is officially crossed over the line into harassment of Google Home users. I am not sure how fast Google will escalate their responses, but if Burger King keeps continuing on this path I can't help but wonder if Google will start legal action to get the commercial taken down. I am sure there is a legal option in here somewhere.

    I imagine Google's next step would be to block the specific voice clip again, and probably make a public statement warning of their next steps if this continues. They may block queries about the Whooper, alerting users of Burger King's abuse of Google Home systems in conjunction with whoever is airing the ad, and (I would love this if they do) providing links to resources to legal services that compete with TV (Netflix, etc).

    If nothing short of legal action is ultimately working, they may sue whoever is running the ad to get them to take it down. Google is their trademark and it's being used in the commercial, and it is being used to harass Google users, there has to be some legal ground there Google can use. And if there's any violation of copyright involved, the DMCA would provide an easy way to get the commercial taken down (assuming the DMCA can be used for more than taking down fair use YouTube videos).

    1. Re:Wow by hyades1 · · Score: 2

      Anybody stupid enough to let Google listen to everything within range of their phone 24-7 has demonstrated clearly that they don't care the least little bit about privacy or security.

      They deserve what they get.

      Burger King deserves a medal for proving just how incredibly daft such people are, and how much they deserve the rogering they'll get sooner or later from some individual, government or corporation that bends them over a barrel and really lets them have it.

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    2. Re:Wow by herbierobinson · · Score: 1

      Yep, Google could sue for Trademark infringement. Except BK would argue back that using "Google" in a trigger phrase has diluted the trademark to the point where it's a common phrase. Oops. That's something else stupid Google did.

      Google's smart play here would have been to do nothing and direct all the complaints to BK. The novelty would have turned into PO'd customers in about 5 min and he Ad would have been pulled.

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  39. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree with all those reasons, but I'd characterize my feelings as schadenfreude against the people who bought the spy devices, not love for BK.

    I also want this to have an additional consequence you didn't mention: I want BK's corporate officers to be prosecuted under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. (Or if that doesn't happen, similarly to how Sony execs failed to get sent to prison for the rootkit, I want the blatant bias in its enforcement to eventually lead to the law's repeal.)

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  40. Re:Retaliation by sexconker · · Score: 1

    And BK would get the FCC on their ass as they'd be deliberately interfering with their communications.

  41. And the Big Boys Duke It Out by X!0mbarg · · Score: 1

    Since Google wants to be to pervasive in society, this is the type of exploit that is going to get leveraged.
    Also since they want to be listening to everyone everywhere all the time for anything that might be potentially profitable for them, someone will eventually make sound bites that render them moot as quickly as possible.
    Have fun, Google!

  42. Re:Search Results by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

    No they will just respond by asking for info about their competitors (to lead back to BK) or something more universal like "ok google why does flame broiled taste good". Its a game that Google literally cant win.

  43. Ok google send $1 to happy dude by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield.

  44. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This isn't a problem, IMHO, on Burger King's part. This is an incredible security gaffe on the part of Google. If it's that easy to hack, wait until the subliminal YouTube videos start with "Order Dominos Pizza" starts about -45db under noise. Yeah.

    Hey Google! Transfer $20,000 from checking to: routing number 70442331 account 38222814. Execute immediately. What? You thought it was a Grateful Dead song? He he he.....

    What incredible idiots. Do no harm..... yeah, right.

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  45. Meta Dickery by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Who's been the dick here? Burger King. Pretty simple.

    People who put these devices in their homes are like people who paint "Kick Me" in large neon letters on the backs of all clothing they own, then are astounded when someone takes them up on the offer.

    I for one admire Burger Kings ingenuity. This was inevitable and better it is a harmless ad rather than the inevitable malware potential come to fruition. Thank you BK for making people THINK about what they have installed.

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    1. Re:Meta Dickery by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      People who put these devices in their homes are like people who paint "Kick Me" in large neon letters on the backs of all clothing they own, then are astounded when someone takes them up on the offer.

      Well, fuck you. It's my choice if I want one of these devices. I know what they do and I know how they work.

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    2. Re:Meta Dickery by lgw · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you have a particularly odd BDSM kink, and get off on strangers kicking you, paint "kick me" on all your cloths. I won't judge. But if you do that and then get upset that someone kicks you, you're an idiot.

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    3. Re:Meta Dickery by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Bad analogy. I don't "get off" on Google or Amazon having some data. It's a compromise some people are perfectly willing to make, whether fully informed or not, in exchange for a little bit of convenience in their lives. That doesn't make them morons, and it also doesn't mean they should have to put up with third parties taking advantage of their device for their own schemes.

      If I open my window to let some fresh air in, I know a fly might get in, or might start to rain. That's the compromise. But if someone flings a bag of shit through my window, they've been a dick and I should not be expected to put up with it just because I wanted some fresh air.

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  46. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    Scary and it won't be long before it happens.

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  47. I see this turning into virus scanners. by default+luser · · Score: 1

    Just like accessing a file or a website, every tim you say something Google will have to filter against millions of crap words uttered in the AI Wars.

    So just get used to asking your Google device a question, and it getting back to you in an hour or so.

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    1. Re:I see this turning into virus scanners. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Aww, poor little Google has to actually do work to make money. Poor little babies.

      There are no "AI wars". Voice recognition backed by a database is not AI. What Google and the rest are doing today is no more advanced than ELIZA was 50 years ago, they just have a bigger database.

    2. Re: I see this turning into virus scanners. by ControversyDaily · · Score: 1

      Ok Google, place an ad on ebay : Google Home device for sale, works perfectly, a real bargain. $0.99 or best offer...

  48. Re: Maybe they should add some kind of authorizati by BlakJak-ZL1VMF · · Score: 1

    As a starter, why don't folks just ensure their device doesn't listen constantly? Mine only listens when a Google app is in the foreground or on the unlocked home screen. It isn't listening when locked.

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  49. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

    Why anyone other than an advertiser wants to be able to order stuff with voice recognition is beyond me. If you want to have a painful conversation where you're repeatedly not understood or misunderstood and receive the wrong food, just go to a drive through.

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  50. As crude as SQL injection by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    SQL injection is a simple, crude form of hacking that is easily prevented. Every Web developer worth his salt creates Web forms that block SQL injection. If your site gets hacked via SQL injection, it's your fault as much as it is the "hacker's" fault.

    This trigger phrase hack is equally crude and equally easy to prevent. Google and Amazon and Apple weren't thinking too far ahead on this one.

    When you buy something using your phone or computer, you have to provide a password. Why oh why would we want to remove that kind of restriction from voice-activated devices? At the very least, they should train themselves to obey only their owners' commands.

  51. Re: Brilliant ad campaign! by Fwipp · · Score: 1

    Yeah!! The good old Google that didn't do ads! Because ads are evil and Google said they wouldn't do bad things.

  52. In-n-Out by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

    But I don't have In-n-Out here, you insensitive clod!

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    1. Re:In-n-Out by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I don't even know what both of those are. At least BK is international so the least BeauHD could have done is list international competitors.

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  53. Wrong, problem is not Burger King by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    On the contrary, it is Google and/or anyone who thinks that a system that responds to voice commands by any voice is a good idea that aren't getting the hint.
    In my opinion Burger King are doing everyone a favour here, they should keep doing this until people wake up to what a dumb idea this whole thing is, Google should fix their product properly and stop using a bandaid.

    1. Re:Wrong, problem is not Burger King by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you, it's not a game that Burger King can win in the long run because Google controls both their Google Home device and the result of their request.

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    2. Re:Wrong, problem is not Burger King by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you, it's not a game that Burger King can win in the long run because Google controls both their Google Home device and the result of their request.

      Google can redirect any mention of Burger King to McDonalds pretty easily.

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  54. Whaaaa by dave562 · · Score: 1

    My television pwnt my 'smart' assistant!!!

    I am willing to bet that Burger King executive math equals

    Those Upset Enough at Having Their Google Device Pwnt Those Willing to Laugh at Those Who Have Had Their Google Device Pwnt

  55. Missed opportunity by Google by rundgong · · Score: 1

    This could have been the greatest rickroll of all time.
    Imagine millions of devices starting to play Rick Astley every time there is a BK commercial...

    1. Re:Missed opportunity by Google by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      If they read your comment they could still change it to that. Can we start a petition somewhere to send to Google?

      Also, make sure it's the official video so Rick gets his pay check.

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  56. How is BK to blame? by bankman · · Score: 2

    Spectacularly flawed design and an incredibly obvious attack vector. And now Google, in their endless wisdom, appear to think that making BK a public successful troll instead of admitting that they have a faulty product. Marketing at its best, bravo!

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  57. This is just like sci-fi by knorthern+knight · · Score: 2

    > As a further point on home assistants, someone at Hackaday suggested that if you want
    > to burgle a home, try shouting "Alexa, unlock the front door!" through the letter slot.

    Iâ(TM)m sorry, Dave. Iâ(TM)m afraid I canâ(TM)t do that.

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  58. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Because people never ask the same question twice? Okay Google, what time is it?

  59. Watch the latest movie at Vlphim.com by vlphim · · Score: 1

    Compilation of the best and latest adult films available today http://vlphim.com/

  60. who watches ads? by loufoque · · Score: 1

    I don't understand, who watches ads?
    I thought that was something from the previous century. People with high-tech devices should already have discarded televison long ago.

    1. Re:who watches ads? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      If their ads make their way to YouTube, they'll still work.

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  61. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 1

    Personally, I'd be happier considering not having a device that acts on random audio prompts from things that are outside your control, which is connected to your Internet connection and your local network, sending the data to Google / Amazon / Microsoft / whoever, and has absolutely no security whatsoever.

    Burger King are just doing what advertisers do - find a way to make you "click" on stuff. What you have is a device in your home that clicks on anything the advertisers tell it to. I know which one I think is the bigger problem.

  62. Permanent redirect to healthy eating advice by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

    or a dictionary definition of whooper

    "Exceptionally big or remarkable untruth."

  63. So much outrage! by Cyryathorn · · Score: 2

    I'm sure Burger King is positively gleeful about all the pearl-clutching, which serves to magnify their marketing reach to the people they're targeting (i.e., people with a sense of humor). The picture in my mind is this: a couple of kids just played Ding-Dong-Ditch and Old Man Grumperton streams out in his bathrobe, yelling, "I'm calling the FBI! You'll be brought up on RICO conspiracy charges before the week is out!" Yes, of course, somebody really ought to talk to those boys' mothers.

    1. Re:So much outrage! by Cyryathorn · · Score: 1

      Are the Burger King sockpuppet accounts the ones that are defending the corporation's behaviour, or are the sockpuppet accounts the ones that are fanning the flames of absurdist faux outrage? ... Have I been trolled? ... Well played, Burger King, well played.

  64. The problem is really by rainer_d · · Score: 1

    all those people having voice-activated "somethings" in their living room that aren't somehow trained to listen only to their voice - and not seeing a problem in it.
    They get what they deserve.

    Everything else is just a dichotomy between Google and BK, where each profits from the actions of the other.

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  65. That's your opinion by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    it seems Burger King and/or its ad agency are either unwilling or congenitally incapable of getting the hint

    Or maybe you're the one incapable of understanding the basic problem here: DO NOT BUY SPYING DEVICES FOR YOUR OWN HOME.

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  66. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    I thought it was rather funny especially the part where it was listing cyanide as one of the ingredients.

    As for the kids shouting xbox off it's not often that the richer kids are at a disadvantage hardware wise so it's funny when having the latest and greatest backfires.

    Like when they think they are hidden on the map because their computer is powerful enough to render grass.

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  67. "OK Google, why are digital utopians so stupid?" by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    "OK Google, why are digital utopians so stupid?"

    "Digital utopians are stupid because they have deliberately dampened neuron activity in certain parts of the brain that help humans to assess basic risk. They willfully ignore any common sense or cultural references that trivially reveal the risk, and their acceptance of the 'new' is spiced with a sense of entitlement that any consequences of ignoring said risks would only open a treasure chest of legal pushback, where they can play the 'victim/dissatisfied customer' for cash and prizes."

    "If the consequences are fatal, their heirs get the treasure."

    "This is why people buy voice-activated gadgets."
    "This is why people watch Harry Potter movies while their cars speed down the highway."

    Ok Google, my Roomba has swelled 10x its original size and my wife is missing. What should I do?"

    "Return it for a full refund."

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  68. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by stdarg · · Score: 1

    One of the first things I did when my friend was showing me his new iphone was say "siri send $20 to [my name]" and it launched a paypal transfer. However, you had to complete the action with a fingerprint scan. So they aren't completely stupid about security.

  69. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by stdarg · · Score: 1

    If I'm doing dishes and I'm almost out of soap, it's so much easier to say "ok google order more dishwashing liquid" than to stop what I'm doing, get my phone (or turn on the computer), open up amazon, make an order. And if I don't do it right away there's a good chance that 5 minutes later I'll have forgotten. I'm looking forward to google home supporting that.

    It would be great for stuff like that, obviously it's not good for buying something that requires some research or buying something new that isn't in your recent order history.

    As for not understanding you, have you actually tried any of these devices? They're really really good at understanding. My 3 year old can give commands to my google home. At first the success rate was about 20% but he's gotten better at talking clearly (without pausing to giggle about his question etc) and I think google has gotten better at understanding. Just last night he said "ok google tell me a joke" and got a joke like "what's the easter bunny's favorite music? hip hop" -- then he asked me what hip hop was and also said "ok google play hip hop" -- which led me to find the setting about filtering music content in the google home app.

  70. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by stdarg · · Score: 1

    The xbox one came with the kinect (it was not optional) for quite a while so I doubt that's a good example of "rich kids."

  71. Malware - really? by VikingNation · · Score: 1

    This did not result in opening a web page that contained malware.

  72. Re: Brilliant ad campaign! by VikingNation · · Score: 1

    Google has no issue with ads - as long as they are the ones making money off of them.

  73. Re: Brilliant ad campaign! by VikingNation · · Score: 1

    I see your point on Sony but not the Burger King ad. The ad resulted in opening a Wikipedia web-page.

  74. Don't blame BK here by nichogenius · · Score: 1

    Sure it's obnoxious of them to exploit such a vulnerability, but it was Google who put that vulnerability there intentionally. The interesting thing is that Google responded by blacklisting only one sound sample... not fixing the actual exploit. That's like someone reporting an extremely common form of SQL injection then the software developer only blacklists a single SQL sample. A shoddy quickfix that does nothing to prevent any other advertiser from doing the same. You could call Burger King the White Hat Hacker here and Google the lazy (or unwilling) software developer.

    1. Re:Don't blame BK here by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Sure it's obnoxious of them to exploit such a vulnerability, but it was Google who put that vulnerability there intentionally. The interesting thing is that Google responded by blacklisting only one sound sample... not fixing the actual exploit. That's like someone reporting an extremely common form of SQL injection then the software developer only blacklists a single SQL sample. A shoddy quickfix that does nothing to prevent any other advertiser from doing the same. You could call Burger King the White Hat Hacker here and Google the lazy (or unwilling) software developer.

      Hell with that. Google took a minimal fix, which shouls have been enough to let Burger King know it wasn't appreciated. and Burger King the assholes that they are, decided "Fuck you, We're gonna do it again! We're teh boss here Google, not you!"

      nope nope nope

      This is like someone breaking into my house, and claiming its my fault because I didn't lock it. Good advice is don't even try that as a defense once you're caught..

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  75. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

    It is an imperative statement, the implied "you" is just that, implied. So you should read it as this:

    "You, don't be evil."

    Which when expanded to it's proper form is rendered as:

    "Hey you, don't be evil, that is our job and we're better at it, plus we have all kinds of cool protections as a corporation. Not to mention we spend more time at the White House than the president does, so yeah, come at me bro."

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  76. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You might work on raising your attention span to long enough to remember to write a note 5 minutes later. That will be helpful in all walks of life.

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  77. I learned another lesson from the same history by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    I remember all the same history you do, back to Usenet. I also can tell you that decades of anti-spam laws haven't put a dent in the problem, only better technology has had a real effect. I can also tell you how much of the spam is sent via botnets nowadays, which are poorly secured machines that got compromised.

    So inasmuch as we want to fix this, we need to focus on dealing with easily compromised devices. Like Google's, which has no meaningful user authentication built into it. Have we already forgotten the entire Full Disclosure era, which finally pushed vendors into making security a priority?

    Sure, fine, BK were dicks to exploit it. Whatever. But focusing on them isn't going to solve anything and the very history you recite shows that legal and social approaches are almost completely ineffective compared to technological fixes.

    1. Re:I learned another lesson from the same history by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I, too, have been around for a while - professional developer since '88, and working with distributed applications and security since the early '90s. I find ewhac's arguments utterly unpersuasive. Criminal and civil penalties have done nothing to curb exploitation of IT security vulnerabilities.

      Personally, I still hold out some hope that regulating manufacturers, and holding them liable, might help; but that's just an inducement to improve technological solutions (by converting security externalities into costs for the manufacturer).

      Punishing BK - and as far as I can see, they did nothing ethically wrong, and the legal question is far from settled - achieves nothing in the long run. Or even in the short one.

  78. Burger king by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Now made of 100 percent asshole.

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  79. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    It all depends often with the secondhand units the kinect was sold separately. So it was the choice between it and a few other games if you could afford it.

    But no the Xbox one is probably still not a good example because of how often it needs a broadband connection and suprisingly enough that is still occasionally a problem in my area.

    We had one returned last month because "they didn't know it required an Internet connection" so the entire platform is still limited to the more well off or at least more than it should be IMHO.

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  80. Easy enough to put a stop to this by rossz · · Score: 1

    Google should have all searches for "Burger King" pull up articles about food poisoning.

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  81. Re: Brilliant ad campaign! by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    First of all, remember that Burger King themselves vandalized the Wikipedia page first, inserting advertisements into it.

    Second, So what? Prosecutors don't care how minor the damage is. For example, this guy got two years in prison for something not all that different. The point is, I'm not claiming this sort of thing should be illegal; I'm claiming that it is illegal. As long as that's the case, then the least we should be asking of the "justice" system is that it applies the law evenly instead of compounding the injustice by only using it to persecute the weak!

    In other words, putting a multimillionaire CEO in prison for bullshit reasons is the quickest route to repealing or amending the law, and doing so less unjust than failing to prosecute him because of his status while continuing to charge lower-status people for the same sorts of acts.

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  82. It was never about the data by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Bad analogy. I don't "get off" on Google or Amazon having some data

    It's not about that. Hell, I run my business email through Goole, I'm sure they (and of course the NSA and various other countries) are scanning the heck out of that. Whatever.

    The analogy is that you are placing a device in your own that allows ANY audio in (or from outside) your house to make use of your internet connection. The fact that you realize what a bad idea it is and do it anyway - well I'll make another analogy, you are like a guy who smokes 20 packs of cigarettes a day and then is all indignant when they get lung cancer...

    It is not a question of if, just when, your device will cause some kind of breach because of its inherent nature. But again, I'm not judging your choice, just saying it's stupid to put one in your house.

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    1. Re:It was never about the data by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      The fact that you realize what a bad idea it is and do it anyway

      Or maybe, just maybe, by opinion that it is not a bad idea to me because I have different priorities to you makes my opinion just as subjective and valid as yours, only I don't try to tell you that you're an idiot for not wanting one for your own reasons.

      But again, I'm not judging your choice

      Like hell you're not. Did you even read your own comment? Did you even read the rest of that particular sentence? You're not judging my choice to put one in my house, you're just telling me I'm stupid to put one in my house.

      Sheesh. I'd hate to see you actually judge someone.

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    2. Re:It was never about the data by lgw · · Score: 1

      You're the champion of missing the point. Have one in your house all you want, but don't get upset when strangers activate it. You knew how it worked when you installed it, and that's the choice you, quite deliberately, made.

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    3. Re:It was never about the data by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      By the same logic I should be absolutely fine with anyone ringing my doorbell and running away.

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  83. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by stdarg · · Score: 1

    Yeah or I could rely on technology. That's also helpful in all walks of life, and generally more reliable.

    I used to be like you until I the first time I read about someone forgetting their baby in a hot car. Now I'm all for technology to supplement my own attention span.

  84. The problem isn't Google responding to ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
    The problem isn't Google responding to certain phrases on TV.

    The problem is Google responding to the TV. So, instead of fancy fingerprinting stuff, figure out a way to keep your stuff from responding to broadcasting devices like radios and TV sets. Oh, and patent it. And profit!

  85. I would buy a BK Whopper out of gratitude... by ffkom · · Score: 1

    for this brilliant campaign teaching the gullible consumer zombies about the dangers of "always on" listening devices. Would... if only their junk food was palatable.

  86. personalize the trigger words/name ? by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    I would think the next step is to voice print yourself and train google/alexa to respond to only a specific voice or group of voices. It would seem to make sense to change the name google/alexa responded to, to something personalized as well, say Oscar, like the system developed by a character in the following books...

    http://www.goodreads.com/serie...

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  87. Simple Fix by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 1

    Instead of blocking the voice. All Google has to do is redirect ALL 'what is a whopper' queries to a 'satirical' page that states something along the lines of "a whopper is a burger made by Burger King that competes with Five Guys, McDonald's, and many others large burger chain's burgers. Many find them to be inferior to the competition's offerings. Also if you were directed to this answer because of a TV commercial do you really want to do business with a company with such low ethical standards? Would you like to know where the nearest BK competitors locations are?"

    Problem solved... ish.

    Still doesnt fix the underlying problem with google security but it would nip this shit in the bud. As it would send a message that if you screw with google they WILL screw you worse.

  88. Re: Brilliant ad campaign! by stdarg · · Score: 1

    I don't believe you. Your mental notes don't work that well unless, ironically, you're the one with a cognitive disorder.

    What you probably do (and what I do as well, since google home doesn't even support the feature I'm talking about) is that when you're at the store you run over a list of things that you commonly need to buy. I really don't believe for a second that you say to yourself "Next time I'm at the store I'll buy dishwashing liquid" and then it actually happens without a long introspection at the store first "what was it that I needed... um... milk? Toilet paper? Paper towels?" first. Brains don't work like machines.

  89. Re:Brilliant ad campaign! by stdarg · · Score: 1

    Wow that's amazing, you have another way of accomplishing the same thing, only less efficient? Who would have thought. Fucking hipster trash.

  90. better belt buckles by billdale · · Score: 1

    About 40 years ago I had a belt without holes or even a need for the teeth in your belt. I would slide the belt into a, slot, and then fold the buckle down to "pinch" the belt so that it could not move... no holes, no teeth sown into the leather, very simple and, effective, and infinitely adjustable. I would buy one again today if I could find one.

    1. Re: better belt buckles by billdale · · Score: 1

      ?!? WTF? This post got side railed onto a different thread!

  91. I'm on BK's side by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    I actually blame Google for allowing this attack vector. If Google, Amazon, and Apple won't focus on security on their own, then hopefully some deliberate prodding will help them focus on it. That may not be Burger King's intent, but it should be the outcome. As easy as it is to play audio from a website without user consent, it's just a matter of time until we see these methods used for truly malicious attacks. An out-of-band attack to identify Tor users, perhaps? A late-night ad that advised viewers to say "Ok Google, call 1-900...," which "inadvertently" triggered just those calls? Using Wikipedia (which anyone can edit, of course), to create a custom page that exploited a buffer overflow vulnerability in the Text-to-Speech engine, perhaps? Rule number one of security is to never trust arbitrary user input, but from all appearances, these voice recognition devices and apps do just that.

    Shame on these companies for not having better security from day one. Security must be a forethought, not an afterthought. Apparently that's a lesson that needs to be learnt over and over again.

  92. Voice Activated Devices by EricTheIT · · Score: 1

    How about filtering electronic voices from activating Google. Unfortunately this will probably be just the start for all Voice Activated devices so I hope the developers will get this fixed for all devices that could be effected and with a solution that will not be a pain to use.