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Amazon Wants To Put a Camera and Microphone in Your Bedroom (vice.com)
On Wednesday, Amazon announced the Echo Look, the latest gadget in the company's new Echo-powered hardware lineup. Motherboard explains: The newly announced Echo Look is a virtual assistant with a microphone and a camera that's designed to go somewhere in your bedroom, bathroom, or wherever the hell you get dressed. Amazon is pitching it as an easy way to snap pictures of your outfits to send to your friends when you're not sure if your outfit is cute, but it's also got a built-in app called StyleCheck that is worth some further dissection. [...] "All photos and video captured with your Echo Look are securely stored in the AWS cloud and locally in the Echo Look app until a customer deletes them," a spokesperson for the company said. "You can delete the photos or videos associated with your account anytime in the Echo Look App." Motherboard also asked if Echo Look photos, videos, and the data gleaned from them would be sold to third parties; the company did not address that question.
Nope nope nope nope nope god no nope.
It is beyond me how could anyone think installing this in your home is a good idea. Plus, Jeff can afford to pay for his own pron.
Maybe technology is going too far.
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Ah, this could be the dopiest product ever created!
Some hacker has the misfortune of seeing me butt ass, it would persuade them into a more legitimate profession PDQ
Gone are the days where you have to wonder is there's a camera watching you dress or watching you be intimate in your bedroom. You never have to wonder again, because the answer is simply "Yes"! We will absolutely record your most private moments. Not only that, but we can automatically share them with the people who have no need to know. Have your parents been worried about how well you've been eating since you moved out? We'll send them a video of your latest BM!
I see you're having trouble merging with your wife tonight.
May I suggest you update your Viagra drivers to the next version?
If you can't get dressed on your own without seeking the approval of others (who aren't even in the same room with you) -- then you're already failing at life.
I mean, I realize I'm a guy (and one of those "techie" types who is know not to care about clothing style as much as others). But this is ridiculous, no matter who you are. If you spent hard-earned money on pieces of clothing you've got hanging up in your closet, that means you liked them enough to buy them in the first place. You're just being petty and superficial if you start changing your mind about actually wearing what you, yourself liked and picked out, all because someone else (looking at a digital photo sent over the Internet) disagrees with you.
I got my wife one of those $50 Fire tablets when they were new.
Lot of good it does them when the battery is never charged.....
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Who the f... thought that this is a good idea? That e.g. a woman would want to have her potentially naked photos "in the cloud"?
Oh and how long until this gets hacked and the juicy pictures leaked/sold? Amazon didn't take the lesson from the phone hacking scandal in the UK? This sort of device/service would be a goldmine for stalkers, creeps and tabloids hunting for juicy dirt.
Jesus Christ ...
It's the only way to see Trump's dick
I think that something like this has the possibility of being really popular. People are really, really stupid, and have little sense of self respect any more.
I don't respond to AC's.
Looks like we found the source for the next celebrity nude picture scandal. Only this time, instead of the pictures being intentionally taken by the celebrity or their lover, the photos are taken by someone that hacked the weak security surrounding the control system for the device and took the pictures themselves.
Security cameras are already ironically highly insecure, and those theoretically are from companies that should specialize in security, where the data should remain only on tightly controlled networks. This thing doesn't stand a chance.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Since I got it all Amazon has on its main page are "Recommendations for you"
1. Diet pills.
2. Tread mill.
3. diet books
4. fitness bands.
Then under "Recommendations for you in clothing" all they have are tarps and a children's party bouncy castle.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1795957/quotes
Honey: My apartment building is so safe. My landlord even installed a security camera in my shower.
Marshall Eriksen: Oh, Honey...
I felt a disturbance in the force, as if a billion teenage girls cried out all at once.
Eternity: will that be smoking, or non-smoking? I Corinthians 6:9-10
This is honestly kind of a brilliant way to float a "presence" balloon. IMHO: At first Amazon didn't get what Echo was. They thought of it as an internet connected speaker, when in reality it was a modern day "Thing" from the Addams Family. I think they've learned that lesson, but one of the most important attributes of Thing is that it understood who was where, and who was addressing it. A lack of contextual awareness is what makes all automation suck. I don't want motion sensors to know if I moved, I want home automation that knows which room I'm in. I also think this is a shot across Apple's bow.
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How did the human race survive with just mirrors before this technology was developed?
Just fine, if you're actually looking for an answer.
If a hacker breaks into a bedroom camera, we blame the victim:
Why did you put a camera in your bedroom?
Yet, if a peeping tom brings a camera up to the bedroom window, we don't blame the victim.
It is intended to be "easy way to snap pictures of your outfits to send to your friends when you're not sure if your outfit is cute", which means that it would be as easy to snap pictures without outfits to send to "friends" for tips/contributions. Amazon wants to turn everyone into a cam model.
What can go wrong?
Capcha: winnings
Like most geniuses I wear the same clothes everyday, so this has no value for me.
For several years now, Amazon really has been leading the way toward making it impossible to tell the difference between joke product ideas and the real ones. Google/Apple/Microsoft have had some bad ideas too, but they all get totally left in the dust by Amazon. I mean, this is the company that sells buttons for buying stuff.
Is there a Poe's Law of consumer electronics yet? We're getting close to needing one.
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
and
What. Could. Possibly. Go. Wrong.
I think this deserve a new concept of "Nope-finity" to be invented, just to have a proper answer.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
I could see
1 the devices get hacked and take some "extra" pictures
2 the data gets nicked and then resold
3 somebodies kidlet gets filmed
4 and the parent is a BIG NAME
5 the units get used as a spycam
So who wants to sell a "Blocker Bucket" that can be dropped on these things to prevent everything but 2??
Sorry, can't hear you.
Over the noise of a billion of 4chan creepy online freaks fapping at hacked pictures of said teenage girls.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
Enough said
It's fairly clear the author of the summary didn't even RTFA. Here is a better summary: This is an idea targeted at women in particular. The intent is to have Amazon Echo be able to answer the question "How do I look?"
Clearly, that's still kind of creepy but you can see why the person came up with the idea even if it's completely stupid. This kind of reminds of the Death 2.0 mobile app that can text you as if a dead loved one were still alive. These ideas are around trying to make "robots" or "artificial intelligence" have genuine human interaction with you.
We'll make great pets
You know, it's getting insulting.
"IoT devices designed to get you to use someone's services, are making it impossible to tell the difference between real products and parodies." -- Cajun Hell
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Either because a hacker accesses it, or an unscrupulous company employee does or a spouse, date, random-creep changes the setting and creates a "spy-cam"
" Amazon is pitching it as an easy way to snap pictures of your outfits to send to your friends when you're not sure if your outfit is cute "
What the serious fuck?
People can't even make decisions about their own clothes any more without consulting the groupmind?
-Styopa
Sure, I always wanted to send/transmit what I do in the bathroom to the world. Great opportunities for people pitch hair removal, hair growth, various enlargement products, dating services (complete with a hygiene rating index) as well as taste in perfume/cologne to consumers worldwide. It's a brave new world and EVERYTHING is up for grabs. Just take a good HOT shower and you have a smoke screen I guess.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
Go fuck yourself. Stop trying to be anything other than a store.
I am so happy I got rid of my Amazon account.
No thanks. I honestly don't need to be sued by some nosy perv for causing their PTSD when I'm entertaining.
I've wanted to put a camera in your bedroom for years, but where's my article?
Amazon is pitching it as an easy way to snap pictures of your outfits to send to your friends when you're not sure if your outfit is cute, ...
Alexa? Does this dress make me look fat?
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
and best of all, my camera and microphone will cost HALF as much as Amazon is going to charge you. ;D
Unfortunately both of my parents have fallen for this stupid Amazon scheme.
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Clap off. The Clapper(tm) is the only microphone allowed in my bedroom.
Well... I guess the telephone has a microphone too.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
People can't even make decisions about their own clothes any more without consulting the groupmind?
I take you you have not gone shopping with girls in the last 50 years?
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
If this is where our technology advances are leading us, it would not take an advanced AI to defeat mankind. Probably a refurbished C64 would do the job nicely.
As much as I want to say "oh people will be privy to the fact that their photos aren't actually secure in any meaningful way", the much scarier realization is that most probably just don't care anymore.
The NSA, CIA, FBI and local police are board....
People have got to be fucking crazy if they want this
Well, if there's one thing the internet has proven itself to be perfect at, it's telling what color a dress is.
I've been wondering lately if tech companies are just throwing technology at various populations to see what sticks. Is it cheaper to develop this crap and see if they stumble on something popular and trendy, or if they actually spend any time or effort researching and vetting ideas before developing them? Maybe I'm slowly going beige, but this idea just seems ludicrous to my dusty old brain.
There are two types of people in the world; those who believe there are two types of people, and those who don't.
... with adults deciding how to spend their disposable income.
If it's not for you, don't buy it.
If it's useful to you, knock yourself out.
As for privacy, we don't have that, and we don't have any expectations of that.
As for compromising/embarrassing escapes to the wild, that is becoming normalized, just as leaks of personal data and login information is.
As we become more exposed (see what I did there), fewer will give a shit, be they perpetrator or victim.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
I told you to never call me on this wall! This is an unlisted wall!
I predict this product will become *THE MOST* gifted present ever! Want to show how much you like them? Get them a cloud-connected seeing-eye camera so they can show you right back!
It will surpass gifted sales of all Fire and Kindle products combined.
It will be co-marketed with Pornhub and Fleshlight.
It will be bundled with an Amazon Prime subscription.
It will be co-branded by Anonymous, BrickBot, and/or Cyanogen (yeah I know, RIP).
Amazon, aren't selfie-sticks enough? Wouldn't the timer on a high-res camera smartphone be enough? Couldn't you simply come up with a smartphone case with a built-in kickstand?
Seriously. Where's the market research to support this idea? What dumb-ass product manager got their stock options vested so they don't give a damn if they get canned for this face-palm of a product? Amazon, you worry me sometimes...
Is this a joke? Is everyone a Kardashian now, needing external affirmation and bugging you with their life?!?
>as an easy way to snap pictures of your outfits to send to your friends when you're not sure if your outfit is cute.
Are people SO INSECURE that they must get distant approval from a myriad of digital opinions? Is there no sense of self identity or confidence anymore? And are there really people listening, who want to chime in at 6:30 in the morning to vote on what they heck another person wears?
This is really another planet now.
100+ years-since forever.
FTFY
securely stored in the AWS cloud
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Black Mirror is a critique, not an instruction manual.
Shit was obviously coming, from the days when we oohed and ahhed about those Feddies being able to go, "COMPUTER LOCATE MAH MOM".
Can't do that without the computer having that information in the first place.
I imagine only teenage girls would be superficial enough that they'd feel the need to dress and undress in front of an Internet-connected camera so their outfits could be.... ...
hang on, I need to order 10 of these and a copy of ORA's "Hacking the IoT".
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
I see lots of forums where people discuss motherboards, CPUs, power supplies, etc.
They can't even make decisions about their tech purchases any more without consulting the groupmind?
When the echo first came out, I thought the last thing I wanted in my house was an always-on microphone. I stand corrected.
I'm not a fan of JB, the man, but he has done some impressive things with Amazon. I think this may be his Uber debacle that brings down the company once the device gets hacked and photos are sold/distributed online. It's just a matter of time.
They might seriously want to rethink that. I remember reading that the people at Google who spend their days watching and sorting/rating edgy internet content needed psychotherapy afterwards. With the activities in my bedroom, they have no idea what they're signing up for (and I'm only about half kidding).
How Slashdot users would use this:
"Amazon, does this shirt and these trousers go together"
"No, red jeans should never be paired with Hawaiian shirts"
"Too late, it's already on my body"
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Step 1: install a cheap net-connected camera with a view of your kitchen
Step 2: sometime when your wife is starting dinner before you get home, use it to see what she is making
Step 3: text her to say you don't feel like [whatever she started making] tonight you want [something else specific]
Step 4: hear your wife ban connected cameras from your house
Practical demonstrations are more convincing than theory.
If you have small children and are less brave, use this method to positively comment on how she handled something with them while you weren't home.
What could go wrong?
When I see ideas like this, I have to work hard to remind myself that they're just the natural outgrowth of random stupidity, rather than part of some crypto-conspiratorial plan, probably involving the Illuminati and/or some sort of emergent tachycognitive post-human intelligence.
Rule 35 of the internet: "If it can be hacked, it will be". - Charles Stross
Also, BrickerBot seems more like a public service campaign every day.
Rule 35 of the internet: "If it can be hacked, it will be". - Charles Stross
I agree 10^1e+24!
This is where many stupidities collide. 1) 14 year old girl gets changed while talking on the phone 2) Says "It takes my picture when I say 'Photo me Echo'" 3) Echo takes picture of semi naked 14 year old 4) She says "And then I say 'Send it to everyone Echo'" 5) Picture goes to all her friends 6) School does random search of everyone's phone 7) All her friends charged with possession of Child porn and become sex offenders 8) Not sure who profits.
This is going to keep the CIA hacking team busy. So many new products to hack.
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ROFLMHWPCAO!!!
You really should have logged in to post that, because you sir/madam just won the Internet for today!
Bravo!
What would happen if a child wandered in front of the camera nude, and amazon stored that on their server -- would they be responsible for CP?
Alexa, take a dick pic. Way ahead of you. Thanks.
What's it called again? Echo Snoop App?
so amazon wants to be an sex offender?? now just wait for this get someone under 18!
The #A3075C dress compliments your skin tone much better than the #2F4AF5 dress
Who are the dumbasses that come up with this shit and how do they still have a job?
I warned you, ALL OF YOU, years ago about this sort of thing happening. "Oh, but AC, nobody wants to spy on us in our houses, that's just crazy talk! Besides which, I've got nothing to hide anyway, so why should I care," some of you said. "If they're paying me or giving me free stuff then why not?" So then I said to you, "What if they want to put cameras and microphones in your bedroom and bathroom? You still OK with complete strangers watching and listening to you have sex with your wife or girlfriend, or what you do in the bathroom?" "LOL AC that's nuts, nobody's going to ever do that!" Oh how WRONG you were! Where is your God now, to save you from being spied on IN YOUR OWN BEDROOM AND BATHROOM?
Idiots. All of you, IDIOTS!
YOU CREATED THE WORLD THAT MADE THIS POSSIBLE!
I care HOW they are USED.
They tell you in the summary, so your friends can tell you if your outfit is cute.
I think what the above poster wanted to say would have been more appropriately expressed as
HOW they are ABUSED
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
go wrong?
for 2 reasons:
number 1: thats terror
number 2: thats terror
How convenient, a RAT that you can install yourself.
5 Stars
- This device has saved me from having to field "Do I look fat in this questions" from my teenage daughter. Now, she can live stream her changing activities to her friends, boyfriend, boyfriends parents and her grandparents!... Just the other day, I overheard her asking her boyfriend how she looked, and he replied "You can see your panty lines" . So she took them off and now she looks Great!
... as in: "How many times did I get up to pee last night?"
"When was the last time I took a shit?"
I already have this stuff, so I know there's a market.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
I use an inexpensive baby monitor for a pet cam when away , shows temperature and provides audio otherwise it is off line. Think an Alexa capable web cam could be useful for their product portfolio. I would like one that has remote rotation capability if not to expensive. A couple inexpensive dot like cameras would be nice so could cover multiple viewing angles. The social features for others makes sense given Instagrams success for Amazon to tip into that space. Suggest hard off switches for devices with remote cams and mics- wish I had more confidence my smart phone not remotely recording/ transmitting. The Look not much different in this way but at least users should be more aware since its main purpose. Some over blown paranoia get a tin foil hat instead if turning off when don't want to use if to much of a chore for you.
I insist on retaining the right to determine who does and does not see my naked body.
It's not a weird fixation...it is actually quite normal and has been so across cultures and throughout history.
I do not appreciate people like you trying to take my personal sovereignty away from me just because you don't care about yours.
Stop posting things from Motherboard/Vice. Those are shit sources.
As these are consumer devices, security will suck. Maybe it will be better than average, but even then it likely takes one talented black-hat and pictures from your bedroom will make it on the Internet.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
This is gonna give those young, single, horny geeks at the NSA way more material to share around the workplace.
What it does is obtain footage of people and store it indefinitely (Amazon confirmed this), while feeding it to AI and potentially sell it to 3rd parties. Feature Creep is a real thing in privacy related matters: data is collected for X, but soon after someone sees that the data is also usable for Y and it's used for Y, without asking the original person giving data for X whether it can be used for Y, as they don't have to (it's in every EULA).
Your post shows you're really naive when it comes to these things: don't trust anyone with your data and personal information: it _will_ be used for things you haven't given permission for.
Never underestimate the relief of true separation of Religion and State.
There's a point where I get off the bus. I've got no interest in owning an Amazon Echo, and even less interest in this idea of Amazon deciding what clothes I should wear. I have friends who do that for me alreadyâ¦
"Thank you for your request. If selected, you will receive an email with an invitation to purchase. This product is available by invitation only." Bummer. How is this different than just using a selfie stick?
... for Amazon's Echo Crap, which goes in the toilet bowl, analyzes your elimination procedures and products, and offers helpful advice on health, diet, and lifestyle. Thanks to the built-in waterproof camera it will also perform motion-efficiency analysis on your wiping activities.
And should you suddenly decide you want to buy something while you're lightening your load, or feel that your Facebook friends want to know about your excretory success, it features Amazon's patented Intrusive Voice Activated Spying with Immediate Impulse Satisfaction.
Old, fat people pr0n?
Why the hell would you want a camera in my bedroom? WHEN you get "action" it's going to be a flabby @$$ attempting to (@)%@ another flabby @$$.
The rest is going to be dark with a lot of snoring.
What he got right was that we would all have a telescreens in our homes.
What he got wrong is not realizing that we would enthusiastically welcome it with open arms.
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