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Ask Slashdot: How Do You Prepare For The Theft Of Your PC?

A security-conscious Slashdot reader has theft insurance -- but worries whether it covers PC theft. And besides the hassles of recreating every customization after restoring from backups, there's also the issue of keeping personal data private. I currently keep important information on a hidden, encrypted partition so an ordinary thief won't get much off of it, but that is about the extent of my preparation... What would you do? Some sort of beacon to let you know where your stuff is? Remote wipe? Online backup?
There's a couple of issues here -- including privacy, data recovery, deterrence, compensation -- each leading to different ways to answer the question: what can you actually do to prepare for the possibility? So use the comments to share your own experiences. How have you prepared for the theft of your PC?

262 comments

  1. backups by nastyphil · · Score: 1

    distributed architecture.

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    Dialectician. Archology.
    1. Re:backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, with both online and offline backups and also with full disk encryption.

      With mac's and linux all that it's fairly easy and while I haven't had a windows pc in ages, literally since late -99 I have had only virtualised windows installations, both win7 pro and win10 I need for testing backups are backed up with host disks. With mac I use timecapsule and periodically also clone disks with a script I wrote before timemachine was available. The script makes it easy to create a bootable 1:1 copy of the mac laptops I have. With linux laptops and one remaining desktop I use these days borg backup with a script I wrote to make easier doing snapshots of the system. Offline copy drives are 1TB USB3 drives I have 2 for each system and which I take out and keep in safe at vault at work (with an agreement of my employer).

    2. Re:backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A gun.
      Kidding.
      Backups.

    3. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      A backup gun.

    4. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back up, I have a gun.

    5. Re:backups by Humbubba · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Lots of options. Here's the important stuff:

      Hard Drive Encryption is the best solution, IMHO. There are Self Encrypting Drives (SEDs). Many solid state drives have encryption built in. Sweet. Nothing but fine. You gotta turn it on though. RTFM.

      PGP Hard Drive Encryption is great. And there's Bitlocker (Windows) too.

      Yes, backups are a very good idea. And backing up to or having your backups at multiple locations (Distributed Architecture), even better. But you gotta plan for updates. Just a thought: sensitive files should be encrypted, period. And if all your secret stuff is already encrypted, do you really need to encrypt your backup?

      Online backup services are available too, like Carbonite($). Good rep. Haven't tried 'em.

      For a full system image, trust Clonezilla - IFF you get it from the source (http://clonezilla.org/). It's straightforward, but read the docs anyway. There are other options, but I go with what I know. And I know that if you're moving from a Dell(x) to an Asus(y), a full system image might not be what you're looking for.

      For small stuff, like documents and files, you might think about copying to a Flash drive. Just a warning: they are notoriously easy to recover deleted files from.

      Don't forget to backup your .vimrc, if you're into Vim. I forget every time.

    6. Re:backups by ls671 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Short answer:

      I do not need to prepare because it has been part of the whole process for a while.

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    7. Re:backups by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 2

      My main PC is in a Corsair 800D case and weighs about 50 pounds. Nobody is walking away with it. Wouldn't put anything critical on a laptop that I took around with me.

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      A brain is a terrible thing to waste... Mind? That's debatable.
    8. Re: backups by KGIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      Also, this question seems like a trap. If you want to know how I secure my stuff, you'll have to steal it and find out.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    9. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much this. I keep my hardware setup in a pcpartpicker.Com list. I have an SSD for speed and am about to buy a slower terabyte HD for backup. I'll keep my important files on both SSD and the slower drive. Will just need a way to keep updates synched. I think I might use git.

    10. Re: backups by unixisc · · Score: 1

      In Windows, I've enabled OneDrive, and not only that, I make that my primary storage. Yeah, there's all those cries about privacy, but being able to retrieve my data seamlessly outweighs that. While none of my computers have ever been stolen, I did have a WinBook die on me, so it was very useful to be able to retrieve my stuff from the OneDrive backup.

      I do wish such a mechanism existed for things like FreeBSD: dunno about Linux. Have something like an automatic backup to Dropbox (or any cloud storage of one's desire), so that in the event of anything like this, the data can be seamlessly recovered.

    11. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Full disk encryption to protect privacy, bank account etc ...
      Google Photos to backup pictures, GitHub to backup code. That's really all I have that matters.

    12. Re:backups by unencode200x · · Score: 1

      Backblaze allows you to create a private key so only you can decrypt your backups. https://www.backblaze.com/back...

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      Chance favors the prepared mind.
      Perfect is the enemy of good.
    13. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do you back up your private key?

    14. Re:backups by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Read the reviews.

      Lost my Hard Drive. Everything backed up to BB. BB Takes a week to put on a drive to FEDEX. After 4 days I get a notice that they had a network error and my order was cancelled. So i was directed to place he same order again. I'm on week 2. Still no drive from Fedex. BB Support cannot tell me how much longer this will be. However they appreciate my patience, which is nice. You can store all the info in the world. But if it's taking 2 weeks to get 1.5 TB to a customer you are missing the point. Expectations are two days not two weeks. You have to do better.

      Backblaze: Sorry to hear you had an issue with the restores Bill. We are working hard to speed them up so that you can get your data back quickly! Rest assured that as soon as the 1.5TB is copied on to a hard drive - it'll get shipped overnight to you.

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      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    15. Re:backups by unrtst · · Score: 4, Funny

      My main PC is in a Corsair 800D case and weighs about 50 pounds. Nobody is walking away with it.

      Did you miss a sentence where the PC is in a 10 ton safe/vault? I can easily carry a 50lb PC case to the van out front. I regularly carry a large bag of dog food and all my groceries over 1/2 mile (I live in a large city and walk to the grocery store) without any trouble at all, and I've moved apartments by myself a bunch of times. I don't think it's wise to rely on the weight of your case to save you.

      Now... my ancient 8u rackmount case, that's mounted in a telco rack (which, for some unfathomable reason, the wife likes in the living room), would be impossible to steal without significant disassembly (the rack won't fit through the stairwell). That's still no reason to think it can't be stolen.

    16. Re:backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you're moving from a Dell(x) to an Asus(y), a full system image might not

      I use ChromeOS & crouton. I have written down a list of the customizations I need to make to a wiped machine and the commands to install crouton, then i restore a folder called 'p' in my crouton homedir that contains all the actual stuff.

      I've tried more thorough backups, PXE-booting, etc., but it bitrots before the first time I can use it, while this procedure degrades gracefully. For example, one of the things on the list is powerd customizations to avoid suspending when the lid shuts and to turn off the dark-resume powerdown feature (by default, ChromeOS will only lose x% of the battery in suspend-to-ram mode, then it just turns itself off, appropriate for Chrome itself but not for crouton). Pixel -> Pixel 2 this stopped working---the trackpad would wake it up---so I had to figure it out.

    17. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I carry two 60 pound bags of cement at a time for my side job. I'm not particularly big or strong.

    18. Re: backups by unrtst · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you have an SSD, and want to add a HDD, and just want to keep it in sync periodically, and you're running Linux... consider checking out MD raid1 using "write-mostly" on the HDD. For example: http://tansi.info/hybrid/
      Using that, almost all reads will go to the SSD, and writes will go to both. It was originally added for mirroring over a (slow) network interface, which you could also add as a 3rd mirror if you prefer.

      Before someone else says it, a mirror is not a backup. If you, or someone else using your computer, or through some program error, or through a virus/bug/etc, delete data, that deletion will sync to the mirror as quickly as you have it set to do so and you won't have a copy of it, unless you add some form of versioning or backup.

      I'm sure everyone has their own preferences, but if you're starting from just your primary drive, and it's your personal computer (as opposed to work), then I'd recommend adding redundancy and backups in the following order of priority:

      1. Offsite backup your most precious files. There are a TON of solutions for this. You can keep your file list short and limit it to small-ish files (ie. don't back up your DVD collection in this backup set, even if you consider it important). Possible solutions would include dropbox, crashplan, google drive, sync.com, spideroak, tresorit, mega, etc.

      2. Local redundancy/mirror. This is the bit you're talking about. If I loose a drive due to hardware failure, I want to keep going ASAP, and this is the best way to do that.. just make sure you test it and can move over to it and back.

      3. Local large/full backups. These can go to an external drive or two. Grab an external HDD with USB 3 that's plenty big (just get the biggest you can find within your budget - maybe a 4tb?). What software to use to make the backup... that's tricky, but there's lots of viable options, and a lot of it depends on how much effort you are able to put in up front. A lot of what this backs up will be fairly useless - do you really need a copy of all your OS files and game files and stuff you can just re-download later (and probably will, if you do need to do a completely rebuild)? Probably not, but just grab everything so you don't miss anything later on.

      4. Offsite those full backups. Use multiple external drives. Take at least one offsite periodically. Take it to work, or a friends place, or a storage facility, or safe deposit box.

      FWIW, crashplan can be used for all but #2 above. I don't work there; just a happy customer. It's free to back up to a local drive, or to another computer of your own (or friend/family/work).

    19. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      According to US cops, citizens with guns during home invasions more often than not have the gun taken from them and are shot with it. That's something the NRA and gun lobby work very hard to keep that kind of information out of the conversation.

    20. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're not willing to kill someone then buying a gun for self defense is pretty stupid. Why buy what you just can't bring yourself to use?

    21. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UPS built into chassis, bottom bolted to floor. Chassis open alarm hooked up to solenoid attached to hand grenade pin.

    22. Re:backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i put gay porno on the desktop so that hacker will probably go "yuck gay porn" and not steal...

    23. Re: backups by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Rclone for freebsd if you're not talking system image backup.

    24. Re:backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guns. If anyone tries to steal my PC, or anything that I own, they will receive a full clip into their head.

    25. Re: backups by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Make twice as many trips and carry one. Your twenty or thirty year older self will thank you.

      I was you.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    26. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn I'm glad I don't live in a gun paradise!

    27. Re: backups by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Thanks

    28. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to US cops

      In other words, disregard.

    29. Re:backups by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Hide in the corner of the room with a gun.

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    30. Re: backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's very easy. Download gpg then encrypt your private key thrice using AES-256 and then upload it to all of your online accounts including email, FB, linkdin, google drive, and all of your cloud accounts. Now you'd ask me how do you backup your AES passwords, the answer is write it on a piece of paper and store it on your wallet behind your ATM /credit card.

    31. Re:backups by racermd · · Score: 1

      If someone wants it bad enough, they're going to get it no matter how well you protect it. The question then becomes, how expensive/difficult to you want to make it for someone to obtain? How much effort are YOU willing to go through to make it that way?

      Personally, I don't worry that much about it. I assume the "bad guys" already have the data they want about me and just limit myself to basic data loss measures - backups on-site and off-site. The hardware I use is replaced regularly, anyway, and if someone wants my desktop or laptop bad enough, they can have it. I've got enough spares to get back up and running again in an hour or two. Note that this also mitigates most natural disaster situations, as well.

      Sure, I encrypt anything particularly sensitive, like banking info. By the time someone gets into those files, I'll have already noticed the missing hardware and changed all the logins. If they DID manage to get into my finances before I got the logins changed - you guys have fun with the couple hundred bucks! I'm a husband and father of 2. I have a few assets but nothing immediately liquid enough for anyone to ruin me.

      In a nutshell, I'm really only a valuable target for the casual ID thieves for which I've already protected myself. I'm not worth the time of a dedicated professional and, really, there's not much I can do to stop them, anyway, if they want my info bad enough. They probably already have most of it as it is.

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      My sources are unreliable, but their information is fascinating. -- Ashleigh Brilliant
    32. Re:backups by houghi · · Score: 1

      I am at awe with your strength. Getting dog food, I understand, but moving a whole apartment? Even if you call a trailer 'an apartment' dragging that on its wheels is an achievement if more than over a few yards.

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      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    33. Re: backups by houghi · · Score: 1

      1. Offsite backup your most precious files.

      First you need to determine the difference between must-have and nice-to-have backups. I am thinking of personal stuff, not business related,
      That means that pictures you took of the first step are nice-to-have. Yes, it sucks if they are gone.
      99% of the emails will fall under this as well and many of the things can be requested at the company you got them from in the first place.

      So the real data you actually need as an individual will be much less than say 1GB. That means it can easily fit on a USB key. Write a script that does a copy of an encrypted up to date data-file to that key the moment you put the key in. Now you have offline backup.

      And with prices of 32GB as low as they are, having those pictures of your first born is also possible. Even 256GB is not that expensive anymore.

      I am just looking for a USB hub with Wifi instead of a cable to the PC, so I can place it near my front door as a key hanger.

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      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    34. Re:backups by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      My main PC is in a Corsair 800D case and weighs about 50 pounds.

      The last time I was burgled, the Police left me with an advice brochure on home security. Their advice on safes is that any which weighs less than a tonne should be bolted to (through) either roof beams or a solid stone or brick (not plasterboard) wall. Preferably both.

      We came into the office one morning to find the safe (about a half-tonne) had been dragged through into the middle of the garage/ workshop, and the little scrotes had evidently spent several hours trying to lever the back off it ,working from one of the bolt holes. Which was hilarious, as the door was just closed on the latch ; the safe had been left in the office by a previous resident, without the key, so we only used it as a fire-store for the daily backups. Which were inside. Untouched. (With yesterday's backups at home with one director, the day before at a different director.)

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    35. Re: backups by ls671 · · Score: 1

      On a regular basis, I agree. Nevertheless, carrying 4 or 6 at a time for a bet won't hurt you when you are young and you know what you are doing. Correct posture is important.

      But in the long run, doing it everyday, sure carry one at the time, at least for short trips hoping they are the most common use case.

      I have a friend of mine who used to jump off delivery trunks with fridges strapped to his body to impress the gallery instead of using the hydraulic lift. Back then, I told him he was crazy and that his knees were taking the hit. Today, he agrees.

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      Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
    36. Re:backups by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Your "backup" host should be the most secured thing in your infrastructure. It doesn't even need to be connected to any network permanently, similarly to a CA.

      The backup system should always pull.

      Needless to say, if your backup host (or system) gets compromised, you are fucked since it has access to everything but nothing should have access to the backup system. This can be mitigated by recursively replicating the principle.

      Anyway, this is how I understand it. Comments anybody?

      Thanks in advance,

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      Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
    37. Re:backups by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Damn it! I was sure you were replying to creimer.

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      Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
    38. Re:backups by ls671 · · Score: 1

      The last time I was burgled, the Police left me with an advice brochure on home security. Their advice on safes is that any which weighs less than a tonne should be bolted to (through) either roof beams or a solid stone or brick (not plasterboard) wall. Preferably both.

      There exist alternative and more portable solutions.

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      Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
    39. Re:backups by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The point the Police were making is that a portable safe is not "safe". And pretty much anything can be opened if you have time and a safe place to work on it carefully.

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      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  2. Enable whole disk encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Enable whole disk encryption and use a good passphrase that must be entered on power-on.

    Without the passphrase your data is just unrecognizable noise.

    It does not protect against someone threatening you to reveal the passphrase if they really want your data, but it protects against petty theft.

  3. mini-PCIe Tracker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know much about them but the laptops we use at work have a nifty 3G+GPS mini-PCIe modems in them which have an onboard processor (with some sort of Python interpreter thing too?) which is plugged into the array of antennas inbuilt into the laptop. When the card powers on, it connects to the cellular 3G service, connects via HTTP to a site to register itself and check status and, if instructed, will begin sending GPS and GSM details to said site. From what I've seen, it has a Windows agent service too but I don't know what it does. I've never been able to find these devices anywhere else, has anyone else seen them?

    1. Re:mini-PCIe Tracker by commlinx · · Score: 1

      I hadn't heard of them before but the only 3G + GPS solutions using Python I've heard of are Telit modules, doing a search for Telit products it's probably something like the following:

      HE910 Mini PCIe - 3G

    2. Re:mini-PCIe Tracker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We must be using some custom thing built on these chips because none of those products seem able to do what we have out of the box.

  4. My PC! by tquasar · · Score: 2

    Buy a bullet and rent a gun.

    1. Re:My PC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This went dark fast.

    2. Re:My PC! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1, Funny

      You know what else is dark? Hitler.

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      #DeleteChrome
    3. Re:My PC! by Cito · · Score: 1

      he knew how to stop bolsheviks from stealing his country though, very effectively.

    4. Re: My PC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neuromancer reference I believe?

    5. Re:My PC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But he only had one ball.

    6. Re:My PC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really, He lost a quarter of it to Bolshviks in the end.

    7. Re:My PC! by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

      AND night time.

    8. Re:My PC! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Himmler had something simmler

  5. Password and full image backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most (almost all burglars / robbers) don't care about the contents of your machine, only what they can sell it for. And they certainly aren't going to be capable crackers.
    Have a password to make turning it on a dead end run disc image backups as your best way of storing all your data and settings, if you can replace with similar out identical h/w you only have to restore and away you go.

    1. Re:Password and full image backups by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This...

      Insurance will cover the cost of replacing the hardware, backups take care of recovering the data, just make sure the backups don't get stolen/destroyed with the machine.

      If the thief can't power the machine on due to a password they will either throw it away, or sell it cheap to someone more capable of dealing with it who will either wipe the data and install fresh or just sell the individual components.

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    2. Re: Password and full image backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah you can keep the data store on an expensive desktop at home, and on the go use a cheap laptop / access the desktop via a VPN. For further redundancy of data, use flash drives.

    3. Re:Password and full image backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Insurance will cover the 'deprecated cost' of replacing the machine. That heavy loading box you paid $2500 for 13mo ago? The insurance will give you $1250 to replace it, unless you are paying extra for full cost replacement.

    4. Re:Password and full image backups by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      "Power On Password"

      I required it for every portable in the Firm.

      We had a break in and a laptop was among the items taken.

      The police brought the portable to me and I opened it up. They let me have it back.

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      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    5. Re: Password and full image backups by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Informative

      My experience with homeowners' insurance is that once the deductible is met, the amount paid per item is usually *way* more than the amount you could have conceivably sold it for on eBay. You might not walk away with a brand new item for free (if the item is more than a year old), but unless you're broke & living paycheck to paycheck, you'll walk away from the transaction feeling like you got an even better deal than the thief.

      After Hurricane Wilma, there was *unbelievable* large-scale de-hoarding of old/broken electronic gear once people realized they could use it as an excuse to cash in on ancient hardware by claiming it as a storm loss (hardware that was almost zero-value to begin with by virtue of BEING in a box in the garage/shed/back porch, but collectively worth thousands as an insurance claim... and that's not even *counting* the outright fraud that occurred (things that magically ended up in the 'damaged' pile, despite surviving the storm just fine). Or things that had NEGATIVE value, like a half-dozen non-HD CRT TVs and monitors piled on a back porch when the storm hit that ended up getting the homeowner $200-500 apiece.

      The one area where insurance will really fuck you is with new cars (since most cars instantly lose 25% of their value the INSTANT you take ownership). The smart thing to do with new cars is to take advantage of zero-down low-interest financing, then drag your feet after the accident until the insurance agrees to pay off the entire loan balance. Eventually, they WILL, because every day you delay costs them a hundred bucks for storage, administration, and your rental car... eventually, they'll give in just to close your case. By extension, the worst thing you can possibly do is buy a brand-new car with a large down-payment... if you get into an accident within a year, they'll totally fuck you over. Insurers LOVE to declare any accident where airbags deploy as a 'total loss', because the scrap value of its remaining parts is more than they'd otherwise have to spend on repair. In many cases, the aggregate value of your destroyed car's parts to a scrapyard *exceeds* the amount the insurance will offer to pay you.

    6. Re:Password and full image backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

      My insurance pays to replace the machine with a new equivalent. It's standard with most homeowners' and renters' policies that they pay that with computers.

      I once had a lightning damaged PowerMac 6100 replaced with a new G4, because that was the closest new equivalent machine available at the time. I've had a Quadra replaced with a Mac mini. I've had a 20 year old front projection TV replaced with a 50" LCD, because it was the closest new equivalent.

    7. Re: Password and full image backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a late model car involved in a not-at-fault accident. Driver's airbag and both curtain airbags deployed. Within a few hundred bucks of being a total loss and they wouldn't do it. Cost them much more than that when I sued the insurance company for being assholes. (They settled.)

    8. Re: Password and full image backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure if you can get this is the US, but here there's an additional insurance product called GAP insurance. For a few hundred quid, you get 4 years coverage that pays the difference between what your normal insurance pay out and the cost of a brand new replacement.

    9. Re:Password and full image backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Three easy steps.

      1. Full disk encryption so nobody else has your data.

      2. Make backups so you don't lose your data.

      3. When your system fails or is stolen: buy a replacement, install applications, and restore your data.

      1-2-3, easy.

    10. Re:Password and full image backups by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      just make sure the backups don't get stolen/destroyed with the machine.

      That's why backups you want available are stored in the cloud. And backups you want secret are stored on an encrypted USB drive. Lose the computer, the data you want is around. And the stuff you'd rather have destroyed than leaked is inaccessible. Best of both worlds.

    11. Re:Password and full image backups by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Insurance is for catastrophic claims. Just making a claim like this will raise your premiums for the next five years. You can't win with those bastards.

      Get a giant friendly dog and a pump 12 gauge loaded with #5 (so it won't overpenetrate and kill the neighbor's kid in her bed, also 'has a good spread').

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    12. Re: Password and full image backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a late model car involved in a not-at-fault accident. Driver's airbag and both curtain airbags deployed. Within a few hundred bucks of being a total loss and they wouldn't do it. Cost them much more than that when I sued the insurance company for being assholes. (They settled.)

      Cool story bro.

      None of that ever happened, did it?

    13. Re: Password and full image backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have talked to an insurance staff, "total loss" means they will replace your totaled brand new car with another brand car of the same type and model. The insurance firm will then repair your totaled car and keep it for themselves making the owner of an insurance firm even richer with so many brand new repaired cars on his garage.

  6. Fixed that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    An anal-retentive Slashdot reader

    Encryption is all you need, stop worrying! Unless your "thief" is the FBI.

  7. I don't by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    I just keep my passwords DB in an encrypted container.

    1. Re:I don't by ckatko · · Score: 1

      I keep my harddrives in an encrypted safe

    2. Re: I don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I keep my safe in an encrypted hard drive ;-P

    3. Re: I don't by Zebaulon · · Score: 2

      I encrypt my hard drive, put it in a safe, encrypt the safe as well, bury it in the yard, and finally encrypt the yard for good measure.

    4. Re: I don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you TrueYard 12? Cause TrueYard 11 was found to be vulnerable to a shovel type attack.

    5. Re: I don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cement hardening v3.6 can defend against any shovel type attack.

    6. Re: I don't by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I just store my computer in a crypt.

  8. backups + encryption by kiminator · · Score: 3, Informative

    For privacy, the simplest and most helpful thing to do is use full-disk encryption for your hard drive. This will significantly increase the amount of effort required to access your data and any online accounts (e.g. bank accounts).

    For data, I just store all of my sensitive data on the cloud (e.g. tax returns, personal documents). If you have large amounts of important data such as photos, you may have to pay a monthly fee for good cloud storage. But it's definitely worth it. There are many, many other things that can go wrong besides theft that can cause data loss.

    It's also good to practice good online account security (e.g. using 2-factor authentication), and make sure to reset all of your critical passwords in the event of theft of a computer.

    1. Re:backups + encryption by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interesting how many people are saying encryption, encryption, encryption. That's not really going to help if they steal the only (encrypted) copy of your data. Backups are also a pain because you still need to restore everything, and unless you're restoring to exactly identical hardware you'll need to reinstall your OS and then by extension any apps on it.

      My anti-theft measure is a hardened steel cable through a metal plate on my PC and then the metal frame of the desk it's at. Try stealing that.

    2. Re:backups + encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Full disk encryption, agreed.

      But cloud???? Seriously? Your exposing your data to a third party whose promise you cannot verify and whose staff you do not know to trust. 2 factor authentication, is simply a thing they promise is secure, it might simply be stored on an unencrypted PC at their server, co-located with a zillion other servers with anyone walking in and out!!

      Just create encrypted file archives on flash keys and chuck these flash keys into the bottom of some drawer. If they get stolen, you've lost nothing but a flash key, and because they're just low value items, they're not worth looking for and stealing.

      It's really not necessary to store every little setting, I regularly setup new PCs and its only a day to get it perfect. In a way, getting rid of the crud and downloading the latest Eclipse/Libreoffice etc. is a good thing.

    3. Re:backups + encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anyone with a dremel can steal it in 1 minute.

      The question is not how to prevent theft, but how do you prepare for it.

    4. Re:backups + encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, restoring is going to be a pain, but unless your stuff is being stolen frequently, worry about that when the time comes.

      If you only have one backup of your data, you're doing it wrong. At the minimum you need a second off-site backup. Anything you don't care enough about to make that second off-site backup for, then it clearly isn't that important.

    5. Re:backups + encryption by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      This one one of those Quiet or Fast? Pick one! moments.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    6. Re:backups + encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like you're not doing snapshots ... some weeks ago, i came home, open up a terminal, start x and within seconds experienced my main disk having a complete failure. that was my first such experience in 33yrs of computing! total loss.

      i pulled out my usb-stick and booted/rooted to a snapshot from that and life went on. had that snapshot been gone i'd have sshfs mounted an encfs snapshot from a remote vps that cost me just under $4/month. or i'd have used a snapshot from an independent nas which ordinarily pulls snapshots. or without the box i'd switched to an rpi that clones the whole system a few times a day.

      point is, 'backing up' means you can recover via aux hardware and boot configs because 'your system' is not bound to any one disk or machine. it just happens to run there. mine works on intel/nvidia rpi/i686/amd64.

      i'm telling you this because if you expand your horizon just a little bit you can build something encrypted and redundant and resilient by investing a week or so once a year to give your system/self??? these peace of mind features. its a bit of work and you'll need to pay attention to everything your system does and holds and pay close attention to roles and rights and users and keys for users and roles, not just scripts for pushing and pulling and db-backups. ...

      anyway, yes. encrypted partitions and backup volumes are part of that and you can make it all so that you can directly boot from those, be they local or remote. you should really look into becoming a linux user!

    7. Re: backups + encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, use a VM and backup the VM image in several places in order to keep your software configurations. If you need GPU access from the VM, I've heard there is a way to do that with KVM.

    8. Re:backups + encryption by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My anti-theft measure is a hardened steel cable

      Unless you're talking about something like the support cables for the Golden Gate Bridge, I've never seen a cable that couldn't be defeated by a decent pair of bolt cutters.

      --
      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    9. Re:backups + encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine is a pressure sensor underneath the PC, hooked up to a death ray.

      Muhahahahaha!

    10. Re:backups + encryption by gravewax · · Score: 2

      bolt cutters trump your hardened steel cable. secondly I doubt the rest of your machine is so well hardened that the mount for that steel cable that if I picked it up a gave it a good pull with my body weight that it wouldn't give way, sure it damages the machine but what does a thief care, still get sellable parts and potentially your data if you don't use encryption.

    11. Re:backups + encryption by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      What sort of burglars are you expecting that drive around with a trunk full of heavy engineering tools that they carry into each house they break into on the remote chance they'll need them? The typical burglary is: go to the house looking as inconspicuous as possible (hint: carrying bolt cutters and power tools and whatnot is a dead giveaway that you're not a door-to-door salesman), force entry, grab anything easily accessible in the 30-45s before the alarm goes off, get out.

      In my case it'd take them the entire alarm delay just to locate the computer (it's tucked into an alcove under a desk in the office), at which point they're not going to race out to their car and haul in tools just to liberate a PC that might fetch all of $100 on Craigslist. Instead, they'll grab the $20 wrapped around a pile of ones and gaudy (fake) jewellery on the dresser, possibly grab the AV receiver (paid $50 on eBay, but it looks expensive and has the original $499 price tag on it), and leave again.

    12. Re:backups + encryption by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      Anyone with a dremel can steal it in 1 minute.

      Is this some new nuclear-powered model that can cut through a hardened steel cable in a minute?

      Also, see my other reply further down. You're entirely missing the point of the exercise.

    13. Re:backups + encryption by gravewax · · Score: 3, Informative

      heavy engineering tools? crowbars or bolt cutters are pretty much stock tools for thieves, my house was burgled 2 years ago, they used bolt cutters on the back door security screen and lockon pliers to grip and break the backdoor deadlock. police said this is pretty well standard entry in the area, it is fast, easy and relatively quiet and everyone from kids to professional thieves use this method.

    14. Re:backups + encryption by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "hint: carrying bolt cutters and power tools and whatnot is a dead giveaway that you're not a door-to-door salesman)"

      The standard garb for a professional/experienced thief is a suit and tie and a briefcase - you'd be surprised what fits in one of those and they fit the "normal" expectation, so don't get pulled up by suspicious police very much. They also work an area for months.

      This information comes from interviews with professional car thieves that were published in the 1980s and 90s.

      One of the other tactics used is to deliberately set off car and house alarms in an area for a few days/weeks so that both the police and the inhabitants treat them as false alarms. Once they see responders failing to show up (or being laggardy) is when they'll actually make the strike.

      This kind of criminal is a different class to the addict opportunist looking for an unsecured door/window/gate and anything not nailed down that can be sold for the value of the next fix (and has a large bearing on why treating addiction as a health problem has a LARGE effect on rates of minor burglary in the countries that have taken that path)

  9. Alarm system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    My alarm system is tied into the reset button on my desktop.

    If SWAT kicks in my door, the computer resets my TRUECRYPT protected computer.

    My front door is also reinforced and open from the inside out. If SWAT tries to break in my door, I'll have some warning ahead of time.

    1. Re:Alarm system by burni2 · · Score: 1

      A UPS buffered shutdown would be better, because truecrypt(-- veracrypt) will overwrite the key data in RAM during shutdown.

      A hard reset might make it possible to perform a memory freeze attack and extract the encryption key from the ram directly.

      This attack is not just theory, it is used by for example law enforcement agencies and known to work.

      So one might just kill your electrical power before rolling in.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    2. Re:Alarm system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. Will take into account.

    3. Re: Alarm system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good, now they know that as well.

    4. Re: Alarm system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "My front door is also reinforced and open from the inside out."

      Are you saying the door swings outward? SWAT won't need to kick it in then. They'll just remove the hinge pins...

    5. Re:Alarm system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'kicking in doors' ? That was so 90's. These days they swing from ropes through the windows. Of course Windows won't shut down in time because Flash.exe is hanging in the browser... You know life without MSFT and Adobe would be refreshing..

    6. Re:Alarm system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should also realize that your PC can be seized electronically before SWAT comes...

    7. Re: Alarm system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never had an outward swinging exterior door before, have you..

    8. Re: Alarm system by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Security screen door, outside the front door. Hinge pins are set. IIRC somebody mushroomed the ends pretty good.

      Supreme court said cops can go in and 'secure the front room of the house' (shoot dog etc), without your consent, if you open the door. But not if you have a security door on the outside.

      Everybody should have one, you're a _communist_ if you don't.

      If they want in, they attach a chain to the security door and pull it off. But the pushin to checkout if you've got anything worth stealing (civil forfeiture) won't happen.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  10. Bitlocker + OwnCloud/Seafile by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    My laptop is bitlocker encrypted. All my stuff is synced to a several hundred MB Seafile library. Modern Windows with online accounts takes care of backing up customisations quite well too. A lot of open source apps especially store customisations in a file, they are in a Seafile library.

    The only thing I'll lose if someone steals my laptop is the $200 insurance cost and a few hours of my time reinstalling a few programs.

    1. Re:Bitlocker + OwnCloud/Seafile by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Maybe that was supposed to say several hundred GB... A few hundred MB doesn't get me very far.

    2. Re:Bitlocker + OwnCloud/Seafile by gravewax · · Score: 1

      A few hundred MB's is generally more than enough for the average work laptop. It is only home users with photos etc that have requirements for large backups. My work machine can easily be backed up in 200MB, this will include all my current documents I am working on and my bookmarks etc. Everything else is completely disposable, source code is in repository, mailbox is duplicated on a server.

    3. Re:Bitlocker + OwnCloud/Seafile by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That depends if your work is isolated. The specific project I work on will easily fit within 200MB but all my work does not. If I work on multiple projects then it adds up, but also I keep my entire back catalogue of work with me because referencing past work makes future work very easy.

      A quick breakdown of my "work" library:

      - 250MB of tax documents.
      - 50MB of professional documents (resume, proof of engineering certification, shit I sometimes get asked for etc)
      - 1.5GB of schematics
      - 350MB of documents not related to electronic design.
      - 4GB of vendor related information
      - 3GB of datasheets
      - 5GB of design documentation
      - 1.5GB of reference material (not datasheets or vendor)
      - 600MB of code related files (includes binaries but they aren't big).

      You are right though, looking at separate non work librarys:
      - 15GB of phone syncing (camera videos, photos etc)
      - 250GB of photography waiting in my queue to run through Lightroom (though only a subset is synced with my laptop at any given time)
      - 580GB of astro photography files currently being worked on (though this is not synced with my laptop since 8GB of RAM just doesn't cut it here).
      - 340GB of video footage (not synced with my laptop, I don't do video editing work on my laptop).

      So in a typical person's collection media is definitely the largest consumer of space they may have on their computer, but still my "work" folder is over 16GB, and I'm sure I'm not the worst. ... at least I hope I'm not :-)

      Interesting comment on source code. I guess most of this work could sit in a source repository but I still prefer to have it on my laptop offline, especially older work which may not have a repository anymore. Same with the mailbox. I access email via IMAP, but I still have the full mailbox on my laptop. But I guess we're talking specifically about clouds here so that doesn't really count.

  11. Smith & Wesson 29 by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 1

    Full loaded with its .44 special cartridges, works better than any backup as a deterrent against laptop thieves.

    1. Re:Smith & Wesson 29 by petes_PoV · · Score: 2

      Full loaded with its .44 special cartridges, works better than any backup as a deterrent against laptop thieves.

      Unless the potential thieves know you have a weapon and reckon that you will:
      a) be prepared to use it
      b) be at home when they break in
      c) would not be deterred by their greater force or number

      Then all that being armed does is make you (mistakenly) feel more secure. It's nothing more than a safety blanket for you to hide behind.

      --
      politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
    2. Re:Smith & Wesson 29 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're still going to steal your stuff after they've taken all this into account, you're not dealing with regular thieves; you're looking at professional robbers of the three-letter-agency variety, and chances are their primary method will be to hold your family at gunpoint secure in their knowledge that any self defense will be a federal crime no matter what they do to your children with their badged genitals.

    3. Re:Smith & Wesson 29 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Then all that being armed does is make you (mistakenly) feel more secure.

      Incorrect. Being armed definitely makes you more secure against the broad spectrum of threats, which doesn't include whatever ninja intel agency fantasy you just conjured up. In that extraordinarily rare case, being armed does still give you some chance of protection you would not otherwise have. Regardless, it is a ludicrous situation.

    4. Re:Smith & Wesson 29 by Zedrick · · Score: 2

      So you're prepared to kill people just because they want to steal your laptop? That's quite sad, even if you happen to live in a place like Somalia.

    5. Re:Smith & Wesson 29 by ACE209 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes Sir, but the question here was: What if all fails and the valuable piece of equipment has fallen victim to thieves?

      And here I suggest, first and foremost, a bottle of tequila to wash away the pain.

      And to gather some courage to detonate the thermo-nuclear charge, which was thoughtfully placed in the device, for just such cases.

      Oh, and backups and encryption the people here are talking about sound like a wise thing too.

      --
      "we are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."
    6. Re: Smith & Wesson 29 by guruevi · · Score: 1

      I'm prepared to kill anyone that walks in my house uninvited, the fact that you aren't is sad.

      --
      Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
    7. Re:Smith & Wesson 29 by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      So you're prepared to kill people just because they want to steal your laptop?

      I wouldn't kill them, I'd probably just wing 'em.

      --
      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    8. Re: Smith & Wesson 29 by DogDude · · Score: 1

      You sound like a real nutter. You're probably American, right?

      --
      I don't respond to AC's.
    9. Re:Smith & Wesson 29 by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Full loaded with its .44 special cartridges, works better than any backup as a deterrent against laptop thieves.

      Do you have a fully autonomous Smith and Wesson 29 at home? Or is your solution highly dependent on your involvement in which case it's unlikely the laptop would get stolen in the first place.

      #fuckingamericans

    10. Re: Smith & Wesson 29 by corydoras · · Score: 2

      What are you supposed to do, wait and find out what the person breaking in plans to do and whether they're armed? This isn't onerous or crazy. Just don't break in to people's houses unless you're willing to be shot.

    11. Re:Smith & Wesson 29 by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I know you're trolling. That cannon overpenetrates for a neighborhood. Gonna shoot a kid through 3 walls.

      Save it for Grizzly hunting, backup weapon.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    12. Re: Smith & Wesson 29 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cops with a warrant, confused exchange students, and everyone on Halloween should fear you.

    13. Re:Smith & Wesson 29 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just, uh, make sure it really is stolen and not misplaced before setting off any erm megaton charges. ;)

    14. Re: Smith & Wesson 29 by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Walks into house uninvited is not breaking in, is the point. Just a fucking gun lunatic.

    15. Re: Smith & Wesson 29 by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Nope, I've lived and worked in Europe near actual no-go zones, the only way to defend yourself from a group is to kill or seriously injure the leader. I also have children, I'm not going to wait and ask whether they will voluntarily leave.

      --
      Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
    16. Re: Smith & Wesson 29 by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Yes it is, it is breaking and entering in the US/UK.

      --
      Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
  12. Test your backups. Test everything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep those backups separately from the pc. It does not good to have a backup drive inside the pc (even as a removable device) then have it be stolen along with the pc (or, laptop, tablet, phone, what-have-you) since it was still plugged in.

    And, of course, do a full restore on a different machine --which is what you'll do after a theft-- and see if everything is there and functional. Encryption, cloud, off-site whatnots, none of it will do you any good if you cannot restore, so never forget to test everything just like you would use it after a theft or other disaster.

    1. Re: Test your backups. Test everything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A dick I worked with ran a script to backup the primary disk user data to the second drive in the machine. He claimed that the chance of both drives failing at the same time is so small it will never happen. One day IT came by and reclaimed the machine.

    2. Re: Test your backups. Test everything. by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      So he got a new computer, got it. Cool story, bro.

  13. Seriously? by locater16 · · Score: 2

    Seriously? Well, sure why not.

    If you're going to go that far just use Tails OS and backup the encrypted volume on some cheap cloud storage. You have backup, you have encryption, and even some theoretical thief doesn't get any of it, short of kidnapping you and hitting you a bunch with a hammer.

  14. Build one that is too heavy to steal by xfade551 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just build a gigantic tower PC with full water cooling rig, in a case with no good grip points, then strap it to the leg of your desk with plumber's tape and screws with security torx heads.

    1. Re:Build one that is too heavy to steal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You win :-)

    2. Re:Build one that is too heavy to steal by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      I was thinking that one of those mineral oil cooled PC's is absolutely not something that I want following me home. Not the entire tankm not the parts lifted out of the tank... none of it is allowed in my home or my car. Thats some strong theft protection right there.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    3. Re:Build one that is too heavy to steal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're on the right track. I have 15 cubic foot fire/burglary safe that is bolted to floor (concrete slab). When I am out of the house, my laptop is locked in the safe.

    4. Re:Build one that is too heavy to steal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a 20 gallon aquarium filled with mineral oil used as the cooling for a caseless computer, immersed inside the tank.

  15. Security through obscurity by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    First, track down one of those Dell laptops from the early 2000s - the two-inch thick ones which used desktop processors and weighed something like ten pounds.

    Then take the ginormous power brick from that laptop, hollow it out, and hide your MacBook in there.

    --
    #DeleteChrome
    1. Re:Security through obscurity by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Damn it!
      I thought that was my secret!

      --
      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
  16. Full Disk Encryption & Backups & iscsi by burni2 · · Score: 1

    Some questions to start with:
    1.) Why keeping a hidden encrypted partition?

    Its easier and more secure to have FDE in place because some programm .. perhaps notepad++ might buffer for example the text files that contain your passwords (password managers have some security issues themself).

    2.) Backups / local & online "offsite"

    Do you maintain the internet connection for your parents? .. put a small remote controlled server there and store only encrypted data on it.

    encrypt backups too :)

    here is how I do it:

    1.) local data is encrypted and on a homeserver that has FDE

    2.) my backup home server is just an iscsimachine the encryption/decryption is done on my homeserver and the disks are just "exported" over the network via iscsi

    3.) my root server is an iscsi machine too and is handled the same way as my backup home server over an ssh tunnel.

    The backup is done via rsync and I maintain a database of hashes for all files and locations (helps to reduce size by finding double data)

    4.) I do a desaster simulation once in a while .. because having a backup is one thing, being able to restore all data it is another.

    5.) When I'm not at home my computers are powered off, except an additional intrusion detection system. (old raspberry)

    6.) all my computer I take with me are stone aged - yet still 64-bit & ssd accelerated - netbooks - cost ~60-80 USD + the ssd(only 128 and 256 gb) = low cost

    Idea:
    It might be a good idea to have a "tripwire" partition in place that boots unencrypted unless you switch the boot manager to the real FDE partition on prompt. This tripwire installation can signal GPS position over a 3G-card or take pictures via the webcam and make other remote control stuff possible.

    To my knowledge all 3G cards provide also gps data over a virtual comport. (= no extra special hardware neccessary)

    1. Re:Full Disk Encryption & Backups & iscsi by Kokuyo · · Score: 2

      Are you sure you are important enough as a person to warrant that much effort?

    2. Re:Full Disk Encryption & Backups & iscsi by burni2 · · Score: 1

      Simple and short answer: Yes.

      I value my data, my privacy and the data integrity to be important enough to warrant that much effort .. and from my point of view, people that don't, will realize that later, what they lost, but only when it happens.

      I'm aware of the dangers of the offline and the online world and as such I take the neccessary precaution not to get worried over the awareness.

      Example, my house burns down I buy a cheap computer and restore my data from the root server.

      And that much effort .. you really think I do this barrage by hand ? .. in case of server reinstall:
      I have a custom FreeBSD-memstick image with precompiled specific config files. This setup however is only semi-automatic.
      So it takes about 5 minutes.

      the operation
      - home backup server is started by the homeserver via a Silvershield USB switchable socket (using my intrusion detection raspi as an intermediate) and the backup starts automatically.

      The ssh-tunnel to my root server is initiated via a pub/priv key.

      So I do not have much of an effort because most of it runs unattended, the sanity is checked by another script (-> database of hashes, if too many hashes do change .. I get a red light). And at times its fun to just lay back and watch the system do its job.

      The setup is also fun to extend and to automate, the Silvershield is the latest addition - Rome was just not built in one day.

    3. Re: Full Disk Encryption & Backups & iscsi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When do you have time to be "not at home"??

    4. Re:Full Disk Encryption & Backups & iscsi by capt_peachfuzz · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the great writeup. Was item #3 (my root server) supposed to be "remote"? The SSH tunnel seemed to indicate that it is a remote server, but then I couldn't understand using rsync on top of iscsi exported across a WAN.

      Also, I curious what software you use for creating and maintaining the hash DB. Is it just scripts, or a software package?

    5. Re:Full Disk Encryption & Backups & iscsi by geek111 · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you are important enough as a person to warrant that much effort?

      The victims 'importance' (or lack thereof) has little to do with data security. Once your device (PC/tablet/mobile/whatever) is lost or stolen, what happens next could just be for the Lulz...

      Case in point. A friend of mine lost her mobile phone. It was found by nefarious folks who got into it and-

      • -changed all her social media passwords
      • - logged onto her email (without changing the passwords) and impersonated her to her contacts and family
      • - WRECKED her eBay account, which was her primary source of income
      • - eavesdrop and impersonated her on FB
      • - signed her up for identity protection (yes they did that)
      • - called and texted her repeatedly from different spoofed numbers just to harass her

      They weren't stealing from her. It was all about harassment. But the takeaway is clear. The days where you could safely assume that thieves only want your hardware is gone and has been for some time. Thieves recognize that just like a wallet or safe, a cell phone or PC is a container and they want what is inside it.

      Encrypt your data and keep backups, use strong passwords and never ever re-use passwords.

    6. Re:Full Disk Encryption & Backups & iscsi by burni2 · · Score: 1

      1.a) the root server is a remote server: yes

      iscsi just exports the local drives to the localhost
      then my homeserver tunnels into and the iscsi-"client" (I hate the iscsi nomenclature) connects to localhost.

      The tunnel is for authentification purpose(yeah iscsi can use some auth too but I was just lazy and wanted to have an small footprint config) and also for security because I do trust "ssh" much>much>much more than putting out an iscsi-server - even on a non-std. port number onto the internet. With the ssh-tunnel I kill two problems with one tool.

      Then 2x "geli" takes over, so my final encrypted iscsi device is "/dev/da0.eli.eli" (= yeah I'm paranoid)

      And rsync syncs only the files & directories that have changed, which is pretty efficient, also in terms of bandwidth usage.
      I get the full bandwidth out of my connection.

      Rsync works great also for local directory syncing.

      The encryption and decryption is 2x 100% done on the homeserver so my root server as well as my local backup server are just "dumb" providers of disk space.

      1.b) using cygwin and the ssh-client I can even export those drives directly to windows(works like a charm) - except that windows cannot work on ufs2 :)

      In the past I employed low power NAS-Servers so geli+ZFS was just to hefty for them to use and UFS2 does the trick for me,
      for a good amount of time now.

      2.) the hash DB is filled by just a bunch of shell scripts (no bash dialect or extensions, because I try to keep FreeBSD the primary operating system on the computer not BASH ;) )

      In the past I have experimented with another approach: just creating a bunch of directories using a certain amount of initial hash-hex-decimals of their hash as their names and then trying to balance them out .. because when hitting 36000 directories my script complained about not being able to create more dirs.

      The scripts to balance this "hash tree" got pretty messy so I dropped that approach.

    7. Re: Full Disk Encryption & Backups & iscsi by burni2 · · Score: 1

      1.) when I work
      2.) when I work on my cars
      3.) when I excersise my free time

      As I stated in another post, to (re-)create the setup does/did not take much time, nor does it take much time to maintain, cause I tend not to do things more often if they are easy=time efficient to automate and to validate the results.

  17. Revealing data by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, the cost of repairs after a break-in will far exceed the value of your PC. And in addition, the increased insurance premiums will probably dwarf the repair costs, too.

    Most burglaries are drugs-related. All the thief wants is to get in, grab enough to pay for their next fix and run away. All this stuff about organised robberies, knowing what to look for, recognising a pearl in the pigsh... , thefts to facilitate hacking - that only happens in bad movies.

    There is not a housebreaker in the world who has any technical knowledge. All they will see is a PC-shaped box. And being a PC, it's resale value is negligible. it probably isn't even worth carrying to their car. I would suggest buying a broken Macbook or iPhone as a decoy and leaving that as a "sacrifice". Being instantly recognisable and easily portable, that would be stolen in preference to what you actually value.

    If you are still worried that a thief will steal all your little secrets, then the simple solution is to run Linux. Anyone in the thief's circle will not recognise that as being Windows and they will therefore toss the PC at the earliest opportunity.

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    1. Re:Revealing data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of piece of shit PC do you have? Completely replacing a window is less than $500.

    2. Re:Revealing data by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      All this stuff about organised robberies, knowing what to look for, recognising a pearl in the pigsh... , thefts to facilitate hacking - that only happens in bad movies.

      It happens in real life too, but only if your home is worth north of $5 million or when your job already prevents you from having sensitive data on personal devices.

      Yeah... if you live in a shitty basement apartment because you miss mom... nobody is breaking in looking for pearls. They are looking for small electronics, cash, and any drugs you got.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    3. Re:Revealing data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this stuff about organised robberies, knowing what to look for, recognising a pearl in the pigsh... , thefts to facilitate hacking - that only happens in bad movies.

      Unfortunately that is reality in Germany. We've had considerable rise in burglaries by organized groups in the last few years.

    4. Re:Revealing data by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

      Completely replacing a window is less than $500

      And before any insurance company will touch you in the future, you will need to replace your front door (and any other exterior doors) with enhanced, secure, doors. Plus locks on all your ground-floor windows, maybe a burglar alarm too.

      reckon on several thousand $$$$ spent and non-claimable. And after that, to add insult to injury, your premiums will be much higher - at least for few years.

      Think it would be cheaper to not claim and keep quiet? Even worse idea. If you are found out, which you would be, then no future claim would be paid as you had withheld relevant information.You could even find yourself on a blacklist and uninsurable.

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    5. Re:Revealing data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You live in a really weird fantasy world, or you only deal with shitty insurance companies. My aunt's house was broken into recently, and she went through none of what you describe. The agent was very comforting and sympathetic. Also, whose windows don't have locks on them?

    6. Re:Revealing data by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Break-in reports in my area indicate the robbers locating and taking security DVRs, cutting fiber/phone/cable lines, and working methodically for high-value items.

      Ultimately though, the best strategy for protecting your PC is to not have much on it. Keep your data on a NAS/small server or three locked in a heavy cabinet secured to the floor.

    7. Re:Revealing data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this stuff about organised robberies, knowing what to look for, recognising a pearl in the pigsh... , thefts to facilitate hacking - that only happens in bad movies.

      Unfortunately that is reality in Germany. We've had considerable rise in burglaries by organized groups in the last few years.

      Kind of funny. A lot of Europeans get on Americans because we supposedly are so quick to kill intruders. Maybe if you did that, it would happen less often.
      I'm willing to bet your criminals have something in common with our criminals - they don't want to die for someone's crap.

    8. Re:Revealing data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are still worried that a thief will steal all your little secrets, then the simple solution is to run Linux. Anyone in the thief's circle will not recognise that as being Windows and they will therefore toss the PC at the earliest opportunity.

      Ah yes, when my Uni still ran Solaris we referred to this as "UFS encryption".

    9. Re:Revealing data by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      ^This! The kind of criminals that would break into my house and steal my PC aren't going to be hacking into it. They'll sell it for drug money, and the buyer will just wipe the damn thing.

      All I need to do is utter some bad words, buy a new PC, and restore my crap from backups.

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    10. Re:Revealing data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All this stuff about organised robberies, knowing what to look for, recognising a pearl in the pigsh... , thefts to facilitate hacking - that only happens in bad movies.

      I know of three homes that have been hit by professional thieves. The worst was my uncle. They found him via a stamp collecting website and traveled from multiple states away to hit him. They broke into his safe. They also to part of his collection of steins. Only the valuable ones. I guess my life is a movie?

    11. Re:Revealing data by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "They'll sell it for drug money, and the buyer will just wipe the damn thing."

      If it's not passworded then they won't even do that. The number of cases where people find their stolen devices are logging in across town/country (or internationally) is surprising.

      What should be more concerning than the level of thefts of technology is that there's clear enough evidence of an organised transportation network for stolen goods to warrant investigation.

  18. Remote tracking software by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 1

    How do I prepapre for the theft? I have Prey installed https://www.preyproject.com/ , and leave the machine unlocked and unencrypted. When it was stolen, the police arrested the thief within 90 minutes of him switching the machine on. (This works, of course, becase thieves are not smart.)

    For really confidential stuff, we have other secure machines and procedures. The notebooks are for daily work.

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    1. Re:Remote tracking software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I really love the ridiculous stereotyping on their site... because of course all criminals are bald white men with 5 o'clock shadow, a wife beater, and tattoos.

    2. Re:Remote tracking software by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 1

      I dunno about wife beater, but the rest of your description matches the temporary user of my notebook.

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    3. Re: Remote tracking software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's based in ultra liberal San Francisco. They sure as hell couldn't make the thief a black guy. They would go to hell if they did.

  19. Laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't buy a laptop you cuck

  20. Is there a non-obvious solution here? by shatteredsilicon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Material loss: Insurance (read the small print and make sure you get a policy that covers it).

    Privacy loss: Encrypt the disk. Commercial and open source full disk encryption software is easily available.

    Data loss: Backups. Plenty of affordable online backup/storage solutions are available, some specialising in specifically in backups (Backblaze, Crashplan), others that are more generic (Amazon Drive, Google Drive).

  21. Backups, no MSFT, whole disk encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Automatic, versioned, daily, backups, no MSFT, whole disk encryption.
    No automatic logins or trivial pins.

    Had an unlocked smartphone stolen in Barcelona - just like 2M other people do every year - and that got me to alter everything in portable devices.

    Whole disk encryption means my data is relatively safe.

    Versioned backups means I can restore from yesterday or last week or 6 weeks ago easily. It means a dead HDD/SSD is a minor inconvenience. It means very little data is risked during travel.
    Not using Windows means that restoring my HOME, returns my settings, customizations, and most data with just 1 command. Combined with a list of package manager installed applications, and I have a completely "me" environment in about 20-45 minutes on a new PC. Nothing missed. Nothing forgotten.

  22. many ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    keep a brightly lit fully working decoy PC next to the real pc that is hidden inside something. run the wires cleverly so that it looks like everything is connected to the decoy.

    i think the greatest deterrent to stealing a PC are DVI screws. so why not just improve what already works - reinforced steel cable, then manufacture your own screws that are like a foot long

  23. Sounds like gov is doing the asking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "So how do you try to keep us out and where do the tech-savy Slashdot civilians keep their backups?" None of your damn business. How about that?

  24. Backup settings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a decent backup program and it will do a FULL backup for you, no need to fiddle with re-creating settings. Personally, I'm very happy (and also had to use it, but not due to theft but harddisk crash) with Apple's Time Machine.

    Oh yes, I use a Mac, not Windows. :)

  25. Shit stained diapers by squarefish · · Score: 4, Funny

    Biological weapons work best.

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    1. Re: Shit stained diapers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't need diapers; my keyboard already has biohazard covered.

  26. Theft of my PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I actually rigged up a grenade I "borrowed" from the Army, and stuffed it inside the case of my computer tower. Anyone tries to open it up the wrong way, and BOOM.

    It would probably be safer to rig up some kind of electromagnetic degaussing device, though.

    1. Re:Theft of my PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grenade is too much.
      A bit of magnesia-aluminum over the hdd that should be enough.

  27. Have your own Satellite by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Space launches are getting so cheap now that you can just put a computer in space and just log into it.

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  28. Dedicated Desaster Recovery HDD by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Like most, I like my desaster recovery to be hassle free. I've found the most important aspect of this to be dedicated HDDs for this. I use 2.5" external 0.5 or 1TB HDDs. On macOS TimeMachine and on linux BackInTime. Same thing.

    The external USB HDDs have labels on them, like "(HOSTNAME) TimeMachine" or "(HOSTNAME) BackInTime". I don't use these for anything else. This is important!

    TimeMachine / BackInTime cover my main users home dir. Pure and simple.

    For archiving I have two seperate USB HDDs of the same type and size (2TB). UnifiedDataSorage 1 and 2. I archive stuff on 1 and roughly once a year rsync to 2, then use 2 for the next round. When I rsync 2 back to 1 I use 1 again. This keeps both HDDs in resonable use. The archive not in use is hidden in my bathroom cabinet, so it's not easly found in a break-in.

    WiFi Drives under the floorpanels or NAS on a VPN with a computer buddy in another town in case of a fire would be a better solution, but we haven't gotten aroind to this yet. But I consider my setup usable, cheap, resonably hassle-free and safe enough.

    My 2 eurocents.

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    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:Dedicated Desaster Recovery HDD by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "The external USB HDDs have labels on them, like "(HOSTNAME) TimeMachine" or "(HOSTNAME) BackInTime". I don't use these for anything else. This is important!"

      Don't keep them _anywhere_ near your computers.

      I've had to deal with a number of staff who've been burgled where the thieves not only took their laptops, but the backup USB drives conveniently placed on a shelf above the desk.

  29. Forgot to mention ... by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    ... encrypted HDD or homedir. Really important if you don't want a stolen computer leading to ID theft and a large type fuckup of your life.

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    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
  30. Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by cerberusss · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So I was at the receiving end of a burglary last year. The wife woke me up because she heard something. And in some sort of half-sleep/half-awake state, I stormed down and charged at the two guys that were riffling through our possessions.

    Thank god I live in Europe so burglars aren't armed or anything. They ran away to the front door and tried to escape. I ran after them and when they were opening the front door, attacked them. At some point during the pushing and shoving, I woke up and thought -- what the fuck do I actually care?

    So I said "okay guys, let's stop here. I haven't actually seen your faces and I'm not looking" (I started staring at the floor) "and I don't really care, just take that stuff and go". They took off and I called the cops. They took fingerprints and stuff but never caught them.

    They took an iPad, a MacBook and some money. I remote-locked the iPad, and realized I had Prey running on the MacBook. I switched the MacBook to "lost mode" but one year later, it appears they formatted the drive before connecting to the internet. The files on the MacBook weren't encrypted, the iPad was.

    Lessons learned:
    - I got most of the value back through the insurance
    - Install Prey or some other remote locking software stuff
    - Don't go and fight burglars, it's not worth it

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    1. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      >Thank god I live in Europe so burglars aren't armed or anything.

      Yes, in Europe people that break into your house never carry any sort of weapon. And they are generally nice fellows that you can share a pint with afterward.

    2. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well then thank god I live in the United States. My house/car/office has never been broken into. I guess you are thanking god you live in a crime ridden shithole.

    3. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you are thanking god you live in a crime ridden shithole.

      In many parts of Europe you don't want to complain too loudly about crimes like that or you get called a racist due to the demographics of the perpetrators.

    4. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with that blindfold!

      Captcha: repress

    5. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wake up. In the US, the scenario described above would most likely have resulted in people *dying* over a fucking macbook.

    6. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, can this be a 5? I think it should be a 5.

    7. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let me get this straight: you caught them and then decided to let them go after they grabbed Apple products and some cash?

      Did you let them rape your wife too since you couldn't see their face?

      What's your address? It's good to know I can go to Europe and steal from useless cucks like yourself.

    8. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You utter fucking PUSSY.

      Report to a vet and ask them to castrate you. You obviously aren't using your balls for anything important.

    9. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      They took off and I called the cops. They took fingerprints and stuff but never caught them.

      Yeah, that's how it goes with police.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    10. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by PPH · · Score: 2

      Thank god I live in Europe so burglars aren't armed or anything.

      Umm, no. Knives are a thing. And I can show you where you can (legally) buy a handgun within the EU (Schengen area). And then drive it anywhere you want, strict gun laws or not.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    11. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by maestroX · · Score: 2

      - Don't go and fight burglars, it's not worth it

      You're lucky. Even in Europe burglary is becoming more violent, and contrary to the US, there is no my house, my castle legislation. You're lucky, because you were able to have the time to assess the situation and discuss with the burglars. If intent were different or drugs were at play, most likely it would have a totally different outcome.

    12. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, I once had the good fortune to hear a guy breaking in. Conked him over the head with a 2 litre Coke bottle that happened to be standing on the counter. The plods were rather amused to find the burglar hanging over the kitchen windowsill, with his feet outside and his arms and head lolling inside - said they've been looking for him. It helped that I was actually in the army reserve at the time and well trained.

      Years later, my son heard a burglar breaking in. Walked up to him and punched him flat on his back. It helped that he is a personal trainer. The plods were again very happy with the result.

      So sometimes the crooks are simply SOL: "Guns don't kill people. *I* kill people."

    13. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're lucky. Even in Europe burglary is becoming more violent, and contrary to the US, there is no my house, my castle legislation.
      You're lucky, because you were able to have the time to assess the situation and discuss with the burglars. If intent were different or drugs were at play, most likely it would have a totally different outcome.

      valid points, but I would knock down your smugness a peg because lecturing someone who has gone through the experience from an armchair rings hollow.

      There are many possible outcomes during and following a home invasion, and invasion experiences are rare. It matters whether his wife feels safe after, in their house or on the street, and nobody knows how they will behave until tested.

    14. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even in Europe burglary is becoming more violent,

      because of the refugees?

    15. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      If intent were different or drugs were at play, most likely it would have a totally different outcome.

      Yup. The burglars were two youngsters who were just as afraid as I was. I was very, very lucky indeed, and I very much agree with you on the other points.

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    16. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are many possible outcomes during and following a home invasion, and invasion experiences are rare. It matters whether his wife feels safe after, in their house or on the street, and nobody knows how they will behave until tested.

      Correct there. If you would've asked me in advance how I'd react, I would not in a thousand years have guessed my reaction. But I got into this weird sleep-rage and it took an actual fight to finally snap out of it. It was like someone else was at the wheel, some primal lizard-brain reaction.

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    17. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Don't want to die? Don't steal.

      Pretty simple, really.

    18. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't live in Europe.

      I'd have been armed.

      They'd have been dead, and I'd still have my laptop, my iPad, and my money. Cleaning up the blood would have been annoying, might have had to patch a few bullet holes, but they'd never have tried to rob me or anybody else again.

    19. Re:Nothing you can do except encrypt and insure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't go and fight burglars, it's not worth it

      Maybe in Europe it's not worth it, but here in the United States the Castle Doctrine prevails in most states, including here in California. In fact, I keep a loaded .45 ACP semi-auto handgun right were I can get at it quickly in my bedroom for just such an occasion. The relevant law in California reads as follows:

      "Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household [emphasis mine] when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred."

      What this means is that had those burglars broken into my home here in California, I could have gone downstairs and shot them dead with my pistol and been completely justified legally in killing both of them. So I suppose that I agree with you in that I would not have engaged them in a fight, but rather simply shot them dead on the spot. The law automatically grants me presumption of fear of imminent peril of death merely by catching them inside my home at night uninvited and rummaging through my things and I lock down my house every night so they must have forced entry to get in which means that I also satisfy the reasonable belief that they forced entry. That makes it an iron clad legal defense of justifiable homicide. In fact, it's so obvious that no prosecutor would even bother to bring the charges.

  31. Bitlocker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They might steal the PC. They ain't getting the data.
    The only way to prevent a computer from getting stolen, would be to bolt it to the wall with chains and what not. Or make it so well hidden that nobody can access it.

  32. Don't put the keys to the kingdom on there at all by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Instead of encrypted partitions (or as well as them) I'd say it's best to not put things that are most useful to a thief on there at all. Bank account details do not have to be saved for example. Scans of documents that could be used for identity theft - not the permanent place for them either.
    While a thief could do a social engineering attack on another using your email settings (another reason to not autosave a password) it's more hard work than them getting your banking details.

    IMHO the likelihood of theft is why certificate only logins to VPNs or ssh are an extremely bad idea especially on laptops and tablets. Sure, use a cert, but if there is no passphrase than any thief or script kiddie that 0wns the device can get into whatever you can get into.

  33. What's more likely, losing your PC or your life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hate to break it to you lady, but you're much, much, much more likely to die. And yes, you should worry, even if your husband keeps telling you not to worry.

  34. Have lots of cheap PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fill them with cheap tube porn downloads. Squirrel your encrypted data in there somewhere. A nice way is to have a veracrypt archive (e.g. 1MB) stored at offset 103MB within some particularly filthy porn movie. Something like that. You may need to modify veracrypt to allow offsets into files. Use a mechanical means of generating passwords via hashes, and keyfiles (which are offsets into said porn movie files,e.g. extract 4K from 10MB inside another one).

    Given nothing else, they're gonna have to sift through a lot of filthy porn before they find anything useful. By sticking with cheap refurb laptops (running Linux), you basically minimise your losses. Store multiply on multiple devices, and as soon as one laptop is either stolen or breaks, move onto another one. Make sure your important stuff can be done using a regular Raspberry Pi. For example, write your own spreadsheet engine in Python.

    Don't be a sucker that depends upon the proprietary software industry, and you're in place. Bend over a barrel for them,and you're asking to get shafted.

    1. Re: Have lots of cheap PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "they're gonna have to sift through a lot of filthy porn before they find anything useful"

      Yeah, that will definitely discourage them from stealing from *you* again...

  35. Theft Free Zone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i just have a sign on my door declaring my home a Theft Free Zone. Theives can't steal your PC if it's not allowed!

  36. Simples by thsths · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Backup
    2. Enough money to buy a new one
    3. Encryption

    1. Re:Simples by ledow · · Score: 2

      Yup.

      If you're "recreating your configuration", it means your backups are incomplete.

      You have to expect to never get that item back, most thieves will just wipe it and sell it on really quickly. They are also not loathe to just destroy it if they can't get rid of it safely or if they think it might be being tracked.

      If you encrypt EVERYTHING (why would you only encrypt a small part?), they can never access it. P.S. this also makes them more likely to wipe it, or just destroy it for parts.

      Amazing how people miss the really simple stuff.

      Thinking that even a BIOS-controlled talkback mechanism has any sort of decent success rate is really naive. Most of this stuff is never seen again.

  37. They won't get much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Much of my stuff is stored off my PC so they steal it they get a PC to sell on EBay I guess

  38. Secrete door to a secrete room in the basement. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just get one of these bad boys:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZS_CHjYie4A/maxresdefault.jpg

    Your PC and data are safe! It's not like a thief will ever be able to find a copy of the dragon key for it.

    http://www2.fiskars.com/Products/Gardening-and-Yard-Care/Cultivating-Tools/Big-Grip-Cultivator-400S

    1. Re:Secrete door to a secrete room in the basement. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Secrete door to a secrete room"

      Or you could cut to the chase and secrete a new laptop.

  39. Please register for the darwin award! by burni2 · · Score: 1

    He was killed by an exploding grenade he had installed to kill thieves that would temper with his property. Unfortunatly he forgot the grenade and accessed the computer hardware with the neccessary precaution. .. or ..

    Was found guilty and got sentenced to death for trip-wire 1st degree murdering an FBI agent trying to access his computer hardware.

  40. Use a shit one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They won't want to steal it.

  41. Backups. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Drive encryption on, Backup to Hidden NAS in the house, backup to encrypted cloud storage.

    Really trivial solutions that have been available for everyone for over half a decade now.

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  42. Value of the PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since your information has already been stolen via the internet, browser, cookies, purchase history accumulation by amazon and grocery store register data, browser holes purposely left open by MSFT, etc., your PC is worth nothing..

    So, given this, I usually prepare for the theft by lubing up and bending over.

  43. Put a big fucking bomb in it by rebelwarlock · · Score: 1

    One that goes off when the move the tower. Then there will be no data for them to steal. And no them to steal data.

  44. I have four dogs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody is coming into my house.

  45. That is easy ... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    250g of C4, shaped charge directed at the place where the user is sitting.
    As soon as it gets activated and decides via its network connection that it is at the wrong place in the universe, it gets triggered.
    An additional termite charge in the hard drives should make sure it can not be traced back to me ...

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    1. Re:That is easy ... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      And then your DHCP-setup changes unexpectedly. If you survive, I am sure they will find you a nice, permanent space in prison, as you surely are a terrorist that blew himself up by being stupid.

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    2. Re:That is easy ... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      First of all I obviously was joking.
      Secondly how the funk should my DHCP set up suddenly change?
      And thirdly, why would that fake/fluke my location in any way if it changed?

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  46. Two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Encryption, backup.

  47. If you have a Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Turn off auto login and require a password or TouchID to log in
    2. Turn on FileVault.Put the escrow key printed out in a safe.
    3. Set the Firmware Password
    4. Turn on Find My Mac
    5. Back up with Time Machine
    6. Optionally back up with something else off site (e.g. Crashplan)

    If you have an iOS device:

    1. Set a passcode
    2. Turn on Find my iPhone/iPad
    3. Back up to iCloud

    Given that above, you'll typically be back up and running with a new machine, restored from backup, within a couple of hours of taking it out of the box (if your internet connection is fast enough - otherwise it will take longer to restore the backup)

    It's pretty simple. A chrome book would be the only thing simpler.

  48. many clones of my main pc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Each is moving around in a Hillside line-of-sight network of AirBNB hosts.

  49. My approach by movdqa · · Score: 1

    Encryption. 2 backups (also encrypted), one at home and one at the office. If lost, damaged or stolen, I just buy another MacBook Pro, restore from Time Machine and I'm good to go. I work near an Apple Store so I could probably be back up and running in a few hours.

  50. Defence in depth by blake1 · · Score: 1

    I do the following:

    - Store copies of important data in multiple locations (backed up to a device in my home as well as cloud).
    - Use a long, complex password.
    - Encrypt my hard drive.
    - Enable Firmware Password. This is not preventative but it does give me some peace of mind knowing that if my laptop was stolen, it is not able to be wiped and re-used.
    - Enable Find My Mac. I do not have any experience using this to locate a laptop but it has saved numerous friends' phones.
    - Display a logon message with my full name, phone number and email address.
    - Have insurance that covers me for theft when I am at home or travelling.

  51. BACKUPS! by Templer421 · · Score: 2

    Full Image of hard drive on an external hard drive of flash drive.

  52. backups + encryption+VM. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If one wants to be anal, there's always running one's entire desktop on a VM, so system differences don't make a difference. Then the only thing that needs to be PXEd is the VM software.

  53. FDE & Backups & iscsi & Yubikey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surprised he doesn't have a Yubikey as well.

  54. quite the myth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    usb sticks are supposes to be viable space for personal data, not a replacement bootdisk.

    I put a usb passive hub and four usb memmory sticks configured as RAID MIRROR inside a real estate doorknob lock and nobody can steal that data. Can hook on my bike to my NEO OpenMoko phone USB host port as a wifi NAS.

    all great until officer friendly arrives with boltcutters saying my bike looks abandoned, then it is almost lite enough to instal on drone to follow me around.

    1. Re: quite the myth. by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      This post was painful to read.

  55. Lock 'em up... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    As a general rule for my side business, all data resides on the file server and the backup hard drive in the Red Hat Linux box. I'm not overly concern about my inexpensive laptop or gaming rig being stolen. The file server and RHL box are locked down with Kensington cable locks. This, of course, doesn't prevent a determined thief from stealing these systems. It does deter the casual thief who is looking to get in and out in a hurry.

    1. Re:Lock 'em up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm not overly concern about my inexpensive laptop"

      But you should be concerned about your shocking ignorance of basic grammar for some who has a "personal brand" as million dollar selling author.

        [amzn.to].

      Again with your affiliate spam?

  56. Laptops by ricks03 · · Score: 1

    For a laptop, I just enable to Power-on and disk password (and lock admin). That's going to stop 99.99% of the thieves (and protect the data from them), and, better yet, give the thieves a laptop that isn't good for much at a pawnshop, so they're less likely to return for a second pass. Any systems are imaged (clonezilla) with the images stored off site, and the data is backed up (and on a weekly basis swapped with off-site backup (taking drive to work after confirming routine with employer).

  57. Use an external drive for your private stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thieves are going to grab what they can and take off, they aren't going to go hunting behind your basement sofa for hard drives. If you are a paranoid nut like me you can even keep a backup hard drive mirror in a fire safe in your garage.

  58. High explosives... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and a detonator cap connected to a case fan header.

    You do -not- want to steal my pc.

    1. Re:High explosives... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, your lifetime spot in federal prison is already reserved. Just hope they do not make you a "terrorist".

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  59. RE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I run a home server (Linux) that stores all our important data. There is a nightly incremental sync Job that backs up the server to a 4TB USB drive. Every 60 days or so I rotate that drive into a strongbox. I'm always switching between the 2 drives. The backups are not encrypted but that's because I'm really trying to protect against fire, not theft.

  60. Pretty simply actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Encrypt the whole thing. Easily done whether you're on Linux, Windows, or even the red-headed Satan known as OSX.

    Thieves don't care about your data, it's as simple as that. They care about what they can get for the hardware. Which is a joke if you think about it. They would make more money working minimum wage or stealing copper from power companies. Computer hardware these days is absolutely worthless. I mean you can literally raid the dumpsters of corporate offices and get free computers that are better than I'm running right now.

    1. Re:Pretty simply actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red headed satan is called FreeBSD.

  61. this isn't rocket science by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    1. Power-on password that's reasonably (but not stupidly) strong.
    2. Full-disk encryption.
    3. External backups of critical data.
    4. Mitigate risk of theft happening in the first place.

    To be fair, I only do #1 and #4 currently. Though I'm supposed to be doing #2 as part of company policy.

  62. Crashplan by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    I used to roll my own remote cron backups but when Crashplan came along I stopped. The problem with all other backup services out there is that even if they let you store as much as you liked the problem is 1) restores are a hideous problem at network speeds . 2) how do you validate the backups 3) Dump level 0 initial backups take forever.

    Crash plan solves this. They let you use your own disks attached to a computer at your friends house. (presumably you return the favor). The initial backup is done locally attached to your computer, then you drive the disk over to your freinds house. Incremental backups are then done over the net. The disk is encrypted so your friend can't be tempted to take a peek or be liable if you happen to be storing illicit materials. And when the day comes for the complete restore, you drive over and get the disk.

    While you could in priniciple do this yourself there's a couple reasons it's better to use crashplan. First it overcomes the problem of how two dynamic IP computers, severla layers deep in a router stack on different networks always can find each other. Second, your friend is putting blind faith in some perl spagetti script you hacked together then gave root level privledges and network access on their computer. third the software gets updated without you having to sysadmin their computer or worry about what OS, and version, they are running on their machines.

    Finally it's cheap. You can of course pay more and use Crashplan's own server, but then you just get all the problems I outlined for no added benefit.

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  63. I know a bit on this subject. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I used to be the "crack" man for a couple of home burglars. IE, I used to unknowingly crack windows passwords, reinstall OS's, etc for some guys who would break into houses and steal shit. They told me that they'd buy the laptops for cheap at flea markets, and flip them. I of course didn't believe it, so I started recording serial numbers around the 3rd laptop. Funny enough, eventually I buddied up with them and one of them came clean with what they do and how they do it. (Wanting me to do more laptops at a bulk discount.) I agreed, did a few more for them, and then submitted all the serial numbers, text messages, and license plates to the police... In all I cracked/reinstalled around 20 computers, only a couple came back as hits as stolen by the police.

    After that, I had to get serious about defense. If those fuckers ever put two and two together, they'll know who busted them. On top of this, I have tens of thousands of easily steal-able computer stuff too.

    So here is what I learned working with professional thieves:
    1) They want to get in as quick and quite as possible.
    2) They want to get in when no one is home (9am-3pm)
    3) They want to be not visible from the road, but close to the main road. (So back side of apartment buildings.)
    4) They want to be in and out in 3-5minutes. Thus negating burglar alarms.
    5) They're looking for easy to steal stuff. Laptops,Guns, Money/IDs, Video Games, Video Game Consoles, TV's, PC's, anything else (in that order).
    6) They don't have a soul, they don't give a shit about you or your stuff.

    Here is how you prevent your PC from being stolen:
    1) Start with making your home difficult to break in:

    Most entries are through an exterior door, generally by kicking it in. Replace all striker plates with a 4 screw system that has at least 2 2-inch long screws. Replace or add a metal plate around the lock of the door. You can do both of these in an apartment, and turn 1 kick entry into a 10 kick, possible no entry.

    If you own the home your self, replace all exterior doors and door frames with steal frames. Metal doors and metal frames are extremely difficult to kick in.

    Next are the windows. Keep all windows locked on every floor! A thief can easily climb up to a second story window and open it. Next, make your windows break proof. Some fire paranoid people will say don't do this, but home thief is much more common than breaking a window and jumping out of it during a fire. There are several security films that you can apply to a window that can make it withstand repeated attempts to smash it in with a hammer. Please note, this is EVERY window. Don't think a thief will shimmy in a busted garage door glass... These people are scum of the earth.

    If you have a garage door, make sure the door opener opener is not using a common opening system. I don't know too much about garage security, so do some research.

    Buy a doorbell camera. Make sure they can see it. This also helps great with UPS.

    Finally, stick some home security stickers around your house. Make sure they're of real security companies. Even if you don't have service, a thief isn't going to pick your house if its difficult to get in, and the neighbor's is easier.

    2) Securing your PC.

    Once a thief is in your home, there isn't really much you can do. The main thing is, you have to make getting what they want so difficult that it'll take longer than 5 minutes. Easily frustrated, thieves are on a clock, and will just grab the easy to get stuff and run.

    IF you have a laptop, this means one of those security cables. Although a decent wire cutter (which some thieves will have with them) will slice through them with ease. So with that in mind, unless you keep your laptop in a anchored safe, it's gone. Get insurance. Ditto with video game consoles, video games, etc.

    The PC is a little different beast. Short of having a complete anchored rack cabinet with locks, there are two things you can do (one of which I currently do, the other I will pro

    1. Re:I know a bit on this subject. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I forgot to mention the second thing to do with PCs, that I currently don't do.

      Buy a cheap smart cellphone, with bare minimum service. Wire the usb charger to your computer. Mute the phone. And that's it! You have a cheap lo-jack system. It charges when the computer is on, it has 2 days battery life when the computer is off. Install a program that feeds you GPS coordinates if you send it a text. (There are a couple apps that do this.) Give that number/commands to the cops when you report your stuff stolen. $50/year security.

    2. Re:I know a bit on this subject. by Bentbob · · Score: 1

      An idea to add to your list: force them to really work for stealing any of your stuff by having all your doors be setup with a lock that cannot be unlocked from the inside without a key (maybe a vertical deadbolt lock as they are apparently resistant to "jimmying") as a secondary lock to use when no one is in the house. If they manage to break in without forcing the door in it will be harder to move stuff out of the house as they would need to climb out the broken or forced-open window with the pilfered goods (or chuck them out the window and climb out).

    3. Re:I know a bit on this subject. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How will the phone get a usable GPS signal inside a metal computer case?

  64. Full-disk encryption and do not use hibernate by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Do real, clean shutdowns every time. Yes, it is more effort, but you can either have security or convenience, not both. Apart from that, backups. You may want to put everything important in an SVN or GIT repository and sync whenever you are online.

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    1. Re:Full-disk encryption and do not use hibernate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not that I've tried, but I'd assume with hibernate you'd still need to enter the disk encryption key on startup. It's with standby mode, that you wouldn't. But in any case are thieves likely to be able to pull your encryption key from RAM, especially if there still a password lock they need to bypass?

  65. Sticker by lolococo · · Score: 1

    To prepare the theft of my PC, I just slap a "Steal Me" sticker on top. If I'm lucky, they'll think it's a trap and leave it alone.

  66. Go Ahead, Make My Day! by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    Do you feel lucky punk?

  67. Security and Backups by preystalker · · Score: 1

    I use a Dell laptop for work and I have enabled the hard disk password. I also ensure not to keep anything important on the laptop and use cloud storage. I am also exploring the option of using BitLocker to encrypt the drive. With the Dell hard disk password, the drive will not be mounted unless the correct password is entered. Resetting the password using Dell tools will result in drive getting wiped clean.

  68. Mutiple ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hide a small gps,4g tracker in my laptop case, it's powered by the laptop battery and it's own small backup battery. Encrypt and hide anything important (which is currently nothing)

  69. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't have anything to hide, so I don't.

    Do you?

  70. re: insurance and payouts by King_TJ · · Score: 2

    Actually, my experience has been that the VAST majority of the time a computer is stolen, it's a laptop that gets stolen while the owner is out and about someplace with it. Therefore, even if it's covered under the homeowners' policy, it's not going to make any sense to claim it. Even if it was a high-end system with costly accessories in the laptop bag -- it wouldn't be worth THAT much over any deductible. And homeowners' insurance tends to automatically drop you if you make 2 claims within something like a 5-10 year period of time. So you'd effectively be wasting your one claim that you'd want to use for a REAL issue (like a total loss due to fire).

    As a side note, on auto insurance? You're basically correct, except any time you're buying a brand new car, you should also be looking at buying Gap insurance that covers the difference between the car's supposed value and what you actually owe on the loan. The dealerships who hawk it at the time of the sale usually sell policies that cost 3x as much as what your own auto insurance agency would charge to add it to your existing policy, so it's worth making some calls about for quotes, at the very least.

  71. HDD Encryption + Automayic Remote (Online) Backup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just that.

  72. Preparing for theft of a PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use real bullets.

  73. I have no preparation plan by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    except cry when they take my PC away

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  74. True Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Friend of mine had his new desktop stolen from his home office. The thieves also took the DVDs (aka, his backups) that were piled neatly beside his computer. Oops.

    Please keep a copy of your back-ups off-site. Be it in the cloud or in a safe-deposit box or your brother-in-law's house (my option).

    And encrypt everything.

  75. Bitlocker drive encryption + Dropbox by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

    I use Bitlocker drive encryption and have my Documents/pictures/music etc on my dropbox. This arrangement prepares me for lost/stolen computers as well as (far more common) hardware failures. It also gives me near-real-time sync to my other PCs as well.

    There are some nice bonuses to this arrangement.

    I (via my unlimited data) sync my photos to my PCs with dropbox automagically in near real-time.

    I can pull up password safe on my Android Phone from my dropbox-made-available-offline psafe3 file.

  76. lock, key, and neighbours by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    Safe neighbourhoods count for a lot. No one's breaking into my house.

  77. prevent the theft in the first place? by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1

    I'd prefer to simply stay up all night, lying in wait and stroking my gun. But my government won't let me have one. Something about being a danger to myself or others.

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  78. By owning an eight year old computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's old, heavy, and not worth very much, so there's really no point in stealing it. My laptop is a lot easier to steal, but I got that for $60 so it's still a crap deal for the thief.

  79. All of my computers are at least 9 years old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Average of cost at purchase secondhand $31.11 per computer. In My neighborhood people are vigilant and computers are not the normal thing stolen. If there is something on my computer its likely something I could download again.

  80. Encrypted FS, NextCloud and DOGS by Frivas · · Score: 1

    I have my entire setup on Linux, with encrypted filesystems. My daily use notebook is a Dell XPS13, with BIOS password, then harddrive password, and last encrypted password of the linux partition. All the three passwords are different, of course.
    All the important files/documents are automatically backed up in Amazon AWS, in one of my servers running NextCloud, with encrypted FS. So, if I lost a PC, I can recover all the important things easily. Never had any problems at all with it. All the emails are on Google, so I don't need to backup them every day.
    And, at home, I've got eight dogs, all of them rescued from the streets. At night, they sleep inside the house, so if any burglar tries to get into, he'll probably get out in a trash bag, as feces. Of course, you can see the dog's houses from the street, so you'll be pretty sure that there are more than one. By the way, the poodle is the "alarm" of the house. She wakes up with the sound of a flea!!! (and the Pitbull one is a tank.... you don't want to mess with him!).

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  81. They'll be sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Beartraps, lots of beartraps.

  82. 100lb German Shepherd by bongey · · Score: 1

    Go ahead and try.

  83. I live in Canada by Mishotaki · · Score: 1

    I don't need a gun to defend myself, I don't lock my door because I trust people.

  84. LVM Snapshots backup to 2nd disk by Mybrid · · Score: 1
    Hi!
    1. 2 disks, one OS disk of 500GB, one backup drive of 1TB
    2. 20% physical reserve using LVM on on OS disk.
    3. Nightly snapshot backups, hot backups, to 1TB drive.
    4. Weekly external 3TB drive backup.
    5. Fully encrypted drives using I7 processor with built in encryption in the CPU for speed.
    6. Multiple VM images are backed up.

    I've had harddrive failure multiple times and I just restore from the external hard drive. I keep weekly/monthly on the 1TB so as to recover human error deletion on the OS disk. The real deal is I know it works because I've done the restore multiple times, including buying a new laptop.

    The I7 Intel chip with onboard Linux encryption instructions makes the encryption fast enough to run multiple VMs with only a little lag, mostly starting a VM.

    Cheers!

  85. You just have to deal with it by Vince+Ferg · · Score: 1

    All my home PC's are encrypted with Bitlocker, main drives and additional. I backup all files between my PC and my Synology NAS which is also encrypted. This NAS is synced up 1 on site and 1 offsite. I am not concerned about auto-wipe since its encrypted anyway and I highly doubt anyone stealing my stuff would do anything outside formatting the stuff after not being able to get in. I am also not concerned about computer settings since most of that gets restored through my Microsoft account and anything else that doesn't is not to hard to setup. Insurance I never even thought of but I am very against "insurance" since I hate dealing with any service that takes your money and gives you a hard time when you need them. Ide rather throw a few bucks into an emergency fund every week and just take from that. All in all if you get your stuff taken from you there is no easy fast solution and sadly its just one of those things you have to deal with. Having encrypted devices to protect your data and at least 1 offsite backup of your stuff should really be all anyone needs to know your secure and safe.

  86. Disk Images & Virtual Disks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Besides backing up my encrypted important data periodicly to an external hard drive , I use clonezilla to make an disc image after customizing my setup. If you need to get up and running faster than it takes to install an image on a new computer, buy another computer now and back up your data to it. Another option is to do all you business computing in a virtual machine on a encrypted virtual disk, and personal stuff on another. The backup virtual disks can quickly be installed on another computer and you are up and running.

  87. With physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My PC weight over 35 Kg in a steel case that is bolted to the ground with 4 bolts of half cm diameter each. It can be destroyed, or ripped open for the pieces.. but it is much more likely that the thief will look for something easier to steal.

  88. Panic by NoSalt · · Score: 1

    I like to keep things simple.

  89. Confirmed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My good friend lives in the Swiss mountains, and she was recently burgled whilst out at the supermarket.
    They left her iPhone and iPad, ransacked the place looking for jewellery and cash. No assets removed at all.
    Thieves now know they can't resell any of that technology, even carrying it away with them exposes them to tracking, and powering it on is just giving the authorities a perfect target. That's if they manage to get past the password stage. Otherwise it's just a door stop or book end.

    They even left her "stash" of nominally illegal smoking material, the box open on the living room table.
    They can't take that, because IF they happen to get caught with it, the penalties are higher than for burglary.

    You're better off to leave an envelope by the front door, addressed to "THE THIEF" with 200 bucks cash in it.
    A little message on the back telling them that all assets are tracked, and that the 200 is the best they can possibly get away with, so just take it fast, and get the hell out of here before my IoT remote monitoring kicks in when you enter the bedrooms and living room looking for more.

    A stupid thief will stay, a smart one will run for the hills with the 200.
    Trust me on this: the number of smart thieves VASTLY outnumbers the idiots.

  90. My PC is insured by DiEx-15 · · Score: 1

    I have a great insurance company that insures my PC and all my stuff in my home.

    It's called Smith and Wesson.