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Young Men Are Working Less. Some Economists Think It's Because They're Home Playing Video Games. (nytimes.com)
Video games are instrumental in understanding why younger men are working fewer hours, according to a paper published Monday by the National Bureau of Economic Research. From an article: By 2015, American men 31 to 55 were working about 163 fewer hours a year than that same age group did in 2000. Men 21 to 30 were working 203 fewer hours a year. One puzzle is why the working hours for young men fell so much more than those of their older counterparts. The gap between the two groups grew by about 40 hours a year, or a full workweek on average. Other experts have pointed to a host of reasons -- globalization, technological change, the shift to service work -- that employers may not be hiring young men. Instead of looking at why employers don't want young men, this group of economists considered a different question: Why don't young men want to work? Economists Erik Hurst and his colleagues estimate that, since 2004, video games have been responsible for reducing the amount of work that young men do by 15 to 30 hours over the course of a year (syndicated source). Using the recession as a natural experiment, the authors studied how people who suddenly found themselves with extra time spent their leisure hours, then estimated how increases in video game time affected work. Between 2004 and 2015, young men's leisure time grew by 2.3 hours a week. A majority of that increase -- 60 percent -- was spent playing video games, according to government time use surveys. In contrast, young women's leisure time grew by 1.4 hours a week. A negligible amount of that extra time was spent on video games. Likewise for older men and older women: Neither group reported having spent any meaningful extra free time playing video games.
It couldn't be that it's harder to find full-time jobs or that the full-time jobs keep having fewer and fewer hours (36.5 hours was the average full-time job last I saw.)
But no, we're all at home playing video games. I wish I had gotten that memo!
Why don't young men want to work?
They've made a BIG assumption there. They skipped the important bit about why they aren't hiring and jumped straight to "let's blame them with what they are spending their time on," which is a really shitty thing to do.
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While the article specifically suggests video games, I'd suggest it's a broader dimension of work-life balance. I think there's been a culture shift that killing yourself for your job isn't worth it, particularly when employers are showing less and less loyalty to their employees than in previous generations. Couple that with the idea that people just can't get ahead, be it because of debt from education, etc, and who's going to bust their hump like Grandpa did for 30 years? When the option to work less, enjoy more leisure time, and defer the costs of living to your credit cards is so appealing, is it any wonder that a trend of working less is emerging? Video games just happen to be the entertainment channel of choice.
to sit at home and play video games!
Hey man, nobody ever went broke underestimating how lazy people are.
Could it be that "young" men just saw the prior generation(s) go through massive lay off's, lost their houses, their life savings and decided, "screw this, if the reward can be taken away like that, why the F should I work so hard?"
Really IMHO American corporations have themselves to blame for this. They have done a very good job of removing any kind of job security, chased profits for the sake of chasing profits, off-shored, out-sourced, missed en masse why claiming it was "necessary". Yeah I get it.
Oh my god! No, people are not working because there aren't enough jobs available to them and that is happening because there are no savings in the system, the savings are systematically destroyed by the collectivist activity, by government, by taxation, by regulations, by inflation (money printing, interest rate manipulation by the central banks for the purposes of supporting the power of government).
There is no manufacturing sector, the other sectors are automating and laying off and offshoring, etc., and there are oinly so many lobbyist positions available (and those young people are not fit to be in them anyway).
It's the economy, stupid, it's not the videogames.
You can't handle the truth.
They listened to the greybeards talking about the 50-60 hours weeks they worked when they were young, and now see how the greybeards get kicked to the curb. They smartened up, they know there's no real reward for busting your ass for a company.
They look into the past and see the amount of time people worked.- Back when working a lot afforded you a house, a car, and you could support your family on single income.
Now you work for a fraction of the price, barely make ends meet, while putting in a shit ton of hours.
You can't afford a vacation, you have to rent places that can be questionable, your vehicle is falling the fuck apart.
You can mostly work and give that money to someone else just for the option to live under a shelter, have food and water, clothes, and transportation to work.
Who the fuck wants to work for that reason? Like fuck off.
Is this really a problem? Adjusting for inflation, every job out there pays at least 10% less than it did 10 years ago, while cost of living expenses have spiked disproportionately.
In the face of that shit show, why should anyone feel obliged to work extra when they could be spending that time on leisure, and enjoying themselves.
But the main reason men don't want to work is that society is rigged to take advantage of men who work and offer them little in return. Taxes go for services that working men don't use. Women don't appreciate work. Peers don't appreciate work. Elders (for lack of a better term) don't offer much in the way of appreciation or opportunity. The tax man takes away most of your chance to save and get ahead. What's left?
They'd play less video games!
The unemployment rates for 20-25 year olds is twice that of the other age groups. Males being the worst off group.
Source:
https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit...
But if we accept the authors’ claim that some segment of men is dropping out of the labor force to play games, is that necessarily a bad thing?
Yeah, how does one do that? Very permissive parents? "OK son! Sure, you can just live in the basement and play video games all you want."
According to Mr. Hurst, young men may simply be shuffling around the years in their life that they want to work. “Why not have a little fun in your 20s and work in your 80s?” he said.
If that's true what makes them think that they can even be hired or even able to work? You may be in a wheelchair drooling on yourself and shitting in your pants while watching cartoons or Matlock marathons.
Fewer young men are becoming fathers and being forced into the workforce at an early age, due to improved birth control and information.
'Playing video games' - is that whey they call it these days?
I'm sure video games are a part of it, but I've had younger colleagues who seem to feel no shame (or concern for their mental health) when they admit to spending an hour or more a day watching porn. Yikes.
people are not working due to many factors the current state of the workforce simply not hiring or paying way to little and demanding you work like a slave. people are growing tired of it and simply cutting the crap out of there lives so they can work less and enjoy life..its a proven fact if employers started paying decent wages there employers would be insanely loyal and do there jobs well but they dont give a shit about that only how to dubble there profits every year then cry people hate there jobs and work as little as they can.playing games is not a factor hear its just something they can try and pass the blame on.
Bah. Per the various MRA sites and books, it's that the requirement that men work in order to support women and a family is falling away. If I don't have to get married to get sex, if women are in the workplace so I don't have to support them, if women don't want kids any more than I do, then hell yea, I'm home playing video games and hooking up to any of several available women when sex is desired.
There is no real reward for playing video games either. The only reason to bust your ass for a reward is to start something on your own. It's high-risk, but that shouldn't stop anyone. Or did these really sharp young folks realize that there is no real reward for exchanging their time for money for someone else's company, then decide to pay good real money money to farm virtual gold on WoW?
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It's not so much "we're at home playing video games!"
But more like companies who have started reducing the work week from 40 hours to 35~38 hours a week. By cutting that extra hour or two each week, they figure they can save a lot of money in the long run.
Heck, many companies, especially in retail, mainly only hire part timers at 20 to 25 hours a week, because they don't want to provide them with health care or other benefits.
So before blaming the workers, look the other side for a change.
When you realize what the system really is, a slave plantation, coupled with increased Misandry from women, you just quit trying so hard. What's the point? See this www.youtube.com/watch?v=HscBrwglC_U (ignore the style but listen to the message) and learn something. A true revelation to all beta males.
More info:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DyPLVr8OsvTtShvPEEk4w
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs-brcHDxKqrOGU9cEWuCMQ
https://www.youtube.com/user/SandmanMGTOW
Yet another crime to lay at the feet of the evils of SEX EDUCATION!
Designed to generate click revenue. "Some economists" -- weasel words!
why come it takes me over 30 minutes to scrounge together a lobby in DOOM during normal working hours?
or a nice hose and car (or a boat). So why work more than you need to get the stuff you must have?
Yeah, let blame video games rather than a decade of economic stagnation that has left a generation that feel they can't even aspire to the things their parents took for granted would be attainable.
,,,discriminates against them....the white males know that the establishment has made them second class citizens under the law...so they are withdrawing from the economy as much as possible...
We see a lot of these articles lately.
The most discouraging part is that the majority of the pieces aren't worrying about the lack of upward mobility, stagnant and negative wage growth, increase in male suicide and mental issues, lack of roles in current society for 50% or so of guys, etc.
No. The true calamity is, instead, the dearth of marriageable men for the many educated and 30+ women who now cannot find a good man to marry. Of course, what this really means is that women, now making just as much as men (if not more when single) refuse to marry men with lower incomes and / or educations than themselves.
As for myself in my late 30's, I don't have a problem with finding a good and somewhat stable job and income. My problem is that, after seeing numerous older relatives and now friends torn apart by the family court system during a divorce, I have little interest in marrying a 35-40 year old women who just realized, 15 or so years of having fun and finding herself, that she does, in fact, want the kids and family package she was promised. Unfortunately, most of these women are only looking for a guy with enough cash to pay for it all - something increasingly overpriced (houses, weddings, diamonds, kids) in most areas of the US these days.
So it turns out, I don't really need to spend very much money as a single guy. Without the kids and mortgage and all the rest, it turns out most guys don't really need much money (women spend approximately 80% of discretionary income - that's why advertisements are targeted to them and not single guys). So no need to continue slaving away at the office for the promise of mgmt. or any piece of the profits - the Boomers are still sucking off all the meat, and will be 'till they're last breath. And for me, that means when I'm in my 50s or so, and won't care anyway.
The people like these researchers see young men not as people, but merely as tools that exist to serve their ends.
Thus the researchers see any time young men spend on things that interest them rather than "being productive" as time being "stolen" from the society that owns them.
aren't going to catch themselves!
I don't think it's that fewer young men are failing to become fathers, it's that fewer young men are failing to become married. There are a lot of single mothers that simply decide to live off the "generosity" of the government instead of marrying the fathers of their children. Without the incentive to provide for a family young men will choose to continue living the life much like they did in their teens. An extended adolescence if you will.
Also, women have been getting encouragement to join the workforce instead of raising their children. A young married couple where both work will drop the kids off at a day care and then both take off at the same time to pick up the kids and be home for supper. In a household where only the husband works the mother will care for the children and household, which means the husband is motivated to work harder and does not see the same pressure to leave work. There is still the desire to be home for supper, which is flexible, but not when the daycare closes, which is not.
I know couples with multiple children and both work. Both will have to leave work so that one can get the older kid(s) from school while the other gets the younger one(s) from daycare. If there are three children then this can go on for some time.
Certainly the improvements in birth control has delayed the need for men to provide for a family but I believe there is more to it than that.
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Most of the comments are going to be about the lack of jobs, roles, and status most young men in America are now seeing. And this is probably the majority of the reason for men checking out.
But as a single guy is his prime (mid 30s) who is able to find well paying jobs and earn a good living, I'll tell you why I'm finding less and less reason to give a shit about my career, money, and status anymore. 2 Reasons:
1. It's apparent that no matter how hard I work and how well I perform, I'm never going to get a decent mgmt position (i.e. share in the profits) of any company because there are way too many older Boomers who are not letting go. Some of them still need the money, others don't, but just aren't ready to retire. Regardless of the reason, I'm stuck in the middle. And if and when my time comes for a senior role, I'll be in my 50's and will care even less than I do now.
2. Marriage and kids are too risky. Besides the absurd cost of houses and children, lack of job stability, and all the rest, I've seen too many male friends and family be destroyed by divorce: Losing their kids, their savings, and freedom for a decade or two (child support and alimony). Half my friends who are still married don't look like they're enjoying it either (though they all love their kids).
Without a mortgage, kids, wedding costs, wife who has a spending addiction, etc - turns out a guy like me doesn't need much money to be content. And since I no longer expect anything for my work, I've decided to not give much, either. Fuck it.
Another reason. A lot of the work I do is bullshit. Fixing things that should have been done properly the first time or doing things which don't need to be completed. There's so much rework due to horrible design, both in the code and in the team. And then they put the people who know all the details of the system onto new projects and drop all the convoluted bugs onto new guys with no training and somehow expect the overall system to improve. The old guys never improve as they never have to deal with the crap they originally designed and the new guys get completely lost and burn out.
Recently senior management has demanded metrics. No explained reason, no clarification, no understanding on what type or how they're going to use them. They just want "metrics". Can we please make sales jobs illegal?
but I work at a tech startup, so there's rarely much to do. Just sit back and collect fat paychecks.
I also make six figures and save/invest my money.
I will say MMORPG's need to be their own separate study though. They are truly a huge amount of investment, I could not juggle my job and social life with one of those games.
I'm playing video games (and doing lots of other things in my spare time) because I'm not stupid enough to waste away my life working, not the other way around.
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Case in point: me. I have a job but the calling of video games is strong. I'm pretty sure I will quit my job in the coming weeks just so I can play games all day. I'm thinking of it as an extended vacation.
Young Men Are Working Less.
I blame Obama!
I wonder if lower marriage rates has anything to do with this. Not being married, having a kid, etc. means less pressure to work and earn as much money as you can. And if people aren't getting married, then there's a chance that this would affect the mood of these men and they would need a vice to fill the void. Video games are easy to access, don't really have any downsides and are completely legal. (I'd wonder if this was just because of the relationship landscape overall, but I don't know if people coupling up is less than it used to be.) The fact that more women than ever are probably working also means there might be less pressure on men to work themselves to death. Two pay checks and gender equality means less necessity for men to be the breadwinner. That said, I'd also put my money on video games being the drug of choice for men to spend their spare time with as opposed to men finding ways to increase their spare time to facilitate their gaming habits. (Not that I wouldn't take a day off from work for a new game now and then.)
Circumcision is Big Business here, little man; prepare to sacrifice a chunk of your sexual organ for the financial good of others...
If we listen to economists and they come up with stuff this stupid, no wonder the economy is in the crapper!
You have to be dumber than a sack of hammers, or explicitly trolling to put forth an idea as ridiculous as this.
Heck I'm not even one of the offended class here, I'm over 60 and can smell BS when it's this thick.
No jobs, no education, middle class forced into all the entry level retail jobs, what does any one expect?
They're wrong. It's because of easy access to p0rn websites.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have "work" to do.
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Men who have no skills have all day to knock chicks up are the ones having kids. Whey do you think there are so many single mothers? They are not waiting to get married and have kids like they were years ago, men have wised up. The men who choose to have careers and jobs end up either not having kids, raising a bastard child, or marrying someone younger and having children with her. They are not going to work extra hard just to get taken advantage of women have equal opportunities to support the family too. The options for the partner of the equal status of the American man are gone now. Due to welfare and other items, it actually makes it cost prohibitive for educated men to want to get married and have their own kids. That's some messed up stuff and this is why dudes are playing video games more and leaving women alone and avoiding jobs that don't pay them enough to do better. We need to remove the social norm of the woman having custody, and we also need to remove alimony as a whole. I was really hoping for gay rights for marriage because that also means gay divorces. I know that's one group who would see the bull that alimony and child support is. If the chick spread them to get the kid and then won't let a father who has the means and wants to take care of those children have custody, she can figure it out and work. Men just get taken advantage of when we succeed now. The courts are messed up. The worst person to be in the US right now is a white educated male with a steady job. You're not going to get laid by who you want because you're at work, you're a target for some chick who is looking to gain off you, and everyone is out to claim their card against you because you didn't play a poor me argument in the beginning. So why are these guys going to work hard? There is nothing to motivate them to do more. Women also push little boys down all the time by constantly calling their dad's POS' and stuff, and saying men are the scum. If a dude said that shit though, holy hell would there be a sexual harassment lawsuit happening soon. The double standard is killing men and we're checking out.
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There are a lot of single mothers that simply decide to live off the "generosity" of the government instead of marrying the fathers of their children.
Well, what do you define as "a lot"? Also, what defines "generosity" in your lexicon?
Google tossed up this article, which seems fairly well footnoted: singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics
It claims that roughly 45% of all single mothers will get food stamps in the USA (referenced from an institute study), and that 10% of all single mothers receive TANF. These mothers represent more than 90% of all TANF families. (This last claim involving TANF isn't footnoted however, so you'd have to do more googling)
Also children born to young unmarried mothers are most likely to grow up in a single-parent household. More than two thirds end up on welfare (I am assuming they mean the children).
What's notable about the article is that there is a claim that the majority of single mothers in the United States are separated, divorced or widowed; and they work more hours and yet have higher poverty rates than single mothers in other high-income countries. About 40% of U.S. single parents were employed in low-wage jobs.
It's interesting that just a few hours ago, we had an article asking whether or not it was worth it to put in long hours at a job. I'm sure the video game thing was meant to increase the article's clickbait factor, but there might be something to this.
Back a long time ago from when I started working (so, maybe peaking around the 60s) getting a job with a large US company was about the closest you could come to lifetime employment without earning tenure. I know lots of people from that era who worked from high school to retirement for large manufacturers, AT&T, IBM, etc. There was a degree of loyalty on both sides, employer and employee, that's missing in the modern workforce. Companies hung onto people as long as they could, and barring some major disaster, you could pretty much count on having a job. There was a clear career path internally, such that you always had an income that kept up with your experience. In return, people were expected to give a little more of themselves. I distinctly recall many families being relocated (at company expense) frequently to work on new projects or land promotions. That must have been hard, but it was the price one paid for the employer's loyalty to the employee.
Am I advocating lifetime employment, no layoff rules/policies and more loyalty on both sides of the fence? Yes, I suppose I am. You don't see companies giving a second thought to sending entire technical departments to India to save 25% in absolute labor costs. And for all but the rockstars, you never see companies paying people to move and take on new jobs. I'm well aware that some people are making out quite well in this new system. But, not enough people are benefiting from what should be a broad period of economic recovery. Companies _can_ afford to offer people stability and security; they just choose not to.
If I were a recent grad facing 40+ years of the current situation work/life wise, and saw many examples of people being kicked to the curb years short of retirement, then I might not want to bust my ass so hard.
There are a lot of single mothers
Less now than in the past.
that simply decide to live off the "generosity" of the government
Our state will hunt you down. If you are a baby daddy and mom decides to live off the dole, they will find you. And you will pay.
Have gnu, will travel.
Why are young men working less? Could it be the languishing great recession recovery for the lower class? Reduced hours due to employer health care costs, outsourcing, or automation? Those troubling answers could contradict the narrative of current economic policies so of course video games must be the culprit!
Economists are experts on supply and demand and thus supply findings that benefit the employers of economists. Any economists not contributing to the direct benefit of the institution that employs them would eventually be eliminated due to the same market forces they study.
Employers of economists include finance and consulting businesses, governments, think tanks, and universities. What do all of these institutions have in common? Empowering and enriching corporations of course.
In my opinion most economists are charlatans practicing a form of social studies pseudoscience.
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Fucking rubbish article. I've read more interesting phone directories. Hate to use *that* phrase, but I'm not seeing anything close to actual causality here.
Is this their logic?
1) younger men are working fewer hours
2) the drop in young men's hours is more than in old gimmers
3) young men play more videogames than old gimmers
4) Therefore, videogames are causing the drop in hours
I can't see why it isn't equally likely that when you've fuck all to do and no money to spend[1] because you've been made redundant or had your hours cut you play more videogames.
[1] If you already bought the game & hardware it's a sunk cost.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
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Why do we work? Money.
Why do we need money?
To live. To impress women and get laid.
The same women who could pass for a hooker on various mobile apps.... do you really want one? really?
Because living gets real cheap if you drop the need for sex and trying to impress women.
Men are working fewer hours, because they don't have to support families anymore. Not because video games are so compelling, but because of scarcity of maritable women and the engineered decline of family values.
No man in his right mind is going to marry the modern feminist "strong" woman act. To the point that feminists are beginning rage over the fact that men deny them. Google for the MGTOW movement ("Men Going Their Own Way), listen to what feminists have to say about it. Enjoy that TED talk with the pudgy fat lady over 30 who complains men are not interested in her even though she has academic degrees. This is the one reason men are not spending so much time at work anymore. The necessity to buy diamonds and designer textiles has passed. A man needs a lot less in terms of cost than a female to be happy.
You deserve this, crippled and hobbled child of the West.
freaking men and their "trying to enjoy their lives"
Selfish assholes.
No, it's not because the economy is contracting, more women are entering the workforce, or businesses are reducing work-hours: It's because young men decided to sit on their arses.
Well, what do you define as "a lot"? Also, what defines "generosity" in your lexicon?
Over 9 million single mothers sounds like "a lot" to me. This "generosity" comes in the forms of food stamps, welfare payments, and more. If there was not this "safety net" such women would be compelled to marry the father of their children, find a suitable husband, or learn to keep their pants on. I could not find the number of single mothers with more than one child but if the number of single mothers is 9 million and the number of children in a single parent household numbers around 15 million then there must be a lot of single mothers that failed to learn their lesson with the first child. And they all can't be twins and triplets.
What's notable about the article is that there is a claim that the majority of single mothers in the United States are separated, divorced or widowed
Being unmarried means choosing to not stay with the father. Being separated or divorced also means a choice. The only mothers that could not have chosen to be single parents were the widows. Even then they have a choice to re-marry, but I will concede that such women will have difficulty in finding men willing to raise another man's child. I'm sure that some of the mothers chose to leave the father because of things like abusive behavior or other reasons for their safety and the safety of the child. This might be a necessity and it can also mean they made a poor choice on who to fuck.
Half of children in the USA today are in "broken" homes, that is where the parents were unmarried, separated/divorced, or re-married another spouse. Such children tend to have behavior problems in the future, such as not marrying and staying married to the person they have children with. I put a large part of this on the government enabling such behavior.
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The Misandry Bubble
Long article, but well worth the read. On this topic, from the section "The Four Horsemen of Male Emancipation", the fourth is "Male Economic Disengagement and Resultant Tax-Base Erosion".
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All these problems are solved by legal 75th trimester abortions.
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I put it down to most companies increasingly blatant exploitation of their employees leading to said employees being less inclined to work long extra hours on demand for nothing in return, not even any credible guarantees of continued employment..
Nobody on their deathbed has regrets about not working hard enough. The most common regret is "I didn't spend enough time with my family."
The plutocracy has gutted our civilization and there is nothing apparent worth working for in line with our historical values.
Rest assured though, they will find something to work for soon, and when they do, the plutocrats are going to burning at the stake.
Men have more free time, video games are a relatively new form of entertainment so of course you can say this extra free time is spent playing video games.
But you could say that same thing of any new thing, like watching YouTube videos. Even household chores probably count since it is becoming less common for women to do everything.
Just pick the thing you want to push your agenda.
So they made an assumption and seemingly tested exclusively against the assumption, attempting to prove it right. Not science.
Allow me to posit an alternative hypothesis ( which is all they really have ); young men are avoiding marriage until later in life and in some case swearing it off entirely. It's well known that marriage, and the inevitable spawn that comes with it, are a major pressure on men to produce; perhaps the toxic mating culture in today's western society is poisoning the well against that well known mechanism. Young men have seen what divorce puts men through and have wisely decided to "Nope" the fuck out of that equation.
That's my hypothesis anyway.
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We are working less because we keep having to point out in such stories that correlation does not equal causation.
That's why,
All economists are just clowns that try to convince influent people that they know a thing about real life, there they are with their eternal growth fairy tail.
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And some years ago people were blaming alcohol, drugs, television, movies, theater, dancing or anything popular.
and I can't say I disagree with the assumptions. What I wonder is where are the conservative, right wing /.tters to defend it? Do they just avoid articles like this one?
/. is so united on this front.
Maybe it's a defensive posture to an attack on our favorite hobby. But I'm used to a few of the libertarian types to offer up something besides "of course they don't want to work, not enough reward". Of course, that's perfectly compatible with their ideals but it doesn't address the elephant in the room, which is young men not working enough to have families. For one thing our economy needs them to grow and take care of the old (or we need to bring immigrants over, e.g. H1-Bs) and for another most folks _want_ to start a family. Maybe us nerds can't because, well, we're nerds, but that doesn't preclude us from wanting too.
Like I said, it's odd that
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I guess I'm still considered a young man. I used to play video games in my spare time. Now I have a baby and have no spare time.
Sees an increase in net productivity and thinks "Gosh, those men could be using that spare time to do more [menial] work [that benefits people up the power structure more than it benefits themselves]!"
I am conservative. You won't find many conservatives supporting studies like this because of the blatant disregard for logic, stats, etc. Political affiliation has nothing to do with despising biased, bullshit studies.
"Like I said, it's odd that /. is so united on this front." United in what? The shared contempt for propaganda?
Our state will hunt you down. If you are a baby daddy and mom decides to live off the dole, they will find you. And you will pay.
This insane attitude is precisely a BIG reason more and more of these young men just opt out of having relationships and/or families altogether. They know the socjus whiteknights (and/or tradcon wannabes) like yourself are drooling at the opportunity to wave those righteous fingers before throwing them in debtor's prison where, ironically, they can't do shit about making money for anyone. Of course, the obviousness of the latter escapes the irrationality of those who imposed such laws in the first place.
My country is meant to chase you down too, but it just leaves a (growing?) group of people that work minimum hours/wages and/or cash-in-hand. Working more than "$x" generally means paying the normal taxes and child support, so the "reward" for working harder/longer is just not attractive to these people.
And that is assuming they are not also on government handouts.
And that is all before you add in if the daddy likes the mom/child enough to try and find that extra work or dislikes them enough to do the opposite and find a easier/lower paying/shorter shift job.
While getting people to pay for the situation they created for themselves is something I agree on, grinding those same people into the dirt (for life) to prove a point is just wrong.
Since at least WWII and the rise of "teenagers" there have been an ever increasing number of ways for people to "waste time", and there tends to be more opportunity for younger people to engage in these activities. To claim that video games are somehow different is ludicrous.
This is an example of trolling by academics. They want to pretend that they are relevant so they pick something that they perceive as topical so it will get noticed. If they had said "streaming" instead of "gaming" they would have gotten less attention. Since nobody but other academics, and a few government types pays any attention, the only way they get any press is coming up with crap like this.
Nothing to see here. Move along. (Only this time there is really nothing going on...)
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I've been reading /. for years and this is one of the most stupid and biased articles I hace seen posted here.
First of all, because of the implicit negative connotations on videogames: from that range of people aged 30-65 which dont 'waste' any time on vÃdeo games, how much time do they 'waste' watching Sports?
Second, I work 43h a week. If I could manage to get a job working 35h a week and could use 2h of those spare 8h to play videogames, would you call that 'not wanting to work?'. So, if I currently work 43h one could study why "I dont want to work" for 50h a week.
This is discriminatory (but since young men are not a minority nobody gives a fâoe"ck) and sexist.
But you know what, women and elder men? If we can manage to work less and get more spare leisure time to spend at home or with family/friends, we will. And if we want to keep playing videogames, we will too. Even if that displeases you.
I spend a lot less time playing console games in front of the tv, I still do play portable games though or ps4 through my vita when I am in bed before I go to sleep - I work less hours than I did a couple of years ago though now because I have a job that requires 7.5 and not 8 hours a day.
"15 to 30 hours a YEAR." For a standard work year of 2000 hours, 15 hours is a 0.75% reduction. Older men spend that much extra time just peeing. I know; I'm older. That's 3.6 minutes a day average for an 8-hour day. Enough time to piss once, maybe twice.
My experience with computer games dates back to VT100's playing multi user Star Trek with ASCII graphics. What I've observed is that 21st century kids, esp. boys, are totally OCD about video games. They'd actually rather play some FPS with zombies than chase luscious young pussy.
So why are we surprised that twenty something men would rather play video games than pursue any productive activity? Fuckin' crazy....
And do NOT bother telling me I sound like some religious right wingnut ragging on video games. I've done more dope than you can imagine and I knows addiction when I sees it.
Only baizou use the phrase 'uppity women'. At all, ever.
So young men gained 2.3 hours a week in leisure time, and filled it with video games... What did young women fill it with?
Sleeping eating and personal care, is the category that is leveraged for the largest bump for women...
So are we blaming sleep for women working less? Click bait headline we'll never see "Women so lazy they are sleeping their jobs away!"
Or are women exercising and calling it "personal care" and we are blaming that? Click bait headline we'll never see "Women are so addicted to exercise they aren't working!"
Let's start by blaming, young men.
As a White Male Millennial I'm a little tired of getting blamed for everything, I'm killing Buffalo wild wings, causing potholes, electing politicians.
Screw it if I wield so much power that I can destroy industries and cause the downfall of civilization, then it's on, civilization you are going to be destroyed, not because I'm lazy or unmotivated, but because you pushed me to far, and now I'm going to exact my revenge! (and it doesn't hurt that I can destroy civilization from my basement by playing video games and not having kids... that's so much easier than the alternatives.)
Of course they are working less. They are fewer opportunities for males to participate in higher education and there are only so many burger flipping jobs available.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
At one point last year my hours at work were cut to 5 hours a day, since then they have only been brought up to 7 hours a day. This wasn't my choice, it was the company trying to make their balance sheet look better for the stockholders. I would gladly work 10 hours a day if the company would let me. I've been trying to find a 2nd job to do one weekends but all the fast food/retail jobs have a backlog of illegal immigrants looking for work.