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Enthusiast Resurrects IBM's Legendary 'Model F' Keyboard (popularmechanics.com)

An anonymous reader quotes Popular Mechanics: You may not know the Model F by name, but you know it by sound -- the musical thwacking of flippers slapping away. The sound of the '80s office. The IBM Model F greeting the world in 1981 with a good ten pounds of die-cast zinc and keys that crash down on buckling metal springs as they descend. It's a sensation today's clickiest keyboards chase, but will never catch. And now it's coming back. The second coming of the high-quality Model F (not to be confused with its more affordable plastic successor, the Model M) isn't a throwback attention grab from IBM, nor a nostalgia play from Big Keyboard. Instead, it's the longtime work of a historian in love with the retro keyboard's unparalleled sound and feel, but frustrated by the limitations of actual decades-old tech.

The Model F Keyboards project, now taking preorders for the new line of authentic retro-boards, was started by Joe Strandberg, a Cornell University grad who's taken up keyboard wizardry as a nights-and-weekends hobby. He started as a collector and restorer of genuine Model F keyboards -- originally produced from 1981 to 1994 -- a process that familiarized him with their virtues and their flaws... Working with a factory in China, Strandberg has carefully overseen the reproduction process one step at time, from the springs to the unique powder-coating on the keyboard's zinc case. Despite the expense (Strandberg estimates spending $100,000 to revive the tooling necessary for the production run), it was the only viable option given the kind of abuse your average keyboard takes on a daily basis. "With 3D printing," he says, "the keyboard wouldn't last a year."

The first prototypes have just left the assembly line, and he's already racked up over a quarter of a million dollars in pre-orders. Does anyone else fondly remember IBM's hefty and trusty old keyboards?

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  1. Re:Not this again. by nuckfuts · · Score: 2

    Plenty of cherry buckling spring keyboards available at a reasonable price.

    Ya, I'm typing on one now, but it ain't made with "a good 10 pound of die-cast zinc".

  2. XT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does it come with an authentic XT connector so I have to use XT>PS/2>USB so I can use it with my modern computer?

    1. Re:XT? by Bigbutt · · Score: 2

      My Model M has a 9 pin din with a connector to PS/2. Fortunately even the motherboard I bought last year still has PS/2 connectors or I'd have to add a PS/2 to USB and a scaffolding to keep things in place :) .

      [John]

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  3. Selectric by turkeydance · · Score: 3, Insightful

    long live Selectric!

  4. Ever taken one apart? by mschuyler · · Score: 3, Funny

    I figured I would do that to "clean" it. About 500 parts sprung out. I never got it back together again.

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  5. How is this better than a Model M? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unicomp has been making brand new Model Ms for years, using the same tooling that was originally used by IBM to make them.

    What makes the Model F better, other than the historical angle? And if it's just the historical reasons, why bother with a $300 remake instead of the real thing, when you can just buy a new Model M from Unicomp for a lot less money and get the same feel with identical inauthenticity?

    If you're confused reading this, welcome to the club. :)

    1. Re:How is this better than a Model M? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Model M is buckling spring over a membrane. The Model F is buckling spring over a capacitive PCB. The F is a far more complex design, it's lighter to type, has a louder sound, full n-key rollover, and is much more durable.

      Crazy to think the Model M is the "cheap" solution, huh?

    2. Re:How is this better than a Model M? by Misagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Some connoisseurs find that the Model F's mechanism has a somewhat nicer feel than the Model M's.
      Because the sensing is capacitive and not using a measly membrane, the mechanism is more durable and allows for N-key rollover.

      Also, Unicomp does not make the Model M in a compact form factor (relatively speaking). IBM used to have a Space-Saving Keyboard back in the day, but vintage "SSK"s on the second-hand market are quite sought-after and therefore pricey.

      The build-quality of the buckling spring keyboards has also gradually gone down throughout the years. The Model F keyboards of old had case parts of parts of metal. Even the first Model M keyboards weight about half a kg (about a lb) more than those Model M keyboards made by Unicomp (and the last IBM-branded ones before that).

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    3. Re:How is this better than a Model M? by pem · · Score: 5, Funny

      Louder sound? That's what I'm looking for! My co-workers will be so happy to hear I'm replacing my Model M!

    4. Re:How is this better than a Model M? by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      > full n-key rollover

      It's like fucking impossible to get this working these days. I couldn't find a mobo that met my needs AND had a PS2 port, and in *practice*, N-key rollover is never supported in USB. Frustrating. My keyboard supports it, but that isn't enough without a PS2 port.

    5. Re:How is this better than a Model M? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      The Das Keyboard got Nkey to work over USB. From my understanding it connects as multiple keyboards as to keep that feature.

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    6. Re:How is this better than a Model M? by Guspaz · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unicomp keyboards have a pretty terrible build quality, and I speak as somebody who is typing this on a Unicomp ultra classic. The molding is terrible, with sharp flashing all over the place and on most keycaps. I had to spend a bunch of time with an xacto knife trimming off flashing to make the thing presentable (and to make it stop scratching me). The top plate of the keyboard also doesn't fit tightly to the bottom half, so the thing creaks if you press on the top plate.

      Overall, it's a nice typing experience, but they're severely overpriced for the very poor level of quality on offer.

  6. Re:Not this again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Besides...Gateway made the best keyboards back then.

    Yeah, right.

    What's next, will you try to claim that a tool from Harbor Freight is better than a Snap-On tool ?

    One thing Slashdot always does is bring the idiots out of the woodwork. And yes, I am calling you an idiot, Mister HornWumpus.

  7. Stack of 'Em by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2

    I have a stack of the original IBM XT keyboards in the storeroom. They are PC-XT, so will not work on newer ('286 and up) machines. And they are 83 key so do not have the number pad. They mate up nice to the stack of original PC-XT machines in the same room. ( no XT clones allowed, though there is a stack of salvaged clone motherboards.)

  8. Re:Not this again. by PIBM · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shipping it in a box, in a Styrofoam padding?? WTF, if it can't be shipped straight up, that's not a model F.

  9. It's okay for your one-person office by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But I'm old enough to remember being in a computing lab filled with clicky keyboards back then. Heck, I remember how a room filled with typewriters sounded.

    I'll take today's quiet keyboards, thank you very much.

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    1. Re:It's okay for your one-person office by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Informative

      The IBM Model F and M were specifically designed to mimic the feel and sound of IBM Selectric typewriters, since those were pretty much THE STANDARD for typewriters in offices at the time.

      This way when employees would move from their Selectric to a computer, the keyboard would have a familiar feel and sound.

      So yeah, the wonderful feel of these keyboards goes back to the 1960s when IBM perfected the Selectric.

    2. Re:It's okay for your one-person office by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cherry MX series switches come in four basic types. One, I forget which, has a nice clicky feel but is also very quiet. A variety of keyboards use them and some aren't that expensive.

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    3. Re:It's okay for your one-person office by DogDude · · Score: 2

      I couldn't disagree more. It was wonderful white noise.

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    4. Re:It's okay for your one-person office by Chrontius · · Score: 2

      Cherry Brown.

      Matias also makes an Alps-alike that has similar properties.

    5. Re:It's okay for your one-person office by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Thanks. You are right, they keyboard I have now is MX Brown switches. Feels good and the sound is quiet but just audible enough for a little feedback in a quiet room.

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    6. Re:It's okay for your one-person office by antdude · · Score: 2

      At my former employer, my cubicle neighbors hated my loud and fast typings on clicky Dell keyboards (not even Model M and F types)! They were mostly females too! :/ I even made a poll and posted their comments in my http://aqfl.net/node/5825 ... ;)

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  10. Re:Aaand they are already slashdotted... by Known+Nutter · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can't remember having seen a site slashdotted in a long time....

    I finally just got the order page up. Prices start at $325. No thanks.

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  11. Modem F / M Comparison Chart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  12. IBM Model M Keyboard by Andrew+Lindh · · Score: 2

    I'm sill using an original 1990's IBM Model M (PS2 style) every day. I've changed OS and computers over the decades but not the keyboard. I have to take it apart every few years and clean out the stuff from under the keys. It may be the reduced cost version of the Model F but it's still a usable, sturdy, and reliable keyboard.

  13. Re: Not this again. by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're just mad because your Mac Pro doesn't have a PS/2 port on it.

  14. Shut Up... by Shuh · · Score: 2

    ... And Take My Money!

  15. Re: Not this again. by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 5, Funny

    Without padding and a box it is a hazard to the other items in the shipping center.

  16. You Have Got To Be Kidding Me by WindowsStar · · Score: 2

    Really!! I mean Really!!! I just cleaned out my storage unit a few months back that had stuff in it for 20 years. I just tossed 50 of the original IBM keyboards because no one wanted them, Some of them with such light use they still had the original box. Posted them on eBay and Craigslist for months no-one wanted them. Now everyone wants one. WTH!!

    1. Re:You Have Got To Be Kidding Me by vovin · · Score: 2

      My impression is that http://clickykeyboards.com/ would have taken them off your hands and listed them as well.

      Real shame that ...

  17. Re:Not this again. by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 2

    Model Ms have always been my fave but typing on Cherry Blues right now and all is well.

  18. Re:Not this again. by Misagon · · Score: 2

    Cherry's clicky switches do not use buckling springs. They have a much inferior tactile feel (and less of a sound as well).

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  19. Call me when you have beam springs by niks42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Buckling springs were a cost reduction over the ultimate keyboard design - which was Keyboard D and associated. Those were the "beam spring" keyboards that shipped with the IBM 3278, IBM 3279 and so on. Absolutely fantastic keyboards, wonderful touch, a near perfect force/displacement profile. They were quiet - so quiet, we had to put an electric clicker into the keyboards, software selectable so typists could hear the keystrokes.

    I had one for years and years. I had an interface that supplied it with the +8.5v, +5vand -2.2v it needed, took its parallel output and mapped it to an ASCII symbol set. I had one wired to a 6809 Forth machine for a few years, but it fell into disrepair when the IBM PC arrived, and suddenly I had a C compiler to code with.

  20. If I'm spending that kind of money on a keyboard.. by mark-t · · Score: 2

    ... then I'm going to want to have a clear rubber covering on it that can to protect it from things like accidental spills, even while using it (my roommate back in the day always referred to the one I had at the time as a keyboard condom). Back then, there were just the two styles of keyboard, either XT or extended XT style, and you could get a cover for either one. If something spills on it, you just wipe it with a damp cloth and you're done, or if it gets really bad you peel it off and wash it As far as I know they don't make those anymore because there's too many styles of keyboards now.

  21. retro-Hipster-Fad by williamyf · · Score: 2

    I used a Model F early in my career (@ 16 and 17 YO), then I moved to a Model M.

    Almost no difference.

    This is a pure retro/hipster/fad thing.

    Get a good modern Keyboard, where you get a good backlight, lightweight, and good mechanical (for your taste) key feedback, with modern set of keys and macro-recording, and you will be much better served than reliving the days of yore...

    my 2 cents YMMV

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    1. Re:retro-Hipster-Fad by williamyf · · Score: 2

      The idea originated in the keyboard/enthusiast collector community which arose when manufactures when to cheap rubber dome of membrane to save costs on commodity computers in the early 2000;s. Collectors of anything only make sense to others that collect the same thing.

      I have two model-m keyboards myself. Even flew one of them from Venezuela to spain (in my lugagge, where every pound counted) during my MBA in 2006. I used it consistently at work AND at home (that's why I've got two) from 1992 until 2009, when I got my first Mac and needed the Command-Key.

      So no worries, I understand collecting keyborads, and I unstestand mechanical feel, as I also hate rubber/membrane/dome type keyboards. And I'll also say that the clacking of the keys helps me concentrate...

      But this is 2017. Get your cherry-mx switch type keyboards with modern layout, macro-recording, back-light and all the bells and whistles...

      Or, if push comes to shove, a model M from omnicomp, mechanicaly equivalent to a model M (even made with the same tooling), but with USB, Extra Windows Key and a nipple mouse!

      But, at this point (2017) rehashing/remaking the model F from scratch? That's just retro/hipster/fad

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  22. Re:$300-400... by Bigbutt · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've had $10 keyboards. Heck, I have a $100 Mac keyboard. The feel isn't the same. When I'm typing on one of my Model M's, I know what I'm typing is getting through. With the squishy keyboards, I keep having to backspace because I'm missing a letter, which sucks when I'm on a unix box typing in commands (which I do most of the day).

    I've had my Model M since 89 and it still works great (I'm on it now). Work has provided Dell keyboards, Mac keyboards, and various other brand and non-name brand keyboards. Just nothing works like the IBM I have, to the point that I bought a second one just on case :)

    [John]

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  23. Re: Not this again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Cherry MX switches are NOT buckling spring. They are mechanical but not the same mechanism at all.

  24. Re:Not this again. by chill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Gateway? I think you misspelled "Northgate". The Omnikey Ultra was my all time favorite.

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  25. I say this in every keyboard thread by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    but I'd kill for the Microsoft natural layout with clicky keys. I've tried those split keyboards but they don't slant the keys at an angle so they're a mess.

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  26. Re:Not this again. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Cherry mechanicals certainly beat your basic rubber domes; and have become conveniently widely available; but they are a completely different type of keyswitch than used in either the model F or model M. Given the price, you'd really, really, have to care; but the differences aren't confined to a more industrial enclosure.

  27. Keycap printing by fnj · · Score: 2

    Dye sublimation is better than just simple-minded surface printing (which is utterly unacceptable), but double-shot injection molding is preferred. Too bad they did not make the right choice. Big black mark.

  28. Re:Not this again. by jcr · · Score: 2

    Gateway made the best keyboards back then.

    Nope. The keyboards that Honeywell-Microswitch made for HP's terminals were the best, no contest.

    -jcr

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  29. Re:Not this again. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm trying to find out the difference betweent he F and the M....?

    I've been having some trouble with that lately too. Back when I was in school the one with a penis was the M and the one with the vagina was the F. But apparently it's a little more complicated than that now. ;-)

  30. Re:Aaand they are already slashdotted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What? That's barely more than the list price in 1981. Considering that the original was $670 in 2017-dollars, you're actually getting it at half-price!

    And if you think about it as something you can pass down to your children and grandchildren (like a cast iron skillet), the cost ends up being less than $1 per month.

    dom