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Fired Google Engineer Says Company Execs Shamed and Smeared Him (bloomberg.com)
An anonymous reader shares a Bloomberg report, in which the recently fired employee has been interviewed: James Damore, who until Monday worked as an engineer on video and image search at Alphabet's Mountain View, California, headquarters, said he initially shared the 3,300-word memo internally a month ago. But it was only after the memo went viral that company leaders banded together to make him an outcast, he said on Bloomberg TV. When he initially circulated the memo, "no one high up ever came to me and said, 'No, don't do this,' even though there were many people who looked at it," Damore said. "It was only after it got viral that upper management started shaming me and eventually firing me." The memo, which was leaked to the public over the weekend, argues that conservative viewpoints are suppressed at Google and that biological differences between men and women explain in part why so few women work in software engineering. Even if someone in Google management had agreed with some of the arguments put forth in his piece, they wouldn't have felt safe speaking up, he said. "There was a concerted effort among upper management to have a very clear signal that what I did was harmful and wrong and didn't stand for Google," Damore said. "It would be career suicide for any executives or directors to support me."
and gets tens of millions from Google.
I worked at Google NY..and there is no greater thought control bubble when it comes to anything non-tech.
and every PC snowflake he sues. He did nothing wrong & he is being slandered by just about every "news" & social outfit that is willingly mischaracterizing his memo.
Let's be clear... he was fired for exposing their $265M boondoggle: https://www.axios.com/googles-...
How many targeted scholarships and local/urban school improvements could have been had for $265M?
"Tempers are wearing thin. Let's just hope some robot doesn't kill everybody." --Bender
Everyone knows, rule by witchhunt creates the best workplace and products.
People look back on history condescendingly about the Salem Witch Trials and "how could people be so ignorant." Then you look at what's happening right now. There's some biological / social urge to "Weed out the aliens/different/toxic entity" within an organization.
There's no difference. There's no moral high ground. The same justifications only a different set of victims this time around. History repeats.
The hippies that used to protest their clean cut bosses are now the ones crushing the minorities. History repeats.
He might well be right. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't have seen this coming. There are things you just don't say or do, even if you think it's true. Google had no choice but to fire him and distance themselves; the cost of not doing so would have been much higher.
Who does he really think he is anyway?
An employee feeling that there was something wrong with the work environment?
Ezekiel 23:20
Google is more evil than Microsoft was - Microsoft at least wanted to sell you something. Google wants to sell YOU, and all your data, and while they're at it, they'll also shape your access to information to only that which they approve of.
Google is the biggest search company, the biggest advertising company, the biggest OS company with Android, one of the biggest media companies with YouTube... maybe it's time for the Feds to take a good long anti-trust look at Google...
He was free to express his opinion, they were free to fire him.
Does he want government intervention or a union or something?
"It would be career suicide for any executives or directors to support me" - as it should be. There's being non-"PC" and then there's just being a sexist ass, and he was very clearly the later. BTW, high level execs don't tend to read every single letter every single lowly employee writes; that's not what they get paid the big bucks to do. They didn't respond for a few weeks, because it was below their radar - as an employee's ramblings normally should be.
That is no Google engineer. That guy is Howard Wolowitz!
At-will employment refresher - IF YOU ARE A DICK WHO SAYS CUNTY THINGS, YOU MIGHT GET FUCKED, BRO. That's not Obama's fault, snowflake. Stop crying and STFU and do your damn JOB that you're overpaid for! Bitch!
If this is the way you are responding then you obviously didn't read what he wrote, or notice the way he wrote it. He's not a dick who says cunty things. He's an engineer who followed data to conclusion and presented it with sources. And he's not crying about it. People are ASKING him about it.
An engineer who was forced to sit through non-technical things.
He distributed it to executives asking for criticism. They ignored it. He posted it on an internal social media page asking for the same stuff.
It wasn't offensive, and scientists in these fields are backing him up. He offered more creative solutions to improve diversity efforts based on biological difference and evolutionary psychology. Google's efforts for diversity have been a $265 million dollar flop.
https://www.axios.com/googles-diversity-efforts-are-making-little-progress-2470784457.html
Oh, he's also got a PhD in biology.
Based on this they top out at $223K. That's like making $40K in Metro-Atlanta. You couldn't afford to live here on that.
Like I tell folks who want to go out there, take your current pay, multiply it times 5 and that's your bottom to keep your lifestyle. Don't forget, between state and Federal and local taxes, you're gonna lose half your pay out there. So, $80K in Atlanta would be like getting $400K in Silly Valley.
My parents live on Shattuck Avenue in Berkeley and I live in Metro-Atalanta. They also own rental property and will not even rent to you unless you make at least $200K a year.
I'd move back but everyone in Silly Valley wants engineers for cheap.
What a special snowflake.
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Of course he's saying they shamed and smeared him, to do otherwise would be to admit they had good reasons to fire him.
The problem is that he basically accused his bosses of being incompetent thought-controlling tyrants, and then let his accusations get into the media. He put them in the difficult position of either having to admit his accusations were correct or having to fire him. If what he wrote was true, they weren't going to the first one and if what he wrote was false, they definitely weren't going to do the first one.
Fanatically anti-fanatical
When it went viral the big G had to fire him because not doing so would have made them look bad in the public eye.
I wouldn't really care much if it had been an extremist and sexist piece but it isn't.
You may or may not agree but it's a reasoned document.
Alas, it doesn't really matter, what mattered is that it got viral and many piece of news about it made it look much worse than it really is, they said it said things that are just not there. Many people who read this terrible reporting was outraged (as I would be if it really was what they claim it is) and then the man was lost.
It's sad we've gotten so uptight about certain topics that merely suggesting something different to the accepted narrative can get you fired.
I fully agree with you ! They can fully fire anyone they want. But now they have to change the motto, or not, since most totalitarians have no problem with hipocrisy.
Agreed. And if you read the memo you would understand that nothing even remotely close to that was said. But anything to attack republicans, eh?
Yet another dipshit who refuses to read the actual 10 page memo and still has the false belief that everything they read on a site labeled "news" must be true.
Nobody claimed the guy was a whistle blower, oh bearer of the tiny straw man. They claim that he was slandered and wrongfully terminated.
I read the memo, unlike you. IANAL, but believe he's got a pretty solid case. The Stalinist tactics being used by many are being illuminated.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I don't care what it says, don't write a manifesto for work unless it's part of your job. This guy's an idiot on multiple levels, says idioto
Are you not smart enough to understand the dog whistles? It was very clear he was calling women subhuman and calling for their rape. Republicans love their dog whistles. Trump used them a lot during the debates to call for the death of all blacks while not sounding like Hitler to thinking people. Nonthinking people understood what he meant. It's just like when he said he wanted to reduce food stamps. That is a dog whistle for starving black children to death. Calling for 2nd amendment rights is calling for black little boys to be murdered in the streets. Republicans and this Google guy, but I repeat myself, are calling for black children to die.
If they were promoting their politics on company time, with company resources, yes it would.
SJWs are the new boogeyman. -Me
You cannot expect to use biology as your shield for supporting inequality without expecting a severe backlash. This country is founded on equality. If you want something else, find a different geography that espouses your views.
Let's be real.
We will never achieve perfect diversity.
But we are guaranteed equal opportunity under the constitution. Equal opportunity is not conditional on biology or "suited for" conclusions. The measuring stick is independent of biology. Unfortunately in these jobs, the perceived capacities often overshadow the real measurements and hence we get inequality based on biology.
If he wants to support "to those based on need from those based on their merit" - there is an ideology and a geography that supports that. And they would be happy to take him in. And for kicks - they may even drink his homo superior vs homo sapiens koolaid.
But not in this country. It's not about right and left, right and wrong. It's about equality.
I'm actually pretty disappointed that this didn't trigger an avalanche of support from within Google. I'd like to think that if I worked there, I'd type up my own suicide note in support of him and circulate that internally.
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
Or, even if you're not a "dick who says cunty things", but just somebody presenting facts, backed up by statistics, that hurt somebody's feelings.
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
Discovery will turn up the conspiracy by nutcases, and their mgmt overlords.
Some lawyer will have a complete field day with this, before moonwalking his way into a tens of million dollar payout. If it even gets to that level, since Google mgmt knows they are politically and morally corrupt. They'll pay out to keep this secret. This will be Gamergate II, only better, and waged in a courtroom and via depositions.
I'm wondering how many SJWs in the media they've been conspiring with to slime this guy. They probably know they were creating a hostile environment and that he had reached out to the NLRB.
You should repeat that a few more times, I'm not certain everyone saw your virtue signal.
That's the joy of science. You can think research is shit, then you get to disprove their assertion. If you _think_ it's shit, but can't disprove the science behind it, then it's valid. If you think it's shit and you _can_ disprove it, then it's objectively shit. Would be interesting to see another PhD rebuttal to it in scientific terms, rather than the name calling and witch hunting.
I mean, it can't be any worse than inviting "Clock Boy" to the White House, right?
I don't think you read the actual essay.
You must be related to Unoi’m Carasee, Vice President of Mutually Exclusive Propositions.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
It was very clear he was calling women subhuman and calling for their rape.
I'm not sure if you're serious or are just trolling, but if you are serious, please quote the portion of the essay that says the above.
The important part is that the person was at-will. Don't stir the pot, won't draw the ire of the people who can fire you. Now he's unhirable, though I guess he could go work for Reason or something
If you're the one hearing the dog whistles, that makes you the dog.
Your wife should get her money back.
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
Honestly, he's saying exactly the opposite. "When he initially circulated the memo, 'no one high up ever came to me and said, 'No, don't do this,' even though there were many people who looked at it."
There's a lot of talk about free speech, but it sounds like Google was okay with him expressing his opinion, and didn't try to silence (or shame) their engineer in any way whatsoever -- for at least a month, up until it became public. If we're going to really listen to what the engineer is saying, then Google actually is tolerant of different viewpoints under most circumstances.
So why did he start handing out pamphlets instead of telling his manager to stop trying to hire women?
A) There's no "instead of" here. He sat down with Google's HR department to discuss his concerns over what he believed were illegal hiring practices taking place within Google in addition to writing the document that was leaked.
B) He never suggested Google should stop hiring women. Rather, he suggested that Google's hiring practices apply a lower standard to minority job candidates, and he called for them to either correct the imbalances or put an end to those policies altogether, that way all candidates are judged by the same criteria.
An engineer who thought he had a reasonable answer who didn't realize that the basic problem is essentially irrational
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
How is that a related field anyway? As opposed to, say, neurology or psychology? Does studying bacterial mutation rates give her some extra qualification regarding human motivation and impulses? There surely are many more qualified people in this world than the Google employee to weigh in on the issue, but I doubt you've married the right one.
Ezekiel 23:20
An engineer who was forced to sit through non-technical things.
The horror, the horror.
In sane countries, they couldn't. And neither could Google.
Ezekiel 23:20
Google motto 2004: Don’t be evil
Google motto 2010: Evil is tricky to define
Google motto 2013: We make military robots... also, we help hillary overthrow governments
Google motto 2017: Trump is evil and we hate science
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Whether you agree with him or not, Google is being a rational large company. Their lawyers met with the chief counsel and calculated that allowing, then settling one wrongful termination suit far outweighs the damage that might be caused in the press each time the two parties show up in court. Not to mention the potential class actions -- every female who ever had any interaction with James Damore, every female who was denied a job by Google, every female who wasn't promoted, and on and on. It's the same thing that happens with product liability -- do you issue a recall or hope everything blows over, even though you're on the hook for a lot of money and reputational damage if someone connects the dots? Takata, VM and the GM ignition switch cases are good example of this.
I said it yesterday, but it bears repeating -- even if it's not overt, if a company knowingly creates what a jury believes is a hostile work environment, and doesn't take action to stop it, they're on the hook. This was their smart play in this case -- they showed that they took immediate action and disavowed that Damore was speaking in any way for Google in general. I know people are turning this into a "conservative witch hunt" story, but I think it's just legal butt-covering.
At-will in a state where firing him for political viewpoints is illegal, and in a country where his essay counts as whistleblowing (he's alleging Google engages in illegal practices) and where retaliatory action against whistleblowers is illegal. Google can't fire this guy after the incident / dispute, nor can they reassign him to nothingness, hold him back in his career, etc.
Google fucked up.
That would make anyone insane. Maybe we should be happy he didn't start trying to summon Cthulhu.
Ezekiel 23:20
Exactly. His response shows why it is not reasonable to attempt to "educate" or "reform" these sorts of employees. If you have one, just fire them and reduce the damage. And when you're hiring, make sure you're not hiring one of these clowns.
Misogynists would make the same statement regarding women complaining of legitimately unfair treatment. Congrats, you're no better.
Education and reform of people who are despicable
ah yes, the 'basket of deplorables' argument.. ..and progressives wonder how someone like trump could've possibly been elected..
Except it has nothing to do with "at-will" work. In most States, it is required to take action to prevent what he did. (creating a hostile work environment based on categories prohibited from being used for workplace discrimination)
In fact, one of his arguments was that current socjus policies help foster hostile work environments because they don't reflect reality. Then there's the broken assumptions that come from using 'class' to judge individuals...
It is not a synonym for oppression. It has a narrow, clear meaning, and you're not allowed to do it at work based on a bunch of categories that you must be aware of to work with others.
We all discriminate every time we make decisions, based on all sorts of discriminators. The problems start when irrelevant ones are used to make assumptions. This is probably the crux of the problem with current social justice policies. Under the guise of fighting against irrational discrimination, it imposes it using the same flawed reasoning.
Claiming it is your opinion doesn't shield you at work; keep opinions on those subjects for your personal time, work at work and politic somewhere else.
Perhaps google should also fire its VP of 'diversity' so she can also follow this good advice and get a real job. Then the company can focus on building a culture of merit.
I rather suspect that Google would have been sued for inaction over a toxic work environment if they hadn't fired him. Seriously, another nonsensical "biologically unfit for ..." theory? If it's lifting 300 pounds, you can validly produce a statistical likelihood that most people fit for the job will be male, but mental tasks? Horseshit. We've been down that road for millenia and the "biologically unfit" crowd is ALWAYS wrong. I'm sure he'll sue, and his lawyers might make money, but I expect he won't see a dime.
When he initially circulated the memo, "no one high up ever came to me and said, 'No, don't do this,' even though there were many people who looked at it," Damore said.
Nobody at Google told him this shit was wrong until it went public? That's messed up.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
He does not have a PhD.
There was something on a linkdin profile or something that either claimed a PhD, or just studying for a PhD, which has since been removed. The profile change was made when someone called the school and found he had not completed a PhD, then published that.
Rust is better known for its tyrannical Code of Conduct and oppressive Rust Moderation Team than it is for its technological innovations! This has also driven away potential users and developers who aren't interested in engaging in pointless identity politics, resulting in a community that is quite insulated and limited. What could have potentially been the most important and innovative programming language since C++ has ended up becoming what's essentially a joke.
Identity politics will destroy whatever they touch.
Highlighting AC's point here. It doesn't even matter whether identity politics really is important to the Rust community - identity politics is so toxic that just the reasonable assumption that it might be is enough to drive away a lot of nerds. Some of us had enough problems with social acceptance before all this BS - the last thing we want is even more arbitrary social rules to cope with where we expected technical engagement.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
1. Racism and Sexism have historically have not been considered political or religious speech.
2. Whistle blowing a policy to increase diversity, that people seem to know about, isn't whistle blowing.
Google is all about culture. It isn't for everyone, it isn't for me. However is an employee seems to be at odds with its culture, they may get fired. Not because of their views, but by actions showing defiance to such culture. Employment at will means you can get fired if you just not a right fit. The law put exceptions for a detail list of things, Race, Religion, Gender. Sexual orientation.
However posting a manifesto opposing a policy that the company is trying to incorporate can get you in trouble, what is worse, he made it public and the media got its hand on it. So if they keep him, it is validation that Google is sexist (As that was main thesis), so we will fire him, and just get complains from people they wouldn't want to hire anyways.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
It is important that we all have the right to hold ideas that are inaccurate and also state them as being our beliefs. If not, we would have to condemn scientists who held to theories that got updated when new discoveries were made. So the court case will primarily test whether or not he should have been allowed to publish what he wrote without being punished by his employer AND whether or not an employer should be allowed to fire someone over beliefs they don’t want their employees to express.
Damore’s attorneys will argue that he is being discriminated against for exercising his constitutional rights, but that will fail because employment is at-will and it wasn’t some protected thing like race or religion that resulted in him being fired but instead his on-the-job “behavior." Google’s attorneys will attempt to argue that his ideas are harmful on the basis of their scientific merits, but that will fail since, there is no crime in expressing incorrect ideas. Damore’s manifesto also did not enter into the realm of hate speech, since he did not recommend harm against anyone, only that Google scale back “inefficient” programs that promote ideas of equality that Damore believes are not scientifically supported.
So it’s going to fall upon the journalists to pick apart the ideas he expressed. It will be educational for the rest of us to have some of these ideas about “genetic differences” retested. It’s not that we haven’t tested them before many times, but many people do not learn history and could benefit from a refresher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
He already has job offers.
It's not whistleblowing, as he didn't 'leak' the document, or at least allegedly didn't do it.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
Dunno, I don't click random links. Instead of spewing spam, why don't you come up with your own understanding, and use it to formulate your own words?
Wait until they've taken roll/passed around the sign in sheet. Go to the bathroom. Don't come back. Duh.
The instructor is working a scam, she doesn't care, just so she gets paid.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
http://quillette.com/2017/08/0...
Science would appear to disagree with you, but maybe you didn't read the memo with the citations:
https://diversitymemo-static.s...
And sorry if not wanting to keep employing someone who thinks women are biologically inferior and unsuited to working at Google is a bad thing.
Quote me where he makes that claim in the memo. Because I think you didn't it, even it it's widely-distributed, heavily edited form.
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
Regardless of whether it's "at will" employment, firing is governed by numerous laws, including ones that protect against retaliation for criticism, whistle blowing, employee to employee communication about workplace conditions and more. Some of these laws exist at the federal level, and some at the state of California level.
Google has knowingly committed an egregious breach of at least several of these protected cases. Upper management very loudly proclaimed their issues with him to the media of all people, so they can hardly pretend as if they fired him without reason.
It's amazing how many people here blithely cite 'at will' employment without any knowledge of what that actually pertains to or how the law interacts with it, that they perhaps think employees waive all rights when they work for a company in the US. A casual google search will turns up for example, California's whistle blower laws. Employers firing a whistle blowing employee can not hide behind "well it was AT-WILL employment!' BS.
The people who didn't read it and assumed it said things it didn't made the toxic work environment - by spreading their assumptions and making it appear as if there was a hostile employee among them, when there wasn't. These people did the equivalent of yellowing "Fire!" in a crowded theater when there wasn't any fire, then blamed him for starting a fire when there was no fire.
What I've seen personally that hurts women in many fields (not just or particularly tech) is the significant minority that take a job, get pregnant, and go on leave for the benefits with no intention of taking the job back at the end of their leave. Meanwhile, the employer is paying their benefits and the higher cost and lower production of a temp -- because they can't hire a replacement permanently, that job has to be there should the employee on leave wish to come back. This continues until the employee's leave ends and she announces she's going to be a full-time mom.
When you've seen this happen a number of times as a business owner, you would come to the conclusion that women of childbearing age are hazardous to your bottom line. You wouldn't come right out and say so, and you'd meet your diversity numbers in other ways such as women over 40 who are unlikely to pull this particular stunt, but it would make anyone hesitant to hire from a class that repeatedly takes advantage of the rules. Since it's illegal to ask if someone intends to get pregnant and quit, it just has to be assumed that some proportion of that demographic is going to pull this stunt.
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
It does sound kinda crybaby.
When you're getting paid that kind of money you keep your opinions to yourself. You have the right to air your opinions out but your employer also has a right to fire you if they don't like the content. That's what "at will" employment means.
Stop defending crybabies just because you agree with their brand of whining. It does sound a lot like egotistical, overpaid a-holes crying over accountability.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
It's Managers culture.
Once you become a manager you care more for other managers options than your customers or employees. So whatever their private view as soon as they hear another manager criticising a memo, it spreads like wildfire. I've worked in big and small industries over the last 40 years.
Standard practise in any business sadly.
Are there gender differences between men and women on the type of jobs they go for?
Of course there is!
200 years of cultural learning has put that into place and changing the PC side of it will take a _couple_ of generations to filter down.
Just give it time for the women to come out of School and University and get jobs.
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ah yes, the 'basket of deplorables' argument.. ..and progressives wonder how someone like trump could've possibly been elected..
No we don't. We've known about the broken electoral college since no later than 1824, and if not then, 1860 would be a big clue that regressives don't like losing. (Of course, by some accounts you could include 1800)
And the kind of reprobate grandstanding bloviator that Trump functions as, has been known since Sinclair Lewis and Jack London wrote about them.
Fuck man, we know It can Happen Here.
The only question is why you don't know we know.
His "assertions were abusive towards women" because the PC police and a lot of illiterate journalists looking for clickbait decided they were, NOT because of what he wrote.
What he wrote was about the fact that there are several ways to create jobs or revamp existing ones that would make them more appealing to a wider group of women which would in turn make Google more productive and an overall better place to work. While acknowledging that there is a wide overlap of traits and skills shared by both men and women there are still certain traits generally favored by women and others by men (either due to genetics or social constructs).
In other words, if 70% of men and only 35% of women share a trait then it is counterintuitive and anti-productive to try and force a 50/50 split in men/women working in a job or style that favors that trait. Instead it would be better to find traits which have a more even split or even favor women and create more of those jobs. One of his example is that they could expand their pair programming efforts as women tend to have better social aptitude and work well in groups.
Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
Mod this up. Someone PLEASE!
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
There is a scene in Zardoz in which the group of "Eternals" gangs up on one of its members and harshly punishes him for his crimethought.
The witchhunt of the Google engineer reminds me of this scene.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
At-will employment refresher
Funny how liberals only appreciate the liberty corporations have when thought criminals are getting it. Similar to how Facebook shouldn't be investigated for grooming a news feed because it's a private corporation and has a right to privacy. At any other time the corporate personhood from which these rights are derived makes the exact same people foam at the mouth.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Right.
People are acting like Google needs us at this point.
Something seriously huge would have to happen for Google to just go away.
But hey I'm young and stupid and I'm sure the same has been said about other corporations in the past, amirite?
I tend to rant.
RUSH: They can’t be open about what they think. They have to follow the Google groupthink or they’re going to be canned. They’re not allowed to dissent. And yet these are people claiming to be the greatest defenders of First Amendment free speech.
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this whole thing is one big dog whistle for both sides
Well, I was thinking about my comment, and I agree it's full of shit.
Except for that last part..
I tend to rant.
Yo fellow honkey mofos, sorry for the double post -- here's the TL;DR segment from swillden's documentary recommendation. https://youtu.be/tiJVJ5QRRUE?t... which summarizes the gender preferences of ONE DAY OLD CHILDREN before the effect of post-birth culture. Also worth it to watch this segment https://youtu.be/tiJVJ5QRRUE?t... which informs us that gender roles are STATIC across ALL studied cultures, implying a biological basis. (Apologies to those who are not honkeys, mofos, or fellows. Especially the non mofos. Cuz it is GOOOOOD to be a mofo)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
/. past the first one is basically conservatives whining about a perceived slight because of their victim complex.
https://www.psychologytoday.co...
He followed data he didn't collect, or understand, to a conclusion he had already decided was right (even given the fact that the data DID NOT support that conclusion).... that's called confirmation bias. Even the person who did collect some of the data, whom the engineer posted as a source, says the engineer came to the wrong conclusion.
So, Google probably should have fired him for not being able to read and understand the written word, or maybe for being so clueless as to have absolutely no foresight in regards to the possible repercussions of his actions. Either way, conservatives have pushed "at-will employment" laws to undermine unions for 30+ years, and his firing is allowed by those.... so while he may not be whining, and just answering questions... all of these posts on
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
What if he happens to be wiccan? I could see the literal translation and taking offense at the same...
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
No side is right on this. Both sides were crass and didn't think what they said through.
And Google is supposed to be the place where even the janitor has a PhD! Why can't anyone there look at this with a level head?
The social rifts in the US run so deep that a civil war seems like a real possibility.
"You should never doubt what nobody is sure about." -- Willy Wonka
What's the cost of respect for the human individual?
As in an ACTUAL human being, not an imaginary corporate person?
There are no gawds but profits, and Apple, Google, and a bunch of huge banks are their prophets.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Saying he lied on his resume, he's not a PhD, etc: https://chess.stackexchange.co...
Let's see now. We have an employee who was fired for exercising his first amendment rights. He's been shamed and maligned, perhaps slandered, libeled, or both.
We have an organization which claims it's sole reason for existing is to enforce the human rights recognized by the US Constitution.
Whyin'ell has the ACLU not put their foot into this situation? Are they REALLY supporting the Constitutional rights of citizens or are they the feckless left wing liberals many of us see in them? I'm just wondering. But taking James Damore's obvious first amendment case might do their reputation some good.
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Yeah...what do you think about the idea of posting a voice-over of that video in American English? We have access to talent & we operate a studio for our own product demos, so the vocals & mixing would be pro (or at least highly talented intern supervised by a pro). Thoughts? Anyone? This is an EXTREMELY VALUABLE documentary as it is fair, funny, and full of real science. But I need some feedback before I pour company time into this. Anyone have a higher def version? Even if we upload 360 to remain with what is probably Norway TV's copyright parameters for youtube it is better for us to work with a high-def file. Conversion-losses & such. (and there is always conversions at some point). I think this is a hot moment and we could concievably have an english version up by mid next week.
When you read the manifesto, he uses "facts" to defend his conclusions. The facts are indeed "facts." Nothing he describes about women vs men have anything to do with aptitude. I've seen enough crappy men programmers to know it has nothing to do with being male.
In the "black lives matter" movement, opponents site the fact that the biggest problem in black communities is "black on black" violence. OMG, that's horrible, "black on black" violence!! They say this as if it means something. Well, the number one problem in white communities is "white on white" violence!!! See that, statistics being used to make a point that they don't really support.
News flash!!! Men and Women ARE different. Some "men" have difficulty with women. Get over it. 99.9% of the time, the differences are unimportant. Most professions that require skill and dedication require just that, SKILL and DEDICATION. My first computer science teacher was a woman, she was brilliant! It NEVER occurred to me that I should think less of her skills because she was a woman.
3) Competitiveness and ability to handle stress are not good reasons to promote one employee over another. Promoting the top performers at one level to a higher level is actually bad business practice. It ensures that everyone is promoted to their level of maximum incompetence. Studies where employees were promoted AT RANDOM showed better outcomes than when promotion was based on current employee performance.
The fact that it's not a good reason doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Business makes bad, short-sighted decisions all the time. Unfortunately, they're run by humans, who are also known for making bad, short-sighted decisions.
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He's not a dick who says cunty things.
Yes, actually, he is.
He's an engineer who followed data to conclusion and presented it with sources.
Except his sources are garbage.
Going back to my original statement which you complained about is I believe more pertinent to your complaint. I figured it would be best to lay out the events and ask the important question.
1. Person writes a paper questioning policies and pointing out favoritism and discrimination.
2. Former Google Exec works with Media agent to put out an edited version of that document which removed citations, footnotes, graphs, and sets the headline that translates roughly as Horrible person releases horrible paper inside Google.
3. Google then publicly fires the same horrible person for having such a horrible opinion.
Google knew damn well that items 1,2, and 3 damage this person's ability to find a new job. Not just at Google of course, but anywhere he goes there will be a slew of SJWs harassing the company for hiring the "horrible person with the horrible opinion" and demanding that they too fire the guy.
How are these actions Not Stalinist? Stalinist tactics are to discredit and destroy anyone who dissents and causes harm to your ideology. Prison and execution were part of Stalin's tactics, but certainly not the only part and not the majority. Firing squads are an exclamation point on fear and intimidation tactics, not the majority of them.
Google could have put a stop to this immediately had they simply stood up for their employee and said publicly that he was mischaracterized by the former exec, perhaps even releasing an non redacted version of the paper. Even better addressing a few of his points they felt worth discussion.
Instead, Google pressed the destroy button.
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The fact that you refer to it as a "girl germs" screed proves that you have not read it.
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The question is, who approves the content you input? I recommend to control it yourself, instead of just passively consuming whatever somebody wants you to see. Maybe you feel differently, maybe you want to just dump as much garbage in as you can, so you can also increase your output? Life is full of choices. Following random links isn't a choice I make. There is an information glut on my planet, I'll already follow many less links than I would prefer. And there is a limit to how much input can be assimilated per day.
Some amount of crap is necessary, in order to keep track of what is going on in society. If some idiot can formulate their blatherings well enough, they just might get included in my sample. But just having a link isn't going to cut it.
A few years back, I stopped using Firefox after Brendan Eich was attacked and ultimately evicted from his role as Mozilla CEO just for having dared giving $1000 to proposition 8 a few years earlier.
I left Twitter and Facebook a few months ago after witnessing active censorship and speech control myself, and noticed that these companies were obviously using political orientation as a primary criterion for account suspension. Based on my experience, leaning right put your accounts more at risk than harassing or assaulting women on-line, or even blatantly recruiting for ISIS.
Now I have to consider replacing Google with alternatives too for the same kind of bullshit?
All these are attacks on freedom of though and freedom of speech, plain and simple. What's wrong with Silicon Valley? Do you think freedom is an option or what?
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