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James Damore Explains Why He Was Fired By Google (wsj.com)
In an exclusive Wall Street Journal post, the engineer responsible for the anti-diversity "Google manifesto," James Damore, explains why he was fired by the company: I was fired by Google this past Monday for a document that I wrote and circulated internally raising questions about cultural taboos and how they cloud our thinking about gender diversity at the company and in the wider tech sector. I suggested that at least some of the male-female disparity in tech could be attributed to biological differences (and, yes, I said that bias against women was a factor too). Google Chief Executive Sundar Pichai declared that portions of my statement violated the company's code of conduct and "cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace." My 10-page document set out what I considered a reasoned, well-researched, good-faith argument, but as I wrote, the viewpoint I was putting forward is generally suppressed at Google because of the company's "ideological echo chamber." My firing neatly confirms that point. How did Google, the company that hires the smartest people in the world, become so ideologically driven and intolerant of scientific debate and reasoned argument? [...]
In my document, I committed heresy against the Google creed by stating that not all disparities between men and women that we see in the world are the result of discriminatory treatment. When I first circulated the document about a month ago to our diversity groups and individuals at Google, there was no outcry or charge of misogyny. I engaged in reasoned discussion with some of my peers on these issues, but mostly I was ignored. Everything changed when the document went viral within the company and the wider tech world. Those most zealously committed to the diversity creed -- that all differences in outcome are due to differential treatment and all people are inherently the same -- could not let this public offense go unpunished. They sent angry emails to Google's human-resources department and everyone up my management chain, demanding censorship, retaliation and atonement. Upper management tried to placate this surge of outrage by shaming me and misrepresenting my document, but they couldn't really do otherwise: The mob would have set upon anyone who openly agreed with me or even tolerated my views. When the whole episode finally became a giant media controversy, thanks to external leaks, Google had to solve the problem caused by my supposedly sexist, anti-diversity manifesto, and the whole company came under heated and sometimes threatening scrutiny.
In my document, I committed heresy against the Google creed by stating that not all disparities between men and women that we see in the world are the result of discriminatory treatment. When I first circulated the document about a month ago to our diversity groups and individuals at Google, there was no outcry or charge of misogyny. I engaged in reasoned discussion with some of my peers on these issues, but mostly I was ignored. Everything changed when the document went viral within the company and the wider tech world. Those most zealously committed to the diversity creed -- that all differences in outcome are due to differential treatment and all people are inherently the same -- could not let this public offense go unpunished. They sent angry emails to Google's human-resources department and everyone up my management chain, demanding censorship, retaliation and atonement. Upper management tried to placate this surge of outrage by shaming me and misrepresenting my document, but they couldn't really do otherwise: The mob would have set upon anyone who openly agreed with me or even tolerated my views. When the whole episode finally became a giant media controversy, thanks to external leaks, Google had to solve the problem caused by my supposedly sexist, anti-diversity manifesto, and the whole company came under heated and sometimes threatening scrutiny.
...for drama. You want to write a manifesto? Don't do it at work. Put it on your blog. I would fire you for wasting everyones time with your personal issues.
When did this become James Damore's personal blog?
C0C Only in USA/West!
For Taylor Swift to sue this guy.
All Google products should be boycotted until he's re-hired!
Hell No!. I didn't say anything. Seriously, I didn't. I mean, nothing. I didn't even know this was going on.
Identity politics destroys organizations, including companies and open source projects.
Using past Slashdot submissions, let's track what happened to the GNOME desktop environment project after it started engaging in identity politics, instead of just focusing on software development.
On June 15, 2006, Slashdot featured the story "GNOME Reaches Out to Women".
As we progress from 2007 through to just last week, we can see the decline:
The GNOME project went from creating GNOME 2, which was perhaps the most widely used and most liked open source desktop environment ever created, to the GNOME 3 disaster (which was quite delayed), and eventually to the project having trouble finding a maintainer for its text editor!
Some people will misinterpret what happened, and blame women for it. Of course, that's a load of bollocks. As we can see from t
He needs some Spam-flavored Macadamia Nuts to go with his whine.
Don't write your personal manifesto at work and then email it around to everyone.
James Damore Explains Why He Thinks He Was Fired By Google
Fact of the matter is, as he was the firee, not the firer, he cannot speak authoritatively as to why he was fired by his employer. His employer is probably not going disclose the exact statements that led to the firing either, because any employer sufficiently large to have an HR department is going play its cards close to its chest to avoid creating grounds for lawsuit or to minimize those grounds.
Everyone on the planet old enough to have life experience develops one's own set of biases. Generally it's wise to take care when expressing one's biases or when acting upon them, because if someone is indiscreet then one's indiscretions may lead to consequences. Mr. Damore did not exercise discretion and it has cost him.
Fundamentally the workers in a business are not the owners of the business, and unless employees have reached sufficiently lofty positions in the company then they're to follow legal policy, not to set or otherwise determine policy. Granted, a tolerant employer can be better to work for, but there again, that kind of tolerance goes both ways, and an employer is only going to tolerate so much intolerance. In the eyes of his employer, Mr. Damore appears to have crossed that line.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
You went the "girls literally can't code unless you make it more social for them" route. Getting fired for that isn't a question of if but rather of when.
Bitching about it being an ideological echo chamber doesn't help any because what you're really doing is whining that other people don't want to associate with you because of your shitty opinions and pseudo-science.
Take a break and shut the hell up.
See subject: & by the way: Hey JOOgle - fuck off you punk motherfucking pieces of SHIT... that's right. You heard it right here.
* You JUST can't help it, can you? You're descendants (your "owners" thieves known thru all history) are pieces of SHUNNED SWINE that were kicked nation to nation thru all history!
(Think your BULLSHIT can takedown the rest of us? Believe you me, cocksuckers - I will be the 1st in line to pull your eyeballs thru your asses when the shit (that YOU want to happen, turning brother against brother) hit the fan...)
APK
P.S.=> Google you're a pack of punk motherfucking no good pieces of shit... apk
social justice idiots stop thinking and reading when the first word that offends them appears.
the truth offends them.
there is a bell curve.
all people are not equal in the eyes of the law. ( or Hillary would be in jail & John Podesta would be investigated. And several email servers would be in FBI Labs)
Not everyone can win an Olympic Games Gold Medal.
Not every understands string theory, quantum mechanics or algebra.
scientific methods work, although there is a lot of fraud & bad science out there.
the Bible is the word of man & edited by the Church,
This is my opinion based on what little I know and understand of the rumors and lies Thanks, Randal
1) This guy writes a manifesto that says that women, due to biology, are less likely to succeed in tech in general and Google in particular.
2) Enginneers at Google and other places are required to interview other people as part of the interview process.
3) A woman comes in for an interview, and is interviewed by Damore, who has said that by default she is less likely to succeed.
This is BY DEFINITION a hostile work environment. It's hostile for incoming women, as well as women who work there.
This is what the neanderthals here who think he was wronged don't fucking understand. It does NOT MATTER if what he said was true, well, sourced, worthy of discussion, etc...by having and promoting those beliefs in that environment he is creating a hostile work environment, and keeping him on opens up Google to a class action lawsuit, which they would lose if any woman could show that after his screed, she was interviewed by him and did not get the job.
That's all there is to it.
Clearly, intimidation and retaliation works. Muslims use it. Feminists use it. Google and corporate America all fear it. They use it to seize arbitrary power that is above reasoned debate or challenge.
My favorite quote from the manifesto:
"Biological males that were castrated at birth and raised as females often still identify and act like males"
I've been able to survive this long as a software engineer without discussing castration in any email or company blog posts. It's really not very difficult.
Here is a simple rule of thumb, If your CEO has to cancel a vacation because of your actions, which inexplicably involve discussing castrated males, you should prepare your resume...
He got fired for ripping the veil off the Uncomfortable, Inconvenient Truth: That homo sapiens are just animals pretending to be civilized, playing with all our toys. In reality the human race, at it's current state of development (toddlers, not totally out of diapers yet) are a fucking JOKE compared to where science fiction authors envisioned us. We're sexist, racist, bigoted, violent, irrational, and still believe in imaginary beings with magical powers. We prey on our own species. We fight and klll our own for fun and profit. We treat our females like cattle, kidnapping them and forcing them to have sex with strangers so the kidnappers can get paid money, and when they become all used up they're killed like cattle. We shit where we eat every single day, destroying our own habitat, and at the rate we're going it won't support us in another hundred years. if there are any actual alien civilizations out there that are advanced enough to come here or at least monitor us from a distance, it's no fucking wonder that they won't contact us or respond to our attempts to contact them; we're an embarassment. They're probably waiting for us to fuck up so bad that we all die off, then come mine the Earth for it's resources.
..and now, just like that poor bastard got fired, I'll get modded down to negative one in a heartbeat, because nobody likes being reminded of the truth of who and what they are: ANIMALS.
It's the same thing that Larry Summers got in trouble for. You're not an expert in neuroscience or sociology. You're not qualified to say what differences are biological, which are cultural, and which are due to bias. You're picking and choosing tidbits of pseudo-science that reinforce an argument that women are genetically predisposed towards different types of technical work than men. Absent scientific consensus to support that claim, this isn't all that different than classic sexism. It creates a hostile work environment, those who were offended had every right to be offended, and management is going to do what they're going to do in that situation.
Especially niggers.
he company that hires the smartest people in the world, become so ideologically driven and intolerant of scientific debate and reasoned argument? ... Easy, Because they started making money and they continue to do so. Simple. Seriously, Who cares. A geeky tech company that is male orientated. I am sure that it is very localized issue what this prick is going on about and I'm sure Google all over the world treats it's women right. End of story.
Your wilful misrepresentation of the thing speaks volumes, so thanks for sharing.
But do consider: If he'd only put it on his blog, it might've gone viral anyway and gotten him fired all the same, so that's no argument not to bring it to work. Especially since it's addressing something that's a thing within google. He's trying to be constructive about solving problems at work. As an engineer, that's his job. At least he thought it was.
Anyway, it's not a manifesto, it's a discussion piece, full of well-researched science and reasonable argumentation. You don't have to agree with it, but you don't get to just sweep it under the rug with an ad hominem or other fallacy. It is interesting to see why it got such a strong non-contentual response, for as it turned out, it's not just "drama". It's heresy. That's much, much worse for the keepers of the canon.
Heresy cannot be tolerated because the heretic is wrong. It must be eradicated because the heretic might be right.
I think he missed the point, STEM Jobs suck and bosses generally treat you very poorly. Women on the other hand generally have more skills than their on the spectrum male counterparts so they can get more interesting and rewarding jobs, and they are not stupid and can tell STEM Jobs suck and would be a waste of their life.
Are going to be written by people who didn't read it, or read it and failed to understand it.
Nobody knows (or cares about) what you're saying.
Boycott google and all their products until he is re-hired!
It be the white man tryin' keep the niggas down.
for making his employer look bad in public. And that'll get you canned most anywhere.
Some drunk jackass DJ groped her during a meet & greet, Taylor Swift complained to his company, he got fired, and now he's suing her.
Didn't read the memo, huh? Just the media articles about it, right? It's obvious.
Here's a link for you; https://diversitymemo-static.s...
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
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Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
There's a huge logical fallacy in Damore's argument, and this guy nailed it. Damore's argument boils down to this:
A) There are biological differences between men and women, as science has shown.
B) Men and women, on average, do different things in the workplace, as statistics show.
C) Therefore, A causes B.
D) We are trying too hard to change this because A causes B.
This has all been such a complete waste of time.
Don't shop Google products until he's re-hired!
He became a distraction! You never want to be a distraction in any job. Your reason for being there is to help the company get it work done. Once YOU become the topic of conversation rather than the objectives its a problem. Unless you are a C-Level and even than it can be a problem.
Now I find Google's policies and this diversity business "deplorable" I think companies should hire the best qualified candidates they can get that want to work there for what they are offering to pay, full stop. The moment you start giving special consideration to someone's skin color, gender, sir name, or any other damned thing that isn't immediately relevant to their expected job functions you are off in heave bullshit territory in my book. I would even go as far as to say I agree with almost all the content of his little manifesto.
I still understand why he got fired though!
He was not a hiring manger, he does not work in HR. If he thought Google was engaging in some kind of illegal discriminatory hiring practice there were probably a small number of official people who should have raised that concern with and likely given them more than a couple weeks to respond to serious matter like that. He kept circulating the document, he should have reasonably know would cause controversy, though to a wider audience of people who did not need to be involved.
So Boom gets fired. Now I hope I am right I hope he was fired for being a distraction and not just because someone important "disagreed."
Repeal the 17th Amendment TODAY! Also Please Read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
Most of the "science" that the Google guy cites has been thoroughly debunked, as have most of the theories that say that "evolutionary development" justifies structural inequity.
Also, there is a bell curve, but "The Bell Curve" is a pile of racist claptrap designed to make white guys feel justified in their racism.
Hopelessly pedantic since 1963.
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It is a shame he still seems to be unable to comprehend why he was fired. As an Engineer he should know that the has to identify a problem in order to fix it. Unless he recognizes what the problem really is, then he will just continue spinning in place, looking more and more foolish.
Maybe you need to read the actual contents of the memo before offering an opinion. Damore NEVER says that women are inferior to men as programmers.
I am a white male in my 40s, and I recently quit the engineering profession because of just this kind of political bullshit. Companies that used to be devoted to the pursuit of science and technological achievement have been co-opted by the social justice movement, and it makes for a very hostile work environment.
I quit because a certain team of HR administrators decided that white males over 40 were no longer welcome at the company. White males over 40 (and only those of us over 40, mind you) were required to take QUARTERLY diversity training and sign oaths of affirmation of our commitment to diversity and inclusion.
The last straw came when, as a manager, I was told that I was no longer allowed to determine my raise distributions and that my director would dole out my raise pool. Guess what - not a single white male over 40 in my group (myself included) were given raises the last two years.
So I said screw it. I quit. Now I'm a certified financial planner and I couldn't be happier. I don't make as much money yet but I'll be damned if I'm not thrilled to go to work every morning again. That's something I haven't felt in a decade.
No, Damore NEVER said that women are less likely to succeed in tech than men, less capable, etc. Read the fucking memo yourself before you comment on it; the media have been lying to you about what it says.
"How did Google, the company that hires the smartest people in the world .... hire an idiot".
James specifically posted it In response to a request by google for critical and controversial thoughts on equality in the workplace. James starts out by explaining that it is wrong to take the average of a group of people and assign that value to each individual, at no point does he say individual women or any other individual from a group can't do well. Instead it is a well reasoned and cited document. Later on it was backed by at least 6 experts in the fields of biology and psychology, citing scientifically accepted causes for differences beteeen groups of people. It outlines how cultural taboos create opportunity inequality by attempting to force outcome equality through sexist and racist bias. Because he was right, it inflamed SJW and the corporate monoculture so badly no one even read it before resorting to a strawman argument set aflame from the torches of seething angry internet warriors.
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
He states that "...Google hires the smartest people in the world." His actions prove that he ain't one of them.
So you're saying there's such a thing as "non-white science"? Perhaps with "non-white universities" to teach that "non-white science"? What would they teach there, I wonder?
I note that you decline to actually engage on content. Inquisition does not do that with heretics.
Debra W. Soh is an expert in neuroscience. (PhD in sexual neuroscience from the University of York.) She wrote the following in defense of Damore:
"Within the field of neuroscience, sex differences between women and men—when it comes to brain structure and function and associated differences in personality and occupational preferences—are understood to be true, because the evidence for them (thousands of studies) is strong. This is not information that’s considered controversial or up for debate; if you tried to argue otherwise, or for purely social influences, you’d be laughed at."
The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond
Where do you work? I have to assume that it isn't in Silicon Valley, or some other heavily leftist area.
What you're saying is perfectly true in any reasonable area, where leftism has been kept in check. But it doesn't hold true in areas where leftism is running rampant.
It was leftists who brought genitalia and -isms and -phobias into the workplace.
I don't think you truly appreciate what it's like to work within an organization that consists mainly of Millennials (aka "hipsters"), especially ones who are on the far left of the political spectrum. It's the kind of thing you can't really understand unless you've experienced it, it's so unbelievable.
The workplace doesn't revolve around work or business, like is typically the case. Such a workplace revolves around so-called "social justice" and other leftist ideologies. Work is secondary to matters of political ideology.
If you haven't experienced this yourself, perhaps the best example you can publicly see is the Rust programming language project. Its Code of Conduct should give you a sense of what the situation is like.
There's a paragraph within the Rust Code of Conduct that states that it's unacceptable to exclude people, yet that very same paragraph also threatens to do just that against people deemed to be offenders! With some emphasis added:
When working in a leftist organization, you'll find it challenging to not discuss gender, sexuality, racism, homophobia, sexism, and all sorts of other -isms and -phobias on a frequent basis, even if you're a software developer! The absurd thing with leftists is that they could very well go after you if you don't discuss such things as frequently as they do, because to them the lack of discussion indicates that you're a "bigot".
If you've never experienced a leftist Millennial workplace, then I don't think you could truly appreciate how unusual of a situation it can be. Talking about "castration" (or more likely, transsexuals) could very well be a common occurrence.
How many times are we going to have this same (group) argument?
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Come on, we are all tired of hearing about this idiot. We all know what he wrote, we all know the story, we all know what Google did in response, AND there was already a front page post focused on Damore's side of this (https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/08/10/1833254/fired-google-engineer-says-company-execs-shamed-and-smeared-him). This isn't news anymore. We don't need endless rehashings of the same bullshit.
The long and short of it was that he hinted women and other diversity candidates biologically inferior. He didn't say it out right, he wink-winked it and put some favorable references give it a veneer of scientific soundness.
It wasn't a scientific paper. It was an opinion piece about his gender and racial (diversity) stereotype biases and his belief that is was based on genetics.
Experts have come out and said there isn't definitive proof that those biological differences would account for the differences. The cultural differences plays such a big huge part in all of this.
Pretty please? I'm tired of hearing about this story as if Google were crusading against conservatives.
At his new job at Inforwars or National Review, where he won't have to worry about pesky issues such as repression of conservative views or diversity.
--sf
"James Damore Explains Why He Was Fired By Google (wsj.com)"
Of course he doesn't, he just tells his opinion.
Why did he feel the need to spend the time and effort to write a ten page email/memo about something he thought was a problem? I cannot find anywhere where he was tasked with this. Or even the company soliciting opinions.
If he truly felt he had an opinion that could have helped, requesting a meeting with the director of HR or his boss would have been appropriate.
Frankly, I get the impression he wanted to just rant and thought if he made it look scientific enough, it'd get by.
"It does NOT MATTER if what he said was true, well, sourced"
So, you're a science denier. That's a far greater crime to humanity.
If your coding quality is as good as your understanding of social research quality, you should be compelled to return past earnings. Your right to free speech was in no way impended. You spoke. Now try to accept the consequences, how to say, "like a man", rather than whining.
Google is rich. Which means they're very, very smart at business. And this guy was fired. Which means he's a loser. So anyone who agrees with him hates America.
And water is wet.
This memo has really triggered a lot of people which tells me he might have been on to something.
Now edging carefully away from crazy people at Google.
towards different styles of technical work than men. He said that since women are more social creatures then they'd likely excel with "pair programming", and a bunch of other things.
The whole thing reads as pretty man-splainy and pseudo-sciencey. There's also weird tangents about politics and echo-chambers and thought-police and whatnot. He's easy to see how someone could interpret it as a political statement--because that's essentially what it was.
I think he did make an effort to provide some balance, and I think he was trying to be honest. I probably would not have fired him for it. I would have given him some stern redirection.
Pachai is re-making Google, in Mountain View, into a vision of his Heaven in India where men are given 72 women to rape as a matter of religions freedom and birthright.
Pachai was out at an All-Girls "coding" fair to pick out his next virgins to enjoy.
Simple.
How many days in a row are the conservative trolls that help run /. going to be posting more, and more, and more of the same story? When will their victim card get worn out? How about we move on to something that's actually somehow related to science or technology instead of more whining.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
Interviewed him in depth on YouTube a few days ago. No paywall and very thorough conversation. I recommend it over the wsj personally.
You, my friend, are an idiot that didn't read what was written or did and would rather misrepresent what was said to fit an agenda. People like you are the problem here.
1) This guy writes a manifesto that says that women, due to biology, are less likely to succeed in tech in general and Google in particular.
That's not what he said and you know it. He didn't say biology had anything to do with females succeeding or not in technology. He said that biology may affect their desire to GO INTO TECHNOLOGY. He never said anything about success in technology.
This is BY DEFINITION a hostile work environment. It's hostile for incoming women, as well as women who work there.
This is what the neanderthals here who think he was wronged don't fucking understand. It does NOT MATTER if what he said was true, well, sourced, worthy of discussion, etc...by having and promoting those beliefs in that environment he is creating a hostile work environment, and keeping him on opens up Google to a class action lawsuit, which they would lose if any woman could show that after his screed, she was interviewed by him and did not get the job.
That's all there is to it.
Once again, you are misrepresenting what he said to suit your own agenda. The paper was intended was intended to start a discussion on why Google's diversity program isn't really working and how it could be done better. How it could get diversity of thought as well as gender and race. Basically, the place is a single mindthink and if you don't fit into it, you aren't welcome. And they pretty much proved his point.
Anybody who objectively reads what he wrote can understand what he was saying but you have to not put your personal bias into it.
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
He got fired for political reasons.
"You should never doubt what nobody is sure about." -- Willy Wonka
I got the 4th or 5th call from one of their recruiters yesterday. I'd been demure up to this point. I told them to go FSCK themselves and never call me again. I don't play well with censors .
Diversity does not mean everybody is the same, except to Unoi’m Carasee, Vice President of Mutually Exclusive Propositions.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Wal*Mart won't let me wear my Pepe Shirt to work, and my manager has me on notice after asking Mexicans for proof of citizenship.
The whole world is crazy now!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
He wasn't trying to advance the state of neuroscience or sociology, as he is completely unqualified to do either. And he wasn't trying to present a scientific consensus, because there is no consensus on these issues: they are pretty complicated and the jury is still out.
Finally--and this is the surest indication that there was no science happening here--he wasn't talking to people who themselves are experts in neuroscience or sociology.
He was a non-expert talking to other non-experts; cherry-picking data to support his "beliefs". That's not science, that's politics.
And not just any politics, political speech that's claims that women are genetically predisposed towards different technical work than men. That is speech that creates a hostile work environment.
And that's game over.
but his ultiamte statement was "people with an XY chromosome are more likely to be good in technical fields than people with XX chromosomes.
All the evidence and studies support that theory.
It doesn't say that any/all XY are better suited than all XX. It says and cites that they are generally more likely to be, as evidenced.
File the outrage under irrational emotion and hatred.
Skeletons will say the truth.
Just wait until all the trans/torned/gender zealots die. The archaeologists will test their bones, and it'll say "I was a man/woman, not the crazy things that I said when I was alive".
Nature (meaning God) is wise, human beings not. ;)
The only "biological differences" between men and women relate to reproduction, not intelligence or the ability to be an engineer.
The Bell Curve - that racist claptrap of a book, had something like 40 chapters - only 1 of which dealt with race.
Your "pseudo-science" claims is actually the state of the art scientific knowledge. But to you, it's hate facts.
But his memo being "wrong" or "right" is one thing, there is the other issue that the guy seems to be an ass, judging from for instance his new twitter, his antics at Harvard or his fake PhD (?)....maybe the memo was the straw that broke the camel's back and the guy was an ass at work... Anyway TFA is about his firing and his firing is not and should not necessarily be related to the scientific accuracy of the memo.
Read your parent post in context. They are replying to an A/C who says the paper is pseudo-science. Should that go unanswered just because you think it's off-topic? No.
Debra W. Soh is an expert in neuroscience. (PhD in sexual neuroscience from the University of York.)
Yep. She's also an author for that esteemed peer review journal Playboy, and did her thesis on investigations of sexuality via fMRI, which has famously been used to detect emotions in a dead salmon.
Maybe women are genetically predisposed to being better programmers- we don't actually know what traits make for a good one. That sex-linked differences exist is uncontroversial; suggesting that there is a direct causal link from hyperspecific metrics to a squishy thing like "being a good programmer" is a leap of faith and completely unjustified by the science.
He was fired for political reasons.
"You should never doubt what nobody is sure about." -- Willy Wonka
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
You embarrassed your company in the News.
You Made you Boss come home early from vacation.
You Made sure Legal had to be involved.
Your manifesto read poorly in Goggle and on the out side.
If you just wrote about an echo chamber, no one would have cared, You could to bring in your personal stereotypes.
I would not keep this in the News, if you want to get another job.
"In my document, I committed heresy against the Google creed"
I don't think this is how you would write if you really wanted to change a policy that Google had.
Yep, because if 4 scientists agree, the issue is obviously settled.
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
The american left is the new nazi party
Think of Google as a company run and populated by fundamentalist Christians. If they told you they want to have "an honest debate about the existence of God", would you think they mean it? When fundamentalist Christians tell you that they would like to pit their scientific evidence for God against your scientific evidence, do you really think they are talking about science? Progressivism and the social justice movement have become like fundamentalist religions; you can't argue with these people, they are inaccessible to reason and argument. And like fundamentalist Christians, they are often wealthy, powerful, and vindictive. The only thing you can do is roll your eyes and leave quietly.
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
1) Google's management decide to have a quota on how many men and women are supposed to work there.
2) There is an open position. Two people apply for it - a man (more qualified) and a woman (less qualified).
3) The woman is hired because currently there are too few women working for the company.
This, to me, looks like the opposite of "no discrimination based on sex" or "equal opportunities".
Classic ad hominem. Classic. Ignore the argument, attack the person that made the argument. Discredit their social standing. Do not engage in debating thousands of scientific studies.
It's the liberal version of denying global warming.
Who told you Google was a ideological think tank? Maybe you weren't hired to evaluate the validity of gender stereotypes, you self righteous prick.
It does NOT MATTER if what he said was true, well, sourced, worthy of discussion, etc......
That's all there is to it.
You really should think about your ethics if the truth is not important. I for one wouldn't want to ever be quoted as saying that someone can be correct, well sourced, and it still doesn't matter.
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
Even though I've tried to find something about it several times, I've never been able to suss out why some users on slashdot appear with orange stars next to their names.
After seeing them consistently appear (extremely vehemently) on the same side of this and other political issues, I'm starting to suspect they're just this site's version of blue checks.
On account of smaller hands and more slender arms, women are particularly suited to being automotive repair/service technicians, especially with the crowded engine compartments of modern cars.
I had this discussion with U.S. Air Force, and my question whether women had a higher G-load tolerance (such as in high-performance aircraft), and this was answered affirmatively.
[citation needed]
. . .you have nothing to fear from the police wanting to search your car.
But way to go with trying to make him into an expert in cognitive studies, because he went part way through a biology PhD. In my part of the world that's called a fallacious appeal to authority.
Actually, you were the one guilty of the "appeal to authority" (or lack thereof) originally since your first post clearly suggested we should dismiss his arguments because he was not an expert. Given this, it is the height of hypocrisy to criticize the person who effectively refuted your argument of committing the error which you made. This is doubly true when the only reason he mentioned the engineer's credentials was to show that you own fallacious "appeal to a lack of authority" was wrong because the engineer did actually have some expertise in the area!
1) He stated that women were less likely to succeed or desire a career in tech as the environment lays, not that they couldn't or wouldn't. He explained ways he thought things could be done differently so that women could.
Everything following rolls downhill due to the misinterpretation of 1).
Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once
Does he really have no clue about? I bet he has more clue than you
That's an ad-hominem (and not just the butthurt accusation of ad-hominem where someone is just angry they were insulted). 11000's expertise is not relevant to the question of whether Damore has any expertise. What matters is that actual experts on the topic disagree with him. Like this woman who teaches statistics at Harvard and actual neuroscientists.
I do see few women builders or repairing roads or lorry drivers or security. It may be in part due to biological differences that a women is less likely to want to be a lorry driver or a programmer. But I also see more women cashiers for example (or rather, it is rare to see a man cashier in a supermarket, but it is the opposite for an electronics part store). So, I guess men would rather do something else than be cashiers.
In a more coporate-y setting: how many men are in HR?
The idea that women may be biologically superior in two traditionally male-dominated domains offends a person so much that they reply with two untruths?
There are all manner of serviceable components on modern cars, that is, unless you buy your cars new and never drive them long enough to need to replace an O2 sensor or any number of challenging-to-access parts.
Australia is putting in service the human-piloted Joint Strike Fighter.
https://www.bing.com/videos/se...
"... circulated the document about a month ago to our diversity groups"
How dare he write about his views on diversity to internal diversity groups. His MIT credentials further show he has no business being all academic and stuff.
She's also an author for that esteemed peer review journal Playboy
Your personal attack is meaningless. Why wouldn't someone specializing in sexual neuroscience publish articles in Playboy? It is natural fit to reach a large audience of people with an active interest in sexuality.
and did her thesis on investigations of sexuality via fMRI, which has famously been used to detect emotions in a dead salmon.
What does that have to do with anything? Your attempt to discredit fMRI is all based on someone scanning a dead fish, applying human brain imaging models, and getting a weird result? You'd be an idiot to expect anything different. Next you are going to tell me that we can't trust DNA testing because genome mapping fails when used to analyze motor oil.
Most of the "science" that the Google guy cites has been thoroughly debunked, as have most of the theories that say that "evolutionary development" justifies structural inequity.
Also, there is a bell curve, but "The Bell Curve" is a pile of racist claptrap designed to make white guys feel justified in their racism.
Most of your "comments" that you have made has been throughly debunked, as have most of the sjw comments/lies about the memo and it has eroded the structure of culture and society.
Women who are particularly good at technical and mathematical subjects often happen to be very good at many things. There are, relatively, more men who are good at technical subjects and not outstanding on others.
...he is actually protected because he filed a complaint with the National Labor Relations Board before publishing his memo, and the NLRB protects people against firing once they’ve lodged a complaint under whistle-blower statutes.
Lawrence Person (lawrencepersonh@gmailh.com (remove all "h"s to mail)
http://www.lawrenceperson.com/
Before I comment specifically on women on tech, I would like to digress a bit. Few years ago, there was a discussion about US should profile Muslim young man at airport screening and I opposed the idea despite the overwhelming statistics showing that Muslim young male were the most likely culprit of terrorist attacks worldwide. The reason was that it will reinforce the idea even when the threat is gone. Imagine you are with your 5 year old kid at airport security queue and 3 Muslim men are taken aside for stringent checking. Your kid asks you why they were taken away and you say it is because they were Muslim. Next day they go to school and see another Muslim boy in the class. How do you think they will react?
Are there any biological differences between men and women which is responsible for lower women representation in tech? I don't know. But the topic should be discussed in scientific and academic community and not inside a corporation where many readers involved have the power to make the decisions directly related to the discussion. This will poison the very environment at Google. You are not a PhD in gender psychology and not hired in Google for your specialty in that field. You will get fired for saying many things in Google or Microsoft or Goldman Sachs or at any other company which is far beyond your role and is completely against your corporate philosophy whether you are right or wrong. If I say, non-veg eaters are murders, I can get fired as well. He didn't post his memo on FB, he posted on company board and that was the reason he was fired.
Coming to main topic, I don't believe that biological differences are directly holding back women. Most indicators show that women do as well as men in similar surroundings but due to biases women are selected less than men or are paid low which starts a downward spiral. Most men will not marry a women as successful as men, so the first bias you will see is that even the successful are married to even more successful men. These successful men manages to destroy carriers of less successful women easily. I had a friend who made his wife earning 75k leave her job in 2005. He was paid around 120k. In the beginning, she was earning 80% of what he was working. But then due to pregnancies leave and the fact that she had to do most of house chores while her husband worked hard at work, she got her promotions slowly. Also, she had two pregnancy leaves. Eventually, they were making about 100 in investment income and 160k was men salary, so they fell in 44% marginal tax range in California (including SS, state tax, medicare and Federal tax). Add another 25k of child care and 10k extra when two people are working, his calculation was that her net cash contribution wasn't more than 15-20k a year. 5 years later when the kids had grown and she tried to go back to work, she got a job with 120k while her husband was getting 220k and investment income had grown to 150k. Once again she quit after one year as husband complained that her take home pay wasn't worth. Currently, she is not on job and taking care of her children. A good engineer (though not as qualified as her husband who is from Ivy league and MBA from top university. He refused to let her do MBA saying it would be waste of money) had to leave her carrier thanks to her "successful" husband.
...with their "gender is a social construct" line, and all their other ideological sacred dogmas, either fired or cowed into submission.
Or, conversely. high tech finally realizes just how toxic SJW ideology is and stops tolerating SJW mobbing and bullying in their ranks.
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Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
The freer women are to study anything, the less that have to choose boring mathematical vocations.
I hear she also sometimes farts in public.
A Harvard representative confirmed to Business Insider that Damore was enrolled in the program but hadn't completed the doctorate, though he did receive a master's degree in biology. The representative did not say why Damore left the program, but it's not uncommon for people to pause their doctoral studies.
Especially when thinking they can start to settle into a new career with a big company like Google. He probably thought, like many, that working for Google would be great! The brightest minds must revere Science and love dialogue and debate, right?
I'm guessing his head is still spinning a bit from cognitive dissonance.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Presumably, you can provide a credible source for the "debunking" then?
"appeal to a lack of authority"
Would be an appeal to ignorance.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
Uh, no. State of art science is that there is no relevant biological differences in female and male brains and that any broad-based differences are purely the result of social conditioning.
The majority of his arguments are based on one poorly-designed study about day-old infants, a study that not even the study's own author has been able to replicate.
I think he did make an effort to provide some balance, and I think he was trying to be honest. I probably would not have fired him for it. I would have given him some stern redirection.
Of course you aren't responsible for the stock price of a Fortune 10 company with a bunch of SJWs screaming at you to fire him... And they say that one of the hallmarks of an evolved society is the elimination of mob justice... I guess we need to do some more evolving...
You left out the most relevant quote:
"Sex researchers recognize that these differences are not inherently supportive of sexism or stratifying opportunities based on sex."
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
Yup, I read the memo, and the cherry-picked evidence he presented (come on, you don't really believe he didn't start with his conclusion already in mind).
Damore explicitly makes the observation in the WSJ that Google "hires the smartest people in the world". Of course that does mean that you would have to be really careful when attempting to apply some general result to the heavily preselected population at Google. I mean you wouldn't just, say, point to some average like around 50% of people having an IQ score of 100 or less, and say that therefore half of all Google engineers are dopes.
And the effects he supposedly isn't blindly applying to female colleagues ("reducing people to their group identity and assuming the average is representative [...] is bad and I don't endorse that", "women, on average, have more..."), are very small. Even the "biggie", neuroticism, the most pronounced result of his supporting references, has a z of 0.4. That is, there is about a 58% chance of you guessing the sex of someone correctly from their N score (compared with a 50% chance when just guessing). And their overall sex difference across all the "Big Five" personality traits is 0.19, whereby you might expect a 53% success rate in guessing the sex of someone from their test scores alone.
In comparison, when the effects of gender bias are examined, e.g. by presenting the same results/report/resume under male and female names, differences of 20% in perceived worth are not uncommon, and effect sizes are of the frequently of order of 0.6, 0.7, 1.0 or more. You would be able to guess correctly whether someone had read a resume with a man's name at the top or a woman's 70% of the time, simply from the salary they suggest the applicant should be offered.
Damore's "scientific and reasoned debate" ignored much larger effects of conscious and unconscious bias, gender stereotyping and social and peer-group expectation to argue for the accommodation of vastly more minor influences.
It's akin to being stood in a pool arguing that the human's biological inability to breathe underwater removed any obligation for you to take your foot off someone's neck.
I wear my "Kill White Men" shirt at work in the Castro District on a daily basis with no problem.
At Starbucks we support Diversity!
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
There is a lot about gender differences known to biologists, anthropologists, and other sciences. And that’s great, and we should avail ourselves of that knowledge.
This is something Damore DID NOT DO. (I did read the manifesto, BTW.) He *speculated* about the impact of fundamental differences, without citing any evidence, and then like some fucking propagandist, he *assumed* his speculations and went on to make groundless recommendations. This is bullshit of the highest order, and it’s a TRICK that is actively used by people trying to mislead others. I don’t think Damore is smart enough to be doing this intentionally, though. He’s just stupid, but it still pisses me off when people use tactics like this (intentionally or otherwise). His recommendations are based on more unsupported assuptions than that. All these training programs and efforts to maximize deversity, *might* make Google inefficient, but the extent to which Google would be inefficient was also left entirely vacuous, even if you were to make the mistake of taking his speculations as fact.
There was no scientific debate here. NONE. Because there was no science. Indeed, something conveniently left out here is any evidence *against* biological differences being a significant contributor to gender disparity. A simple google search reveals plenty. How about "https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270278/“? You don’t want me to spam you with all the publications I’ve found on this topic that contain ACTUAL EVIDENCE. No. We don’t have scientific debate here. Just some moron looking for an excuse to not have to show women respect equal to men or silence the people talking about diversity, which apparently offends him. Damore feels offended because his point of view is being disparaged, but people who believe in a flat earth will feel similarly, and they should not be given equal voice either.
Maybe there are some differences between men and women that, all other things being equal, might make fewer of them enter tech professions. The problem is that all other things are not equal. Not even by a long shot. The inequalities imposed by society may be improved compared to what they were 60 years ago, but we still have a long way to go before half the population (women included) subconsciously question a woman’s qualifications more than a man’s. Or a black person’s more than a white person’s. We’re just not that far removed from the civil rights revolution, and the civil rights revolution has not reached everyone. Biological gender differences *plausibly* have some impact on the disparities. But only plausibly, in that we have not totally ruled it out, and for sure there is no evidence in favor of this postulate that isn’t drowned out by other factors.
Even if you disagree with me there, it’s also not the role of HR employees and hiring managers to make decisions on the basis of gender differences. They do not research these things, they are not educated in them, and it’s really not their job to know them anyway. Their job is to facilitate evaluation of potential employees based exclusively on skills relevant to the jobs, by evaluating resumes, checking references, and collecting feedback from interviewers. (There are very few other reasonable criteria, with the exception of maybe a few things like criminal background and the relevance of that to the specific position being applied for, and even that has to be handled carefully.)
Once people are hired, the next thing we need to so is foster a comfortable work environment. If Damore were do damn concerned about “efficiency,” he would consider the impact of sexism (regardless of biological differences) on women working at Google and the impact of that on their work productivity. People who actually give a shit about the feelings of others besides themselves don’t feel “oppressed” when they have to curb their behaviors and langua
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
... and I would've fired that kid as quickly as I could. He's an idiot for wasting company time on something that doesn't effect him. He's an idiot for wasting who knows more time by upsetting most the people he sent it to. He's an idiot for talking out of his ass about something that has nothing to do with his job. He's a liability. Firing him immediately was the right thing to do.
I don't respond to AC's.
part of the Ideological mafia there too?
I'm sure that would explain things.......
Social science? What about behavioral genetics and psychology?
you never read the memo.
Horrible attempt at a hatchet job on Mr. Damore.
There are biological differences between males and females, not that the average slashdotter would notice or appreciate. Men and women complement each other and become one when they're together, even better when they're a perfect match. Understand your strengths and weaknesses, and those of your partner. Cooperate and live happier.
It's nice. You ought to give it a try.
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
any good points you made there, besides some rabid name calling.
If you want to make a cogent argument - let's hear it!
More than amateurish too.
And yet, you've waxed eloquent on how unqualified he was. This, despite other professors saying his paper represents the current science.
You never read the paper, and all you can do is attack because it conflicts with your worldview.
Am waiting for you to actually post a scientific rebuttal.
1) Somebody writes a manifesto that says that new college grads that don't come from Stanford are less likely to succeed in tech in general and Google in particular.
2) Enginneers at Google and other places are required to interview other people as part of the interview process.
3) A person that doesn't graduate from Stanford comes in for an interview, and is interviewed by somebody, who has said that by default that person is less likely to succeed.
This is BY DEFINITION a hostile work environment. It's hostile for incoming people that didn't graduate from Stanford, as well as those who work there.
Although this is all hypothetical, (from what I know, nobody wrote such a manifesto), in the earlier days of Google, this was quite a pervasive thought process (quite a few Stanford "snobs" in the early days of Google) but probably nobody was stupid enough to write a manifesto... But had they done so, I'm not so sure it would pass your logic.
Sometimes what is true or makes sense isn't logic or isn't legal. You might be correct about him, but your logic fails you. What he said was simply bad because it was both illegal and against the political tide. Saying the same thing about non-Stanford graduates even if true wouldn't be illegal and might not tickle the political tides and would probably simply only be stupid, even if hostile to non-Stanford grads BY DEFINITION...
Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
There are three types of people who call themselves Jews:
1. True Torah [Sephardic] Jews: these are the descendants of Prophet Jacob-Israel (Jacobites or Israelites) (about 5%-10% of all Jews)
2. Khazarian or Ashkenazi Jews: these are the descendants of a Turkic idol/phallic worshiping tribe who migrated to Russia in the 7th Century A.C. and whose nobility converted to Judaism in the 8th Century A.C. and now inhabit mostly Europe. (about 90%-95% of all Jews)
3. Zionist Jews: these are the ones from the 2 above who are pretending to be Jews for political reasons but whoâ(TM)re are actually Illuminists-Luciferian-Masonic-Satanists as Harold Wallace Rosenthal admits in this interview.
They are led by the neo-Pharisees (occult-priest-banklords). They want to establish a Zionist Luciferian state from the Nile to the Euphrates from where they plan to rule the Earth. The new Israeli Supreme Court funded by the Rothschilds Banklords is full of Masonic Symbols, just like the B.I.S. Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, which is the Mother of All Private Central Banks.
The hexagram symbol on the Israeli flag is the ancient Star of Moloch, a Satanic-Baal deity to which people were sacrificed. There is no such thing as a Star of David which the modern Jews have been fooled into believing; however, the True Torah Jews are not fooled by the Zionists Illuminatis and you can visit their websites for more info .
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost propert
Pinker vs. Spelke
Apparently, nothing has changed. I thought Pinker argued the issues and Spelke mostly engaged in an end run, but the audience (a tweed of elite leftish sympathizers) voted for Spelke.
Yeah, androgen is just a confound, leave it out.
Besides, only half the debate is about capacities. The other half is about drive and narrowness of focus. Women generally don't wish to be as mentally narrow as the most extreme men, and sometimes choose balance over advancement.
I get it. Women resent the past and present reality that choosing balance over wonk navel-gaze has such a striking impact on the pocketbook, at the top end of the curve.
Society can decide—collectively—to diminish the natural premium of an unconstrained market. And maybe we should (sometimes naked incentive is quite the bitch), though you won't get many of the more strident voices in this debate to admit that this is what we're actually talking about.
Here's the butt-naked truth: a lot of young males who aren't getting laid don't give a flying fuck about life balance.
I get it. It's hard to compete with testicles hell bent on a self-destructive war path of personality implosion.
Hitchens: Why Women Aren't Funny — 2007
This was written precisely to lampoon the cognitive morass surrounding this issue.
Natalie Morales Calls Christopher Hitchens an 'A–hole' for Saying Women Aren't Funny — 2017
Awesome! Di
To be more clear, what I am saying is illegal is creating a hostile working environment for women (as they are a "protected" class). Creating a hostile working environment for non-Stanford grads does not seem like it would be illegal nor tickle the political tides, but probably simply only be stupid.
Yup. He's posturing for a big, nasty lawsuit. I hope it gets tons and tons of media attention.
We all know this — the "free speech" Amendment only applies to government. You must not prosecuted for calling Trump "traitor" or a policemen — "an asshole".
Though the work to abolish the Amendment is in progress, it may take a while for us to become "more like Europe".
So, in order to control, what people say — and what politics they support — the statists have invented a new trick. Instead of pursuing the individuals, they would go after employers. See, the First Amendment may protect James Damore's speech, but it does not protect Google from charges of "creating hostile work-environment".
And just what constitutes such an environment? Whatever the government says it does (somehow "gender identity" is on the list already, for example)... Sure, sure, to actually win in court, the prosecutors/lawyers need to persuade a judge and the jury. But the process is daunting and very costly — and whereas the employer has to pay their own expenses, the "attackers" are paid by the taxpayers.
It is to protect themselves from such nonsense, that employers establish these "internal policies" and set up positions like "Vice President of Diversity" in the first place. These people sincerely believe in the justice of their causes, doing the government's job for it...
By inventing "protected categories" the government gets to decide, what Americans aren't allowed to say. At least, at work — where we spend about half of our waking time. And then come Social Justice Warriors, who would gleefully pursue you even for convictions privately held...
First Amendment? Yes, sure — you still have it, but best talk in your shower, where no one can hear it and get offended.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Look in your pants. Is there a penis there? Then you're a man, and if there's no penis, it means you're a woman, and you have naturally inherited biologic tendencies toward certain behavior. Culture molds and shapes itself on many environmental factors, not the least of which is biology. Anyone who can't see that is doomed to disappointment, and the "gender theorists" are basically completely in total rebellion to their own biological reality. They're not that much different to the materialists of the 19th and 20th centuries who thought that it was man's right to completely dominate and control nature, overcome it and subdue it, and destroy it in the process. These people are in for some serious reality checks. While they may have temporary power in the media right now, it won't last and they're cutting their own throats with all their insane "diversity" agenda. Women and men are different in their basic reactions to life. Those that think otherwise are really basically in denial of their own nature.
"I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. "
That LITERALLY means that because of women's biology, they are less likely to make it to positions of leadership.
that explains why we are seeing so many personal attacks on Mr. Damore's memo.
Just like the other idiots here defending him, you ignored his writing.
" I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership."
I'm not misrepresenting anything. I'm quoting him DIFUCKINRECTLY.
That means, to anyone who can read, that he believes that women's biology contributes to them being less likely to be found in positions of leadership. This is why those of us on the left get so fucking frustrated with people like you. You knee-jerk defend him when his sexism is right there in his post. Fuck.
I would suggest that he got fired for everything between the headings of "Personality differences" and "The harm of Google's biases", where he belittles every traditionally feminine strength. His belief that the male way of being an engineer is inherently better than the female way of being an engineer demonstrates a deep ignorance of what the company is trying to do and the way he handled it is exactly the sort of thing the company is trying to get rid of.
his paper was trash, it had no purpose, it was designed to hurt females, and oppress them. it suggested his IQ was a little low, because he didn't see the full world for what it is. he didn't analyze how the existing work landscape formed, or why it existed. this is where you find the real reason women are disadvantaged. at the dawn of the United States, women were mere items to be owned, as were blacks. women and blacks were both slaves, enjoying only the freedoms their oppressors offered to them. women could not vote, work, or own property. it was men predominately that gave all the privilege to themselves, and they set off across America putting their names on all the land and resources, giving themselves the title deeds. later, blacks and women became slightly less enslaved, but the system of capitalism still existed which shifted the power over to who owned the money and resources. it was predominately men, who passed the wealth down in inheritances. women never got much of the money or resources, nor did blacks, even when they gained the right to vote, be free, go to schools, etc. till this day money and owned resources are the predominate deciders of status, including what schools you can get into, where you can go, what you will do in the world, and if you will have enough money to do it all. men continue to have so much money and resources, they can elect anyone they want, controlling who gets elected. the same is true within business, men are favored, favoring themselves, and keeping all the money and resources to their own. women are being barred from being given money and resources, and are being barred from being governors, presidents, senators, congressman and the like. it costs quite a bit of money to try to contend with mens money and resources, so few challengers make it very far.
women will continue to be oppressed for some time, because they aren't the owners of all the money and resources, men are. mostly white men too, blacks can't even hardly compete..
racism and sexism thus were installed into our very governance by the use of the capitalism system.
obamasweapon.com
by posting someone's lucrative writing gigs, attacking their thesis, without posting it, or having a scientific discussion.
You've committed a classic ad hominem. You came out against her solely because she argued scientifically, to support the claims Mr. Damore made. Since you are fumbling, why not attack on University of York next?
The height of unscientific hypocrisy, and pedantic mediocrity!
She works for Playboy therefore her degree doesn't count and the obvious fact that men and women aren't exactly the same in all ways is negated!
Strawman defeated: SJW's win again!!
Check thru the comments here and the usual suspects who cheer the persecution and firing of this bloke are all posters who have previously expressed their love for the mass murdering war criminal Hilary Clinton.
Here's where it gets interesting. While America falls over itself to give financial incentives to women and minorities who show any kind of interest in certain areas traditionally associated with white males, Syria under Assad already ensured that women and minorities were well treated and given equal access to every area of society. Outside of the wahhabi controlled areas clinton supporters love, secular muslim nations see plenty of women following careers in advanced subjects. Thta is they did until their nations were bombed back into the stone age by the USA.
The filth pretending to white-knight women at Google are the same filth that cheered from the rooftops when Syria was destroyed, and wave after wave of USA recruited, USA trained, USA funded and USA armed wahhabi terror gangs were sent in to finish off all traces of civilised society in that nation.
Where America partnered with Saudi Arabia- with the full backing of all Clinton voters- Human Rights for women vanished. Curiously this fact is never the basis for stories of Slashdot. But fake news propaganda claiming Assad murders 'programmers' (as seen on slashdot a few days back)- had the Google backing monsters here bashing the Syrian government in the comments in that section.
It is a FACT that during the Iraq war, identical 'atrocity' propaganda was used by the mainstream media in the USA to sell the war. And it is a fact that years later the 'atrocity' propaganda was shown to have been manufactured by the CIA in conjuction with Iraq stooges like 'Curveball' (go google him). Amnetsy Internation, the MI6 operation fronted by so many celebs, produced the infamous 'babies thrown out of incubators' LIE that was used to justify the bass bombing of Iraq and the 'Highway of Death' in the first Gulf War.
But the owners of Slashdot know that the retractions and admittance of wholesale lying is the small print buried in some serious newspaper that very very few even notice. The dribblers that cheer Google over this firing, and cheered when Clinton destroyed Libya and the hopes of every woman there don't even hesitate when proof finally appears that everything they said was based on propaganda falsehoods. Why- cos they're onto to backing the next Deep State propaganda drive stating once again that the 'masters' have all the 'facts' and that ordinary clods don't have the 'expertise' to challenge the words of their 'masters'
Want to understand those here backing Google? Go read 'Animal Farm' again.
He still hasn't learned - it was his whining about "heresy at Google" that got the CEO's attention and showed to him that Google is a large American Corporation and not some sort of anarchists collective.
I doubt if much was read beyond the title of his screed before he was fired.
unfortunately this is also why more peaceful men are not in power and why poor men obtain very little status and have no chance to. the entire system is being chosen for us by the wealthy and what you can do as an individual does not matter.
the women, poor men, and blacks who rise are being chosen to rise for the purpose of whatever the rich controllers of the world desire.
Really? Pulling credential because you dislike the fact that she states the state of the current science and you dislike that state? Really? Well, if she needs her credentials defended (and I suspect she doesn't), her thesis committee did sign her thesis.
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Good comment and most insightful of those that got the mod.
I hope the truth actually comes out in the resulting lawsuit, though I think the legal truth will be completely distorted here. I'm reasonably sure that none of us will be able to recognize the truth after the lawyers get through mangling it.
From one perspective, I'd say it is a double HR problem, one part with policies and another part with the public humiliation related to those policies. I think people are mostly forgetting that the underlying cause was the gender discrimination query related to salaries. If you go back to that level, Work Rules! and other books about the google can give you a lot of insight to what is going on, and Damore's comments fit right into the analysis, though from an awkward perspective.
However the dominant perspective is a religious violation. You may think that human beings are important and deserve respect, and that corporations are soulless immortal monsters inclined towards EVIL and that they should not abuse human beings as wage slaves. Nice thought that, but today's leading religion in America can best be summarized as:
"There is no gawd but profit, and the google is profit's prophet!"
(Actually, I favor the form with "... and Apple, Exxon, Google, and the big banks are the profit's prophets!")
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
... political speech that's claims that women are genetically predisposed towards different technical work than men. That is speech that creates a hostile work environment.
And that's game over.
You've used a sequence of imbalanced approximations to reach an incorrect conclusion. This is clearly not his intent and reading his document to come to this conclusion is deliberate misrepresentation.
This, to me, looks like the opposite of "no discrimination based on sex" or "equal opportunities".
You've touched on what this whole issue boils down to, which is affirmative action. A tenet and sacred cow of the ideology that dominates Google.
Since the position of Damore's detractors can't be supported by logical reasoning, misdirection and strawmen arguments such as 'hostile work environment' and 'inappropriate forum' must be applied. Even when the lies and distortions are so easily disprovable, the sheer zeal in which Damore is being smeared suggests to me that he may have hit a little too close to home in pointing out the hypocrisy.
Look above your head.. find point.
... did her thesis on investigations of sexuality via fMRI, which has famously been used to detect emotions in a dead salmon.
So many people refer to that paper to rubbish fMRI, so few people have read it. Let me TL;DR the article you just referenced for you:
Bennett's point is that a suite of methods known as multiple comparisons correction can allow researchers to maintain most of their statistical power while keeping the danger of false positives at bay.
The point of the salmon study isn't to prove that fMRI shouldn't be used or is worthless. Brain scientists can do things with fMRI machines they otherwise couldn't, said Ed Vul, an MIT neuroscience graduate.
In short; the whole point of the salmon paper was "Yes, fMRI works, but you have to remember to do the stats right."
Going to look up how to boycott Google now and.. Aww dammit!
Here is 4 professors in biology that basically say James Damore was correct, but sure you are the expert. Funny the strongest argument comes from a female PhD in neuroscience. But sure MBAs know more than them and you do too.
http://quillette.com/2017/08/0...
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Hundred_Flowers_Campaign
Again with that one link to that one website? They should really set up some kind of affiliate referral program. Fair is fair.
That LITERALLY means that because of women's biology, they are less likely to make it to positions of leadership.
You are only demonstrating your inability to understand the document here. It's as applicable to populations, not individuals. Meaning biological differences are what discourage more women than men from pursuing positions of leadership. That says nothing about the capabilities of individuals.
A subtle but critical distinction.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
The "Minister of Diversity at Google" did not claim any expertise about the current state of neuroscience, and he didn't claim any nonsense about "White Male Patriarchy". Those are two things that you made up in your mind--they didn't happen in reality. Does that make sense to you? There's no morale equivalence because one party erred in the actual real physical universe and the other offended you exclusively within your imagination.
If you are ready to join us on this plane, why don't you post what the "Minister of Diversity" said which triggered your snowflake reaction? and then we'll deal with the reality of what he actually said.
Naw, that can't be.
It's because he's a massive fucking tool.
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Please point me to a neuroscience textbook that indicates a scientific consensus that female brains are not well adapted to solitary programming (but possibly would do better at "pair programming").
If you're not claiming scientific consensus, then you're saying we should act based on some unproven boutique hypothesis from a subset of the scientists in a completely different field. Do we do that with any other type of science?
If a handful of semiconductor device guys tell us that we should be able to build carbon nanotube quantum computers in a few years, does Google start porting all their software over to that now? If a few chemists somewhere tell us that putting fluoride in the coffee should help us to code better, do we go ahead and start that now? or maybe wait until there's a scientific consensus?
> Fuck if I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Feel free to leave, we'll try to get by without you.
Just like the other idiots here defending him, you ignored his writing.
" I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership."
I'm not misrepresenting anything. I'm quoting him DIFUCKINRECTLY.
That means, to anyone who can read, that he believes that women's biology contributes to them being less likely to be found in positions of leadership. This is why those of us on the left get so fucking frustrated with people like you. You knee-jerk defend him when his sexism is right there in his post. Fuck.
Uhm, no. Nice try, however.
You ignored the word "may." See, the word "may" means something very specific. One thing it does not mean, however, is, "does." It also does not mean "I believe."
So it's not just reading the words, it's understanding what the words actually mean.
Then, of course, there's the variability of the statement. The quote is that the biological differences between men and women mean they have different abilities and preferences. Is this true or untrue? e.g. Can a biological male human give birth? If not, then men and women have different abilities.
If true, then it is theoretically possible that biological differences between men and women influence the way they see the world. Which would mean that there are diverse viewpoints in the world rather than mostly similar viewpoints.
If THAT is the case, it is also theoretically possible that those differing preferences lead populations to prefer one set of attributes over another set of attributes that describe a task for which they are paid money.
Of course, you won't agree that the quote, when broken down, reflects that, so this is useless. Fuck.
"I suggested that at least some of the male-female disparity in tech could be attributed to biological differences."
How could any female employee work with this man, or hope to get a fair assessment from him on their work when he thinks you are biologically inferior to male co-workers, or when because of being female you are unsuitable to certain jobs in tech, engineering or coding.
Oh, well, a young man
Ain't got nothin' in the world these days
I said a young man
Ain't got nothin' in the world these days
Well, you know in the old days
When a young man was a strong man
All the people, they'd step back
When a young man walked by
But you know, nowadays
It's the old man
He's got all the money
And a young man ain't got nothin' in the world these days
I said
Ain't got nothing
Got sweet nothing
Everybody knows that
Everybody knows that
Everybody knows that a young man ain't got nothin'
Ooh, yeah
Everybody knows that a young man ain't got nothin'
In the old, in the old days
...and I have to shut up and not say that women cops are worse at their jobs than male cops...
And I'm being paid a google engineer's salary in exchange for this imposition on my constitutional right on my free speech....
I shall happily comply.
It is such a shame that all you people are so offended about the wrong thing. Look around you and be honest, woman are physically and mentally different from man. Your fight should be about diversity and difference being equally valid. Not about ignoring reality and pretending all is equal.
...man, Google must be the nicest, least authoritarian, near-democracy of a workplace ever. Where I worked, you couldn't send out to co-workers ANY kind of criticism of, or input into, any kind of corporate policy, standards, or work processes. If you had a problem with anything about your work conditions, you took that up with your boss, privately.
If you really needed to discuss hiring policy because you were doing some of the hiring, say, you take THAT up with your boss and have a committee struck to sit about discussing your issues for long enough to write up your concerns and pass them upward. If Management, at its discretion, thought, yeah, our hiring policies need revision, they'd tell you. Otherwise, thanks for sharing, and please go back to implementing the existing policy, and smile while you do it.
Obviously, anybody can gripe at lunch. But leaving a paper trail back to your complaints, would get you at least a talking-to.
How anybody can imagine this guy can sue successfully is beyond me.
Man-splain is just a sexist hate term.
It comes down to the distribution curve of intellect.
;)
Women and men have pretty much the same AVERAGE intelligence, but men have a wider spread: more geniuses AND more idiots.
But only just slightly.
If a company filters to try and pick up genius-level, it's just a simple fact that they're going to get more men in the harvest.
Likewise, if you're looking anywhere for idiots (slashdot is just as useful a source as any), you'll find that the men are over-represented in your result set. [sarcasm]MEN ARE STUPID! MEN ARE STUPID! MEN ARE STUPID![/sarcasm]
There's no genuine conspiracy, it's just the world as we know it.
This kind of spread is probably true for a great many characteristics, beliefs and behaviors, especially when comparing men vs. women.
And this is similarly likely to occur when comparing black vs. yellow vs. white, or homo vs. hetero vs. bi.
Or whatever else you think is important for mankind to listen to you preach about.
But calmly just OBSERVING the emergent effects isn't enough for the desperately helpful - they need a mission, an identifiable enemy, and they'll grab at anything to "help" other people in a vain effort to award themselves brownie points.
I've been there and made the mistake myself many times, an expert "do-gooder" and "ranter", still struggling to recover and adjust.
As for google, well, clearly the executive board is just FULL of MEN (=IDIOTS), so you can only expect braindead over-reactions, right?
See how that works?
And it "works" with just about ANY property, ANY population, ANY measure.
You're going to get disparities, but just don't overthink them or assume that you've discovered something more than simple reality.
Damore poked a bear with a stick, like he was ASKED to do by his own management, and he was too clever by half to ignore the provocation.
He'll learn himself better next time.
"become so ideologically driven and intolerant of scientific debate and reasoned argument?" Your flaw is obvious, you are part of a group of people that ignore John Nash's math. Tough break, you showed promise.
Only experts in Gender Studies should be allowed to comment on gender issues. And they universally agree women are better than men in every way. And their ranks are not polluted by men.
(It is a bit like experts at a psychic conferences about the paranormal -- you will get a solid consensus.)
In fact, he wrote a 10-page memo identifying the problem. Go read it, it's enlightning.
To Terminate, or not to Terminate, that's the question - SCSIROB
That means, to anyone who can read, that he believes that women's biology contributes to them being less likely to be found in positions of leadership.
No, it means that women's biology contributes to them being less likely to WANT to pursue such positions. That's different from what you keep saying.
Pretty simple really.
You knew what you were doing and you knew you'd probably get fired.
You've had your 15 minutes now go find a job on fox news, a&#hole.
He wrote something that was alienating to the majority of Googles customer base effectively giving Google bad press. The fact that it was "internal" is irrelevant he created a situation where google had no choice but to fire him in terms of PR.
That's before going into the facts of whether what he says has merit. You are working for a commercial company, you can't write stuff like that just like you can't write that Jews are great accountants or Asians are good at math... That makes the company responsible for your opinions and they were smart to fire him.
About his claims they are utter nonsense...
- Women are different than men biologically (no shit Sherlock)
- The claim that this is the reason they are under represented can't be proven. There is no experimental basis for that
The fact that Google and other companies need to use corrective gender bias to increase female representation is unrelated:
- It's good politically - Women are a big demographic and so are men who believe in that
- It's great for the GDP - increasing female participation in the workforce is great for the entire country
- It's not a zero sum game - if you look at a micro level it looks like a woman took a job meant for a man but increasing workforce participation doesn't work that way. It increases the market in general and opens new options for everyone
- There is a lot of research that shows that Women with higher skill levels don't apply to the right job because of lacking support network and confidence.
- Diversity is important as the demographic targeted by Google includes Women
- Everyone is doing that and going with consensus is good
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/ma...
Have one look at that graph that shows mens and women's IQ is the same. Then, understanding that Google only chooses high IQ talent, you will know everything you need to about gender discrepancy and tech. Men and women are on average just as smart as each other, but different enough from each other to make a difference in SOME fields, such as tech. That same graph explain also why men outnumber women in some of the worst drugery and dangerous jobs.
Cynical takes:
Damore v. Google finds for Google.
- sjw lawsuits on gender are stifled because Google obviously acted to protect women. Any accusations against Google will sound hollow, given that they fire people who even *say* anything that might hurt women feelz.
Damore v. Google finds for Damore
- sjw lawsuits on gender are stifled because Damore proved that women aren't discriminated against by Google, they just make different life choices than men. Minor payout to Damore, but massive benefit from 1000s of avoided lawsuits from sjws.
It's a hallmark of the 21st century that intelligent people don't even care whether a Darwinistic screed is well written, or even self-consistent, never mind whether it's ridiculous on its face.
Instead we're reduced to watching people argue as Eric Cartman repeats, "I'm only asking questions."
Here's my thinking. While you're working at your amazingly well-paying tech job (I have one of those too), save your random epiphanies about race and sex for your favorite group of drunks at your favorite cigar bar.
Or, you could circulate your boneheaded manifesto on company-wide mailing lists/bboards where it is certain to become public and also publicly associated with your company name, and see where that gets you.
Sort of like creating a hostile work environment for people who don't believe the same things you believe about sex differences, or the second amendment, or the freedom of speech - none of those are protected classes, since they're just opinions. So maybe not illegal, but definitely stupid. And google stepped right into it.
#DiversityInEverythingButThought
Read the quote again.
"differ in part"
"differences may explain"
There's nothing controversial there. Of course men and women differ in part due to biology. No, really, they do.
Of course these differences *may* explain things. Not "they do explain" or "they must explain" but "they *MAY* explain".
To anyone who can read, he believes that men and women differ *IN PART* due to biology (implying that the differ also because of other external factors like socialization), and that this *MAY* explain observed statistical differences.
Why is it that people on the left literally quote him, but don't READ him. You cannot *possibly* defend the assertion that women's biology contributes NOTHING at all to them being less likely to be found in positions of leadership. It's like saying CO2 has zero influence on the climate - it's preposterous.
It isn't sexism if it's the actual truth, and validated by our current scientific understanding. Being controversial and unpalatable doesn't make it incorrect.
Why is this alt-right asshat getting any column space at all.
He deserves to be on unemployment.
Like many other circles, companies and societies, Google is poisoned by Social Justice extremist ideology, which is a decadent corruption of previous virtuous movements. This ideology is a challenge to freedom and democracy, and distracts the people from the real and grave problems of our time. We need to all keep our guards up, and the best defenses are critical thinking, skepticism, rigoruous science, and keeping informed about the world events.
1) Google's management decide to have a quota on how many men and women are supposed to work there.
2) There is an open position. Two people apply for it - a man (more qualified) and a woman (less qualified).
3) The woman is hired because currently there are too few women working for the company.
Strawman, that is not how affirmative action or hiring preferences work -- obviously not because it would be suicidal.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
He positioned his memo as a piece of scientific work while it was just a reflection of his subjective opinion. Even if his speculations were true (and I'm not saying they are), scientific proof requires more than sitting down at your computer desk and typing in a text. But since his memo contained just an speculative train of thoughts, it was evaluated by the group collective the same way religious ideas are and he was judged the same way heretics used to be. Stating what you, or a group of people believe is not scientific proof; it's sheer speculation and he should have known better.
She did wha wha what? My respect for Dr Soh has just doubled. Don't tell me she appears on the cover of Rolling Stones, too.
So her previous work is to be commended for participation in search of something that's more right than magical-religious attitudes towards fMRI. And maybe for the same in assisting Playboy in either becoming less of the same old rouged plastic asshole, or more; depending.
Around the axis of getting worse before getting better we go, like a hot piece of pole-dancing ass. Oh yeah.
SJWs win so much that they are sick of winning now. That's why, they let Trump take home the wins these days.
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OK, James, you've had your 15 minutes of fame. If you are instituting any sort of legal action against Google, though, it's time to shut up. Until the dust settles on legal action, stick to "No Comment".
By creating a hostile work environment, you opened google up to lawsuits from other employees if they didn't fire you. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. Suck it up, snowflake.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
This is called the paradox of tolerance. Karl Popper concluded that:
That you and others prefer other resolutions to the paradox does not mean that Codes of Conduct are inherently wrong.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
http://crookedtimber.org/2017/08/11/from-a-logical-point-of-view/
Quoting the useful bits:
"My contention is that the true underlying distributions of computer programming ability for men, women, liberals, conservatives and any other demographic slices of the population are a) more or less totally unknown, and b) not worth the time and effort to estimate with any precision at all, because c) they are totally irrelevant to the practical questions which anyone interested in them might actually want to solve. This is true whether we’re interested in “get the best engineers for Google” or whether we’re interested in “get fair representation for minority groups and women in the workplace”.
The true underlying distributions would be useful if Google’s hiring process was to select people at random from the population, put them through a standard test of the single “quality” variable of interest, then take the ones who passed the test and discard the ones who failed. As a description of how recruitment processes don’t work, this is pretty spot on. Google (like any other company – I first started making this argument in the 1990s when McKinsey were publishing their incredibly influential, amazingly wrong and massively destructive “War For Talent” series) fills jobs by advertising for vacancies or encouraging through word of mouth and recruiters, using interview questions and tests which might have unknown biases, and recruiting people for their suitability for the roles currently vacant (which is not the same thing as “quality” because companies change all the time but keep the same employees. Each one of these stages is enough of a departure from the random sampling model to mean that the population distributions are not relevant."
Based on the comments here I think it's probably time to cede the Slashdot comments system to the Alt-Right (Entitled Idiot Techbro Division).
I mean the site's always had a slight libertarian bent that was best ignored, but damn it's got stupid in here.
Diversity makes for a fun, productive environment but one thing had to be (as founders believed) addressed early on not to run into a can of warms: the whole "sex issue". In the heavily mixed gender environment, perhaps amplified by long stressful hours, a thought of having sex isn't uncommon. First off, there is absolutely no evidence that male are "worse" in this regard than female - just timing may not coincide, like it or not. Second, everyone consents that people may hit on one another. As long as it's mutually OK'ed and within the established social rules, go for it. The proverbial "get a room" is accommodated too; rooms are for naps, personal calls or quiet enjoyment. To address the constant nagging for sex, the rule is: a discrete sign implying "try me", or "forget it". The first does not imply the approaching person will succeed but the latter means don't even attempt to flirt. Period. After a few months we don't even think about it too much anymore. (why anonymous post: we don't want people to apply for the wrong reasons)
Well good on you for not realizing obvious sarcasm. Not that I blame you. You've been damaged by years of a-holes like John Steward and John Oliver in a way that you can't recognize obvious sarcasm mixed with scathing criticism.
And yes, please tell me about these 'morals' you're talking about? How about the 'morals' of taking an internal memo between colleges and them blast it online in a orgasm of unneeded moral outrage? How about doing so with the explicit intend to remove dissenting opinions? Please, tell me why EXACTLY how that is moral and do it without using your emotional outrage? Seems to me there is literately no better way to create a 'hostile work environment' that systemic oppression of opposition views. Especially when you're being fired for a simple opinion between coworkers.
You see.... uh... You've offended the SJW demographic and... well us being referred to negatively on Twitter looks kinda bad for sales. So... even though, you're totally correct and didn't do anything wrong... we're gonna have to let you go. You understand, don't you? It's nothing personal. It's just that it all turned into such a tweet-storm and it's starting to spill into Facebook.
And?
Is your position that we should hold women at gunpoint and force them to apply for positions of leadership that they don't want?
Don't belong in the workspace. These are explosive topics. A tech company pays you to write code and ship products. Sending a manifesto internally not only wastes everyone's time and energy, but it raises controversy which should not take place at work.
During the Dark Ages the Roman Catholic church had a vice grip over the hearts and minds of the people. Obviously this stifled free thought and innovation. Is Google doing the same thing? You betcha!!!
We have a problem when 'Diversity Officers', start telling CEOs who to hire and fire based on current fad and fashion in politics.
I am not sure how Google will grow in the big world when the management is controlled by Queen Bee females with Greek Lit degrees.
You ought to get your ass fired. I don't care what the topic is.
1 page = memo
2 pages = rambling memo
3+ pages = report
I'm not sure James Damore is the best person to ask why James Damore was fired. Neither am I, but from an outsiders perspective, unless it was James Damore's job to create and disseminate hiring policy, he was probably fired for not doing his job. It appears he spent a lot of time on this. If he took that energy and time and spent it on his actual job, he might still work there.
Google should have stood their ground. It's solid ground to stand on after all. Bash back all the bullshit leftists that can't stand anything other than what they believe in their delusional world. Everyone else must have tolerance of their ideas. They don't tolerate other ideas, at all. We must demand that they tolerate other ideas. If they try to boycott something, everyone should say fuck you and go to your room until you're willing to talk about it like an adult, snowflake.
Didja see the white boy that started to cry just because he saw a confederate battle flag? What an idiot. Wasn't even a good performance.
holy moly, if you've ever wanted to see manufactured outrage over a non issue...
> stern redirection.
To the reeducation camp where man-splainly people are sent for talking out of tone?
At least try to hide it.
The bigot couched the beginning and end of his document to sound very reasonable, which is why he was not fired on the spot... most people do not read the whole thing at first. But his statements in the middle have 2 major major flaws. 1, They demean women and add no new substance to any conversation. 2, They also convolute Google's model of getting code out fast without checking with the Democratic Party and liberalism. There is no connection between the two. I am ultra liberal in politics and ultra conservative in coding. These two things are totally unrelated!
So basically his discussion is utterly flawed, and is a cry from a bigot who happens to be a conservative, (Not all conservatives are bigots) but he is. So Google did the right things and fired him... he has free speech, but companies are free to fire for their own reasons which are totally arbitrary, although I agree with them.
By the way I disagree with Google's coding development model and PR department which is why I do not work for them. But I totally agree with their rational political stance, goals and aims. Good riddance to this horrible employee!
I did. He made up a problem and it's full of logical errors. He must be a poor programmer because he confluates topics that are totally unrelated and some parts seem to be lifted from other documents and segments of his argument do not follow from paragraph to paragraph. There is no enlightenment to be found in his writing, just BS! I come from a school of BS masters and can see it from miles away!
He has no idea what the problem is as he missed it by a mile! He tried to say women are (a stereotype... that has nothing to do with reality) and then coordinated coding models with politics! These 2 main points both make no sense and the coding with politics only makes sense in google. In any other company there is no correlation between coding models and political stances! Its like saying Google codes liberally, therefore as a conservative I am discriminated against. That is nonsense. You can push Google to do conservative coding while it remains a bastion of liberal democracy! His arguments do not follow from line to line. It's total BS!
Considering the sequence of events - employee writes controversial essay and gets fired shortly after it becomes public, I think Google management would need a pretty good argumentation outside the essay to claim another reason for firing Damore.
BTW, I've read the essay and it avoids outright claims of women being inferior. What it does say is that men and women have slightly different aptitudes on average and that for coding jobs men might be more suited. Also, it is worded politely enough to give no offense on that account.
Overall, I think Damore's essay counts as fair debate. It may be legal for Google to fire him, but it is certainly a dick move.
C - the footgun of programming languages
Such a convenient entity: no concrete example of it can be shown, yet it can always be used to excuse women's actions. If a manager is hinting a worker should provide him sexual services in order to be promoted, he can be legally sued. The looks, being mostly a subjective interpretation of others' intentions, is another convenient excuse.
You are making a serious (and criminal) allegations against ~50% of the population, that if are true, should have them trialed and punished. Can you prove your argument?
It's like Salem's witch hunting on a population scale.
No, the 10 page memo was an admission of guilt. HE is the problem. All men who falsely believe they are better at X because they're not women are the problem.
He did discover the problem (himself) though, and pointed it out to the right people to solve it. Excellent work too, I might add.
No f---ing brains ?. Your foul mouth shut down your brain. You really are the Anonymous Coward you claimed.
Jeez this guy thinks he got fired for starting a reasonable discussion. SMH.
I think this pretty much covers it for anyone who is confused why this was so controversial.
https://medium.com/@yonatanzun...
Welcome to the real world. You have a freedom to speak but not freedom from the consequences. If you damage the company you get fired. And don't pretend your comments weren't sexist and aberrant. You might as well have titled it "Hitler - he had some good qualities too". You can argue that societal norms put females at a disadvantage in technical disciplines but implying a biological one is scientifically, morally and historically wrong and is the very definition of sexist. but thank you for reinforcing the stereotype of engineers as socially bumbling fools.
Don't we all have better things to do in IT? The bad guys are doubling up daily and the rest of us are fighting among themselves. Sounds a lot like GoT! We will all be fucked if we don't start respecting one another for what we bring to the table.
Reading this emotional response to google's actions, which appears to jump to a number of conclusions that do not follow, it doesn't exactly fill me with the notion that he has great academic rigour in broaching the topic with his employer.
Post-literate boy, can you put into WORDS the bit you mean so I don't have to watch fifty one minutes of whining just to find a bit ten seconds long?
I had not heard it before your claim so expected you to back it up.
Thank you for the quote because now I do not have to watch fifty-one minutes of men's rights activist shit just for thirty seconds of unsubstantiated hearsay.
You have backed up what you said - Damore not so much.
I still don't get why you guys are foaming at the mouth when a corporation acts like a corporation and fires a naive political activist who believed the lie that "my door is always open". Most of you would have far more experience in a workplace than Damore and should know better.
If nothing else it's a message for millenials - take fucking notes in meetings so you can say something more substantial than "they told me a lot of things that I thought were just not right".
Analogy.
I am part of "everyone else".
I believe that if Google was implicitly or explicitly telling their hiring managers to discriminate based on race or sex, that would be a real illegal activity, and whistleblowing on it would be a moral action.
You say what is "real" to you is "The same as to everyone else obviously."
So, I'll take it that you agree that if Google was implicitly or explicitly telling their hiring managers to discriminate based on race or sex, then Damore did the right thing to call it out, and call the NLRB to complain.
He made correct citations. His arguments were well thought out. He was not disparaging of one sex over the other. He was simply saying what most of us know: Men and women are different. What some people don't seem to understand is that different doesn't mean "better", nor does it mean "worse". It can however mean that, if you have a team made up of both men and women, you'll get a broader solution-set to various problems. You'll have more points of view, more options offered, etc. The two sets of skills will "dovetail", making the combination a positive contribution to a company. Male and female differences are complimentary. They are a good thing.
Stop quoting that fucking Damore idiot - I read it the first time and unless you are as utterly out of your depth as he was you can do better yourself than that pathetic thing.
You've got a brain - use it instead of being a sheep!
Instead of subjecting me again to the phrenology of a fuckwit applying stuff that doesn't fit from a field he thinks he understands to one where he's below average how about you find something more productive to do that hopefully makes you look less like an easily led naive idiot.
His shit is fucking voodoo.
Quoting it just makes you look as stupid as he is especially since coding at google is not exactly a high stress situation. If his shit was real it that would make coding at google the ideal career for women instead of something high stress with life or death consequences like nursing. That's how fucking stupid it is.
My dad was a public university professor. He used to say governments fund universities to provide creative and freethinking people a contained, well-provisioned and self-appreciating environment so that they don't spill over to the normal world and create a revolution.
Google is not a public university. It hires smart people to hopefully create great products - not start a social revolution.
If Mr. Damore were in UC Berkeley, for instance, he would not have been fired. On the other hand it would have belonged in research journal and a few thousand people would have read it and said "huh... sounds normal". The fact that he is a Google insider makes the "market value" of the letter very high!
If the company doesn't suppress this kind of behavior, then all those smart people in there will start spending more time writing such things as opposed to building great products.
I am not necessarily supporting Google's decision or Mr. Damore's letter. Just stating that it is a normal way of doing business !!