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Bing is 'Bigger Than You Think', Says Microsoft (onmsft.com)
Microsoft said this week that Bing is "bigger than you think" and provided some numbers that could be a surprise to many. The company claims that fully one-third of searches in the US are powered by Bing, either directly or through Yahoo or AOL (both of which provide results generated by Microsoft). From a report: With 9% market share worldwide and 12 billion monthly searches, almost half of that (5 billion) comes from the United States where Bing has 33% market share.
"Google"
What's so horrible about google?
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
That and many browsers will have its default search engine as Bing or Yahoo. And still they are #2 behind Google.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
After they weaseled Win10 onto everyone and set it as the default search engine, does this really come as a surprise?
It's controlled by a big corporation, so you should use Bing instead.
"People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. Why would they name a service that you use to Google things "Bing"?
I haven't found any real advantage of Bing over Google other than some cosmetic stuff. I remember Microsoft Adds a while back showing that without the cosmetic differences Bing and Google were not differential. Which pretty much failed. Because if you are already using one product why would you change over to an other product that does the same thing?
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
search Bing for whatever porn you want, let's say tentacle henai, then click on the "Video" tab. It will pull up lots of videos of tentacle hentai. Also you can watch these videos from Bing search results without going to the video's originating website (which can be very sketchy and full of malware)
This is just more fake news from Microsoft. Most people don't care what search engine they use and probably have no idea how to change the default anyway, so they use whatever is there so long as they find what they want. If you snuck into their houses and changed it to Google they not only wouldn't care, they probably wouldn't even notice. In fact it would be hilarious if some black-hat (or white-hat for that matter) created malware that changed everyones default search engine to anything but Bing.
Using your monopoly power to force Windows 10 users to perform any Contana search request through Bing sure helps... but of course Google isn't much better.
I don't care how big Google or Bing is. Search is a commodity now. I don't really care which farm grew my morning grapefruit either.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
I will just leave this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I suspect many non-porn Bing searches are variations on "How do I set Google as my default search?"
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
I've been proudly using Bing every since Google trampled on Free Speech and fired James Damore.
Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
Google values censorship.
OMG a megacorp likes censorship! Fucking knock me over with a feather.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
You would think that Google would own search via API, but actually Google's APIs for searching the whole web are surprisingly shitty. Bing's on the other hand perform just as well, require no configuration, and are far less expensive.
http://www.techradar.com/news/bing-dong-microsoft-search-engine-serves-up-ri-dick-ulous-sand-shlong
Bing
Is
Not
Google.
I rest my case.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
About 40% are how to switch to Google as default.
60% are from Microsoft's AI, Tay trying to search how to meet sexy alt-right single men.
Tay keeps re-submitting because bing thinks she wants to buy packs of American Singles. White cheese, of course!
Nope, that is actually right around what I would have guessed.
The only time I use Bing is when Firefox screws up and somehow changes the default from Google to Bing. Now someone tell me why this keeps happening so I can fix it and get that 9% down to 8.9% for the rest of world.
..." that fully one-third of searches in the US are powered by Bing, ..."
Only because there are so many browsers that MS has managed to get Bing setup as the default search engine. The worst was my Thunderbird email client. Not only did it have Bing set as the default search engine, but MS had somehow made it so that Google was not on the list of selectable search engines if you wanted to change from Bing. You actually have to install an add-on to get Google as a search option. I wonder how much they 'donated' to Thunderbird for that one.
"Bing is 'Bigger Than You Think', Says Microsoft"
Alas nobody else says this.
... how?
They put up a story that isn't about Trump or the Google memo, and you're complaining?
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
What's wrong with pornhub?
To be fair, Google is the default search on chrome, and that includes many smartphones (which are a very popular device to run searches on these days)
After Google's stupidly-botched and poorly-justified handling of the Damore memo incident, I'm giving Bing more of my search traffic, along with DuckDuckGo. It's clear that viable alternatives have to be kept alive so that when we disagree with a giant's policies we have elsewhere to take our business.
So, after all these years, Bing remains so irrelevant that you have to resort to proclaiming that it is not irrelevant?
It doesn't have to be deliberate for MS to count it as a win.
Keep doing business with megacorps that censors because free speech is an antiquated idea that should be burned. It's not like megacorps are the gatekeepers to the internet or anything.
"I care more about the label on the boot that's on my neck than the boot itself."... You're a tool.
What's so horrible about google?
1. Their search results have gotten progressively worse of late. it's either so fuzzy as to have half the top results completely irrelevant, or "verbatim" won't come up with anything because of spacing or the literal order of words is incorrect.
2. Search for "driver download" and you'll get some very shady websites, many of which don't actually provide driver downloads...and they do nothing about it. Same for "teamviewer" and other legitimate tools that get hijacked by "your computer has a virus" websites. If they want to perpetuate the blurring between the URL bar and the search bar, that's fine, but literally nobody has Googled for teamviewer and been okay with the sketchy sites that rank very high.
3. Overall creepiness. They collect *a lot* of data, even if users go out of their way to avoid it. Though they *say* they'll be responsible with it (and to be fair, so far they appear to have done so), it's incredibly difficult to opt out of data collection, because so much of the web depends on them (go ahead, disable Google Fonts and Google AMP and see what happens to the internet...)
4. Questionable practices - preferring faster sites is understandable, defining 'faster' as 'using Google AMP' is shady. Ad blockers are one thing, but adding an ad blocker to a browser that has a controlling slice of the market when 90% of their revenue comes from ads is 90's Microsoft levels of monopoly.
5. E-mail is a great thing. Gmail has twisted it very heavily from being an analog of letter-based correspondence to being a de facto chat client, and twisting POP and IMAP to make it less practical to use a third party mail client, and require an obscurely placed setting to allow third party clients to connect via standard protocols...and it's not getting better.
6. Discontinuing useful services and changing UIs and APIs to make things less useful (Reader, iGoogle, their 1,001 chat clients, none of which are XMPP compliant anymore, the list goes on).
7. On Android specifically, mandating profitable things ('Play Store' must be on the first page) but not openness-based things (mandating unlocked bootloaders or that shipped apps can be removed if not a core function). Yes, they sell their reference phones, but if they're going to have requirements that are purely for profit reasons, there's no reason they can't mandate Samsung do the same thing.
Now yes, I know there are rebuts to most of these items, but collectively Google has a stranglehold on the internet advertising market and controls enough of the internet infrastructure that avoiding them is near impossible, I do expect better behavior out of them.
Seriously, do Microsoft employees actually use Bing? Back in the day when we had HotBot, WebCrawler, Yahoo, etc., etc., they would all produce independently useful and alternative results. These days, for better or for worse, the only tangible results seem to come from Google. I'm sure there's alternatives but Microsoft is not one of them.
He had a real self-effacing humor which played off well against Frank Sinatra's brash cockiness.
#DeleteChrome
To be fair, try using Google Assistant without using Google Search.
If you want a VIABLE alternative then look to DuckDuckGo, not bing... never bing... never, ever bing...
I forced myself to use DuckDuckGo for a month, by the end of the month, I was rerunning most of my searches with the "!g" tag to do the search on Google since DuckDuckGo results weren't what I was looking for.
Viable how?
Google's results have ben in decline for a while, but for anything even slightly non-trivial Bing rarely even gives more than one or two results in the first page that are actually relevant. Every time I use them it's like returning to the bad old days when Alta Vista and Ask Jeeves. (I do computer repair, so end up doing a lot of searches on other people's computers with the default engine)
--- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
Keep doing business with megacorps that censors because free speech is an antiquated idea that should be burned. It's not like megacorps are the gatekeepers to the internet or anything.
Hey, I'm a leftie, screaming my lungs out about corporate power, regulatory capture and monopolies is my bread and butter. So I'm hazing you for being late to the party you precious little snowflake.
"I care more about the label on the boot that's on my neck than the boot itself."... You're a tool.
Nice strawman. Now go vote for some communists who'll actually try to break apart the googles of this world, cuz the GOP sure as shit isn't going to bother.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
This is also what I always say before getting kicked out of the bed :(
... how?
Viable alternative to google/news, which is teh suck and getting worse.
Oh, some googley googler had mod points today, and hanging on Slashdot instead of working, mercy me. Look... the rot that is eating Google out from the outside... you are part of it.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
If they aren't prepared to handle the global market they will remain strong. They keep launching products with US centric features and relevance and are extremely slow to grow support in other countries and cultures.
Twinstiq, game news
What's so horrible about google?
I said google news, not "google". Google is another issue. Figure out what's horrible about Google for yourself. I well help you with google news: it sucks, the format is crap, the concept is crap, the news search is crap, it gets worse with each revision... what the fuck. What are they thinking.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
No, this is the real Bing. BING!
Well, except google is also a convicted monopolist.
I'm hazing you for being late to the party
You don't know any position I have or held particularly so on this topic. Why are you generalizing and treating me as a group instead of an individual?
ow go vote for some communists
why would anyone be a communist with such a body count? I also think that I own my labor and can sell it at my discretion and economic transactions are not inherently evil.
You know. Never mind. I don't want to have a conversation with an ideologue that treats an individual as a group through generalizations and ideological purity tests. You are why we can't have nice things.
Microsoft will literally pay you to use Bing. They'll give about a third of a cent per search in rewards. And I still don't use it.
Bing is the default in a lot of corporate systems. It's like that where I work, and we can't even change the bookmarks.
But I think the big thing is simply that it's the default to Siri.
You don't know any position I have or held particularly so on this topic.
You do know your entire commenting history is available at the click of a button, right?
Having said that, I apologize. I didn't realize you were an ardent anti-monopolist. We'll get those megacorps eventually, comrade!
You are why we can't have nice things.
Jebus! Go find your safes space already.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
It would be physically impossible for Bing to be smaller than I think it is.
Inheritance is the sincerest form of nepotism.
https://www.ftc.gov/news-event...
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/09/05/ftc-fines-google-19-million-for-kids-app-misuse
And that's not all of it.
Jack of all trades,master of none
That's not really fair, because GOOGLE MAKES CHROME. Also, GOOGLE MAKES ANDROID.
Firefox changed it's default search from Google to Yahoo (which uses bing). It's troublesome to change the default to Google, but it's worth it. While you're at it, DELETE bing and yahoo from the list because some updates will change your default to them for you.
and i am sure you read that commenting history, right?
u r my safe space.
only thing better than a dead commie is a dying commie telling me where more commies are.
DDG uses Bing as one of its primary search engines. Just an interesting factoid.
I would never search in Bing, not because I might think they can't provide the service, which they can, but for ethical reasons.
What's so horrible about google?
The quality of Google's search results has fallen fairly dramatically over the past few years, to the point where it's no longer superior to engines like Bing.
Google News recently made changes that has eliminated its usefulness for a lot of people. Bing News has become a better alternative for many of those people.
As is Microsoft.
It's how you use it.
That's very strange. One of the pleasant surprises I had when I start using DDG was that the search results I got tended to be much better than what I was getting out of Google.
Neither are perfect, of course.
Because I block Bing on my firewall as I discovered Microsoft was using it for the Windows 10 phone home. Just block 65.52.108.210, 204.79.197.200 and 13.107.21.200 - buh bye Bing! And it's funny my firewall logs - it's all hits to those IP's. So I know I blocked the right ones. So far nobody on this network has complained and there are about 8 of us using it. And not a single Windows mobile device either.
But Google does NOT make iPhone, yet the default search there is Google (for lots of $$ it's been revealed) so that's no different than Firefox (I doubt Firefox made the change for free)
Thing is, there's always a default, maybe there shouldn't be, maybe on first boot you should have to chose, but as long as search engines pay mega-bucks to be the default, there will always be a default, and it's not unique to MS.
The one that is however less fair is when MS releases a "critical update" that reverts your search engine to Bing after you've manually changed it. That's pretty underhanded.
and i am sure you read that commenting history, right?
The only interesting thing to read on the internet is comment threads, so pretty much, yeah.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
De-fault! De-fault! De-fault!
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
When you have the dominant engine, everyone out there will be trying to subvert your engine to get their (usually spam) pages to show up first... Exactly the same thing happened to altavista.
http://spamdecoy.net - free throwaway anonymous email - avoid spam!
Accordingly to my access logs, bingbot is extremely aggressive compared to other search engine bots... It seems to request the same files repeatedly, over and over... At one point my server was pushing a steady 20mbit/sec of traffic to bingbot.
http://spamdecoy.net - free throwaway anonymous email - avoid spam!
Nothing about how Google has pushed Chrome through dubious means to be the #1 browser, which, by default, uses Google for searching.
They both are playing fast and loose.
"He's lost in a 'floyd hole"
Let me guess, it's not the size but how you use the search?
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
only interesting thing to read on the internet is comment threads
clearly you have never read the Linux manual. sig be damned.
I use it deliberately - when Siri searches something for me. That is the only time.
Apple is paid billions by Google to keep it the default search engine in the iOS system, yet when Siri searches for you it uses Bing.
Procrastination; I'll think of a sig tomorrow.
Nah, I've read it. It was a while ago, though. So I've moved on. Living in the past is for suckers.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
I use it for their reward system, I earn like $5 from amazon, or can use it to earn credits in their Microsoft store for games/videos.
Good enough search results for me. I'll still use google occasionally, but getting $5 amazon e-credit takes little, to no effort.
If Google was really that good they wouldn't have to Bribe Apple and Mozilla to embed it into their products?
10/10 would read ur comment again.
..and it all runs on Intel, another convicted monopolist.
"His name was James Damore."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Bing comes as a default search engine (as does Edge), it's obligatory to use in Windows 10S, and Microsoft offers freebies for people who use it (a big reason why the percentage is so big in the US - Bing rewards is not available in several countries).
Sure, some people use and like it, but I'd say 9% worldwide is a huge failure when you are trying to sway the market with agressive strategies like those.
As is Google.
I see a pattern forming here.
Microsoft owns the default, and fools leave it alone.
Me, I prefer privacy: Duck Duck Go.
excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
That wouldn't be hard
(stolen from coworker)
I use Bing because it makes competition in the market place. For advanced searches I still use Google, but that's just because my google-fu is better.
As long as it does not become "too big to fail"
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
Bing is better than google at finding Porn.
It has a better video view interface too.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
doesn't duckduckgo use bing as its backend search engine?
I am not a robot. I am a unicorn.
Since Google has changed it's policy from "do no evil" to "do the right (alt-left) thing", the purging of James Damore for a well written, thoughtful document that challenged the alt-left ethos https://medium.com/@Cernovich/... was the last straw for me. I have switched away from Google as my default search engine, removed the Chrome browser from my PC and directed all meaningful email away from my Gmail account. I have also switched from ABP to a pi-hole to deny all ad revenue to the leaches.
Google used to be a great tech company, but it is clear that they are no longer interested in science or the truth if it contradicts their worldview and are only secondarily interested in innovation. For a company through which the vast majority of the information in the world is filtered, that is a very bad thing. They are no longer interested in the most accurate results, they are interested in the right results, whatever they might determine that might be. They were already caught interfering with the autocomplete suggestions when searching for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 elections. I suspect that they will continue to dramatically lose market share until they get a CEO who cleans house of all the SJW types in positions of power and gets back to focusing on the core technology.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
or "verbatim" won't come up with anything because of spacing or the literal order of words is incorrect.
It's amazing that verbatim doesn't show up when you get the word order wrong...
Search for "driver download" and you'll get some very shady websites, many of which don't actually provide driver downloads
Yep, as link like 5+ after the vendor's website at the top.
Same for "teamviewer"
Just tried it and got:
1. TeamViewer's website.
2. TeamViewer on the google play store.
3. TeamViewer on cnet's download.
4. TeamViewer on Filehippo's download.
5. TeamViewer's wikipedia entry
6. TeamViewer on the iTunes store
7. TeamViewer on the Windows store.
and the next button.
Literally the entire page was nothing but links to the official teamviewer download locations.
And the rest of your post is just personal opinion.
I agree that monopolies can be unhealthy.
More detail about the ethics: Microsoft pays Mozilla Foundation through Yahoo to make Bing the default search engine in Firefox. Bing is used by a lot of people because they don't know about other options. That isn't "popular".
Windows 10 is used by a lot of people because they were forcefully switched away from their original Microsoft OS version. That isn't "popular".
I think it is instructive that Bing is being used behind the scenes where users are not actually choosing it. Beyond that, they mentioned AOL and Yahoo. Their users are the most unsophisticated users on the Internet and may not even be aware of other search options.
The one computer I own that does run Win10 has Bing blocked.
Since Microsoft has a habit of every patch returning Bing and Microsoft Edge to be the default; 1/3 of the internet searches sounds right with the percentage of clueless net users that have no clue how to change defaults.
NRRPT/RCT