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Disney Is Pulling Star Wars and Marvel Films From Netflix (arstechnica.com)
Disney CEO Bob Iger announced on Thursday that his company will pull the full catalog of films from the Star Wars franchise and Marvel universe from Netflix after 2019. Last month, Disney announced it would be pulling a number of Disney titles from the Netflix catalog, but left the door open to keeping the Star Wars franchise and Marvel films. That door has since been slammed shut, "choosing instead to use movies like Iron Man, Captain America, and the forthcoming Star Wars: Episode IX as a draw to a new Disney-owned streaming service," reports Ars Technica. From the report: It's not clear exactly which films are affected by Iger's announcement. A Netflix spokesperson told The Verge last month that "we continue to do business with the Walt Disney Company on many fronts, including our ongoing deal with Marvel TV." That refers to a collaboration between Disney and Netflix to produce several live-action television series based on lesser-known Marvel characters Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage. Some of those series are still being actively developed. It's a high-risk gamble for Disney. It makes sense for Disney to bring its best-known franchises back under its own roof to give the Disney streaming service the best possible chance of success. But Disney is leaving a lot of money on the table by not doing a deal with Netflix or one of its competitors. It could be an expensive mistake if the Disney streaming service doesn't get traction.
And nothing of value was lost. For me anyway.
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As per previous discussions on this. FUCK YOU DISNEY! I will not support service proliferation in this manner no matter what movies you have that I may want to watch. You are basically trying to create the exact same licensing, package lockin and distribution restrictions we fled to these streaming services to escape.
service. said no one ever. The rates they'll charge itll be cheaper to buy the titles you like, or simply pirate them. My price elasticity has already tapped out for these services.
I'm certain they'll eventually show up on Amazon Prime or Netflix in the future. I probably have a good 5 years of movies in my queue as it is that I can finish up first.
it's probably only going to work with i-devices
They'll still be available on Exodus though. Won't they?
I won't be watching disney/marvel films then. If they don't want my entertainment money, there's plenty of people who do.
Disney will have to go with a yearly subscription model if it wants serious revenue from the people those movies attract.
Disney's animated stuff for kids can go with a monthly model and expect revenue to keep pouring in because kids watch things over and over and over again.
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First DRM now fracturing. Instead of banding together to provide a real alternative to Cable they are all fighting for the table-scraps. Did anyone expect anything else
all I need to know is...will they leave them on BitTorrent?
until you're either paying for the streaming service or just not watching their stuff. And if you have kids you're pretty much stuck buying their stuff. Sure, you can skip it, but you're kids are going to be the odd man/girl out. They're gonna come off as weird because they won't have that shared culture everybody else has of which Disney is a part. Kinda like those oddball religious kids. We all had a few at our schools, maybe some of us where that kid. But I remember pretty much everyone keeping their distance not because there was anything wrong with them but because it was just hard for them to relate.
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It will be followed with a spike in piracy and less revenue for Disney
Bye Felicia!
And if you have kids you're pretty much stuck buying their stuff. Sure, you can skip it, but you're kids are going to be the odd man/girl out.
They'll live. You don't have to stream their crap for your kids to experience it. Disney has just about saturated itself out of the market IMHO
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
force you to buy it with internet like ESPN on cable tv. Hell the ISP have TV so the mouse can pull this off you don't want to be the tv service that does not have ABC / ESPN / Disney right?
And those dumb ass companies still wonder why people turn to illegal downloads. Consumers don't what to pay $50 per month for several streaming services to watch those few series or movies they like. So, no Disney, Piss off. Although I really liked watching Jessica Jones and Luke Cage on Netflix and hate to see it go, I won't pay a single dime for your streaming service.
It doesn't have to be like this. All we need to do is make sure we keep talking.
Oh, hey, The Pirate Bay has plenty of "Disney" content.
Looks like I can get what I want. Disney: you will play with Netflix or you will get nothing at all. Same goes for HBO with their Game of Thrones bullshit. This streaming service fragmentation needs to end immediately. Back to piracy we go!
Marvel is crap, so nothing lost there. Star wars? Meh. If it doesn't have a death star in it, I can buy the DVD.
This. Every dang studio and every dang TV network is planning to have their very own subscription service for $$/month, just to see the one program of interest that they have, and I'm not doing it. I would probably have watched the new Star Trek series, but I'm not paying CBS $$/month subscription for their package of crap I'll never watch just for that one program.
I hadn't been tempted to go pirate before, but this is making me waver...
People care more about the content than the medium it's delivered on. Let's see, we watched Disney movies in the theater, then bought them on tape, then bought them on DVD, then streamed them online via $cable_company, then Netflix and now Disney's Service.
Who always made money in all those forms? Disney. Not the movie theater, the VHS tape mfg/distributor, video stores, DVD mfgs etc etc... Disney.. People will be wanting to watch Disney flicks for the next upteen years.
Same thing with all the other content.
We could have a scenario where every content owner has their own streaming service, so you pay them $10/mo, and then buy an aggregator box/service on top of them (Roku etc). Now you're back to paying $100/mo.
We haven't seen ESPN do it with sports, but once they get around to streaming it standalone (and not requiring a cable provider), it's gonna sell like gangbusters.
I was one of those oddball religious kids (you insensitive clod).
Really I was. My parents didn't approve of most TV or any movie that wasn't rated G (and even some of those were suspect) and of course forget about all that horrible music everybody listened to.
I had to beg for months to get to see Star Wars - it was hard work and finally reluctantly my mother took me and my brother and she even admitted it "wasn't that bad". Blockbuster movies seemed to stay in theaters forever back then but if that had been today Netflix would probably have it before I got to see it.
Fuck Disney
I think Disney's service is not going to be successful long term. There's only a finite amount of money available to spend on streaming services.
Yep, I wouldn't be surprised if revenue goes down because kids can now binge watch for a set monthly fee instead of continuously begging mom and dad for another DVD to add to the pile.
...lesser-known Marvel characters Daredevil...the rest I agree with, but Daredevil?!?
Yeah, get off my lawn!
This worked out so well for every other media company trying to cash grab and reinvent the wheel!
(actually hbo go is doing pretty well but that is an entirely different creature...well more of a 'like' creature)
... pirates continue to have unfettered access to the Star Wars and Marvel films.
Seriously, Disney, if you take away the convenience of netflix and try to strong arm us into subscribing to yet another streaming service, I can't imagine it going as well as you'd like.
This.
As an adult, I can enjoy a Disney movie. As an adult, I do not enjoy watching their other child oriented programming. (Which makes sense. A successful movie will appeal to both children and their parents. Series need only target children.)
Now I cannot justify subscribing to a dedicated service for the privilege to watch the movies. I will not spend the outrageous sums to see it in a theatre or to buy a copy. Getting it through a service like Netflix though, sure I'll watch it. I realise that this makes me a far-from-ideal customer. On the other hand, I've got to wonder how many of those far-from-ideal customers contribute to the bottom line - particularly when many of us are willing to wait the year or two it takes companies like Disney to milk the big paying customers.
Isn't Pirates of the Caribbean a Disney title?
I mean they already like pirates, so...
Seriously though, I already pay explicitly for one streaming service (Netflix) and implicitly for a second (Amazon Prime, but streaming is secondary reason for account ownership). I'll not pay for a third, and will elect to visit whatever the replacement for TPB is instead and stream from there.
The value add Netflix brings is that they aggregate several publisher's works into one dead simple interface. I'm confident that if tomorrow Netflix disappeared and was replaced by a separate service for each publisher (what Disney's basically doing) two things would happen:
1) Piracy would skyrocket
2) *someone* would make a front-end that re-aggregated all the services into a unified UI and would be attacked by the media cartel instantly.
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5.00/Mo is fine for Disney streaming. Cheaper than going to the Cinema, and I can binge on 2-3 Movies, Cancel, wait for the next release, or promo, rinse, repeat. There is always the library too, for 0.00, or of course, the sneakernet.
1) Netflix stopped being of value in general around 5 years ago, I hung on out of nostalgia/stubbornness for a couple of years, but cancelled a year ago and haven't missed it.
2) Disney is even less relevant.
Not sure if the "content providers" realize it, but fracturing the user base the way they are trying to do by all wanting to own their private kingdoms will ultimately hurt them as their potential audiences just dwindle. Not saying it's going to lead to increased piracy (although it may), but that it's just going to lead to something worse for them...complete irrelevance.
These days almost all smart TVs have Netflix app. Unless Disney is going to create good apps for all the smart TV platforms, it will be easier to just download from pirate bay and play it on the TV with a USB stick
ESPN is mostly owned by disney, FWIW
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Don't even bother do pirate Disney movies from now on.
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Hopefully this cozy relationship between media creators and distribution channels will eventually be unraveled. Long ago, movie studios used to have ownership stakes in the theaters their movies were shown in. The government put an end to that. I'd like to see the same competition law kick in and force Disney to keep streaming contracts with outside firms.
"I would probably have watched the new Star Trek series, but I'm not paying CBS $$/month"
If you're in the US, not sure that's an issue. Isn't CBS still free over the air??
Disney may take their content and go home but Netflix will persist. Maybe if they listened to customers more and invested in script development they'd have a chance. Besides, Disney's pretty much out of old stories to steal.
HAH. Throw the dozens of Disney kids shows and it's ridiculously huge catalog of movies on there and people will be LINING UP to throw money at it to babysit their kids.
You may want to start paying attention to things. So you don't type stuff that everybody knows is just wrong. To clarify, CBS all access is a subscription service, not the same as CBS. Extra words make a difference.
Copyright law gives content creators exclusive control over how their work is distributed. I agree that it's too much control, but government anti-trust law is powerless here because it's a right granted by the government in the first place.
We need to modify copyright law if we want to change it. But need I remind you that Disney is the company who successfully managed to shove life + 90 years copyright duration down our collective throats to protect Mickey Mouse.
Any other studio wouldn't try this because of the potential backlash from upset consumers. Disney thinks they can get away with it because kids are going to bug their parents into getting a subscription so they can watch the Disney stuff, principles be damned. And I suspect they're right.
Sorry Disney, there's no way I'm subscribing to yet another TV subscription service that's most likely going to be over priced for what it's offering. Lack of regular content update will make it a tough sell..
Considering Disney makes literally the worst POSSIBLE choices every time as far as distribution of their product, I'd say Netflix should see this as validation.
VHS? Disney ran SCREAMING away from it, insisting it was going to destroy filmmakers, finally grudgingly dragging itself back to VHS...about the time DVDs came out.
DVD? Hahaha, Disney (insisting such tech would destroy filmmakers and the entire industry) backed the original Divx, which was a rental scheme by which you could buy the disk for about triple the price of a movie rental, and you could then play it (once it validated itself and your purchase in what was essentially an early IoT-locked dvd player) for 48 hours. If you wanted to play it past that 48 hours, you could pay again. (http://www.dvdjournal.com/extra/divx.html)
So...pretty much any tech that Disney's terrified of will soon become the defacto standard.
-Styopa
If you're in the US, not sure that's an issue. Isn't CBS still free over the air??
That depends on if you own a HDTV with a tuner built in, and if you've bought an HDTV antenna.
I'll not pay for a third, and will elect to visit whatever the replacement for TPB is instead and stream from there.
You mean TPB? Every time they kill it, it comes back. I swear, it's some kind of phoenix always rising from its own ashes...
2) *someone* would make a front-end that re-aggregated all the services into a unified UI and would be attacked by the media cartel instantly.
Attacks for that are seriously doubtful. "Guardians of the Galaxy is only available if you purchase the Disney Streaming service. [Purchase now?]" As long as you still have to pay their service fees to get their shows, they won't care. Aggregate services are fine, competing services are not.
The new Star Trek is CBS All Access only.
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Seriously, how many streaming services do these people think we'll fork out for? It's like they're begging us to hoist the Jolly Roger.
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and thats it with trek and star wars now dead , htere is no need for tv or movies.....and its gaming that is all thats left
How is this news when it happens just a wee bit less than 1.5 years from now? Party on Wayne.. Party on Garth. =P
I wonder what paying for a combination of Internet services like Netflix, HBO, Disney, Amazon, and etc. sounds like? Cable?....Is that you? Fuuuuuuuck that. The sad part is, I know too many people 20+ that would waste their money on a Disney version of Netflix.
>"If you're in the US, not sure that's an issue. Isn't CBS still free over the air??"
CBS has explicitly said they are NOT going to air the new Star Trek and have it ONLY on their streaming service. There are absolutely ZERO other shows most of us want from CBS, so this is likely to go over like a lead balloon. So they will have very little streaming revenue and zero ad revenue. I suspect they will give up and air it anyway after they discover people will not tolerate it and it ends up very popular on illegal file sharing.
The rates they'll charge itll be cheaper to buy the titles you like...
Yeah, sure. Have you seen the price of Disney titles in stores? They're nearly always more than New Release titles, even Fantasia at a whopping 50 years old.
Disney also owns ABC, ESPN, and A&E. If we had the programming from 10 years ago being current in 2019, they would be in a strong position. Today, not so sure. Fundamentally, they think they are worth more than they are to most people holding the wallet. There are outliers though, so it will be interesting.
The CNET article was a bit more concise in its treatment of the Defenders question.
Netflix will keep the original Marvel TV series it produced, namely "The Defenders" and the four series focusing on each character, such as "Daredevil." As the Defenders are officially part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, you may need both streaming services to keep up to date with the whole shebang.
In my case, this is all I care about. I see all Star Wars and Marvel movies at the theatre, and I almost never watch anything twice. So, I've never used Netflix to see one of those movies.
The original programming is a completely different story. I would have been very angry if the viewing time I'd spent on that were wasted (I'll never get a Disney service).
If the movies weren't crap, I might actually care.
Well done Bob, well done: I'm cancelling my Netflix account as well. With my 28 MB per second internet connection, who need multitude of legal streaming services anyway, huh Bob?
Disney should sue themselves in civil court, the charges being that their very own actions encourage people to pirate their content. With some luck, they could get a nice settlement out of it. From themselves.
Morons...
You want $CurrentSeries (20th century Fox) on Bluray? Fuck you, customer! Buy a single language HD-Stream with lowered Bitrates on Amazon or get lost!
Wait what? There is a new Star Trek?!
For Disney to succeed... they'd have to change their name to Marvel.
CBS is a perfect example of how these old industries don't understand technology. A lot of piracy these days is via streaming sites - Game of Thrones piracy was about 85% streaming sites this year. So CBS thinks "people like streaming, so if we make a streaming site we can charge $15/month they will flock to it. We are a premium content channel after all, and this is our premium Star Trip franchise."
Beyond that they see an opportunity to become the cable company, to milk the customers for ridiculous amounts of money every month. Those days are coming to an end, people won't pay that sort of money any more. Streaming is popular precisely because the cable model, the channel model is so unattractive.
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So my days of pirating shit isn't done, thought I would finally be "legit" and just stream all my stuffs, looks like that is not going to be the case. There is no way I am paying x/month for x number of streaming services. Hell, I've practically watched everything I want to watch on Netflix (at least in my country). The only way I would be remotely interested in Disney's streaming service is if I had kids, which i don't so they can shove it and I will pirate the 2 or 3 Disney things I actually do want to watch.
There are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third is statistics.
2) *someone* would make a front-end that re-aggregated all the services into a unified UI and would be attacked by the media cartel instantly
From what I can tell, the PS4 already sorta aggregate all the streaming services into a single front-end.
I have noticed that the Pixar/Disney movies at my local store are more expensive than the other movies, never seen with a discount sale, so I NEVER buy Pixar/Disney movies on blu-ray.
Which is assuming ST:D is going to be popular, and I've never heard of a popular STD.
Apple scored big with iTunes and getting nearly all the music that anyone cares about being easily available in a non-DRM format.
We (the general populace) needs the same for video content - TV shows & movies.
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Fuck 'em. We are getting the infinitely better Star Trek anyway.
So they did make some good decisions about distribution
service. said no one ever. The rates they'll charge itll be cheaper to buy the titles you like, or simply pirate them. My price elasticity has already tapped out for these services.
Most of those Marvel titles that I actually want to watch more than once I already own anyway, I don't use streaming to watch stuff that I have a DVD or Blu-Ray disc for.
The others will probably go with a yearly subscription as well, or people will start "service hopping": subscribe to 1 or 2 different streaming services each month and binge their stuff, then switch again the next month. Or they will do what purveyors of online porn already tried a while ago: keep only a subset of your archives online in any given month, and rotate the selection. Or they might offer pay per view options at silly prices, i.e. 5 bucks for a movie.
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Don't worry, they'll just roll it into your broadband bill and you'll pay for it whether you watch it or not, like ESPN already does.
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Pro-tip: an old antenna works for HDTV.
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Excluding Marvel cartoons, the only Marvel movies on Netflix (streaming) from the past 10 years are Doctor Strange and Captain America Civil War.
The only Star Wars film on Netflix is Rogue One.
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I know that precedent may not mean much, but film studios used to own a larger chunk of the theaters in the USA. They would distribute their films at lower rents to those theaters. Way back in the 30's and 40's they were sued and went all the way to the Supreme Court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Paramount_Pictures,_Inc.). The studios lost and had to divest. Different era, but there are similarities. I don't see this going to court because there are so few streaming services now as compared to independent theaters back in the 30s, but it is interesting that what once was old is new again.
So don't give them your money, ever. If you wanna watch their shit, pirate it.
Remember old cable? I mean really old cable. Back from when it was new and shiny. Hard to get to your area, I know, but those that got it, wasn't it awesome? You bought "cable" and you got like 50 new channels, some great ones, some not so great ones, some with rather ... odd content, some local ones where you could see the "low budget" (or actually, more often, "no budget") production value, a healthy mix, giving you pretty much anything you'd want.
Then the CableComs realized that they could make more money by segmenting it. Hey, cable just got cheaper! Yes... but you only got like 30% of the channels now. But it's now buffet style! Only get what you want. Well, not exactly, because you want channel A, but you only get it if you take package X which contains A and a dozen craptastic ones that nobody wants. You also want to get Channel B? Get package Y. No, there is no package that has channels A and B. But you can get both packages X and Y which also come with 2 dozen other channels.
And this is where streaming is heading to. Just instead of 50 different "packages" from your same provider, you now have 50 different providers, all coming with their own portfolio of shows, where you pretty much want one or two shows, but to get them, you'd have to pay for the whole lot. You want that show? Pay another provider.
Just wait for them to lament how people are still illegally downloading their content when they offer it for "only" 10 bucks a month. Just like the other dozen or so studios. "But it's 10 bucks a month for oh so many shows and movies!" Yes. But of all those, all I want to see is one. Sell me that one. Keep the crap!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Disney is moving their movies from Netflix to Pirate Bay.
Star wars and marvel fans will just buy the films (which they do in decent numbers anyway) and keep their Netflix/amazon accounts for everything else. I like star wars, I like marvel, I buy their films anyway. Disney don't do much that interests me outside those franchises and I don't have kids, so no Disney streaming service for me. Bet I'm not alone. All they are doing is cutting off the remaining casual viewers that might give a "comic book film" a try on Netflix one rainy afternoon, and find they like them.
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"I would probably have watched the new Star Trek series, but I'm not paying CBS $$/month"
If you're in the US, not sure that's an issue. Isn't CBS still free over the air??
Only the first episode will air on Network TV. The rest of the series will be on the streaming service only.
Because this is how you get it.
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This. I will pay CBS $6/month for Big Brother live feeds. I will not pay for Star Trek and I am an enormous nerd.
There is literally nothing on CBS.com I would watch for free, much less pay for. Same for other networks.
CBS is doubling down with 2 BBs a year now -- this year will include not a BB OTT 2, but rather a celebrity BB in the "winter". No doubt chosen to coincide with the second half of season one of Goldtone Trek.
Personally, I cannot wait for The Orville with old-school primary colors instead of all that sepia shit. My Klingons don't bray at the moon like dogs and wear skeleton armor like the purple stuff in year one of a 20 year old MMORPG.
Wait, what was I talking about?
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They're all popular. That's why they're so readily available all over the place.
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Right. Star Trek fans who hope the first exicit onscreen interracial sex is in 2027.
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I will not be subscribing to Disney.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
I'm not signing up for another service, especially one that's for only one company's stuff. But I love those movies, so now I'm pissed.
Especially considering that many people sign up for these streaming services based on the convenience of the apps being loaded on "smart TVs". Good luck getting manufacturers to push out updates to millions of outdated unsupported devices.
No, I don't watch movies on my phone, tablet, laptop, desktop.
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If Disney thinks I am going to pay for multiple subscriptions, they are in for an unhappy suprise. I just won't consume their products any more.
They'll live.
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All through my childhood in the '80s and '90s my parents steadfastly refused to buy cable. All our neighbors had it. All my friends had it. And I hated my parents at times for not getting it. But... I survived and, I would like to think, I am better off for having that experience.
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
Just like cable television, where you pay stupid amounts of money for a "package" that contains 39 crap channels you never watch just for the one channel you do want.
Then we wont watch them.
Already there are several Movies and television DVDs that are only available at Amazon; but I will not buy from Amazon so they lose that sale. The same is true with Disney. I won't buy direct from Disney. Either it becomes available in other markets, or I'm not interested.
I'd actually be ok with seeing a few less Marvel movies. They are often quite good, but I'm just burned out on the release schedules of hero movies.
It is all about exclusive geographic licencing rights. I looked into this some time ago when it was first announced.
If you live in the USA: CBS Streaming Service
If you live in Canada: Bell Canada will air it on it's "Space" cable channel.
If you live anywhere else: You will be able to watch it on Netflix (Though I am uncertain if individual episodes will be available, it may only be available after the first season has been aired, and then posted to Netflix).
It is kinda BS. I have the Space channel of course so I'll probably TiVo it and watch it. Odds are it will be more easily available for many people various ways on the internets, which may eventually cause CBS to rethink their current distribution model.
It is, but IIRC only the premiere will air on CBS. The rest of the series will only be accessible through a streaming service (they're calling it "CBS All Access") they're looking to start up...basically, their version of what Di$ney is set to do.
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