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Apple Explains Face ID On-stage Failure (bbc.com)

Apple has explained why its new facial recognition feature failed to unlock a handset at an on-stage demo (see around the 1:35:58 mark here) at the iPhone X's launch on Tuesday. From a report: The company blamed the Face ID glitch on a lockout mechanism triggered by staff members moving the device ahead of its unveil. Apple's software chief dealt with the hiccup by moving on to a back-up device, which worked as intended. But the hitch was widely reported. "People were handling the device for [the] stage demo ahead of time and didn't realise Face ID was trying to authenticate their face," an unnamed company representative is quoted as saying by Yahoo's David Pogue. "After failing a number of times, because they weren't Craig [Federighi], the iPhone did what it was designed to do, which was to require his passcode."

189 comments

  1. and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by jm007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they did rehearse this, no?

    1. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am pretty sure Bill Gates did a rehearsal before connecting a scanner to his W98 PC on the stage when he got a BSOD... Shit happens, and it sometimes happens with the worst timing possible.

    2. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by jm007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      here's another truth to consider.... companies won't tell the truth if it makes them look bad.... they spin it so it's somehow okay or at least insignificant; in this particular context of a 'big release event,' how much pressure do you think there is regarding truth vs perception?

    3. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

      I am not saying they said the truth. And it probably is a bug that needs to be corrected in the code. There is so much pressure to release products on time that you need to bug-fix soon after release. In this case, who knows what really happened. Maybe they do not even know it yet. But they had to come up with some story for PR purpose. Then you will soon get an update that deals with "too sensitive lockout mechanism"...

    4. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by jm007 · · Score: 1

      so based on their history of explaining away iPhone/iOS/Apple issues of any nature (see JoeyRox post further down) and using Occam's Razor as a guide, what should a person w/out inside knowledge think? remember this is a $600 device that will be the center of most people's techno-lives and thus a huge personal vulnerability -- should it be ill-designed; does Apple have your best interests at heart or theirs?

      this isn't about being open-minded and an optimist, real life decisions require looking at the darker side of life, not just the pleasantries; business reality is about money, not good intentions

    5. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Strider- · · Score: 4, Funny

      As a former Sales Engineer, I always hated doing live demos in front of (potential) customers. Yeah, it's like Milli Vanilli lip syncing, but I would always always push for doing canned demos, or ones that depended on my skill. When something has a 0.1% surprise rate, that means it will happen in a demo 100% of the time.

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    6. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... you'll have to spend 2 seconds typing in your PIN? And...?

    7. Re: and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alexa, SILENCE.

      Ahhh that's better ;)

    8. Re: and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Salesmen are not engineers.

    9. Re: and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To highlight this, recall what Apple said when their new MacBook came with a physically smaller battery but swore the battery life was the same as previous MacBooks.

    10. Re: and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the Sales Engineers.

    11. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A thorough investigation revealed that this was the same guy that worked for Microsoft and he was tasked with making the worst sh*t happen at the worst possible moment during a very newsworthy product announcement.

      The ball is in your court, Apple.

    12. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rehearsal probably didn't have somebody come and polish it immediately beforehand like they did immediately before the live event. They'll probably include that in their next rehearsal.

    13. Re: and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say what you want about him, but Steve Jobs' obsessive personality would not have let it happen.

    14. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO because too many people looked at his phone wrong and the phone didn't like it ok just give the phone a break its had a hard day and needs to relax man!!!

    15. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1

      We used to have a saying: "Do a demo, lose a prospect."

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    16. Re: and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Goldfish1974 · · Score: 0

      And he didn't know the PIN so he could have unlocked it with the PIN, locked the phone again and then show FaceID working. I don't think so...it didn't work....

    17. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BSODs are how you know they're keeping it real.

    18. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Cito · · Score: 1

      CNN also reported it doesn't detect black faces

    19. Re: and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was exactly one Steve Jobs and even that did not stop Apple from delivering things he went on to admit were shit like Mobile Me. I bought the original iPhone and paid the whole initial nearly $700 bill that came with it before the price drop. I switched from Verizon to the leaps and bounds inferior AT&T in order to own it. It was in many ways an inferior device to other smart phones at launch. 2G (Edge) only. No GPS or turn by turn directions for the Google Maps app, âoeweb appsâ in lieu of a proper App Store, using a touch only keyboard with bad autocorrect for e-mail, no Exhange server support, a browser without a Flash ( a great decision long term but a big limitation when it launched) and the list goes on and on. Yet as soon as I held the device and started to use it I knew it was a game changer, warts and all.

      People make the mistake of putting certain things on a pedestal and forgiving or not acknowledging major flaws when certain celebrated milestones occur.

      Is the iPhone X along with Face ID and all of the supporting technologies a major milestone? I donâ(TM)t know, no one does and we will have to see. Right now my gut tells me no, but Iâ(TM)m not willing to write it all off because of one bungled moment during a product demo.

    20. Re: and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      Which it is because the power saving features are better.

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    21. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      You've never done a software demo, have you.

      You can rehearse as much as you like, something can always go wrong.

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    22. Re: and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep on shilling, shill.

    23. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I am not saying they said the truth. And it probably is a bug that needs to be corrected in the code. There is so much pressure to release products on time that you need to bug-fix soon after release. In this case, who knows what really happened. Maybe they do not even know it yet. But they had to come up with some story for PR purpose.

      Yeah, it's called saving face. The only problem is that they saved face afterwards instead of saving everyone's face ahead of time.

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  2. Pass by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A device the police can unlock by just showing it to you? pass.

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    1. Re: Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hence the new SOS feature to quickly enforce passcode

    2. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Could be just me, but I never had requirement for the phone to be police-proof. Family-proof - yes, but never had bad experience with police, neither did I consider it as a serious factor when comparing devices.

    3. Re:Pass by RobinH · · Score: 1

      Apparently it won't unlock if your eyes are closed.

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    4. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd imagine it has an on/off option, just like Touch ID.

    5. Re:Pass by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

      Police and border agents. So no more need to force you to unlock, they just grab the phone, show it to you and search it without warrant. Nice.

    6. Re:Pass by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Do they call this feature the "Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal" feature? I hope they do. But more to the point, standing there with you eyes closed all day isn't exactly going to work out.

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    7. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you're disguised for some special occasion or just wearing makeup ?
      What if you have an accident or an allergic reaction, altering your regular face look ?

    8. Re:Pass by HumanWiki · · Score: 1, Interesting

      A device the police can unlock by just showing it to you? pass.

      Face unlock isn't new, not even to Apple.

      People used to show a picture of someone to the 1st gen of this tech and it unlocked easily.

      I actually watched someone unlock an iDevice with another iDevice by showing it their employee roster picture from our company website..

      (you can turn Facial unlock off.. just like with the ubiquitous thumbprint unlock)

    9. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The feature is obviously racist. Shame on Apple.

    10. Re: Pass by x0ra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      hardly enforceable when a SWAT team broke into your home at 4am with stun grenades...

    11. Re: Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sont need to hear it anymore? Sounds like there's not much privilege being white anymore then!

      GET OVER YOURSELF #BLM terrorist

    12. Re:Pass by Karlt1 · · Score: 2

      The police can also force you to put your fingerprint on the phone or has happen in the U.K., Judy tackle you while you're using your phone (https://9to5mac.com/2016/12/05/uk-police-have-a-new-tactic-for-circumventing-strong-iphone-encryption-steal-the-unlocked-phone-out-of-the-criminals-hand/).

      There is nothing that Apple can do to prevent rubber-hose decryption.

    13. Re:Pass by x0ra · · Score: 1

      I hear Lubyanka's interrogators had no problem keeping prisoners' eyes open... Wasn't a problem then, isn't a problem now.

    14. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a "cop lock" feature. And any biometrics can be passed similarly.

    15. Re:Pass by Karlt1 · · Score: 2

      I actually watched someone unlock an iDevice with another iDevice by showing it their employee roster picture from our company website..

      How? This is the first "iDevice" that has had facial unlock?

    16. Re:Pass by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Could be just me, but I never had requirement for the phone to be police-proof.

      But some people do need protection from the police. If you don't speak up for their rights, there will be no one left to speak up when the police come for you.

      You can feel complacent about your freedom only because other people have fought and sacrificed for you.

    17. Re: Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut that god damn dog up or I'll blow its fucking head off.

    18. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note how Apple scrubbed out all white males from its website!

    19. Re: Pass by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The dog was wagging its tail and lying on the rug, still shot.

    20. Re:Pass by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 2

      They say you can change your hair, grow a beard, etc and it still work. I don't see the big deal, the last Lumia phone has iris recognition and opened that way. An older Samsung phone my buddy had could open with facial recognition, it also worked when I held my phone to his with a picture of his face on my screen, so not super secure.

    21. Re:Pass by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      My buddy had a Samsung that could do it. Like a Note 4 or something.

    22. Re:Pass by ghoul · · Score: 1

      Will it open if your eyes are held open with Tape?

      Biometrics as identifiers are flawed because a password can be changed but a body part cant. if your Face ID pattern gets stolen or hacked thats it you can never use any devices which unlock with faceID forever. FOREVER.

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    23. Re:Pass by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      What if you're disguised for some special occasion or just wearing makeup?

      Then the facial recognition doesn't work, and you type your passcode instead.

    24. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably a bit of both. But you gotta let apple have some battle cry. "Innovative", "revolutionary" and "magical" are all too easy to disprove. "Security" is all they have left unless you want them up on stage bleating about "Profits".

    25. Re:Pass by ghoul · · Score: 1

      They have to balance. As the stage was full of white males. Note how while 50% of the on ground workforce at Apple is Indians the executives have no Indian representation. Contrast this with Google and Microsoft which reflect the makeup of their companies more realistically in the CXO levels.

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    26. Re:Pass by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      If other people need protection from the police, they'll be buying something else.

      Except that many people don't realize they need protection until they are already in handcuffs. Then it is too late.

      Do you really believe that "Only guilty people get arrested"?

    27. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a thug stealing your phone? Before, they couldn't use your phone because of fingerprint or PIN.

      Now they can just steal your phone, point it at your face for a second to have it unlock. They'll then keep it unlocked, then jailbreak it / reset it. Much easier when you're not stuck at the lock screen.

    28. Re: Pass by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Is that where you do three quick blinks, three slow blinks, and three quick blinks again?

    29. Re:Pass by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Hit the power button 5 times to disable fingerprint unlock.

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    30. Re:Pass by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      "Face unlock isn't new, not even to Apple."

      Yeah...it is one of those features you say "hey! my phone can do this..." and you never use it again. What the hell is wrong with Apple?

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    31. Re:Pass by sinij · · Score: 2

      Little do they know, I intend to show my ass to this facial recognition tech.

    32. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair including stupid security features on unimportant consumer products is one of the betetr ways to get the general public to undrstand that the feature is in fact stupid.

      It's a subset of concept: "the best way to get a stupid rule changed is to follow it to the letter, and blame the rule whenever somone complains about how plainly stupid your behavior is."

    33. Re:Pass by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Yep, I wonder how easy this will be to hack by opening the phone owner's Facebook profile picture and showing it to the camera...

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    34. Re:Pass by sootman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. Your eyes have to be open for this to work. If a cop grabs your phone, close your eyes. If they try to get you to unlock it, open one eye, then the other, until it fails. If a cop grabs your phone, the first thing he'll do is look at it, thus triggering failure #1. It only takes 2 failures to trigger the passcode requirement. https://www.macrumors.com/2017...

      2. As we are discussing right here in this very story, if it fails to unlock by face, IT THEN ASKS FOR A PASSCODE. And it WON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL THAT PASSCODE IS ENTERED. So you are just as secure as if you were already a passcode-only person.

      This is actually MORE secure than the current thumbprint system, which can ABSOLUTELY be opened if you are restrained. There's no way to close your thumbprint when you're in handcuffs. As has been discussed elsewhere, you can not (in the U.S., generally, blah blah blah) be compelled to give your password but you can be compelled to put your thumb on a device.

      3. Also, there's this: https://www.theverge.com/2017/...

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    35. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it seems that just being near a face like object is enough to trigger the lockout, which means just showing it to about 3-4 different such things should prevent a cop from being able to open it that way. Just make sure you have enough time to exhaust the attempt timeouts.

      On the other hand, this makes it utterly useless on a subway, (a public gathering), or any place with a large number of people or face like objects due to it's always on automatic unlock camera. (Battery life, false positives?) As such, this is not ready for real world applications. I'd imagine most will just disable it until patches improve it.

    36. Re:Pass by RobinH · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure anyone who cared (like myself) would just turn off facial ID unlock and use a pass code.

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    37. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What rights are you talking about here? Right to not buy a phone? Just don't buy it, jeez.

    38. Re:Pass by gfilion · · Score: 2

      Apparently it does face recognition in 3D, so a simple picture would not work.

    39. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could always just not enable the feature.

    40. Re:Pass by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Face unlock isn't new, not even to Apple.

      People used to show a picture of someone to the 1st gen of this tech and it unlocked easily.

      I actually watched someone unlock an iDevice with another iDevice by showing it their employee roster picture from our company website..

      (you can turn Facial unlock off.. just like with the ubiquitous thumbprint unlock)

      Which is impossible, since the only iDevices capable fo facial unlocking haven't been released yet.

      Sure, you could jailbreak it, but then that's a stupid unlock since you're limited to the camera and vulnerable. The iPhone X facial unlock requires the depth sensor because it's doing a 3D capture, not a 2D capture, rendering the photo trick unusable. (They claim masks don't work too, but I'm not too sure about it).

      Second, you can turn on "attention" mode - the phone won't unlock if merely pointed at your face, but you have to actually have to be giving attention to your phone for it to unlock, so a cop can't point it at you to unlock it.

      Finally, remember there's also the 5 power button click disable option that turns off both fingerprint and facial recognition. You should be able to click the power button a sufficient number of times in under a second as you reach into your pocket to retrieve the phone.

      Pretty much the only way for cops to get at your data would be for you to unlock your phone and the cop tackles you to the ground, or they swipe it from you as you're using it.

    41. Re:Pass by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Could be just me, but I never had requirement for the phone to be police-proof. Family-proof - yes, but never had bad experience with police, neither did I consider it as a serious factor when comparing devices.

      I used to think this way, but there have simply been too many cases I've seen where police went far outside their legal authority when dealing with individuals who I know were not doing anything wrong - applying fear and intimidation against law-abiding citizens. Then, on top of that, I've seen police do bad (and possibly dangerous) things when dealing with people who actually were doing something wrong - like walking up from behind a stopped motorcyclist with a drawn gun, carefully held in a way so other people couldn't readily see it, when the reason for approaching said motorcyclist was to lecture him about weaving in and out of traffic - in this case, the interaction got recorded by the motorcyclist's helmet cam.

      Cops are like other people - there are good ones and bad ones. The problem is, cops have a lot of power. The good ones see that as "with great power comes great responsibility", while the bad ones see it as something to be abused to their own advantage.

      I will not open my phone for a police officer if asked, even though I know there's nothing untoward on my phone. If they want me to open my phone for them, they'll need to follow proper procedures and obtain a warrant - that's the way the legal system is supposed to work.

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    42. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you push the power button quickly 5 times it disables TouchID and FaceID in iOS 11.

    43. Re:Pass by danbert8 · · Score: 0

      Are there 2 cameras on the front? I don't think there are... So yeah, it does face recognition in 2D.

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    44. Re:Pass by shilly · · Score: 1

      Gosh, if only Apple had anticipated that by not storing your biometric but instead storing a cryptographic hash of some datapoints derived from a mathematical model that won't be the same each time FaceID is re-scanned, just like TouchID.

    45. Re: Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White people will be in the minority soon, then you'll be the terrorists. Maybe you'll get to spend some time in Guantanamo Bay?

    46. Re: Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely the dog got his head blown off when he grabbed the stun grenade thrown through the window. Good dog owners don't teach their dog fetch.

    47. Re:Pass by ghoul · · Score: 1

      30000 points on your face scanned to create a map which is then hashed. If you get hacked and the 30000 point map is misappropriated than what? The attacker can has it on demand.

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    48. Re: Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of innocent people get arrested. Only guilty people have incriminating evidence on their phone, by definition.

    49. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't know how it works, and you're apparently not interested in finding out, but what you do know, with complete conviction, is that it doesn't work the way it should.

    50. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cryptographic hashes only have value if it's infeasible to correlate changes in the input with changes in the output. Since the facial recognition feature has to loosely match the datapoints (since it's pretty much impossible for them to be the same each time), that implies that the value produced by the mathematical model converges before being hashed...

    51. Re:Pass by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      Maybe take 10 seconds to verify your assumptions before spewing ignorance? Just a thought.

      http://gizmodo.com/how-apples-...

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    52. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so they cut your eyelids off

    53. Re:Pass by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      A device the police can unlock by just showing it to you? pass.

      Most insightful post in a while.

      That said, maybe they can kick it up a notch. Unlock when you are smiling, and disk wipe when you are not.

    54. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then simply don't enable FaceID. You don't use TouchID or whatever other non-passcode security scheme your phone provides, right? You know that none of these features are required to use your phone and you can just set it to accept only a pin, right?

      I love how everyone is bitching about this. If it's a problem for you, then DON'T USE IT. Why is this such a hard fucking concept to grasp? When did everyone become so stupid?

    55. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you an idiot? If your device is hacked, it would be the passcode that the hacker goes for, not a face hash that would require a physical 3D model to be created so that it can be placed in front of the phone.

      Seriously, nobody has a fucking brain around here anymore.

    56. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. The innocent ones get shot.

    57. Re: Pass by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Lots of innocent people get arrested. Only guilty people have incriminating evidence on their phone, by definition.

      Go watch this video: Don't talk to the Police. He gives several real world examples of how innocent people went to prison for telling the truth.

    58. Re:Pass by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      It used regular image recognition that could be fooled by a picture and didn't take a 3D image, it didn't work in the dark, it wouldn't work with glasses, hats, etc.

      If I remember correctly, it stored the image unprotected and was accessible by any app instead of being stored correctly.

      The Samsung implementation was nowhere near as advanced.

    59. Re:Pass by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't stop "rubber hose decryption" -- beating you until you unlock the password. Do you think that all police are so above board they wouldn't do that ?

    60. Re: Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smelly shitty hindu-chimps aren't Americans, smelly shitty hindu-chimps are invaders turning America into a piece of shit hindustan.

    61. Re:Pass by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      american police are NOT your friends. they can end your life and if they have a bad day, oh boy, it will be your worst day.

      I never talk to cops, I avoid them. and I'm a middle class white guy who never had trouble with the law.

      but I read about what its like 'out there' and I'm scared shitless of those thugs in blue.

      yes, give me phones that are cop-resistant. those guys have ZERO reason to invade your privacy like that, but being thugs who like to get their jollies, they often do abusive things to citizens.

      you are quite ignorant to trust cops, these days. maybe you'll learn the hard way.

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    62. Re:Pass by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      cops have usb devices (israel has made quite a few, which I have real issues with, but that's for another thread) that scan ALL the known major phone types and extract data.

      I have a hard time believing that apple phones don't have a hidden backdoor that the israelis have found and sold to the LEOs.

      its the best kept secret. and likely, apple is lying about how secure their systems are. they want us to think that, but I'm pretty sure the LEOs and their little usb stealie device have access to ALL major phone types.

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    63. Re:Pass by ghoul · · Score: 1

      A passcode can be changed. What do you do with a face map? Plastic Surgery?

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    64. Re:Pass by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      But there's an open question of whether some things need to be police proof, or everything needs to be police proof.

    65. Re:Pass by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      There are degrees of protection. This particular attack isn't too bad, because you know that the police are inspecting your phone and if you live in a country with the rule of law then this must follow an recorded evidence chain (and, in fact, a plod showing you the phone to unlock it would probably violate that chain and give you grounds for a mistrial). It's much worse when the police can plug a USB dongle into your phone and dump all of your data for later analysis, because they don't need to notify you, they can just go fishing at any point where they have brief access to the phone and later appear with a warrant and follow procedure claiming an anonymous tipoff. This was the state of all Android phones until fairly recently.

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    66. Re:Pass by houghi · · Score: 1

      Well, now they know.

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    67. Re:Pass by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      As the stage was full of white males. Note how while 50% of the on ground workforce at Apple is Indians the executives have no Indian representation.

      First, that's not true. It's nowhere near half. The latest figures from any reputable source were one third, and even that is dubious, because Apple doesn't break down its diversity numbers based on country of origin, which means there's a lot of guessing involved in that number.

      But even if it were true, it would only be true because Apple has a huge IT organization in India. Not software; not hardware; IT. You can safely assume that they are not going to fly IT people over from India for a keynote even if somehow there were a big IT component to that keynote, much less a keynote that's mostly about iPhone hardware and software. The people at the keynote are likely a fairly accurate sampling of the diversity of Apple's Cupertino workforce if you ignore the non-technical staff.

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    68. Re:Pass by shilly · · Score: 1

      It isn't a face map. You've fundamentally misunderstood how this works.

    69. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think I want my son to be able to buy stuff on some random game by just pointing the screen at my face. It's also why I have most things set to passcode or pattern.

  3. Feature without a requirement by Sherman+Peabody · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one asked for this feature, but Apple wants to give it to us anyway. They have really lost touch with their user base, IMHO, and stray further and further afield. I think it may be time for another visionary but I doubt that Apple's culture will promote one as the old guard holds on for dear life.

    1. Re:Feature without a requirement by geekoid · · Score: 2

      A lot of people want this feature. It's a cool feature. I suspect many don't realize the security issue.

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    2. Re:Feature without a requirement by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

      No one asked for this feature, but Apple wants to give it to us anyway. They have really lost touch with their user base, IMHO, and stray further and further afield. I think it may be time for another visionary but I doubt that Apple's culture will promote one as the old guard holds on for dear life.

      It's not the 1st time they've had facial unlock... It goes back years..

      https://9to5mac.com/2011/05/18...

      This is just a newer type of face recog.

    3. Re:Feature without a requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody asked for "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." ..either. And then it revolutionized the industry.

    4. Re:Feature without a requirement by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      "They" have never had this feature. This wasn't an Apple feature. It was a third party feature that worked only on jail broken devices.

    5. Re:Feature without a requirement by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      "A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them." -- Steve Jobs

      (OTOH it's unclear whether a Jobs-less Apple still has the ability to predict what people will want after having been shown it. Time will tell)

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    6. Re:Feature without a requirement by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      No one asked for this feature, but Apple wants to give it to us anyway.

      That is what Apple has always done. If they wait till customers are asking for a feature, then that feature is so obvious that everyone will be doing it. So they stay out in front by anticipating needs.

      Since this has made them the world's most valuable company, it is silly to say it is not a smart strategy.

    7. Re:Feature without a requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it works more consistently than TouchID, then a lot of my users are asking for it. I'm a member f the Apple Consultants Network, and a lot of my older users can't use TouchID because it has trouble with their fingers, I suspect because of dry skin and/or lotions.

    8. Re:Feature without a requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its all about the gimmicks for apple now

    9. Re:Feature without a requirement by green1 · · Score: 1

      If that were really true, you'd think that just occasionally Apple might do something that everyone else hasn't already done....

      In the past decade or so Apple has never been good at coming up with new inventive features that their competitors don't have. They've only been good at marketing those same features to people several years later.

      Apple is the world's most valuable company because they are excellent at marketing. Nothing else.

    10. Re:Feature without a requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm. No. Mostly modern Apple (as opposed to old 70s Apple) waits until someone else has proven the market for something, then they produce their own very polished version of the same.

    11. Re:Feature without a requirement by blindseer · · Score: 2

      No one asked for this feature, but Apple wants to give it to us anyway.

      Then it will show up in device sales and user surveys. Voice activated login was a thing for a while, going WAY back in time. Maybe that's still a thing, I just don't know of anyone that uses it. If it's broken in some way, and/or people just don't like it, then it will quietly go away. If it works and people like it then that will also show in sales and surveys.

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    12. Re:Feature without a requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple's lost touch with the Slashdot whiners, which is fine. They don't buy anything ,and just complain a lot anyway.

    13. Re:Feature without a requirement by Altus · · Score: 2

      no more so than thumbprints are really but people are far more likely to lock their phone if they can use a quick biometric test rather than typing in a passcode. Its certainly a lot more secure than unlocked. Lots of people just didn't lock their phone before biometrics were an option

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    14. Re:Feature without a requirement by Kohath · · Score: 1

      No one asked for this feature

      Wrong. Lots of people want a secure way to quickly and easily unlock their phone without typing in a code. Most phone users want this.

      The others want to enter a code every time or they don't lock their phone. The phones support all 3 choices. What are you complaining about?

    15. Re:Feature without a requirement by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      A lot of people want this feature.

      I'd debate that.

      A lot of people want a way to unlock their phone quickly and conveniently without using a passcode like 5555 or 1234. Touch ID did a very good job. However, there wasn't a way to have only a screen on the front and still use Touch ID. So it's back to the drawing board. This is what Apple came up with.

      I don't think there are a lot of people who specifically want facial-recognition for unlocking their phones. They just want a more convenient way to quickly unlock their phone.

    16. Re:Feature without a requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah right. And the next iPhone makes you jam the phone up your ass to unlock it.

    17. Re:Feature without a requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one asked for this feature, but Apple wants to give it to us anyway. They have really lost touch with their user base, IMHO, and stray further and further afield. I think it may be time for another visionary but I doubt that Apple's culture will promote one as the old guard holds on for dear life.

      Some of us are not going to accept this.

      I've spent plenty of money on Apple products, but as of today I will never buy anything sold by Apple, ever again, unless Tim Cook resigns or dies.
      And frankly I'd rather see him die, after what he has done to the company I used to really like.

    18. Re:Feature without a requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one asked for this feature, but Apple wants to give it to us anyway. They have really lost touch with their user base, IMHO, and stray further and further afield. I think it may be time for another visionary but I doubt that Apple's culture will promote one as the old guard holds on for dear life.

      My Translation:
      You didn't ask for this feature, but Apple want to provide it anyway to other people. They are not providing you what you want in your opinion, and are straying further from what you want. You want a visionary from some company to share your vision. You doubt that Apple's culture and leadership are ever going to adapt to your vision.

      My Suggestion:
      Don't buy Apple.

      My Comment:
      Some of us do share their vision and will.

    19. Re:Feature without a requirement by houghi · · Score: 1

      I have no issue with them implementing it. It is like gay marriage: I never asked for it. I have no use for it, but if others want to, let them.
      I do not even have use for fingerprinting to open the device.

      It is not as if they removed something. They added something that you can ignore, just like I ignore many programs (apps for you youngsters) on my phone.

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    20. Re:Feature without a requirement by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      However, there wasn't a way to have only a screen on the front and still use Touch ID.

      And it's impossible to put a fingerprint scanner on one edge of the machine, symmetrically so it's equally inconvenient for left- and right- handers?

      There's a distinct smell of dead rodent over this. Over and above the dead rodent sell that comes as standard with Apple products.

      --
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  4. From the same company who lies repeatedly by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reception issues? You're holding it wrong
    You iPhone 6 display touchscreen stops working? You must have dropped it
    Video display on your Macbook flickering? Isolated, non-systemic incident

  5. Move your iPhone? by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    I didn't think you were supposed to remove it from its shrine. Just gaze at it with admiration. If it deems you worthy, it will unlock.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  6. Reasonable explanation, but... by Kenja · · Score: 1

    I still don't want the feature. It seems intrinsically unsecure compared with other biometric options. Frankly, not seen a reason to upgrade from my iPhone 6+ yet. I like the edge to edge display, but not at that price point and size. I'd be more interested in something smaller than my current phone but with the same size screen.

    --

    "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    1. Re:Reasonable explanation, but... by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      I want bigger bezels actually, a good place to hold my phone. Currently it's uncomfortable and only has a bezel on the top and bottom that provide enough space for my thumb to push against to hold the phone, but then the weight is off so I can't hold it.

    2. Re:Reasonable explanation, but... by Junta · · Score: 1

      Well not that reasonable... Too many faces is a likely thing to happen in real life. There's just too much stray input for this to be a good idea to have a lockout on...

      --
      XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
  7. if they really cared by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if they really cared, it would have been a prop phone that someone clicked a button behind the scenes and it unlocked. Live coding sucks.

  8. Movement causes battery drain? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple's explanation sounds like people simply moving the phone around caused the phone to try to authenticate via Face ID, and because the authentication attempts failed, the phone required Craig Federaghi to enter his passcode.

    Seems like the phone could waste electricity trying to face authenticate when no such authentication is wanted.

    1. Re: Movement causes battery drain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cue Fappening 3.0 when we find that the camera is constantly taking pictures and unloading them to the cloud, oh wait.

    2. Re:Movement causes battery drain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like the phone could waste electricity trying to face authenticate when no such authentication is wanted.

      Which means the camera is on all the time.

      Great for spying on things...

    3. Re:Movement causes battery drain? by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      Seems like the phone could waste electricity trying to face authenticate when no such authentication is wanted.

      Doubtful. It probably requires motion to be detected first.

    4. Re:Movement causes battery drain? by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      Think that through again. How's it going to tell the difference between the phone just being jostled around and the phone being jostled around with a face staring at it? It's not like there's a physical button you can press to signal your intent to unlock so it scans your face on command.

    5. Re:Movement causes battery drain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I run with my phone in my hand...or on an armband...both of those would give movement and probably increase battery drain as it scans for and tries to authenticate faces. Heaven forbid I run with the wife...

    6. Re:Movement causes battery drain? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Apple's explanation sounds like people simply moving the phone around caused the phone to try to authenticate via Face ID, and because the authentication attempts failed, the phone required Craig Federaghi to enter his passcode. Seems like the phone could waste electricity trying to face authenticate when no such authentication is wanted.

      Well, the presentation gave the impression you had to do a pretty deliberate swipe. But since it's just a touchscreen movement as opposed to the physical pressing of a button, well... I dunno. It'll probably be reviewed to death before long. The word "facegate" will be used, you heard it here first. Personally I'm think that worst case on the fail side, you have to enter the PIN. Big whoop. On the security side, I expect someone to either steal my unlocked phone when I'm handling it or if they really want to then manhandle me to get my fingerprint today or look at the phone tomorrow. Or just force me to hand over the PIN, I mean if you're first mugging me... you might say a pickpocket might try to do an unlock and run instead of just stealing it now, but eh... it seems far fetched. Battery drain might be bad, but I'm sure Apple's engineers have pockets and that's the main point I'm interested in. Carrying it around for extended time in hand is not something I do unless I'm in an app, in which case it is unlocked. But I guess everything breaks somebody's workflow...

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    7. Re:Movement causes battery drain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same way it does now? The current generation iPhones auto activate their screen when you move the device in a certain way (e.g. a simple lateral move isn't enough). But constant movement or multiple movements within a timeout period are considered non-interactive and the screen turns off. It likewise won't turn on no matter what movement if the proximity sensor is tripped. And the screen is only active for about 2 seconds, and if no further interaction occurs it turns off and won't turn back on until the phone has stopped moving for the time out period. It's not perfect, but it's certainly never made a huge impact on the battery life IME.

    8. Re:Movement causes battery drain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The current iPhones already turn on when they detect movement. And they don't turn on when they detect continuous movement (e.g. running). It's unlikely this will affect the battery drain any more than it does for any other current iPhone, which is to say a minuscule amount if at all.

    9. Re:Movement causes battery drain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All iPhone's have a "Motion" chip, which was introduced a number of generations ago. This chip, using very little power, constantly tracks the motion of the phone, and it can do so in complex ways. That's how your phone acts as a pedometer throughout the day. It's even accurate enough to discern the difference between walking horizontally or walking up and down stairs. So yes, facial recognition would simply wait for the Motion chip to tell the CPU that an "arm lift" or similar movement was detected, so the CPU should wake up and try and detect the face.

    10. Re:Movement causes battery drain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to have great fun forcing my boss to enter his pass code all the time..

      he will eventually work out its a shit phone

    11. Re:Movement causes battery drain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, what they meant was that _every_ phone will require Craig Federaghi's face to authenticate with Face ID.

  9. "You're holding it wrong" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People were handling the device for [the] stage demo ahead of time and didn't realise Face ID was trying to authenticate their face,

    Just make sure you do not leave it face up on a table anywhere where your significant other, boy/girfriend, kids and/or sibblings or just random other public could be getting into the viewing angle of that camera (sitting down eating your lunch perhaps ? Or just at your desk in class or at work ? Or relaxing on the couch with the phone on the side table ?) ...

    Yet another of those "working well in a controlled environment, but not thought out for real life" "enhancements". :-)

  10. "It worked as intended" by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    The company blamed the Face ID glitch on a lockout mechanism triggered by staff members moving the device ahead of its unveil.

    So basically, they're saying they were holding it wrong?

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
  11. It just about works. by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, who would ever move a mobile phone? Clearly this is an extreme corner[1] case that bears no resemblance to typical usage.

    [1] Rounded, of course.

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    1. Re:It just about works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except it *is* a corner case because how many people, other than you, pick up *your* phone on a normal day?

  12. how is this different from with Windows98 BSOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how is this different from the famious BSOD on stage at a trade show as Gates was touting how stable it was until u plugged in a kybd..

    your shit sucks, its not ready, it's appearant that you have to rely on your base to fix your problems.
    Atleast MS finally fixed it regardless of the base or not..
    What's your poor excuse Apple??
    Did the construction of your beautiful spaceship blind your adventure this time around?
    or are your heads still so far up ur asses that......

    Oh wait, crap.. I'm sorry Thats right, now I understand why Samsung didnt come out with the Tech.. first. They discovered its not perfected yet..

    whey 2 go Apple..

    1. Re:how is this different from with Windows98 BSOD by war4peace · · Score: 1

      how is this different from the famious BSOD on stage at a trade show as Gates was touting how stable it was until u plugged in a kybd..

      FYI it was a scanner.

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    2. Re: how is this different from with Windows98 BSOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to burst ya bubble, but Samsung has had this tech, and ditched it. It's weak.

    3. Re:how is this different from with Windows98 BSOD by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      The difference is that Microsoft never had the slogan "It Just Works".

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  13. Just wait until black people try it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These face recognition gimmicks have unacceptable failure rates on people with dark skin.

  14. Freebie for three-letter agencies by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can just hear the NSA drooling over this feature now. A phone that tries to facial-recognize everyone who gets in range? It must be one of their wildest dreams come true.

    1. Re:Freebie for three-letter agencies by Prien715 · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Between this and Alexa/Google Home, we've installed what are the potential eyes and eyes of Big Brother into homes without realizing it. Even Mark Zuckerberg puts a sticker on his laptop's camera.

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      -- Political fascism requires a Fuhrer.
    2. Re:Freebie for three-letter agencies by JcMorin · · Score: 1

      Or just ask Apple to send to them the 3D scan of everyone how configured their phone.

  15. Most common phrase at blackhat/Defcon: by hattable · · Score: 1

    "...well, if I've sacrificed enough goats and or what not, this demo will work..."

    Yes a hobby project vs. Apple Flagship Project [blah] are different, but this is just boring. At least when Gates BSOD'd, it was the laugh of the day, and not trying to be taken as an accurate representation of every person and product in the company.

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  16. on the surface.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the equation seems to be..

    Mellinalials (dont care if its spelled right) + history =

    yes left blank intentionally...

    here we see a clear example of the above statement being true, by all aspects..
    Because of this article, I now know what NOT to buy this time around.. Note8 here i come..
    thanks /.

  17. Welcome to 5 years ago Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This technology has been around for a long time really. In phones not as long. So I need it on my phone. No. I actually have this currently on my Samsung S8. I turn it off and keep it off. Passcode is the best way to get into your phone.

    1. Re:Welcome to 5 years ago Apple by green1 · · Score: 1

      If you think Apple has ever been ahead of the curve in the phone department you've been drinking way too much of their koolaid. Every feature they've ever launched has been done by someone else before, usually several someone elses.

  18. ya know with Jobs Dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya know, with the death of Jobs. and the activities of cock shoving, product stuffing, unnecessary feature offering at a premium being over, you would figure innovation would surface..
    Ya right Bullshit.. same old apple, just a different dick being shoved down your throat at your expense..

    Here is a clear example of how things are so fucked up over there.. No one can keep control of the place.. With the WOZ there This crap would never surface..

    Perhaps the one's left are stil choking on the same HOG..

  19. Failure of process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blaming the staff handling the phone is bulls**t, they should have forseen this and covered the bloody camera until showtime.

  20. Never had a User Base just Fanbois by ghoul · · Score: 2

    Apple never does user surveys and asks customers what they want. In Apple philosophy customers are dumb , they do not know what they want. Apple builds it and they come

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    1. Re:Never had a User Base just Fanbois by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just got a user survey from them the other day. So, you are dead wrong. Post a retraction and apology immediately.

    2. Re:Never had a User Base just Fanbois by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In "Apple philosophy" [sic], Users are not Designers.
      Slashdot whiner philosophy results in Homer Cars.

    3. Re:Never had a User Base just Fanbois by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple never does user surveys and asks customers what they want. In Apple philosophy customers are dumb , they do not know what they want. Apple builds it and they come

      To be fair, the average intelligence of the general population is an IQ of 100, and half the population is below that.

  21. Murphy's Vortex by JBMcB · · Score: 2

    Unless you've ever done a live demo in front of a lot of people, nobody can quite understand how freaky it is to have stuff go wrong like this.

    A company I used to work for did a live demo of a brand new technology at a CES press conference once. Nearly every engineer in the company was on hand monitoring stuff. We must have done a dozen dry runs before the live demo, and that was after testing the crap out of it in the lab. We got it up and running before the presentation and left it running - no stopping or starting. It worked fine, but that was how freaked out the engineers and sales guys were over the demo - 'cause they've done them before and saw stuff go haywire for no particular reason.

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    1. Re:Murphy's Vortex by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Hell, this is true of anything. I remember one of my first corporate gigs, I installed a few racks of servers, with really nice UPSes. Set up the management software to run self tests, rotated discharge tests, the whole nine yards. Even scheduled the occasional test of 'yank the power cord.'

      What happens the first time there's a real power outage? One of the UPSes flips out, locks up, doesn't transfer over to the battery, and down goes the rack. Never happened again.

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    2. Re:Murphy's Vortex by Strider- · · Score: 2

      Unless you've ever done a live demo in front of a lot of people, nobody can quite understand how freaky it is to have stuff go wrong like this.

      One of the products I worked with was an auto-acquire satellite dish. The idea is that you assemble the unit, hit the button, and the thing goes and finds your desired satellite in the sky. It was brand new, we were just breaking into that space (if you'll pardon the pun), and we had tested the hell out of it. It was pretty quick, and quite reliable.

      Then we had to do a sales demo in front of a major distributor in East London. We get to London, I setup the thing at the Hotel and check it out, everything's going well. We pack up, and the next day go to the customer site. I put the unit together, showing how easy it is, and hit the go button, and immediately the thing starts going crazy. Well, the one thing we had missed? We had tested it entirely in the Western Hemisphere. There was a bug in the software that couldn't handle longitude on the east side of the prime meridian. Oops.

      So, I just sort of carry on and say "and if you're in a GPS denied environment, you can pick a nearby city from the included database, and it will use that instead." and boom, it works.

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    3. Re:Murphy's Vortex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes, the way you recover from such a hiccup can be a positive, when the prospect sees how you had a failover plan or handled the pressures of a problem.

      But generally... have screenshots ready to go if the demo fails!

    4. Re:Murphy's Vortex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to use Apple's Mainstage software for running virtual synths in a live (music) band situation. I had a rather elaborate configuration, but I had filtered, UPS backed power supply, SSD drive, maxed out ram, computer wifi off (in other words a closed secure setup), and tested it out for an entire year's worth of rehearsals before trusting it in front of a live audience.

      In rehearsals for a year, it performed flawlessly. The first time I tried it live, sound check at the venue went great. Showtime! Step out onto the stage to start playing, and after 3 songs, boom! the software crashes in front of 1000 people. Not good, but I chalked it up to one of those 'one time glitches'. More rehearsals, works fine. Next gig, boom! won't load synth patches properly for one of the songs.

      Moral of the story, if it's software based, always have a backup option!

      (I no longer use it for live performance purposes. Of course now, it hasn't crashed since. Go figure)

  22. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what they're saying is that the feature will probably be a lot less useful unless they fix this.

    None of the back staff should have been handling the phone by intentionally pointing at their faces (there's no reason to hold it like that when you're handing it off to someone). If you leave your phone face-up on a desk that has a few people walk by, it will trigger the "someone's trying to fake my face" and require the PIN.

    So basically, you're holding it wrong again.

  23. Accurate demo. by deep44 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Accurate demo of just how frustrating it will be to use this stupid feature.

    They obviously started with the idea of removing the home button, and worked backwards from there. Let's see: no home button means no fingerprint scanning ... couldn't go back to passcode-only because they already told everyone how bad that is ... iris scanning didn't pan out for whatever reason ... so ... facial recognition it is. Oh yeah, and swipe up to go home, because it hadn't dawned on anyone to try that before and turns out it's the best approach.

    1. Re:Accurate demo. by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Pretty weenie Apple, pretty weenie..

    2. Re:Accurate demo. by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      Right, because passing your locked phone around for people to stare at is a normal usage pattern.

      You'd think how well TouchID was implemented would give people SOME confidence, but who am I kidding.

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      "Mind, as manifested by the capacity to make choices, is to some extent present in every electron." -Freeman Dyson
  24. You have to look at the phone by Immerial · · Score: 1

    Eyes must be open and looking directly at the phone. With the sensor array, I bet you could also check to see if someone is prying your eyes open with their finger... or it's different enough with hands overlaid for the face recognition not to match.

    1. Re:You have to look at the phone by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Eyes must be open and looking directly at the phone. With the sensor array, I bet you could also check to see if someone is prying your eyes open with their finger... or it's different enough with hands overlaid for the face recognition not to match.

      So during the questioning by police, they simply hold up the phone to you and ask you if it is your phone. You look up to see, and it unlocks.

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    2. Re:You have to look at the phone by Immerial · · Score: 1

      Look at it with one eye... and you are all set.

  25. Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just rolled over in his grave. This new guy needs resume counselling.

  26. It's always the user's fault. by elcor · · Score: 1

    "didn't realise Face ID was trying to authenticate their face" Nice to throw a human being under the bus, too bad they're the ones buying those iphones

  27. It will still ask for authentication to do anythin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The phone always ask for pin to do anything like erasing the phone, change Touch ID, change pin. It will definitely ask for pin before allowing loading new firmware

  28. feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    aka This was a feature, not a bug.

  29. Will it work on this guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/07/asia/new-zealand-passport-robot-asian-trnd/index.html

    His eyes are so slanted the passport machine thinks his eyes are closedâ¦

  30. Why did they just disable Face ID and pin for the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make a special firmware for demo. Unlock on raise always? No one can tell. It's just for show anyway. No need to risk anything.

  31. It was asked for indirectly. by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    No one asked for this feature, but Apple wants to give it to us anyway. They have really lost touch with their user base...

    Users may not have asked directly for an alternative to to the fingerprint reader, but consumer preference for larger screens made it desirable to get rid of the fingerprint reader / home button.

    1. Re:It was asked for indirectly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they simple could not get the fingerid underglass working, thats why they changed it to facial crap.

  32. security is not binary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A device the police can unlock by just showing it to you? pass.

    The same can be said for finger prints: they can hold your thumb to the phone.

    Here's the thing: when Steve Jobs introduced the TouchID, he said that over 70% of people didn't have a PIN on their phones. Why was this so? Probably because it was a pain to enter it in if you simply want to do a quick e-mail check.

    By having the fingerprint reader it allows one the convenience of quick unlocks, but to enable it a PIN is mandatory. Also, on iOS, after not unlocking for 8 hours (?) you are forced to enter the passcode. Further, in the forthcoming iOS 11, there is now a "duress" button sequences that you can hit (even while the phone is still in your pocket) to force a passcode unlock:

    * http://bgr.com/2017/08/17/iphone-cop-button-ios-11-sos-touch-id/

    Remember, security isn't binary. Yes, the face and finger unlock is less secure than entering the passcode, but it is more secure than having no PIN / passcode whatsoever (which will probably be the case if those 'convenience' features weren't present). At least of most people: us ./ers are generally atypical when it comes to tech and security.

  33. Their own staff didn't know how it operated by Archon · · Score: 2

    "People were handling the device for [the] stage demo ahead of time and didn't realise Face ID was trying to authenticate their face."

    Everything had already been leaked, yet Apple's overzealous secrecy meant their own staff didn't know how to operate the devices they were being tasked to prepare for presentation. More than ample time/money/staff/resources to train the prep crew appropriately but deliberately chose not to.

    I'd consider this more a management error than the prep crew.

    1. Re:Their own staff didn't know how it operated by kencurry · · Score: 1

      I saw the live webcast, and actually the apple guy (don't remember his name) handled it pretty smoothly. Knowing it was a live demo in front of millions of people, the average VP might've hesitated, but demo was smooth overall. He went right back to opening the phone with facial without hesitation just a couple minutes later, so again I would say he seemed confident on how system would behave.

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    2. Re:Their own staff didn't know how it operated by Archon · · Score: 1

      That was Craig Federighi, SVP of software. He's been presenting at Apple events for years.

      I was referring to Apple's "white glove" crew that meticulously polishes and preps the devices prior to demonstration. They were the ones Apple claims didn't understand how Face ID worked during handling and what potential future consequences would come of it.

  34. Face ID Wipes Your Data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What would happen if Face ID failed to scan your face after so many attempts?
    Will your iPhone data get erased? Permanently bricked?
    This whole system sucks.

  35. bitter much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my god woman, get yourself to a nunnery!

  36. Nope, it doesn't use the camera at all. by Brannon · · Score: 1

    Try again.

  37. and I thought by renegade600 · · Score: 1

    and here I thought they were holding the phone wrong.

  38. Re:It will still ask for authentication to do anyt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wrong. Put the phone into DFU mode and iTunes will happily install whatever (signed) firmware you throw at it. It will only ask you for a passcode if you are trying to restore a backup, and that's only if the backup is encrypted.

  39. Poor staff member by DuroSoft · · Score: 1

    He was promptly taken outside and shot behind the chemical shed.