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Google Maps Ditches Walking Calorie Counter After Backlash (engadget.com)
Following online backlash, Google is removing a planned feature in Maps that shows you how many calories you'd burn when in walking mode. Google's attempt to promote a healthy lifestyle caused a number of people to lambast the feature on Twitter, claiming it would "shame" and even "trigger" those with eating disorders. Engadget reports: Taking note of the negative reaction, Google is now dumping the experiment. It confirmed to Engadget that the update was briefly tested on iOS, and has been abandoned based on user feedback. As The Hill's Taylor Lorenz noted in her tweets, there was no way to turn off the feature. Lorenz also claimed that using pink cupcakes as the unit of measurement was "lowkey aimed at women." Others pointed out that Maps wasn't the appropriate place for the update. After all, there are plenty of fitness and calorie counting apps that keep track of your activity and consumption -- again emphasizing how misplaced the feature was.
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>Google's attempt to promote a healthy lifestyle caused a number of people to lambast the feature on Twitter, claiming it would "shame" and even "trigger" those with eating disorders.
Those people are poisoning our society. They need to be ostracized and allowed to wallow in whatever ghetto they manage to find refuge in.
How can this feature be added back in? I'd find it handy.
What's wrong with encouraging people to walk instead of drive?
Where else could you put such a feature, apart from Maps? Adding navigation to a fitness app would be even worse.
What's wrong with pink cupcakes? Raspberry icing is awesome. How dare women try to claim it for themselves.
As a fat person myself, how is it offensive to be informed that you are burning calories by doing something? It's not like someone's telling you that you should go for a walk to burn calories because you really need it. They're telling you "hey, I noticed you're out on a walk, did you know that that's burning calories? good for you!"
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1) change your possibly useful feature to include the ability to turn it off, modify the icon, allow customization.
2) Demand, outraged, it be removed.
Guess which one prevailed.
A number of people lambasted the feature on Twitter, claiming it would "shame" and even "trigger" those with eating disorders.
Really?
Really?
Lorenz also claimed that using pink cupcakes as the unit of measurement was "lowkey aimed at women."
That would be a valid point (sort of) if it were true. It isn't. The article shows screenshots: it just shows a calorie count.
That being said, it's still likely a useless feature. People are wildly different, and how many calories an individual burns is going to depend on their weight, posture, walking gait, and who knows what other variables. Hell, even the current temperature and wind are probably enough to make the calorie counts completely wrong.
Remove it because it's going to be mostly meaningless, not because some snowflakes don't like to be reminded of just how inactive they are.
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else in the world where real help is needed?
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Your comment seems to imply that people with eating disorders should be ostracized. Eating disorders are mental health issues; in other words, they are serious medical issues. They require treatment by doctors, but they most certainly shouldn't be blamed or ostracized for having health issues. Your comment is flamebait and should be moderated as such.
Unless of course "those people" are the same as the "number of people" that are complaining about the feature. Yam's comment is insightful, and should be moderated as such.
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For real, wanting to go somewhere and wanting to get exercise are two completely different things. It's rarely overlapped where I don't care how long it'd take to get there so I'll burn some calories on foot. So it is completely useless and somewhat insulting, especially to people like me with mobility issues when it comes to walking. BUT screw those in-denial fat ass whiners who can't handle being told they're disgustingly unhealthy and need to do something about it. If they can't handle that simple fact, let alone taking steps to do something about it, that's THEIR own mental illness. DO NOT cater to those types.
If only it weren't against every principle of modern UI design to, you know, actually ALLOW PEOPLE TO TURN FEATURES ON AND OFF.
Because if it were, those who find a given feature useful could turn it on (or leave it turned on), and those who don't want it could simply turn it off (or leave it turned off), all without starting a massive Twitstorm.
But of course, it's no longer fashionable to trouble the user with such responsibilities. Google Knows What's Best For Us All(tm)... and if they don't, Apple and Microsoft will be happy to take on the burden of making decisions on our collective behalf.
I like the feature. It kinda makes sense.....I get that people with eating disorders and stuff can be hypersensitive to calorie counts and that it can cause them to engage in the behaviors that they're trying to avoid, but gah, still....it's a useful feature for those of us who try to walk as part of a fitness regimen and really need to track what our exercise buys us.
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By anything that remembers me I'm a obese sob.
From commercials depicting thin people, thin people passing by in the street. People doing biking, walking, etc. anything that doesn't glorify eating in excess and being a obese sob.
Oh, and I do get PTSD by the mere sight of sports stores and fitness centers. Check your body privilege!
Should I be institutionalized or at least cease being such a whinny little brat? NO! the whole world must cater to my fragile special snowflake ego, by avoiding any triggering allusion whatsoever.
Listen fatass, maybe 0.001% of fat people have 'eating disorders', the rest of them just stuff their fat faces and don't give a fuck. They need to be DISCIPLINED, not 'medically treated' -- unless you're going to include 'mental health treatment' in that, for their delusions that they have a 'medical condition'. What they need to do is MOVE MORE, EAT LESS, and stop being goddamned HAMPLANETS. Seriously, this delusional bullshit has infected every 1st-world country now, and the only way to stop it is to slap the shit out of these people until they come to their senses and stop with the 'health at every size' shit, and stop trying to make obesity into some sort of fucked-up VIRTUE. FAT IS FAT, it's UNHEALTHY, DISGUSTING, and it should NOT BE TOLERATED. Put 'em on a treadmill and prohibit them from feeding themselves, they have to eat what they're TOLD to eat, until they're not fatasses anymore. Parents allowing their children to become obese should be prosecuted for child abuse and the kids put into homes with people who understand the importance of appropriate nutrition and EXERCISE for growing bodies; no more video games, no more guzzling sodas and cookies and chips and crap like that, get your little ass OUTSIDE and play, ride your bike, and so on. Oh and you fatass women out there? YOU ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE, YOU ARE DISGUSTING. I'd rather fap to the Internet than have anything to do with you. GET THE FORK OUT OF YOUR MOUTH and get down to a PROPER weight or be foreveralone. Shame fat people? HELL YES, I say it becomes mandatory until the problem is solved!
Your reading comprehension is failing. What the OP implies is that people taking offense ON BEHALF OF OTHERS should be ostracized. These are the people that keep us from making tongue-in-cheek jokes, that keep us from calling people-of-a-non-white-skin-color black, and who generally live and breathe their own outrage, because only by trying to make the world PERFECT can they find meaning in their own pathetic little lives.
They are the ones who always know best, who will run from crusade to crusade to prove how great and noble they are, and they are a cancer upon the world.
People with eating disorders? I pity them and hope they get the help they need.
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That's it exactly. It's not that the feature is bad, it's that Google DIDN'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO TURN IT OFF.
That's the problem: once you appease them you're stuck with them. They smell weakness. They realize the power they have over you. They will demand more and more, never being satisfied.
Yeah-- give them the ability to turn one feature off, and people might start to demand that they be able to turn other features off. Turn off autoplay on videos! Turn off automatic notification of things you don't give a damn about! Why, some people might even want to turn off autocorrect!
I don't know which is worse: 1. Mentally unstable "people" who claimed this is an issue. 2. Mentally unstable "people" at Google who backed off on the feature.
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Your damn right, as a whiskey drinkin, cigar smokin, red meat eattin MAUN! I have never in my life ate a pink cupcake!
really wtf, why are pink cupcakes "aimed at women", just cause you happen to be a woman and desire a pink cupcake on your guilt walk? Well guess what, I have pink cupcakes, I am going to enjoy one, its strawberry with a little ribbon of rasberry jam in the middle, and you madam are not allowed to have one...
better?
I really have no more words....Just stupid. Might as well call a pedometer or smart watch a fat shaming product.
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If this offends you, it's time to get a health coach. A good one doesn't (necessarily) cost that much, and can be a tremendous help in losing weight. This is especially true for people who have emotional issues around food and get offended by it. This is not easy to do alone.
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Rather than just taking a shit on another seemingly useful feature, why not make it opt-in instead? The weenies that will complain about its mere existence can be ignored with extreme prejudice.
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What do I not get about people with eating disorders that would cause them to short-circuit by seeing a calorie estimate if they walked? Seems to me that it'd make for a positive motivator; it would encourage people to dare I suggest, "walk." I have a hard time seeing this as anything more than guilt avoidance by people choosing exercise impoverished lifestyles.
To me it looked like a pretty cool feature. It posed a "what if" that might encourage me to opt-in to walking when I otherwise might not have decided to walk and therefore opened my exercise tracking app. That's kind of a shame, I hope they revisit the idea, and just pacify the nay-sayers with an "off" switch.
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Speaking of UI design, I just with that Google Maps did the one thing I do request of it: Show the English names.
I understand that hundreds of villages in China may not have English-translatable names, but the Chinese characters certainly do have English-character translations. But when I am looking at Europe and every village is in the local language, I wonder why there is the option to choose English if it doesn't show the names in English.
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I think they mean the opposite end of the spectrum as well. Those who think they are fat, even though they wear a size 0 dress. The ones that have to burn off the calories from a banana.
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As The Hill's Taylor Lorenz noted in her tweets, there was no way to turn off the feature. Lorenz also claimed that using pink cupcakes as the unit of measurement was "lowkey aimed at women."
As a man who will eat the shit out of any pink cupcake that is dropped in front of him, I am highly offended by Lorenz's tweet. Lorenz is racist against men and sexist against pink! Boo!
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I think his point is that you can transliterate them
C'mon. This wasn't hurting anyone. I'm a 50+ yo lady who has about another 15 pounds to go on my own weight loss quest. I would love to have this feature in Google Maps. It's a great motivation. I love cupcakes but seriously, triggering from a cartoon icon? Have just a little backbone and self control!
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I'm fat. I know I'm fat. Having someone say to me "You're FAT!" may be uncouth and rude, but it's true.
And as I stated, it's something I am already aware of, thank you, Capt. Obvious.
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Those fat fat fatties are excellent consumers, leave them alone!
Hell yeah this. Everyone even semi-educated can read the Latin script these days -- most languages have a sane letter-to-sound mapping (*cough* English and French), thus even if you don't know that Polish 'w' is pronounced 'v' or Spanish 'j' is 'h', you'll get it close enough to be understood in speech.
I've made program (Debian package "tran") to transcribe (ok, transliterate with a 1/4-assed attempt at transcription) between writing scripts -- it'd be great if Google could pipe the names through this.
This version lacks CJK support as those characters are logographs rather than letters, thus they convey meaning rather than a series of sounds, but if you know which language they're in, the Unihan_Readings database is good enough for a first stab.
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People with diagnosed eating disorders are under medical care and hence constantly reminded of their disorder. The people who are likely complaining here are people with obesity who do not actually have a diagnosed eating disorder and merely claim an "eating disorder" as an excuse for their weight problem.
>> it would "shame" and even "trigger" those with eating disorders.
Oh no! We must shelter those delicate little flowers from facts and truthful information!
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Uh... I don't have the funds to move out of an industrial area and it would trigger me to see this information
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If you can ride in a car while simulating walking, can you drive them nuts?
It's also not in Google's interest to make such core functionality unusable by people suffering from psychological diseases, as it both needlessly restricts their market/data-farm, and comes across as extremely insensitive
Of course the optimal solution would be to just let people easily turn the feature off if it bothers them. Heck, I'd probably do so just because I don't want to waste pixels on information I don't care about.
As for pink frosting - I'm inclined not to read too much into it, but there's nothing sexist about acknowledging the existence of sexism. The association of pink with women/girls is well established in our society, and thus the fact that something is pink becomes an (imperfect) indicator that it is targetting women. Imperfect of course because there are legitimate other reasons to use pink, but you should probably do so with the assumption that the existing association with women will be invoked in your audience.
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There are many Type II diabetics out there who are controlling their blood sugar with drugs that have the unfortunate side effect of increasing their appetite. This makes it very difficult for them to avoid weight gain. I'd think that having an app that counts how many calories you're burning, especially one that you can't turn off, would be very unpleasant for them because of the implication that they could get rid of that extra weight "if they only tried harder."
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yes, but you're unlikely to manage your weight issues just by exercise. You *have* to eat less as well. An app that suggests exercise alone will fix your problems is counterproductive. And then there's BMR, which might exceed your calorific exercise burn. Get an app that does it all, and not a half-arsed one that just monitors exercise. And if you're T2, and you *are* gaining, it's just going to get worse, as you're going to need ever increasing amounts of those drugs that make you hungry. FWIW, Byetta got me off that positive feedback treadmill, to mix some metaphors.
Uhm... because you can't translate proper names?
Really? Let's see.
Open Google Maps in a new tab. Go to Europe. Zoom in on Hungary. Look northwest of Budapest. There is a green area named "Budai Tájvédelmi körzet". Pointing the mouse at the label, a box pops up with the English translation: Buda Landscape Protection Area -- I imagine the equivalent of a national forest or wildlife refuge.
So Google Maps knows the English version of the name, yet shows the local language on the map, despite my clear choice of English in the Settings page.
Besides, I already said that not every village will have an English-translatable name. Just like not every English, European, or American town has a name that translates directly into Chinese.
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Perhaps we should just ban pink and blue - fuck it, let's ban all colours (an even colors). Let the whingers wear shades of grey and be miserable.
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That would be "Yerdedmuthafuker'.
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What do I not get about people with eating disorders that would cause them to short-circuit by seeing a calorie estimate if they walked?
But the calorie counter is a pink cupcake on a system called Oreo, talk about the double whammy. No wonder they lost it.
This version lacks CJK support as those characters are logographs rather than letters, thus they convey meaning rather than a series of sounds
That is true for C and J, but not for K. K is phonetic.
I think they mean the opposite end of the spectrum as well. Those who think they are fat, even though they wear a size 0 dress. The ones that have to burn off the calories from a banana.
Burning off the banana calories with exercise is almost certainly better than vomiting it up, using laxatives to poop it out, or not eating it at all.
For everyone with an eating disorder who exercises too much, there are probably 10 that exercise too little.
Is it not delightful to see baizou turn on their own kind and tear one another to shreds?
yes, but you're unlikely to manage your weight issues just by exercise. You *have* to eat less as well.
Or, in my case, eat more calories without eating more carbs, because I'm Type 1.5 and I've been underweight for years. I was thrilled to learn that NovaLog causes weight gain, but all I gained was four pounds, less than half of what I was hoping for.
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Don't diabetics also benefit from walking in general, or doesn't walking help prevent diabetes? I'm not sure that diabetics are in the end a good argument *against* this.
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Just about everybody, including diabetics benefits from walking. My point was that counting steps, as in a pedometer is a good way to tell if you're getting enough exercise, but for many people who don't or can't get as much exercise as they need, the constant calorie count can look like a way to shame them into walking more, and that's counterproductive.
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What's with all the hypersensitive people the past few years? Do they get "triggered" when they see calorie counts on restaurant menus or nutrition labels?
The screenshots in linked to the article shows that the complainer looked up driving directions for somewhere 0.7 miles away. That's a little under 1,000 steps. Unless there is some good reason (taking lots of luggage, rough neighbourhood, person is disabled) surely most people would walk that? And if there is a good reason why would anyone see it as an insult?
It sends a very clear message that modern politics is failing to meet the needs of around half of the voting public, and change is required.
Not too dissimilar to the Brexit vote really. Dissatisfaction reached tipping point and people voted for something that they knew would hurt because it was still superior to the status quo.
What? Is Lorenz saying pink cupcakes are only for women? Is she saying pink is a girl color only? Or that cupcakes are only for girls? I am outraged at this sexist remark. I am a middle aged man that loves cupcakes of all colors, especially the pink ones.
We will eventually arrive at a point where nobody will even look at another person, much less try to communicate with them. I think we'll call it "the end of civilization".
I'm old and I hope I'm dead before we reach that point, but y'all have fun with it!
North Korean is purely phonetic, yeah. South Korean, though, contaminates a perfectly good alphabet (it's an alphabet even though they have that weird-for-us combining of three letters into one glyph) with Chinese logographs. Thus, they degrade a script which, true to the words of its 15th century inventor, can be learned in hours, into a monstrosity that requires several years to learn.
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If they aren't walking enough as is, "shaming" them into not walking more doesn't have any effect whatsoever. At the same time, consider all those people that *would* benefit from seeing how many calories they could lose.
Not everyone must conform to the wishes of the very small subset of T2DMs that somehow managed to get offended by seeing a calorie counter. Sometimes we have to live with not having the world shaped exactly the way we want it after all, and we might even grow as people from the experience.
It was a good idea and a good feature. I bet a lot of people would have loved it. But it hurt the feelings of some over-sensitive idiots, so now nobody can use it.
It's also not in Google's interest to make such core functionality unusable by people suffering from psychological diseases, as it both needlessly restricts their market/data-farm, and comes across as extremely insensitive
How far gone must you be to consider a calorie counter "extremely insensitive"?
If you find the mere existence of a calorie counter extremely insensitive, the problem is not with the calorie counter, I assure you.
I also assert that this thinking is far removed from the majority, and far removed from any rational demographic. The only people that would possibly complain about the existence of a calorie counter can accurately and reasonably be labelled as SJWs. Anyone else would, even if in disagreement, merely shrug their shoulders and move on.
It was a good, useful and sensible feature. Now it's gone because Google listened to idiots that should only be ignored.
Jews kill themselves off by in-breeding (they shun those among them who are marrying goyim, hoping to enhhance IQ by directed breeding), but their gene pool becomes ever more shallower as a side effect and hereditary diseases are abound.
Americans kill themselves off by refusing to move without motorization. An ass is no longer a beast of burden, but a lardish giant burden attached to the posterior of americans.
Japanese kill off themselves by refusing to move at all, as they become shut-ins, jerking off to anime.
Soon the planet will be owned by skiing finns, cycling dutch and black african runners.
The Brexit vote was a perfect example of cutting off the nose to spite the face. It's in nobody's interest, except for external parties that want to divide European countries and put them up against each other (i.e., Russia and the USA). Many voters only did it to annoy a few national politicians. But than, many would probably have voted differently had they known the outcome beforehand.
I'm a liberal who voted remain and can confidently say that this is a load of horseshit. Most people voted leave because it makes long term economic sense and the UK gets *very little* in return for their monetary contributions to the EU. UK politicians went to the EU several times to try and get issues resolved and negotiate a better partnership, but nobody in the EU thought the UK would have the balls to walk away, so they said "screw you" to all attempts.
The UK was very sensible in deciding to leave a one sided relationship and many of those who voted remain are disgusted at the behavior of the EU since the vote (seriously, they're acting like 4 year olds) and are now in the leave camp.
Please stop spreading false narrative that the people in the UK are regretting the decision, they really aren't.
I'm going to go ahead and call her an idiot. I'm going to follow that up with calling her parents idiots because her first name is a job she'll never have. Plus they raised an idiot.
What's their point? If people are being "triggered" and "shamed" by the data, maybe they should ignore it or use another app? Who gives a fuck... This entire padded world we're creating is bullshit. They should have added a toggle to disable it, then create a "hurt snowflake" counter that counts the number of people that turned it off.
Furthermore, conforming to every small subset (to make it fair) will result in something that is worthless or result in nothing at all (e.g. those who insist that sat-nav/electronic maps are no substitute for a paper map).
If showing calories is causing people with eating disorders some grief perhaps we should remove all information on retail food packaging. We wouldn't want somebody with anorexia to see that an Oreo contains 25 calories otherwise they might choose not to upgrade their Android device.
Of course, as has been said already, if Google permitted the calorie function to be switched off that would be a simple fix and would hopefully please everyone.....(who am I kidding?!)
If I was being shown icons of cupcakes I would get super hungry for cake. I'm breaking into a sweat just thinking about the crunchy skin on the icing right now.
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It depends on which version of Spanish you're talking about. There are many accents (and even dialects) for Spanish, with the most significant being the basic New World/Old World split.
When I was in the Mexico City area, for example, I found that the J often makes almost no sound. So Julio sounded like "Oolio".
I've had family with anorexia - hard enough for them to stop starving themselves without not-so-subtle encouragements to reduce/burn calories. It's not that it's an insult or anything - it just aggravates an already life-threatening psychological condition.
And the point is not "the mere existence of a calorie counter", it's the fact that it's unavoidably integrated into important core functionality of your smartphone.
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My favourite is Citymapper which reports the 13 minute walk from my office to a nearby bar as taking up "49 cal, 3% of daily intake or 0.1 cheeseburgers or 0.3 pints of beer"
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It says a lot about our so-called cultures that you feel the need to post this as an AC to avoid the political backlash of speaking out on what really is happening with Brexit. I call our cultures so-called because any culture that cannot/will_not allow the free expression of ideas that reject the current media/academia/elite-imposed mantra is not a viable/self-sustaining culture. It is a self-destructive culture that will eat it's own and thus destroy itself through lack of the ability to actually think.
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As a Type II diabetic who struggles with weight due to multiple factors, including insulin, I can tell you that the idea that the feature should be abandoned because some snowflake might take offense is that substance that comes from the northern end of a southbound horse.
So what if I struggle with my weight. Should everyone else in the world be penalized, kept from having access to useful data, because of my personal health issues? What a crock of that same substance I mentioned above. This is nothing but pure selfishness on the part of anyone who would complain about such a thing. Anyone that selfish needs to be "triggered" as often as possible to teach them the world does not revolve exclusively around them.
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If you go into a chain restaurant, the food items are clearly labeled with their calorie count. If you get food in a grocery store, the foods have a label whose content is regulated to let you know the nutritional information, including the calorie count. These measures were enforced to let people know what they are eating, so that people could see the numbers and adjust accordingly. These numbers aren't political, they are simply the facts. If you want to have a Big Mac, go right ahead. I guess if you get triggered because you are overweight, you don't go in chain restaurants. That probably likely works out better.
But adding an indicator that shows where you can burn some calories by walking (or biking?) as an alternative to driving is offensive? Give me a break. I've used this tool to find a way to get some extra walking in, just to see how the time works out. Having a calorie count would just be icing on the cupcake.
You can also say Hanukkah like "han new kuh" and you'll be understood, but it's not correct. It should sound like you're winding-up a spit, and many spell it with a "ch" instead of a "h" using latin characters to further drive this point.
Your point is non-existent. Anyone who would look at an app published to the general public and see it as an attack upon them personally has a lot bigger problem than their weight. They are paranoid beyond belief.
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It is subtle in that it changes slightly the way you "lead-in" to the following sound whilst itself generally not having a direct sound. English speakers commonly relate this to an "h", which is close.
To quote a source:
The j sound is what is known as a voiceless velar fricative, which means that it is formed by forcing air through the slightly constricted back part of the mouth. It's kind of a scraping or raspy sound from the back of the mouth. If you've learned German, you may know it as the ch sound of Kirche. You may hear it sometimes in English in the word "loch" when given a Scottish accent or as the initial sound of "Hanukkah" with a Hebrew accent.
One way you might think of the sound is as an extended "k." Instead of sounding out the "k" in an explosive fashion, try lengthening the sound.
The sound of the j varies with region. In some areas, the j sounds almost like a soft "k," and in some places it sounds very close to the "h" sound in words such as "hot" or "hero," although perhaps aspirated a bit more strongly.
If you give the j the sound of the English "h," as many English-speaking Spanish students do, you will be understood, but keep in mind that is only approximate.
So lets remove nutrition facts from labels of food, because seeing the number of calories on food might shame people into eating less/smarter!
Come on, this is NOT a trigger condition. This is not like showing local needle exchanges automatically which might trigger a drug addict.
Comes from the northern end of a southbound horse? What's that, dust?
So change the damn icon! Don't nuke the feature! Show a picture of an pedometer rolling or something.
Sure... but then the people that had the feature activated could use the fact that they activated it to shame people that didn't activate it.
You should be ashamed of such an oversight.
Other health features would be ok - like air pollution overlay
My chosen gender is "air polluter" you insensitive clod!
If you wonder what kind of partner an "air polluter" seeks, it's the gender "Rolling Coal".
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You can't translate proper names huh? Remind me... was ist Deutschland auf Englisch?
At first I thought this was blowing up too hard if they shut it down, I'm not sure triggering ED people should prevent caloric counters but
That's a no no. Like a BIG no no. It's things like this and removing headphone jacks that make me wonder if engineers are even people or if algorithms are deciding everything.
I didn't think so at first. But after thinking about it for 30 minutes or so I kinda agree. Maybe unintentionally aimed at women but whoever thought a cupcake was a good idea probably had a woman in their head.
I disagree. I think it would have been a very interesting feature but it needs a default off switch. I'd like to be able to turn it on though.
which is a different sort of information than that this was giving you. This could have made things like planning your walk using google maps better. I think it was designed wrong but it could have been a good idea. I'm mildly sad it's gone but not gonna cry over it. Rather have it gone than forced on everyone.
Just another second banana
Where does this "pink" cupcake come from? I saw the Twitter screenshot. There's not a cupcake, only a calorie count.
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Why must everybody bow to the tyranny of the majority? Just make it opt in, and I've no objection.
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You guys are hurting his feelings. Stop exposing his stupidity or else he'll bust out a infographic on logical fallacy and prove you wrong once and for all.
"Tyranny of the majority" is more commonly named 'Democracy', and is by some strange people considered "a nice thing to have". But if you don't like it, you are always free to try your hand somewhere where this "tyranny of the majority" is not employed. I hear Somalia and Angola are both doing great. Just remember to keep your passport safe.
But yes, as has been mentioned in many places, making it an opt-out feature would be the decent choice.
In case you missed this in school, one of the reasons the US government is set up the way it is is to prevent the tyranny of the majority, and protect the rights of the minority.
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You mean like the first past the goal post model for presidential elections, or the majority votes for congressional candidates? Or the judgement by a jury of peers? Or the long process of amending the constitution where a twothirds majority must vote in favor? Or the Supreme Court where a majority vote is needed?
I don't doubt you have a valid point, but I do question that it is as permeating as these examples.
No, I mean that if we had the type of democracy you think we have, the last presidential election would have been decided by two states: California and New York. I suppose you would have preferred that, but that's not how things work in the US. Also, please note that although the House of Representatives gives the various states votes in proportion to their population, the Senate gives each the same number, to balance things out and keep the big states from forcing their will on the little ones.
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It's always nice to see people comment on things they have no clue about. I have been living in South Korea for over a decade now, and I can tell you that your statement is absolutely untrue.
While I indeed can't read Hangul nor Hanja, I know enough to tell them apart. Or, use a script to do so.
The page you linked to indeed looks Han-free, but a random corpus of Korean text I've analyzed, both years ago when writing that transcription program and right now, show quite a lot of Han characters being used. For example, Wikipedia's article for "Korea" has 525 unique Hangul and 75 unique Hanja. How can you understand a text if you can't read a good part of it? Likewise, a transcription program is kind of worthless if it leaves random pieces unconverted.
From what I read, this varies a lot in different contexts. When you want to type a text quickly, messing with input methods is inconvenient, thus I understand why people don't want to bother. But especially in names (the only thing someone not knowing the language wants to read) Hanja seems to be still widespread.
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I would have loved this feature. Oh well, guess the regressives win again.
LOL. That, and those dark brownish green piles of apples that horses leave behind them.
"while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." de Tocqueville
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That is because the number of locals looking at those maps far exceeds the number of non-locals looking at those maps.
Pointing the mouse at the label works? Good, you have a workaround. Stop being lazy.
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It seems to be doing an awfully-good job at maintaining that...
Too bad that means sucking at most of the other things.
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I'm *outraged* that Google Maps includes Traffic Reports, as it's insensitive to those who can't afford a car or are immobile.
Satellite view will need to go too. Imagine if homeless people see that other people live in houses. What injustice is in the World.
Whoa, wait a minute there, your "statistically speaking" is awfully flawed.
You fail to take into account weighted values.
It is way more likely for a Hungarian person to look at a Hungarian map than an American person looking at a Hungarian map (unless you're trying to invade Hungary too...). According to your assumption, I guess the USA map names should be shown in Mandarin... or Hindi... or Spanish, because either of those languages is above English as a native spoken language. If you also count totals, then Mandarin it is.
Google, are you reading this? We only need Mandarin labels in your Maps application.
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Whoa, wait a minute there, your "statistically speaking" is awfully flawed.
And your claim of "That is because the number of locals looking at those maps far exceeds the number of non-locals looking at those maps." is any better?
You fail to take into account weighted values.
No I don't. You missed a lot of valid arguments.
It is way more likely for a Hungarian person to look at a Hungarian map than an American person looking at a Hungarian map (unless you're trying to invade Hungary too...).
1) Why limit it to Americans? That's a big assumption. Did I use the number of people in the US? No, I used the number of people in Europe. The ~730 million Europeans who do not speak Hungarian. As opposed to the ~10 million who do.
How many of the non-Hungarian-speaking people of Europe use Google Maps to plan a trip across the continent? As opposed to how many Hungarian-speaking people use Google Maps to see Hungary?
Or do you also assume that non-Hungarian-speakers make it a point to avoid Hungary?
2) One random national forest in Hungary was an example. The same situation happens with places in other countries across Europe.
France: Parc Naturel Régional de la Forêt d'Orient is listed as such on the map, and the popup box has "Forêt d'Orient Natural Regional Park". So it is half translated. Google Translate gives the full translation as "East Forest Regional Nature Park", why not label it as such?
Spain: ZEPA Sierra de San Pedro in western central Spain could simply be labeled as Sierra de San Pedro Bird Sanctuary, because that is what a "ZEPA" is.
Ukraine: Actually has English names on the map for several of their national forests or preserves. Why can't Google do this for the rest?
Others: I looked at several locations across Europe, and saw a great mix of the above examples, full local, mixed local and English, or full English. Limiting your argument to Hungarian based on my one previous example doesn't work.
According to your assumption, I guess the USA map names should be shown in Mandarin... or Hindi... or Spanish, because either of those languages is above English as a native spoken language. If you also count totals, then Mandarin it is.
Tell me where I said only use one language. Please, copy and past my statement to that effect.
Or, maybe, I said that because I specifically chose "English" as the default language, places that have English translations should be displayed in English. If I chose Italian, I would expect the labels to be in Italian. If I chose Mandarin, I would expect Mandarin.
Google, are you reading this? We only need Mandarin labels in your Maps application.
Thank you for showing your level of intelligence. I wasn't sure about it before.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
I'm a liberal who voted remain and can confidently say that this is a load of horseshit. Most people voted leave because it makes long term economic sense and the UK gets *very little* in return for their monetary contributions to the EU. UK politicians went to the EU several times to try and get issues resolved and negotiate a better partnership, but nobody in the EU thought the UK would have the balls to walk away, so they said "screw you" to all attempts.
Don't be dense, the majority voted leave because they bought into the money for the nhs lie or to get rid of foreigners line. Neither of which are happening or have any indication of happening while Maybot is in charge. No one in the leave camp was talking economics, they were painting a picture of a rosy wonderland where we are masters of our own destiny or some shit. It was a 52% vote on a non binding referendum (remember how they kept pointing that out before?) and then they ran with it because its a chance to make a few people very rich which shafting everyone else which is par for the tory course really. Brexit is a fucking joke, not only that it's a shambles.
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Where was the feature in Google Maps that showed me the estimated burned calories while walking or cycling? It would definitely be useful. Now I know. Thanks to the Social Justice Warriors I can't have it. Thank you Google for bending over for the SJW mob.
Spanish 'j' is 'h'
The J is pronounced similar to Scottish/German/Dutch 'ch'. It's nothing like 'h' in English.
That's why Jif became Cif.
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Anorexia is certainly a serious issue for those it affects. However it's in the noise, barely even in the noise, in terms of cost in money and lives in this country. For each of your family members who died from it (let's round up to 1, if it's 0) there are probably 1000 people who died or had serious quality of life issues due to obesity related causes.
They should definitely get help and treatment, but acting like anorexia (and related undereating disorders) are even a vague consideration in any kind of policy compared to obesity is absolutely silly.
OK, feel free to build an app which uses Google's API to overlay $LANGUAGE translated names onto Maps. After all, nobody's stopping you.
Sell that app on the Google Play store and get rich. Start now and make the world a better place.
FYI yes, locals looking at local maps is far more likely than foreigners looking at the same maps for glaringly obvious reasons, with ONE exception: top tourist areas with small local population (e.g. Venice). And for those, it's BETTER to have labels in local language because you can cross-check them with real labels. If you see a sign called "Rue de Poisson" and your phone says you're on "Fish Street" you might get confused.
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I really want an option, on my Android phone, to turn off the stupid voice assistant that's constantly triggering when I'm trying to play music through my car stereo!!!!!!! Not that I'm bitter about it or anything...
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Not sure how any of that prevents a tyranny of the majority. It just frigs around with how you decide who the majority is.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Sure, it's not a huge problem in percentages, especially at life-threatening levels, and *especially* not compared to obesity.
But it's estimated that around 2-3% of women suffer from an eating disorder (anorexia, bulimia, etc). That's between 4 and six MILLION people in the US with a condition that's aggravated by calorie-counters. That's an awful lot of people to tell to "just deal with it" without being an asshole.
Seriously - I'm all for having the counter be available, even on by default. Just make it possible to turn it off for those millions of people for whom it's a problem.
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Most people voted leave because it makes long term economic sense
Not all, but a significant number, voted leave because they wanted to keep out foreigners.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it