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CIA Captured Putin's 'Specific Instructions' To Hack the 2016 Election, Says Report (thedailybeast.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Daily Beast: When Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., CIA Director John Brennan and FBI Director James B. Comey all went to see Donald Trump together during the presidential transition, they told him conclusively that they had "captured Putin's specific instructions on the operation" to hack the 2016 presidential election, according to a report in The Washington Post. The intel bosses were worried that he would explode but Trump remained calm during the carefully choreographed meeting. "He was affable, courteous, complimentary," Clapper told the Post. Comey stayed behind afterward to tell the president-elect about the controversial Steele dossier, however, and that private meeting may have been responsible for the animosity that would eventually lead to Trump firing the director of the FBI.
When you require careful and concerted choreography to explain simple concepts to your president, there might be a problem.
If your boss explodes when reality does not conform to his wishes, he just might be a snowflake.
The real surprise would be if they didn't find any evidence of this.
Were those Putin's exact words or the MSM ubiquitous translation?
If you show the average person evidence that someone is doing something bad, they might ask questions about the reliability of the evidence.
If his own spy agency shows Trump evidence that Russia is doing something bad, he denounces them and has an off-the-record chat with Putin.
I wouldn't trust a spy agency as a general rule - their whole existence is about getting what they want by deception - but I'd hardly trust the Russians when it comes to a domestic agency's claims against them.
This immediately leads to questions about why a president might trust a foreign power over his own agencies. And more questions when there are records of his team attempting to work with that same power to scuttle an opponent's election bid, that have been consistently lied about in an obvious cover-up.
But this is Trump, so this will amount to another round of Twitter outrage and blow over.
Publish them... SHOW us all this "Evidence" I want to SEE it. Not hear about it. I can hear lies from ALL directions. SHOW ME THE TRUTH!
So the U.S. hacked Russian communications?
Don't forget the uranium. And the Russians.
Just forget the part about those things already being looked into and dismissed.
Somehow we are expected to believe that Putin was conspiring with Trump to get him elected at the exact same time he was working with Hillary to prevent him from getting elected. And the Democrats that were screaming for Comey to be fired for months are suddenly outraged when Trump does what they asked for. *And* somehow the CIA and FBI are chock full of integrity at the same time they are hiring spouses to build fake reports to damage Trump and switching to use HAM radios to avoid being recorded. *And* Clapper, who lied under oath to congress is suddenly trustworthy. Is the American memory really that bad?
>With the Meuller investigation falling apart
There's no evidence that's happening, and in fact there is evidence to the contrary. Not much, though, because Mueller is being a professional about it all. Oh noes! Someone on his team thinks Trump's an idiot and got booted! Let me let you in on a secret: the vast majority of those who have taken notice of Trump think he's an idiot. It'd be surprising if there weren't people on Mueller's team of the same opinion. (Though it's sad they were unprofessional enough to go on about it in a recorded medium).
>dems refocusing on sexual assault allegations against Trump,
Much like rabid Republicans, they're jumping to whatever is currently in the public eye and looks like it'll work. This is surprising how?
> I think this is pretty much bullshit until they release it.
Much like Trump's claims of wealth and his denial of Russian connections. Bullshit until it's backed up by documentation.
And honestly, there's not a person in the world with less credibility than Trump when it comes to the truth, so by default I'd logically have to accept almost anyone else's word over his until proof is provided.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-14/new-russian-hacker-claims-putin-ordered-theft-clintons-email-after-first-one-refused
There is the simple fact that even if the DNC and Hillary were hacked by the Russians, which evidence shows that it was mostly leaked data by their own people, they were acting in a criminal manner to rig the nomination process and to burn Trump with made with a made up dossier
I for one do not care how the information came out. The fact that it came out was good enough for me. I actually hope hackers all over the world do this every election. Break in to both sides as show where all the bodies are buried. Maybe then we can end some of the corruption that plagues governments.
Exactly.
The media has been pounding on the Russian drum for over a year now. So far, it's a big nothing-burger. A few alleged Facebook ads, not even a molecule in a drop in a bucket. Otherwise, endless allegations, but a stunning lack of actual proof.
Really, it's like the media are trying to distract from something. Like, maybe, Trump isn't doing such a bad job after all?
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
Turns out the entire FBI leadership was, and mostly still is, a rat's nest of opposition to him filled with unethical bureaucrats who think it's their right to have "insurance policies against the President" among other things.
If this were happening in 2009, the Democrats would have been giving Obama--rightly--carte blanch to purge the entire agency's leadership above the level of GS15. It doesn't matter what you think of Trump or Obama. Neither of them were Hitler or Stalin or anything like that. The only proper response from the federal civil service to their every lawful order is "yes, sir." Anything else is insubordination; this is approaching mutiny.
He continued and expanded W. Bush's policies so much, that we, outside of the usVSthem brainwashing call him Bush 3.0 (because W was 2.0).
If you manage to look at the actual actions and results, it is one continous progress since at least Nixon. Parties don't mean fuck-all. Which is obvious, given that they are staffed with 100% lobbyists (which used to be a crime, treated as treason, punished with a maximum sentence).
Poor A/C, the truth will set you free.
If you can stomach it, read the Washington Post article. It's filled with page after page of "he said she said".
Not one shred of evidence. I'm sure Russia, and every other country, has a preferred outcome in mind with regard to all foreign elections, but I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that ANY country manipulated our vote count in any way.
Up to this point it still appears that Russia bought some ads to try to sway the vote. There is no evidence that they hacked any voting machines. There appears to be no evidence of the Russians hacking anyone's email either.
Can we move on? Hillary lost Trump won.
Trump has been dancing with putin. There's no evidence of it... but if you keep looking you can piece a story together that loosely fits that narrative.
Trump has been colluding with russia. There's no evidence of it... but if you keep looking you can piece a story together that loosely fits that narrative.
In either case, no illegal activity has taken place.
So a "news" agency makes an outlandish claim and produces no evidence to support that claim and we are expected to simply believe it.
My how Slashdot has fallen - this used to be a place for evidence based discussion. Now it's a sewing circle.
Trump was too casual on this. And like this intelligence world is holding more. If Trump/pence loved America, they would simply step down and allow ryan to take over. Neither trump nor pence love America enough to do what is right. They are going to force America to release more which will only help Russia/China know how and where we monitor them.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
The ramblings of an A/C are usually caused by a lack calcium in their diet.
so where is that evidence?
we want to see it...
until then its just garbage
Wrong Don...
>Mueller has been at it for almost a year now and besides some sound bites and headlines on CNN nothing truly significant has come out yet.
Didn't Watergate take a couple of years before Nixon resigned?
I think you vastly underestimate the time requirements of a properly executed investigation of a sitting president.
>He's wasting time, trying to keep his job afloat. When he's done his career will be over and he knows it.
That sounds like what you hope to be true, but Mueller's professional reputation will be affected by how well his team follows the rules for such investigations.
Strzok doesn't use Linux, and can't spell his name.
Please! What is that supposed to mean? Did they actually flip votes on the machines, or somehow forced people to vote Republican? This is tabloid press bullshit.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Where I live (far away from the US in Europe), absolutely everybody I've ever talked to about Trump thinks that he's an idiot. I haven't come across a single exceptions. If there are Trump supporters where I live, they must be hiding very well. People agree so much about this that I occasionally found myself in the odd position of defending Trump a little bit during his campaign, but I've stopped doing that after he got elected and regret it now.
...and you can believe as much or as little of that as you like.
Almost every story, the right wing noise brigade shows up with their out and out bullshit. The purpose is not even to shut down debate, it's just to firebomb the threads so there is nothing meaningful contained therein.
Happened earlier with the FCC NN thread. Now this one. Just lies and talking points.
So, maybe they are right, and NN doesn't matter. The SNR is so low now, the internet is useless.
>Where I live (far away from the US in Europe), absolutely everybody I've ever talked to about Trump thinks that he's an idiot.
Must be a distance thing. I'm in Canada and there are definitely a few people here who think he's OK (though with a lot of excuses, mainly for his tweets). Not enough to get him elected dog catcher, but there are fans.
This is the same James Clapper who lied under oath in proceedings in Congress. Not sure he can be trusted to make any comments at this point.
... Trump was the sort of person who would...
...kill the messenger. A petty little man.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/donald-trump-pursues-vladimir-putin-russian-election-hacking/?utm_term=.142f74849f3c
Didn't Watergate take a couple of years before Nixon resigned?
It took a couple years because they didn't get the "smoking gun" tapes until 2 years after the event happened. Once they had those, iirc he stepped down a month or two later.
Even without those tapes he would most likely have been impeached, but the evidence against him up until that point was much weaker.
Hillary didn't lose because of Russia. Trump didn't win because of Russia.
Ignore Russia for five seconds if you can... Hillary was a weak candidate and so was pretty much the entire republican field.
Jeb Bush for example carried 3 percent of the republican vote. Hillary is generally disliked by most of her own party. Trump naturally is one of the most disliked presidents in US history. But he didn't win the election because people liked him. He won because for whatever reason... he said he was going to do things and people believed him.
Pretending that the current political circumstances are the result of the Russians is deranged. This is the same sort of blind spot that lead to Al Gore losing the election against Bush 43. Anyone that studied the gore vs bush election knows that Gore made a lot of mistakes. If you tell yourself you lose because of the Russians or because the Supreme Court robbed you... then you're going to keep losing and you'll deserve to lose.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Actually the texts are from their government phones. The texts referenced burner phones, but we haven't seen what was discussed on those.
Seriously Hilary Clinton was the worst candidate anyone has seen and she lost, maybe if you realize that you can start to understand why she lost and why her plan was so bad.
I wouldn't mind if the US worked to influence Russian elections and get Putin voted out. Turnabout is fair play, right? Hanging onto power for forever minus a day is what Putin cares about most, and he's willing to tear Western society apart from the inside to help achieve that goal. I think he's a more dangerous character than Kim Jong Un at this point.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
the fact that we learned that the HRC team contributed to the campaign of an FBI deputy directors wife, to escape indictment; and another special prosecutor's wife works for Fusion GPS, the same wife who provided this 'dirt dossier' to the FBI, to her husband, the same person who spearheaded the wire tap in trump tower. (remember back in may when you insisted that trump was making that part up about an illegal wire tap?)
Here is why his investigation is struggling:
Peter Strzok - dismissed for bias and losing objectivity. This was more than saying something negative in a text, his entire career just got sacked to a shitty desk job in human resources. This wasnt a small thing, according to Meuller.
Buce Ohr - we learned that he met with Fusion GPS many times during the campaign, and his wife WORKS for fusionGPS and was part of the anti-trump dossier
Andrew McCabe - Deputy FBI Director and husband to Jill McCabe, while running for a Senate seat, received $467,000 in contributions from Terry McAuliff right around the time that her husband, Andrew, edited the words 'grossly negligent' to 'extremely careless' in Comey's statement, because 'grossly negligent' is the precise words in the law that would have triggered an indictment.
now stand back and look at this objectively... if HRC had won, and this same investigation was underway trying to impeach her, and you have all these examples of the investigation team being packed with hillary haters... so she screams VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY at the top of her lungs again... would you consider the fact that the prosecution would have a hard time moving anywhere with this?
You do understand impeachment right? Simple majority of the House has to vote for impeachment and 75% of the Senate has to vote to remove him. With all this 'reasonable' doubt and allegations of bias flying around, its never ever ever going to cross the 75% threshold and most of the senate republicans do not even like the guy.
And People take his words and run with them, only later do the News Agencies claim they were wrong (less Foxnews). I for one am tired of it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us...
I had such a warm fuzzy after Roy Moore was beat by Doug Jones, that I'm looking forward to Trump's ouster.
Why would you expect to hear everything he has found before he is ready to press charges? Why would you expect it to be a quick slap dash affair to (potentially) gather evidence of treason? Maybe he's only cheated on his taxes and everything else is "fine" but surely the subject of his investigation warrants caution? Unseating an elected official shouldn't be easy, even if he's a turd.
He is not the most credible guy.
Bill Maher VS Donald Trump - The Full Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
that a little birdie told them so. Really compelling stuff.
But who cares -- it's flashy and hugely controversial, and so will generate a yuuuuge number of SlashClicks.
Yes, people from all over the world are trying the hack the US all the time. What else is new?
The issue is whether, or not, Trump was personally involved in an illegal conspiracy to rig the election.
And that issue, the real issue, is not even addressed.
Putin controls the CIA. He won it in a card game with Trump.
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Hacking? It's just the word of the day...
For the last 12 moths it's been "Collusion".. I'm good with the change because it means they cannot keep the pretense going any more so they changed terms..
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
The Nixon investigation took days after Watergate. Sure there was an investigation going nowhere far but unless they have evidence and witnesses, they won't indict, once a prosecutor has those, he will (or should) immediately send to the court and file the paperwork.
If you have all the evidence and witnesses and you're just waiting on your hands to get a "better" witness, you risk the entire case.
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Trump supporters: dumber than cattle
When all else fails, insult your opponents en mass because that's a good way to get them to vote for your ideas.
Who's dumb? I think you are all hat and no cattle myself..
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Um... In your hypothetical, Putin ordered his resources to back Trump.
Problem here is that there is more involved in this a problem for Trump. First you have to show that Putin was ordering his folks to help Trump, this story doesn't show that. THEN, Trump (or his surrogate) must have agreed to Putin doing this.
If Putin was just putting his resources to work to "hack" the election to spread FUD, but didn't care about which candidate won, Trump is clear.
If Putin was supporting Trump but no duly authorized member of the Trump campaign authorized it (or asked for it), Trump is in the clear.
If you cannot prove all three of these things, Trump is in the clear.
So you have to have more than this story... Keep looking sir..
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Or they don't give a shit about revealing themselves. For example if the entire exercise was done to sew discord and disrupt the American economy, then being able to trace it back to Russia isn't quite so important. As long as short term goals like Russian energy interests are achieved.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Trump Derangement Syndrome go hand and hand!
I'm not sure I understand you. I have my settings adjusted so that I almost never see anything from AC unless the comment is heavily moderated up. Based on their rare appearances (sometimes in Parent searches), I am convinced I am missing nothing of significance.
I think there is a better solution, though it would not be minor. I can describe it briefly, however. One description is to make karma more symmetric to moderation. An alternative description would be to make public reputation more symmetric with respect to private representation. Lots of detailed suggestions available upon polite request, or you can just rummage around among my old comments.
At this point I think Slashdot is basically what it is. Sort of sad to see it falling on such hard times and sort of frustrating to see the potential for improvements. However there is no evidence things will ever improve, which I mostly attribute to the broken financial models. The question is not "change" or "no change", but "smooth change" versus "disruptive change". There is also the dimension of getting better or worse. I would currently place Slashdot in the quadrant of gradual change for the worse. (Makes me realize I can tag three of the cells as "declining", "collapsing", and "improving", but I don't know how to label the 4th cell. Perhaps because it is so rare?)
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
What does "hack the 2016 presidential election" mean? I'm not seeing it in the article. Maybe the WaPo article has it.
Is it any different from what journalists with a political preference do?
Also, how long does it take for the FBI/NSA/CIA to create a fake document? Not that we've seen any document. At least I haven't. Maybe someone else here has.
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
This is the problem when an organization engagesn decades of lies and deception. Your can't believe anything they say. If they called anything, you still can't be sure who exactly it was that sent what they captured. You'd have to trust them. They've proven over and over and over they can't be trusted.
Only boring people are ever bored.
Comey stayed behind afterward to tell the president-elect about the controversial Steele dossier, however, and that private meeting may have been responsible for the animosity that would eventually lead to Trump firing the director of the FBI.
Perhaps, but maybe it's exactly because of the reason he stated - the botched investigation and public announcements involved with the Clinton email investigation, you know the reason countlessdemocrats were calling for his firing earlier that same year under Obama.
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