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Walmart Is Planning a Store Without Cashiers (recode.net)
According to Recode, Walmart's startup incubator is experimenting with a cashier-less store concept called Project Kepler, which "aims to reimagine the in-store shopping experience with the help of technologies like computer vision." The goal is reportedly the "creation of physical stores that would operate without checkout lines or cashiers -- in a similar fashion to Amazon's futuristic Amazon Go store." From the report: The Project Kepler project focused on the future of in-store shopping is being led by Mike Hanrahan, the co-founder and former chief technology officer for Jet.com, multiple sources tell Recode. It is located in Hoboken, N.J., where Jet is based. A Project Kepler job listing for a "computer vision engineer" says that the role will involve creating a "best-in-class consumer experience in the physical retail space." Amazon's Go concept uses a combination of sensors and cameras to track what each store shopper takes off of shelves so it can automatically bill them for their purchase without their having to stop to pay on the way out. The store's launch has been severely delayed, however, with reports that the technology did not work well when the store was crowded. Walmart is envisioning a similar system that would potentially eliminate the need for cashiers in stores outfitted with the technology. Walmart has more than two million employees worldwide, many of whom work at checkout.
If it has enough automated machine guns in the inside and outside.
Mount cameras everywhere and do an internet live feed. Peopleofwalmart will have a field day.
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Combined with robotic stockers, a walmart store will probably bring under two dozen jobs while destroying many more jobs.
In theory, it's good because it lowers prices. But once no one has money left, lower prices don't matter.
And walmart closes shop and moves on to extract money from another economy.
I'm not against it. But we need to seriously slow down automation or our entire way of life/system of government is at risk of collapsing into an autocratic oligarchy.
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People have much less ethical concerns to fool machines then they have with people. So people are going to try to trick the system much more often than they would with people there.
I tried Walmart's self-checkout lane once. After scanning about 50 items and putting them on the scale, it suddenly decides that a can of cashews is not heavy enough and no progress is possible. I had to call in a human cashier just to abort the process and go to a proper checkout lane.
If the self-checkout is anything to go by, avoid this new cashierless store in much that same manner that a plague would.
rumor has it, that US shops have such people. Do they still exist? Wouldn't it be easier to do without them than cashiers?
Lot of people want service at places like WalMart. Sure a couple items are fine for self check. But a cart full of groceries do you really think people will just do this themselves ? I always wondered why WalMart has like 15 checkout lanes and only two are open? Want to save money WalMart why waste money on checkouts you donâ(TM)t plan to use. Personally without the human assistance why even bother to shop at WalMart?
With any sufficiently large number of items you can almost gaurantee the self checkout will complain at some point and require a member of staff to put in an override code.
Quite why these checkouts require you to put the damn things in the bagging area to be weighed is a mystery to me - if you're going to steal something you're not going to scan it in the first place, it'll go straight from trolley to bag!
The assumptions these systems make and the constant faults they exhibit lead me to believe they were designed by idiots and coded by minimum wage morons presumably somewhere in asia.
I rarely go in Walmart, but the last time I did I saw four self-checkouts and only two human cashiers. The rest of the checkouts were unused and the lines were really backed up. I didn't buy anything, just turned around and walked out.
The idea of customers checking out their own items is great in theory, but it just doesn't work that well most of the time.
I'll gladly stand in line to get money, but I'll be damned if I stand in line to give money. Want my business? Then make it convenient for me to shop in your store. That means hiring more (good) people and moving your ass a little faster.
When I think of Walmart I do not think of "best in class" for anything.
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There are plenty of things that are neither trivial nor useless, though.
but what if I genuinely enjoy making small talk with the cashiers? .___.;;
People always look at me weird when I talk to machines
...supermarkets in the UK have had remote hand-held bar code readers for its customers for the last couple of decades. You scan your shopping and then either take in home yourself or leave it at customer service, who'll deliver it for free the next day. No need for guards on the doors or people spying on them because, as it turns out, their customers are pretty honest and trustworthy.
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I generally use self checkout at Walmart but if I am purchasing alcohol it's all stop until a Walmart employee okays the transaction. How will this work?
Those self checkout machines are great when they work.
But then they start annoying you, especially if you bring your own bags, they absolutely want you to put your items on they god damn weight crap and if it detects a different weight than the item (like say, you bag's weight), "remove unscanned items to continue". After that, it also screw up when you want to pay, sometimes it just refuse to accept your card for no apparent reason, telling you to "go back" and "choose a different payment method" when that's the only god damn method available (Credit/Debit), you chose it... and it says the same thing. Then somehow an employee comes around, press a button that it doesn't say to press and everything works, wtf!?
I hate these self checkout with a passion.
don't want to interact with the people of Walmart
It went somethong like this:
- First they automated the factories and I didn't protest, since I've always disliked thuggish blue-collar unions
- Next they automated the warehouses and I didn't protest, because I'm not into boxing
- Then 18-wheelers got automated and I didn't protest, cause I disapprove of trucker drivers' cavalier attitude towards female prostitution
- Soon supermarket cashiers got replaced by robots and unsuprisingly I didn't protest as they often tried to trick me over pocket change
- Eventually consumers were replaced by automatons, too. Regrettably, there was nobody left by that time who could stand up for me...
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You mean they will finally do something close to IBM's RFID commercial from a decade or so ago? Yeah, real cutting edge stuff.
We could of had this 10 years ago except for people freaking out over RFID, including many slashdotters.
Stores are expensive. You could replace them with smartphone-vending kiosks and delivery cabinets which are unlocked by smartphone. The app would let you flip through pages of aisles and you'd drag them around and pinch to zoom to look at the products on each aisle. Sell, negotiate for, or otherwise apportion "shelf space" on the app the same way you do real shelf space. Wal-Mart already has a functioning website, so this would be a relatively minor revision. That gets you entirely out of the "people of Wal-Mart" business.
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I want to see the new Walmart Greeter 3000 robot and the moment it becomes self aware on Black Friday and starts ripping shoppers heads off while chanting HashtagRobotLivesMatter in a loop in its robot voice. I for one welcome our new overlords.
What if they change their mind? Every day someone loads a bag with three scoops of nuts, then sees that'll cost $20 and changes her mind. It's so common, I think some people do it as window-shopping.
I read that headline as "Project Klepto", honest to glub I did.
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It's holiday season and the store, in Big Box Row next to a Home Depot and a Kroger, is packed. It has about thirty checkout stations up front, but only two are ever manned (okay, personned). The customers are stacked in line for those and the self-check area.
I do not do automated cashout for sever reasons:
1) I would need to have a card, keychain pr something with the bardcode for every store I visit. I am not brand loyal, so I would need about 5 of them
2) It is my small way to keep these people at a job.
3) It is not that much faster.
I will go onto detail and obviously YMMV. I tried it for 2 months at one store and what I measured was the time from storedoor to storedoor. Meaning from the moment I get into the store and leave the stor, including the walking around. This was after trying it out 2 times. Yes, the time at the checkout will be fster, unless you are up for a check. Then it is way slower.
However you need to do the scanning yourself and you lose a bit of time right there. Somebody who does this all day in and out will do this faster, no matter how good you are. Taking out the scanner, turn it, point it and turn it back also takes time. However as you are not standing still and it goes reklatively fast, you will not notice it.
OTOH standing at the checkout you e stnding still and you do notice that.
The time lost for weekly shopping came to under 5 minutes. That is 5 minutes a week for keeping somebody else his or her job. Makes me feel good.
What some stores are trying to do is just have less people so they can push people towards the use of them. In Belgium for these stores for you to have a store card is the only way to keep track of your buying habits as they will not have it any other way, regardless if you pay cash, debit or credit cards. And the cards will not know what you bought, just how much and they are not allowed to share the info berween them. The CC company is not even allowed to do an analysis of your type of purchases (e.g. via Internet, in gas stations, ...) for marketing purposes. If they do they risk their license to do business.
So for 5 minutes a week is the the only downside. I can live with that. I wasted more typing this.
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Already, there are a disturbing number of "self check-out lanes" popping up at various stores.
I (and many others) avoid those lanes, no matter what the wait, for a lane with an actual cashier. To me, I am supporting a job. A legitimate, one-on-one job. I have seen that there is an attendant at the self-checkout lanes, but they are responsible for 6 or more kiosks. That's one person doing the work of 6 (at least).
If such a store in my area were to open (or convert to) such a setup, I'd be hard pressed to patronize that place.
What next? We unload the trailer for them too? Maybe stock the shelves? "If you put two on the shelf for every one you take, we'll give you a discount"?
Not for me, thank you.
Checkout at Aldi is a breeze. The checkers are lightning fast.
There's no need for self checkout, or machine vision, or any other bells or whistles.
There have been grocery stores in California without cashiers for years. It doesn't mean they don't have staff. There are attendants, managers, and stockers etc. all over the stores. I think this is being misinterpreted, they aren't 'robot' stores, but that's millennials for ya.
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This could save THOUSANDS! Wait, I though there were magically going to be more jobs for 'mericans? This is how Walmart will save money? By eliminating jobs? Also, Walmart is notorious for having a hundred cameras in the store, and no way of knowing that there are 10 parties in one of the two or three register lines they have open. As for self-check, this is an experiment to see if we shoppers are better at this than the trained people are - we are not. I spent years as a cashier, and where a hiccup in checking out means a trained person can solve a problem in a few seconds of quick thinking, a hiccup with self check means we get to stab at a few buttons for a few minutes while the one person in charge of four registers gets around to coming over and helping us.
I am unable to find a cashier at Walmart. They have like 30 lanes, but no one cashiers are eve manning them. I've often wondered why they even bother to build the lanes at all.
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Years and Years ago there was an IBM Super Bowl ad.
The actor works his way thru a store stuffing items into his leather coat. You are made to assume he shoplifting. He than walks strait out the door and we are somehow informed he has paid for everything, some RFID scanner has identified him and all the items he has taken and will send him the bill.
Obviously there are all kinds of huge privacy problems with that. It was the 90's though and the general public was not yet even remotely cognizant of what privacy threats were coming in the Internet age.
I don't know how to solve all the inherent privacy problems, implementing something like that; it is however a shopping experience I would *want*. Being able to just walk into a place pickup whatever I want / need; stuff it into my pocket if that is the most convenient thing to do with it and walk out entirely friction free is the sort of thing that would get me back into a brick and mortar store; in lots of cases.
I am thinking things like books, office supplies, small tools and things I buy online today, I might go pickup in person if picking up is all I had to do! Just working my way thru isles at Walmart or marching around the shopping complex without breaking stride to stand in lines, while 10 people a head of me figure out if they need to swipe or chip, write checks etc...would be great.
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" ....uses a combination of sensors and cameras to track what each store shopper takes off of shelves so it can automatically bill them for their purchase without their having to stop to pay on the way out."
So what if you take an item off the shelf to examine it, the sensor/camera records that action, then you put it back because it's not exactly what you were looking for (the ingredients listed something you're allergic to for example) and the camera or sensor fails, for any number of possible reasons, to detect that it's put back? You just walk out of the store and get your bill later? There was no mention here of any method whereby you verify your purchases before you leave.
I suppose one good outcome is, it would deter people from removing items from one shelf and then later dropping them off on the wrong shelf. That's inconsiderate to other shoppers and store employees alike, I hate when people do that, it's lazy and ignorant.
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Well we all know how well their self checkout lanes work. Unless Walmart makes a HUGE improvement to their technology, this could be a huge disaster waiting to happen.
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I do not think this will work because mistakes happen. I once bought a sandwich at Walmart along with other items. The sandwich was supposedly priced at $3.80. After I was done, I thought the tally seems expensive. The price of the sandwich was $38.00. I got it corrected, but the thought of not having people to fix problems scares me.
I remember Walmart tried this a few years ago (perhaps a decade or so) when RFID tags became prevalent. Between the cost of the RFID tags and system and the losses due to the amount of stuff that wasn't correctly scanned, they stopped doing that really fast.
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They need to be able to run kiosk maintenance in a staggered/staged manner.
Because, right now, it takes roughly 30 minutes to do it on extant kiosks. Yet they only leave one or maybe (if we're lucky) two regular registers open.
Or worse, have to do register maintenance simultaneously...
If they're doing register-less stores, they need to be able to keep banks of them up and running while maintaining others.
If someone is just late-shopping for a shirt or socks, they can just drop them and go.
When someone is shopping for frozen foodstuffs, 30+ minutes waiting for kiosks or in a line of 30 peopleis just unacceptable.
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this explains why the Wal-Mart has been so screwed up for so long.
(1) narrow check-out lane for your cart
(2) impulse buy items so over-hanging the check-out belt that you can't even see/reach your item divider
(3) always takes twice as long as check-out at other stores
So then they roll-out automatic check-out and everyone whooshes through and is happy.
Kind of like what Microsoft has been doing with Vista/8/10, right? Soon we will get a version that is almost as good as XP, right?
I just heard on the radio how US companies will use their new US corporate tax break to invest in their employees, and in new technologies. It was followed by an announcement by a few corporations that they will raise their minimum wages and give employees $1000 bonuses.
I bet that in 10 years those investments will go into technology that eliminates employees. And the money they spent on increased wages and bonuses will be an argument in favor of those investments. Of course, the reality is that this was going to happen anyway. We already are at the cusp of the point where replacing physical laborers and service personnel with robots was aaalmost economically viable. With the recent minimum wage increases, constant improvements in tech, and now this - the fate of low-end service work is doomed. I wonder if restaurants with actual human employees will be a mark of a high-end place. Most of us will dine in the robotic restaurants.
The store near me must have been an early adopter (for years) of this. 30 regular lanes with 2 cashiers on the opposite end of the store than I parked and only 2 working self-check lanes.
by robots.
Seriously, they are some of the slowest, rudest, retarded people in the world. Robots are much friendlier.
So they're basically creating a giant Wal-Mart branded vending machine?
Isn't that what a "store without cashiers" is?
I wonder if it will look like this mall?
That's a weekend project for a couple of engineers. Assume it's done the second demand for it exists.
So this is basically just a WalMart then, the only store with 60 registers and no cashiers....
It's faster, I bag things how I WANT, use less bags. With the walmart app, scan the QR code, boom! Done. In 6 months, I've gotten back almost 40 bucks in purchase match.
There'll be on employee to watch 8-10 registers. Also, that employee's job will just be to make you feel watched. They'll make minimum wage, where right now Walmart has to pay $9-$12/hr to get a cashier that can keep a line moving.
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Middleman jobs represent an economic drain, not a source of wealth creation. Those jobs make us all poorer, not richer. And it's the Wal-Mart customers who bear the cost, so you can't even think of it as a mere redistribution scheme.
It's paradoxical to say that automation will eliminate as many jobs as most here predict. Think critically here: If nobody has enough money to consume, then there's nothing for automation to do.
More realistically, you'll probably see a massive change in how economies work, assuming that high unemployment lasts long term (historically, frictional unemployment doesn't last very long.)
Last time I was subjected to a Walmart run it seemed there were no cashiers to be found anyway.
Not really paradoxical. The answer is automation will increase productivity to the point where most people don't need to work 40+ hours a week to generate enough wealth to enable them to consume as much as they need, and as much as a lot of people even want to.
The only problem is we have a lot of antiquated rules that say stuff like 32+ hours is a full time employee and those are the ones who get benefits. We have a tiny as compared to what it should be individual insurance market because of a bunch of antiquated tax rules that were created which prompted business to compensate people with insurance policies instead of large enough paychecks to just go get their own coverage... We have antiquated ideas and value judgements that term anyone not working full time to be a slacker...
Really the answer is pretty simple. We just need to move to flat taxes and let everyone know you can be a decent human being and only work 16 hours a week.
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for WalMart to employ fewer cashiers than they do now
In which case you take shit off the shelves, put them randomly around the store, walk out with NOTHING, and then refute the charges.
The act of removing an item from a shelf is NOT the same as purchasing.
Is their plan to just have everyone's face and credit card on file and just bill them with NO authentication whatsoever?
Honestly, this is a fucking solution in search of a problem.
I still won't shop there.
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More people died marching to quell the rebellion than actually interacted with it, including a 300 man conscripted militia force.
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We have had Tesco stores in Europe that have no cashiers for at least 3 years now. It was also introduced in IKEA stores about 2 years ago.
There are still a few cashiers for those who are unable to use the machines, but about half of the customers already does not need cashiers.
Many Walmart stores are reducing checkers from 12-15 at a given time down to 2, with self-check areas (manned by a few key people) managing the vast majority of (non-smoking) customers.
Previously, Walmart ran tests using RFID tagging -- not for checking out, but for gathering day-to-day inventory -- and it never worked properly, causing many problems IRL. A no-go.
I can see Walmart focusing on robots for stocking and managing inventory, or that sort of thing, where products are arrayed in a more or less standard configuration.
And I can appreciate why they'd want to sound like they're on top of this automated checking concept, to sound as though they are competing with Amazon. But I don't see that a people-less store is actually a high priority.
Every store brings in a minimum of a million dollars a week. Eliminating a few minimum wage employees with wildly expensive and unproven technology which seems unlikely at best seems hardly the highest priority.
Ultimately, Amazon hates people, so it makes sense they'd want to pursue this quixotic direction. But Walmart? They love people, which is the very reason for their success.
Not really paradoxical. The answer is automation will increase productivity to the point where most people don't need to work 40+ hours a week to generate enough wealth to enable them to consume as much as they need, and as much as a lot of people even want to.
That is a viable outcome; one among many (hence my comment about a big shift in how economies work) but what is paradoxical is the assumption that automation will just make everybody unable to afford anything. It just doesn't make any logical sense to have an outcome where people are too poor to afford what is produced by automation; after all, the endgame of automation is to make everything less expensive and more practical.