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Call of Duty Gaming Community Points To 'Swatting' In Wichita Police Shooting (dailydot.com)
schwit1 shares a report from The Daily Dot: A man was killed by police Thursday night in Wichita, Kansas, when officers responded to a false report of a hostage situation. The online gaming community is saying the dead man was the victim of a swatting prank, where trolls call in a fake emergency and force SWAT teams to descend on a target's house. If that's true, this would be the first reported swatting-related death. Wichita deputy police chief Troy Livingston told the Wichita Eagle that police were responding to a report that a man fighting with his parents had accidentally shot his dad in the head and was holding his mom, brother and sister hostage. When police arrived, "A male came to the front door," Livingston told the Eagle. "As he came to the front door, one of our officers discharged his weapon." The man at the door was identified by the Eagle as 28-year-old Andrew Finch. Finch's mother told reporters "he was not a gamer," but the online Call of Duty community claims his death was the result of a gamer feud which Finch may not have even been a part of.
UPDATE: The New York Daily News reports police in Los Angeles have now arrested 25-year-old gamer Tyler Barriss, who the paper describes as "an alleged serial 'prankster'..."
"Barriss gave cops Finch's address, mistakenly believing it belonged to a person he had feuded with over a $1 or $2 Call of Duty wager."
UPDATE: The New York Daily News reports police in Los Angeles have now arrested 25-year-old gamer Tyler Barriss, who the paper describes as "an alleged serial 'prankster'..."
"Barriss gave cops Finch's address, mistakenly believing it belonged to a person he had feuded with over a $1 or $2 Call of Duty wager."
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Tough luck
To make it clear, the man who was shot by police was not the intended victim of the swatting, and had nothing to do with either party. The police just rolled in and picked off the first guy they saw.
Go outside. Play a sport. If you have no friends to play a sport with, learn to juggle.
https://gamequitters.com/
...but the online Call of Duty community claims his death was the result of a gamer feud which Finch may not have even been a part of.
Serously? They called a heavily armed Swat team of trigger happy American cops on the wrong guy over a computer game feud? Every time I think we have reached peak stupid somebody knocks from above.
Whoever made the call, as well as the officers who couldn't be bothered to Not shoot someone.
With their record, does anyone actually Call the police anymore for real calls anymore?
Seems like when people call for service, they're calling to be murdered...
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So the man at the door might be a hostage, which the police knew, were present. This is a total lack of concern for other people in the apartment.
We live in a sick fucking world.
I live in the UK and, I just don't hear of stuff like this happening regularly (police shooting people coming to the door) when guns are involved. I don't understand why it's a problem over there.
Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
Amazingly, there won't be any riots, nor TVs stolen from stores that are broken into during the riots.
Yet another example of why I am happily building a long term position in axon stock.
Just like that? Without any provocation?
Only in America... Your cops are awful.
A simple phone call is enough for the police to believe there is hostage and murder happening??
Seriously?
Hey . Police! There is hostages in the White House!!
I'm always afraid that this might happen to me. Since my 10+ year old side business is a matter of public record, and third-party information brokers have scattered my personal information far and wide, my dedicated band of trolls on Slashdot (one person with a copy-&-paste personality disorder and a few hanger ons) have made repeated references to where I live. Sometimes even taunting me with the wrong floor plan for my apartment.
Two points:
1. When the cops tell you to do something, you do it. The place to argue is in court, not when confronted with (a) police officer(s). The dead guy would probably have been fine if he did this (excluding a ND by the cops).
2. I have been saying for years now that the federal government needs to step in and pass a law that requires real traceability for all digital/TTY/VOIP/cell calls using some kind of trace/real identity handshake system. Make it a federal crime to spoof caller ID information on par with mail fraud. The system could work many different ways. However it might be implemented, the goal would be similar to a universal ID, at least as far as phones go, that is tied to a real, verified person and a real, physical address. Any call that could not be verified by the phone system would be blocked and not go through. As an added bonus, you could really block all the asshole telemarketers who spoof random local phone numbers, since for their calls to go through, they would have to use a real phone number that they actually own on the caller ID, or show up as a blocked caller ID. Either way for the call to go through, the phone company would know exactly who actually called you every single time. There is no good reason to conceal your identity from the phone company or the government when placing an emergency call.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
I'd say at minimum they need to try to find the (maybe the FBI/NSA can use their call database to identify who it was...) persons that called in, and then go after them for murder (maybe not 1st degree, but at least 2nd degree), and then for the police, I'd say they need to think about their techniques and send people through retaining. In this case, I'm not sure I'd go after the police officer for murder, but possibly 'wrongful discharge' or not 'following orders', assuming the officer in charge didn't tell them to 'shot first, ask questions later'. If the officer in charge didn't say that then, well maybe the officer in charge, shouldn't be the officer in charge.
Unfortunately these cases are probably hard to prosecute, because they're across jurisdictions, and the police are setup to deal with these cases effectively. But on the other side, we don't want to a surveillance state, I'm sure there's enough evidence from chat room logs, and phone call logs to correlate a story. Convincing a jury might also be hard also, because a lot of it could be countered (as a lot of it could also be faked easily.)
That is how I would call it. Using the police as a weapon to kill an adversary, or in this case, a standers by. I would say its first degree since it took some planning.
Press release of 911 call and what happended:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
It sounds like an officer that had a bad point of view shot the victim when he saw the victim's hands go down then up again.
What I find disturbing is your actions must look non-aggressive from all angles when dealing with multiple officers. Even if the officer you are directly engaged with sees no sign of danger, the officer behind you with a bad perspective can assume the worst case scenario with less information/visibility.
I'm not sure what justifies the need for body cameras more, the death of an innocent man, or the Slashdot comments being posted here.
Comments being posted here make the SWAT guy look like a monk. Talk about trigger-happy.
Let's start with the government, just to show good faith.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
The police just shot a completely innocent person and are trying to blame this on swatting and deflect attention from themselves. The media is happily helping them. US police officers are very jumpy, with some justification, but I suspect the training and the way the entire situation was handled was done incorrectly. The officer that fired the shot is at fault, but I will bet that the entire chain of communication escalated the threat and down played the fact that it was just a call.
If you have never had a non-friendly interaction with the police and the police suddenly tell you to do something, you aren't going to do it. You are going to wonder what is going on. It's perfectly reasonable for Finch to not raise his hands. It's likely a situation he ever thought he would be in.
In some places in the USA blacks are taught how to interact with the police to avoid being shot. Maybe they need to extend that training to visitors and the general population.
I'm a white Canadian. I've twice had American police officers reach and hold their guns (not point) when interacting with them. Once at a traffic stop when I was looking for something the officer asked for and once when a black friend and I ran up to a police car to ask for directions. My youngest son at 9, also had an ill advised interaction with a SWAT team. As a frequent visitor to the USA, a couple hours learning how to interact with the US police would definitely have been useful.
The guy who called the police should be charged with:
* felony version of filing a false police report.
* if the false police report is a felony, then they can charge him with felony murder of the innocent victim.
* attempted murder (by cop) of the guy he tried to swat.
The police officer who fired the shot should be charged with:
* 2nd degree murder
This and the case where the police officer got off after murdering the unarmed drunk pest control guy who had a pellet rifle in his hotel room case needs to change the rules of engagement for police: "I thought he was going for a weapon" should not be a legal defense against 2nd degree murder.
Cops and soldiers become cops and soldiers because they want to be given the chance to kill another human being and get away with it. Bottom line, this is the motivation. They live for they day they finally get to put all their "serving and protecting" training into gunning done another unarmed innocent human being and then walk away and keep their job. All those war heroes? Murderers. Murderers for "our" cause so it's supposedly justified but nothing more than murderers. Murders with badges, uniforms and guns; thank goodness we defeated the Nazi's and created a "free" world.
Thursday night Wichita police killed Andrew Finch after responding to a call claiming a man at his address had shot someone and was holding others hostage. That call was a hoax, commonly referred to as "swatting," and in this case, it's apparently linked to a Call of Duty match, where one player passed a fake address to another before someone called the police to it. Now NBC News reports that police in Los Angeles have arrested 25-year-old Tyler Barriss, who is believed to have made the call inciting the incident.
https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/30/lapd-arrest-swatting-wichita/
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/12/kansas-man-killed-in-swatting-attack/
The headline calls this a PRANK? No, a prank doesn't end up with a dead body....
It's what founded your country, innit?
The LAPD took Tyler Barriss of Los Angeles into custody in that city on Friday afternoon, on a fugitive warrant stemming from the Thursday evening incident in Kansas, a spokesman for the Los Angeles Police Department said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-arrest-man-suspected-swatting-preceded-deadly-police-shooting-n833576
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
Douche bags being reckless with other people's lives
Criminals thinking that what they did isn't that bad.
Militarized Cops - sure of their own righteous AND the villany of their target - over-reacting and shooting an innocent man
The various businesses saying "it's not our problem" rather than preventing anonymous calls to police/spoofed phone numbers.
People going "how horrible", but not really objecting or demanding action, because of how rare it is.
Neither political party taking appropriate steps to prevent this from happening again, because hey, no one really demanded action.
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He was probably a Call of Duty player.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
If only the poor victim had a few guns of his own, then he could have defended himself. America needs more guns now !!
The available videos at the links show a pretty good synopsis of this bad situation.
The PD released the 911 call and a short clip of the shooting from one of many body cams.
The guy was unarmed, likely confused, and only responding imperfectly to commands. (In other words, he seemed a normal human.)
It will take some careful analysis to figure out what commands were given and what responses happened.
There are 2 BIG wrongs here. The bogus phone call and the shooting.
The PD is focusing the spin on the bogus call.
The stated logic is that the shooting would not have happened if the call had not happened and so they had not showed up.
That is true, but this ignores that this also would not have happened if the cop had not fired at an unarmed, confused man.
The cops have a hard job to stay alive and protect and serve.
The job is hard because if requires a constant choice of how much risk to take.
It is too early to Monday morning quarterback this, but the investigation needs to address if they had the right balance of risk.
The cops appear to have been across the street behind cars.
It's not clear if they had vests on.
Even if the guy had had a gun, it might have been an acceptable risk to let him get off the first shot.
Clearly, this needs to get the folks that made the call.
But the police need to be held accountable also.
This falls to the unfortunate officer that fired and the unfortunate person in charge of setting up the geometry.
Aside from the spin, the PD seems open in what they are doing.
I would let them handle it, but would expect to see a gun and command timeout or a really better excuse come out.
Police are shit. Gamers are shit.
We've been telling you this for years.
You are welcome on my lawn.
That.. No law enforcement officers are allowed to use their firearm unless fired upon first?
Of course it takes a bit more bravery, but.. isn't that what we want from our emergency services?
And so did a buddy of mine. Both white. Both in relatively affluent areas. Both times for absolutely no good reason (there was no justification for them pulling me or him over and no tickets issued). Neither of those areas ever had a shooting happen towards a police officer. And, this was many years ago, like 30 years. The cop had his firearm pointed at my head from behind me while I was talking to the another police officer through the window. So, I am sure I was quite close to getting killed had I made a move that they considered 'threatening'. Once you have an experience like that you will never forget it and you won't spout your mouth off as 'police are justified' and all that bullshit. So, cops have always been inclined to pull their weapons for no good reason. You know the saying, 'If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail?'. Well, I think that is the main problem here. Police are trained to resolve issues through force and that's what they know how to do so they do it. I know my stories are anecdotal but they have created a deep mistrust of police and most authoritarian symbols which I make sure to convey to anyone who will listen.
Police in the US receive days worth of weapons training with refresher courses.
And minutes worth of de-escalation training if any.
So in a crisis situation, how do they react?
"If shooter games lead to real-life death, it’s time to hit pause"
Let's be clear on one thing here. "Shooter games" didn't lead to this death, out of control killer police lead to this person's death. Answering your own door shouldn't be a capital offense, but getting gunned down like that by a wannabe operator really should be.
The person who is responsible for this hoax is guilty of mischief. Charge him for wasting police time and resources, making a false report (which ought to be a fairly serious charge) and send him a bill for all of the police and EMS services that were used in this incident. He's a fucking tool but he's not a murderer. The murderer wore a badge.
When I call the police here in Austin, TX they automatically know from my cell phone number who I am and where I live. I assume that all police have the same ability.
If for whatever reason the police can't verify the caller's identity it should be a standard procedure for the police to ask for the number and call it back to verify the caller's ID. If it turns out to be the phone of an Indian telemarketer, a spoofed number or for whatever reason is untraceable it is a phony call. All this can be done in the first 30 seconds after a call is received while the police are responding and before they arrive.
If every pizza delivery service in the U.S. can detect phony phone calls and ignore then why can't the police?
Thought experiment: if the address was for the town's mayor do you think the police would have treated this as a real call?
I'm not saying the police should ignore these calls. But the organizations that represent police departments should be developing best practices, operator training and phone call checking procedures to at least get the first responders up to the skill level of Dominos.
The guy who called in the swat should honestly be hung. in public. A major factor in the reason these kinds of things keep happening is because there is often very little risk in doing so; people get a community cleanup sentence that gets reduced to sweeping floors for 20 minutes and attending a video session about why what they did is bad, that they end up ignoring.
There is almost never any real tangible repercussions that people see that make them go OH SHIT WELL I'M NEVER EVER EVER DOING THAT EVER.
Back in the day people were hung or otherwise executed for things that today people get no real lasting repercussions for doing.
We really do need to sometimes take an extreme sample and make an example of them to show people that there are occasionally real repercussions for doing things that should never be done in a functioning society. Honestly this kid just hampers the proper functioning of society and should be removed permanently as an example to others.
Simple.
Armchair quarterbacking here: Why didn't the police have some sort of Forward looking infrared (FLIR) camera to scan the house and note if there were any other occupants and their positions? Aren't they/shouldn't they be more sophisticated than just bullets?
Apparently the police cannot legally use FLIR without a warrant:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93127&page=1
On Youtube.
The main takeaways:
He's done that many times.
He enjoys "evacuating" (swatting) people.
He was paid for this particular SWAT call.
He understands he's indirectly responsible for the killing and he's ready to serve jail time (just not a life sentence) if he gets caught (he's already been apprehended).
The police are one of the reasons I no longer travel to the USA.
The judicial system as far as judges are concerned I'm happy with, but State prosecutors massively abuse their position to threaten, intimidate and coerce people into plea-bargins, and the police are killers.
So, caller ID is easy to spoof. That's what causes you to pick up for the Indian telemarketer because they emulate your parent's number. But, there is more accurate data from the phone company. 911 gets that. It is possible to spoof (obviously) but is not trivial like caller ID.
When you pizza delivery service detects a phony call, they are probably using this deeper data. I would guess the same workarounds that swatters use would cause a fake pizza delivery... but fortunately the expertise is rare enough.
As for calling back, while that would be nice, it's not terribly possible in many emergency situations. For one thing, if someone is claiming they are hiding in a closet making a call because they are being held hostage. For another, its adds extra time to the operator's handling of the call.
And if it was the mayor's house, I'd imagine SWAT would show up far quicker (unless the mayor has bodyguards), but would be far far far less likely to shoot the mayor.
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With their record, does anyone actually Call the police anymore for real calls anymore?
Seems like when people call for service, they're calling to be murdered...
Yes. All the time. You are falling victim to selection bias. There are maybe 240 million 911 calls a year and maybe 2000 people killed by police. That gives you less than a one in a hundred thousand chance of having someone die as a result of a police call, although obviously the chance is a LOT higher on stupid fake calls like this that are designed to prompt a police raid.
There are lots of situations where for most people it is pretty unambiguous that you should call the police: car accidents, home intrusion, restraining order violation, significant theft, unexplained firearm discharge (depending on the community), break-in or attempted break-ins, serious physical attacks, arson, burglary, robbery, etc...
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In civilized countries murder of 1st degree as the Americans calls it is a capital offense. But in the US murder is legal for no other reason than a low IQ person shouts before shooting.
... in public a minimum of 40 million times a year. Of those 40+ million comments, maybe 1,000 will contain statistics not conveniently pulled out of the commenters ass.
Now I realize that Slashdot isn't quite what it used to be, but I would still not expect the "average" retard on here to at least have a basic understanding of bullshit and affirming reality perception. The "fact" that you would post something so blatant in the first place is bad enough on it's own, but the multiple upmods are to be expected.
E.g. the show "24". "By the book" has become that weird thing that nobody cool does anymore and gets you nowhere with "these criminals" (as opposed to the other criminals: themselves). That has been so ingrained into their minds, that they now think this is how cops are supposed to be.
Add to that the massive abuse of drugs that turn you into psychopaths/sociopaths even in schools and starting at an early age (for profit, of course), and a society that despises anything related to emotions, feelings or being social, because it is led by the biggest psychopaths,
plus the US being the Mont Perelin Society's pet project regarding erecting a totalitarian fascist ("neocon") state,
and a rising need of the military to get rid of useless weapons and military equipment that the senate of lobbyists (aka traitors) bought them against their will,
and you got the perfect recipe for this.
It's to be expected. Like the Gestapo in Germany (where I'm from). Let's just hope this whole shit explodes or implodes quickly. Either way, the sooner it's over, the better.
The irresponsible use of 911 is like firing a gun in the general direction of someone - if someone is subsequently killed, manslaughter is the minimum charge; if someone is not killed, reckless endangerment of life or attempted murder should send them to prison...
It could be the brother, the hostage answering the door. A halfwit would have somebody else answer the door when the cops arrive.
Cops are trained and given everything reasonable to do their job safely and competently. The error and responsibility lies with them. That armor and training is not just to protect them it is protect citizens so they can be careful and not risk lives.
This was a really stupid prank and hopefully they catch whoever did it. But one thing I've always wondered about police work in general is this...especially in SWAT situations, why is there such a level of fear? SWAT teams are wearing bulletproof vests...they might get hurt but won't die from gunfire. The other thing is that any criminal is massively outgunned by a SWAT team. They should go into these situations feeling determined they can win, not scared!
I just don't understand why the first reaction of a cop is to pull out their gun and start firing before figuring out what's going on. Just stopping for a few milliseconds would fix a lot of problems.
In a just world, both the caller and cop who shot an unarmed man would stand trial and hang for murder. And I mean literally hang. Want to be tough on crime? Start with people sworn to prevent it but who commit it.
Involuntary manslaughter? Death by cop? Being an adult and being this much of a dumbass?
One of the root causes of swatting is a caller ID implementation based on AT&T's ancient Signaling System 7 (SS7) and ISDN bolt-ins, insecure VoIP gateways that are often hijacked, and an acceptance at a legislative level that this type of thing should continue. Caller ID should be cryptographically signed any time it touches a publicly-regulated telephone system, and should alert the recipient of the call of the potential falsehood. That way, a 911 operator could at least relay the possibility of a false call.
In addition, 911 dispatchers and SWAT generally need to approach these situations with a bit more strategy and less tactics. The dispatchers need to start asking questions from the caller about where they are, what they're doing, what's going on, name, etc.. When/if SWAT is in the residence, they need to instruct people clearly and concisely to keep their hands visible at all times and not move them to a place where they can't see them and allow them to control the situation quickly. This is literally the only thread of reason why the cop in Mesa that killed the poor guy in his hotel in 2016 wasn't convicted of murder by that jury, even though that cop should probably be sitting in prison for the rest of his life.
One point that you are unfortunately wholly incorrect on is the culpability of the false 911 caller. If you are in commission of a crime and someone dies as a result of the commission of that crime, you can be found criminally liable for your actions. This is why you see home invaders whose co-conspirators are shot during the commission of the crime OR when the targeted victims or police are killed are always charged with murder even though the homeowner or police had a perfectly lawful reason to shoot them otherwise.
In addition, Federal legislation should also be passed with minimum automatic sentences of 25 to life for anyone who attempts to SWAT another individual or facilitates or conspires to do the same. Warnings should be posted to these ridiculous online games on the startup screen. Beyond that, a few high-profile prosecutions will hopefully protect the public from future incidents like this.
Looks like the kid complied at first, then went into an aggressive stance. He was unarmed.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Another highly active topic. Another massive Slashdot fail. However, if I ever had a mod point to give, I might have given it to your comment.
Oh wait. As I understand the broken rules of moderation, if I did that I would be unable to make this comment.
Can anyone remember that the original intention of moderation had something to do with helping you find the kinds of comments you want to read? Maybe there are some "Funny" comments here, but I found none among the few with that mod. A few of the ones moderated "Insightful" did show glimpses of insight, but not much.
My text searches of the visible comments (to evade the broken moderation) focused on "example" and "robot". The "example" search was for aspects of "making an example" of the prankster or of the overly militarized and over-reactive police SWAT teams. The "robot" search was for possible solutions (which was also my main hope from the "Insightful" search).
Your comment is the only visible mention of robot, so I decided to reply here. Enough with the meta. Now to the ACTUAL topic.
I also had the idea of sending in a robot first. However you know that they will wind up arming the robots and then the wrongful deaths will come from programming bugs. Actually, we've already had an example of a robot used to blow up a shooter. Remember that sniper in Dallas? If there were any hostages involved, the robot may well cause their deaths.
Initially my main concern was that they make an example of the prankster, but I'm confident he'll face justice. My newer concern is that the SWAT team also learn something from their mistakes, but I rather doubt that they will.
Time to go meta-rogue again? More searches from that perspective? Naw, today's Slashdot ain't worth the effort and I've already wasted too much time this morning.
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threatening hand motions toward his waist. I.e., he might have had a gun/knife/banana on his belt, in his belt, behind his back _anywhere_ his hand might reach.
Cops screwed this one up - I say manslaughter at the least.
while on the job. It's been that way for decades.
It is rare the officer who needs to draw his weapon during his career. But the increased hiring of ex-military into police positions has turned the USA into a war zone.
And then there's the change in attitude of LEOs: Scratch me, I'll shoot you until you're dead. Hit me, I'll shoot you until you're dead. Move left, , I'll shoot you until you're dead. Move right, I'll shoot you until you're dead.
Once upon a time a policeman would take a hit or two, or even an occasional bullet, and get back up and do the arrest. Their job was to protect the innocent. Now they gun the innocent down as mercilessly as the guilty.
We need to take guns away from LEOs and arm the citizenry instead.
I don't understand why it's a problem over there.
Many of the US cops are veterans with PTSD. They blew away people in Fallujah and have barely more compunction about doing it in Tulsa.
It's "us" (cops) vs. "them" (citizens) and they're trained to think that way explicitly, and there's even a whole movement about it ("The Thin Blue Line").
The local governments appreciate their ability to prey on the citizenry and milk them for revenue, so there's little political pressure to change things. They steal money from innocent people and the States' Attorneys General support them in buying pinball machines, race cars, and the occasional hookers with the stolen money.
People are turning to alternatives like Cell411 and not calling the cops unless they "need" government paperwork. The problem in this particular case is that the victim never called the cops, so it's not a foolproof plan.
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To a good cop, after opening the door and lowering your arms in a natural manner = normal. To a bad cop, after opening the door and lowerins your arms in a natural manner = HE'S GOT A GUN
It's funny how everyone knows there's a problem, and we argue about whether it's the training that leads to it, or whether it's environment the officers are in, or if it's a problem with the individual themselves that become police officers. But we all know there's a problem.
The asshole swatter is responsible too. Listen to the 911 call he made. He claims he has a gun, has killed his father, has his little brother and mother held in there in a closet, and has poured gasoline all over the house. Every time you create an incident like this with officers responding to it you're rolling the dice, no matter how much training you give them. You run this scenario 1000 times in a 1000 different neighborhoods and someone in some police department fucks up somewhere. Some officer somewhere has no business being in that high stress situation, and thinks he sees a gun, or maybe he though "better safe than sorry" and is hiding behind the "I thought I saw a gun" excuse. And everyone knows there's a problem with the police overreacting. Everyone knows it, that's the thing. So someone gets killed and then the guy who created the situation goes on twitter and says "lol wasn't my fault, I didn't pull the trigger". That asshole does bear some responsibility for what happened too.
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ONE: the cop, who killed an innocent person. The coward will probably skate claiming "fear for life". BS! You go to a door, you'd better not be excessively afraid. If you are, stand down/back! Kansas is Castle Doctrine, so cops have to stand back.
TWO: the swatter intended and knew harm would result. From LA, the case crosses state lines and brings the Feds in, and their Felony Murder rules, not the more-connected Kansas rules.
THREE: the misdirector who gave the swatter the addr. He knew harm could result. Maybe he pleads self-defense, but it is wanton disregard for safety of another. Innocent if he called Kansas promptly to report the threat and false addr.
..."If making a fraudulent report about a hostage situation or bomb threat is a felony, then if anyone dies as a result of that phony report they can legally then be charged with felony murder. Under the doctrine of felony murder, when an offender causes the death of another (regardless of intent) in the commission of a dangerous crime, he or she is guilty of murder."
~ WaPo
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Our police intentionally turn away people who are too smart out of fear they'll get bored of the job and leave after the (very expensive) training. So we get worse cops in exchange for some cost savings.
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One point that you are unfortunately wholly incorrect on is the culpability of the false 911 caller. If you are in commission of a crime and someone dies as a result of the commission of that crime, you can be found criminally liable for your actions.
Absolutely agree! And as I write, I understand someone has already been arrested for the false call.
I just don't want the police white washing "their" part in this travesty.
DROP THE GUN, AMERICA !
Hit by fraud. It's not a "prank" when people die. It's homicide.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
For the greater ‘good’.
- for whatever that means to you guys.
If you hire a hitman to kill your spouse, you don't go after the hitman, that hitman was just doing his or her job The real villain is the person who hired the hitman. In this situation we have politicians and the rich entitled liberal elites who pay the salary of the police officers.
The job of the police officer is to
1) raise money for her or his bosses through tickets and incarcerations
2) protect the elites from the common pond scum such as you and me.
The way I see it the officer was doing his job. The dude he shot looked like white trash to me. He probably wasn't even a tax payer. If he was he was probably using the 1040 EZ form. The death of this poor white trash is going to make some rich millionaire democratic lawyer even more money by suing the Kansas city police dept. This money will go ensure a police commissioner gets chosen so that this stuff continues to happen and the democratic campaign donors get even more money suing cops.
If anything this cop should be a hero to the donor class. He is making them lots of money and eliminating a piece of trailer trash in the process.
If you want to find a villain it is the politicians and chamber of commerce to whom all good law enforcement officers report.
Some people believe in fairy tales.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
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If you do an IP lookup for an address and the lookup provider only knows the IP address is in the USA, you will get the geographic center of Continental USA which is located in Kansas a little north of Wichita. Depending on how you resolve the resolution you might get Andrew Finch's address.
should no longer be allowed on the streets with a gun.
Sure- it might just be unfortunate. But, it's a known risk factor at that point.
Like how you can't be sued for not having a fence around your pool. But once you are warned not having a fence around your pool is a risk, then you can be sued because you were warned and knew the risk.
And the gamer who sent the police needs to go to jail for manslaughter for several years.
When you cause a crime, you are responsible for the crime.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Why would the police randomly kill someone? Like a swatting victim?
I will never travel to USA. A country where the police presumably simply assassinate people, either because the police want to protect themselves in hysterical ways, (intentionally committing murder, just to be safe because they can get away with it legally) or, because the police are acting with full prejudice, probably not being the kind of proverbial 'justice' people like to think there is.
I still remember the police in Washington assassinating that female driver some time ago, with that baby in the back of the car, a car that simply drove away from police and apparently had done nothing wrong other than driving away from the police. I remember my local newspaper in my country showed an article about how the woman's car was said to have rammed a police car, but then afterwards I see video footage of this police car that actually rammed itself into the road blocker feature at speed.
Well looking at all those youtube videos where police comes to some random gamer home:
1) they not always yell 'police' when they enter,
2) they are not always uniformed,
3) sometimes they are breaking into the house - they are answering hostage situation so they are not willing somebody to open the door,
On the other side there is person that does not know this game, is in the sitation that somebody is breaking into his house, is violent and you just involuntarily want to fight.
In my mind somehow I wouldn't blame the killed guy but the police - but I am from Europe, so what can I know.
- Cop should be charged with murder. Crouched behind a vehicle, wearing body armor, weapon trained on the door of the house, at least 50 yards away and says the innocent victim was reaching for his waistband. Of course, he feared for his life. Hope the jury does not fall for this bullshit and convicts him.
- The serial fake 911 caller should receive a substantially longer sentence (he already served time for a previous 911 hoax).
If all things where true.... Wouldn't this be a suicide by cop scenerio? Something all police are aware of and do everything to avoid
As for calling back, while that would be nice, it's not terribly possible in many emergency situations. For one thing, if someone is claiming they are hiding in a closet making a call because they are being held hostage.
You can't be held hostage if nobody knows you're there.
For another, its adds extra time to the operator's handling of the call.
No, it does not. You deploy the SWAT team, and then you verify the call. If you find out that the call was bullshit, then you recall the SWAT team. It's not rocket surgery, dude. This is obvious. Your objection is not just stupid, it's insane.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
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Why don't the idiot cops catch any blame for being so cowardly and triggerhappy these days?! Listen to how they address civilians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Fair enough, hiding in the closet from an intruder. There are going to be some situations where it's impossible to call back, and those would be the situation swatters would choose.
I didn't say it would delay the SWAT team. I said it would add to the time it takes the operator to handle the call. There' not a lot of extra operator time in the 911 system. And that means possibly delaying the next call.
And what happens if they cannot reconnect? Your battery dies or have a bad connection and you cannot get help?
Your ad here. Ask me how!
I didn't say it would delay the SWAT team. I said it would add to the time it takes the operator to handle the call. There' not a lot of extra operator time in the 911 system. And that means possibly delaying the next call.
So hire more operators instead of more assassins.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Dominos have market forces driving their excellence. Police forces around the world have no such incentive.
If Dominos could stop anyone on the street/pull them over/invade their home and coerce them to accept their pizza service on punishment of death or imprisonment, it's conceivable that they too would become less than they could be.
Requiem for the American Dream