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GDC Rescinds Award For Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell After Criticisms of Sexually Inappropriate Behavior (polygon.com)
The organizers of the Game Developers Choice Awards announced today that they have rescinded the Pioneer Award for Atari founder Nolan Bushnell, and announced the award will not be given this year entirely. "The decision follows a day of outcry after GDC organizers announced that Bushnell, 74, had been tapped for the GDCA's lifetime achievement honor," reports Polygon. "News accounts and histories over the past several years have documented a history of workplace misconduct and sexist behavior toward women by Bushnell, during Atari's early days." From the report: In a statement this morning, GDC said its awards committee "made the decision not to give out a Pioneer Award for this year's event, following additional feedback from the community. They believe their picks should reflect the values of today's game industry and will dedicate this year's award to honor the pioneering and unheard voices of the past." The Pioneer Award is for "individuals who developed a breakthrough technology, game concept, or gameplay design at a crucial juncture in video game history," according to its official site. Nine have been conferred since 2008, none of them women. Bushnell founded Atari in 1972 and installed the first coin-operated video game, Pong, shortly thereafter. He presided over the company's rise to dominate the early generation of home console gaming before selling it off and founding what is today the Chuck E. Cheese line of restaurants. Bushnell issued a statement on Twitter: "I applaud the GDC for ensuring that their institution reflects what is right, specifically with regards to how people should be treated in the workplace. And if that means an award is the price I have to pay personally so the whole industry may be more aware and sensitive to these issues, I applaud that, too. If my personal actions or the actions of anyone who ever worked with me offended or caused pain to anyone at our companies, then I apologize without reservation."
Right or wrong, this Politically Correct shaming is almost certainly going to backfire on women as fewer and fewer men in leadership positions risk bringing this kind of liability on board.
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In other news, Jesus H. Christ has been rescinded the son of god and lord savior awards to insufficiently progressive views toward women during 15 to 22 in the year of our lord.
No one can take away what Bushnell brought to the gaming world and his response to losing this award shows that whatever may or may not have happened in the past, the man is currently a beacon of class.
utter, total, bullshit.
So now, on account of gossip and innuendo, we're going to just strike people from history?
Not 20 years ago Christian fundamentalists were mocked and pilloried for ramming their morals down people's throats and following some stupid rule book. Now we have an entire zombie movement enforcing their morals views and attitudes on a public as a whole.
There's not ONE PERSON ALIVE who's not guilty of unsavory behavior of one kind or another and we've entered an age where "my unsavory behavior" is now considered untouchable but "your unsavory behavior" is damnable.
Fuck that. Make a law and make it a crime through the official processes. Did Bushnell actually commit a crime? Bring him up on charges. This condemning or people to non-existence without even a chance for defense is Orwellian, wrong and downright evil - just as it was 20 years ago.
Anyone care to explain how personal indiscretions affect his achievements in developing "a breakthrough technology, game concept, or gameplay design at a crucial juncture in video game history"?
It's all about ethics in gaming.
Karma catches up with you, at some point.
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I think we need to put a bit of perspective on this. While the behavior sounds reprehensible, it's not Harvey Weinstein-level and it sounds like this stuff was going on 35 years ago. Rape is rape, consent is consent, but we have a far more nuanced understanding these days about power imbalances and harassment in the workplace.
If this stuff was going on in the last decade, I think it's fair game.
We need to draw a line somewhere and say it's not reasonable to judge workplace behavior decades ago by the standards of the current era. This doesn't give these folks a pass on everything they did, but let's not crucify somebody who may very well have evolved since then, as many of us have on lots of social issues.
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It seems to me like absolutely zero male corporate executives, or basically anyone in a position of power, is going to escape this. In my career I've worked with tons of slimebag executives and type-A salespeople...and basically all of them have at least the potential to be involved in inappropriate behavior. It was just the way things were done previously.
I guess my question is when it's going to stop being front page news. Usually these things have a limited window of interest, but basically every male in a position of power is being called out it seems.
Given the dick behavior I've witnessed over the years, I can see it being somewhat uncomfortable...but all these accusers are going to be famous and get huge payouts regardless of how they felt. I do wonder one thing...would men complain if the situation were reversed? I don't know if I would.
Guess it's time to vilify him too.
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I got ganged up on by female members of my class on a couple different occasions because of crap like this.
You know what the irony of it now is? Women expect the exact behavior I was exhibiting then if I want to have a chance at dating them, only thanks to all that PC shit from then, I am still socially cucked except on the rare occasions I meet a girl online who is open to discussing all that shit up front so we have clear boundaries, because otherwise I am too timid and they get frustrated and go looking for someone who is either more assertive, a bigger selfish asshole, etc.
Personally I would like all these hyper-feminist assholes to go marry each other, castrate their cuck male supports, and then die off, so we'll have a chance to find some *ACTUAL* balance between the male and female genders, rather than just replacing the patriarchy with the matriarchy, which doesn't solve anything, just causes the pendulum to swing too far in one direction so it'll swing even further back the other way next time the reins of power change.
We need to stop the pendulum, not swing it ever harder towards the opposite end. Same applies with current party based politics in the US. Mutual respect seems to be as quaint an idea today as it was back in Bushnell's Era.
'white men'? Are they included in your little game? I bet not.
I like to do a little game where I replace 'women' with another minority. Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Jews. Take your pick.
Women are not a minority.
Not as meaningless as the the Nobel Peace Prize, I guess, which was won by Kissinger and Arafat and not by Gandhi, but if it isn't given to the founder of Atari then it isn't an award given to the most important pioneers, full stop.
He acknowledged the behavior and excused it with "It's was the late 60s / early 70s, that's just what we did".
The behavior was wrong then and it's wrong now. There can and should be consequences for these kinds of actions. As a parent I _want_ there to be consequences. I don't want people to think they can get away with this crap because nobody wants to talk badly about somebody who also happened to do good things. If we did that the Cosby Show would still be in syndication.
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with the way he treated his workers in China I'm all for this. He was also an absolute dick to Wozniak and while the Woz forgave him I wonder how that would have ended up if instead of Woz eventually getting rich he'd been completely ripped off and left penniless. There's no shortage of broke engineers who's designs were central to the development of computers after all.
Despite the famous RDF there's plenty of folks who don't like Jobs for plenty of reasons. So yeah, lets take him down a few pegs.
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There's lots of other reasons to rescind his status.
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for moral absolutism. If we can't look back and say "That was wrong and they shouldn't have done it" then we don't really have a compelling argument against the behavior in question. If something morally wrong is acceptable in context than all you need to do to make it acceptable again is change the context. Regression becomes easy.
This isn't idle chit-chat either. There's a lot of folks who pine for the 'good 'ole days' when sexual harassment not only went unpunished but reporting it _was_ punished. When it wasn't considered abuse of power but a perk. They call themselves 'conservative' but I'd rather they were labeled 'regressive'. Either way they exist, and they're working to make a world like the 50s, 60s and 70s real again.
If you're a man its easy to look at these things and just think of them as awkward passes. You can do that because, well, you've probably got 40-60 lbs more muscle on you than the girl in question. There's interviews with women abused by Weinstein when they were terrified he was going to rape them. He wasn't, but not being mind readers they didn't know that, and, well, he most certainly _could_. Try to imagine you're alone with someone that has 50lbs more muscle than you and wants to have sex right now. This is a real concern for most women. It's also _incredibly_ uncomfortable to acknowledge.
If you want to get a better idea of what I'm banging on about read this. But my point is there's a real issue here and one that men (and a lot of women) don't want to confront. But confronting it is the right thing to do...
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> See subject: Your MASSIVE FAIL in this life is you're nothing more than a chattering little do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" online & you know it...
I have credits on several PC games and I think this nonsense is bullshit. The guy wasn't perfect but that doesn't erase his legacy. Political correctness has put us into 1984 territory where the Ministry of Truth is here to sanitize and erase the past.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
He's not stupid. He's genius. He's pointing out the clear double standard here. Under the intersectionality regime, EVERYONE can be a victim except "the man". Although it doesn't matter if "the man" is also as much a part of the underclass as anyone else.
The whole thing about "progress" is that you can live long enough to see standards and expectations change.
That means potentially harsh judgements for even the previous generation of people.
That doesn't mean you try to erase anyone from the last generation or older. You just need to get your panties untwisted and come to grips with the full implication that things have changed.
You simply can't handle the reality of the situation. You need a safe space.
Life is too complicated and disordered for you.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
At age 74, what chick did he hug forty years ago to deserve retroactive career extinction?
I will admit that a lot of this is virtue signalling and the GDC organizers really haven't handled it well. However, we have a problem in our society where some men have abused their power to manipulate women and those women have had no other recourse. If your only weapon to fight back with is public shaming and destroying someones career then it puts the victim in a tough position. I'm sure most of them don't think the public shaming is the appropriate outcome. We as a society need to come up with an alternative tool for the victims and we also need to figure out what to do with the perpetrators. In Canada, what percentage of our members of parliament will we kick out before we realize that we had a system were a high percentage of seemingly normal men, when put in a position of power, behaved deplorably?
All those kids who got awards for participation should be prepared to have them rescinded when they don't toe the politically correct line.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!
You have some nerve claiming that it's just people longing for the "good ole days" and they're all conservatives.
As if Bill Clinton is a conservative.
As if Harvey Weinstein is a conservative.
As if Kevin Spacey is a conservative.
You have such a piss poor understanding of history that you fail to forget that it was progressivism and openness that led to the sexual revolution and the loosening of the "conservative" values that kept this sort of thing in check.
You have a piss poor understanding of history that when the moral absolutists of the 90s (that would be Christians) pilloried Bill Clinton for his sexual indiscretions and his rape they were mocked, pilloried and shouted down for their backwater moral beliefs and regressive attitudes towards women along with his #MeToo victims.
Still don't hear many calls to take Bill Clinton to task, not even from you.
Make no mistake, sexual harassment is wrong, demanding sexual favors for employment is far worse and rape tops them all - but so is attacking 75 year old men for their sexual attitudes 50 years ago when the sexual revolution and disco was still going strong for making passes at his secretary (not rape, not blackmail, not even having sex, just making a pass).
TL;DR - You're just as bad as any religious zealot.
So if someone coerces you into sex with threats of loss of employment or even violence, that's a choice the victim made? W. T. F.?!?!
A group of gamers decided not to honor one of the big wigs of the industry because of his past transgressions. Nobody's forgotten what he did, and that goes for the good and the bad.
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If we suggest the government step in and regulate folks say let the market decide. Well, the market just decided. People think Bushnell's behavior was worthy of being punished for; with punishment meaning getting deprived of some honors he would otherwise be due.
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he lost a GDC award. That's not exactly what I'd call the gulag. And while we're at it, we're not giving out awards for those commercials either.
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We treat them so poorly I just kind of assumed they were...
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They even wrote about the Atari founders' shenanigans in books published decades ago about Atari.
They might as well rescind everyone's awards just to save face, I mean, stay safe.
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Jesus, reading these comments you'd think there was a Biggest Dipshit Award up for grabs.
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i knew you could use it for everything - shampoo, detergent, toothpaste, etc - but you can drink it, too??
[Nolan is not a bad person..
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I am not totally up-to-speed regarding this historical topic
Appear to contradict each other. If you aren't "up to speed" how can you be sure of your judgement? The information you need to get "up to speed" is a click away. Right there. In the article. References to published biographies and interviews given by Nolan where he talks about his behaviour.
Once you are "up to speed", then I'll be interested in your opinion, but your post is not the only 'I don't really know what's going on, but I'm sure it's wrong'.
So, 'congrats' but your self professed ignorance does not make your opinion particularly compelling.
In case the original article and the sources it links to are too much trouble to read, I'll summarise;
No one is denying Nolan's achievements. They are criticising the GDC for choosing to award someone who has admitted to negative behaviour. The GDC has responded by withdrawing the award and Nolan has apologised.
If the new standard is that you can be accused of anything by any woman even 40 years after the supposed incident, NO EVIDENCE will be required, and because she's a woman who is presumed virtuous and honest simply because she has a vagina, and then the masses will jump to the conclusion that you are guilty and governments and other businesses will shut you down, all without a day in court, or any evidence or testimony or cross-examination, then the only rational response is not to play.
It's simply becoming unsafe for any man to hire a woman, work with a woman, mentor a woman, etc. The Feminist movement is making women toxic and unsafe. We've gone from feminists demanding that wome were just like men and should be treated just like men, to feminists demanding that women are always honest and have perfect memories (unlike men) and that they are always the victim in need of special protections men are not eligible to receive. It's all very interesting given that so many leading feminists are also united with the gender-confused "communities" who claim gender is just a mental construct and that anybody can pick their gender and change at will from amonst (is it 57 now?) genders. Perhaps all men should announce they are really women trapped in male bodies.
If somebody has a realistic answer about how any man can be safe in such a situation, in a post-America world where "innocent until proven guilty" is no longer operative then I'd sure like to hear it. Remember, any suggested alternate response from men must not rely on the legal system, since that system is not in play in these incidents. We're witnessing a tidal wave of very lurid accusations being used to destroy people without any shred of legal process and no ACTUAL justice in sight.
There is no such thing as "white privilege" or "male privilege". There is, however, affluent privilege. Suggesting that white janitors and white CEO's enjoy the same level of "privilege" is absolutely deranged. Identity politics is the ruling-classes desperate attempt to keep the people from waking up and realizing that the primary bigotry of the last 40 years is class-based. It's still better to be a wealthy woman than a poor man. The former has more power. By an order of magnitude. Wringing our hands over the imperfect lives of priviledged women, when half the world still lives on less than $1/day, is the height of narcissism. Women make up nearly 80% of consumer spending? Think that would be reversed under the matriarchy? 90% of Titantic survirors were women, as men willingly went to their death so that women could live. Think under the matriarchy 90% of men would have survived. This entire thing is more divide-and-conquer by the ruling class. Given that "abstract thinking" begins at an IQ of ~110, and about 66% of Americans are below that, it's not hard to see how the majority of people got taken. The "War on Women" is a fraud, and so is the current moral panic. It's the preschool Satanic Sex scare all over again, only this time, the supposed victims are a coveted advertiser target, and the is much to be gained by seeing the emporer's fine new clothes. History will judge this as it's judged every other moral panic. When that happens, you'll all swear it was everyone else. Count on it.
In Canada, what percentage of our members of parliament will we kick out before we realize that we had a system were a high percentage of seemingly normal men, when put in a position of power, behaved deplorably?
I dunno, but they elected Rob Ford in Toronto, right?
Anybody remember when the UK government refused to acknowledge a known terrorist; Nelson Mandela? Then there's that terrorist every American admires: George Washington. If you think wrong choices must be punished by the mob, fine but don't choose the SJW complaint of the day.
The winners (re)write the history books, right?
We need to have a realistic, nuanced view of historical figures. At the moment we tend to paint them as either a saint or a monster.
Bushnell did play a really important part in early video game history, no doubt. But he also abused his money and power and acted like a complete arse, contributing to a culture that pushed women away from that new and exciting industry. It's not just women either, he treated male Atari employees badly too, refusing to allow credits in games etc.
I don't think it's asking too much for people to understand that, and look at his work in that light.
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In a statement this morning, GDC said its awards committee "made the decision not to give out a Pioneer Award for this year's event, following additional feedback from the community. They believe their picks should reflect the values of today's game industry and will dedicate this year's award to honor the pioneering and unheard voices of the past.
Today's values include conviction without evidence and honoring those who did not accomplish anything?
It's depressing that this is acceptable boilerplate today when it would have been considered incoherent rambling in a more intellectually honest age.
Even if he's got multiple boyscouts buried under his back porch.
The Atari 8 bit and Amiga chipsets were a work of art!
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But seriously getting an award for a work of art, science or engineering should not provide legal immunity for other crimes. For example I liked most of Roman Polanski's films and he deserved awards for them. However those awards shouldn't mean he avoids prosecution for what he did to Samantha Geimer. You can be talented in one arena and still be a degenerate criminal.
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There is no such thing as "white privilege" or "male privilege". There is, however, affluent privilege. Suggesting that white janitors and white CEO's enjoy the same level of "privilege" is absolutely deranged.
Of course it's deranged, but fortunately you have very fnudamentally misunderstood the notion.
The concept is that it's like an automatic level up in a given situation.
Take that janitor, and make every property of the janitor identical, i.e. socioeconomic situation, socionomic situation of parents, salary, company worked at and so on and so forth.
With all of those the same, switch the "white man" property for some other class.
The concept of privelege is that the new janitor would be a bit worse off in some respects.
Wringing our hands over the imperfect lives of priviledged women, when half the world still lives on less than $1/day, is the height of narcissism.
This is utter unmitigated crap, and I have no sympathy for this point of view. It is the height of laziness.
Not fixing the crap on your dorstep because there is worse crap elsewhere in the world is a lazy excuse for doing nothing. There is ALWAYS someewhere worse in the world so it serves as a generic excuse for never lifting a finger to improve anything.
And unless you're actually doing something about those people libing on a dollar a day, it's also the hheight of hipocracy. "I mean yeah I can't be arsed to do anything about anything but those people over there trying to fix something should fix something else I think is more important but am too lazy/selfish to bother with".
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Burn the witch! Burn the witch! BURN THE WITCH!!!
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This hysteria for persecution of heterosexuality, this pestilence of violent neo-Puritanism - this, oh my bothers, is one of the many reasons China is beating is at absolutely everything.
Read the TFA (the one about 'a day of outcry' - https://www.theverge.com/2018/... ).
What really happened;
- Bushnell wearing a T-shirt that said ”I love to fuck.”
- In a Playboy profile from 2012, Bushnell wistfully recalls the “wild environment” of the ‘70s Atari era.
- The engineers at Atari codenamed their projects after attractive female employees; “Darlene,” the codename for the home version of Pong, was inspired by a woman who Bushnell described to Playboy as “stacked.” (was this common back in the day? the Amiga also has all its chips named after woman, maybe it's a form of flattery?)
- They “held meetings in hot tubs, drank heavily, experimented with drugs... Sometimes Atari board meetings seemed more like fraternity parties than business meetings.”
Good thing they are not handing out the price to Bushnell, what an animal, what a disgrace to the human race.
What the hell people, who got actually hurt in all of this?
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
If it means getting rid of ignorant twats like yourself who tolerate sexual harassment, then fine.
Under the intersectionality regime, EVERYONE can be a victim except "the man".
The whole point if intersectionality is that no-one is just "a man". Everyone is a mixture of things that intersect - gender, race, class, social status, age, (dis)ability, health, even political views and faith.
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Suggesting that white janitors and white CEO's enjoy the same level of "privilege" is absolutely deranged.
It is, which is why that's not what anyone except your straw man is doing.
In this case the janitor's white privilege would be that if they get caught with a tiny amount of weed on them they are much less likely to end up in jail than a black janitor, all other things being equal. Of course, the rich CEO is even less likely to end up doing time.
The word used to describe these interactions of multiple factors like race and affluence is "intersectionality".
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The whole point if intersectionality is that no-one is just "a man"
And the whole point of GamerGate is about ethics in journalism
And the whole point of MRAs is men's rights.
And the whole point of Trump's wall is to keep out illegal immigrants (ditto any other Trump/Republican policy, it's exactly the good thing Trumpsters say it is, not what the haters and Democrats and late night comedians say it is!)
And the whole point of communism is a state-less paradise where nobody is ever oppressed by a big authoritarian government.
And the whole point of alt-right is about white nationalism, of the totally not racist or Nazi kind. They're just embracing THEIR intersactionality of being white and male and Christian etc!
It's one thing to say what your idea means on paper, but that's just not how things are in reality (can't help but notice reality isn't on the list of factors you listed, lol)
I mean if we are going to hold history accountable for behavior that is only recently (last 40yrs) been deemed unacceptable, we might as well go after former presidents too. Lincoln and his wife, Mary Todd, owned a lot of slaves before they were free'd. At one time we made crayons out of whale blubber, better shackled the handcuffs on the execs at Crayola. Benjamin Franklin owned a lot of slaves and had children from a lot of them, better take away his credit for inventing the Franklin Stove, or discovering electricity.
I wonder if these idiots ever consider that the precedence they are setting will eventually get themselves condemned in 50 yrs. Who knows what things, acceptable today, will be deemed extremely taboo in the future.
Measureing the popularity of personal behavior relative to current social and moral trends as is completely out of scope for administrator s of this award to consider. Yeah the Integrity they would have dissolved this award system rather than pervert and distort it's metrics
This is utter bullcrap... I mean ok maybe he did these things... but he 70+ years old.. it was the NORM back then. It was the 70.... just watch a TV show from the 70s... you'll see what I mean. Watch Star Trek the original series and you'll see plenty of case where today's women would be scream and tear their hair off. Okay he might have done terrible things.. but that doesn't diminish what he did for video game. If we start removing honors to all those that are critisezed for "bad behavior" well it wont take much time before we have a lot of awards and nobody to give them to. I mean being disrespectful to someone isn't a crime... it happens everyday... and Im not talking sexually.. . if you get cut in traffic is a disrespectful act... if you give the finger to someone, thats disrespectful... I mean we have such double standards its ridicule...
just no. The left hate Bill. Not because of his philandering but because his right wing economic policies. He cut funding to schools, his Wallstreet deregulation lead to the 2008 crash (he broke down the barriers between Wallstreet & Main Street banks that allowed derivatives to go nuts) and he cut taxes on the wealthy. The .com boom and housing bubble masked the damage he did until 2008, but it was going to collapse eventually.
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we should remove Saudi Arabia's status as an ally until they agree to fix their record on human rights, and that includes their treatment of women. And no, I don't care one rat's buttered behind if they say it's for religious reasons. I'm a student of Richard Dawkins (figuratively).
And yes, I'm horrified by the treatment of the refugees coming here. They're escaping genocide.
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Nolan Bushnell takes this bad news with far more grace than Slashdot's neo-cons. Rush to defend him if you want, but it looks like even he doesn't want you.
but Clinton was conservative on the only thing that mattered (economics). That's how he got elected. Wallstreet backed him and he backed Wallstreet; cutting tons of regulations that eventually lead to the 2008 crash (which got delayed by the .com boom and then the housing boom). He also looked the other way while our jobs were shipped overseas, promising new jobs and training support that never came.
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Of course you can complain. It's inappropriate no matter who does it.
Oh yeah, cause you know all about the race relations of the janitorial class. Of course you do, you took a class on it, amirite? Not sure if you believe this or not, but there is a level of class in which the quality of life is such shit, that any notion of "priviledge" is completely and utterly inapplicable. The people who use the term "white privilege" tend to be those that are truly privileged. My God, look at the black incarceration rate and the wealth gap since Democrats quit (openly) trying to oppress blacks, and started pretending to advocate for them. If anything is clear, the privilege is all theirs. Affluent whites have been trying to scapegoat poor whites for their sins for the past 40 years, and it's grotestuqe. Few if any of tem have ANY IDEA how the working-class live, and ascribing even modest levels of their affluent priviledge to the people who live paycheck-to-paycheck is nothing short of grotesque. Keep the lower-classes divided so they never rise up and challenge the priviledge whites that are your parents and neighbors is the name of the game, all while the useful idiots that are their offspring run around yapping about the "priviledge" of white janitors who, what, get an extra cookie from the vending maching on their lunch break? You know, if there is a lunch break. But you really wouldn't know. Doesn't stop you from pretending that you do though. Fucking bunch of evil narcissists the lot of you.