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Update: Possible Active Shooter Reported at YouTube HQ (theverge.com)
Police have responded to multiple 911 calls at YouTube headquarters in San Bruno, California. From a report: Vadim Lavrusik, a product manager at the company, tweeted that there is an active shooter on campus. The San Bruno Police Department instructed people to stay away from 901 Cherry Avenue, where the company is located. Multiple 911 calls have been received from inside the building, according to a report from local news station KRON. In a Twitter thread, YouTube product manager Todd Sherman said that employees first thought there had been an earthquake. People began running out of their meetings, he said, but before reaching the exit, they got word that someone had a gun. Sherman said he saw blood on the floor and the stairs. He also said the shooter may have committed suicide. Vadim Lavrusik, who works at YouTube's products team, tweeted, "Active shooter at YouTube HQ. Heard shots and saw people running while at my desk. Now barricaded inside a room with coworkers."
Update 20:30 GMT: Google has issued the following statement, "we are coordinating with authorities and will provide official information here from Google and YouTube as it becomes available." San Bruno Police said it was "responding to an active shooter. Please stay away from Cherry Ave & Bay Hill Drive."
Update 20:40 GMT: CBS San Francisco reports: KPIX 5 reporter Andria Borba said at least two Homeland Security units were responding. Police radio transmissions describe casualties being taken to local hospitals. San Francisco General Hospital spokesman Brent Andrew said the hospital received patients from the incident but could not confirm a number. Update 21:20 GMT: ABC News is reporting that the suspected shooter is a white adult female, and that this is "leaning towards a workplace violence situation."
Update 21:30 GMT: Law enforcement has confirmed that the shooter was a white female dressed in a headscarf. The woman reportedly shot her boyfriend then herself. It's unclear exactly how many people have been injured, but early reports estimate at least 9-10 victims. There is no word on their conditions.
Update 03:10 GMT: ABC7 News is reporting that the shooter has been identified as Nasim Aghdam. She reportedly had a website with an alleged manifesto that targeted YouTube for censorship and demonetization of her video content. Contrary to previous reports, she is said to have no relationship with anyone in the YouTube facility.
UPDATE 03:40 GMT: Aghdam's website can be found here.
Update 04:15 GMT: The shooter is believed to have known at least one of the victims, two law enforcement officials told CNN. Other sources suggest the shooter drove up from San Diego. YouTube says her YouTube channel "has been terminated due to multiple or severe violations of YouTube's policy against spam, deceptive practices, and misleading content or other Terms of Service violations."
Update 20:30 GMT: Google has issued the following statement, "we are coordinating with authorities and will provide official information here from Google and YouTube as it becomes available." San Bruno Police said it was "responding to an active shooter. Please stay away from Cherry Ave & Bay Hill Drive."
Update 20:40 GMT: CBS San Francisco reports: KPIX 5 reporter Andria Borba said at least two Homeland Security units were responding. Police radio transmissions describe casualties being taken to local hospitals. San Francisco General Hospital spokesman Brent Andrew said the hospital received patients from the incident but could not confirm a number. Update 21:20 GMT: ABC News is reporting that the suspected shooter is a white adult female, and that this is "leaning towards a workplace violence situation."
Update 21:30 GMT: Law enforcement has confirmed that the shooter was a white female dressed in a headscarf. The woman reportedly shot her boyfriend then herself. It's unclear exactly how many people have been injured, but early reports estimate at least 9-10 victims. There is no word on their conditions.
Update 03:10 GMT: ABC7 News is reporting that the shooter has been identified as Nasim Aghdam. She reportedly had a website with an alleged manifesto that targeted YouTube for censorship and demonetization of her video content. Contrary to previous reports, she is said to have no relationship with anyone in the YouTube facility.
UPDATE 03:40 GMT: Aghdam's website can be found here.
Update 04:15 GMT: The shooter is believed to have known at least one of the victims, two law enforcement officials told CNN. Other sources suggest the shooter drove up from San Diego. YouTube says her YouTube channel "has been terminated due to multiple or severe violations of YouTube's policy against spam, deceptive practices, and misleading content or other Terms of Service violations."
'Tubes or it didn't happen.
DisGUNtled coworker??
Maybe someone finally really showed looking up for their "Internet money". (South Park reference that I'm too lazy to attach.)
Seems like a job likely to cause a person to snap:
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(1) YouTube says they will ban (most) gun videos.
(2) Protests follow.
(3) Then this happens.
Sounds like a false flag to drum up support for their plan.
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Don't worry, Trump will die in prison either way.
don't ban guns on their property, this will continue to happen.
I'm very interested in the motive of the shooter. Employee going postal? Relationship revenge?
Or someone "fighting back" because YouTube took down/put out new rules about firearm videos? (And, in usual YouTube scorched-earth fashion, they completely overreacted.)
I suppose that makes me callous, but mass shootings are so common in the US that I don't feel anything for the actual loss of life.
Didn't California ban active shooters in the state?
After YouTube butchered their UI recently I feel like grabbing a gun and hunting down some of their employees.
This will turn out to be another nutjob angry about YouTube's gun video policies or driven by the likes of Alex Jones believing Google is out to censor the "truth".
America really needs to address its guns issue.
If it did then the police would have a high suicide rate.
Channel pages were down yesterday.
Can anyone else not see any replies to that tweet? I can see the count, but none of the actual replies. Is there some kind of filter/censor being applied?
California has pretty strict gun laws. How could anyone get a gun to YouTube HQ?
The juice is on the loose.
Something like one out of every 10-50 thousand people who own a gun misuse them. California and neighboring states have tens of millions of people who own guns, most of whom are extra-miffed at YouTube these days. It would stand to reason that the couple dozen whackos in that population might take it too far.
It's just stupidity all around. People shouldn't shoot up offices and schools, and corporations should refrain from antagonizing people.
Gotta link?
Isn't going into YouTube HQ with a loaded gun and shooting people a violation of the terms of service?
Does this gunman not understand that this will almost certainly result in a strike against his account?
Talk about reckless!
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Keep it classy Slashdot. Real people may have indeed lost their lives.
I'm sure he'll stand down just as soon as the police let him know he's breaking the law.
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Didn't California ban active shooters in the state?
Nope.
According to Diane Feinstein:
We have federal regulations and state laws that prohibit hunting ducks with more than three rounds. And yet it's legal to hunt humans with 15-round, 30-round, even 150-round magazines.
...to a nicer company, yeah?
In the US, people can freely cross borders between states. That's why Chicago has such terrible gun violence despite having strict(er) gun laws than neighboring states/cities.
I don't respond to AC's.
Link above was mangled, here's the real link:
Feinstein quotes
In the US, people can freely cross borders between states. That's why Chicago has such terrible gun violence despite having strict(er) gun laws than neighboring states/cities.
Then why does Texas have so much less? Or New Hampshire?
Imagine your job is to review cat videos.
All day, every day.
Cats sleeping, cats jumping, cats getting scared, cats attacking, cats fighting, cats hunting birds, etc.
Now, wouldn't that make you crazy and want to shoot the place up?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Well that, or some random just went crazy. Possibly among the companies own personal.
One thing for certain though: this will go political in about 5 fucking minutes.
Was she selling snacks by any chance?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
No, but they do need to have a label indicating that they've been found to cause cancer in the state of California.
Can't ban guns, YouTube. Silly fucks.
Because their hoodlums go out of state to but weapons?
Sounds like they have a problem with Hoodlums.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Nonsense. If that were true the level of gun violence in those neighboring areas would be much higher.
Police were seen laying down evidence markers near the seating area of the cafe.
I've seen epic McDonald's fights over the lack of bacon on an Egg McMuffin. No telling what can happen if they put mustard on a burger when you said, "No Mustard"
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Why haven't we banned ALL GUNS like ALL civilized countries??? You CANNOT OWN a gun in AUSTRALIA or ENGLAND, PERIOD.
In the US, people can freely cross borders between states. That's why Chicago has such terrible gun violence despite having strict(er) gun laws than neighboring states/cities.
So, the criminals get their guns from the surrounding places where the gun laws are lax and everybody has and sells guns. They take these guns into Chicago and commit violent offenses with them, and Chicago's crime rate soars, even though Chicago has the tough gun laws. QUESTION: Why is the crime rate LOW in those adjacent territories where the gun laws are lax and all the guns are in the first place?
And everyone who supports him and the NRA
Guess not. They should get on that. Right after they put Prop 65 warnings on coffee cups.
Vadim Lavrusik, who works at YouTube's products team, tweeted, "Active shooter at YouTube HQ. Heard shots and saw people running while at my desk. Now barricaded inside a room with coworkers."
Do you all realize one of the downsides of Apple's all-glass walls HQ?
His statement does seem to be an indictment of the citizens of Chicago.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Don't worry. YouTube is a gun-free campus. The shooter is completely safe from his victims. Funny how it works out that way.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
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Wrong. Gun violence in Chicago is primarily caused by organized crime and the opioid epidemic. Its people from Chicago shooting other people from Chicago over drugs and money. But if you actually have been to Chicago you would know that despite the numbers its still a pretty safe city as long as you don't go to the wrong areas.
Almost all gun (and sexual) violence is democrat demographics on democrat demographics.
California is full of democrats. Their legal persecution of law abiding residents doesn't even come close to addressing gun violence...
Yawn ... Americans are shooting one another again, and they refuse to make meaningful changes.
I'm sorry, but at this point, I can no longer muster any sympathy for shootings in the US. This is a problem of your own creation, and if you won't do something about it, that's kind of your problem.
Though, I'm sure Trump the Idiot will send his thoughts and prayers, which haven't helped in any of the previous examples of this either.
There's simply no point in trying to muster up the effort to give a damn if Americans can only collectively decry what a tragedy it is while insisting that no changes are possible.
It's like one very loud and influential segment of society are defending your right to be shot to death, even if you have no desire for such a right.
Fuck it, I simply don't care if you idiots shoot one another. Maybe eventually you'll figure out you need to actually do something.
As much as people hate Breitbart on this forum, their coverage style for breaking news is actually pretty good
It's a page with minute-by-minute updates of what's generally going on in the situation.
As of right now (2:05 CA local time), reports that the shooter is female.
sbpd: we came as quick as we got the call. So you guys are saying your abundant coverage of Videogames has caused a violent shooting?
Youtube: what? no thats not whats happening at --
sbpd: So video games themselves have started shooting people? or the people inside are playing some kind of video game that makes you shoot people?
Youtube: we never mentioned video games at all guys, this is a real --
sbpd: I get it. some kind of twitch stream where the pokemans are in augmented reality...it was only a matter of time.
Youtube: thats nonsense...none of that makes any sense...
Homeland Security: so due to legislative prioritization we dont really have any ability to stop whats going on except with thoughts and prayers. Also we're technically not allowed to be here unless its some kind of copyright infringement.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Why is the crime rate LOW in those adjacent territories where the gun laws are lax and all the guns are in the first place?
Typically, isolated cities like this start out as places where the crime rate (and violent crime rate) soars, and they try to curb it by enacting gun laws. In other words: everyone has the same gun laws; then the city has high crime; then the city enacts gun laws; the crime doesn't go away.
People come along and say, "Hey, look! The places without gun laws have low crime, and the strong gun law places have high crime!" Sometimes they leave it dangling; frequently they try to assert something about disarmament only disarming the citizenry so the criminals know they're easy--essentially narrating that the gun laws came first and brought crime.
Nobody seems to ask why the crime increased in the first place.
Nobody seems to ask why the approach of locking people up for long sentences (that's what these tough gun laws do) doesn't suppress the crime.
Then: Republicans start using words like "Truth in Sentencing", which follow the same reasoning as these gun laws whereby maybe if we lock people up more and longer people will stop doing bad things and the crime will go away.
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Fake news, everyone knows Youtube is a gun free zone, so an active shooter is impossible.
Didn't California ban active shooters in the state?
Nope, too bad one of those "good guys with a gun" wasn't nearby and able to save the day...
The 23rd infantry of the U.S. Marines, which is about a block away, has been put on lockdown.
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As one of the most snarky people on Slashdot, and having even first-posted a Youtube joke here, I would like to in all seriousness express my sadness that people were attacked, injured, and I hope they all survive and recover. This is a tragedy, both for the individuals involved and their families, and for our society. I am sure that I can speak for many people, with many opinions about the societal implications and wildly differing views on the etiology of these kinds of attacks, when I say here that we give our condolences to the victims and their loved ones.
I wanted there to be at least one non-political non-asshole comment to this effect on Slashdot.
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The level of snark and folly is too great. Try to treat things a bit more seriously, like you do code design.
You could see the same thing with marijuana. When medicinal pot was made legal in California(not recreational), people would rent houses and mass grow, before exporting it to non-legal states.
Then: Republicans start using words like "Truth in Sentencing", which follow the same reasoning as these gun laws whereby maybe if we lock people up more and longer people will stop doing bad things and the crime will go away.
The 3 strikes laws were due to Bill Clinton. You know what the Clintons arent? Republicans.
"His name was James Damore."
By the way, it is ALREADY ILLEGAL to hunt humans. That is called "murder" and can result in the 2nd most severe punishment of any crime (only copyright violation gets harsher punishments).
But of course making it MORE illegal will surely work.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
I suspect it's someone fed up with the strangling of the independent media channels & simultaneous with the promotion of useless traditional media YT channels (which are done now for any thinking individual) what got someone that upset.
If that's the case I only hope they got the person/s responsible for it and failed to hit those who work there & have to suffer in silence.
thers no sense in sivilians having machine guns
Don't worry, Trump will die in prison either way.
Why do you wish him well ? The orangutan deserves to have his brains shot out by a Republitard carrying an AR-15.
Now that would be divine justice.
Reports are that it started in the kitchen over a disagreement about cookies.
Don't have links or citations, I'm watching local TV and radio news here in California. As with early reports of a breaking story, many or all of these details could be wrong. Take with a grain of salt.
- Shooter is described as a white female, wearing a dark headscarf.
- One witness says she shot her boyfriend, 10 times.
- Coroner has been called, so at least one person is dead
- Suspect also reported dead possibly from a self-inflicted wound
- At least 4 bystanders were hit by gunfire
Possibly the best way to prevent unwanted homicides is executions.. Most of the crimes in cities like that are by what Hillary got in so much trouble for labeling super predators. This is a very small percentage of the population. It isn't like any significant percentage of black Americans in Chicago are going around killing people. What a significant percentage of black Americans in Chicago are doing though is dying from violence by the same people over and over again. Those same people also tend to have many children which is problematic given the established genetic link to violent criminality. Why not simply execute them on their first offense?
Time for some Common Sense Female Control.
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What do you guys think? Should we give the Youtube victims some privacy? ;)
Lol.
It's Leftist culture that creates those citizens.
Disgusting.
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Except for the employees who were reading Slashdot at their desks.
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No one at Google is ever going to see these comments, so calm down already. And humor is needed even in the darkest of situations.
Because their hoodlums go out of state to but weapons?
People who whine about "guns from out of state" obviously don't understand the concept of scale.
Say all guns get banned in every state; criminals will still get guns, because Mexico exists.
Then the whiners will piss and moan about "guns from out of country," but our government has no jurisdiction there. Q.E.D.
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It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Because the only solution to guns is more guns of course. It's not like that could ever go wrong.
Flat out lie, crime did not skyrocket here at all, in fact crime rates have been going down for years. Nobody I know owns need or wants a gun here. Why do you American ammosexuals repeat this obvious lie?
Spot on. America is full of nutjobs with guns so the only rational response is to either carry one yourself or work/live/play at places that have trained, armed marshals/police on hand 24/7.
America isn't Europe so not having a gun in America is just asking to be a victim. Sad but true.
Her Victims.
The shooter was apparently a woman.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
The military is expressly forbidden by Congress from operating on US soil, smartass.
Stop the violence against men!
We are failing at teaching our girls. Speak out if you have been abused by a woman!
Don't worry, Trump will die in prison either way.
Why do you wish him well ? The orangutan deserves to have his brains shot out by a Republitard carrying an AR-15.
Now that would be divine justice.
Look kids, it's the Spring thaw! See all the little snowflakes melting?
What part? Executing murderers? You would think that.
Wrong. Gun violence in Chicago is primarily caused by organized crime and the opioid epidemic. Its people from Chicago shooting other people from Chicago over drugs and money. But if you actually have been to Chicago you would know that despite the numbers its still a pretty safe city as long as you don't go to the wrong areas.
If a city has "wrong areas" you need to avoid, your city isn't safe.
That's why CNN switch to Trump swill. This story just didn't fit their narrative.
There are no federal 3 strikes laws so Bill Clinton could not have imposed these.
Don't you have a KKK rally to attend?
It is amazing they've survived this long. Their meltdown started a year and a half ago.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
No, it's people on the right who cut all funding to social programs, poverty reduction, education, and healthcare who create a whole bunch of people who have nothing else to lose.
Tax cuts for the rich? Charter schools so idiots can defund public education? Gerrymandering to ensure only rich white folks matter? All of these things leave you with a populace who is going to say "fuck it, if the only way to get something is to take it, I'll do that".
Conservative douchebags who basically say "fuck everyone else, I've got mine" are who create people who have nothing to resort to but crime.
You know, the same fucking retards who try to tell us abstinence-only sex-education will magically reduce pregnancies.
I wish we could pass a law that said real, scientific evidence was needed to pass a law. Because the lying sack of shit Conservatives who blame everything on the 'leftists' are the drooling morons who make policy not on evidence and facts, but their idiotic beliefs.
I don't give a fuck what your god says, he doesn't get a fucking vote.
Maybe. It worked for Australia ya dumbfuck. Or are you admitting a cuntry made up of the descendants of people so shitty England sent them halfway round the world is better than you inbred USAmericans??
Too bad the leftist economy props up your shitty backwards red states.
Funny how that works isn't it.
He said first offense.
First offense means any arrest. Not just murders. He wants to execute anyone in an urban area who has been arrested.
Learn to convey your meanings if you want to discuss.
Also, in a lot of places they do, in fact, execute Murderers. So you are proposing nothing new.
No but with the melt now we can see all the dogshit like you on the lawn for the stale, used up waste it is. Bazinga.
Has there ever been a mass shooting that wasn't in a gun free zone? I can think of only one, that assassination attempt against a senator with a lot of collateral damage.
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Illegal gun traffic goes the other way - from the US to Mexico. Which makes sense - the guns are made in the US, not Mexico.
Name one city that doesn't have bad areas. I'll wait.
According to this expert on /. laws are just a waste of time. Wew! Thank God we can stop wasting our time with this thousands of years of civilization based on laws now we've been shown the error of our ways!
You're a moron.
Then the whiners will piss and moan about "guns from out of country," but our government has no jurisdiction there. Q.E.D.
Uhhh... we have jurisdiction over our border. Mexican guns aren't much cause for concern as long as they stay in Mexico.
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California has pretty strict gun laws. How could anyone get a gun to YouTube HQ?
Shouldn't you be wondering how many more workplace murders would happen if it were an option in every petty squabble because there were no gun laws?
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Has there ever been a mass shooting that wasn't in a gun free zone?
Then you conveniently forgot about the UCC campus shooting.
Because the only solution to guns is more guns of course. It's not like that could ever go wrong.
It's not perfect, but yes. Guns in the hands of the law abiding often DO help in the case of a mass shooting incident or during violent crimes.
Let's not toss out workable solutions because there are risks or it's not perfect. "Perfect is the enemy of good" in this case.
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Women shooters are so very rare that I wonder if this was a transgender woman.
Hunting humans is not illegal. *KILLING* them is! We teach kids to hunt humans with a game called hide-and-seek.
In the US, people can freely cross borders between states. That's why Chicago has such terrible gun violence despite having strict(er) gun laws than neighboring states/cities.
Chicago's problem is social and economic. The rampant proliferation of ILLEGAL weapons is but a symptom. I contend that allowing LEGAL firearms into the place would help the innocent survive as would prosecuting firearm violations (such as position by felons, or use in a crime) which isn't really done by Chicago could help.... But Again, the real issue in Chicago is not illegal weapons, it's just a symptom of the social and economic crisis of the people who live in parts of it.
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The prohibition of armed forces acting on domestic soil applies only to the US Army and US Air Force. This prohibition does not apply to the Coast Guard, National Guard, or the US Marine Corps. Also, this prohibition does not apply to the enforcement of federal law. I'm pretty sure attempted murder is prohibited under federal law, perhaps I'm mistaken.
I remember talking to a guy that lived out by DC. He talked of a military base that had a major highway going through it and USMC military police enforced traffic law there. They will stop people that speed and issue tickets, anyone in uniform had their commanders notified of the ticket as well. Speeding on a military base is a violation of federal law, and members of the military will enforce that law.
The use of Marines to enforce federal law is relatively routine. Did you ever notice that the security detail around the President of the United States is full of Marines? That's because using members of either the Army and Air Force could be considered a violation of the prohibitions laid out in the Constitution of having a standing Army. Perhaps a minor point if the guy is in a Marine uniform instead of an Army one but this is what the law says.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
The boy says to lead asshole: 'I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.' Proudly holding his AIR-15.
Here is the thing you don't get, despite your vitriolic towards anti-gun activists, I honestly and sincerely hope that nobody EVER takes a gun from your nephew 's cold dead hands. I hope that you and your nephew never becomes on of the thousands of Americans killed or injured in firearms accidents that occur each year. Hell, I hope the two of you celebrate your 100th birthday together.
I get that you enjoy owning and firing guns and the feeling of control it gives you, but you or he only need to make one mistake. Is it really worth it?
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I find it macabre that these shootings are so common that we feel immediately comfortable joking about tragedies involving human suffering and death.
In the good old days, we at least pretended to care and waited a suitable length of time before making jokes of questionable empathy, initially whispered only in private company.
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He's not a member of AntiFA - so, no.
UCC required written permission to bring a firearm onto campus. That's basically a gun-free zone...
To be fair, murder is no less egregious to God than stealing, or say, bearing false witness. So I say murder away! We do all the others all the time!
Maybe Reykjavik? just guessing...
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Uhhh... we have jurisdiction over our border. Mexican guns aren't much cause for concern as long as they stay in Mexico.
So illegal immigrants do not exist? Cocaine does not exist? Both of these things are "made" outside of our borders, yet seem to have no problem making their way inside.
So over the past few years we've seen article upon article about "white toxic masculinity" causing people to go postal with guns.
While I feel like a ghastly person for doing it, fuck those people who've done this over the years, shaming people for who they are.
Is it time for a 'toxic femininity' article? I doubt it.
There are plenty of humans to hunt but some ducks are on endangered list, therefore restriction on hunting ducks with 3 rounds should stand.
UCC required written permission to bring a firearm onto campus. That's basically a gun-free zone...
Yeah, and the good guy with the gun who was there and did nothing except hide during the active shooter situation.
The rocks are for stonings!
Good solid biblical education!
Also useful if they find a woman who has laid with a man who is not her husband..
Or eaten shellfish..
Or using the name of Jeho.... oh dear..
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From this article on fire safety:
What is the proper way to use a Class ABC, multi-purpose, dry chemical fire extinguisher? ... ...
The horizontal range of the dry chemical stream will reach a distance from 5 to 20 feet.
The approximate discharge time for 10 to 20 pounds of dry chemical ranges from 10 to 25 seconds.
I wish the chemical stream reached farther than 5 to 20 feet. If it did, then an ABC dry chemical fire extinguisher might be used against a shooter.
And someone like me, who can't stand the idea of shooting someone, would be more willing to use the fire extinguisher, rather than shooting a gun at the attacker. (Although if I were trying to protect school children, I'd certainly be willing to shoot the attacker.)
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There are no federal 3 strikes laws
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(1) in paragraph (1)--
(A) by inserting after ``commission of'' the following:
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Federal law. Stop being lying fucks. Just stop. Stop fucking lying. Seriously. Just fucking stop lying. The liberals are going to lose everything if you extremists in the camp dont fucking stop. Just fucking stop.
"His name was James Damore."
that's sorta the problem with having a patch work approach. Oh, and the gun show loop hole. So much for your strict laws.
I hate to make this a car analogy, but we should be regulating guns like cars.
BTW, any one care to hazard a guys why the constitution doesn't just say "The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed"? Why the part about the well regulated militia. IIRC anything after the preamble is meant to be legal text, e.g. not just for show. All I ever find googling it is vague arguments on both sides.
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when it's not a 90 minute drive to somebody to murder. Population density is a factor.
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The gun is nothing more than an inanimate tool. I have never once had a problem with any of them spontaneously coming to life and shooting someone or something by themselves.
Bullshit! Yea, well nukes are nothing more than an inanimate tools as well. I have never once had a problem with any of them spontaneously coming to life and nuking someone or something by themselves. Yet I don't see anyone arguing that it should be okay for anyone to walk around with one.
since there's been a nation wide moratorium on researching gun violence since the early 2000s. If I had to make a guess I'd say economy. Chicago's economic base when kaput when manufacturing moved to Mexico. Texas still has oil jobs.
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off the road. And the reason you don't need to register if you're not driving on public roads is that it's assumed you're not really using it.
I suppose we could do the same thing. You can have your guns without regulation, but as soon as you take it in public it gets confiscated (carrying a gun is equivalent to using it, since as folks like to point out it's a deterrent). This would also mean you can't shoot unregistered guns at a range.
We don't register knives because they're not as dangerous. Same reason we don't register bikes. I crash into you on my road bike you've got a broken leg worst case (barring the occasional freak mishap). I'm alive today because a woman who ran a light while I was in a cross walk clipped the tire of the bike I was carrying instead of hitting me. That's the kind of difference we're talking about here.
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CA wants those immigrants for the cheap labor. And the immigrants want to stay because the higher wages mean more money to send back home. Plus as soon as they leave the sanctuary cities they're at a greater risk of deportation.
Not saying what CA is doing is right. But your points aren't accurate.
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is objectively small. You're not going to fight a revolution with them. Those days are over. Our standing military is too powerful now After all, the point of the Second Amendment was a check on the standing army. But a modern and well provisioned military is beyond the ability of any citizenry to fight. Forget drones, you won't be able to keep up with their supply lines.
As for protection, you're much more likely to shoot yourself. A far better means of protection would be proper drug treatment, mental health care services and free housing to end homelessness. Make a world where you don't live in constant fear of some nut job breaking into your home.
All that said the "If it saves one life" argument is too extreme. I don't begrudge you your hobby (I do begrudge you thinking you can fight the US Military, since that line of thought leads to political laziness when you think you can fix politics with a gun). But guns are dangerous. Regulate them like cars.
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now are you willing to raise your taxes to solve that people problem? Or barring that are you willing to round up folks who are potentially unbalanced and dispose of them cheaply?
I keep hearing the argument that the problem is mental health but nobody seems willing to either pony up the cash or do the really nasty and oppressive stuff needed if you're not gonna pony up the cash. What I'm saying is, put up or shut up. Lets see single payer health care (including mental health), free housing for the homeless (nothing fancy, but a room to sleep in, a land line with answering machine and a communal place to cook/wash) and legalize drugs with proper treatment for addicts. Do those 3 things and we'll stop banging on about your assault rifles.
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It's a muzzie.
ABC is reporting that the shooter was one Nasim Aghdam and the hospital lists three people as being in the hospital with the shooter dead, due to a self-inflicted gunshot.
Possibly the best way to prevent unwanted homicides is executions.. Most of the crimes in cities like that are by what Hillary got in so much trouble for labeling super predators. This is a very small percentage of the population. It isn't like any significant percentage of black Americans in Chicago are going around killing people. What a significant percentage of black Americans in Chicago are doing though is dying from violence by the same people over and over again.
That's what turned out to be the case in Aurora, most of the crimes were being perpetrated by a handful of repeat criminals and once they were caught the crime rate plummeted to the point that we're now in the Top 10 Safest Midsized Cities list just a little below Naperville and catching up.
Government authority can't be trusted to protect us? Wait, which side was it again that wanted us to wholly put trust in government authority?
Mexico imports guns from America.
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Maybe someone finally really showed looking up for their "Internet money". (South Park reference that I'm too lazy to attach.)
It's super spooky that the Frist Prost on Slashdot got the motive correct...
Nobody accuse gun of the violence. The people are always the source of the violence. BUT the point is that you can take steps to lower the access of guns to some people, and lower the amount of accidents done with it. Heck if the law only allow in the end to reduce the amount of fatal gun violence among 12 year d kids (yes there are kids as low as 4 year old which die every year - not many but enough to be incredibly sad) that would be progress. But NAAAAAAN guns must be freeeeee man. Second amendment babbbby. Nothing should stop anybody to have a gun and store it in any condition. Evaaaar. No you will excuse my sarcasm but your strawman earned it.
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Irrational phobia would be to run screaming when one see the PICTURE of a gun. To view gun as a dangerous instrument which should not be owned by the general public (general public which I remind everybody obey a gaussian law when it comes to pretty much everything related to intelligence , safety) is actually not a phobia, it is pretty much the rule in most of the western world. The US is an aberration when it comes to that. Albeit I will admit that the lack of rules (even California is weak compared to the standard in western Europe) is not the only factor. I have suspected for a long time that societal factor like the lack of care for mental illness, and the lack of societal net to avoid you falling down the crack in debt and despair, are also 2 gigantic factors.
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Iranian Azeri Vegan Activist Nasim Aghdam....
Well, I have no problem with a death penalty. I do have problems with our justice system. I find his pandering to bigots disgusting.
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Oh, sure. There's similar going on with gun control laws in Maryland, which was why there's a lead from one to the other ("following the same reasoning as these gun laws").
"Truth in Sentencing" is a common Conservative thread about how sentences should be harsh and permanent--you need to actually serve the long sentence, not get out on parole. It works about as well as 5-year mandatory minimum sentencing for having an illegal firearm--that is: not at all.
I like to point out where both sides are rebranding the same ideals as different and both attempts are failing. I'm trying to twist the Democratic party's arm into straightening out; the Republicans have unsalvageable ideals.
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I used to argue that executions work as a deterrent in low-crime, low-poverty areas where people are immediately fearful of execution, and not at all in high-crime areas where part of your day-to-day criminal life is the threat of death from everyone but the state (i.e. a state execution is the least-likely way you're going to die, so why would you care?).
The second argument there is probably correct. The first one has a flaw: most people are decent people anyway, and are hesitant to commit capital offense for their own internal reasons.
It turns out we can readily reduce crime with strong behavioral health programs and more attempts to stop the cycle of institutionalization--that committing a crime destroys your life such that you are unable to thrive and so are actively pressured to commit more crimes thanks to our criminal justice system's own actions against you--which takes things in the opposite direction. I've started collecting those things we need for the purpose.
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She looks like a cross between Scott Baio or Joan Jett.
And what exactly is a passive shooter?
Youtube employees deserved this. Not that anyone should have shot them up, but they deserved it. Youtube is full of tyrants and it was a matter of time before someone started shooting them up. Now these liberal cucks got a taste of why we have the first amendment in the first place: The consequences of surpressing speech are always worse.
My point was that the US government does not have authority to ban guns in Mexico.
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Illegal gun traffic goes the other way - from the US to Mexico. Which makes sense - the guns are made in the US, not Mexico.
Do any of the guns make their way back?
The answer, BTW, is "yes, yes they do, and sometimes those 'walked back' guns are used to kill American citizens."
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a gun range isn't private property if it's a business. As soon as you open it to the public it is no longer private. That's what it means to open it to the public. That's why you can't put up a 'No Coloreds' sign at your gun range.
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that these aren't 'arms' covered by the right to bare arms.
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i wonder if Facebook might be next. Suckerberg could lose what little mind he has at any moment and just start shooting :-)