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Democratic Party Files Suit Alleging Russia, the Trump Campaign, and WikiLeaks Conspired To Disrupt the 2016 Election (cnbc.com)
The Democratic Party is suing Russia, the Trump campaign and the whistle-blowing website Wikileaks for conspiring to disrupt the 2016 presidential election. From a report: The multi-million-dollar lawsuit filed in Manhattan federal court says that "In the Trump campaign, Russia found a willing and active partner in this effort" to mount "a brazen attack on American Democracy," which included Russian infiltration of the Democratic Party computer network. The Trump campaign, according to the lawsuit, "gleefully welcomed Russia's help." The suit says that "preexisting relationships with Russia and Russian oligarchs" with Trump and Trump associates "provided fertile ground for [the] Russia-Trump conspiracy." The common purpose of the scheme, according to the Democratic National Committee, was to "bolster Trump and denigrate the Democratic Party nominee," Hillary Clinton, while boosting the candidacy of Trump, "whose policies would benefit the Kremlin." Tom Perez, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said the party's suit "is not partisan, it's patriotic."
Clinton is running again, that should be obvious to all now. This is the funniest thing I've seen in a long, LONG time!
By actively preventing Bernie from getting the democratic nomination they made a Trump victory much more likely. Tons of people voted "not Hillary" with their Trump vote.
I'm not saying there was no Russian collusion, but lets look at all the reasons.
And more importantly Democratic Party got caught red handed by our Russian hackers conspiring to rig the primaries.
Time to stop publicly funding the partisan primary system. We shouldn't be publicly subsidizing secret cabals of rich well connected people conspiring to get "their people" into our government.
Russian derangement syndrome is fatal.
How long are those libr-clowns going to milk that dead cow?
Frankly, this is utter insanity.
Don't attribute to malice, what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
To that I ascribe the activities of the Republican and Democratic parties that got us the 2016 election result.
This lawsuit is a media and money-grabbing stunt, that is also a further attempt to de-legitimize anyone who disagrees with you. Kind of like on Slashdot, where if you utter anything but a Trump slur, and are immediately called a Russian troll.
They couldn't stand the whisper campaign that Trump himself practiced for say, Obama's Birth Certificate, or Hillary Clinton's alleged crimes, they couldn't handle the investigation by Mueller despite calling for endless inquiries into Benghazi, Whitewater and whatever else. They couldn't even take it when people pointed out that Trump's endless pompous proclamations and self-professed boasting were challenged.
And wow did they howl when Trump's attorney got raided due to evidence of his acts of various malfeasance being too odious to ignore.
Now? Now it'll be something in a court of law, and everybody will get to watch.
Expect them to protest with their empty-handed declarations, that they'll make up in volume what they lack in substance.
No mention of the SecureWorks analysis in the lawsuit..?
https://www.secureworks.com/re...
Was the most interesting assessment.
This will be fun. Can't wait to see Podesta and Mook cross examined under oath.
They're serving Wikileaks with discovery? Imagine what they'll find.
Loved the raid on Cohen's office, rumor is the frazzledrip tape was part of the client files in his office. Now it's evidence. LOL.
This will get thrown out....
It will take awhile, to be sure, but it will get tossed by the first judge who actually looks at the lack of evidence.
Remember, you can sue ANYBODY for ANYTHING by walking down to the courthouse and paying the fees.
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So the Democratic party is hell bent on losing the next 10 election cycles or more. I guess they're going to end up like Moses walking in the desert for 40 years and never being granted entry into the promised land.
Up until now, the Democrats have generally behaved properly in respect of the Russia investigation, leaving the interference and unwarranted attacks on law enforcement to the White House and the Republicans. However, I was distressed to read about this.
It is totally inappropriate to engage in this kind of political theater while Mueller's investigation is ongoing. When Trump and the Republicans are lying and attempting to interfere, by all means denounce their actions forcefully. However, lowering yourself to their level just feeds into the narrative that all politicians are the same, and they are all unprincipled conmen. It makes it harder to defend the institutions that are under attack.
I really believe if a small group of 10 Democrats and 10 Republicans in Congress could come together to denounce all anti-democratic activities, and pledge to act together in the country's best interests, they would do themselves and the country a great deal of good. The silent majority would applaud them. I am not holding my breath. I appreciate, by the way, that acting ethically here is more difficult for the Republicans as their administration has a lot to lose. However, I think that they could present their actions as heroic and vastly enhance their personal reputations in the process.
..like the childraep one the "free media" has coveredup. So Predidential. BIGLY foreign pawn.
When I read the national chairman of a political party saying
I hear a gangster saying
--- Mercutio was right.
Why don't you instead try to convince people outside of your various interest and grievance groups that you are actually worth voting for?
Here's a tip: if a clown can beat you, the problem isn't the clown ...
Is that the Russians supposedly did a terrible, un-patriotic, anti-American thing, by revealing the truth to the American people. And people are screaming "oh my God, no! The truth is a threat to American Democracy!" I mean, does Hillary get any blame for what was contained in those emails? No. The evil thing was that the plebes found out what was in them. We basically operate under the assumption that, if we ever knew what they were saying behind the scenes, we would never vote for any American politician. I mean, perish the thought that we'd ever be relieved ... that we'd ever be pleasantly suprised were a politicians emails to be revealed. That's not even in the realm of possibility. The whole system is rigged so badly, that the truth, the TRUTH, is a poison pill for American politics. We really have nobody to blame but ourselves for this. Voting for the lessor of two evils for 200 years ensures we always get evil and we're clearly good with that. You can't make the arguement that we deserve better. So, anyway, yeah, Democrats suing for revealing the truth to the American people ... and proudly suing at that. Calling it Patriotic even. Weep for us.
The DNC definitely didn't help itself by putting forward such a boring, unpopular candidate and then doing seemingly everything they could to prevent Bernie from winning.
By actively preventing Bernie from getting the democratic nomination they made a Trump victory much more likely. Tons of people voted "not Hillary" with their Trump vote.
It's come out that Russia influenced this too. As soon as Bernie was out of the way, they doubled down stoking the fires to get Bernie supporters mad at Hillary. I doubt any significant amount of people who were voting on policy ended up switching, but those who were voting emotionally to begin with were probably pretty easy targets.
How are they going to prove they were "injured" by Trump?
The more you blame other people for your problems, no matter if you're correct or not, the worse you look. Have they taken ownership of their failure and are figuring out a way to not make the same mistakes next time, or are they busy throwing a temper tantrum.
By the way, when is Hillary going to jail for leaking classified info? Even if no one hacked into her server, she still leaked it outside of the secure system it was supposed to be in and then lied about it multiple times. It's long past time she received some punishment for that if we're going to start holding politicians accountable to their actions*. Fair is fair.
*RFLOL. Like that'll ever happen.
wow you have a prez that shouldn't be, and an opposition party thats akin to German nazis. you guys are fucked.
Who is paying for all this? The DNC was reportedly broke at the beginning of the year. Are they taking money from campaign donations to fund frivolous lawsuits now? [source] http://theweek.com/speedreads/...
Go suck a perogi your Russian cuck.
The ones you're putting faith in are currently chewing Tide Pods. Might want to hedge bets with the kids's kids...
Sometimes, I ask people if we would be doing all of this Russia stuff had Hillary won? When I do, I get the strangest look as if they'd never even thought of it before. You kind of see the facial expression as they progress from suprised, to the realization that the answer is "no, we wouldn't care about any Russian collusion had our chosen candidate won." All this hand-wringing about Patriotism and American Democracy ... had said interference been in their favor, not a word would be uttered. In fact, we all know they'd be shouting down anyone who brought it up as a bunch of backwoods tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists. SNL would be running end-to-end sketches about redneck Republicans crowing about "Russian Collusion". It's also ironic that this time, it's the Democrats decrying that foreigners are influencing our elections. These are the same people who think having to present ID at the polling place is xenophobic. Affluent Democrats used to be our intellectual elite. Now, they're just as easily lured down the path of blatant hypocricy, and they are just as blind to it as the religious right has ever been. Self-interest and nraccisim completely surpress what should be the ability to see contradictions with clarity, and reduce all people, regardless of political afliliation, to defacto tools of whichever powerful interest seeks to use them. The USA no longer has an intellectual elite. We no longer have any identifiable party which can can establish a claim to the moral high ground. Instead, we have two intensely self-interested factions taking positions and feigning endless outrage to establish themselves within the heirarchy of the (usually inherited) idiology group. As cliche' as it is to reference the movie Idiocracy, it's becoming increasingly clear that it was an extremely optimistic portrayal of this nation's future.
Hilary and the DNC actively promoted Trump, because they thought he was the easiest candidate to beat.
Hillary, far more than Russia, is the reason Trump is president.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Please dear god... let's move on. It is over, been over for a long time... Hillary lost. Can't change that now... but time to stop the damn whining about it.
Title says it all
Not that it can be ruined much longer. Liar, cheater, "strong" woman that hid & covered up her husbands BJ's, rapes and everything else, mocked the woman that accused him of rape & sexual assault. Where's the (pound)#METOO bunch? Why do you not believe them, but, people would believe a "porn actress"? Fair is fair.. if you believe the allegations against Trump, equal treatment should be given to the Bill bunch that Hillary was in charge of destroying. A strong woman HA! Attempting to further her rise on the political ladder on the back of her husband. This "lawsuit" is just another attempt to bring down Trump. Ain't gonna happen.
Russia should absolutely be held to account but you democratic clowns are aiding and abetting russia by filing a lawsuit alleging a conspiracy just because you don't like the result of the vote and the republic.
Maybe a counter-suit should be filed against you for aiding and abetting russia in order to undermine the institutions of the republic.
We're reaching salt levels that shouldn't even be possible!
...than on the republicans...the phony dossier, the tarmac.. unmasking...oh my god so much more....
By actively preventing Bernie from getting the democratic nomination they made a Trump victory much more likely. Tons of people voted "not Hillary" with their Trump vote.
Which is increasingly looking like a rather peculiar choice given the man's decidedly underwhelming performance as POTUS, his manifest corruption before he even ran for office and his general lack of any moral fibre. The people who told me in 2016 they voted for Trump because he's a successful billionaire (yeah right) business man and would do a better job than any politician are now harping on about: "He's learning on the job, give him a break" (So what happened to the out-of-the-box grade-A, better-than-any-politico, businessman administrator?). The ones that harped on about how: "Trump is rich, so he must walk with god!" have changed their tune to: "Well we knew he wasn't an angel when we voted for him" (Actually you thought he was a paragon of morality who walked with god when you voted for him). But my absolute favourite is the people who claim: "Well the only reason he hasn't gotten anything done is because the democrats are blocking him." (He has the Republican party by the balls and they OWN BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS FOR GOD'S SAKE!! How can the Democrats block him in any significant way?). I do agree that Bernie would have been a better choice than either HIllary or Trump but I find the idea of voting for Trump because he was more honest than Hillary to be funny to say the least. Hillary is no paragon of honesty and she is deep in the pockets of corporate interest groups but at least she is competent. If the Right wing insists on furnishing us with a 'dear leader' they could at the very least have the decency to make it a competent one.
The really funny thing about that election to me was, there was absolutely no other Democrat Trump could have beat - but there was no other Republican Hillary could have lost to.
Trump is lite a literal embodiment of proof there is fate or some higher power at work.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You guys in your echo chamber are way too focused on how vulgar Trump is and not enough focused on how your echo chamber is inventing shit that has no basis in fact. You're also not looking in the mirror to the russia collusion going on in your own camp.
russia is indeed a big problem but it's not a republican problem it's a problem for everyone.
I be disappoint. I was hoping theyâ(TM) would end up adorning the lampposts.
Even war had limits, and cruelty their limits.
People that say things like clearly don't know much about human history. It is in fact literally the opposite of what you are implying. Are losing sides in wars pressed into slavery? Rape, pillage, genocide? Yeah, an occasional malfunctioning smart bomb is waaaaaaay worse that any city burned to the ground in ancient times or city-wide carpet bombing of the not-so-distant past, amirite?
Why would you make such a stupid argument? Oh yeah...
You just have to have SOME sense that refuses to allow someone like Trump to hold office
You had an agenda you wanted to push. Look, just because you maybe recently became aware of the craziness in the world, does not mean that everything was peachy until then.
But both the dyed blue/red liberals/conservatives (I never paid enough attention to remember what color was which) have been sliding towards the deep end for a long time now. The republicans seem to be reaching the endgame faster, but the democrats seem to be pushing the crazy up to 11, including the ultra-liberal SJW types pushing CoCs pro-Liberal censorship, etc.
I don't forsee America recovering from this spiraling devolution before economically, militarily, technologically or socially sliding under another nation's thumb, mostly from its own choices, actions, and inactions. I would *LOVE* to see both sides wake up and start working from the union of their beliefs instead of the differences, but short of another World War (which may not be that far off anymore) I just can't see the political parties unifying for anything that is good for the American public (mass surveillance, compromising technological security/integrity, extended copyrights, drm, or other ways of fucking the collective good seem more up the bipartisan alley, ATM.)
You call for common sense (implied) and simultaneously blame republicans for everything bad. Perhaps you do not realize your own bias. Honestly, people like you are the problem in both parties. It's so easy to point out the faults of others, but never acknowledge your own. Democrat = Good, Republican = Bad...or vice versa.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but last time I checked there are kooks in both parties, and both parties are very beholden to "special interests." And sometimes those "special interests" are the same entity. And maybe, just maybe Trump is the right medicine for both parties and the media-at-large. After-all, they created the very conditions which gave rise to the polarization you see today. Also, please bear in mind, that I am not implicitly endorsing everything Trump does; I'm simply making a point.
Democrats believes patriotism is not racism, lmao!
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Leaving out the fact that they’ll never be able to properly serve most of the defendants, the key thing is if they get a judge inclined to stick to Second Circuit law, this complaint has to be dismissed. The days when you could file a thin Complaint just in the hopes of getting discovery are long over.
The Court has adopted widely a doctrine called “Iqbal/Twombly” which means that mere allegations of facts don’t cut it: there has to be enough factual foundation in the Complaint to make a plausible claim. Every “factual” allegation of consequence in this Complaint is unproven speculation. The Iqbal doctrine requires a complaint to allege facts that, if proven, would support the relief requested and to show that the alleged facts are “enough to raise a right to relief above the speculative level, on the assumption that all the allegations in the complaint are true (even if doubtful in fact).”
This case is more than a publicity stunt. It’s become clear even to the most ardent Trump haters that there’s simply no evidence of Russian “collusion” and the focus moved to Stormy Daniels. This is an effort to reanimate the “Russian collusion” narrative.
Of course, because it’s in a judicial pleading, any re-reporting on it is absolutely immune in libel, and its being filed at all is a news peg, so it’s pretty much Tom Perez’ gift to MSNBC and others, allowing them and others to re-tell the “Russia collusion” story as if it had more credibility.
"The fortune of complaint is such that it elicits contempt rather than pity."
I love watching all these traitor Trump Eunuchs just blowing up.
This lawsuit is a PERFECT idea to get these rat fucking traitors out. Then we are going to collect some heads, starting with Trump and that little mongol Putin.
They had it in for him.
Back in '08, it was a very heated race between Obama and Clinton. Then in the Summer, they had a meeting with the Democratic party bigshots. After the meeting, Clinton drops out and leave the field open for Obama.
Then low and behold she is Secretary of State - a position in the old days gave credibility to a Presidential Candidate.
What I think? They all made a deal that she backs out for Obama with the understanding that she would be THE candidate in '16.
Then Sanders came in spoiling everything. (It didn't help that he called himself a Democratic Socialist which "Socialism" is a dirty word in this country. And add in the fact that the Dems wanted a candidate that could win in the general and get the Independents and moderate Republicans who are dissatisfied with their party having gone batshit crazy.
Add in the Republicans primary system and we now have a crazy porn star prostitute fucking adulterer Evangelical Christian kook in the office of President.
Anyway, no matter how you slice it, the Dems totally fucked up and new leadership will be needed. The old guard has to go.
DNC thinks it can prove what Mueller couldn't so far. Frankly, the collusion conspiracy theory is getting so tiring. The Dems have gone insane and they will lose the White House again in 2020 because they can't seem to offer any new vision for the party.
When the DNC was broke, Hillary GAVE A HUGE CASH INFUSION, essentially BUYING THE DNC.
It's no wonder that the primaries and town halls, etc were all rigged.
Not sure if any party is likely to pay up but you go for it.
Why else would they be grabbing for these short straws?
I wonder if this lawsuit is intended to force Special Council Robert Mueller in some way. Perhaps they want to force him to speed things up because the Democratic party needs the investigation resolved one way or another before they plan their next race. The worst-case scenario for them would be to run Hillary on a platform of Trump-is-a-Russian-spy, then the investigation drops the case 48 hours before the election and the Democrats lose with egg all over their faces. Better to know the result, either way ASAP. Alternatively, maybe Mueller will be forced to step-in and ask the judge to stay the case until the investigation is completed, which would indirectly reveal some of what he has discovered (or not discovered). Or maybe they think they can leak something from the investigation early?
So why did they just start trying to influence elections in 2016?
The 2012 election would have been an excellent one to push a favorable person. You had them acting in Ukraine and would have wanted a President who did not to them for that? How about Syria they would have wanted a US President who would ignore their actions there? More importantly, they would have wanted a President who would ignore any intelligence agency knowledge that they were doing something.
So why did they wait until 2016 in order to try to get someone who would do all that?
This isn't about a stain on a blue dress.
Folks want to lock Clinton up for misusing State Department emails.
Trump's administration did the exact same thing and since they knew better, that's intent to commit a crime. But no screams of "lock them up!"
And there may be collusion with our President and a foreign power - a foreign power that wants to see our demise.
And you want everyone to move on because he won?
If this is what our country has become - our guy is in, so who cares how he got there! - then we don't deserve the freedoms we have.
Trump did look like the easiest candidate to beat.
I just said that is what the DNC thought. They, like so many other people, could not see what was plain - Trump was widely generally liked because of earlier TV efforts, but vastly more importantly than that Trump was well KNOWN before he was a candidate. That meant that pretty much no negative detail about Trump would have any effect, because people already "knew" who Trump was at a fundamental level. So they were pushing for a candidate immune to any negative publicity... does that seem smart to you?
The thing that really surprised me was that he managed to be nominated by the Republicans, I didn't think they were half that clever (and still do not, Trump basically made that happen against the will of the RNC. Good thing for Trump that will is something the RNC itself has pretty much none of).
Unfortunately, it turns out the American public actually *are* stark raving mad.
Given the choice between Hillary and Turmp America made the only rational choice, one based on past experience with Trump. As I said elsewhere Hillary is literally the only candidate Trump could have won against. That of course has changed now that Trump has a lot of credibility from actually being president, so he'll easily win re-election against any foreseeable Democrat.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Nothing here passes for public discourse.
Go home Slashdot. You are powned.
I'm a staunch libertarian and I would have taken Bernie over Hillary any day (IF those were my only two choices).
Now don't get me wrong: Bernie has 0 understanding of economics and would absolutely wreck the economy. But at least he would be more inclined to peace and would go after the Federal Reserve, unlike warmongering bankster Hillary.
We are witnessing the DNC (which is nearly bankrupt) cannibalize itself, which is truly comical. I only hope the RNC awaits the same fate.
The only Republican candidate Hillary could beat was Trump. The only way Trump could win is if he ran against Hillary. If the Republicans used a ranking system instead of a single votes system Trump would never had won the nomination. The larger the number of candidates the more distorted the voting system gets, as in the Republican primary. The first political party that switches to ranking candidates will dominate the general election..
Please point to where in that oh-so-small post pollarda says anything about Trump hiring the best. Feel free to take all the time you need.
Why get it from pollarda when you can go straight to the source?
I'll choose the best people for my administration.
Donald Trump, September 2016
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
They will drop the case as soon as anything damaging would come to the fore. What Russia needs to do is to work on its argument to the judge that he should not grant the Democrats' motion to dismiss.
My God, it's Full of Source!
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Everyone already knew Trump was a vulgar clown. We voted for him anyway as a rejection of the establishment. Clinton, the DNC and RNC are all desperate to maintain that establishment and will do/say anything to preserve it.
How's the weather in russia? good onion crop for the Borsch this year?
I swear to fuck.
These people need to all be committed.
They're insane.
Not just "mumbles to self" nuts.
Full on, completely delusional, multiple personality, chuck-manson-level derangement...
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THANK GOD!!!
The email to Junior explicitly stated that the Russians wanted to provide info damaging to Hillary as part of the Russian government's efforts to get Trump elected. Junior and Kushner arranged and attended this meeting. They later hid the meeting from the FBI investigation.
Knock the Democrats all you want (and I will too because it's fun), but doing so doesn't let the Trump campaign off the hook for their actions.
wow so many russians here today. it's unnerving actually.
There it is! I've been waiting for it. Here is Hillary's vast right wing conspiracy accusation, reborn from the ashes of a previous life.
Get over it
Is it because the investigation is still ongoing and when one is running an investigation like this one doesn't make an announcement every time they've found something?
I bet it's that.
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I truly hope justice comes for the ones that killed you because you showed how evil the DNC is.
Seriously.
No, it's not illegal for Trump to work with/through Wikileaks.
Nor is it illegal for him to talk to the Russians.
It isn't even illegal for the Russians to say something about the American elections. Or anything else, really.
And based on The Donald's actions since he got to be Pres, it's not like either the Russians or Wikileaks are controlling him. He seems to be the same old blustering nincompoop he's always been...
So, what's the point of suing? Other than, presumably, to influence voters leading up to the midterms. Which is no more or less illegal than what they're accusing the New, Improved, Axis of Evil (The Donald, Wikileaks, the Russkis) of doing....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Okay, yeah, sure. Literally every bit of evidence shows it was the DNC, FB peeps, and the Russians who worked together to try to defeat Trump, but that's a nice distraction. After all they've got to try to salvage something from their collusion disaster.
This will certainly be interesting, that's for sure.
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from the right wing Corporate Dems. They don't have any issues to run on for the Mid Terms so they're doing this. Seriously, besides maybe doing smaller tax cuts for the rich and not gutting Obamacare they've agreed on Trump on almost everything. This is to distract from actual left wing economic policies that people want, to wit: 1. Medicare for all.
2. End the Wars (8 and counting).
3. Fix out crumbling infrastructure and dangerous bridges.
4. A New New Deal.
5. College for All.
6. Legalize Marijuana.
Those are the issues 60%-80% of Americans want (depending on how you ask the question, e.g. if you ask "Do you think the government should guarantee every American healthcare" you get 80% if you ask "Would you support a Government takeover of the Healthcare industry" you get 60%).
But the Corporate Dems masters, the ones who buy them off with the legalized bribery of campaign contributions, don't want to pay for all of that. So we keep hearing about Russia and Stormy Daniels.
Meanwhile Trump's on track to cruise into a second term...
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They alledged Comey interfered, and demanded he be fired, when he was investigating Hillary’s email server being a national security threat. Or that the DNC and Hillary paid for the work of fiction known as the Trump Dossier, authored in part by Russian operatives under guidance from a former British spy? Or on more practical consideration that no proof has been shown of connections between “Russian collusion” and Trump? And intelligence agencies have repeatedly said there is no such evidence. Lots of smoke and mirrors, but it’s a photo of a dog and painting of the pony, so not even a good show...
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between Hilliary's campaign and the 95 media stars who attended dinners and drinks on April 9th & 10th to discuss how they were going to report her campaign and candidacy, and probably how to disparage the Republican candidate.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-...
And we sure saw the results. Fortunately for US she lost, but she is still campaigning and the media is still her, and the DNC's, sock puppet. Attendance was so small at her rallies the media constantly cropped their photos of those events to avoid revealing the dismal numbers, but other photos of those events were taken and released by attendees and observers, and yet they claim she "won" the popular vote. LOL! Now, we are finding out that "popular" vote included a lot of non-citizens and voters voting more than once. Some precincts had more voters than the population of the precinct!
Should I mention the collusion between Hillary and the news reporters who moderated those town hall meetings and other public forums? How cute that an adolescent girl with a red ribbon in her hair has am "unexpected" complex question to ask Hillary and Hillary has a perfectly prepared answer. Or that Donna Brazile finally admitted that she had passed questions to Hillary before one interview on CNN. Then later reveals that she "found proof" that the DNC rigged the convention election". Surprise, surprise. What she meant was the super delegates, a scheme by Hillary to guarantee that regardless of how local precincts voted the super delegates were going to vote for her. AND, it gave Hillary a way to bypass local election laws and funding limits, putting those monies directly into her coffers and, most likely, her Foundation, which turned out to be her, Bill's and Chelsey's personal ATM, with sending nothing to Haiti after claiming to have sent millions.
After her not so stellar performance as Sec of State, during which she colluded with Russia to transfer some of our U235 stocks to Russia in exchange for "donations" to the Clinton Foundation and $500,000 to Bill for a "speech" in Moscow -- the pay to play scheme designed to enrich her, Bill and their "Foundation", along with bones thrown to the DNC.
Go ahead, DNC, continue the suit. It will be great to get this information exposed in open court, under oath, and with cross examination of subpoenaed witnesses from the DNC and Democrats as well.
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And if Hillary hadn't devised the "super delegates" scheme to steal the convention votes, and state monies for her own campaign, Bernie would have won and run against Trump. Not that Bernie would have won, but at least he would have won the Democrat nomination as fairly as Democrats can run elections.
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Hey, anyone read the actual complaint? Check out "Count VI" (around page 49). If you're playing the drinking game, here's where you have to chug.
Plaintiff's computers contained information subject to copyright (campaign strategy and opposition research). They were protected by technological measures (passwords). The technological measures were circumvented (passwords were stolen) without authorization. Ergo: DMCA violation.
People, please remember: if you don't grant and protect copyright for political parties (and religions; you'll see why I bring them up, below) on their campaign strategy documents and opposition research, they won't have incentive to create those strategies and opposition research! You copyright-violating DNC-hackers are retarding the progress of science and useful arts!
And stealing passwords is cracking DRM!
It get better: accessing this stuff "caused significant damages" in "loss in the value of DNC trade secrets." I am not making this up; I am quoting the fucking document. They actually said that.
Trade Secrets. You just brought back 1990s memories of Scientology-vs-the-Internet.
DNC Trade Secrets. [fume] Because, let's just all remind ourselves of the big picture here: we want government to treat political parties' trade secrets as a legitimate thing, because that's good for us as a country, right?
Great going, Democrats: you reminded me of Scientologists, used one of the stupidest and evilest laws that America has (DMCA), and you abuse copyright too. So while we all agree that we hate Trump, thanks for reminding me that any conscientious person should hate you too.
Americans, please for fuck's sake stop voting for these parties.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
It is interesting, but all it says is that some random group tried to spearphish a lot of people, it's not very clear why they assume the campaigns are the same, and it repeats this APT stuff without providing anything linking this to that group whatsoever. I mean, if you say it has fingerprints on it, it's kind of incumbent for you to actually show the fingerprints! Oh, you say it relies on past identifications by other groups, but those were also problematic to begin with and roundly criticized! And yes, I've been reading them all since the very start.
At least CrowdStrike had the decency to list the identifiers they relied upon, though those were some things like "used a freeware program called P.A.S." and a big list of IPs associated with them that were mostly Tor exit nodes... which they inexplicably failed to identify as such. Isn't that kind of important? It's not like Tor is widely abused for this sort of thing or anything.
But at this point it's become clear that this is a citogenesis operation to support a media campaign, not an investigation by people interested in figuring out what we actually know. Of course there a links to Russia. And Taiwan. And the USA. And China. Almost all hacks use VPNs and such to abuse other jurisdictions to complicate the process of prosecuting the hackers. Tell us something we don't know! Russia, China & the USA have been very high on the list of countries that hack attempts come from for as long as people have been tracking such things. Go look at all the people wanting to block China from logging into SSH because they're sick of constant auth failure spam.
Anyhow, I now await the usual attempt to get people distracted from all the points raised above by appealing to xenophobia.
because Trump really, really wants a war and NK seems to have backed down as a result (though I don't think they're really going to give up their nukes, they learned the lesson we taught Saddam & Gaddafi).
Trump had nothing to do with the economy or Isis. That was Obama, and if he'd had a left wing Congress (and no, I don't mean a bunch of right wing Dems) he could have done more. Trump has deregulated Wallstreet (with the help of those right wing Dems). That's going to blow up in our faces just in time for a Democrat to take charge, clean up the mess and get blamed for it. Like it always happens. Please, please pick up on this pattern and don't fall for it again. I'm tired of rebuilding my life every 10 years when right wing politicians tank the world economy, aren't you?
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off the hook
There is no hook. The hook you imagine is a figment of your fevered imagination. Trump isn't leaving office for another six years. Just so you know.
so long as she doesn't make it to general. She'd take the heat off real candidates while making those same candidates step up their game. That's exactly why the Republicans have so many challengers. Meanwhile she spent the last 8 years making sure nobody could oppose her in the 2016 primary which has decimated the Democratic party. She basically shut down anyone like Obama who could have opposed her.
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because that's what the Democratic voters overwhelmingly want. Hilary is a right winger on everything but a few social issues. She can't take responsibility without changing her politics. And she's so wealthy at this point that she's completely out of touch with working class Americans. It's like that old Mitt Romney joke: Why can't the Poor Just Buy More Money? She doesn't get it and never will.
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Mueller is. And Mueller doesn't strike me as the type to leak.
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if she didn't campaign. She lost because she didn't campaign in the Rust belt. She took them for granted and they punished her for it. That said, if she'd have had a more traditional challenger she probably would have taken them seriously and campaigned. She had a billion dollars and by all accounts 5 firms with close ties to her took $700 million to do basically nothing. She got Romney'd and like Romney everybody thought it wouldn't matter because they'd cruise to an easy victory...
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Even if this is true, which after a year and nearly another half nothing has come of it what crime are they claiming has been violated? Oh, none. That's not what a civil suit is about. Then what? They want money for doing what Barrack "Wait until I'm reelected (mister putin) then we can really screw America" did? or for Hillary (I stand by my husband the rapist) Clinton have done?
Neutral except for dissuading dozens of potential candidates from running in the first place... Hey America, you can have your phony Democratic primary election as long as you pick our candidate (or that crazy guy who isn't even really in our party.... oh shit you really want that old crazy guy from Vermont over Hillary. Let's rig this thing
The Democrats considered Donald Trump a "pied piper" candidate and tried to *cause* the very same problem you think they solved with superdelegates in the Republican party - https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428 - that is to try to give the Republicans an "unelectable" candidate. So it really calls into question whether "win at any cost" is a better goal than "uphold democratic ideals no matter what."
You might have felt "mugged" by Reagan, but your supposed robber doesn't actually use superdelegates. And your superdelegates caused your loss. And if that wasn't enough, you also failed in large part due to your own attempt to use the lack of superdelegates against the Republicans with the Pied Piper strategy!
The thesis that you need these to win flies in the face of a lot of evidence showing that this anti-democratic institution actually caused the Democratic loss.
How is this marked insightful. Gee the partisan blinkers are strong. Does anyone seriously believe that the economy turns on a dime when a new president takes over, like it's some sort of sports car? Professional economists are still arguing about the causes and properties of the business cycle, but all ye partisan hacks have all the answers. Perhaps you should publish some journal papers that explain what professionals have been missing in over a century of academic discourse on the issue.
And and idiot could have guessed that ISIS would continue to lose territory in the Levant. Heck, if America were to put boos on the ground, it would have taken weeks, but the previous administration let local coalitions take care of the situation in a slow grind that took years. Isn't that want the American public wanted? Or are you just impressed that the endgame occurred when your favorite politician was in the white house. You know, 'cause you're so smart.
And North Korea is _NOT_ on the verge of denuclearizing. They're just saying their not doing more tests. And North Korea has a long history of saying one thing, and doing another. They were on the verge of abandoning their nuclear program in the 90s too, but it turns out that they were just playing everyone for fools.
And who cares if they're stopping nuclear tests: they already have working nukes. The USA doesn't do nuclear tests either, but that doesn't mean the USA isn't a nuclear power, or on the verge of denuclearizing.
Serious fantasy land.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
And it's going nowhere. They conspired to suppress my rights as a US citizen, and I state that as someone who did not vote.
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4) Distribute inquiry evidence into the DNC through discovery to protect it from burial if/when Mueller is replaced by a Trump insider who shuts down the investigation.
You do realize, don't you, that this is a civil suit and has nothing to do with legal or illegal?
ORLY?
From the viewpoint of the Liberty Caucus, the ones resigning are the problem, not some ethical, backbone-unimpaired, heroes of political sanity.
Getting them to resign ahead of the primaries and leave the voters with the choice of their successors, rather than getting the voters to kick them out at great expense and get stuck with some maybe-better-than-the-devil-you-know alternative whose only tested qualification is that he can win the primary (as the Rs got stuck with Trump), is keeping the R side of the "Drain the Swamp" campaign promise.
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ORLY?
From the viewpoint of the Liberty Caucus, the ones resigning are the problem, not some ethical, backbone-unimpaired, heroes of political sanity.
Getting them to resign ahead of the primaries and leave the voters with the choice of their successors, rather than getting the voters to kick them out at great expense and get stuck with some maybe-better-than-the-devil-you-know alternative whose only tested qualification is that he can win the primary (as the Rs got stuck with Trump), is keeping the R side of the "Drain the Swamp" campaign promise.
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In the 2016 primary season, the only two Republican candidates I thought would have the testicular fortitude to actually challenge Hillary were Cruz and Trump. The rest would have run the typical establisment Republican plan of honorably losing (as in McCain 2008 and Romney 2012) - the press would have attacked them for ANY negative thing they said or did toward Hillary, the female candidate, and they would have cowered in fear of being labelled as mysogenists. She would have easliy walked all over any of them. I figured Cruz would have had the guts and resolve to take the fight to Hillary, but he has a mean-kid personae baked-in that would have made him repulsive to most general election voters. As a result, I figured Trump was the only chance the GOP had to beat Hillary but I was certain the GOP establishment would successfully steal the primaries away from him and he'd never get the chance to be on the November ballot.
I personally found the 2016 election cycle rather breathtakingly positive; One does not need to like Trump or his policies to see some rather wonderful things about his win:
1. The Republican party big-wigs are clearly as incompetent at rigging their primaries as they are at getting their candidates to keep campaign promises - it turns out the voters DO have a voice, non-groomed anti-establishment candidates CAN win, and campaign dollars DO NOT win. Happily we have proof that we do not need to be 100% cynical about our political system yet.
2. The establishment (Republicans in DC, Democrats in DC, and the permanent governing class of career government bureaucrats, lawyers, pundits and journalists in the beltway) are completely freaked-out to the point of self-immolation by the Trump victory. This too is a triumph for the voters and average folks in "fly over country". It's clear that none of these elites who are going insane were prepared for Trump to win and now they seem to be scurrying for cover like cockroaches in the kitchen. Consultants who used to get rich selling their acts to politicians have been outed as no-so-necessary or brilliant. Pundits are being exposed as hacks with no great insight. Reporters are being exposed as partisans who more frequently shovel opinion and even outright lies over actual who-what-when-where FACTS. Supposedly neutral government bureaucrats are being exposed as treasonous partisan hacks who abused their positions and authority to tryd to steal an election from the voters. Their machinations to block Trump are starting to backfire and some of them seem likely to end up as criminal defendants in court. None of this "swamp draining" was expected in DC and none would have happened had ANY other candidate won.
The funny thing is that Democrats and even the "Never Trumper" Republicans all ganged-up to label Trump "worse than Hitler" for well over a year and he still managed to win. Now all the guy needs to win re-election is a reasonably good economy (and Obama set the bar here to a historically-low level with his abysmal growth record), a reasonably peaceful world (Obama and Bush set the bar very low here with what will have been nearly 20 years of unfinished war by then), and a simple lack of American death camps (Remember: the bar here is set to Auschwitsz levels - something ANY non-Hitler can easily clear).
If Trump gets re-elected in 2020, it may well finally smack some sense into political hacks - they might learn that trashing an opponent as Hitler-like or worse than Hitler is a terrible idea on many levels not only for its basic moral blindness but because it makes that opponent bullet proof if he/she does not live down to the label. 2020 could well become the year that the Hitler insult in politics, applied to any non-Hitler, finally jumps the shark.
The Democrats will get NOTHING from the Russians or Wikileaks because both are outside of US jurisdiction, and they've already gotten everything out of Trump and all his allies and friends via the Meuller investigation (which is stocked with Hillary and Obama supporter lawyers and which has leaked every single anti-Trump thing it could in the most anti-Trump light possible). If there were any items that were going to hurt Trump, they would have been leaked long ago but all we have are alleged consensual sex with a pornstar and a Playboy bunny over a decade ago.
Trump's side, on the other hand, will have a field day and the Democrats could very well end up regretting this more than anything else they have been associated with in the decades since they started the KKK.
The Democrat "hacked servers" will become evidence. The DNC and Hillary campaigns laundering campaign cash through a law firm to a British spy to buy anti-Trump propaganda from Russians will be on full-display. The financial ties between the Clinton foundation (and ALL it contributors, particularly the foreign ones), Putin's oligarchs, The Podesta Group, etc will be fair game. All the interactions between the US press corps, US intelligence agencies, the IRS, the DOJ, the FBI and the Hillary campaign and DNC and Obama himself will become discoverable. The rabbit hole will be bottomless and the Republican party will get more dirt on the Democrats than ever possible without this lawsuit.
The best thing on Earth for the Democrats will be if this lawsuit lands on the desk of a very partisan Democrat judge and that judge throws it out as frivolous. The alternative is that the Democrats will pay a MASSIVE political and PR price that may scar them for decades, all so that Hillary and her inner-circle of insanity can keep claiming somebody else is to blame for her massive failure.
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Trump is lite a literal embodiment of proof there is fate or some higher power at work.
Yes, Satan..
Sweden's women are into something bigger (dick) vs. no balls eunuchs there like you that let 'em get raped by muslims Zontar!
The DNC is suing the Trump campaign because Trumps Russians were better than Hillarys.
Just to be clear, the Hillary campaign is suing because alleged Russian collusion limited them to 'only' raising $1.2BN compared with trumps $697M?
The DNC is suing because their emails, which have never been proven to be tampered or forged, were released to the public, embarrassing the democrats?
To sum up, democrats felt out-raising their opponent 2:1 and their internal communications being exposed cost them the election...
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I've been in treatment for depression by Zontar The Mindless Friday April 04, 2014 @01:11AM (#46658165) that's what happens when you are a SOYBOY like you https://www.youtube.com/watch?... whose symptoms you clearly have in DEPRESSION, bitch tits, no dick and certainly no balls as you sweeties from Sweden let your girls get raped by muslims because you are "NOT MEN".
I know Zontar personally. He's an advanced case! A syringe full of soymilk he intraveinously injects. He tried smoking it when drinking it was insufficient for a dose of estrogen mimicking soy products have for shrinking his nuts into raisins but he couldn't pull that one off on smoking it so the needle it was! It made him so MUCH of a not man pseudo woman like all his Swedish countrymen that their girls get raped by muslims and they, like the soyboys they are in advanced stages, do nothing and they secretly desire the schlongs of the muslim up their asses. Natural reaction for these limpdick freaks as they are becoming women themselves of course. With all that in mind, can you blame the beautiful swede women for not wanting the native swede soyboys? I don't.
Zontar's expert at seeing beautiful swedish women get raped by muslims, doing nothing about it, and getting UBI welfare!
Wow, would it be a little to ask for most of you to use a brain cell before it dies and understand one thing, what you think and what the facts are is reality. Try to stick with that.
Globalization: the international spread and connectedness of technology, business, and communication = good
Globalism: the centralization of political, media, industrial and academic control into the hands of international elites = bad
Is surprisingly strong on slashdot.
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You seem to forget that Jeb Bush ran, perhaps willfully.
Why does that matter? He would for sure have lost to Clinton.
But the winner of Jeb vs Hillary would have been irrelevant to me; unlike all of the other people who claimed to want to leave when Trump was elected, if we faced an election between another Bush and Clinton I would have moved to New Zealand long before the election was over. It would have been the final sign any sign of Democracy was over and we were back to Royal Rule.
So actually it would have gone very well for me indeed; New Zealand seems like an awesome place to live.
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For those claiming this is absurd, keep in mind that the DNC also sued Nixonâ(TM)s re-election campaign after the Watergate break in. Everyone said it was a crazy political ploy, but we know how that turned out (the DNC was awarded $775,000 in damages after the truth came out).
This last election, we were treated to the incompetence of the DNC and the rampant corruption inside the DNC.
The increased acceleration of arrogance and hostility of Democrats demanding my vote, as opposed to actually earning it by discussing issues, it all speaks loudly for itself.
Corporate Democrats are functionally no different than Republicans, and supporting the Democrats ongoing, rampant corruption and greed is a hypocrisy I can no longer tolerate.
Yes, the Republicans are shitbags, clearly. And the Democrats are lying corporate apologist shitheads. We are fucked so long as we keep falling for these idiots horse shit and lies and warmongering.
Warmonger Democrats are not my friends, sincerely with all my heart, fuck you idiot, lying, warmongering Democrats.
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Cheated it's ass off to prevent their shoe-in candidate from losing to Bernie Sanders by:
* Providing questions to Hillary Clinton prior to debates.
* Colluding with media, such as Huffington Post, to essentially print article after article to support Hillary (also known as illegal unreported campaign contribution).
* Magically tossed 6 coins and had them all come up in favor of Hillary Clinton.
* Party famed for leaving dead people on it's voting rolls, so they can keep voting, suddenly without any explanation, has hundreds of thousands of voters purged from its records....primarily in pro-Bernie Sanders areas.
* Young Millenial who seems to voice some objections, found robbed and murdered, except he was left with his wallet and all his valuables.
* Delegates for Bernie Sanders who won fairly per the rules, were prohibited from attending or had their credentials given to others.
* Numerous DNC reps on the take for Hillary
* DNC/Hillary colluded in fundraising, allowing Hillary's fundraising to benefit the DNC in exchange for internal support
* Superdelegates sold before the race even began
And so many more acts...
Yet the media is silent, endeavoring to blame HRC loss on Russian's and Trump colluding. It's all a red herring to keep folks distracted from the real cheating that transpired.