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California High Schooler Changes Grades After Phishing Teachers, Gets 14 Felonies for His Efforts (gizmodo.com)

Police in Concord, California arrested a teenager earlier this week and charged him 14 felony counts after discovering the high schooler launched a phishing campaign directed at teachers in order to steal their passwords and change grades. From a report: The 16-year-old student, whose name was not released because he's a minor, was arrested Wednesday following an investigation launched by local law enforcement, with assistance from a Contra Costa County task force and the US Secret Service, KTVU reported. Reports of the hack first started to trickle into police two weeks ago, when teachers in the Mount Diablo Unified School District started receiving suspicious emails in their inbox. As it turns out, they were part of a phishing attempt launched by the student. The email messages contained a link that sent the recipients to a fake website constructed by the student to look like the school's portal. If a teacher clicked on the link, they were directed to the site that would prompt them to enter their username and password. The site would record any information entered, allowing the student to hijack the teacher's account.

343 comments

  1. Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sometimes the legal system gets it right... but still rather lenient in my view.

    1. Re:Serves them right by BeauHD+(5) · · Score: 0

      Not really, the kid was smart enough to good grades and chose a life of crime instead. What is worse, ruining his life by proscecuting him or instead sweeping it under the rug and giving him detention (where you have to go to school Saturday school and Sunday school) instead of ruining his life. So once the collages see what he was doing, he will have brains and no way to use them except in crime.

      It is kind of a paradigm what is worse but I am not the judge and jury.

      Please type in the response box below what YOU think should happen to this troubled child

    2. Re:Serves them right by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But if anyone who's likely to be called to jury duty on the case is reading this, some advice:

      nullify.
      Nullify.
      NULLIFY.

      Not that it's likely to get that far in a juvie case, but still ... remember that it's always your right to judge the law as well as the case.

    3. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know it was even possible to legitimately get good grades?

      "Mount Diablo Unified School District"

      He was clearly going through hell.

      If school is so messed up that hacking seems easy...it doesn't seem fair to flunk people who are clearly smarter than what public school is intended for. If this guy had spent all his time doing schoolwork he would not have had those real skills, he would just be another kid who passed geography but doesn't know what a continent is.

    4. Re:Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm really tempted to wear an "Uryjay Ullificationay" T-Shirt to jury selection, but I don't want to spend time in jail for contempt of court. :(

    5. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lawyers would buy you a coffee and send you home long before selection began. Could be worth a laugh.

    6. Re:Serves them right by lsllll · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Uryjay Ullificationay"

      lol. I had to look that up on Google and realized what it was when Google asked me if I meant "Jury Nullification"!

      --
      Is that a roll of dimes in your pocket or are you happy to see me?
    7. Re: Serves them right by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Mount Diablo Unified School District"

      He was clearly going through hell.

      Completely off topic trivia: From the summit of Mt Diablo (Devil's Peak) in Concord CA, you can see more of the earth's surface than anyplace else on earth with the sole exception of the summit of Mt Kilimanjaro. Like Kilimanjaro, Mt Diablo is an isolated peak, surrounded by vast flat surfaces (California's Central Valley to the East, and San Francisco Bay and the Pacific Ocean to the West). You can see roughly 80,000 sq miles on a clear day.

    8. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Urban legend, not true.

    9. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news, Shanghai bill is a clueless faggot who makes shit up constantly, then uses his other accounts to thumb himself up because like Trump, his self worth is paper thin as he cries out for self approval.

    10. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And his self-worth is so "paper thin" that he was elected President...

      ... Hey, uhhh, wait a second! ??

    11. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is true, didnt you read what he typed? Its right there plain as day. Read it again and you will see that it is true!

    12. Re:Serves them right by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No kidding. 14 felonies for this? As a teenager, I too phished my teacher (and much of my class) successfully for their passwords by making a mock DOS prompt that mimicked basic commands and the login program. To be fair, I didn't do anything "evil" with it - as part of my final project, I actually encoded the teacher's username and password into stereogram with a generator that I wrote ;) She found it amusing. I'm sure she wouldn't have found it so amusing if I had been in there changing grades or whatnot. But 14 felones for a teenager acting up is just insane.

      I'll consider these charges fair when they start charging high school bullies who beat up other students with 14 counts of assault.

      --
      "WANTED: Sinking ship seeks rats."
    13. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And can't stop bringing it up at every turn? Yeah, that's totally a sign of high self worth.

    14. Re:Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad I grew up when I did.
      We used to go into the computer labs and on the surrounding machines press the spacebar.
      They all had a customised novell login prompt and people would just type username password
      But with a long enough gap to visually capture both when it errored since you'd be sitting right next to them.
      Then you'd pop off to another lab.
      Would harvest creds hourly for using downloading warez and hitting the external traffic limit. Then copying them out to zip disks.
      This in the good old days of dialup at home.

      Turns out I'm a cyber criminal with a history of pishing.
      And my kids think I'm boring.

    15. Re: Serves them right by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      How do you know it was even possible to legitimately get good grades?

      "Mount Diablo Unified School District"

      He was clearly going through hell.

      If school is so messed up that hacking seems easy...it doesn't seem fair to flunk people who are clearly smarter than what public school is intended for. If this guy had spent all his time doing schoolwork he would not have had those real skills, he would just be another kid who passed geography but doesn't know what a continent is.

      You mean a good little dumb cunt that will go get a shit job for low pay and not complain? That's what they're trying to churn out en masse.

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    16. Re:Serves them right by Rei · · Score: 1

      Ah, the good 'ol days :) I also did a couple cases of software cracking, although I never distributed my cracks. I think one was Framsticks, because I was a giant nerd. Just the old fashioned stuff - look for known strings in the disassembly, look for where they're referenced, and start randomly messing with all the jump statements in the vicinity until the registration code breaks and lets you past ;)

      Now we're just boring adults reminiscing. How did we become our parents? :

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      "WANTED: Sinking ship seeks rats."
    17. Re: Serves them right by Rei · · Score: 1

      sudo adjust reality so that from the summit of Mt. Diablo you can see more of the Earth's surface than any place else on Earth with the sole exception of Mt Kilimanjaro.

      --
      "WANTED: Sinking ship seeks rats."
    18. Re:Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep.

      I was a die hard hacker and pirate of software. I had tens of thousands of floppy disks for C64, Amiga, and PC. Breaking into other systems and using war dialers was great fun.

      Then government started treating simple pranks as if they were murder cases (Felonies).

      That is the mark of a tyranny if I ever saw one.

    19. Re:Serves them right by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Funny

      I didn't do anything "evil" with it

      So you only committed 13 felonies?

    20. Re:Serves them right by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

      Ah the glorious NOP opcode 0x90. Back in the day I knew assembly just about as well as C.

    21. Re:Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll consider these charges fair when they start charging high school bullies who beat up other students with 14 counts of assault.

      Maybe we can make it go the other way, "Nerds will be nerds", and be done with it!

    22. Re:Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was in ~middle school I had bought one of those PS2 (before the USB days) hardware keyloggers that you put between the keyboard and the computer. I had pretty much every teacher&students password by the end of the month. Never did anything nefarious with it though, never changed any grades. I think the closest I came to that was once finding a copy of an upcoming test we were about to take and distributing it to my classmates so we could study it and be prepared. I guess I wasn't very creative, probably could have had a lot more fun.

    23. Re:Serves them right by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Surprises me that Google doesn't have a full built in pig Latin translator, just the auto correct?

    24. Re:Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK...sure, Grammar Nazi...but that is possibly the most fucked up post, grammatically speaking, I've read here in a looong time.

      Seriously, that little red squiggle under a word means that if you right click it, it will replace your atrociously misspelled word with the correct spelling.

    25. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rei is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.

    26. Re:Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THIS is the problem.

      Fucking assholes like you who believe hacking someone's shit is fun, amusing, acting out, etc.

      I suppose if a neighbor leaves their window open, you crawl right in a rummage through their shit, eh?

      Where the fuck did this kid get the idea that doing this was NOT intolerable and a crime?

      From assholes like you, maybe?

    27. Re:Serves them right by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      But 14 felones for a teenager acting up is just insane.

      I'll consider these charges fair when they start charging high school bullies who beat up other students with 14 counts of assault.

      Yes, high school teachers are by and large pretty stupid.

      I suspect those felonies will be reduced to misdemeanors. But there still needs t be punishment.

      On the other hand, are their no repercussions for the dumbasses that supplied their passwords? I could get in heap trouble at work for handing out my passwords to anyone.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    28. Re:Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I grew up in a fairly rough junior high school and high school. Bringing a cool game meant someone would grab it out of the drive and run off, so if one had anything new, you would almost certainly get mugged for it.

      The one thing that made software cracking easy in the Apple ][ days was a special hardware card that had a button on it. Hit it, it did a NMI to the CPU, and you could then write everything from RAM to a floppy disk. This way, a lot of copy-protection systems were easily bypassed, such as Ultima III's. Couple this with the fact that at the time, you had two extra tracks on Apple ][ floppies that were not used. So, when making my gaming disks, I'd store the code that decrypted and loaded the RAM image on those two disks, and have it prompt for a password before loading the game. If someone grabbed the disk and tried to it, the two last tracks were not copied, and the disk would start beeping, with a message saying the game was pirated, and the SPA and FBI have been notified. While that message was on the screen, it would hit do a JMP to $A54F, zeroing out the disk. If the right password was not entered, the disk would prompt again for password #2, and #3, then quietly zero out the last two sectors, rendering the thing unusable. Control-reset was patched to just reboot completely, and control-c was disabled. I rearranged the track pattern slightly to make it unreadable from conventional Apple DOS/ProDOS (by patching out the OS looking for "D5AAAD" at the end of the sector, and writing my own stuff in that space.)

      The result was, I could enjoy what warez I made and traded, and had my own copy-protection more sophisticated than what was out there, ensuring that if I made a copy of a game, there would only be one copy made of that game, and it wouldn't spread. Never had issues with theft either because of the self-destruction I put in place.

      These days, it would be extremely primitive, but it did do a good job at the time, and because I had two sectors more space to store code than other disks, while Locksmith and Copy ][+ only copied one additional sector unless manually told to, I actually had truly uncopyable disks at the time.

    29. Re:Serves them right by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Why?

      You want it to be legal for people to access any computer system, irrespective of its owner's wishes or authority? You don't think that might cause some problems?

    30. Re:Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crimes aren't pranks. Blame your parents for not teaching you right from wrong. Or better still, own up, take responsibility for yourself.

    31. Re:Serves them right by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 0

      Found the cop-hugging pigfucker.

    32. Re:Serves them right by sycodon · · Score: 1

      "cop-hugging pigfucker"

      I am always amused by people with this attitude who then usually end up calling these very same individuals when things go sideways.

      Our society is largely built on a single premise...don't mess with other people's shit. The majority of problems we have involve people trying to take or taking other people's shit whether electronically, legally, while you aren't home, or just bashing you on the head and taking it.

      So, no, crimes aren't pranks. And that simple "fun" has cost people time and money. You took their shit for a laugh.

      --
      When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
    33. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing shows he was smart enough to get good grades, he wasn't even smart enough to use a vpn or tor. Not that this is a substitute for learning the materials from the class anyway. Guy was dumb and they should throw the book at him, only way he'll learn .

    34. Re:Serves them right by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      This probably didn't cause any more inconvenience than the average college prank. Things like reassembling a car in a library, moving a professor's office to another floor, turning the MIT dome into a giant breast, or putting a piece of dating software onto a campus email system (in the UNIX shell days, the software kept a list of male and female students and would send random "write" messages or "ytalk" requests between them). So it should be treated as such - clean the results up, and some detention, since it's high school, not college.

    35. Re:Serves them right by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      I suspect those felonies will be reduced to misdemeanors.

      Nope. Unfortunately for this teen, he's in a load of pig shit right now. Of course there's always the possibility of a plea bargain, first offense defense etc.

      --
      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
    36. Re:Serves them right by sycodon · · Score: 1

      And what is the larger lesson?

      It's OK to break the law if (insert benevolent reason here)?

      Tell us all how much is too much. How far is too far?

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      When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
    37. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he chose to cheat then he must suffer the consequences. He should not be treated differently just because he "was smart enough to pull it off".

    38. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thx for this ... I've been meaning to get over to Mt Diablo for probably 6 months but never end up doing it ... gonna make sure it happens now!

    39. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You figure it out on a case by case basis. But most tight arses donâ(TM)t like gray areas. And thatâ(TM)s what you come acrossed as.

    40. Re:Serves them right by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Not really, the kid was smart enough to good grades and chose a life of crime instead. What is worse, ruining his life by proscecuting him or instead sweeping it under the rug and giving him detention (where you have to go to school Saturday school and Sunday school) instead of ruining his life. So once the collages see what he was doing, he will have brains and no way to use them except in crime.

      Since when does phishing mean someone is some sort of smart hacker? He didn't exhibit any technical prowess beyond some minor social engineering; and teh proceeded to simply log on to the schools grading system. Per TFA, he also lowered some students grades, which, if you want to propose alternative punishment, would be a good case for some simple locker room justice. In addition, teachers there would have to recheck all the grades just to be sure tehy are correct. The only skill he demonstrated was that he could be a real PITA as well as being stupid.

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    41. Re:Serves them right by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      But if anyone who's likely to be called to jury duty on the case is reading this, some advice:

      nullify. Nullify. NULLIFY.

      Not that it's likely to get that far in a juvie case, but still ... remember that it's always your right to judge the law as well as the case.

      Yes, in the US SCOTUS affirmed that right; but most judges will not inform the jury of that high and instruct them their duty is to decide on the facts presented; and if a lawyer brought it up the judge would no doubt be upset. The beauty (and danger) of nullification is there is no remedy to change the outcome, whether it is a desirable one in terms of justice or one that results in a miscarriage of justice. In some states, the state constitution specifically gives juries the right to decide the law as well. A quick Google search revealed a case http://www.peachtreenorml.org/... of nullification and the state's constitution state's In criminal cases, the defendant shall have a public and speedy trial by an impartial jury; and the jury shall be the judges of the law and the facts.

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    42. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This claim has been refuted (see discourse at https://msu.edu/~ashton/classes/428/labs/lab13/about_diablo.pdf ) but it does have an incredible viewing area for such a low-elevation peak (~3850 feet.)

    43. Re: Serves them right by gosand · · Score: 1

      "Mount Diablo Unified School District"

      He was clearly going through hell.

      Completely off topic trivia: From the summit of Mt Diablo (Devil's Peak) in Concord CA, you can see more of the earth's surface than anyplace else on earth with the sole exception of the summit of Mt Kilimanjaro. Like Kilimanjaro, Mt Diablo is an isolated peak, surrounded by vast flat surfaces (California's Central Valley to the East, and San Francisco Bay and the Pacific Ocean to the West). You can see roughly 80,000 sq miles on a clear day.

      Why don't you see 80,000 sq miles of ROUNDED surfaces?! Explain that one round-earther!

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    44. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am the most contemptuous of court. I told a criminal jury I won't participate in sending someone to prison and they dismissed me immediately.

    45. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No that only happens with bullies. Kid got beat up by the known bully(ies)? Usual reaction? âoeAh kids are kids and nerds will always be beaten up just like in my good old days.â

      Just think about it. Need gets beat up, from the hospital room retaliates by changing their grades to all Fs. What would happen? 14 felonies for the nerd and detention for the bully at best?

      BS

    46. Re:Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... no. Fucker phished his teachers and changed his grades, sounds guilty-as-fuck to me.

    47. Re: Serves them right by sycodon · · Score: 1

      How can you figure anything out without guidelines?

      You are full of shit.

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      When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
    48. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright infringment != Theft. Very separate legal precidents. Why not read up on this topic?

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright_law

    49. Re: Serves them right by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      That’s just alien nonsense.

    50. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, coming from you. You think it's ok to shoot someone with a gun because they might be a "thug" and harm you. You Actively carry around a killing machine with you because you are scared of thugs. You have stated you think it's ok for a cop to shoot an unarmed man. As long as he "fears for his life"

      You have also stated that you think it's ok for a 6 year old to use a gun. As long as he's taught properly. You think it's fine for a fucking child to carry and use a gun. Your logic is fucked. So sorry if I don't give a shit about what you say. You are a tool.

      You actively support cops and never see them in the wrong. You side with police on everything. You have no free will. You think and do what they want you to do.

      Your morals are fucked. You are fucked. Your gun can't protect you. You will get raped by thugs, have your gun stolen, then your computer hacked.

      YOU are not a nerd. You are not a geek. The more I read what you write the more I realize you do not belong on this site.

      So let's recap:

      1) needs a gun to feel like a man
      2) needs cops in his life to feel safe
      3) doesn't care that police breaks laws, because hey, they shouldn't have to follow our laws.
      4) thinks a 16 year old KID should be hit with 14 felonies accounts and have his life ruined for fucking with a computer system that hurt nobody.
      5) you think it's ok for a cop to shoot anybody for any reason as long as they "fear for their life".

      Yea, I see a pattern here. You are a special snowflake whom Can't protect himself, and has a raging hard on for the police.

      Fuck off, you aren't a nerd, you are a fucking boot licker.

      Why are you posting on slashdot anyway? Shouldn't you be posted pics of your daughter and son with their guns on the guns and ammo forum?

      Guns: making men with small dicks feel like men again. Since the 1900s.

    51. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I changed my grades in math class before this bullshit was invented.

    52. Re:Serves them right by Creepy · · Score: 1

      They may not even be punished or get a slap on the wrist. I knew a kid that was busted for piracy but because he was a minor and all they did was confiscate his computer and software, some of which were later returned. Then again, that was the Secret Service since piracy is considered a financial crime (yep, the same apes that protect the president had jurisdiction) and he wasn't making any money from it, just cracking and distributing.

    53. Re:Serves them right by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      These are charges. He committed crimes, maliciously, with these stolen credentials. Presumably 14 of them. Wait for the sentencing to see if they go to far.

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    54. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't a felony to cheat on a test.

    55. Re:Serves them right by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      This is the same as it was before, though lots of confused slashdotters think it is something different.

      In the United States, criminal charges that you receive as minor are routinely expunged from the record if you stay out of trouble. If you're 21 or something and you finished all your punishments, and you didn't get any new felonies after you turned 18, then you can get it totally erased as if it never happened. But if you did commit new felonies, then they'll likely leave it on your record.

      So there is nothing significant about the combination of "minor" and "felony." When I was a teenager a number of decades ago, I had friends who got felonies for things like "arson" where the damages were under $5, and they weren't even trying to cause any damage. It doesn't mean they can never get a good job or travel or whatever, it just means that they're going to be getting extra supervision until they're older. If it is a felony or not is related to the technical question of what law was violated, and there are totally different systems in place to prevent that ruining a child's life.

    56. Re:Serves them right by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      And of course, a "load of pig shit" means A) a few years of probation, most likely unsupervised, B) possibly having to transfer to the special high school for kids who got kicked out of the regular high school, and C) he's unlikely to get academic scholarships and if his parents don't pay for his college he'll have to take out the same loans that other kids have to take out.

      It is possible that he'd spend time in a detention center, but highly unlikely. That is generally reserved for kids who are committing crimes that directly harm strangers, violent crimes, and repeat offenders whose parents refuse to participate in a constructive way with probation. Most of the kids that see the inside of a detention center are only there for holding after arrest until their parents can come to pick them up.

      They don't normally do "plea bargins" for minors unless they're charged as an adult, and that usually only happens for extreme violence. Instead, reduced charges are usually based on the parents convincing the prosecutor that they're going to punish the kid in a serious-minded way that alters his lifestyle and makes him feel punished. If the parents won't play ball, then they generally have to choose between detention or just dropping charges. Detaining minors is a huge burden on the State compared to detaining adults, and they don't really like doing it.

    57. Re:Serves them right by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      What most people can't comprehend about it is that the thing the people on the jury are doing when they decide guilt based on broader considerations of Justice is protected. And you could call that "jury nullification."

      But when Judges are talking about Jury Nullification, and when the legal community is talking about it, that isn't what they mean. What they mean when they talk about it is a totally different act; the act of telling members of a jury that they can just ignore the law if they don't like it. The Jury isn't actually supposed to do that, its just that they never would without somebody telling them; when the Jury does it legitimately it is because having weighed the facts and the law they felt Justice for the community was best served by a Not Guilty verdict. They wouldn't be asked to explain it in such a deep way that it would even get into their opinions on the Law. So the banned thing isn't what the Jury does; the Jury can nullify not the law, but the application of the law in a particular instance before them. But that doesn't imply that it is acceptable for a lawyer to falsely tell the Jury that they can disregard the law. And when the Jury decides that Justice is best served by a Not Guilty verdict, they're not disregarding the law, they're simply including the goal of Justice in their analysis, which is part of their mandate.

      This is why people who spout off about "Jury Nullification" are almost guaranteed to be ignorant of the law, or just trolling. If they understood the situation, and they truly wanted Juries to come to that sort of conclusion more often, they'd quit trying to confuse juries talking about "nullification" and they'd adopt some talking points about the Duty to consider the Justice of the result in each particular instance. But they don't want that, instead they want to incite Juries to mob-like behavior where they just repeat some echo-chamber nonsense and refuse to do the analysis they're instructed to do.

    58. Re:Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what is the larger lesson?

      It's OK to break the law if (insert benevolent reason here)?

      When the law is not just, it is your duty to break it.

    59. Re: Serves them right by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Based on my reading of Dante's Inferno, I would say that if he is "going through" Hell then it probably quite possible to get good grades. The real problem would be if he was not actually going through at all, and yet still there.

      I'm not sure how Geography would even contribute to the analysis; how deep under the Earth is Hell again?

      Mount Diablo also sounds a like more an exit than an entrance. Maybe the only relation that Hell has to the problem is that if you're standing next to the exit, you only just got to Purgatory and you have a lot more work to do!

      All of that said, Diablo only means Devil. Surely such a school district would more accurately resemble the book of Job.

    60. Re: Serves them right by basecastula+ · · Score: 1

      I have seen half dome on a good day from there. I grew up in Clayton.

    61. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The degree to which my school system looked the other way and just accepted it is normal that I was daily assaulted in school and constantly in fear for my own safety is something that still makes me angry just thinking about it, decades later.

    62. Re:Serves them right by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Good points. Juries can reach verdicts based on their definition of justice in the specific case and their general verdict has to be respected; but they should not just disregard the law because they don't like it. There can be a number of reasons juries return not-guilty verdicts despite what the facts appear to support; in one case where I was on a jury we could not figure out exactly what a person had to do to violate the law because the law was confusing and thus we could not determine if in fact the defendant violated it and thus returned a not guilty verdict on the charge.

      The challenge is what powers do judges have to remove a juror who is determined to render a not guilty verdict simply because they want to ignore the law? It appears tehy can do that but have to be certain the reason is the juror wants to ignore the law.

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    63. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three felonies a day.

    64. Re:Serves them right by ruir · · Score: 1

      Bah. I reverse engineered the Novell Login program back in the day. Wrote virus-like tech hidden on the PC that intercepted the Login and password requested transparently, and saved the combo to an encrypted file. Had lists of username/passwords of nearly 300 users. In the end, I was not smart to no brag to the wrong persons about it, and also made a few stupid mistakes. If it were today, would be expelled.

    65. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear! Hear! Thatâ(TM)s soooo âon pointâ(TM)! (As the kids say)

    66. Re: Serves them right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hazah! I grew up in that area. You are absolutely correct in your blind assessments!

  2. Zero Tolerance by mentil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's almost 5 days' worth of felonies. Too bad 'zero tolerance' replaced 'let the punishment fit the crime.'
    If he's lucky, the FBI will hire him and get him a shorter/commuted sentence.

    --
    Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
    1. Re:Zero Tolerance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he is unlucky, the FBI will hound him until he commits suicide.

    2. Re:Zero Tolerance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      So what? Good riddance. The world does not need another criminal.

    3. Re:Zero Tolerance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just discriminated against him. That's illegal, so I guess you deserve several felony charges for hate crimes.

    4. Re:Zero Tolerance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the world doesn't need is simple-minded binary thinkers like yourself.

      Captcha: TROLLey

    5. Re:Zero Tolerance by Agripa · · Score: 1

      So what? Good riddance. The world does not need another criminal.

      Then why are they making one?

  3. Harsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A felony is a massive life-altering consequence that is not necessarily the most useful way to address or punish a problem. The kid's sixteen. Would you charge a kid with sixteen felonies for opening a teacher's grade book and turning an F into an A with an old-fashioned pen? The fact that he used computers to do it shouldn't increase the punishment.

    1. Re:Harsh. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The fact that he used computers to do it shouldn't increase the punishment

      I agree. But this is a bit more serious than sneakily messing with the grade book between classes. More like having the janitor called away from his office on some pretext, sneaking in there to steal his keys, duplicating them, then using the keys to break into the school at night and change the grade book.

      Still, not something that warrants a felony charge. With kids, focus of the sentence should be on rehabilitation rather than retribution. How this this work with minors in the USA anyway, does a juvie conviction stay on one's permanent record?

      --
      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    2. Re:Harsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's more like taking the keys to the safe where the grades are kept from the teachers desk and opening it.
      Teachers are culpable for falling for the email.
      IT are culpable for not doing two factor against incompetant users.

      But instead of giving him detention and also a pat on the back, these days it's easier to punish the kid and bury the fact that the system isn't secure.
      What else is on that network? Pupil data? Some really senstive stuff about home life, abuse accusations, chirst knows.
      But punish the kid for finding a flaw in the security.

    3. Re:Harsh. by fafalone · · Score: 4, Informative

      At 16, he'll probably be charged as a minor depending on the state and exact offense (more serious crimes would definitely get someone tried as an adult at 16 tho). As long as he's charged as a minor, it's not on his 'permanent record' in the sense it's sealed, so he doesn't have to say (and court checks won't show) that he's a convicted felon after he turns 18 (or 21 in some cases).

    4. Re: Harsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A thug with gun and drug charges would likely get less. The thing I think about though is why he didnt spend that time studying?

    5. Re: Harsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I did something along those exact same lines but for unfettered access to the computer lab. I got caught and my principal took pity on me and allowed me to take a Commodore 64 home on weekends and drafted me a specific note allowing me computer time anytime my class work was complete.

      No cops called..

      Oh the memories ...

    6. Re:Harsh. by Train0987 · · Score: 1

      Come on now... You could only turn an F into a B without it standing out like a sore thumb.

    7. Re: Harsh. by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Maybe if he did it sixteen times to sixteen different teachers, yeah.

    8. Re: Harsh. by reanjr · · Score: 1

      That is a decision to be made by the juvenile court system. It's not on the school or the police to protect young criminals from justice.

    9. Re:Harsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that he used computers to do it shouldn't increase the punishment

      I agree. But this is a bit more serious than sneakily messing with the grade book between classes. More like having the janitor called away from his office on some pretext, sneaking in there to steal his keys, duplicating them, then using the keys to break into the school at night and change the grade book.

      Still, not something that warrants a felony charge. With kids, focus of the sentence should be on rehabilitation rather than retribution. How this this work with minors in the USA anyway, does a juvie conviction stay on one's permanent record?

      Do the crime, do the time.

      Whenever I made even a slight slip not even remotely close to a felony--like reading a trig book in pre-algebra; it was detention and a referral, so screw the little fucker. Good enough to do big boy crimes, good enough to do big boy time.

    10. Re: Harsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't get a milkshake and a pat on the back for breaking the law, snowflake.

    11. Re:Harsh. by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      With zero tolerance and CFAA this kid has altered his life but he did so knowing the consequences. It's too bad he didn't take time to actually study because he sounds like he's bright. Unfortunately for his parents they'll also face a set of stiff legal bills too in defending him in court.

      --
      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
    12. Re:Harsh. by Kulahan · · Score: 1

      With kids, focus of the sentence should be on rehabilitation rather than retribution.

      Yeah, wait until they're adults to get meaningless revenge!

    13. Re:Harsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's time for jury- nullification then.

    14. Re:Harsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are federal crimes. Doesn't matter what state he's in.

    15. Re:Harsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing against you but I'm always amused about how the conversation changes when it isn't about brown people. We're this a conversation about brown kids breaking the laws by coming here to escape death, there would be hundreds of comments about a nation of laws, etc.etc.

      Isn't it convenient how the nation of laws talk doesn't apply to all law breakers?

    16. Re:Harsh. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      You forgot the buzzword "white privilege" in your shitpost. Summary makes no mention of the kids race and that's what most posters go off of.

    17. Re:Harsh. by Uberbah · · Score: 1
    18. Re:Harsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You proved my point. I'mmigration is cast as a brown people issue and an invasion of the White nation. Therefore it is easy for people to jump in the nation of laws badwagon rather than trying to evaluate the justifications of individual cases.

      The "hacker" issue is broader and there isn't a race assigned to the term yet. If there is a race that people tend to associate with it, it seems to lean more towarda a white people issue.

      None of these racial groupings are accurate. None of these mass abuses of laws are moral or justifiable. However, because one group represents a group we are taught to fear and despise, we easily buy into the draconian applications of the law when it is applied against them.. Yet when the laws are applied to groups we relate to, even though they are being abused similarly, we are apt to defend those being abused.

      It is sad to see but also fascinating to see how some of the theories on the human condition fit and are being manipulated.

    19. Re:Harsh. by westlake · · Score: 1

      A felony is a massive life-altering consequence that is not necessarily the most useful way to address or punish a problem. The kid's sixteen.

      I am tempted to say that committing the felony is the life-altering experience. The kid is sixteen, I'll grant you that.. But the geek tends to reach out for the get-out-of-jail-free card whenever one of his own is looking at serving hard time.

    20. Re:Harsh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he should consider putting this into his college application essays. Like, who else is gonna beat 16 felonies? I'm sure that this kid is going to do a great deal of very fast learning as he deals with all the shit that this fan will distribute. If colleges are really interested in putting together classes in which the students have a diversity of experiences... well, this guy is some serious diversity!

    21. Re:Harsh. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      You proved my point. I'mmigration is cast as a brown people issue and an invasion of the White nation. Therefore it is easy for people to jump in the nation of laws badwagon rather than trying to evaluate the justifications of individual cases.

      Engage in as much rhetorical masturbation as you want, it's not going to make you any less full of shit here. Race wasn't a factor in this story or any of the comments. Don't forget to bill COINTELPRO for all your efforts, though.

    22. Re:Harsh. by fafalone · · Score: 1

      College might be hard. In another stroke of genius, a felony disqualifies you from federal student aid. Because you gotta try as hard as you can to make them stay criminals; can't let them go improving their lives and getting a good job. USA! USA!

  4. Lowering grades? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If he just raised random people's grades (so as not to point only to himself), it might have slipped by un-noticed. But students who got lower-than-expected grades would likely complain, causing an investigation. Hoist by his own petard, so to speak.

    Should we ruin his life with 14 felonies over it? Nope. He needs a slap in the hand and some direction, not serious jail time and a record. Unpaid community service conducting teacher training on cybersecurity and Internet hygiene would be about right.

    But 'murkah and harsh "justice."

    1. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He is a minor and will most likely have his case heard in juvenile court which means any record of the charges or punishment are sealed. And America does have a justice system and if you do the crime don't start whining about your punishment. It's people like this kid and all the other morons who think they have the right to do anything they want because their particular crime is in the digital world. It is not ok to breach any system without permission to do so. It doesn't matter is the system has no user Id or password or a system with good security in place.

    2. Re:Lowering grades? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The US has a higher incarceration rate than most of the developed, democratic world, but doesn't have lower violent crime rates to show for it. The US system lacks a sense of proportion.

    3. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US has a higher incarceration rate than most of the developed, democratic world, but doesn't have lower violent crime rates to show for it.

      I think you're confusing cause and effect.

    4. Re:Lowering grades? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Considering a lot of people start being locked up for personal matters that shouldn't concern the state (like what substances they choose to put into their bodies), I don't think I am.

    5. Re:Lowering grades? by E-Rock · · Score: 1

      Prisons are now a business. Recidivism is a feature not a bug now.

    6. Re:Lowering grades? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      If he just raised random people's grades (so as not to point only to himself), it might have slipped by un-noticed.

      According to TFA, he did do that. He both raised and lowered the grades of other students.

      They caught him by the IP address in the logs, which they tracked to his home address. He should have logged in from the library.

    7. Re:Lowering grades? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you're confusing cause and effect.

      No he isn't. Not all US states went on prison construction sprees. Those that did and those that didn't saw similar changes in crime rates. The prisons did little to help.

      Prisons help some by keeping criminals off the street, but they also hurt because they create hardened criminals with few other options, and they disrupt families and communities. If you want to prevent crime, there are smarter things to spend your budget on than mass incarceration, such as better education.

    8. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Sealed is a myth really. When I was under 18 I ran afoul of the legal system, well let's just say a few times, and though I only had 1 thing go on my permanent record and it was really minor, The others were all classified as HBO [Handled by Officer] which means I wasn't even charged. Just got bitched out by the cops and that was that. Or so I thought until I joined the Navy, On my enlistment forms I reported everything I remembered and then a few weeks later I got a phone call from the Navy bitching me out like crazy saying things like falsifying my info was punishable by jail and blah blah blah up to 100k in fines blah blah blah. They then instructed me to be in their office the next day to resolve this. It was a 4+ hour drive and I was shitting bricks the whole way there,

      I get there and after a few hours was led to an interrogation room and after what seemed like weeks an officer what not came in and started reading me my rights,

      I was like whoa, whoa, whoa, WTF are you talking about. I was completely honest with my info. To which he tossed a few things on the table showing the HBO incidents and said then what are these?
      I was like, 1st off what the hell does HBO mean [that is where I learned what Handled by Officer meant] and I was like DUDE the cops bitched me out and told me to go home how was that even on my record?. He was like, EVERYTHING is on your record. Then I was like, but what happened to when I turned 18 everything was expunged, and that was when he said NOTHING is "sealed" and nothing is ever removed from your record.

      That day I leaned a LOT and was pretty scared and then he was like, since this was really minor shit and he could tell I didn't do it on purpose that he was going to drop the matter and a few months later I was in boot camp.

      Still pretty scary to be put through that when you're 18. [this was in 1982 so things might be different now] But I still remember it like it was yesterday.

    9. Re:Lowering grades? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not recidivism. It's a returning customer.

    10. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you tie an onion to your belt?

    11. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'we' are not ruining his life with 14 felonies, he did it to himself. He is 16 and is smart for being able to do it. Though not smart enough to know how to not get caught. Phishing is a serious act. Today it might just be changing grades, tomorrow might be stealing bitcoins.

      Maybe not jail time, but those felonies should stay on his record and be monitored so he does not do any phishing. Giving someone just a slap on the hand could just encourage them to do more phishing since the punishment is light for the risk.

    12. Re: Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 2018. Can we stop treating this kid like he's some kind of prodigy? All the tools needed for this kind of attack are pre-packaged and readily available to anyone that wants them. I've seen no evidence that he did anything special; in fact, because he wasn't smart enough to execute the attack outside of his home, I'd say it's more likely that his IQ is below average.

    13. Re:Lowering grades? by CriticalYetLazy · · Score: 2

      Yeah totally agree cause all 16 year olds make great informed decisions, always, which they never regret. Sigh. I bet you always were a conscious little teen weren't you?

    14. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the prison, they are exploitable resources more than customers. :/

    15. Re:Lowering grades? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      More a returning product. But for a change that's what you want.

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    16. Re:Lowering grades? by dwillden · · Score: 2

      Actually we do have lower violent crime rates to show for it, as the rise in incarceration was due to increased prosecution in order to stem rapidly rising crime rates that started climbing in the 60's until peaking in the 90's Since then crime rates have dropped by over 50%, and in recent years the incarceration rate has dropped.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-mass-incarceration-1456184736

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    17. Re:Lowering grades? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      No need to worry. His record will be sealed when he turns 18. No one will have access to it.

      His school record, however, that's not going to look good to prospective colleges.

    18. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Myth. A very dangerous myth on part with "You can't charge a husband and wife with the same crime" and "Two siblings both cannot contract meningitis". Don't use Law & Order's shitty writing as a source of legal knowledge.

      https://www.pumphreylawfirm.com/blog/the-myth-of-expungement/

    19. Re:Lowering grades? by Ly4 · · Score: 4, Informative

      An opinion piece from the WSJ isn't exactly a useful citation. It's paywalled - do they ever get around to comparing the US to other countries or do they just whine about the term 'mass incarceration'?

      It's not difficult to find articles and studies that contradict the whole 'incarceration reduced crime' theory. This one includes this bit:

      Fortunately, there is a real-time experiment underway. For many reasons, including straitened budgets and a desire to diminish prison populations, many states have started to cut back on imprisonment. What happened? Interestingly, and encouragingly, crime did not explode. In fact, it dropped. In the last decade, 14 states saw declines in both incarceration and crime. New York reduced imprisonment by 26 percent, while seeing a 28 percent reduction in crime. Imprisonment and crime both decreased by more than 15 percent in California, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and Texas.

    20. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many believe they are a viable military target.

      If I were in prison, I believe it would be my job to cost them as much money as I could, including getting all the other prisoners to make it very un-profitable.

    21. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Private prisons don't raise or lower the crime rate. What they do is provide incentives to judges to give out longer prison sentences. Or prison sentences instead of time-served and simple parole + community service sentences. There are many instances where young people are given fairly length prison sentences when a short sentence and/or parole would suffice. There are also instances of judges being arrested for accepting kick-backs and bribes from private prison operators to encourage them to hand out longer prison sentences. The whole system of private prisons is just putting up a giant sign that says "CORRUPTION HERE".

    22. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America has a legal system. It's not a justice system.

    23. Re: Lowering grades? by reanjr · · Score: 2

      If your 16 year child old can't figure out how to use a network legally, then you shouldn't be letting them near a computer. Raise your fucking kids. When you let society do it, they end up with a dozen felony charges.

    24. Re:Lowering grades? by Richard+Dick+Head · · Score: 1

      but doesn't have lower violent crime rates to show for it

      Actually it does, you just have to look at it long-term. Violent crime rates have been dropping since the early 90s. People stuck in prison have much less chance of reproducing. www.statista dot com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

    25. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    26. Re:Lowering grades? by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      According to this list on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... the incarceration rate of the US is the worst in the world, next to North Korea(which could be better or worse since it's a guess). The nearest other candidates are tiny islands in the pacific.
      Every school should consider it their duty to keep their kids out of the criminal system.

    27. Re:Lowering grades? by fox171171 · · Score: 1

      America has gone crazy. I saw a documentary about crime in America. It followed three guys. Michael, Franklin and some psycho named Trevor. Jacking cars, machine guns blazing, speeding all over the place. Started out robbing jewelry stores, running guns, and cooking drugs. Gang violence. Wiped out a biker gang. Highjacked stuff from a shipping port. Shot down a plane. Even stole aircraft from a military base. Hit some banks, and a gold reserve. These dudes were crazy mofos!

    28. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America has a profit and revenge system. Its not a a legal, nor justice system.

    29. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were in prison, your only job would begin with blow.

    30. Re:Lowering grades? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Wow, you've really got a hate-boner for anyone standing next to hackers.

      How many of these anonymous coward posts are yours?

      Today it might just be changing grades, tomorrow might be stealing bitcoins.

      Pft, the slippery slope argument? Really?

      And is that path MORE or LESS likely to happen if felonies are actually pushed onto this kid?

      If it's a serious crime, we send those people to jail. You know, FELONS. If he spends time around criminals, I guarentee you he'll learn things and network with narfarious people. Prison is a great place to learn the trade. Think of it like a criminal convention. Unless you put them all in solitary, but that's torture. So he comes out of prison, or if he simply has felony charges stick to him and he's now a ex-convicted felon for the rest of this life.... now what? What's he going to do with his life? What are his options? In theory, after he's rehabilitated, he's a model citizen. And yet we never forget about felons, and it's always a checkbox on hiring forms.

      He should be punished, and I think we agree he shouldn't face jail time, but I'd say he doesn't need to be a felon and to that extent I don't think he should be convicted of the felonies brought against him. And considering this is going to juvie, he probably won't. Unless the prosecutor was sure that's how it would go down, charging him with 14 felonies was an overreaction.

    31. Re:Lowering grades? by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      The entire industrialized world saw a drop in violent crime, regardless of their incarceration policies. The best explanatory theory is the drop in childhood lead poisoning -- a toxin that is known to be very dangerous to childhood brain development. The nice thing about this theory is it is testable. Different cities, different states within the US, and different countries have had somewhat different timing in the lead poisoning abatement efforts, and the violence rates do track with similar looking time lags, just as would be expected.

      The incarceration rates do not. You can find individual cities or states that show correlation, but it is easy to show contradictory data.

    32. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a teacher, and while it's important for schools to reach a minimal standard, there's a point at which you have greatly diminished returns. Students who come from shitty families where the mom cleans buildings at night and works in McDonald's by day and the dad isn't a part of the equation aren't going to benefit from tablets (mostly used for games) or AP classes (which aren't taken seriously).

      99% of students' success comes from their parents' educational level and financial background. The only real answer is Communist revolution.

    33. Re:Lowering grades? by grumpyman · · Score: 1

      I'd say law should be applied consistently, but someone (judge?) can drop charges based on seriousness of it. I.e. the student should know what it actually means in real-world by all the charges, and judge should put lienacy towards it. Not charging him with all the appropriate crimes is not conducive to adjust the behavior.

    34. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US has a higher incarceration rate than most of the developed, democratic world, but doesn't have lower violent crime rates to show for it. The US system lacks a sense of proportion.

      Prison guards need jobs too.

      And don't get things wrong, those prisoners are doing work others just don't want to do. its a good workaround for the pesky 13th Amendment.

    35. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sealed is a myth really. When I was under 18 I ran afoul of the legal system, well let's just say a few times, and though I only had 1 thing go on my permanent record and it was really minor, The others were all classified as HBO [Handled by Officer] which means I wasn't even charged. Just got bitched out by the cops and that was that. Or so I thought until I joined the Navy, On my enlistment forms I reported everything I remembered and then a few weeks later I got a phone call from the
      Navy bitching me out like crazy saying things like falsifying my info was punishable by jail and blah blah blah up to 100k in fines blah blah blah. They then instructed me to be in their office the next day to resolve this. It was a 4+ hour drive and I was shitting bricks the whole way there,

      I get there and after a few hours was led to an interrogation room and after what seemed like weeks an officer what not came in and started reading me my rights,

      I was like whoa, whoa, whoa, WTF are you talking about. I was completely honest with my info. To which he tossed a few things on the table showing the HBO incidents and said then what are these?
      I was like, 1st off what the hell does HBO mean [that is where I learned what Handled by Officer meant] and I was like DUDE the cops bitched me out and told me to go home how was that even on my record?. He was like, EVERYTHING is on your record. Then I was like, but what happened to when I turned 18 everything was expunged, and that was when he said NOTHING is "sealed" and nothing is ever removed from your record.

      That day I leaned a LOT and was pretty scared and then he was like, since this was really minor shit and he could tell I didn't do it on purpose that he was going to drop the matter and a few months later I was in boot camp.

      Still pretty scary to be put through that when you're 18. [this was in 1982 so things might be different now] But I still remember it like it was yesterday.

      Things are not different now. If you are spoken to by a cop it will most likely be recorded somewhere and no matter what anyone in any organization tells you, that information can be accessed. Of course far worse then that are these private background check sites which are taken as completely accurate when they are anything but. They just harvest information from ANYWHERE and slap it up as fact.

    36. Re: Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of them dies at the end I heard.

    37. Re: Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have told the guy to go fuck himself. Then quit the military. If they were being that nit picky, then fuck em. Find another toy soldier.

    38. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It goes in your FBI file whether expunged or not. If you think about it it makes sense. Past actions aren't just about defining individuals but may also inform about relationships and whereabouts during offenses. Unfortunately the real reason is so animals like the Navy guys can punk a recruit and so J Edgar can shake down a political candidate or official.

    39. Re:Lowering grades? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a teacher... The only real answer is Communist revolution.

      So, after we purge all of the non-conforming intellectuals, students will have better education outcomes? Or is it that after the glorious revolution, education outcomes will become irrelevant, because everyone will be busy "minimizing their abilities" (from each according to their ability)?

  5. Dumb and dumber... by The+Fat+Bastard · · Score: 0

    Some of my middle school friends got caught breaking into a Radio Shack store to steal... drumroll, please! ... a TRS-80.

  6. They should make them misdemeanors by ITRambo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fools that charge the kid with felonies risk putting a talented hacker onto a road to a life of crime by introducing him to real felony criminals in prison, if it went that far. While his hacks were easily reversible, they should show some respect for his skill at exposing the ignorance of this teachers, and put him on a good path and not possibly in prison, by forcing him to teach teachers how to avoid the folly that they fell for. This is the epitome of a victimless crime.

    1. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Victimless apart from his stupid lowering of other students' grades. But hey, he's 16, no one has good judgment at age 16.

    2. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The fools that charge the kid with felonies risk putting a talented hacker onto a road to a life of crime by introducing him to real felony criminals in prison

      I wonder if any actual fools believe this kind of super-villain nonsense.

    3. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh they fully intend to put him into a life of crime. And they will make sure he winds up hanging out with junkies. They will get him hooked and the cops can arrest him again. It's just what pigs do.

    4. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. ACAB.

    5. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And 419 scams are good at exposing the stupidity of the people who fall for it, so it's no big deal either, right? It takes almost no skills to try that -- the main part is lack of moral values.

    6. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 2

      Talented hacker?

      He got caught, for God's sake.
      He's a stupid.

          -- Zohan Dvir

    7. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talented hacker == talented thief == talented stalker == talented rapist. See? Crime is crime. Hacking is a crime. Hackers are criminals. This is what the civilized world has decided. Nobody is interested in your criminal skills. I bet they'll play the asperger I-am-so-special defence.

    8. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Equating all crimes (as you seem to be) is the real stupidity. Felonies should be reserved for major thefts and serious harm to others' health or lives. By making everything a felony, the American system has lost all sense of proportion.

    9. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      A crime is merely what is illegal, it isn't synonymous with what is wrong. And no one will say (honestly) all crimes are equal.

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    10. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The stupid thing is he's probably going to face a harsher punishment than the people responsible for the Equifax leak. All he did was try to change his grades. Equifax put over a hundred million people's credit and finances at risk.

      Though I have to say, if he'd put as much effort into studying as he did setting up this phishing attempt (create a website which mimics the official school site?), he probably wouldn't have needed to change his grades.

    11. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      When I was about 12 I had this brilliant idea: learn Braille, tape the cheat sheets under my trousers and then I can read them in tests and it looks just like I'm rubbing or scratching my thighs.

      I realised it'd be easier to just study for the tests.

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    12. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, the crybabies who cannot accept losing.

    13. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by ls671 · · Score: 0

      Did you stop school at 12 or soon after?

      Because, when continuing a little, I realized that the reference books were then allowed in exam rooms making the kind of cheat you mention useless.

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    14. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Well he needs to learn his lesson somewhere. The situation clearly called for a man-in-the-middle attack.

    15. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Right. Stealing your lunch is just like raping you. I hope someone proves it to you.

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    16. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I must have done, because I clearly missed the implementation of a single education system world-wide.

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    17. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Talented hacker becomes talented security programmer.
      Talented thief becomes talented locksmith.
      Talented stalker becomes talented (private) investigator.
      Talented rapist becomes ... I dunno, talented father?

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    18. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by fafalone · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of how I was... in middle and high school, I had a TI-89, which to those unfamiliar, has all sorts of advanced stuff like symbolic manipulation (like a+a=2a, or integrate(ln(x)) returns x*ln(x)-x), and BASIC + Motorola 68k asm. I'd spend hours and hours writing programs that did all the work for me. Since I was the only one in any of the classes that had one (everyone else had 83s), and the teachers didn't quite understand what the 89 could do either, they never stopped me. First, it was the competitions that did ban them (or had problems where it didn't help). Then came college. Boy was I screwed. If I had spent 1/5th of the time just studying normally instead of programming my way around it, it would have made my life so much easier. Though the amazing asm games certainly helped my popularity.

    19. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's stupid about it?

      That you can't recognize the difference between accepting incompetence on the part of Equifax or even the teachers here, and the actual malicious actors like this student or the people who hacked Equifax?

      Let me guess, you want to punish victims of crime, because of they were more prudent, the criminals would not exist?

    20. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, there is a sense of proportion. They wouldn't have had to do that if "hackers" had understood the messages and stopped trying being clever. You want to play villain, you get treated like one. Or you can be part of a community. Obey the law, nothing bad happens. See? Easy.

    21. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by houghi · · Score: 1

      Sometimes the cheating part is the fun part. I remember once that I had a way to cheat. Basically a paper on an elastic band that I could pull out and then let go in my sleeve of my jacket.

      I even told the teacher that I was going to cheat. I cheated and did not get caught. Did I need to cheat? No. I did not even need to look at the cheat sheet,but did anyway, because it was fun.

      If I would have had the Internet as a kid I could imagine that I would have tried something similar. Especially after watching something like Wargames.

      At this moment the kid was a cracker, this is a great opportunity to turn him in to a hacker. (Those terms are the original terms)

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    22. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you go back far enough in history, felonies were originally the crimes punishable by death. Misdemeanors were everything else.

    23. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by houghi · · Score: 0

      That is a discusion I had with a lawyer friend. Is e.g. murder illegal. Her point was that it is not as such. It is just that if you get caught under specific circumstances you will get a punishment, not because it is illegal.
      The law here says that IF you murder THEN you get X amount of jail time. The law does not specifically say that the murder is illegal.

      This just as a point of discussion asd I agree with the rest. Not all crimes are the same. The worst cime is calling a fat bitch a fat bitch. At least that is what I understand of the PC movement.

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    24. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being in college when the TI-89 was coming onto the scene was awesome.
      Engineering class suddenly became 50% easier when the calculator could do all the math for me and I could focus on the theory while double-checking its results. Few of my classmates had them so the curve was in my favor, working extra hours at my campus job to pay for it was well worth it.

    25. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should make trolling a felony.

    26. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by JeffOwl · · Score: 2

      You are buying into the hype. This isn't meant to send him to prison. This is meant to get him to take a plea deal while impressing upon him that this was serious. Any halfway decent lawyer will see that the kid serves no time in proper jail. Since he apparently thought this was OK, he is in need of something. Exposing the ignorance of his teachers is not a good excuse. You could use that for so many cases, you can't make "it was easy" a mitigation.

    27. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How else do you explain the massive degree of stupidity?

    28. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The fools that charge the kid with felonies

      When I was a teenager, I tried to steal a soda from a delivery truck and got 1 felony charge and 7 misdemeanor charges. It set my life back a decade and even now, in my 40's, I have to explain it any time I take a job the requires a background investigation.

      So this kid is screwed.

    29. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by rhazz · · Score: 1

      if he'd put as much effort into studying as he did setting up this phishing attempt, he probably wouldn't have needed to change his grades

      It's not surprising that he would put a huge amount of effort into something he found interesting and motivating, and was probably failing his other classes he hated (English class anyone?). I knew a guy in high school who had a seriously high IQ - he was the lead of the school team that does those trivia competitions and he would take a class's textbook home and read it for fun and ace the class tests. And he nearly failed every subject because he wouldn't do any of the assigned work which accounted for a significant portion of the marks.

    30. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by MorePower · · Score: 1

      We are talking about high school here, is there anything you would have to actually study? If you were even half-awake during class it is usually trivially easy to ace any high school test.

      Failing a class in high school is caused by not spending hours and hours per day grinding out boring, repetitive homework assigments (which often count for 50% of your grade), not failing to learn the trivially easy material.

    31. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also "making a website" and "sending a email" make not a talented hacker.

    32. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No effort needed. Its actually surprising so many phising sites are so bad as its trivial to copy a website and all its assets.

    33. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      So.....how did he define "illegal" then? I define it as doing something the law says you will get punished for.

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    34. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by reanjr · · Score: 1

      You don't know the definition of hacker.

    35. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by reanjr · · Score: 1

      We already had this conversation decades ago. We decided that since hacking is so difficult to catch and prosecute, we would make the punishment severe to deter crime.

      The punishment has alrealy been measured against the crime and has been found proportional in context.

      What you seem to be claiming is that 16 year old perpetrators somehow totally upend the calculation. You have anything to support that wild claim?

    36. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by reanjr · · Score: 1

      I would not hire your lawyer friend.

      See, 18 U.S. Code  1111 - Murder

    37. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by houghi · · Score: 1

      TIL: All the world follows the US law. (That was sarcasm)

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    38. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      Jaywalking is also hard to catch and prosecute. So is graffiti (which causes more damage than what he did). We don't make the punishment for either very severe. Punishment should be proportional to damage caused or intended, not to difficulty of prosecution.

    39. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      Yet murder, if you're a soldier or cop, is perfectly legal, and often celebrated.

    40. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...
      Talented rapist becomes ... I dunno, talented father?

      Talented rapist becomes ... talented therapist.
      Just a quick flick from physical to mental.

    41. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Phishing is not some advanced hacking technique. He is not some "talented hacker." He is a website developer (insanely easy to do these days) and email spammer.

    42. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok lets play that game. The story said he lowered the grades of other students. Let postulate that there exists a student who will now not be able to attend college because this one grade pushed them below the acceptance GPA of the possible colleges they could attend. Of below the GPA necessary to receive a scholarship to attend college.
      So now they end up working retail instead of eventually becoming an engineer.
      He was caught and hopefully all the grades restored to their accurate values. However the potential to destroy other's lives was there, and he obviously didn't care.
      How did he pick those students whose grades he reduced? Were they reduced out of a sense of revenge?
      How many lives could he potentially destroyed? If it was nineteen is the punishment proportional?

    43. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a pretty funny Japanese movie from 1996 called That's Cunning! / Shijo saidai no sakusen.
      It shows some absurd ways a group of students cheated on chemistry tests. It reminds me a bit of the 1985 movie Real Genius.

    44. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They "system" should get him on some minor misdemeanor and then let some other kid who had their grade lowered sue him for loss of wages for the rest of their life because their tainted record will keep them out of an ivy league school and have a cascading affect on their income until retirement.

      What is the difference in lifetime earnings between ivy league lawyer and mcdonald's fry guy?

    45. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a typical start to a software development career. Did you end up going that route?

    46. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      Did you even read the summary? HE didn't just try to change his grades...he changed other peoples' grades for both better and worse.

      Considering that High School grades are a huge predictor of being able to get into university and get scholarships for universities, this is sacred fucking shit you don't mess with. I agree it sucks to give a kid a felony, but this was a felony level offense.

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    47. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...

      Talented rapist becomes ... talented therapist.

      Why, it's in the title!

    48. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Copying a simple school site would take minutes.

    49. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try looking up the word expunged. It's typically allowed after 7-10 years, check the State laws.

    50. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We already had this conversation decades ago. We decided that since hacking is so difficult to catch and prosecute, we would make the punishment severe to deter crime.

      The punishment has alrealy been measured against the crime and has been found proportional in context.

      What you seem to be claiming is that 16 year old perpetrators somehow totally upend the calculation. You have anything to support that wild claim?

      Hmm, not unsurprisingly a decision made "decades ago" about technology is wrong and needs to be reevaluated. Things change and I know that both societally and as a country we simply REFUSE accept that things change over time and what was once right/OK is now wrong. It is fundamentally what's destroying the world at the moment.

      What this student did was not difficult to do and no harder to catch and prosecute than if the student had hopped on a teachers unlocked/unprotected computer while they were away. We had that problem all the time in school even 20 years ago. People don't treat their work computers particularly safe, often taping passwords under keyboards and shit like that. That's not just a cliche or trope. I've seen it first hand MANY times.

      Charging pretty much anyone, let alone a 16 year old, with 14 felonies for changing grades is so far beyond an overreaction it's reached absurdity. Something like that will at least make it MUCH more difficult for this kid to make their way if not completely destroy their life. Common sense is sufficient "support" here, though you seem to be lacking that. No one is saying no punishment but what's happening a joke, plain and simple.

    51. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for felonies it's not. Oh misdemeanors.

    52. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Pulling a trigger on a gun is super easy to do, too. Just because something is super easy doesn't mean it's not a crime. And it's way more difficult to figure out and prove who changed a datum than it is to figure out and prove who fired a gun.

    53. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by reanjr · · Score: 1

      The fact that it's super easy is exactly why the laws have severe punishments.

    54. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by reanjr · · Score: 1

      TIL some people don't have the reading comprehension to understand a story is about people and laws in the U.S.

    55. Re: They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The definition now accepted by the vast majority is: "computer criminal". Get over it. It will not change no matter how much you whine.

    56. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Not really as a career; I write the odd app here and there that bring in a little extra income, and take the occasional project updating legacy VB/VBA code lots of small businesses still run. As a hobby I'm active in that community too focused on using new Windows features in pre-.NET VB. So basically, helping people cheat and avoid a total rewrite :)

    57. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. In Kentucky we have a dingbat that has made it her mission in life to make dog fighting a felony. While dog fighting is foul, it is difficult to find crimes that more aptly fit the description "misdemeanor."

    58. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Felonies should be reserved for major thefts and serious harm to others' health or lives.

      I would argue that lowering other peoples grades fits that definition. Even raising your own hurts others, but not as directly.

    59. Re:They should make them misdemeanors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Equating all crimes (as you seem to be) is the real stupidity. Felonies should be reserved for major thefts and serious harm to others' health or lives. By making everything a felony, the American system has lost all sense of proportion.

      Nonsense. The value of the American legal system in the eyes of the US legal profession is entirely proportional to the ability of that system to put money in hands of legal professionals. There's a proportion in the system, it's just not the one you were thinking of.

      This means the legal profession is happy to write and approve and enforce laws that turn minor incidents into multiple-felonies (as Aaron Swartz found out). This makes people scared of their own legal system and creates an artificial demand for the services of lawyers.

      Like the slave-owners of old, the legal professionals doing this know perfectly well that they are doing something wrong, they just don't care.

      The supply of lawyers being relatively fixed (there are only so many law schools - and only so many slots in firms willing to hire for graduates), this ensures that lawyers make a lot more money over the course of their career. It's all about Supply and Demand.

      Many politicians are themselves lawyers, as are many lobbyists, which helps smooth the whole process, and associations of legal professionals make large campaign contributions. It's not an accident that ethics reform in US law is decades overdue - with no likelihood of anything getting better in sight.

      Economists estimate that half the income of the US legal profession comes from ethics problems in US law, otherwise known as rent-seeking behaviour (see The Captured Economy).

      Ethics problems in law have serious economic consequences for most of society. Unfortunately, people in general are too occupied by television and computer games to realize how badly they are getting screwed. The idea of "Bread and Circuses" works as well today as it did in ancient Rome, and the 1% keep getting richer (largely at the expense of everybody else).

  7. Needs 2FA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the kind of shit that needs two-factor authentication.

  8. In my day... by Kaenneth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used a keylogger entered into the machine with physically blocked ports via crashing the teacher app to DOS by entering a password longer than 255 characters then using "COPY CON: KL.COM" and ALT-numpad entered machine code from my notebook to copy the next characters typed (which would be the next teachers password) to high memory for me to retrieve later.

    I only used it to lower bullies grades, not boost my own.

    1. Re:In my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you're proud of being vindictive? One thing I've learned getting older is that the bullies, assholes they may be, were lashing out from problems at home. Any hope they had you killed, in complete unfairness by stooping to their level. And another thing I've learned by seeing where those bullies are today, they suffer long term due to their unfortunate circumstance, while the adversity they put me through toughened me like iron becoming steel.

    2. Re:In my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you're proud of being vindictive? One thing I've learned getting older is that the bullies, assholes they may be, were lashing out from problems at home.

      Fuck them, and fuck you. I was bullied and school and thrashed up hill and down dale at home and I was never a bully to anyone.

      Someone being an asshole to you is no excuse for being an asshole to the next person. It's YOUR fault.

    3. Re:In my day... by TFAFalcon · · Score: 2

      He was just lashing out from problems at school. The bullies should be grateful, the lower grades probably toughened them up.

    4. Re:In my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great story. I know you have wished it to be true so much you almost convinced yourself. Almost. But deep inside you know it's just a self-aggrandizing, self-lionizing lie you desperately need to cling to that little self-respect that wasn't bullied out of you. But you know you're only fooling yourself. I have heard enough variations on this fantasy to spot it right away.

    5. Re:In my day... by garlicbread2 · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the password he was using was "Joshua"

    6. Re:In my day... by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      You're reading a lot into this, it's a mean thing I did as a kid, not the thing in life I'm most proud of.

      And not all bullies and victims end up like your situation did, see Trump and his victims for reference.

    7. Re:In my day... by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they got it straightened out; the teachers all would have had their own records, as well as previously printed report cards. They probably assumed it was a glitch/data entry error.

    8. Re:In my day... by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      Keep trying to convince yourself you are better than others by putting them down over the internet, that'll make you a winner in life.

  9. Ruin his life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not? The kid who goes to those lengths has already decided to be an asshole.

    1. Re:Ruin his life? by CriticalYetLazy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      99% of teens age 16 are assholes sometimes. Punishing them for life would almost guarantee them to become assholes most of the time.

    2. Re: Ruin his life? by reanjr · · Score: 1

      100% of everyone is an asshole sometimes. That doesn't innoculate them against the law.

      A three year old may not understand what he did when he shoots and kills someone. A sixteen year old knows goddam well what he's doing. Being 16 doesn't make you immune to crime.

  10. Use SQL reap the whirlwind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well maybe the school should smarten up and start using a mongodb where you cannot arbitrarily get the thing to perform commands by just messing with a string

    For instance

    In mongodb if you want to perform a find operation //passing in a string of 12311335612 as var string
    db.find({_id:ObjectId(string),'user':{$exists:true}}).toArray(function(err,res){});

    You can alter the incoming string to be whatever you like, but that db is only going to be performing a find function no matter what else you might want it to do.

    In contrast SQL has both the operation and the data as a fused string letting you perform such fun magic as

    "SELECT * FROM 'users' WHERE 'uid' = $string;DROP TABLE users"

    I really cannot stress enough that using a database from 1974 is probably incredibly stupid but since most people are reading this on a windows machine...well you can probably figure out from personal experience why using the stupid solution is the dominant choice.

    1. Re: Use SQL reap the whirlwind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mdusd uses PowerSchool which is actually a very common proprietary software, one Id call pretty intelligent and modern. He can alter the teacherâ(TM)s classes grades, and can view the teacherâ(TM)s students â grades, but does Not have full grade access..

      It logs IPs of alterations, for one thing. Source: Iâ(TM)m a teacher who worked for MDUSD last year.

    2. Re:Use SQL reap the whirlwind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All those databases from the 70's had something called prepared statements where you pass the statement and the values separately from each other.
      But sadly dumb programmers are dumb.

      There are a few databases out there like VoltDB that only have prepared statements, which also fixes their query-plan inplace, so performance is fixed throughout its life time.

    3. Re:Use SQL reap the whirlwind by ls671 · · Score: 1

      yawn, nobody with half a brain pipes user input directly into sql queries these days...

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    4. Re:Use SQL reap the whirlwind by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Little Bobby Tables strikes again!

    5. Re:Use SQL reap the whirlwind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of developers don't even have half a brain then, especially the needful doers they're stuffing IT departments with these days.

  11. Graded F in Hacking by MrKaos · · Score: 2

    Evidently he wasn't hacking to learn.

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    1. Re:Graded F in Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evidently he wasn't hacking to learn.

      Wrong.

      He learned just how gullible the average computer user (or in this case, teacher) is.

    2. Re:Graded F in Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to commit the crime to learn that. It's already obvious that people are gullible and be tricked, without needing to exploit it for yourself.

  12. Before everybody gets too worked up about this... by imperious_rex · · Score: 2

    Keep in mind these are 14 felony *charges*, not convictions. Prosecutors always go for the maximum they can charge so defendants can plea-bargain down to something more reasonable. Although a court date is set, it will probably be settled in a plea bargain and never go to a jury trial. Given how it's the kid's first offense and the lesser gravity of the "crimes" (altering grades is less serious than stealing money, copyright infringement, or NSA documents), the actual convictions will probably be plea bargained down to misdemeanors and the kid will probably be slapped with a hefty fine (which his parents will be on the hook for, as he is a minor), do some non-trivial community service time, and have restrictions placed on his internet access for a period of time (maybe 1-2 years). Worst case: the prosecutor is an overzealous asshole and wants to make an example of the kid. If so, the poor kid's life is seriously f**ked.

  13. Need my boner stroked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was wondering if any of you slashdot homos will step up to the plate and do the job? TIA!

  14. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Prosecutors always go for the maximum they can charge so ... it will probably be settled in a plea bargain and never go to a jury trial.

    You don't think maybe there is a problem with the legal system when this is a thing? That prosecutors have a tool they can use to avoid having to prove their cases? That they not only have the will to do this, it is basically standard operating procedure at this point?

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  15. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by imperious_rex · · Score: 1

    Sadly, it pretty much is standard operating procedure anymore. I recall a quote about the justice system where somebody said that plea bargains aren't just a part of the justice system, they ARE the justice system. It isn't hard to see why that is. It takes time and money to schedule a judge, assemble a pool of potential jurors, select 12 from that pool to be on the jury, hold the trail to determine guilt, and then hold another court session for sentencing. The criminal justice system would quickly grind to a halt if every alleged criminal got a jury trial even if that is his/her constitutional right. I don't like the over-reliance on plea bargaining either, but that is the reality of what the criminal justice system has become.

  16. Truth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1: We've shifted from requiring teachers discipline the students to just arresting the students when they misbehave due to budget cuts. A lot of states do this with elementary school kids.

    2: It's amazing how some of the most educated people on earth can't seem to balance a budget; instead of IT infrasturcture and basic training, schools prefer to spend their money on lavish administrative pay packages rather than teachers.

    3: The article states a dog sniffed out a flash drive under a tissue box. Really? I'm going to believe Sparky the K-9 can differentiate a flash drive from an alarm clock?

    4: This kid thinks he's a minor and will get tried as one. Wrong. They will wait 2-3 years, then charge him, then put him away for 40 years. Why? Gotta make the quotas any way they can.

    5: For any teacher to change any other persons grade, someone is storing the grades in excel. Unbelievable. How much money on smartboards and ipods did we spend?

    1. Re:Truth. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      1. Would you trust a teacher who is very obviously too stupid to be smarter than a kid to punish someone properly who already showed that he can best his teacher?

      2. Even the best IT infrastructure doesn't keep an idiot from entering his credentials into a fake website. If your user is too stupid to read an URL, you're SOL.

      3. If you require a flash drive to actually convict a 16 year old, your police force isn't much better than the teacher when it comes to IT.

      4. Yes, this is going to solve anything. "Making an example to deter" has worked so greatly for killing people for murder, hasn't it?

      5. The tools are useless if the ones supposed to teach with them are unable to even use them.

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    2. Re:Truth. by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      "Making an example to deter" has worked so greatly for killing people for murder, hasn't it?

      But it does, the number of murders is quite low. I've thought about murdering many people. If it were legal, I'd probably have carried through with a few, like that school administrator who thought bullying was "a part of growing up" and refuses to do anything about it.

      In this case, the reason "making an example" doesn't work is because he and his peers haven't been alive long enough to hear about those examples. This is why minors are tried differently than adults.

    3. Re:Truth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I trust a teacher to be a teacher, not a shit computer nerd. I know a couple of surgeons who know nothing about computers, their skills are way, way ahead of anything a computer programmer or "hacker" can even dream of. Computer skills != intelligence. Usually people skilled with computers have at best average intelligence, you don't need more than that. What all computer enthusiasts have in common are a worrying lack of empathy, social skills and understanding of how society and relationships among persons actually work. Those are dangerous traits.

      Parents, beware: if your kids express an unusual interest in computers and computer-related topics, discourage them. Seek professional help if necessary. "Hackers" have to end.

    4. Re:Truth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC to preserve modding, but how much of a sentence would it take to make you think twice?

      Would you spend a month in jail to kill someone? 6 months? 5 years?

      How bad do you want them dead?

      Plenty of people said that if they could get away with X amount of money they would willingly spend Y amount of time in prison for it.

    5. Re:Truth. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Do you HONESTLY believe that the average murderer ponders "Hmm... for 5 years I'll kill him, but for 15, rather not..." before pulling the trigger? Seriously?

      In over 95% of all bank robberies they have the culprit within 3 days. And in total it's almost 100%. And, at least in my country, armed bank robbery is getting really awfully close to murder when it comes to how much time you do (because it's considered taking hostages, threatening with a lethal weapon and a few other things on top of an armed robbery, and all those things carry a curiously high sentence to begin with... one has to wonder why). You rarely do less than 5 years and 10-15 is usual.

      And? You think bank robberies cease to exist?

      People planning to break the law don't ponder jail time. Never have, never will. That's not even part of their consideration. The only criminals who do take a potential punishment into account is those engaging in economic crimes, where the question whether to do it is solved by the inequation "if profit is higher than risk times fine, do it".

      And curiously, the fines in THAT area are ridiculously low.

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    6. Re:Truth. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Surgery isn't as hard as you make it out to be. It's just that you can't rollback a patient if you fuck up. At least not all of the time. Then again, with a really fucked up database, chances are that a simple rollback won't make it come alive either anyway.

      I expect a person using a tool to be able to use this tool. Else it can get messy and even dangerous. There's a reason you don't see me operate power tools, I prefer scalpels. Much more personal.

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    7. Re:Truth. by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      People planning to break the law don't ponder jail time. Never have, never will.

      Now you're just denying reality. I'm one of those who planned to break the law at one point, then considered jail time and didn't follow through. What does that make me?

    8. Re:Truth. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      A manager.

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  17. A task force and US Secret Service... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since terrorists hack shouldn't they have called in FBI and counter terrorist special forces as well!!! These hackers are dangerous!

  18. Number one rule in cheating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do not get caught! Dumbass, too stupid to be honest and even too stupid too cheat.

  19. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And since that's the state of things, you find it acceptable? Has it ever occurred to you to take a look at how the systems work in other countries where people doesn't get extorted into confessing stuff just to avoid the huge risk of catastrophic consequences if things don't go as they should.

    The US judicial system has more similarities with witch trials than actual justice.

  20. Courts sadly only way to punish by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    Should we ruin his life with 14 felonies over it? Nope.

    I completely agree - this should be handled internally by the school. However, if parents are going to use the courts to stop their kids being punished by schools then it's not surprising that schools have ended up having to use the courts to punish students. Courts are not at all designed to cope with misbehaving schoolkids and the result is that either they get off scot-free or they end up with life-ruining consequences.

    1. Re:Courts sadly only way to punish by JeffOwl · · Score: 1

      Please, the school can do nothing to him. Worst thing they could do is expel him, BFD. He needs more than that, though 14 felonies is overkill. One felony charge in juvenile court would be fine, sealed when he turns 18. Of course this is just to get him to a plea bargain. If he has a competent lawyer this won't ruin his life.

    2. Re:Courts sadly only way to punish by flink · · Score: 1

      Please, the school can do nothing to him. Worst thing they could do is expel him, BFD. He needs more than that, though 14 felonies is overkill. One felony charge in juvenile court would be fine, sealed when he turns 18. Of course this is just to get him to a plea bargain. If he has a competent lawyer this won't ruin his life.

      So if in addition to illicit computer use, if he's guilty of the crime of being poor, then he's fucked.

    3. Re:Courts sadly only way to punish by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      However, if parents are going to use the courts to stop their kids being punished by schools then it's not surprising that schools have ended up having to use the courts to punish students.

      No connection whatsoever between those dots. A teacher is forced by the ACLU to let students sit during the Pledge, so it's totally reasonable for the school to press felony charges over petty BS that should have been handled with an expulsion in return?

      Insert eyeroll emoji here.

    4. Re:Courts sadly only way to punish by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Please, the school can do nothing to him.

      That was my point. They _SHOULD_ be able to do something to him. If schools cannot punish kids then their behaviour is likely to deteriorate until it crosses the criminal threshold and they can use courts to punish the kids. However, the legal system is totally inappropriate for this. As you say if his parents can afford an expensive lawyer he may get off scot-free at which point he learns that even laws don't really apply to him and his behaviour gets even worse or he does not get off and has life-altering judgements imposed which provide little to no opportunity for him to learn from his mistake.

  21. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 1
    Since these are non-violent crimes, if convicted of felonies (highly unlikely, especially due to the age of the defendant & possibly other factors, such as race/ethnicity and defense lawyer competence) the defendant will most likely end up in a Federal Prison Camp (minimum security):

    https://www.bop.gov/about/faci...

    People need to stop thinking that what you see about prison in movies or TV (even reality TV) is the norm.

  22. Appropriate Punishment by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody is arguing that he should not be punished it is the severity of the punishment that is in question. A badly behaved schoolkid changing a few internal school grades is not the sort of thing a court is designed to deal with. You cannot achieve justice in schools through the court system: either kids will get off without any punishment or they end up with extremely serious consequences. What is needed is serious, but not life-changing consequences so they have a chance to learn from their mistakes.

    1. Re: Appropriate Punishment by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Schools do not have the resources to deal with information security. Their options are to get rid of digital records, or to escalate issues to the police.

      If you hack a system, you're a criminal. If you are a high school student, you know it is a crime. We recognize that hacking is difficult to prosecute, so the penalties are severe. I have no sympathy for someone using hacking to give themselves an advantage over their peers.

      Grow up. I would suggest doing so outside of prison, but if you can't manage that, you can join the accelerated program with other people who didn't manage to grow up in time.

    2. Re: Appropriate Punishment by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Schools do not have the resources to deal with information security

      There's your problem. Maybe they shouldn't be handling personal information that they're not equipped to handle?

      If you are a high school student, you know it is a crime.

      Why is the age of consent 18 then? Why can't you drink until 21?

    3. Re: Appropriate Punishment by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Their options are to get rid of digital records, or to escalate issues to the police.

      Plot hole: the cops aren't going to do anything to help the school secure their network. So going to the police isn't going to help the school at all.

      I have no sympathy for someone using hacking to give themselves an advantage over their peers. Grow up.

      You grow up. What is it with you authoritarians and always pretending the choice is letting the kid off scott free (which no one is proposing) or handing down a draconian punishment fit for a dictatorship.

    4. Re: Appropriate Punishment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are a high school student, you know it is a crime

      True, but there still is a certain lack of maturity. I certainly committed crimes in high school. I didn't get caught but I failed to realize the seriousness and I also had a false-sense of untouchability. Just because I never got caught doesn't mean I couldn't have been. My friends did the same crimes and only a couple of times were any of them even interviewed by law enfforcement.

      I would never commit those things today mainly because I've matured and even though it really is petty shit it can carry severe consequences. I didn't quite get that back then.

    5. Re: Appropriate Punishment by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Schools shouldn't handle student info like grades?

    6. Re: Appropriate Punishment by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Why set rules and mete out punishment to a five year old who wants to run into the street? I mean, they can't consent, and can't drink, so how do rules even apply?

    7. Re: Appropriate Punishment by reanjr · · Score: 1

      That's my entire point. You can't protect against the act, so you punish it after the fact. You haven't presented any cogent alternative to the ones I offered.

      And maybe you have some growing up to do. You obviously don't understand the complexities of a multi-layered justice system with perpetrators, victims, rulers, adjudicators, and enforcers all being handled separately. You seem to think it's just perpetrators and enforcers. Do some reading on the checks and balances in place in the roles of the American legal system before making nonsense statements.

      Or - if you think your statement isn't nonsense - the please tell me what punishment this kid got that you disagree with?

    8. Re: Appropriate Punishment by reanjr · · Score: 1

      That's why we have juvenile courts. It's not the role of the school or police to protect young criminals from justice. There are numerous people that fulfill that role: the criminal, the parents, the lawyer, the judge, the statutes on charging youth, etc. The schools job is to handle misbehavior and report crimes. The police's job is to collect evidence and apprehend suspects. Neither of them has a responsibility in deciding not to charge a young criminal. Neither has a role in detemerning guilt or punishment.

      This kid hasn't even been convicted, much less sentenced. You can't claim the system is broken without first trying out the system. In the court system, this line of thinking would be mooted as it's all theoretical. There's no injured party if the kid hasn't been sentenced.

    9. Re: Appropriate Punishment by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      If you hack a system, you're a criminal. If you are a high school student, you know it is a crime.

      It is a well established, scientific fact that teenage brains work differently from adult brains. This is why parents are necessary and why we have laws which restrict people's rights before they are 18 years old e.g. no alcohol, voting, tobacco etc. It's hardly fair, or even self-consistent, to claim that teenagers are incapable of making sensible decisions about politics, alcohol or tobacco use but that they should be fully capable of making a decision about whether it is sensible to hack a computer.

      By all means, punish the kid but let's have a punishment appropriate for a teenage kid being stupid and not one designed for serious, adult criminals.

    10. Re: Appropriate Punishment by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      That's the point though. The punishment for a 5 year old running in the street is being grabbed by their parents to prevent a serious accident, being told off and likely not being allowed to play outside for some time period. I hope you are not suggesting that the right way to deal with this would be to arrest the kid, haul them off to gaol and then charge them with obstructing traffic?

    11. Re: Appropriate Punishment by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      You haven't presented any cogent alternative to the ones I offered.

      I don't need to present any alternative to show that your stance goes way to far. You come and tell me you have an ingrown toenail that's gotten infected. I offer to get my axe and chop your whole foot off as treatment. Do you need to come up with an alternative to say my solution is total crap?

      And maybe you have some growing up to do. You obviously don't understand the complexities of a multi-layered justice system with perpetrators, victims, blah blah blah blah

      This isn't hard, really. Charging a kid with 14 felonies for petty tampering is lunacy. With the state's level of response you'd think he broke into the school, set it on fire after breaking into the safe and sexually assaulting the secretary.

    12. Re: Appropriate Punishment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Schools do not have the resources to deal with information security. Their options are to get rid of digital records, or to escalate issues to the police.

      If you hack a system, you're a criminal. If you are a high school student, you know it is a crime. We recognize that hacking is difficult to prosecute, so the penalties are severe. I have no sympathy for someone using hacking to give themselves an advantage over their peers.

      Grow up. I would suggest doing so outside of prison, but if you can't manage that, you can join the accelerated program with other people who didn't manage to grow up in time.

      Clearly you have no clue about how schools actually work. I do. I actually worked IT for a school district for a while. Most absolutely have the resources to manage information security. In fact, it's required because of the massive amount of personal info stored. Are you seriously so stupid you believe that these massive information systems just sit around unprotected? No on maintains them? Or do you think the government does somehow? I honestly can't fathom what you think happens. So, considering you're unreasonable stance, complete ignorance about what you're talking about, and unwillingness to consider that you might (and in fact ARE) wrong I can only assume you're a Trump supporter or a troll. That, of course, means nothing you say has any meaning at all and no one should ever listen to you under any circumstance.

      Take your own "advice" and grow up. Learn to accept that you don't know everything or likely much of anything, you're wrong in how you think everything involving this situation works and your continued ignorance is only going to hurt you moving forward.

  23. Anyone taking bets? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I bet that the teacher is not going to be at least reprimanded for being stupid enough to be phished by a kid.

    This is why security doesn't work. Being stupid is not being punished.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    1. Re:Anyone taking bets? by mentil · · Score: 1

      Punishment means, by definition, that it makes an organism less likely to do something in the future.
      However, there's no cure for stupid.

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      Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
    2. Re:Anyone taking bets? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I bet that the teacher is not going to be at least reprimanded

      And so he shouldn't be. The onus is not on ensuring everyone is not an idiot. The onus is on the people employing the idiots to empower them with knowledge. I'm willing to bet you this teacher has never so much as heard of the term "phishing" much less knows what to look out for.

      Punishing people for things they don't know is not a winning strategy.

    3. Re:Anyone taking bets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being stupid is not being punished.

      Au contraire !!

      Being stupid itself is already a very severe punishment

    4. Re:Anyone taking bets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being stupid is not being punished.

      Not everyone is the kind of geek that reads Slashdot, nor should they have to be, nor does that make them idiots.

    5. Re:Anyone taking bets? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Judging from what I can see, it's more like intelligence is punishment. At the very least it seems that ignorance is bliss.

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    6. Re:Anyone taking bets? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Then I guess it would be sensible to not operate machines they very obviously do not understand nor bother to learn to use properly.

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    7. Re:Anyone taking bets? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      The onus is not on ensuring everyone is not an idiot.

      You're correct in that not everybody will be talented at everything. However, if the school is going to expect that teachers will be entering their grades into a website as well as communicate via e-mail, then "how to avoid being the victim of a phishing scam" needs to be a part of their baseline training.

      The onus is on the people employing the idiots to empower them with knowledge.

      So then are the employers on the hook for negligence in their duties to empower their employees with knowledge. This is a school. That is literally the point of the institution. In addition, "being able to detect phishing scams" is a skill that will keep the teachers safe in their own lives.

      I'm willing to bet you this teacher has never so much as heard of the term "phishing" much less knows what to look out for.

      Well, it's 2018. Phishing has been a thing for over a decade now. Schools train teachers to handle no shortage of situations, from irate parents to fire evacuations. If the school is going to place any value on their data's integrity, then there needs to be training for the teachers on the topic.

      Punishing people for things they don't know is not a winning strategy.

      And what about willful ignorance? I can't tell you how many times I've spoken to someone and their answer has been something to the effect of, "well, I'm not a computer person so, whatever that whole mumbo jumbo was is something I just don't understand". A first offense being a mandatory training course might well make sense to remove the "I didn't know" argument to some extent, but at some point there needs to be pressure to make deliberate avoidance an unacceptable stance.

    8. Re:Anyone taking bets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen what teachers get paid?

      Hint, it's not enough to attract people who are competent in computer security. Or even borderline literate in it. Granted, California is a lot better than the Midwest, but it's still a pittance. Frankly, the fact that there are any teachers left in America today is itself a tribute to some impressive dedication on their part.

    9. Re:Anyone taking bets? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Then I guess putting grades into a computer is asking for trouble. If I want to use complicated machinery, I should be able to pay the people working with them well enough to ensure proper operation. Either that or I should not use it.

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    10. Re:Anyone taking bets? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      "how to avoid being the victim of a phishing scam" needs to be a part of their baseline training.

      And THAT was fundamentally my point. Don't punish the teacher. Punish the school which set them up for this failure.

      So then are the employers on the hook for negligence in their duties to empower their employees with knowledge.

      I'm not sure if this is a question or not. Structure says yes, lack of question mark says no. If it is a question the answer is yes.

      And what about willful ignorance?

      When ignorance is willful it's a different topic. You can't punish someone for not doing something you never told or trained them to do. On the flip side If you have provided train, training records, policy documents, confirmed people understand the policy and then it still happens, we're no longer punishing idiots for not using computers right, but punishing employees who breached company / school policy.

      Fundamentally my point is that a lot of people will scapegoat this issue with the person who got caught without actually solving the institutional problem that put them in that position in the first place.

  24. Save Ferris by craigwilkie · · Score: 2

    Bueller. Bueller. Bueller.

    Mind you, he never got caught.

  25. Don't punish him, hire him! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like he'd be good for pen testing, which ALL organizations need more of...

  26. Drunk on power, unaccountable, cruel by Reverend+Green · · Score: 2

    Have these law enforcers gone completely mad? They charged a fucking schoolboy with 14 "felonies" for cheating on his grades. That's an outrageous abuse of office. I say let the little boy off, and lock up the deranged & dangerous law enforcer who laid those preposterous charges.

    1. Re:Drunk on power, unaccountable, cruel by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      No, what he did were violations of the laws meant to catch hackers which by the looks of things he did. He launched a Phishing attack which worked. He also spread the love around with altering the grades of 10 to 15 other students and in some cases lowering grades of some of them. He's now been suspended, faces court dates and his parents will have to cough up a few thousand dollars, maybe 10s' of thousands to keep him out of prison.

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      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
    2. Re: Drunk on power, unaccountable, cruel by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Yeah police state! Gulag FTW!

    3. Re: Drunk on power, unaccountable, cruel by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      I'm sure Aaron Swartz would agree with that but he can't.

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      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
    4. Re:Drunk on power, unaccountable, cruel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are a nation of laws. If he doesn't like our laws don't come to our country.

    5. Re: Drunk on power, unaccountable, cruel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The kid is an American, you authoritarian shit stain.

    6. Re: Drunk on power, unaccountable, cruel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure Aaron Swartz would agree with that but he can't.

      Yes, because he chose the quick, easy, and cowardly way out before even finding out what the alternative was.

    7. Re: Drunk on power, unaccountable, cruel by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Gloating over the suicide of a hero?

    8. Re: Drunk on power, unaccountable, cruel by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      Hero? Gloating? no, he's a footnote and a demonstration that the CFAA hasn't changed since his death. Until the law is changed arguing over its merits or abuses is a waste of time.

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      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
  27. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

    That there is even a small chance a schoolboy might be tossed in the Gulag for cheating on his grades, brings the Law itself into ridicule and disrepute.

  28. lucky! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we should be lucky he only did what he did and did not start a nuclear war!

  29. Oh no.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..better to just bury him alive strapped into a chair and a Hannibal Lecter mask. Society will be wayyyyy safer then /extreme_sarcasm

  30. Bad security then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if a student gets the login info for a teacher here, only a few subset of computers on a separate network are able to even access the portal for grades, because that stuff is governmental here, can't be anywhere near a public network.
    So if he were to login from his home or other computers in school with the logins, he'd basically just get a very "basic" version of the portal, similar to what students gets. Heck teachers aren't even allowed to being exams home either, they have to grade them in school.

  31. Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck him. On behalf of all of us who worked hard in school, as well as those of us who slacked but never cheated, I hope he gets his butt fucked in prison.

  32. That's 'Murica for you by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The US system lacks a sense of proportion.

    That describes most everything about America a good proportion of the time. We spend more on our military than the next 8 largest military budget combined despite there being no objective reason to do so. We spend more on our health care than anyone else and get worse results. We spend more on prison than anyone else and get worse results. We went to the moon just to to beat the Russians for bragging rights and haven't gone back since. Whether something actually works or not never seems to dent the consciousness of our "leaders".

  33. Good politics but terrible policy by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Prisons help some by keeping criminals off the street

    Not when you put FAR more people into the prisons than necessary. The notion that more prisons = fewer criminals is good politics but terrible policy.

  34. Excessive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I won't say his life is effectively over, but, it kind of is.

    There was a similar incident when I was a kid about 20 years ago. The perpetrator was expelled and not charged with a crime, but it permanently altered the direction of his life. He could have had a promising tech career, but he ended up pursuing something different which never really went anywhere. My point is this kid's life will be forever altered even without 14 felonies.

    This reminds me of the meme with a photo of a police officer and the caption "Drugs can ruin your life. If I catch you with drugs I will ruin your life."

  35. My prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This high schooler will probably get 20 years behind bars instead of being taught a reasonable lesson and channeling his/her skills in a more productive direction.

  36. Spirit of the law. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are 100% IDIOT.

    A Minor, who in effect was simply cheating on exams. is grounds for suspensions. This situation is only slightly different and is the same in spirit.

    Expelled would be a reasonable punishment, and the law was not intended for this reason.

    1. Re: Spirit of the law. by reanjr · · Score: 1

      If a minor held a teacher at gunpoint to change their grades, would that make it a school issue and not a criminal one?

  37. Let me take a guess.. by nucrash · · Score: 1

    The individual who perpetrated these crimes might be non-white, hence, they are going to throw the book at him.

    I could be wrong, but this just seems to fit a narrative. If the perpetrator is white, well then, the person will likely get lenient sentencing.

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    Place something witty here
    1. Re:Let me take a guess.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah those right wing klan assholes in California. Next they'll want sanctuary cities for white people.

    2. Re:Let me take a guess.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His name is David Rotaro, and he looks pretty damned light-skinned. In fact, he kinda looks like the pimply love-child of Justin Beiber and Ryan Gosling. More importantly, I think it says far more about you talking about a narrative, etc.. when you don't even know the facts of the case.

      So please, next time before you "guess" and start spewing your biased agenda like explosive diarrhea from a donkey's distended asshole, how about you do a simple fucking google search? Idiot.

    3. Re:Let me take a guess.. by PPH · · Score: 1

      So please, next time before you "guess" and start spewing your biased agenda

      Hey! Go easy on the PP. Maybe he's just practicing running for the presidency.

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      Have gnu, will travel.
    4. Re:Let me take a guess.. by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      Aaron Swartz doesn't fit your statement.

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      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
  38. Re:Breaking news!! Tesla crash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, another executive took a sabbatical, and a second was poached by a competitor!

  39. Do you even English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe my parser is broken.

  40. Intelligence vs. wisdom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is an example of the difference between intelligence and wisdom.

    The kid is obviously intelligent, if he was able to do this. But he's not wise.

    If he hadn't pulled this stunt, he could have gotten a good IT job after college (if not right out of high school). But now he might go to jail, and who will hire him when gets out of jail?

    Intelligence: I can do this clever task.

    Wisdom: Is it a good idea to do that task? Or would it be better if I didn't do it?

  41. I'm more concerned about the teachers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's 2018 and they can't spot a phishing expedition? Should such stupid people be in charge of teaching our youth?

  42. Believe it or not, engaging in fraud is actually illegal. No matter how dumb you think they are.

    And if you just "slap on the wrist", there's little disincentive to do it.

  43. Seven Lesson Schoolteacher by John Gatto... & by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    ...who was a New York Teacher Of The Year: http://www.informationliberati...
    "Look again at the seven lessons of schoolteaching: confusion, class position, indifference, emotional and intellectual dependency, conditional self-esteem, surveillance -- all of these things are prime training for permanent underclasses, people deprived forever of finding the center of their own special genius. And over time this training has shaken loose from its own original logic: to regulate the poor. For since the 1920s the growth of the school bureaucracy, and the less visible growth of a horde of industries that profit from schooling exactly as it is, has enlarged this institution's original grasp to the point that it now seizes the sons and daughters of the middle classes as well.
        Is it any wonder Socrates was outraged at the accusation that he took money to teach? Even then, philosophers saw clearly the inevitable direction the professionalization of teaching would take, preempting the teaching function, which belongs to everyone in a healthy community. "

    See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    "In the United States, the school-to-prison pipeline (SPP), also known as the school-to-prison link or the schoolhouse-to-jailhouse track, is the disproportionate tendency of minors and young adults from disadvantaged backgrounds to become incarcerated, because of increasingly harsh school and municipal policies. Many experts have credited factors such as school disturbance laws, zero tolerance policies and practices, and an increase in police in schools in creating the pipeline. This has become a hot topic of debate in discussions surrounding educational disciplinary policies as media coverage of youth violence and mass incarceration has grown during the early 21st century."

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  44. From Bullies to Buddies by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    Maybe of interest: https://bullies2buddies.com/

    From the website: "What the [Golden Rule] really means is, We should be nice to people even when they are mean to us. ... The [Golden Rule] is the therefore the ultimate empowerment. It is the solution to being a victim. A victim reacts. A victim's behavior is therefore controlled by the bully. But in order to not be a victim, we must act independently of the bully's actions. We treat them like friends even when they treat us like enemies. And that way we end up controlling them."

    Essentially, from a cybernetic perspective, Bullies to Buddies treats bullying as a positive feedback cycle between bully's taunts and victim's responses/rewards and trains victims in how to reduce the amplification of that cycle -- including through the use of humor. Doesn't work in all situations (e.g. the bully is just crazy) but is intended for run-of-the-mill bullying.

    Why train the victim and not the bully? Because the victim is more motivated to change.

    Some of the instructional videos are quite amusing as Izzy Kalman demonstrates the escalating cycle and the alternative.

    He also explains how these techniques can be beneficial in the workplace and in marriages.
    https://bullies2buddies.com/re...

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    1. Re:From Bullies to Buddies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From experience, it's much more satisfying to brain said bully with a 2x4 or otherwise massively escalate violence.

      Equally effective if not more so, and depending on locale, if done young enough, virtually consequence free.

      People are apes, and they act like them, especially children. The ape that figures out the rock over the head deals with the alpha male first wins.

    2. Re:From Bullies to Buddies by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Essentially, from a cybernetic perspective, Bullies to Buddies treats bullying as a positive feedback cycle between bully's taunts and victim's responses/rewards and trains victims in how to reduce the amplification of that cycle -- including through the use of humor. Doesn't work in all situations (e.g. the bully is just crazy) but is intended for run-of-the-mill bullying.

      Eh. Sounds like it's setting kids up for depression and therapy - "Billy's bullying you? Just be nicer to him or even do him favors at school!" A kid who internalizes this idea may soon think the problem isn't the bully, but that he's not bending over backwards far enough to be nice to the bully in the face of the abuse. And what if the bully doesn't have his come-to-Jesus moment and just gets nastier? If he wasn't looking to provoke a response or make someone look like shit, he(she) wouldn't be a bully in the first place.

    3. Re:From Bullies to Buddies by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      A lot of people have the same reaction -- but in the right situation the advice can work to break the feedback cycle where bullies are rewarded for their bullying. From one Amazon review: "When my son was in sixth grade he was being bullied at school. He was miserable - didn't want to go to school, and would cry as he walked to school in the morning. Although the principal recommended that parents report incidents of bullying so that they could deal with it, our son refused, saying that getting adults involved "would only make things worse". So we decided to use the Bullies to Buddies program, which doesn't require adult intervention - it simply teaches kids how not to be victims. All I can say is - it worked like a charm. In three weeks time, our son went from miserable to running out the door in the morning with a smile on his face - and it may sound corny, but to our utter amazement his "bully" turned into a "buddy" - they started hanging out together! That never would have happened if we had contacted the school or the other parents involved. I also like the concepts this program teaches kids - to solve their own problems, and not place so much importance on what other people say - ideas that will serve them well through their whole lives. I know this is a somewhat controversial program because it doesn't focus on the bully at all - it's up to the "victim" to change his or her behavior. But as a parent, I'm more interested in what works than in psychological theories or school policies. If your child has a problem with bullying, this program is worth considering."

      That does not sound like a kid who will be on a lifetime of antidepressants to me.

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    4. Re:From Bullies to Buddies by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      There any data to back this up? Because so far this sounds like Alcoholics Anonymous or Prosperity Gospel - "look at how great it's worked out for some people!" But you step back and look at results and its pretty much rubbish.

      Say you have 100 kids in this Buddies for Bully program and it runs out of money. So you tell the kids to start wearing red socks to school because that will keep the bullies away. Ten of the kids may report an end to the bullying in a month or two - but does it have relation to the socks they put on? And there's still the risk this program would make things worse for some kids - is it worth it if 20 report being better off, but five end up on drugs, two start cutting themselves, and one kid hangs himself?

  45. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by imperious_rex · · Score: 1

    Just because I explained the reality of the situation doesn't mean I find it acceptable. Until the system is reformed (and I hope it happens), this is the cold reality of what the so-called "justice" system has now become. What do you want me to do about it? Scream, cry, and have a temper tantrum? Move to a more enlightened country?

    Hey, if you think plea-bargaining is an outrage, then you'll loooove civil asset forfeiture. Here's a link to get you started. Enjoy! :-)

    The US judicial system has more similarities with witch trials than actual justice.
    On that, we can both agree. It's all about the money. Saving it (plea bargaining) and making it (civil asset forfeiture).

  46. Unless he is charged as an ADULT by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    His record won't show up, when he's an adult.

  47. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by Kjella · · Score: 2

    You don't think maybe there is a problem with the legal system when this is a thing?

    Plea bargaining is not bad, it's the American mockery of it. Here in Norway a typical plea length is ~80% of what the prosecution will ask for at trial, which seem sufficient for the vast majority of cases where the evidence is compelling. It's not worth gambling on a 1% technicality, while if they're trying to bring a dubious case to trial the risk of the full 100% is not going to scare off the innocent. In the US it's more like we have this scrap of evidence of a misdemeanor, take this plea bargain for 3 months or we'll try to put you away for 30 years. There should be a law that told the jury what plea bargain the defendant got and refused, maybe the at-trial convictions would not be so crazy. Because the problem is juries are often willing to "upsold" to say maybe not 30 but 10 years where even that is ridiculous.

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  48. The original by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    The original Ferris Bueler's Day Off where he didn't go to jail was better.

  49. Secret Service? by Sperbels · · Score: 1

    Don't they have better things to do than catching teens changing their grades?

    1. Re:Secret Service? by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      The Secret Service has the investigative responsibility per 18 USC 1030 (d) (1)

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    2. Re:Secret Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I don't see it. There's no computer of the US government's involved. Unless they're hanging their hat on him hosting the phishing web site in a state other than Cali, I don't see how the federal government has any jurisdiction here at all. However, TFA says he was charged with felonies but not that they were federal felonies which would make sense if the SS was just consulting, which the article implies.

  50. Any school that has unsecured computers by jd · · Score: 1

    Should be fined to within an inch of their collective lives. There is no excuse for having a system vulnerable to phishing. Class III digital certificates and IPSec would be completely immune to phishing scams. Authentication via Kerberos would be beyond most teens.

    Any member of staff that falls for phishing should be fired on the spot.

    Any exam system that allows you to modify grades directly should be quietly buried in a landfill. A given answer gets a given mark. Actually, in the U.S., it's mostly multiple guess. The relative mark is thus fixed.

    Only in countries with normalized grades for a region should allow the mean and standard deviation to be entered.

    Excuses are reasonable, but whilst they can rationalize a grade, the grade is still the grade.

    You're better off abandoning exams, but if you're going to have them then do it right.

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    1. Re:Any school that has unsecured computers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you're dreaming. Education IT departments are generally composed of underpaid, overworked, IT generalists who are concerned with exactly two things: keeping people from complaining and appearing to stay in compliance with (the usually federal) laws and regulations. Unless your suggestions are required by law or stop people from bitching, I wouldn't bet on seeing it any time soon.

      True story: when I went to register my first child for freshman year at my very large, very affluent school high school we were expected to complete part of the process "on-line" while we were there. Unprepared for this, we didn't know/remember any of the account login information. "No problem," they said "just walk over to that desk there and have the friendly IT helper look up your userid and plaintext password on the printed stack of papers sitting on that desk!"

      I went home that night and changed my password to "STOP STORING PASSWORDS IN PLAIN TEXT YOU IDIOTS!"

  51. Lying to a girl in the bar? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So last night when I lied to a pretty girl in the bar that I was wealthier than I am or have done things I have not done in an attempt to seduce her is also a felony? What is next...death penalty for lying about one's weight?

  52. The password ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... was "pencil" (no quotes).

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  53. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you completely misread me, and I probably did the same with yours. I got the impression you were saying "the system is broken, but there is no other way". Way too common that people just look at how things are "at home", and assume that's the only way.

    If it came off as me jumping all over you, sorry, wasn't the intention.

  54. He will be released ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... very soon.

    Turns out, he's on the fast track to be the new front man for WikiLeaks and stuff.

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  55. Similar case a few years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone know how this one turned out? https://www.geek.com/g00/geek-cetera/florida-teen-arrested-for-changing-teachers-desktop-background-1620144/?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3D&i10c.ua=1&i10c.dv=14

  56. Phishing is not hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will non-technical people stop writing up tech?
    He's no technologist he's a young con man.
    Phishing is not hacking (or cracking for that matter)...

  57. Relevant Skills by bigdavex · · Score: 2

    Maybe he can hack in and reduce it to 1 misdemeanor?

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  58. Maybe you have never heard of the United States... by gosand · · Score: 1

    This is where a police officer can shoot and kill an unarmed person and not get charged with a crime, fired, or let alone lose any pay or be reprimanded.
    Lawyers always win. They write the laws, and the laws on top of those laws, to ensure that they will always be employed. No matter what the charge, or the crime, you can be assured that lawyers will always come out on top. Funny how that works.

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  59. Prison?! Should be put in special honors classes by SinisterEVIL · · Score: 1

    Stifle the genius, great work everyone involved.

  60. Lower Class Minorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Count the economically depressed minorities and the US is actually doing better than most of the EU.

  61. Haters need to stfu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For all of you saying this kid deserves to be a felon, fuck off. You've clearly never dealt with the legal system in any meaningful way. This poor kid is shitting himself right now thinking about years of psychological and physical torture. He'd be barred from participating in society for the rest of his life. He'll probably be raped in there and he'll definitely be assaulted by inmates and guards. What kind of person do you think he'll be when he does get out? You want another French revolution? Go ahead and keep handing out felonies like Halloween candy. Treating people like this is in no way good for society. He's innocent until proven guilty and you're already willing to lock him up and throw away the key. Despicable. I wonder how fast you'd change your tune if it was your ass on the line?

    1. Re:Haters need to stfu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get out? LOL. He'll never get out. He won't last two days. First they will rape all of his orifices, nostrils included, and then they will carve new holes into his body. He'll become a rape puppet and a human toilet. Thankfully his suffering will be short because he'll either kill himself or he'll die from the terrifying abuses.

      French revolution? Bring it on. Love to see that happen. Bunch of losers go rioting in the streets, white phosphorous shells rain down, bunch of losers light up in flames. A couple of minutes and the screaming will stop. Wanna play revolution again, losers? We're standing here.

    2. Re: Haters need to stfu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's we? Revolution isn't disorganized riots. I'm sure the police are going to keep working when the economy shuts down and shit gets real. When people have nothing to lose dying isn't much of a threat. I like that your answer to revolt is to crush people using war criminal tactics. Consent of the governed is clearly not a concept you've explored. Governance through the threat of force is completely illegitimate. You sound like someone who read 1984 and identified with the ingsoc. Why don't you run for office as the dystopian party candidate.

  62. Just a script kiddie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone hire him? He's just a script kiddie. Not like he wrote the keylogger phishing tool or whatever he used.

  63. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sentencing is almost always done by a judge, not a jury.
    The jury's decision is whether or not the elements of the charge have been proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

  64. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43461521 - (The teenager sentenced to 241 years in prison)
    "I knew I was guilty of the case, but I always thought I had a better chance with the jury. As a 17-year-old, I still wasn't thinking clearly. But at the time, that's what I was thinking."

    A lot hinges on the advice you are given. If you can afford a good lawyer, you get good advice. If not, you either take what the prosecution is offering, or take your chances in court. The deck is stacked heavily against you, and the prosecutor heaves everything he has, both to bolster his standing and to show people what happens when they don't take the deal that's on offer.

  65. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    And how do you propose to solve it? Trials cost millions because we want them to be accurate. We could presumably hires a bunch of high school dropouts and illegals to run trials for you for cents on the dollars, but then are they going to be as accurate as just having police threaten criminals into confessions?

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  66. Re: Harsh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the civic duty of every citizen to ensure that justice is done. The ultimate expression of that is generally sitting in a jury box, but the general principle applies at every level. If more people decided to act in loco parentis instead of calling the cops, there'd be a lot less messed-up kids working their way through prison.

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  68. Avoiding the real issue again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another life ruined to avoid fixing the real issue. 14 felonies is excessive for some under age hacking. What about the idiot end users who keep clicking on email links? They should be punished and shamed for falling for the kid's email scam too, not just the kid. This is a wasted opportunity to educate the kid in the good ways he could be using his skills. Now he's just going to hate society and keep hacking it.

  69. Re:Before everybody gets too worked up about this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how do you propose to solve it? Trials cost millions because we want them to be accurate.

    Not true.

    The reason trials in the USA cost lots of money is because of ethics problems in US law and government. The cost of the criminal justice system in other developed countries is substantially lower - and they have a lot fewer people in prison. For example, many developed countries (including a bunch of EU nations) spend around 25% what the USA does on courts or prisons (2004,Farrell and Clark).

    Economists estimate that at least half the income of the US legal profession comes from ethics problems such as rent-seeking (The Captured Economy). US lawyers are pulling in too much money relative to the key economic statistics when compared with other developed countries - it's a lot like the problem with US health care. There's probably legal ethics problems in other countries - so this is clearly an underestimate.

    There are many things you could do to speed up the process, while still having it be reasonable. For example, you could force the prosecutor to pick one charge in situations where currently they can attack on many charges. There's no need to be stacking up lots of different offences for one period in a person's life - and hence putting them in multiple jeopardy.

    From the lawyer's perspective, stacking offences is useful because it makes trials longer and it increases the demand for the services of their profession. But that doesn't mean that stacking in the interests of society. If somebody commits murder, who cares if they also robbed a bank?

    Similarly, there's no reason to allow prosecution for the same offence under both federal and state law.

    You could also limit the amount of time the prosecution has to put on a case (subject to extension by the judge to reflect any time spent by the defence). The defence would get the same amount of time.

    The dual rights to ethical government and ethical practice of law can be asserted under the 9th Amendment, as rights "retained by the people". It follows that the current system - which has massive ethics problems involving both the legal profession and the government - exists in violation of the Bill of Rights - the highest law in the land - and hence is an illegal system. Reform is required for the government to be in compliance with the law - and is long overdue.

  70. LPT by ponraul · · Score: 1

    Now that's what I call a LIFE HACK.

  71. Bullies to Buddies Study Results by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    That's a good question. The best I see so far from a quick search is satisfaction survey results posted on the website with a lot of "very helpful" results ( https://bullies2buddies.com/do... ) and a decade-old pilot study that shows negligible results from a brief training ( https://www.psychologytoday.co... ). One confounding factor obvious from the pilot study is that kids undergoing the Bullies to Buddies training are less likely to report incidents -- meaning ideally the evaluation should be done other than by self-reports. I agree it would be good to have more recent and more extensive studies of the Bullies to Buddies program. You are right to point to AA as an example of a social movement not being backed by evidence and perhaps pushing out other better options for many people.

    Ultimately, there are quite a few "knobs" one could theoretically tweak to reduce bullying in schools, including:
    * educate the Victim (Bullies to Buddies or a different approach)
    * educate the Bully (most bully training materials)
    * educate the Bystander (also, most bully training materials)
    * educate the Adults -- Teachers/Administrators/Parents
    * general custom emotion coaching for every kid (like say done at the Albany Free School http://www.albanyfreeschool.or... ),
    * make it possible for the victim to walk away (e.g. more alternative education options including freeschooling and homeschooling)
    * make the environment more interesting and less stressful so kids have many other things to do than taunt each other
    * change the nature of the schooling system and teaching so it does not itself model authotarianism/bullying e.g. John Taylor Gatto's writings like (http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=11375)
    * de-emphasize competition and promote cooperation (like Alfie Kohn suggests https://www.alfiekohn.org/cont... ) or pursue other ways of reducing needless stress in school like eliminating homework ( https://www.alfiekohn.org/dwh/ ) and grades ( https://www.alfiekohn.org/arti... )
    * improve nutrition for everyone ("Omega-3, junk food and the link between violence and what we eat (Research with British and US offenders suggests nutritional deficiencies may play a key role in aggressive behavior" https://www.theguardian.com/po... )
    * reduce the stress on families by progressive economics (better-paying jobs, basic income, universal health insurance, bugger tax credits to families with children, and so on)
    * other?

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