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Trump Personally Pushed Postmaster General To Double Rates on Amazon, Other Firms: Report (washingtonpost.com)

President Trump personally urged the leader of the U.S. Postal Service to double the rates the agency charges Amazon and other firms for delivery packages in several private conversations in 2017 and 2018, The Washington Post reported Friday (alternative source). From the report: Postmaster General Megan Brennan has so far resisted Trump's demand, explaining in multiple conversations occurring this year and last that these arrangements are bound by contracts and must be reviewed by a regulatory commission, the three people said. She has told the president that the Amazon relationship is beneficial for the Postal Service and gave him a set of slides that showed the variety of companies, in addition to Amazon, that also partner for deliveries.

Despite these presentations, Trump has continued to level criticism at Amazon. And last month, his critiques culminated in the signing of an executive order mandating a government review of the financially strapped Postal Service that could lead to major changes in the way it charges Amazon and others for package delivery. Few U.S. companies have drawn Trump's ire as much as Amazon, which has rapidly grown to be the second-largest U.S. company in terms of market capitalization. For more than three years, Trump has fumed publicly and privately about the giant commerce and services company and its founder Jeffrey P. Bezos, who is also the owner of The Washington Post.

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  1. Won't that just push... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Won't that just push Amazon to set up their own private courier services? Not that I feel sympathy for either side of this fight.

    1. Re:Won't that just push... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Firstly, they do have their own private courier service.

      Second, if USPS suddenly is pushed by the Administration or whatever upon which the Administration manages to lean, it will become more-expensive than FedEx, UPS, DHL, and so forth. The other clients will then go to those lower-cost providers. Then the USPS will go bankrupt, like the three casinos Trump managed to trash.

    2. Re:Won't that just push... by willaien · · Score: 2

      In several markets, Amazon already does have their own carrier services known as AMZL. They even market it out as a public courier service in India.

    3. Re:Won't that just push... by Altus · · Score: 2

      Plus the service provided by the USPS is not nearly as reliable as the other providers. My previous employer tried moving from Fedex to a Fedex/USPS last mile solution and the result was a huge increase in missed deliveries. For amazon this might not be a big deal, the cost of replacing the lost items might not be higher than the saving of using USPS but for my employer, with a limited inventory of items that are produced in one off batches, it was unacceptable. If the cost of USPS goes up and the quality of service does not, it might not have to get more expensive than Fedex before Amazon decides its not worth it anymore.

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    4. Re:Won't that just push... by superdude72 · · Score: 5, Informative

      FedEx and UPS often just handle the long-haul portion of a shipment and rely on the USPS for delivery from a USPS distribution center to a customer. If the USPS goes away. FedEx and UPS will not take its place. We'll all just be stuck with very expensive, not very convenient shipping.

    5. Re: Won't that just push... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People only look at what is right in front of them. Last mile delivery is the toughest and most expensive to coordinate. USPS owns that. USPS is public. Trump hates public services.

      Here's what's going to happen

      Trump "penalizes" USPS, cheerleaders are on his side. Amazon responds by furthering its last mile push. Amazon establishes independent and underpaid delivery drivers who run last mile using their own vehicles. Eventually Amazon will be pushed to use a fleet due to the same pressures uber is facing.

      USPS is pushed to the side leaving Amazon Road or whatever the fuck they'll call it to do the majority of last mile for the country. Trump and Bezos laugh together at a cocktail party years later about how they privitazed a public service and used the public dime to do it.

    6. Re:Won't that just push... by mark_reh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What sort of "like, really smart... and very stable genius" manages to lose money in the gambling industry?

    7. Re:Won't that just push... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the USPS is bankrupted, then the gov can claim the pension accounts, while the poor job they made of delivering the mail can be picked up by private enterprise, boosting the economy! Win-Win! #MAGA!

    8. Re:Won't that just push... by thomn8r · · Score: 2

      Privatizing the USPS has been a Republican wet dream for years.

    9. Re:Won't that just push... by gatfirls · · Score: 2

      One that takes out a 600million$ loan(bonds) at ~16% interest, because banks wouldn't ouch them with a 10 foot pole..

    10. Re:Won't that just push... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Listen to the "Trump Inc" podcast.

      I don't think making money from the casinos was ever a central part of the plan.

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    11. Re:Won't that just push... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      FedEx and UPS often just handle the long-haul portion of a shipment and rely on the USPS for delivery from a USPS distribution center to a customer.

      FedEx and UPS were doing that stuff, prior to an agreement which amounted to a bailout for the USPS which requires them to hand off most small packages to the USPS for final delivery. They do get something out of it, though; those packages can be delivered to mailboxes, unlike when FedEx and UPS drop them off, because the USPS has a monopoly on delivering to your mailbox.

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    12. Re:Won't that just push... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's really hard to lose money in the gambling business. You'd have to be very special to lose money in that business.

    13. Re: Won't that just push... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What? It's the toughest and most expensive to coordinate, and USPS is losing money on it.

      What makes you think Trump hates public services? Reducing the avenue for special interests to exploit and bankrupt public services would indicate the opposite.

    14. Re: Won't that just push... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      We need something better than home delivery. It's inconvenient, most people are at work while it happens anyway. Stuff gets lost/stolen/wet. Lack of time means even if you are in they often don't bother to ring the bell or just lob it in your garden.

      I get most stuff delivered to work. We have Amazon lockers. Maybe USPS could consider a low cost deliver-to-locker system? Drive through collection with mobile app that tells them when you get near so the package is taken off the shelf and waiting.

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    15. Re: Won't that just push... by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      Maybe USPS could consider a low cost deliver-to-locker system? Drive through collection with mobile app that tells them when you get near so the package is taken off the shelf and waiting.

      Most department stores here do click and collect (ie organise delivery to their store for pickup) and some also do click and send (ie drop anything off to post), and pretty much every shopping centre has delivery lockers. So I think the home delivery business is already on its way out.

    16. Re:Won't that just push... by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      Listen to the "Trump Inc" podcast.

      I don't think making money from the casinos was ever a central part of the plan.

      Why don't you share with us the main points, because it's making money is Trump sole reason for living.

    17. Re:Won't that just push... by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 1

      His point is that Trump himself made tons of money, being paid a hefty salary out of the LLC while the casino lost huge amounts of money. Trump also got a huge payout from taking the casino public and personally pushing the stock, despite a junk rating.

      Trump has repeatedly used his charisma and his lack of morality to take advantage of suckers and bankroll poorly-managed projects that he extracts wealth from before they collapse. When he was still able to get financing, he just gambled with other peoples money while skimming some off the top. Nowadays, given that virtually no reputable financial institution will loan his company money, Trump Inc has essentially become a money laundering operation for dirty cash extracted from Eastern European governments.

    18. Re:Won't that just push... by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      Right, well that actually makes a lot of sense. What I find odd is that previously tough Republican leaders just roll over and allow this to happen?

    19. Re:Won't that just push... by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 1

      If your top priority is energizing the (shrinking) Republican base, then supporting Trump no matter what he does is probably your best bet. That's the calculus of the Republican leadership anyway. It remains to be seen if this is a winning long-term strategy. Given that I'm both liberal-minded and a supporter of centrist Democrats, I banking on that strategy falling to pieces as younger, more liberal voters continue to become more relevant than older, whiter voters that are more susceptible to xenophobic propaganda.

    20. Re:Won't that just push... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Wait, I thought it was legal to put mail in a mailbox if and only if you put a USPS stamp on it first. Stuff that's not a mailbox doesn't count--such as your mail slot or the non-US-Mail-approved letter boxes in your apartment (yep! They're fair game!).

    21. Re:Won't that just push... by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      No doubt the world is shifting the the centre (ie a mix of capitalism and socialism that produces the maximum benefit for all). The old world extreme left is dead (even China and Russia accept that), but for some reason the extreme right won't let go of old fashioned viewpoints. I guess it's the main flaw with being conservative is that conservative means resistant to new ideas, so it takes longer for them to be accepted. As you say this will happen naturally as old people die off, so maybe we just have to be patient.

    22. Re: Won't that just push... by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      And why do you believe that the taxpayers should subsidise merchandise delivery?

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  2. If not with USPS, then they will use Fedex or UPS by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am sorry the company CEO is hurting the Presidents fragile Ego. But shouldn't he be Mr. Business man? Who looks at the big picture and works to make profitable deals no matter what your personal feelings are to the other person? Just as long as Amazon and like companies are not being charged at a loss at such bulk rates this is money to the USPS system, that isn't going to its competitors of FedEx and UPS. Doubling the Rates will not hurt Amazon that much, It will just hurt the USPS because Amazon will just move to the next cheapest shipping method.

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  3. Trump is personally going to Prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He'll put his personal touch into 6x9 feet of the luxurious Trump Wing at Leavenworth Downs. Treason is not too strong a word.

  4. Demand curve by hawguy · · Score: 5, Informative

    You'd think that as a self-professed "businessman", Trump would understand how demand curves work -- if you double the price of a product, demand decreases, if other suppliers (UPS, Fedex, Ontrac, Amazon's own service, etc) can deliver for less, then the postoffice loses out on income for a business that costs very little to provide when they are already sending workers out to every address.

    Though I'd be happy to see Amazon stop using the USPS -- they are the least reliable of all of the other services Amazon uses, packages sometimes show up days after they were marked "delivered", or don't show up at all. I fairly often get packages meant for neighbors, I assume this is the source of the delayed packages.

    Fedex and UPS are the best, packages show up on time. Amazon's own delivery service has been ok, but seem to have a high number of rescheduled deliveries when they've run out of time to deliver. Maybe I'm on the end of the route.

    1. Re:Demand curve by circularWaffle · · Score: 1

      Simply stated: I agree. Thanks for a well thought-out post

    2. Re: Demand curve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Trump isn't a business man. No business man worth his salt could lose money on a casino. He's also not pro business as we can see from this asking his many other feuds with the business community

    3. Re: Demand curve by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Wasn't that casino mostly paid for by other investors? If you're a little bit crooked and play your cards right, you can make money on failures if you get other people to invest significant amounts.

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    4. Re:Demand curve by DoktorMidnight · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If that man has ever deigned to gaze upon a demand-curve (or any other form of graphed data) and actually understood it, then I am bear in the woods who is also the Pope.

    5. Re:Demand curve by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trump is making policy decisions based on personal grudges and personal vendettas, his ego is blinding him to facts.

    6. Re:Demand curve by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Amazon is a horrible monopoly and is killing small businesses. It needs to be trust-busted.

      That's a slippery slope and there are a lot of monopolies and oligopolies that need to be broken up if you really want a fair market place.

      But if you really think Amazon needs to be broken up, you don't break up a monopoly by forcing one of their shippers to raise rates.

    7. Re:Demand curve by Streetlight · · Score: 1

      ... Though I'd be happy to see Amazon stop using the USPS -- they are the least reliable of all of the other services Amazon uses, packages sometimes show up days after they were marked "delivered", or don't show up at all. ...

      This may depend on where one lives and the mail box situation. Where I live we have community mail boxes that are locked when a package is delivered. Only the USPS has access to these boxes so there's some security involved. Packages aren't just dropped on the front step and stolen by people following the mail carrier or the mail carrier's truck. Not everyone has this advantage but I'd recommend groups of neighbors to set up community postal boxes. It's easy to do.

      I've never had a miss delivered package from the USPS. Besides, I've received packages from Amazon on Sunday delivered by USPS and I'm pretty sure Fed EX ground doesn't deliver on Sunday, but not sure about UPS.

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    8. Re:Demand curve by nine-times · · Score: 1

      He's not a businessman, but he plays one on TV.

      But seriously, he's not a businessman. He's a guy who inherited a fortune from his father, ran up debts, ran his businesses into the ground, and didn't pay his bills. He had become famous for being a failure until a reality TV show started selling him as a businessman. At that point, "Trump" started making a bunch of money for their branding, but claiming that Trump's company is making money because of his shrewd business judgement is like saying Disney makes money because of Mickey Mouse's smart decisions.

      He's a mascot. He doesn't understand anything except how to stir up a crowd of people who don't know any better.

    9. Re:Demand curve by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      And making policy decisions based on personal grudges should be an impeachable offense and a criminal action.

    10. Re: Demand curve by gatfirls · · Score: 1

      Yup. Bonds at ~16% interest @600million. There's an absolutely zero chance that whole project wasn't about side deals and whatnot. There was never any way the casino was going to make enough to even cover the interest, roughly 8 million a month. .

    11. Re:Demand curve by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      If any POTUS is not acting in the interests of the United States then yes I'd agree with you. He's adding nails to his own political coffin.

    12. Re:Demand curve by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Fedex and UPS are the best, packages show up on time. Amazon's own delivery service has been ok, but seem to have a high number of rescheduled deliveries when they've run out of time to deliver. Maybe I'm on the end of the route.

      The USPS' biggest advantage is they go buy almost every US address everyday so they are perfect to use for the last mile. If Fedex or UPS could get all of Amazon's home deliveries they would be able to address the major issue with home delivery - widely varying routes so there is no way to optimize them. If they know in advance what packages are coming tehy can reduce a lot of that variance. Of course, there still is the "no one home must redeliver" but with Amazon locker they can address that as well. Further down the road, Alexa could tell Amazon if any is home so as to schedule the delivery or skip it. It would be a bit freaky to have Alexa all of a sudden say "Hello (name of person to receive package) are yo home so I can arrange delivery of you r package between x and y today?" They could give every Prime subscriber a free Amazon Dot based on their shipping history if they didn't area have one.

      UPS may be better positioned to pull it off since they, unlike FedEx are one company and thus one truck can handle all the packages.

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    13. Re:Demand curve by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      Trump is making policy decisions based on personal grudges and personal vendettas, his ego is blinding him to facts.

      In Trumpland, there are no such things as facts, all that matters is he perceives himself as the winner and all blame falls elsewhere and thus the narrative must support that.

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    14. Re:Demand curve by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      Trump is not a businessman, he just plays one on TV. His actual profession (before politics) was money-laundering using sketchy real estate deals as a front. Pretending to be a "successful businessman" was just a useful way to explain where all that extra cash came from.

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    15. Re:Demand curve by guruevi · · Score: 1

      USPS is giving Amazon a lot of perks that no other company gets. Sunday delivery, 2 day shipping is forcing USPS in a model that UPS/FedEx is much better at resulting in massive costs to the USPS.

      The problem is that the true cost is shifted from Amazon to the tax payer, while the politicians and unions got to save some local jobs for the time being. USPS debts have skyrocketed, not just because snail mail is dead but because it’s never been profitable for USPS to deliver packages.

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  5. Congrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Congrats, USA. You have elected a petulant child to run the executive branch.

    1. Re: Congrats by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Other presidents have tried to impose their will based on policy beliefs. Trump is dumping on Amazon because he doesn't like how the WSJ reports on him and both are owned by Besos. This is 100% ego.

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  6. funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Donald is going to prison, the question is how deep is Pence's dick in the dirty business of Trump's backside deals?

    1. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by bobbied · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Donald is going to prison, ?

      Neither are, Hillary isn't and Trump isn't going to jail. Everybody needs to stop this so we can get off this crazy partisan train.

      Hillary just needs her security clearance pulled forever along with anybody who didn't report the classified data on the private E-mail system, which is pretty much all her staff. No prison term required.

      Trump hasn't done anything worthy of prison either.

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    2. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's nothing partisan about Republican Robert Mueller being allowed by a Republican Congress and Republican FBI director to continue and finish, come what may, his legitimate and legally appointed investigation into high crimes.

      Donald is going to prison. Donald Junior is going to prison. Others are going to prison. The question as asked, is Mike Pence also in legal jeopardy, stands as the most important thing we do not currently know much if at all.

    3. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Trump hasn't done anything worthy of prison either.

      Are you sure?

      I'd be really surprised if he haven't at least committed tax fraud.

      We also have the deal with Muellers investigation. There are 5 people pleading guilty, fourteen more indicted of which at least one looks guilty enough that a judge found it appropriate to put him in house arrest pending the trial.
      Sure, Trump might be incompetent enough to be completely clueless about everyone he surrounds himself with, but if he were doubt he would be so reluctant to speaking with Mueller.
      Even if he manages to get away with it a lot of people he associated with are going to end up in prison.

    4. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by avandesande · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most tax 'irregularities' are dealt with by fixing the paperwork and paying the back taxes. The IRS only really cares about getting the money that's owed.

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    5. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You literally just chastised others for being partisan and are now proceeding to denigrate a group (liberals) and accuse them of something that is unfounded.

    6. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who says you can't charge a president with a crime?

      I also want you to shut the fuck up. I had to listen to your republitard party piss and moan about Bill Clinton getting a goddamned blowjob for YEARS. But there wasn't a crime was there? So what did they do? Attempt impeachment over lying under oath. They were well on their way to success too. trump has not only lied under oath, on camera, sevral times, but he's also blatantly obstructed justice. THAT is the crime we can get him on. It doesn't matter if the underlying investigation is bullshit or not, you can't obstruct it.

      I really love how you snowflakes whine when you get a dose of your own fucking medicine. Hypocrites every one of ya!

    7. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, You cannot charge a president with a crime while in office.

      Actually, you can. It's against current DOJ guidelines, but that doesn't mean they can't make an exception to their own guidelines if they feel it's appropriate to do so. Then it would be up to the courts to decide if the indictment can stand or not.

      As a hypothetical example, let's imagine that some President decided to walk down 5th avenue in broad daylight, point an assault rifle at a nearby crowd, and summarily murder several dozen people while on live TV. Do you really think that law enforcement would just nod their heads and say "yeah, he committed mass murder, but he's the President so we'll just have to wait until after he's out of office to do anything about it"? That seems very unlikely.

      I don't claim the current situation is comparable to that, but it demonstrates that indicting a President could and would happen under sufficiently dire circumstances.

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    8. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Donald is going to prison, the question is how deep is Pence's dick in the dirty business of Trump's backside deals?

      Keep dreaming.

    9. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Careful what you wish for--you do know that Hillary was a Goldwater Girl, right?

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    10. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      Donald is going to prison, ?

      Neither are, Hillary isn't and Trump isn't going to jail. Everybody needs to stop this so we can get off this crazy partisan train.

      This is probably the biggest threat to national security right now. The deliberate attempts by external forces to divide the nation seem to be working well. Every conversation is reduced to us vs them, and while this continues we all lose.

    11. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by jtgd · · Score: 1

      That may be true for ineptitude, but not for willful tax evasion. They like to make an example out of them to deter anyone from doing that in the future.

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    12. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Careful what you wish for--you do know that Hillary was a Goldwater Girl, right?

      I really like Barry Goldwater! I don't agree with all of his positions, but he was a pragmatist. Many people on the progressive side of the spectrum don't know that he was pro-choice, pro gays in the military, anti-fundamentalist and a proponent of wide separation of church and state. The type of conservative that wanted to let people be people, not hated the other. And he understood that governing was compromise, something that seems to be missing in our modern lack of governance.

      If we could bring people back to life, he'd be my first one. I would then hand him the Jawbone of an ass, and tell him to get to work.

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    13. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Mueller isn't a republican. Get a clue dude. Neither is any of his help, neither is Rosenstein. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Even the NY Times is realizing how illegal Mueller's investigation is and the conduct of the obummer administration. I expect a lot of FBI, CIA, Justice, etc to go to jail over this huge scandal. They'll probably even get Obama himself because he knew. He knew about Russian involvement and did nothing. He knew about it all.

    14. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Most tax 'irregularities' are dealt with by fixing the paperwork and paying the back taxes. The IRS only really cares about getting the money that's owed.

      Tell that to Wesley Snipes, Heidi Fleiss, Teresa & Joe Giudice, Leona Helmsley, Lauryn Hill, Pete Rose, Jeffrey (Ja Rule) Atkins and Darryl Strawberry

      All people who where either unwilling to pay or unable to pay their debts to the IRS. Truly the IRS doesn't come arrest you and toss you into debtor's prison until they have exhausted all other options. Wesley Snipes was an avowed, the IRS is illegal, idiot, who challenged them in public and didn't have the money to pay. They made an example of him.

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    15. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      >You cannot charge a president with a crime while in office.

      What about a führer?

    16. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by bobbied · · Score: 1

      >You cannot charge a president with a crime while in office.

      What about a führer?

      You are going to have to ask Pre-WWII Germany about that, we don't have one of those in our system of government.

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    17. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Clearly you haven't been paying attention.

    18. Re:funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Mueller by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Clearly you haven't been paying attention.

      To the left's crazy mumblings and their calling their opponents Nazis? Nope, not listening to that tripe. I don't listen to crazy folks who have nothing left but to draw inappropriate historical parallels. If you are reduced to making villains out of your opponents like this, you are in trouble as a party because such foolishness only works in the short term. Long term the voters tire of the hyperventilated messaging and stop listening.

      And yes, it works both ways. Trump and his tweeting is a problem too, for the very same reason... Hyperbolae can only carry you so far in any direction before you run out of steam,

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  7. Sour grapes by laughingcoyote · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The USPS is bringing in tons of money through their deals with companies like Amazon. They're not somehow getting screwed. Like in a lot of cases, if you're going to buy a large amount of a product or service, you can generally negotiate to get it at a lower bulk rate. That's not somehow unusual.

    It's essentially guaranteed business for USPS. If they double the rate, I'm sure FedEx, UPS, etc., will be quite happy to carry Amazon's packages instead, and the USPS will wind up being the one that loses.

    But, what's that matter when you've got an ego to feed? This never was about postal rates. This is about Trump not liking Jeff Bezos, because the Washington Post has the gall to call people's attention to it when Trump says something stupid.

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    1. Re:Sour grapes by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      This is about Trump not liking Jeff Bezos, because the Washington Post has the gall to call people's attention to it when Trump says something stupid.

      Citation please?

      http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=trump+attacks+washington+post

    2. Re:Sour grapes by bobbied · · Score: 1

      This is about Trump not liking Jeff Bezos, because the Washington Post has the gall to call people's attention to it when Trump says something stupid.

      Citation please?

      http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=trump+attacks+washington+post

      I was asking for proof Trump has it out for Bozo, which was the theory I was addressing... Everybody knows Trump and the media are banging heads.

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    3. Re:Sour grapes by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

      Given that there's absolutely no reason to dislike the deal, and many companies have similar arrangements with USPS, I can't see any other reason. Trump is not attacking the idea of bulk service contracts in general, just with Amazon, but he's provided no numbers to indicate it's actually a bad deal. Conversely, the USPS has, and the deal is serving them quite well. It's certainly good for Amazon as well, but well, business contracts are usually entered into because both parties stand to benefit from them.

      And Trump has blasted the Washington Post many times, but once again, he could not come up with one single thing that was factually inaccurate in their reporting. Now, if they were reporting something false, he'd have a good case for being pissed off at them, but, well, if the facts make you look bad, that doesn't put the blame on the one who reports those facts...

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    4. Re:Sour grapes by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Except that this vendetta won't hurt Bezos, instead it will hurt the USPS. Which will make some anti-government types happy, who don't really care one way or the other about Bezos but who will be happy to see a government department take a blow.

    5. Re:Sour grapes by guruevi · · Score: 1

      The USPS has never been bringing in lots of money, it’s a service operated at a loss to benefit the tax payer and that hasn’t changed in the last few years.

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  8. Re:Good? by willaien · · Score: 2

    Stopped? USPS is still honoring their contract that still makes them money.

  9. Trump continues to be idiot by presidenteloco · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is NOT news.

    Wake me up when he does something not boneheaded.

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  10. Re:Cool beans by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

    Exactly how insane are you? Amazon have a net profit margin of 3.19% that is far far from "the most profitable company on the earth". E.g Microsoft have 23.57%

  11. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by willaien · · Score: 5, Informative

    They're not subsidizing Amazon. They were turning a mild profit until they were forced to pre-pay pensions by law instead of acting like any other government or private entity.

  12. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by E-Rock · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did you miss the part where the postmaster general said that these arrangements are beneficial to the post office?
    Is there any data to back up your claim that they're losing money on the deal?

  13. Re:hmm by F.Ultra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's less about "fond of multi-bazillionaire captains of industry" and more about understanding how businesses and demand curves work. It's not Amazon that needs protection from Trump here but the USPS which are about to be forced to loose major contracts if Trump will have his way.

  14. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Local+ID10T · · Score: 5, Informative

    The whole issue here is that the USPS is subsidizing Amazon delivery, by charging rates lower than what it actually costs to ship things. Other mail fees are subsidizing Amazon, how is that right???

    That is a lie.
    USPS financial report

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  15. Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This story about the U.S. Postal Service, Amazon/Jeff Bezos, and Donald Trump, is case-in-point as to why he never was Presidential material, why he is not a good President now, and why he never will be a good President, ever: Donald Trump is incapable of de-coupling his ego from his personality when it comes to his duty as President of the United States. The lies, the staffing choices based on personal loyalty and not personal integrity and aptitude, the grandstanding (attention whoring, basically), the temper-tantrums when he doesn't get his way, and decision-making based on personal grudges and personal vendettas (as is the case here specifically) are all anyone with two eyes and a functioning brain need to see that he is not now and won't ever be someone who should have been allowed to be elected in the first place. Never mind that he may well be at least as crooked as Tricky Dick or not (we may never really know, but boy oh boy does it look likely), or that he's flat-out incompetent politically (vis-a-vis Israel/Jerusalem), what we've seen since January 2017 is so far as I and so many others are concerned more than enough evidence that Donald J. Trump as POTUS was one of the worst electoral mistakes in the history of the United States, one that this country will spend decades living down with the rest of the world.

    1. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Donald Trump is incapable of de-coupling his ego from his personality when it comes to his duty as President of the United States.

      I basically said this on another forum a long time ago. My evidence at the time (which is still basically true) was that he initially posts stuff on *his* twitter account and then re-tweets on the POTUS account. Thus, in my opinion, he thinks of himself first and as POTUS second.

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    2. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by jimminy_cricket · · Score: 1

      "he is not now and won't ever be someone who should have been allowed to be elected in the first place."

      Absolutely wrong here. It is critical to the functioning of a non-dictatorial government that be very, very few restrictions on who is allowed to be elected. It is critical because the alternative is that someone must choose who is allowed, and then that person or body is by definition dictatorial. The existing restrictions on who may run for the office of President of the United States are all the restrictions that should exist.

      Certainly sometimes someone gets elected who is undesirable, unqualified, uncooth, etc. But such results pale in significance to the importance of allowing nearly anyone to run for office.

    3. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, when you allow people to enter a political race as a publicity stunt, this is what you get. He obviously didn't actually really think he'd have a chance at becoming president when he entered the race. Now that people have been proven dumb enough to elect him he probably figures why bother following rules or conventional wisdom. If you spout the right words that enough people desperately want to hear someone say, your supporters will rabidly shout down all opposition even when you go off on tangents that have nothing to do with their interests. Even when you can't (or won't) actually do any of the things you say.

      Honestly, I don't blame Trump for any of this. He's doing precisely what everyone was afraid he would really do. I blame anyone still willing to constantly defend his actions. Those are the real monsters.

    4. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by meglon · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter who is offered up if republicans spend 8 years knowing who it's going to be, then abuse their offices to run an 8 year long smear campaign against them. Add that to the fact that the republican base is essentially a bunch of complete fucking morons who can't take responsibility for anything in their life, having the driving need to blame anyone and everyone else for them being limp dicked little bitches, and you have 1/3 of the voting electorate being too fucking stupid not to do what the fascist lying sacks of shit in the GOP "grab-them-by-the-pussy" party tell them to.

      You fucking conservative idiots elected a whiny little bitch to be president.... and i agree, he's a perfect representative of you. Fucking little neo-nazi, piece of shit, enemies of this country.... every fucking one of you.

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    5. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      That's very insightful.

    6. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      If you read my original comment again I think you'll see that Trump is more a symptom of the problem than he is the problem itself; he is the manifestation of the problem. The real problem is the people who voted for him in the first place and the people who backed him as a candidate. None of this however excuses his behavior or lets him off the hook for not being suitable to be POTUS.

    7. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1
      Allow me to quote myself from a comment-on-a-comment above:

      Trump is more a symptom of the problem than he is the problem itself; he is the manifestation of the problem. The real problem is the people who voted for him in the first place and the people who backed him as a candidate. None of this however excuses his behavior or lets him off the hook for not being suitable to be POTUS.

      This is more or less what you're saying -- even if you're obviously very angry about it. I'm angry too -- and more than a little scared for the country.

    8. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Thus, in my opinion, he thinks of himself first and nothing or no one else.

      There, fixed that for you.

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    9. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Trump is more a symptom of the problem than he is the problem itself; he is the manifestation of the problem. The real problem is the people who voted for him in the first place and the people who backed him as a candidate. None of this however excuses his behavior or lets him off the hook for not being suitable to be POTUS.

      It's true that Trump's election is a symptom, but the cause is public frustration with "establishment" Republicans and Democrats, both. People are fed up. They elected Trump as a giant "fuck YOU!" to BOTH the Democrat AND Republican "establishment".

      And, if Trump is still an effective thorn in the sides of both (R) & (D) in 2020, guess who's going to be throwing a reelection gala?

      Strat

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    10. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by meglon · · Score: 1

      The cause is that the GOP party politicians don't give a fuck about this country, they only give a fuck about themselves being in power.... and they're willing to lie with every breath to make that happen. Their base is so willing to be lied to just so they can remain living in their fantasy land bullshit, that they go along with the bullshit no matter how damaging it is to this country. Then there are worthless fucks like you who are more than willing to destroy this entire country just so you can act like a petulant little teen instead of an adult.

      The problem is complete fucking stupidity, and an abject hatred of the US, on the part of blindly ignorant conservative 1/3 of the electorate. And again, i agree... grab-them-by-the-pussy Trump, the whiny little worthless bitch, is a perfect representation of people like you. It used to be conservatives cared about this country.... but that ended in the 90's, fueled by their down-on-their-knees worship of Reagan's myth that they created.

      Your sig really gets to the point... you don't know shit about anything, but you want your worthless, ignorant opinion to be considered right... no matter how fucking stupid it is.

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    11. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      They elected Trump as a giant "fuck YOU!" to BOTH the Democrat AND Republican "establishment".

      Yes -- that is a technique commonly known as "cutting of your nose to spite your face".

      And, if Trump is still an effective thorn in the sides of both (R) & (D) in 2020, guess who's going to be throwing a reelection gala?

      Most people who cut off their own nose don't do it a second time.

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    12. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      I disagree, I think the majority will see that having used their ballot in a temper-tantrum of their own against our political system was a colossal Bad Idea and won't do it again -- except maybe the most hard-core idiots who have no impulse control to speak of.

    13. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      This is just my opinion, but I think the majority of the GOP held their nose and endorsed Trump because they just couldn't stomach 4 to 8 years of Hillary Clinton (as if I blame them, and I'm (now) a democrat (was Independent)). Of course now even they've had quite enough, see what a colossal mistake it was, and in 2020 will likely pull their support of Trump for re-election and try to get someone else in there. I'm predicting that will fail and we'll have whoever the Democrats put up.

    14. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      This story about the U.S. Postal Service, Amazon/Jeff Bezos, and Donald Trump, is case-in-point as to why he never was Presidential material, why he is not a good President now, and why he never will be a good President, ever: Donald Trump is incapable of de-coupling his ego from his personality when it comes to his duty as President of the United States.

      Then I guess the major parties should have run someone who was on the winning side of (and cared enough about) the issues that won the election for Trump.

      If you can't beat a clown, the problem does not reside within the clown.

    15. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter who is offered up if republicans spend 8 years knowing who it's going to be, then abuse their offices to run an 8 year long smear campaign against them. Add that to the fact that the republican base is essentially a bunch of complete fucking morons who can't take responsibility for anything in their life, having the driving need to blame anyone and everyone else for them being limp dicked little bitches, and you have 1/3 of the voting electorate being too fucking stupid not to do what the fascist lying sacks of shit in the GOP "grab-them-by-the-pussy" party tell them to. You fucking conservative idiots elected a whiny little bitch to be president.... and i agree, he's a perfect representative of you. Fucking little neo-nazi, piece of shit, enemies of this country.... every fucking one of you.

      Well, there you go. Insanity like that on your side is why he has until 2024.

    16. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      I doubt it. The complete and total lack of self awareness, and the utter hypocrisy, and being totally incapable of constructive reform will lead us right back to the situation in '16 where Trump was elected to begin with. Look at Meglon foaming at the mouth; you guys just can't help yourself. You've ratcheted up the hatred so much, and the media lies and spins so much, that people just tune it out. The lines are drawn.

      When a viable third party or an actual progressive candidate appears, of course you'll be there to twist the knife in their back to make sure Trump gets elected again. Then the infantile and impotent rage will then start all over.

    17. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      The cause is that the GOP party politicians don't give a fuck about this country, they only give a fuck about themselves being in power.... and they're willing to lie with every breath to make that happen. Their base is so willing to be lied to just so they can remain living in their fantasy land bullshit, that they go along with the bullshit no matter how damaging it is to this country. Then there are worthless fucks like you who are more than willing to destroy this entire country just so you can act like a petulant little teen instead of an adult.

      The problem is complete fucking stupidity, and an abject hatred of the US, on the part of blindly ignorant conservative 1/3 of the electorate. And again, i agree... grab-them-by-the-pussy Trump, the whiny little worthless bitch, is a perfect representation of people like you. It used to be conservatives cared about this country.... but that ended in the 90's, fueled by their down-on-their-knees worship of Reagan's myth that they created.

      Your sig really gets to the point... you don't know shit about anything, but you want your worthless, ignorant opinion to be considered right... no matter how fucking stupid it is.

      So I take it you won't be RSVPing for the reelection gala? LOL!

      You're so soaked in blind hatred all anyone can do is laugh at you and shake their head in pity. Seek professional psychiatric help, STAT.

      Strat

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    18. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      Donald J. Trump as POTUS was one of the worst electoral mistakes in the history of the United States, one that this country will spend decades living down with the rest of the world.

      And this is the worst part. Fair enough that a few thousand rednecks ruined America, but they might also be responsible for ruining the Western Hemisphere, and handing geopolitical dominance to China and Russia. If you ever wondered how the mighty Rome fell, we are all in for a real time demonstration.

    19. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      It's true that Trump's election is a symptom, but the cause is public frustration with "establishment" Republicans and Democrats, both. People are fed up. They elected Trump as a giant "fuck YOU!" to BOTH the Democrat AND Republican "establishment".

      And, if Trump is still an effective thorn in the sides of both (R) & (D) in 2020, guess who's going to be throwing a reelection gala?

      Strat

      Oh he'll win again, and he'll win because the average voter is stupid. They'll vote a big Fuck You to 'the establishment' without realising that the establishment for all its ills was still net gain for them overall. This is why an effective democracy only works with an effective public education system and quality media. America has neither.

    20. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      This is just my opinion, but I think the majority of the GOP held their nose and endorsed Trump because they just couldn't stomach 4 to 8 years of Hillary Clinton (as if I blame them...)

      I never really understood this hate. I'm not American so may not have all the details, but Hillary comes across as someone who can put together coherent sentences, and seems to grasp concepts and respond to them reasonably and logically. I get you might not agree with her worldview, but I don't know how anyone can vote for a leader without these basic skills?

    21. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Hillary comes across as someone who can put together coherent sentences,

      So could John Gotti and Bernie Madoff.

      Hillary Clinton is as corrupt as they come. There's been a trail of murdered individuals in her and Bill's wake. That's not even touching on the scandals surrounding the Clinton Foundation and Clinton Global Initiative and all the very questionable hijinks surrounding them.

      Strat

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    22. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      Your signature implies you might have a slanted view of the world. I'm not a big fan of political team sports and both sides have their flowers and their weeds, but a minimum standard should be the ability to talk like an adult, yet the most recent Republican presidents lack this simple skill. How does anyone find that acceptable?

    23. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Your signature implies you might have a slanted view of the world.

      Accurate != slanted.

      but a minimum standard should be the ability to talk like an adult,

      Hitler was a great orator. So was Stalin, Mao, and many other brutal dictators and leaders both past and present.

      Words mean squat. Actions are what counts. Hillary's actions have been those of a corrupt plutocrat. I don't like Trump as a person, but he's actually accomplishing things I think are good. He's also accomplishing, or trying to accomplish, things I don't like, but they have been far outweighed by the good so far. ISIS is no longer a threat, the US economy is doing better, and he's gotten N. Korea to the negotiating table. Things the last few administrations have failed to accomplish.

      Strat

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    24. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      He's also accomplishing, or trying to accomplish, things I don't like, but they have been far outweighed by the good so far.

      Such as? Oh I see the extensive list below...

      ISIS is no longer a threat,

      Define threat? Then describe which policy decisions Trump made that contributed to that? The ISIS situation in Syria and Iraq has a lot more players than just Trump, it's disingenuous to claim that is all him.

      the US economy is doing better,

      Better than what? The economy has been in recovery mode for at least 5 years, after the last Republican administration left it in tatters and it had to be rescued. Some short term growth can probably be attributed to Trump's position on regulation, but these are likely to incur larger long term problems as per GFC and the '87 crash which followed similar patterns. Only time will tell but you'd be naive to think there will be no consequences fro mass deregulation and general ignorance on risks.

      and he's gotten N. Korea to the negotiating table. Things the last few administrations have failed to accomplish.

      Not yet. And recent events don;t have much to do with to do with the US (the historic SK and NK leadership meeting was organised between themselves just as the pre-Trump Olympic gesture was).
      NK said they are pulling out of the planned US meeting specifically because of things Trump and his National Security adviser are saying.

      You are right that actions count, but of the three things you came up with, two haven't happened yet, and the other was mostly inherited.
      His biggest objectively verifiable achievement so far is probably the tax cuts which the CBO have claimed will be a net loss for most Americans except the top 1%. And getting tax cuts through a Republican congress and Senate is hardly difficult. The other objectively big measure is that he has passed the least amount of bills of any President since WW2 despite claiming he has done the most (ie outright lies). So far the only conclusion is that he talks like a dummy and acts like one too.

    25. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Lord_Jeremy · · Score: 1

      If I hadn't already commented, I would have been torn between a +1 Insightful or a +1 Funny. In fact, this modern era based on flat out lies in politics warrants Slashdot adding a +1 Funny-If-It-Wasn't-Sad moderation type.

    26. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      I personally didn't vote for Hillary Clinton because she really doesn't come off as trustworthy, regardless of the fact that she has the skills otherwise to do the job. Of course I didn't vote for Donald Trump either, because I trust him even less, and he clearly doesn't posess the skills or the temperament to do the job. So then of course jackasses say to me "so you didn't vote?" which is bullshit, I voted for a 3rd-party candidate, because I don't want to be that guy who doesn't vote then complains about the results. What I get for my trouble from the jackasses is then "So you wasted your vote on a loser? Why would you bother? You should vote for who was going to win!" which is about as pants-on-head retarded as you can get. I'm telling you all this to illustrate how fucked-up our political system is right now and how clueless some people in my country are; apparently, to some people, 'voting your conscience' is considered stupid, you're supposed to 'be on the winning side' regardless of whether you agree with what they stand for, think they're trustworthy, or otherwise should be elected for any reason. How screwed up is that?

    27. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Too many people are brainless sheep is a large part of the problem; they're followers, they don't know how to think critically or think for themselves, so they look to 'leaders' (regardless of qualifications) to tell them what to think and do. Also, apparently little things like 'conscience' and 'moral compass' don't count anymore and are actively discouraged -- unless of course you get your 'conscience' and 'moral compass' from someone else, who brow-beats you into believing that they are the ones who are smart and wise, and that you should STFU and do what they say.

    28. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      ISIS, the economy, North Korea

      Trump really has nothing to do with these things, the wheels were set in motion for them years ago, and the wheels as ever turn slowly. In fact he's practically screwed the pooch on North Korea, if Kim was just a little more of a maniac there might have been a nuke set off somewhere.

    29. Re:Case-in-point: why Trump is not a good POTUS by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      I voted for a 3rd-party candidate, because I don't want to be that guy who doesn't vote then complains about the results.

      And the funny part is that this is actually a really simple solution to the current problem. Not everyone has to vote third party to have an effect, but once you start getting into the 5-10% bracket the shock-waves to the major parties become huge.
      If the millions of people who complain about politics every day simply voted third party the problem would mostly fix itself. I always vote independent, not because I support them (they are mostly fringe loonies) but because a robust political system needs more than two parties (even if the third is bat shit crazy)

  16. Pre-pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    They were forced to make pension payments:

    1. Because they were chronically under-funding their pension system to balance the books, forcing the federal government to step in and cover their losses
    2. In a manner that ALL public and private agencies should handle their pensions - figure out how much they are going to have to pay out over the next 50-70 years, and put away enough money to cover it

    1. Re:Pre-pay by Altus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if everyone agrees with you that forcing the USPS to prefund pensions is a good idea, bitching about their finances when they have to go through this huge change is dumb, if anything we should be expanding their services so that they are more profitable. Including lost cost banking services would be a good place to start.

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    2. Re:Pre-pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True. The way they are supposed to work is the money disappears up some executives ass when the majority of the workers that paid into it their entire career reach retirement age.

    3. Re:Pre-pay by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      figure out how much they are going to have to pay out over the next 50-70 years, and put away enough money to cover it

      Funding the pensions of employees who have not been born yet is really, really stupid.

    4. Re:Pre-pay by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 2

      True. The way they are supposed to work is the money disappears up some executives ass when the majority of the workers that paid into it their entire career reach retirement age.

      I'd mod the AC insightful if I had points.

    5. Re:Pre-pay by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Funding the [educations of students] who have not been born yet is really, really stupid.

      This is what you'll be telling your kids when they're ready for college?

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  17. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The USPS has publish information multiple times debunking this statement.

    The primary reason that the USPS makes a profit on Amazon even though the indivitual package price is very low is that Amazon fills the shipment.

    An analogy would be a standby ticket. They need to charge passengers $200 for the flight but there are often empty seats so charging someone $50 for those IS profitable because those were unsold tickets and the new passenger costs only a little bit extra.

    The USPS has obligations for certain delivery times mandated by congress, so they have a ton of empty space on the airplane or freight truck. Unlike the airlines that schedule fewer flights when a route is slow, the USPS still has to drive it every single day.

    USPS items get loaded first, then other shippers like Amazon. If the truck fills, Amazon waits for the next truck but that's such a rare occurrence that it isn't a concern for Amazon.

  18. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    .... You clearly don't have a head for finances. I suggest you check shipping rates for local delivery as that's basically what the PO is doing, and always has been doing. They're getting more light parcels to deliver on their normal routes with only a moderate extra burden, but profit is far higher. Amazon uses DHL, Fedex, and UPS to deliver to the PO with their big expensive cargo liners, the post office is the last leg in delivery and they don't rush, they do it on their own normal schedule. DHL and the like however are pressured to deliver it early enough so that it will get to you on a normal PO route...

  19. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Ksevio · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, it's a complaint - no one else needs to pre-fund pension plans. Your second sentence about them going broke doesn't make sense.

  20. If Trump wants to increase Amazon's costs... by Ichijo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...then he should get the states to increase their diesel taxes and weight-mile taxes on trucks. But this would harm the oil industry which pays big money to politicians and so it will never happen.

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  21. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Altus · · Score: 1

    They don't provide the same quality of service as the other carriers though, they are cheaper and thats great and on the volume that Amazon needs they are probably a good option (hence the reason Amazon uses them) but if they cost as much as Fedex, but loose more packages then nobody is ever going to use them.

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  22. Re:Fitting sourcee by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's fitting that the story comes from the Washington Post since this has nothing to do with Amazon and EVERYTHING to do with the smear job WAPO has been doing to Trump.

    So you are claiming that a story about how Trump is pushing the Postmaster General to significantly increase the rates it charges Amazon... has nothing to do with Amazon? Are you saying Trump did not, in fact, press for Amazon's postal rates to increase? Because the Postmaster General has specifically and rather publicly stated why she cannot do that - which would be an odd and random thing for her to say if Trump hadn't asked for it.

    How about a similar story from Fox News? Is this one a smear job too? Did Bezos buy Fox News? http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

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  23. Always Examine the Hidden Agenda by hduff · · Score: 1

    So how has Amazon hurt trump in teh past? I have heard mention that it hurts him by de-valuing brick-and-mortar retail space that he is heavily invested in.

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    1. Re:Always Examine the Hidden Agenda by multi+io · · Score: 1

      So how has Amazon hurt trump in teh past? I have heard mention that it hurts him by de-valuing brick-and-mortar retail space that he is heavily invested in.

      Bezos is an actual billionaire, and his newspaper, the Washington Post, writes critical articles about Trump. That's more than enough "hurt". Trump is all face value; he doesn't have a "hidden agenda", except maybe with Russian and Chinese loaners and investors.

  24. Article I, Section 9 by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    Bills of attainder are forbidden by the US Constitution. Federal regulations have the force of law, so no Donny, you can't fuck around with Amazon's contract with the USPS.

    Really, I understand he's not a lawyer, but he took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, a document with which he is manifestly completely unfamiliar. I think there's a case to be made that he can be forced to at least read it once. While wearing his glasses that he refuses to wear in public, which is why he appears to be illiterate in public settings.

    1. Re: Article I, Section 9 by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Not a bill of attainder. The terms that the government and other parties agree to for a contract are not law. Changing those terms are not punishment.

      Did you see the part in the summary about the regulatory commission? Postal rates are Not Simple.

  25. Well said... by gatfirls · · Score: 1

    I see things like this and imagine if he was able to actually just do what he wants, unencumbered by the little checks and balances we have left.

    From just purely the words out of his mouth I could see us nearing third world status in a decade or two if he was left to his own devices. And I say that with not a bit of hyperbole.

    1. Re:Well said... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Look at how many times his business ventures have gone completely bankrupt; that is what this country could very well end up looking like in your theoretical situation.

    2. Re: Well said... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      No, a decade or two is where you're headed now, at best. Without the checks and balances that were clearly designed with a level-headed adult in mind and have thus proven insufficient, it'd be a month or two. He would've transformed the place into a complete tinpot dictatorship in a matter of weeks. He would've brought all parts of the government and legislature under his control, nationalized the media and turned it into a Trump praise machine, instituted a command economy to enact his whims and satisfy his grudges, and made himself King of Trumpmerica For Life.

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  26. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by worldthinker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are being forced to pre-fund pension plans FAR in advance of their obligation. That is singularly different than ANY other company or entity. It is literally starving them of resources. They can't adequately keep their facilities updated, clean, or expand services. The Post Office is one of the few things specifically mentioned in the Constitution as a service the Government is expected to provide.

    If it were not for companies like Amazon and others, the Post Office would have gone bankrupt.

  27. Re:hmm by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Despite your disingenuous "heartening" comment, actually most of us want EVERYONE to succeed,including our political rivals, heck, even the "evil" large business owners, as long as they play the game by the rules, and don't SCREW the people or the environment to make their profits.

    Of course, there are exceptions and outliers on either side of the aisle, and there are the psychopathic types that just want to see the world burn, but for the most part, most of us want everybody to succeed in life. As long as it's not at someone else's expense.

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  28. Bye US Postal Service by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Welcome Amazon Shipping and Postal Company.

  29. Hmmm... by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Postmaster General Megan Brennan has so far resisted Trump's demand, explaining in multiple conversations occurring this year and last that these arrangements are bound by contracts and must be reviewed by a regulatory commission, the three people said.

    Yet another example of Trump encouraging illegal activities.

  30. Re:Amazon's newspaper flames Trump for charging mo by jader3rd · · Score: 1

    Maybe it IS a good deal for the post office. But let's see that from someone without skin in the game.

    You mean like the Post Master General?

  31. Re:Double more!! by meglon · · Score: 1

    You are a special kind of fucking idiot.

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  32. Re:Amazon's newspaper flames Trump for charging mo by gatfirls · · Score: 1

    So you will take the post office claims that they are abiding by the law that all deals must be profitable as dubious, and consider an almost pathological liar who uses FoxNews Channel as basically his cabinet and calls pretty much all news fake news that doesn't lick his boots?

    There is absolutely no reason to think this is some 'bad deal' for the taxpayer aside from The Whiner in chief having a beef with Bezos because he owns the WP and they have the audacity to call out Trump on his never ending stream of bullshit.

    You add that Trump has publicly exclaimed/bragged MANY times on how him/his companies avoiding taxes is just being a good businessman and things become very clear.

  33. Re:Amazon's newspaper flames Trump for charging mo by ianbnet · · Score: 1

    I mean, how about the Post Office themselves? https://about.usps.com/news/statements/080117.htm. The USPS has been pretty damn clear on this. https://gizmodo.com/former-postmaster-general-says-trump-is-completely-wron-1825025953

    You should take the Post's claims with a grain of salt - not because Bezos owns them, but because any single source should be verified. But this has been, repeatedly.

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  34. Re:Okay by ianbnet · · Score: 1

    God forbid the man be right about something, even if it is motivated entirely by petty spite. The fact that the partnership is good for the USPS isn't equivalent to it being good for commerce in general. Amazon is too fucking big. It's dangerous.

    That might (or might not) be true. But it's not the basis of the claims Trump is trying to make. This would be a very different conversation if it was about Amazon becoming a monopoly, or abusive of its power. That has nothing to do with the USPS.

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  35. Re:Amazon's newspaper flames Trump for charging mo by meglon · · Score: 1
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  36. Re:Amazon's newspaper flames Trump for charging mo by avandesande · · Score: 1

    They wouldn't want to admit they presided over a lousy deal would they? I don't know that it is a lousy deal but people have all kinds of reasons why they would misrepresent something.

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  37. Re:Amazon's newspaper flames Trump for charging mo by gatfirls · · Score: 1

    Sure, they could. But the target of trumpos rage is not based on the actual deal itself it's based off of (like usual) misconstrued/misrepresented facts. And as everyone really knows the WP...ya know the "AmazonWashingtonPost" as trump likes to call it.

    There was some analysis piece done a while back that said the USPS *could/should be charging more* but that doesn't fall into line even close with the narrative Trump is (most likely parroting from fox news) spewing. Multibillion dollar deals are a tad more complex than 'they could be making more, therefore they are losing money' as Trump asserts: "the U.S. Post Office will lose $1.50 on average for each package it delivers for Amazon"

    Anyway, the deal is secret but the numbers aren't. The deal has shown to be a boon for the USPS because all of their numbers were in a freefall beforehand. That is indisputable and directly attributable to the deal with Amazon.

  38. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are required to pre-fund for employees 75 years out per the interpretation of the government on the law congress passed. This means prefunding retirement for employees that have not been born yet.

    It's absurd and anyone that can't see that is a shill or a partisan troll.

  39. Re:Okay by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

    That should be handled directly with anti-trust proceedings, not like this.

  40. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    They don't provide the same quality of service as the other carriers though, they are cheaper and thats great and on the volume that Amazon needs they are probably a good option (hence the reason Amazon uses them) but if they cost as much as Fedex, but loose more packages then nobody is ever going to use them.

    They only lose more packages because they handle way more packages. It's also why their service is worse.

    Think of it this way. In 3 days, USPS handles as much mail pieces as FedEx in a year. UPS is bigger, so it takes USPS about 7 days to exceed UPS' amount. And not surprisingly, I haven't found many people with a high opinion of UPS, either.

    The sheer scale of USPS is amazing

  41. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Pension plans are normallly invested, not pre-funded. It is fine to go and criticize the investments and bad money management if some details emerge, but pre-funding pensions is not typically demanded of many other goverment agencies. Because the post office manages to be efficient and self sufficient, it angers all the government-is-evil politicians.

  42. Re: Trump needs to keep his mouth shut... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Trump did indeed put a hungry, vicious fox into the henhouse of the Department of Education - a woman who wants to privatize education, subsidize private schools, and allow them to have racially segregated student bodies. I can hardly imagine anyone worse for the job. It's not the department of childcare after all.

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  43. Or. by gatfirls · · Score: 1

    As I posted above: "Yup. Bonds at ~16% interest @600million. There's an absolutely zero chance that whole project wasn't about side deals and whatnot. There was never any way the casino was going to make enough to even cover the interest, roughly 8 million a month. "

  44. USPS Financial Trouble by DeathAndTaxes · · Score: 1

    USPS is mandated by Congress to budget for future retirements of employees who are not even born yet. Tough to be profitable with that mandate...Easy to target by anti-public-sector folks.

  45. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That is not the case. The law says they are to fund pensions with the assumption of people living to 75 years of age. Not 75 years out.

  46. I'm Gonna Make USPS Great Again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "MUSPSGA! I'm going to double USPS package rates which will double profits! Obama never did that, believe me! Amazon is so unfair, using USPS, can you believe it? Packages! Most people don't know, it's supposed to be a Postal Service. Most people don't know that. Why is Amazon asking the Postal Service to deliver packages? They deliver letters, not packages, so unfair!

    MUSPSGA!

    Can I tell you about my election victory? Remember the map?"

  47. Re:That is bullshit! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    There's a large number of politicians who believe that any government is a waste. They dislike the fact that the USPS even exists, when there are public companies that do the same job. They ignore the fact that the USPS is self sufficient, and remains competitive without tax dollar subsidies. Trump listens to these people, he assigns these people to lead deparatments, so he probably had a thing against USPS even before he got into a fit over Bezos.

  48. Why should amazon have to pay more than others? by mark-t · · Score: 1

    It's my understanding that USPS has something called a "bulk discount rate", and Amazon simply utilizes this when using the postal service. Why should Amazon now be prohibited from doing so, or is the proposal to remove the bulk discount rate entirely?

  49. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Xenx · · Score: 1

    You can earn a profit off of one transaction, while losing losing money on another.

  50. Re:Fitting sourcee by quantaman · · Score: 1

    It's fitting that the story comes from the Washington Post since this has nothing to do with Amazon and EVERYTHING to do with the smear job WAPO has been doing to Trump. Bezos owns WAPO so Trump blames Bezos for everything WAPO does. What amazes me is with all the ammunition Trump freely provides the press WAPO still finds ways to push the envelope on twisting the truth.

    You're right, it has nothing to do with Amazon. Trump is punishing Amazon not because of Amazon, but because of the Washington Post.

    To be clear. I don't think there's sufficient evidence of collusion, bribery, or obstruction of justice to justify impeachment at this point.

    However, I think he is veeeery close with Amazon, and if he actually did order the Postmaster General to double Amazon's rates he's stepped into the realm of trying to economically harm a major business because the owner has a newpaper giving him critical coverage.

    If that were to happen I'd say impeach him in a minute.

    Not only is it a blatant violation of the 1st amendment but it shows he hasn't the foggiest interest in accepting the responsibilities of being President.

    He was elected to lead the country, not own it.

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  51. He is Mr Business Man by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    follow the money. I'll wager you'll find FedEx & UPS bribes of some kind behind this.

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  52. I hope this happens by swillden · · Score: 1

    As a heavy user of Amazon, I really, really hope that a USPS rate hike convinces Amazon to stop using them. My package delivery has gotten much slower and less reliable since they started using USPS rather than UPS. I'd love to see them go back to using UPS and FedEx exclusively.

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    1. Re:I hope this happens by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      it depends on your location. In rural areas USPS seems to be faster while the commercial will take longer bouncing to hubs. Then being placed on the truck for a night.

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    2. Re:I hope this happens by lexman098 · · Score: 1

      Same, in the past couple years my USPS guy has gotten in the habit of just not delivering on Saturday and then lieing on the tracking info so it shows "attempted delivery" or whatever bullshit.

    3. Re:I hope this happens by swillden · · Score: 1

      it depends on your location. In rural areas USPS seems to be faster while the commercial will take longer bouncing to hubs. Then being placed on the truck for a night.

      I live in a rural area. Here UPS is far better, hands down.

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  53. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Solandri · · Score: 1

    Your matching 401k (where your employer matches what you put into it) is a pre-funded pension. The full amount of the company's obligation leaves the company's control as soon as you've fulfilled the obligation (worked for a month). If the company goes bankrupt, it doesn't affect your 401k, unlike what nearly happened to GM. When they were in danger of going bankrupt, all their pensioners were in danger of losing their pension. Which would've ended up turning them into bottom-priority creditors who would likely only collect pennies per dollar they were owed. That can't happen with a wholly pre-funded pension where the pension is spun off into a separate entity.

    The USPS pension pre-funding requirement was created to prevent the situation California is in. For decades, the state and local government underfunded pension obligations, instead relying on overly optimistic projections of future returns on fund investment to create the illusion that the pensions were adequately funded. As the decades of underfunding built up, the delta between the actual funding and the illusory projected funding grew more and more, until eventually it became impossible to pretend the amount of money in the funds would be enough the pay for all the promised pensions. This has resulted in the paradoxical situation where taxes and tax revenue are going up, but the budget has to be cut - because the extra money is going into paying up those underfunded pensions. Basically, all the money they spent on other things besides pensions in the past, they're having to pay back into the pensions now (past generations stole from the current generation).

    The USPS pension pre-funding requirement is basically "if you promise you'll pay someone in the future, put aside enough money now to pay for it." That the requirement has been onerous to the USPS is just an indication that the pension had been underfunded for the past decades. If they'd been keeping up with their pension funding instead of relying on wildly optimistic fund growth estimates to make it look like it was adequately funded, then the USPS wouldn't have had to pay any more than they already were. In other words, if the requirement wasn't hurting the USPS, then that would be evidence that the requirement wasn't needed. But the fact that it is hurting the USPS is evidence that the requirement was needed to halt financial mismanagement before it ballooned into an even bigger problem in the future.

  54. Sad to see so many challenged Slashdot readers by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Did you miss the part where the postmaster general said that these arrangements are beneficial to the post office?

    Did you miss the fact the financial reports indicate otherwise?

    Every single one of you drones brought up pension payments, as if the Post Office could simply not pay pensions. The cost of shipping a package includes servicing debt, but I guess most Slashdot people are too buttery retarded to know even the simplest thing about how a business works.

    BTW, "Buttery Retarded" is a phrase that is the sole invention of Autocorrect, but it seemed so apt in this context I bowed the superior wisdom of The Machine.

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  55. Re:Amazon's newspaper flames Trump for charging mo by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Maybe it IS a good deal for the post office. But let's see that from someone without skin in the game.

    You mean like the Post Master General?

    Megan Brennan has skin in the game, too. She's also a party to the same deal.

    Given that she's expected to have the Post Office's welfare at heart I'd be more impressed by her statements. But I'd prefer an analysis by someone who's not one of the players.

    Though I have no indication that Megan has any conflict of interests or is in any way corrupt, a multi-billionaire is in a position to deliver a LOT of incentives. So I'd like to hear an analysis by a less interested party.

    BUT

    You're totally misconstruing my original statement. "The Postmaster General says ..." is one thing. "Jeff Bezos' newspaper says the Postmater General says ..." is very much another. It's the latter I'm addressing.

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  56. Nixon did it first by GrimSavant · · Score: 2
    Abusing executive power to go after enemies is an impeachable offense, and we know that it is an impeachable offense because Nixon was about to be impeached for it, among other things. See article 2 of the Nixon impeachment:

    Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, impairing the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposed of these agencies.

    This conduct has included one or more of the following:

    1. He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

    ...

    In all of this, Richard M. Nixon has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

    Wherefore Richard M. Nixon, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
    Adopted 28-10 by the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives.

    The relevant bit of history is Nixon's enemies list, in which he ordered IRS audits to "screw" his political enemies. In that case, the IRS commissioner Donald Alexander also refused to follow the order to perform the audits, and stored the order in the sealed envelope in his safe until the enemies list was outed by WH Counsel John Dean.

    As an aside: there are other bits of that article of impeachment that Trump's folks have been accusing his political enemies of violating, particularly with the FBI and surveillance. That's a neat trick of acting Nixonian whist accusing your enemies of acting Nixonian, I don't know if that counts as projection or muddying the waters, or if it even reaches the heights of Orwellianism. Or perhaps it is simply a childish "no, you are!"

  57. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by uncqual · · Score: 1

    The Post Office is one of the few things specifically mentioned in the Constitution as a service the Government is expected to provide.

    That is incorrect. In Article I, Section 8 the Constitution grants Congress the power to "establish Post Offices and post Roads". If they don't believe Post Offices or post Roads are needed, they are free not to exercise that power and to dismantle said system. In fact, right now, are are there many (any?) active "Post roads" of note in the United States? It seems likely that the postal service will be dismantled in the next 50 years as there will just be insufficient need for it.

    Is it also your belief that because Congress has the power to declare war that they should do so even if they don't think it's necessary?

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  58. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

    That's been the GOP plan all along. They'll use that to "prove" that private enterprise is always better, smarter and cost-effective, they'll find a way to screw the workers out of their pensions and amend the constitution to either get rid of $govt_svc or to allow its functions to fulfilled by corporations entirely.

    Combine that with Drumpf's hate-boner for anything associated with Jeff Bezos plus his belief that he should be able to run the government to the benefit of his business interests, and...

    And there you have it in a nutshell. We're done here.

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  59. Re:hmm by multi+io · · Score: 1

    Dunno if Amazon is being wronged here or not. Quite possibly they are.

    I must say though that it's heartening to see Democrats be so fond of multi-bazillionaire captains of industry also owning major media outlets. A tad unexpected, but heartening.

    The Democratic Party is the more pro-business one these days as Republicans are regressing into protectionist alt-right populism, destroying stability, amassing debt, eroding the rule of law and damaging trade relations with the the world. Also blue states, on average, produce more private sector jobs and have more GDP per capita.

  60. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

    No, you're still losing money. You're just losing less of it, and in this case it is Amazon that is paying less than others.

    Depends on the maths used, because as with airline tickets, each seat is sold at a different price to different people. So if the average seat cost was $100, I can still make a profit selling some seats for $200 and others for $50. This is a common free market method for maximising revenue per service.
    What Trump is proposing is effectively socialist price controls, ie the government setting fixed fees. Fair enough if you support Soviet style policy, but I'm pretty sure that's not what most Trump voters voted for.

  61. Re: How do you know it's more expensive? by Jesus+H+Rolle · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why would they expect military veterans to be more suitable as postmen?

    Extensive firearms training.

  62. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by Lisandro · · Score: 1

    Can't believe the concept of bulk discounts somehow shocks you.

    Amazon pays the same rates every other company shipping millions of packages a year do.

  63. Re: funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Muelle by peragrin · · Score: 1

    20 years and billions of dollars and the most Hillary was found guilty of was bieng a bitch. Which isn't a crime.

    Goldwater, bengahzi. Private email server which every congressman has too. She never broke a law, but she wasn't moral, or likeable.

    Trump dealt with foriegn powers to get dirt on his opponents. Which is dirty and a gray area in law too. He routinely skirted and abused laws. Whether he broke laws I don't know. Don't care. Trump will be Trump. When he is done the USA will be broken, the GOP will be broken. And a year or two later, the democrat party will break.

    It will be his gift to the USA, not to make America great but to humble it.

    I expect the world's reserve currency to drift away from the dollar in the next 10 years due to his trade negotations destroying American ability and economic growth.

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  64. Re: funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Muelle by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    If both President and VP go down, then the Speaker of the House becomes President. Then Senate President Pro Tempore.

    This leaves us with Paul Ryan and then Orrin Hatch.

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  65. Trump is using ISP logic by cgimark · · Score: 1

    Trump is using the same argument ISP use to implement usage based billing. You use more so you cost us more. Contact ? read the fine print ? What fine print ? Oh, wait a minute, there , we just added it. You didn't agree to the new terms ? Go with another provider then. What ? You don't have another provider , so sorry, guess that means we have you where we want you . Only Trump forgets that unlike ISP users , amazon can choose to not only switch providers, they can create their own .

  66. Re: hmm by PGaries · · Score: 1

    You're correct, of course, which is why capitalism *must* be tempered by another system, such as socialism. Otherwise, we have an economic system that's nothing more than a race to the bottom.

  67. Re: funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Muelle by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    20 years and billions of dollars and the most Hillary was found guilty of was bieng a bitch. Which isn't a crime.

    Goldwater, bengahzi. Private email server which every congressman has too. She never broke a law, but she wasn't moral, or likeable.

    Looking at the evidence of her server issues, what happened rose to the level of a security violation, not an imprisonable offense. As for Behghazi, I wonder where the outrage was during 2000 to 2008. People need to see how many were killed at US embassies during that golden era.

    And I like Barry Goldwater

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  68. Re: funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Muelle by arnowa · · Score: 1

    He is ripe for jail. Supporting NRA is close to attempted murder

  69. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by fyzikapan · · Score: 1

    It's more complicated than that. They have to fund pensions for current employees based on life expectancy. They have to estimate liabilities over a 75 year period, and that does include people who don't currently work there. So USPS has a a future liability that does include people who aren't even born yet, but they're not required to actually come up with the money yet.

  70. All that power. by Walter+White · · Score: 1

    What good is being president of the most powerfuyl country in the world if you cannot use that power to go after your personal enemies and amass great wealth?

  71. Re: funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Muelle by kenh · · Score: 1

    This just in, Trump popukarity has risen since the election.

    But of course, that is 'in the tank for Trump' CNN...

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  72. Re: funny when Trumpies try deflecting from Muelle by bobbied · · Score: 1

    They got around this with Nixon by naming him an indicted coconspirator...

    First, there was an actual crime or two committed (Collusion is not a possible crime here)... Second, the charging document did NOT name Nixon, but everyone assumed the unnamed, uncharged conspirator was him.. Third, Nixon never was charged or went to jail (though Ford could be seen as responsible for that).

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  73. Re:How do you know it's more expensive? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    Well...

    President Trump personally urged the leader of the U.S. Postal Service to double the rates the agency charges Amazon and other firms

    They're not charging half what FedEx and UPS charge. Doubling the fee would thus mean they're charging more than what FedEx and UPS charge.