Facebook Asks British Users To Submit Their Nudes as Protection Against Revenge Porn (betanews.com)

Mark Wilson writes: Following on from a trial in Australia, Facebook is rolling out anti-revenge porn measures to the UK. In order that it can protect British users from failing victim to revenge porn, the social network is asking them to send in naked photos of themselves. The basic premise of the idea is: send us nudes, and we'll stop others from seeing them .

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Ok

[Ksevio]

I don't see how anything could go wrong with this plan!

Re: Ok

[mSparks43]

I hope they don't charge that much for the dataset on silkroad 3.1

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[rickb928]

So, you work for Facebook, right?

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[aphelion_rock]

I am sure there will be a few FB employees who will enjoy looking through the new FB p0rn collection.

Why can't FB issue a utility to the users to process their own images and generate a hash for the images they don't want shown?

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[zlives]

this negates the "new FB p0rn collection"

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[careysub]

According to TFA, there are some FB employees who will be looking at a lot of naked pictures. A lot of naked pictures!

Speaking to the BBC, Antigone Davis, Facebook's Global Head of Safety, said that nudes would be reviewed by human employees, but that this was "a very small group of about five specially trained reviewers". Images would then be hashed, and originals would not be stored.

So I guess Zuckerberg is one of those "reviewers"? Probably he is not a "first reviewer", he only reviews the really good ones, "just to be sure".

And then FB will have hashes of all the really good naked bodies. I am sure some useful data mining can be done with that.

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[Rick Schumann]

Apparently one of Facebooks new 'partner companies' is PornHub, LOL.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Because then anyone could block anything?

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[Anonymous Coward]

If you ever want to control someone, build a book of blackmail.

Whoever has the data has the power.... and in this case data includes nudes.

Tracking behavior, personal information, habits, and now pictures... even nude ones.

This is a textbook move of power.

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[shubus]

Absolutely! This is the perfect plan. Great brains at work here!

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[Anonymous Coward]

Facebook doesn't see either. They also no longer have to wear gloves during winters.

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[Anonymous Coward]

-1? Come on now. This is the one and only story relevant to this troll. Well played. +1

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[Anonymous Coward]

AI have famously misclassified desert photos as nudes. They're really nowhere near as good as you seem to think.

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[postbigbang]

It gets better and better. It's unlikely to be optimal for decades.

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[Applehu Akbar]

I don't see how anything could go wrong with this plan!

Project director Benjamin Hill promises to personally evaluate and rank each female image. The male images will be used as bargaining chips in Hill's plan.

He further vowed to develop a version of the show, edited for US audiences, for BBC America.

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[tigersha]

The problem is facebooks nipple ban upset a lot of breastfeeding moms

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[rtb61]

Getting everyone to send in nude photos of themselves in the most logic solution to the problem. Lets be honest be biggest problem with revenge porn is the people exposed are not the clean living innocents they pretend to be, the moral mature people they want you to believe they are as the seduce you and empty out your assets. Revenge porn does not exist with out sluts male of female trying to pretend they are not sluts, male or female, when in reality they are and pretty low moral ones at that and most often they are the ones that victimise others when they are exposed.

Instead of deleting nudes images of you based upon nude image of you, simply publish the nude image and you have nothing left to hide, unless of course you are a slut trying to pretend you are not one because you are working you next victim to clean out. So revenge porn or warning porn, sexual proclivity reality porn.

Don't want it published, don't let it be taken. I don't see why it should be a problem for the rest of us or why we should spend tax payer dollars trying to prevent it from happening. Not happy, tough, sue and get over it, at least the rest of us know who you really are.

Should it also be illegal to tell other people and warn them about bad people you have come across, don't those bad people have a right to run their scams again and again and again on different targets, what right to previous victims have to expose fraudsters.

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[DeVilla]

Why can't FB issue a utility to the users to process their own images and generate a hash for the images they don't want shown?

... and someone will start submitting hashes of pictures that embarrass a politician they like and for pictures that show a politician from the other party in a favorable way. Unfettered access to Facebook's ban hammer.

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[serviscope_minor]

Getting everyone to send in nude photos of themselves in the most logic solution to the problem.

Not really, no.

Lets be honest be biggest problem with revenge porn is the people exposed are not the clean living innocents they pretend to be,

Again, not really, no.

the moral mature people they want you to believe they are as the seduce you and empty out your assets.

WTF you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about something...

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[shockwaverider]

Instead of deleting nudes images of you based upon nude image of you, simply publish the nude image and you have nothing left to hide, unless of course you are a slut trying to pretend you are not one because you are working you next victim to clean out.

Privacy is a human right. I bet you have curtains in your home. Why? (if you have nothing to hide.....)

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[stealth_finger]

The problem is facebooks nipple ban upset a lot of breastfeeding moms

So what? Sure it's a perfectly natural thing but so is taking a shit.

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[stealth_finger]

Project director Benjamin Hill promises to personally evaluate and rank each female image.

Isn't that what facebook was originally made for? It's come full circle.

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[michelcolman]

I can't wait for the next Facebook security breach...

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[michelcolman]

"Due to a software bug, some of the nude pictures have accidentally been stored as plain jpg instead of hashes. If you are on this list of a billion users, your images may have been compromised. We deeply apologize and have taken steps to ensure this doesn't happen again."

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[Anonymous Coward]

and it's probably pretty easy for even the most lame AI to spot such things.

That's pretty optimistic. My e-mail provider has a self-learning "AI" spam filter, which I've just had to reset, because it had learned that spam looks like e-mails.

Using a similar AI algorithm to recognize porn would probably learn that porn contains images of people.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Serviscope_minor has abused and swindled every person who was ever drunk and desperate enough to date it. Thus it lives in constant fear of revenge gimp-porn.

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[ArsenneLupin]

Why can't FB issue a utility to the users to process their own images and generate a hash for the images they don't want shown?

Comparing hashes would only find exact duplicates. Just crop two pixels to the left, or make the image slightly darker or lighter would break the hash. Heck, even changing the metadata would break most hashes.

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[Anonymous Coward]

He didn't say he has nothing to hide. He said if you have something to hide, don't take pictures of it.

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[AmiMoJo]

The West has a birth rate problem and prudish people are making it worse. It's hard enough looking after a baby without having to find somewhere private just to feed it.

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[pnutjam]

Facebook says they are only storing hashes, NOT the original picture. So there's really no reason users can't create the hashes, with maybe a flag to view the image being blocked the first time the hash is matched. That would prevent abuse.

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[stealth_finger]

Yeah that's fine, feed it. I was going more for the don't make a big deal out of it rather than don't do it in public aspect. Maybe I should've said breathing or something else.

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[Anduril1986]

...which I've just had to reset, because it had learned that spam looks like e-mails.

Seems to be working OK to me.

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[rtb61]

Privacy to commit fraud is not a human right. Privacy to deceive, especially in relationship where the victim finances are often totally destroyed is not a right. As for visual privacy, believe it or not, I would be far me comfortable exposing myself than other people would be exposed to me and I have nothing to hide with regard to past relationships and hence need no privacy to cover them up. Revenge porn, generally not that bad, compared to the relationship that created that revenge porn, the relationship clearly worse than the porn it generated.

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[Anonymous Coward]

JC on A cracker , not this again . That's not how AI photo match detection works. The hash mentioned is the AI Photo Compare features hash. It's pretty darn impressive.

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[CaffeinatedBacon]

Too easy to game. Just have your competitors advertising flagged and blocked.

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[Anonymous Coward]

its hard enough drinking a whole big gulp without having to find somewhere private to pee it out.

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[Anonymous Coward]

If it were a less trustworthy company than Facebook, it might be a problem. But Facebook is above reproach. Founded ny a man who dealt honestly with his friend who financed him and with fellow students who had approached him with a similar idea, he went on to set the highest standards of corporate governance.

And Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia and at peace with Eastasia.

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[dddux]

So they are specially trained for watching naked pictures. Fascinating. Have anyone seen an ad for that kinda job somewhere...? I like that kind of training.

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[Anonymous Coward]

notice how you equate giving life to taking a shit

you're a totally insane non-human, probably long past the point

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[doccus]

I'm no prude, but I don't want to see nudes on Facebook at all, and it's probably pretty easy for even the most lame AI to spot such things. There are fabulous porn sites for those that want them. FB ought to ban outright nudity, or at least the Revenge Porn shots described.

It's up to each jurisdiction to deal with the liability for posting such trash. Personally, castration on the first offense isn't a bad idea, to me. Others will rationalize the boorish behavior of so called "men".

Actually, as I understand it, they're not actually storing the photos, just the hashes. They "promise" to delete the photos afterwards. What I kind of wonder is if the privates are covered, would the hashes still work? There's no real good reason to be exposed, after all. Re: the deletion, I sure hope there's some kind of confirmation of that!

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[parkinglot777]

Getting everyone to send in nude photos of themselves in the most logic solution to the problem.

It may be the most logical solution for prevention of the problem. However, in this case, you need to look at a solution in both prevention and solving the problem once it occurs.

Some times, prevention of problems generally is a good solution. But some other times, solving the problem after it occurs is a better solution. The reason is that when prevention could be easily exploited by some others (even by one person), it is no longer a good solution but could rather be an opening to even bigger problems. In this case, I see the prevention is a huge opening rather than a good solution to the problem. If you don't see it, I guess you are too optimistic in humans.

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[KingBenny]

how does anyone actually come up with an idea like that and then some, how does anyone at all just come out and say that in public ? ive heard some strange in my days but this ? if i werent stunned by the sheer concept it would probably be hilarious ... "please send us you naked family" .... ?!?

Nice try Zuckenburg

[ackkamoto]

Nice try man - I almost sent you some photos. But seriously Zuckenberg is a creep - he should seriously get some lizard contact lenses and just freak people out even more.

Re: Nice try Zuckenburg

[Anonymous Coward]

You mean stop wearing his human lenses.

In other news facebook has gone completely insane.

[Anonymous Coward]

seriously what fucking ejit cooked up this plan, they must think anything goes as facebook.

Don't trust them, trust me instead!

[HornWumpus]

I don't claim to be able to identify whole body nudes. Just labia, those are like fingerprints.

Re:Don't trust them, trust me instead!

[fahrbot-bot]

I don't claim to be able to identify whole body nudes. Just labia, those are like fingerprints.

So are ears.

Pro Tip: Don't confuse labia and ears.

Re:Don't trust them, trust me instead!

[HornWumpus]

Chewing ears sometimes works a LOT like chewing labia. YMMV

Re:Don't trust them, trust me instead!

[reboot246]

She must like it in her ear because every time I try to stick it in her mouth, she turns her head to one side or the other.

Re: Don't trust them, trust me instead!

[tigersha]

Just because your fingerprints are all over them does not mean they are fingerprints...

Re:Don't trust them, trust me instead!

[serviscope_minor]

So are ears. Pro Tip:

That won't help.

Don't confuse labia and ears.

https://www.smbc-comics.com/co...

(don't forget to hit the red button below the comic)

Re: Better: Dump Facebook!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Facebook users must be really idiots.

Redistribution of Sex

[PopeRatzo]

Asking for nude photos to prevent nude photos from being posted is the second most audacious demand on the internet recently.

The first one was when incels and Jordan Peterson demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

But is that really so bad?
Why should they not be allowed to have sex?

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Because men, unlike women, aren't entitled to it. Most women, like myself, don't want to do that thing but men constantly force us to. Because of that, to balance karma we have to leave a huge portion of men without sex and make them so frustrated that they often resort to violence. That's how men be.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Found the Vice reader.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Citation of a specific, direct, demand with a threat please.

Prosecution would be trivial if you are telling the truth.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't understand why so many men think they are exempt from the forces of natural selection. If you're fat and ugly and don't have a brain capable of making yourself appeal to women you're not really entitled to any sex unless you pay for it.

About 1 in 5 women will give me a curious glance to suggest they're interested. Initiating contact often complicates this as they assess whether they think we are compatible in outlook and goals. The biggest turn off is moving too fast and being too keen. Whether socially constructed or not, women seem to have a lot of vanity behind them and stroking their own egos seems to be a lot of the game initially.

That's instincts but it's not the whole game. Being kind, truthful and competent are major parts of attracting a woman especially as they get older.

Ultimately your lack of sex has nothing to do with women themselves. It's about you competing with other men. Don't feel angry at them. Why should they opt for something inferior. You make yourself better until it works. Just don't be so nieve to even think you know what better is if it's not already working for you.

It's either a famine or a feast and it's got a lot more to do with yourself than them. Oh and they and everyone around you can tell when you're looking at their breasts and asses. Bring that into real life too much without being a jock and you're going to be stuck watching porn.

Finally most women are more left leaning that men, especially social issues. If you think being an altright fan boy is going to give you any success in that department, I really hope you don't mind being stuck with shallow golddiggers.

Real women have feeling and hopes and dreams just as you do. Your altright attitude is going to cramp their individuality. Your mom might have been into that but that's not the case anymore. Try talk to more girls than just your mom and actually listen and learn to how they think.

Unless they're a rabid SJW. You don't need a fucking mental case.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[HornWumpus]

Vice can be entertaining. (search for the 'Columbian donkey fuckers')

The mistake Ratzo makes, is believing what he wants to be true, same as always.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

You should probably look up the definitions of "allowed" and "entitled." They're allowed to have sex, they're not entitled to jack shit.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[PopeRatzo]

Citation of a specific, direct, demand with a threat please.

Since you said, "please", here you go:

Elliot Rodger, the Isla Vista killer, uploaded a video to YouTube about his “retribution” against attractive women who wouldn’t sleep with him (and the attractive men they would sleep with) before killing six people in 2014.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

And this is directly from Robin Hanson's blog:

"One might plausibly argue that those with much less access to sex suffer to a similar degree as those with low income, and might similarly hope to gain from organizing around this identity, to lobby for redistribution along this axis and to at least implicitly threaten violence if their demands are not met. As with income inequality, most folks concerned about sex inequality might explicitly reject violence as a method, at least for now, and yet still be encouraged privately when the possibility of violence helps move others to support their policies. (Sex could be directly redistributed, or cash might be redistributed in compensation.)"

But really, the demand for sex with a threat of violence has been a tool of losers and incels for millennia:

https://forward.com/schmooze/4...

If none of that satisfies you, I would direct you to the /incel section of 4chan or reddit.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[nukenerd]

Fine advice, but all you are doing is re-arranging the queue. The basic problem, in the West at least, is that there are far more men wanting sex than there are women wanting (or willing to have) sex. Feminism, equal pay, and predominantly male immigration have seen to that, plus the nowadays social acceptablity of single women having a child (or two) and then giving up any further relationships at a relatively early age - while the father is back in the dating scene the very next day..

These days young guys are lucky even to encounter girls for long enough (or at all) to attempt your recommendations of "being kind, truthful and competent". Most girls go by first impressions, in particular how instantly "entertaining" a guy is, as to whether they continue a conversation or turn away to the next guy in the "queue". Your recommendations are really for maintaining an existing relationship, not for initial attraction.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Asking for nude photos to prevent nude photos from being posted is the second most audacious demand on the internet recently.

The first one was when incels and Jordan Peterson demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders.

Citation needed. Because when I looked at the transcripts from interviews in which that was supposed to appear, he never said that. Not even close. Perhaps I have missed an interview but from what I read (3 different transcripts including the NYT and WashPo), he was comparing and contrasting how different cultures arrange mating partnerships and/or marriage and what consequences those different models have. Then he mentioned that monogamous marriage was like sexual welfare for men but has significant benefits for society at large (specifically less men with no chance of reproducing which are problematic). Then the journalist mocked incels and in response Peterson pointed out how that POV lacked compassion. The journalist was utterly confused by this point as having compassion for low status men is something she couldn't seem to understand. The rest of the interview was much the same which is why the article that was written was such a hit piece.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Crizzam]

Women like sex as much or more than men.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[PopeRatzo]

Citation needed.

Look elsewhere in the thread. I've already supplied citations.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Women like sex as much or more than men.

True, just not with men.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[geoskd]

Women like sex as much or more than men.

Then why is Sexual assault predominantly men assaulting women? If the drive were equal, I would expect there to be a roughly equal amount of harassment going in both directions. The data simply does not support that assertion

Given the highly disproportional incidence of sex related anti-social behaviors exhibited by men vs women, claiming that Women and Men are equal in all respects relating to sex drive is flying in the face of reason, and will require some extra-ordinary evidence to explain the massive discrepancy.

I am a people watcher by inclination and habit, and I have seen a great deal of evidence to suggest that men generally think about sex a great deal more, are far more driven to have sex, and need far less stimulus to become aroused.

As the old adage goes: Women need a reason to have sex, Men need a place. There is a great deal of wisdom in that saying.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[GumphMaster]

Then why is Sexual assault predominantly men assaulting women? If the drive were equal, I would expect there to be a roughly equal amount of harassment going in both directions. The data simply does not support that assertion

The data is self-reported and subject to pressures that skew that reporting. You cannot blindly accept that the absence of data, say for prosecutions, represents the reality of actual offences. That is not to say that is does not reflect reality, just that you need to be careful generalising.

I see two aspects at play here. First, perhaps sexual assault is not about the sexual act but more about the feeling of power the assaulter gains. In that circumstance desire for sexual intercourse, which is likely balanced given the amount of breeding that goes on, is secondary to a desire to dominate. Secondly, prosecuted sexual assault is predominantly of men against women but that does not mean that the reverse is not happening. I suspect that the nature of the assaults will be different. Women, in general, cannot physically overpower a man so perhaps these assaults tend to be of less destructively physical nature and therefore less likely to be reported or prosecuted. Assaults are generally self-reported which, as any rape victim will tell you, is a major hurdle to overcome. In the worse cases, would you, as a man, be willing to front a police station and "admit" to being overpowered by a woman? Would you expect to be taken seriously?

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[tempo36]

See "Male privelage."

The sex drive in males and females may be equal. But in our society, men are taught, conditioned, and exposed to influences from an early age that teaches many of them that sex is owed, or expected. They learn that force is an acceptable part of being a male. They learn that boys are supposed to be the sexually aggressive member of relationships. They learn that sex is about them moreso than about their partner. Etc.

Meanwhile, women are taught that wanting sex, or acting on sexual urges is shameful. They're taught that they are worth less if they choose to have sex. They carry the responsibility of birth control. They are taught to be "pretty", be polite, be quiet, be respectful, etc.

And yes, testosterone is a hell of a chemical. But I think that societal pressures are at least if not far moreso responsible for men's willingness to commit sexual assault versus women.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[tempo36]

TLDR: Males sexually assault not because they "want sex more" but because more men are of the opinion that they're owed sex and decide that assault is an OK way to get it. Women who want sex and can't get it rarely think that assaulting someone is the way to fix that issue.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

I doubt very much he said this earnestly, outside of context of a thought experiment he most likely put it towards someone that asked him about it, when he most likely had not spent much time thinking about it.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Jordan Peterson never demanded this and never told anyone else to demand this. He teaches people to right the wrongs in their lives and plan ahead instead of sitting around feeling sorry for yourself, aka, an incel.

Not sure when J.Peterson got roped in with that lot, but come on now.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Truth. Everyone else is frustrated or hadn't had more than the short futile college age relationship. Idiots

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[agm]

Everyone is allowed to, but no one owes anyone else a shag. Having sex is not a right or entitlement. It may be a strong desire but it's not a necessity. If you aren't getting any there's only one person to blame - you. No one owes anyone sex no matter who you are.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[AmiMoJo]

That guy who recently drove a vehicle into a crowd posted "the incel revolution has begun" on Facebook shortly before. He is in fact being prosecuted.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[AmiMoJo]

Back in the 50s there was immense pressure for women to find a husband, have children and stay with him no matter how abusive he turned out to be.

Women's lib changed that. It's a good thing. Men have to actually be good people and good husbands now, instead of relying on social stigma to force a woman to accept them.

Peterson wants to go back to the social pressure model. Maybe even legal enforcement, he is a bit vague on the details.

A better solution is to start teaching boys how to behave better. Better role models, frank discussions about these issues. Then they can at least see that if they sort themselves out women will be interested, and can accept that some women might just not like them and they have to deal with that themselves instead of blaming others.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[NoZart]

I have been in that situation. I tried to report, and was laughed at from every station along the way until i gave up in frustration. Statements like "man up", "just ignore it", "what do you want, she's a good looking one?" were given along the way. I can fully understand why victims of assault don't report, because the shame that gets heaped on you is astounding.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Calydor]

It is sad when I read the sentence "That guy who recently drove a vehicle into a crowd" and my first reaction is, "Which one?"

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

"Why should they not be allowed to have sex?"
Or to rephrase, "do people have a right to have sex?"

Depends on the society you live in. Some primative societies did have customs to pair up all their single members. If you go to some churches you still find activities that encourage matchmaking. As for society in general, hell, you don't even have a 'right' to food or water - and be eternally grateful they can't sell air.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[fuzzyf]

Jordan Peterson did not demand that at all.
Are you stating this because you heard or read someone say so or do you fabricate stuff like this on your own?

Slashdot is _really_ going downhill when post like yours gets modded +4.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[PopeRatzo]

Jordan Peterson did not demand that at all.

No, he didn't demand it. He did something much worse: he excused it. He tried to create an intellectual and moral framework where such a demand is something natural instead of sociopathic. Fortunately, he lacks the intellectual firepower to do either and just made a fool of himself.,

"Recently, a young man named Alek Minassian drove through Toronto trying to kill people with his van. Ten were killed, and he has been charged with first-degree murder for their deaths, and with attempted murder for 16 people who were injured. Mr. Minassian declared himself to be part of a misogynist group whose members call themselves incels. The term is short for “involuntary celibates,” though the group has evolved into a male supremacist movement made up of people — some celibate, some not — who believe that women should be treated as sexual objects with few rights. Some believe in forced “sexual redistribution,” in which a governing body would intervene in women’s lives to force them into sexual relationships.

Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.

“He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges.""

https://washingtonmonthly.com/...

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[serviscope_minor]

As the old adage goes: Women need a reason to have sex, Men need a place. There is a great deal of wisdom in that saying.

That's a young adage, not an old one. Go back a few hundred years and women were considered to be the insatiable lust-monsters.

It's also an extraordinarily stupid agdage as well and manages to be both harmful to women and harmful to men at the same time.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[serviscope_minor]

The mistake Ratzo makes, is believing what he wants to be true, same as always.

Ah looks like we found the incel!

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[TimothyHollins]

Asking for nude photos to prevent nude photos from being posted is the second most audacious demand on the internet recently.

The first one was when incels and Jordan Peterson demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders.

Did it work? ...Asking for a friend.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, i've personally heard stories from three men that were raped by women and none of them reported it because they had no confidence that the legal system would take them seriously.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Back in the 50s there was immense pressure for men to find a wife, have children and stay with her no matter how abusive she turned out to be.

Women's lib changed that. It's a good thing. People have to actually be good people and good husbands or wives now, instead of relying on social stigma to force someone to accept them.

I don't know what Peterson wants, because i've never asked him and heard the answer.

A better solution is to stop being sexist and teach people how to behave better. Better role models, frank discussions about these issues. Then they can at least see that if they sort themselves out, other people will be interested.

Fixed that for ya.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

I fail to see how he excused it, he proposed a causal relationship between those things. He also discusses solutions. Note: being monogamous doesnâ(TM)t mean being forced to f*** losers. Quit straw-manning.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Preach, Lukas, spread that hate! You really put those losers in their place!

An additional 0.50 Euro bonus will be included in your next NGO paycheck. Thank you for your continuing good work.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Fuck you. I'm a child of one of those "women's lib" single-parent families. That's a terrible way for children to grow up.

How many millions of children in broken homes have suffered for your degenerate, irresponsible ideology?

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Bongo]

Women like sex as much or more than men.

And maybe not as often.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Think a bit about what you are saying.

If she says no for reasons that has nothing to do with him, the only thing he can blame himself for is respecting a no. Thus, by putting it as

If you aren't getting any there's only one person to blame - you.

you are pretty much saying that it's his own stupid fault for respecting a no.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Bongo]

I gather, vaguely, that when humanity was just tribes, it was a significant advance to start to focus on a stable family unit. But part of that was oppressing womens' sexuality, along with every other natural impulse. Eventually the whole matter of impulse control became the core theme of the monotheistic religions, which allowed the construction of empires out of disparate tribes. But after the Western enlightenment, and arguably, in Eastern countries where monotheism didn't hold, the freedom of the individual started to be more important, and so a return to the question of, how to integrate natural impulses and desires, without crushing the life out of them in puritanical obsessions. Also, historically, matriarchy got flushed out by patriarchy, what with the division of labour which occurred with agriculture. So we have a lot of baggage. And we have post-modern baggage, as post modernity arose largely in literary circles, where things like physics and biology are not really seen as relevant, then the post modern notion that EVERYTHING is a mere cultural and literary construct, has created the meme that all gender and sex is merely a construct, a construct which is exploited for power grabs, and that's the sort of cultural marxist critique of well, everything. So it is a topic laden with baggage all the way down the ages. Perhaps in a hundred years, once we are all free to be ourselves, and free of historical dogmas, and free of post modern dogmas, we'll truly be able to answer questions about what is natural.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Cederic]

Ok, I'm bored and you get to lose as a result.

See "Male privelage."

Assuming you mean 'male privilege' I'm really not sure what the privilege of dying young, getting fucked over by the legal system and being treated by society as a disposable resource has to do with this.

The sex drive in males and females may be equal.

It's not. Sex drive is significantly impacted by testosterone and oestrogen, which is one reason men drinking soy latte are less likely to procreate.

But in our society, men are taught, conditioned, and exposed to influences from an early age that teaches many of them that sex is owed, or expected.

No, they are not. Unless America is so fucking far diverged from Europe that it's an entirely different culture.

Men are taught, conditioned and exposed to influences from an early age that teaches them that sex is rare, fucking expensive, difficult to acquire and they should be a fucking doormat for any woman willing have it with them.

They learn that force is an acceptable part of being a male.

They learn that using force gets you in trouble at school, in the legal system, with the very people you're trying to have sex with. Maybe we have different interpretations of 'acceptable'.

They learn that boys are supposed to be the sexually aggressive member of relationships.

Do they fuck. Nobody stands in front of a class and goes, "Boys, be aggressive when you're having sex".

What they learn is that if they don't approach and proposition women, they stay celibate, because the women will happily fuck the confident man that did approach them instead.

They learn that sex is about them moreso than about their partner.

That'll be why all the mens' magazines I read talk about pleasing your partner. Oh, wait.
Maybe it's because all the womens' magazines I read talk about maximising the woman's orgasm. Oh, wait.
Could it be because sex education at schools discusses shared mutually pleasing relationships. Oh, wait.

Nope, I'm totally fucking lost. Where are boys learning this, and why didn't I get an invite?

Etc.

Translation: Even tempo36 is struggling to make up more bullshit here, please insert your own.

Meanwhile, women are taught that wanting sex, or acting on sexual urges is shameful.

Are they fuck. Have you SEEN the size of the battery powered dildo market?

They're taught that they are worth less if they choose to have sex.

No. They learn that choosing when and with whom to have sex can be leveraged for tremendous rewards, and respond by using those levers.

Other women will despise them if they make it too easy for multiple men to have sex, as that's damaging the other women's ability to control men, but that's got fuck all with the woman's choice to have sex.

They carry the responsibility of birth control.

That's a downright dangerous lie. Women have reproductive rights, men do not, so men need to be responsible for assuring adequate birth control measures because if they don't, they can't subsequently legally prevent substantial financial burden whether it's wanted or otherwise.

To the extent that women can (and do) lie about birth control in order to become pregnant, whether the man wants that or not.

They are taught to be "pretty"

They are taught _how_ to be pretty. They choose for themselves whether they want to be pretty or not.

be polite, be quiet, be respectful, etc.

Strange, I thought everybody was taught how to be polite, be quiet, be respectful, etc. Indeed, boys being forced to be quiet is one reason they're falling so far behind in the education system right now.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Then why is Sexual assault predominantly men assaulting women?

Because when it's a man assaulting a woman it's sexual assault. But when it's a woman assaulting a man, "he got lucky". Often even when it's statutory rape.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

that statement does not mean what you think it means

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

must troll harder

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[No Longer an AC]

Sounds like Jordan Peterson should read Lysistrata

Basically the women were sick of the men always waging war so they refused to have sex until they stopped the violence.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[scamper_22]

I'll bite for the sake of it.

1. Women want and have sex just as much as men. The issue is they only want to have sex upper men.

2. The issue of 'monogamy' allowing distribution of women which has the side impact of reducing crazy aggression is not much different than other arguments. Ever heard someone say... society has to handle economic inequality because if inequality gets too high, people riot, kidnap, steal... and society breaks down. It's pretty much the same argument except in one you're 'robbing someone of their labor' and in the other you're 'controlling someone of their sexuality'.

3. This is just more personal advice than anything. Don't bother with complaining about women. And if you're a women reading this... don't complain about men. Both sexes are who they are and there's enough difference in both genders that chances are, it's you that's the problem. So even if we take all of your observations are 'true'. You believe that women today go for how entertaining a guy is. Alright... that's the hand us guys are dealt according to you. So the advice should be for guys to work on being more entertaining. Even if you think it's shallow... do it to 'rope' her in then show her all the rest of your amazing self. Same with girls... if they think men only care about looks. If that's what they think... then put in the work to look good... then show the guy the real value of your character.... For such an important life choice and purpose to life, most of the people don't put in the kind of work. And it's not that hard work. Get a good haircut, take care of yourself... You don't need to be The Rock or Arnold or Tom Cruise here, but do the basics which take up almost no time, and you'll be able to attract someone. I'm almost 35, and I'm only now looking right. I got married before this, but I look at myself now, and think... shit... I coulda had so many girl all my life if I just put in an hour a week. I do what I do now mainly for work. Sharp haircut, decent clothes... little workout. I spent more time browsing online profiles and stuff before this.

Just do something anything... to make yourself happy. I suffered pretty severe depression or what you call it in my mid 20s, feeling like I was stuck and society was screwed up. I'd never take it out on society like these incels people, but I could have given up on life. I look at myself back then and realize... I could have done so much.

Heck, even if you have no skills with women and you want sex... take a trip overseas and go to thailand. I don't mean that jokingly... I seriously wish I had done that. I had a good job? Do something.

This is probably shitty advice at some level, but take it within the context of what I'm saying. Give up on politics. Give up on society. You're not that powerful or skilled to change it. Get out of your systems thinking head of what is wrong with society and how to arrange it properly. I spent way too much time in my head like that and still do. Just friggin live your life and do things.You'll actually become more capable of actually changing things if you do.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[fuzzyf]

How about you find the link to what Jordan Peterson actually said? with context

I can assure you that he do not have the oppinion you assume on this matter.

Funny how haters always link to some article with someone else posing a straw man.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought he yelled "allah akbar".

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe instead of judging him from a position of ignorance and outrage you should educate yourself on the causes of violence and the consequences of abandoning monogamy. Left to themselves without institutions of marriage human behavior is that a few men have sex with many women and the rest of men rarely have sex with any women, just as in the natural order of pretty much every kind of animal. This is the consequence of the choice by women to have sex with only the most desirable men. Your misinterpretation of monogamy as requiring women to have sex with a specific man is a particularly inexcusable bit of stupidity. It is actually requiring women NOT to have sex with a specific man who is already in a monogamous relationship. This leaves them with the choice between abstaining from sex entirely or choosing a less desirable man. Violence is the evolutionary strategy for solving the problem of lack of access to mating opportunity for males, and the science is pretty clear that inequality in opportunity leads to violence and monogamy as an institution enforced on society reduces violence.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[PopeRatzo]

It is actually requiring women NOT to have sex with a specific man

I have a question: Who the fuck are you or Jordan Peterson to be "requiring" any woman to have or not have sex with anyone? Women are not a commodity who owe you sex (or not). Until you get that through your head, you won't be having any sex.

What did your parents do so wrong to make you and other incels the way that you are?

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[HornWumpus]

Nobody cares that you fuck donkeys. Get over it.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

PopeRatzo with yet another stunning win. I never even heard about this. We're all well aware of Jordan Peterson's pseudo-intellectual ramblings that fall apart the second you consider there are other animals on this planet besides lobsters. I wasn't aware he actively endorsed Sharia Law though, and wishes to enslave all females on earth into sexual servitude for men that natural selection has chosen should not reproduce.

Now we have yet another reason to laugh at him and his frustratingly stupid fans.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Thank you for your input Jordan Peterson. You never fail to surprise us with your utter lack of knowledge of psychology, despite having a phD in it. Your perpetual self-victimization that you call "post-modernism" or "cultural marxism" is why everyone laughs at you; it is glaringly obvious you are a wee little self-victimizing man who truly understands very little about this world. And that is why you attract lesser men with the same intelligence problems. There is a notorious threshold for how smart you can be and still take Jordan Peterson seriously, and it's somewhere around the IQ 72 mark.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Bongo]

Peterson is about 30 years late. The problems with pomo have been known for decades.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

It is quite clear you've never even visited the US, particularly the more right wing areas. Rape is still seen as "her fault for making him do it" in a LOT of the South. Hell there's one guy in my area who's been in jail 16 times for aggravated rape of numerous females, and the police just keep letting him go without bond. He goes to trial, they decide not to prosecute, he goes out and rapes and nearly kills another woman for the 17th time.

Anyways, you've embarrassed yourself enough with trying to make the parent post "lose" even though you clearly cannot explain yourself without sounding like an idiot. We had a great laugh at your expense. Feel free to try and make other people who are much, MUCH smarter than you "lose". Kinda like how Trump keeps "winning" even though his entire administration is about to be indicted.

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[serviscope_minor]

You've brought up fucking donkes twice now apropos nothing.

Despite my better judgement, I must say I'm kinda curious why.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[angel'o'sphere]

Well, I agree with most what you say, however:
A skilled martial artist, a woman, will take down any man who has no fighting skills.
A woman skilled in self defense, who has her wits together hardly will be taken down by any man, regardless if he does martial arts.
And any woman that is used to fighting systems, like Brazilian Ju Jutsu or Judo also will be both very hard to be taken down and on the other hand very easy will take down any man, regardless of size or power.
Unfortunately in western culture people mix up "martial arts", "self defense" and "fighting systems" and think everything is the same, and in some countries "irresponsible teachers" sell "martial arts" as equal to "self defense".
And no, a gun does not help you if you have self defense training. When you realize you are assaulted and about to be raped you are already on the ground and your hand bag with gun is lying 10 feet away elsewhere.

If I would organize schools, martial arts or self defense were mandatory classes on top of the ordinary sports classes. First of all it gives confidence, agility, body power and helps stay fit. Secondly you easy find like minded people from the opposite sex (later in life when you continue the sport and go to a club). Thirdly you don't develop the attitude that you can dominate one and force him/her with physical power to something. Supposed you do some martial art/fighting system, then you have learned that every random person you met during practice is either far more advanced than you: no point in trying to win over them, or so far below you that there is no point in fighting them at all.

Martial arts are a big equalizer. Because the longer you practice them, the more you advance, there is no real upper limit. (Of course every person has their own upper limit, but can only find it by practicing till s/he is really to old to continue)

When you look at the poor sod sitting at the edge of the tatami who does not even know how to knot his belt, you don't laugh about him, but show him how to do it. Because X years before you where that poor sod, and some brown belt came smiling and helped you out.

Anyway, just a random thought about your point regarding "sexual assault is not about the sexual act but more about the feeling of power the assaulter gains", because that is very true!

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Taking stabs at Jordan Peterson?!?
You must be a weak-ass beta-male bitch... who also misrepresents people's words.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Sexual assault is not about desire for sex, it is about power, violence, and serves as a proxy for murder.

Re: Redistribution of Sex

[tempo36]

Well I suppose you responded to a lot of my observations/opinions with ones of your own. Lots of "no it's not, it's this way instead."

I imagine the body of research on men's sexual aggression and societal conditioning is rubbish. And all the work in the feminist movement on changing perceptions on women's right to enjoy or initiate sex is just superfluous and aimed at selling books.

But from reading your post it sounds like you genuinely believe that society really doesn't have a patriarchal leaning that encourages young men, if not by direct messaging then certainly by example, to be sexually aggressive. If that's how you genuinely feel, I don't have the time or energy to try and pull up enough literature and readings to try and change your mind. Frankly, the statements you've made about how men are doormats to women in order to get sex and how women lord their sexual power over men makes you sound like quite the MRA (men as a "disposable resource", women leveraging sex, men are taught to be doormats, boys "forced to be quiet", women "tricking" men into fathering kids, and the idea what you don't know anyone who has committed sexual assault where statistically speaking you almost certainly do). Maybe I'm off point.

I did though find it hilarious that you said "Unless America is so fucking far diverged from Europe that it's an entirely different culture." Really? You don't think that America is a different culture from Europe? Hell, we're a different culture from Canada and Mexico too...why would you possibly think that we're "the same" as Europe?

If the only reason that men were more prone to sexual assault was testosterone, it seems unlikely there would be such a vast quantity of social and psychiatric literature on the topic. We'd just say "gosh, it's the testosterone."

Here's some tidbits though:
When men are taught to be dominant and aggressive, this often leads to hyper-masculinity, male peer support for sexual aggression, development of rape myths, and adversarial sexual beliefs (Kilmartin, 2000; Rozee & Koss, 2001). In his classic study of college date rapists, Kanin’s sample (Kanin, 1985) were significantly more sexually active, but also more sexually frustrated than controls, and believed that rape could be justified under certain conditions.

Few men acknowledged using physical force to obtain sex, whereas more men acknowledged some form of sexual coercion. This included pressuring women and saying things they did not mean to obtain sex, using alcohol to obtain sex, and having sex with a woman even when she wanted to stop. A few men reported some likelihood of raping if they could be sure of not getting caught. (Carr and Van Deusen, 2004).

Although the association between rape and pornography remains controversial, a number of studies have linked violent pornography and sexual arousal to rape depictions, violent sexual fantasies, rape callousness, and woman abuse (DeKeseredy & Schwartz, 1998; Malamuth, 1984; Malamuth & Check, 1983). *this isn't meant to throw porn under the bus, but you asked "where are men learning this?" as if you're naive to the presence of messaging to men that sexual violence is on some level acceptable.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/1...

Re:Redistribution of Sex

[Anonymous Coward]

Vehicle or crowd?

please, don't fling me in dat brier-patch

[john of sparta]

dreams do come true

Re:In other news facebook has gone completely insa

[Narcocide]

Just you wait until this time next year when everyone is shocked and outraged at these pics being leaked.

April Fools!

[Anonymous Coward]

*checks calendar*
It's May?
WTF?

Re:April Fools!

[pjt33]

Maybe they're trying to draw attention away from GDPR? Or maybe they're trying to endure that they're the first company investigated under GDPR for some mysterious reason?

Who's Running This Company?

[rutabagaman]

I'm kind of shocked how tone deaf this is. If a company generally perceived as trustworthy asked the British to send them their nudes, there would be plenty of eyebrows raised. Now how trustworthy is facebook? In the UK?

Re:Who's Running This Company?

[ColdWetDog]

Perhaps they should ask for a credit card number (and expiration date / CVS) along with the naked pictures. Just to prove they're over 18. Don't want any child pornography here.

  Then it will seem totally legit.

Re:Who's Running This Company?

[Anonymous Coward]

Fakebook is #2 on the list of most untrustworthy companies, right behind Micro$haft! The main reason for Fakebook's existence is to collect and sell user data! I would't trust them any farther than I could throw the Empire State building! Anyone stupid enough to send a nude picture of themselves over the internet, deserves what happens when Fakebook sells that picture to every porn site on the net...and they will!!! Repeat after me... Fakebook is a data mining site...Fakebook is a data mining site...Fakebook is a data mining site...Fakebook is a data mining site...Fakebook is a data mining site...Fakebook is a data mining site...Fakebook must DIE...Fakebook must DIE...Fakebook must DIE...Fakebook must DIE...

Re:Who's Running This Company?

[thegarbz]

I'm kind of shocked how tone deaf this is.

Tone deaf to whom? The potential users of the system? Or the legal system? I see this as quite a clever move in defence of potential lawsuits.

"Your honour, Facebook was complicit in the distribution of my nudes to my parents!"
"Your honour, I would direct you to the formal system we have in place to prevent exactly this kind of thing from happening which the prosecuting party voluntarily did not use".

Nice try

[dcollins117]

How about I don't do that. Pretty sure there are no nude photos of me and if there were no one would want to look at them.

It really takes a special snowflake to pose for nude photos and then get upset when people see them. It must be more fun to get angry than to exercise good judgement and not take the pictures in the first place.

Re:Nice try

[Anonymous Coward]

Why was this modded as a troll?

Come on people need to take responsibility for there actions .. if you don't want naked pictures of yourself then stop taking them. It's simple really

Re:Nice try

[Anonymous Coward]

Probably because there isn't a "-1 Retarded" mod.

Re:Nice try

[nukenerd]

Come on people need to take responsibility for there actions .. if you don't want naked pictures of yourself then stop taking them.

Or use a camera that does not promptly upload its contents to the internet without asking. Or don't such things exist any more?

Re:Nice try

[radarskiy]

It really takes a special snowflake to earn money and then get when people steal it. It must be more fun to get angry than to exercise good judgement and not have nice things in the first place.

Re:Nice try

[dcollins117]

Had you the wherewithal to express your idea in a form that other people could understand, it would go a long way.

Re:Nice try

[serviscope_minor]

Had you the wherewithal to express your idea in a form that other people could understand, it would go a long way.

I understood his idea perfectly. He's calling you a hypocrite.

Re:Nice try

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm just gonna upload some pictures of Blue Ray, Seymour Butts and King Dong. That way, if anyone fakes some porn pictures of me they'll have some reasonably accurate dimensions with which to detect the fakes ;-)

Re:Nice try

[angel'o'sphere]

Because you are the troll.

Responsible is not to upload pictures you are not allowed to upload.

I can make pictures of myself or allow my partner to make pictures of me as long as I want. There is nothing irresponsible about that.

April Fools Joke??

[Anonymous Coward]

It's late if it is - otherwise not funny..

April Fools

[Tough Love]

It must be April, mustn't it? I knew Zuck is a voyeur, but I never expected him to be so obvious about it.

FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Utopia]

calculate the image hashes.

There are several libraries available to calculate image hashes that can be built into a desktop tool
For example: https://github.com/JohannesBuc...

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Anonymous Coward]

And someone will make a tool to alter image binaries without affecting the output in like 5 seconds

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[14erCleaner]

They'd get deluged with pranks, such as hashes for pictures of Trump, etc.

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[dyfet]

Indeed, it would be very logical to provide such a utility. But...this? I have to wonder, given how audacious it is, if it really is a kind of social experiment, just to see what they can get away with and what they can get people to do? Emperor Tiberius, to test and demonstrate his power over others, would have children jump off his cliffside retreat. Queue in image of Zuckerberg in a Dr. Evil chair with maniacal laugh...

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Anonymous Coward]

They'd get deluged with pranks, such as hashes for pictures of Trump, etc.

Seeing as the current method is to upload a picture to be hashed server-side, also by an automated system, both methods are equally vulnerable to that form of prank.

Also as they only address such pranks as a reaction, they wouldn't need the original image to look at later and verify, they can simply use the image reported to them as blocked, all after the fact.

If the intent is to preemptively stop that form of prank, neither system can be used as they are both equally vulnerable.

The reason the hash-the-image-locally method is better is they only need the hash stored until someone else finds a picture that matches it.
The current method will give them both the hash and the original image, the latter of which will be much more useful to people trying to hack in to take that data, or employees with access to it.

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[avandesande]

ITFA they mention having a 'specially trained team' of oglers to inspect the photos

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Anonymous Coward]

And this wouldn't be abused at all. Like, say, making a hash of a famous meme pic and uploading it, and having all copies of that meme pic suddenly delete themselves from facebook.

Re: FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Anonymous Coward]

Image hashing is not binary hashing, you fool.

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Calydor]

Well that would make an interesting job ad.

Re: FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Anonymous Coward]

Aka. wankers international

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Anonymous Coward]

You need something that is invariant to changes in the image. We worked on that a decade ago, and these papers I've read on Facebook's techniques indicate very similar technology to what we developed, and was effective.

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Anonymous Coward]

Who else thinks they will be inundated with goatse pics?

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[olddoc]

I agree. If you are afraid of uploading your pictures to FB, why not run the program by releasing the hash calculating software and have the user upload a list of hashes generated from the pictures they don't want released? FB never gets to see the pictures that way.

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Gabest]

Then also send in your "allowed pictures" hash list!

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[PingSpike]

I thought this myself. Release an open source tool to do the hash calculation that then just uploads the hash. No need for facebook to have access to the raw images.

The counter argument was that this tool would be abused to take down things that are not revenge porn and they need a human to look at them and determine hotdog versus not hotdog. That is probably true, but they don't still don't need you to personally upload all your nudes to do that.

All they have to do is wait until some one tries to upload it and then flag it for inspection. Only then have the human at facebook look at the image that has been flagged, if its bad they mark that image hash as "verified bad" and block without human intervention from then on out. Ideally they would then delete the image but even if they didn't that image was already being uploaded so its probably less damaging than doing nothing even if FB still has its grubby hands on it.

This way if nobody ever uploads your nudes FB never needs to see them at all.

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[angel'o'sphere]

And how good are they with images that got scaled down from 2000x1000 to 1000x500, or got cropped, or got piped through picmonkey or brightness got adjusted?
It is pretty challenging to hash pictures different "forms" of the same picture have the same hash.

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Anonymous Coward]

Images of hashes would only allow them to detect the exact image. They're likely after your pictures to train their machine learning models. I guess they could have you train the machine learning and only send the computed model, but most people wouldn't have the processing power or patience to do this.

Re:FB should make downloadable tool available to

[Anonymous Coward]

They're trying to train a model, not block individual images. Its likely their detector can already know when you're sending a naked or clothed person. So unless you have actual nudes of Trump, lol... and if you did, share.

April Fools is Late This Year

[Bruce Perens]

All of you actually fell for this?

Re:April Fools is Late This Year

[HornWumpus]

The Zuck would wish he was blind, if actual /.ers sent him nudes.

Re:April Fools is Late This Year

[Bruce Perens]

If the point was to make a hash of existing nude photos, to recognize them and prevent them from being distributed, that could be done using an app on the user's own computer without ever transmitting the actual photo to anyone else. But hashes are easy to defeat.

This sounds so half-baked that it's really difficult to believe it's an official communication.

Re:April Fools is Late This Year

[93 Escort Wagon]

I believe we've seen this story on Slashdot before... so it must be true!

Re: April Fools is Late This Year

[Anonymous Coward]

X-wink X-wink nudge nudge you morMon!

I don't understand this

[klingens]

Does this mean Facebook is a major revenge porn site? Cause the only way Facebook can prevent revenge porn disemination is, if they are the network where it actually happens.
So do I get this right: Facebook is a hotbed of (illegal) revenge porn sharing? And if so, why are they not suppressing that? Why is no AG suing their pants off for billions or give Zuck some much needed jailtime?

Facebook can and does prevent any publication of a picture with a nipple in their precious "timelines" and such, so they obviously can suppress the same nipples in any other picture that is shared via or travels through their servers. No more nudies from their captive sheep needed.
This sounds more like a "give us your embarassing pictures so we can better blackmail you" kinda thing.

Re:I don't understand this

[Anonymous Coward]

not only that, but if revenge porn is being "blocked" rather than reported as a ToS violation, they can keep the revenge-porner's accounts active and sell a special ad target at them. Might call it incels or something ;-)

Re: I don't understand this

[Anonymous Coward]

I wouldn't call the motivation revenge porn but I have been a member of groups where other males post screenshots of nudes as proof of conquests. (Not something I think is ethical though when your mates bang a stripper, she probably doesn't care as much as your sister would... And what if your sister was a stripper...) Facebook is the medium of sharing but they're usually obtained through snap chat. Snap chat notified you a screenshot has been taken but it does not allow you to broadcast an image with sufficient DRM to make it safe for sharing nudes.

I'm vaguely aware of friends of friends who have videos submitted to redtube. I also don't believe this is revenge porn. One is a prostitute and the other couple involves a.man who has since transitioned into being a women. I believe all uploads in this instance were consentual. Still, it would be nice to think that at some stage you had the right to remove that consent. It's how it should work even if the technological side of it has too many caveats.

Deja vu?

[Anonymous Coward]

Could've sworn this joke article was posted like... 2 years ago now? But then it was Facebook users in general -- not just in UK. Just as then, I can only assume that it must be some kind of "joke".

Not the Onion

[mea2214]

Since the link to the TFA was broke can't tell.

LoL

[PaoloAgati]

April 1st?

This can't really work, right?

[Anonymous Coward]

It's like saying you're a Federal Boobie Inspector, right? No one could *possibly* be that stupid, could they?

Re: This can't really work, right?

[Anonymous Coward]

Only viewers of Hans Olos Toy story = tolsTOYing w/ us.

Client-side fingerprinting

[Anonymous Coward]

Why couldn't they just make a program available that does all of their fingerprinting on the client and sends the fingerprint data back to the mothership?

Re:Client-side fingerprinting

[Anonymous Coward]

would you trust such program that it only fingerprints? suckerberg will finger you...

Re:Client-side fingerprinting

[Anonymous Coward]

Would you trust random people not to upload hashes of non-porn pictures?

Re: Client-side fingerprinting

[Anonymous Coward]

It doesn't matter. If the hash matches something then Facebook can inspect the match.

This is 6 weeks late

[NotPeteMcCabe]

April 1st was weeks ago, guys.

Re: This is 6 weeks late

[Brockmire]

Ugh, 7?

Facebook now thinks, it's the entire Internet.

[OpenSourced]

What about other websites? Will Facebook share the photos with them too? I would really like to know how many photos they get. I mean serious photos, if that word can be applied to this nonsense.

There is only one solution to revenge porn, and it's not technical. Every day recording devices are smaller and more powerful, the sharing of information easier. That trend is not going to change. So it's us that must change, adapt to new technology as we have ever done.

We will have to just stop caring.

Re:Facebook now thinks, it's the entire Internet.

[Anonymous Coward]

They are totally wrong if they think they are the entire internet. I use WhatsApp and Instagram as well too.

OMG! GENIUS!

[Anonymous Coward]

Why didn't I think of this first???? Send me your nudes and I'll prevent them from appearing on other websites. It'll work! Give me the copyright to all the images, and then I'll promise to sue the other website publishers on your behalf. What could go wrong, other than having severe carpel tunnel in one hand?

who is this hacker facebook?

[Idisagree]

and can we trust him with all the nudes?

don't forget...

[Anonymous Coward]

...about sending your bank account credentials to suckerberg.

Facebook Dating?

[dysmal]

I wonder if this is the beginning of their attempt at Facebook Dating? Or Tinderbook?

why cant he get his porn like normal people

[coolmoe2]

Seriously this guy has won my creepiest fucker ever award.

Even if you can upload the image to them to "fingerprint" images are often cropped and converted to other image formats and recompressd which fucks that up. So unless they have some super AI that can detect that from a 2nd generation repost this wont work.

Just as a side note if some super porn sniffing AI can do this can I get access to it for purely scientific reasons.

Re:why cant he get his porn like normal people

[Anonymous Coward]

You don't want access to the AI. You want access to the training set of images...

Re:why cant he get his porn like normal people

[Anonymous Coward]

no you want it to generate porn not merely researching the same video over and over

Re:why cant he get his porn like normal people

[Anonymous Coward]

As I noted earlier, been there done that, a decade ago. It's a solved problem.

Re:why cant he get his porn like normal people

[worf_mo]

Even if you can upload the image to them to "fingerprint" images are often cropped and converted to other image formats and recompressd which fucks that up. So unless they have some super AI that can detect that from a 2nd generation repost this wont work.

Images can be fingerprinted or hashed with the help of perceptual hashing (alternative article). These hashes will match even if the original image has been cropped, resized, changed in color or rotated (to a certain extent).

See also Block Mean Value Based Image Perceptual Hashing (2006):

Image perceptual hashing has been proposed to identify or authenticate image contents in a robust way against distortions caused by compression, noise, common signal processing and geometrical modifications, while still holding a good discriminability for different ones in sense of human perception.

Re:why cant he get his porn like normal people

[serviscope_minor]

Even if you can upload the image to them to "fingerprint" images are often cropped and converted to other image formats and recompressd which fucks that up. So unless they have some super AI that can detect that from a 2nd generation repost this wont work.

Depends on the fingerprinting technique. They're not all robust to everything, of course, but things like locality sensitive hashing is somewhat robust to things like recompression or mild cropping.

Re:why cant he get his porn like normal people

[Anonymous Coward]

> So unless they have some super AI that can detect that from a 2nd generation repost this wont work.
They do have this super AI. It is how they can recognize you in pictures. Now they're simply applying it to your ass instead of your face.

Facebook confirmed for world-class troll

[Rick Schumann]

They've GOT to be kidding.
Someone, please, burn Facebook to the ground, and put Zuckerbergs' head on a pole on their front lawn.

A bit late - wrong time, wrong place

[Anonymous Coward]

If this were in the US some years ago, the Kardashians would never have happened.

Re: Better: Dump Facebook!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

Facebook user === idiot

Check!

Can I be a Facebook admin???

[Anonymous Coward]

I promise to *ahem* hold all data in the strictest confidence!

A Clear Analogy!

[Anonymous Coward]

In Pakistan, girls are told to get married early so that they don't get raped.

Re: A Clear Analogy!

[Anonymous Coward]

Sextreme solution
You damn scroundel Uh-huh D'oh and all thiz shit

Re: A Clear Analogy!

[Anonymous Coward]

Muslims tell people they won't steal from them, take their daughters and wives as sex slaves or kill them because they only do that to enemies.

Job Application

[Anonymous Coward]

Dear Facebook,

How may I apply for a position in the team reviewing these pictures?

Yours sincerely,

Anonymous Coward

Re: Job Application

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey hey hey! Dont look on my breast - Jeanette yacksohn

This is insane!

[Anonymous Coward]

No really, call me old fashioned if you like, but this is completely, off the wall, insane.

Ultimate Nightmare Scenario

[hyades1]

Hacked and disseminated: Scotland's contribution of several million "up-kilt" escalator shots.

This is from the Onion...right......right?

[Papaspud]

I will personally volunteer my time reviewing pics, might be Russian hacker pics or something.

Weird Fetish

[avandesande]

Why do they want British nudes?

Re:Weird Fetish

[Anonymous Coward]

The teeth.

Re:Weird Fetish

[Anonymous Coward]

Some say ugly women at home build global empires.

Recruitment tool

[Nethemas the Great]

They must be in need of additional engineers.

At last

[SuperKendall]

Finally the end game of Zuckerburg's master plan emerges. As with most males, it ended up being a convoluted plan to get terribly quality nude images of women from an internet awash with professionally photographed porn.

Nude Pic Insurance!

[Zorro]

Just send me all the nude photos of you and $20 year to me and I will ensure they aren't posted to the internet.

But if you miss a payment well...

I can just see the emails

[lsllll]

Next thing you know, I'm getting emails with subjects like "Add 4 more inches"

Passing victims

[Brockmire]

What grading system does the UK use to fail victims? How does one pass at being a victim?

Right..

[viperidaenz]

So I a revenge porn posted would have to do would be to open the image in MS Paint and write "slut" or something across part of the image, which they'd do anyway to prevent Facebook from detecting it immediately as nudity.

Will FB be violating child porn laws

[Anonymous Coward]

If a15 yo uploads photos of a sexual nature then will fb be breaking the law by storing them?

Its legit because its facebook

[maas15]

Every time I try to do that I get accused of extortion

What could go wrong?

[Anonymous Coward]

'Nuff said.

Seen cauliflower ear

[technosaurus]

Hope to never see cauliflower labia.

Re:Seen cauliflower ear

[Anonymous Coward]

I could have gone another hundred years without the ideation of that concept.

Nude Money

[sdinfoserv]

Quick FB users! Send me your money and I'll prevent others from stealing it from you!

don't dress like a whore

[Anonymous Coward]

It's a troll because:

If you don't wanna get robbed, lock your doors.
If you don't wanna get murdered, don't piss anyone off.
If you don't wanna get raped, stop dressing like a whore

All those things still happen no matter if you do or do not. It's a bullshit argument tactic.

Re:don't dress like a whore

[Anonymous Coward]

Ah, but those arguments are not bullshit if on average they reduce the probability of those things happening. There is a difference between blaming a victim for the act entirely and assigning some small responsibility to the victim. If you walk around by yourself at night in the highest crime neighborhoods wearing gold chains and a rolex when you did not need to be, then it can be argued that you are being irresponsible. That does not absolve the guy who robs you.

Suggestion

[Huge_UID]

I suggest that those of you with with Facebook accounts submit deepfake images of Mark Zuckerberg's face on that naked statue of Trump.

Don't they already have facial recognition?

[Anonymous Coward]

Check a box on your profile maybe provide facial profile pictures then their facial recognition can remove "nudes" pictures with your face. Just stupid to upload your pictures of your shrunk junk and what? The AI will extrapolate the rest? Stupid is as stupid does.

What could possibly go wrong??

[Anonymous Coward]

There are some many ways these pictures can get misused or leaked, I am not going to list it here.

This is a bad idea. Don't do it.

Re:

[Anonymous Coward]

So, who is starting the facebook porn website?

Twins be damned!

[Anonymous Coward]

Or triplets etc.

Short Facebook stock now

[Anonymous Coward]

I had trouble believing this hilariously terrible idea is real, but apparently it is. Orlando Sentinel is a real newspaper.

Facebook is doomed.

Re:Short Facebook stock now

[Anonymous Coward]

Facebook's post

GDPR

[jrumney]

Is this just Facebook giving the finger to the GDPR? Every other website is tightening their privacy policies and taking more care over the data they collect and Facebook goes off in the opposite direction.

Facebook... A request.

[Anonymous Coward]

Please fuck the fuck off, Facebook.

How about NO

[Anonymous Coward]

Seriously, what the fuck?

What they _could_ do is release some software to fingerprint pictures and allow people to do their own. Hell even the ability to submit and md5 or something.

But send them your porn? Fuck now. Rot in prison.

Capatch: stupid

Re:How about NO

[Anonymous Coward]

s/now/no/ s/capatch/capatcha/

Tripcodes Slashdot. Please?

Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[Goonie]

I haven't personally, but I have spent at length with people whose job includes helping the victims of "revenge porn" (or image-based abuse, as they prefer to more accurately call it), and they have generally welcomed this development. I was at the conference was this was launched in Australia, and applause went around the room.

This is *not* intended as a general "send your nudes to Facebook and get them blocked" service. This is for a smaller group of people who have specific reason to believe that specific images are either likely to be circulated, or are already circulating in Facebook Messenger.

For people in this situation, sometimes, having a Facebook admin look at your nude pictures, while much less than ideal, is far less of a problem than letting those pictures circulate to people like your family, friends, and employer. Doing this, or threatening to do so, is a common technique of domestic abuse.

I agree with the critiques that it would be far, far better if you didn't have to send the image itself to Facebook to be hashed, but a) Facebook, not unreasonably, doesn't want the blocking service used for purposes other than that intended, b) the photo hashing technology is proprietary and they don't want it reverse-engineered if they can avoid it, and c) doing the hashing locally is going to create usability issues for users who are often not particularly technology-savvy.

I wouldn't for a minute suggest that this is a perfect system. But take your male middle-class tech geek glasses of for one fucking second and try listening to the people whom this system has been put in place to help.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[Anonymous Coward]

Just off the top of my head, things that could go wrong with this:

- Data breach, your photos are leaked far wider than any revenge porn photos ever would be (https://www.wired.com/2015/08/happened-hackers-posted-stolen-ashley-madison-data/)
- Facebook employees abusing their privileges (https://gizmodo.com/facebook-fired-the-security-engineer-accused-of-abusing-1825713722)
- 3rd party Facebook app developers gain access to your photos ( *Cambridge Analytica* )
- Someone gains access to the device you used to take the photos
etc.

Information wants to be free

Best intentions aside, this is an asinine, tone deaf approach to the problem.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[Anonymous Coward]

a) You could get people to submit a hash plus a description of the image it was generated from. If the hash is found to match other images (such as pictures of Trump) then remove it from the database.

b) I accept this objection.

c) In practice almost every "professional" web site demands that people use an up-to-date browser. You could perhaps compute hashes in the browser without major usability issues. Obviously you would have to warn the user that it might take a while.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[sad_]

maybe not take any pictures (of videos) of yourself that you don't want anybody else to see.
sounds like a much simpler plan to me.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry this system is dumb if it is based on image hashes. They are easily changed with any image manipulation. A reasonable rational and worthwhile system would be attempting to match image features and since the only nudes that should concern you would have your face, Facebook really only needs a headshot.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh look, a retarded feminazi has got lost. How about you put on some male middle-class tech-glasses and learn why published algorithms are not a security risk. Hashing is trivial. You cannot reconstruct an image from a hash.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[Anonymous Coward]

You might not have heard of it yet but sometimes people actually love and therefore trust each other, even at the risk of that trust being abused later. The person to blame then is the one who published the confidential pictures and not the victim.That would be like blaming You, after Your favorite online shop disclosed Your credit card details to the world after You wrote a negative review. I mean, how stupid of You, to give them the number, right? It's much simpler to just pay with cash in proper stores. Trust is for weak losers. Seriously...

It's really sad to read those comments of people who apparently have no idea of how other people think and feel.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[Anonymous Coward]

And build a time machine to retroactively put this plan to action.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[Goonie]

Computing the hashes in the browser means you've still got problem b).

And preventing reverse-engineering of this is a big deal, as these techniques aren't just used to block revenge porn involving adults - as I understand it's used to track kiddie porn distribution too.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[cmseagle]

I can't believe I had to scroll through dozens of up-modded comments before finding someone making this point. I don't have mod points, but thank you for the thoughtful post.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[Goonie]

Algorithms, you say. You mean, like the one in the academic paper for an IEEE journal I just finished reviewing?

Hashing is trivial. The method being used by FB is not simple hashes, and it's Microsoft's proprietary tech. It's also used for keeping one step ahead of kiddie pornographers.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[angel'o'sphere]

Most likely you wanted one single person to see it.
So?

What is your point now?

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[angel'o'sphere]

Luckily, that you have no nod points!
His comment was utterly stupid and you wanting to mod him up is even more stupid.

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[cmseagle]

Fortunately I didn't need them, because his comment was already modded to +5. Thanks for your feedback!

Re:Have any of you ever dealt with revenge pr0n?

[Anonymous Coward]

I agree with the critiques that it would be far, far better if you didn't have to send the image itself to Facebook to be hashed, but a) Facebook, not unreasonably, doesn't want the blocking service used for purposes other than that intended, b) the photo hashing technology is proprietary and they don't want it reverse-engineered if they can avoid it, and c) doing the hashing locally is going to create usability issues for users who are often not particularly technology-savvy.

Why would a photo hash algorithm need to be proprietary? It's not like knowing how they hash the photo is useful. There are hundreds of hashing algorithms out there, any one of which would suit to detect duplicate images (assuming a large enough hash to avoid false positives).

It's not like anyone needs to know the hashing algorithm to defeat it either. Run a photoshop filter, crop an edge, add a watermark or text... any of the above will defeat any hashing algorithm ever conceived.

What possible value is there in them preserving their algorithm's secret? No, it's clear that option a) is the real issue here. Facebook wants to minimize the images that can be blocked, because otherwise they're opening up a mass censorship tool to abuse. The only pics that will be blocked by this are ones they've had the opportunity to vet themselves and prove they're actually porn, not political commentary or memes done up as a joke.

I am starting a website

[Anonymous Coward]

Please send me your nudes, I want to ensure there is no inappropriate use... ;-)

We have state of the art security!

[Anonymous Coward]

We promise no one but our carefully selected team of wankers will ever see our massive trove of your naked pictures! Honest we will never be hacked!

Turns out

[radarskiy]

Facebook already has all your nude photos. They're just making you submit your own copies for identity verification.

Re:Turns out

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry, but we only hire honest people.

Re:Turns out

[Anonymous Coward]

Exactly this.
They are fine-tuning their face recognition system with verified photos.

Orly

[Anonymous Coward]

Iâ(TM)ll get right on that...

I think that's the idea

[Solandri]

I think that's the idea. Nobody submits their photos because of how creepy/stupid this is. But when Facebook gets sued for helping distribute revenge porn, they tell the judge "Your Honor (or whatever they call them in the UK), we have a system in place designed to prevent exactly this type of incident from ever happening. But the victim refused to participate. Therefore the fault is entirely hers, not ours.

Re:I think that's the idea

[Anonymous Coward]

"My Liege"

Re:I think that's the idea

[AmiMoJo]

That definitely wouldn't fly in a UK court.

Re:I think that's the idea

[stealth_finger]

...they tell the judge "Your Honor (or whatever they call them in the UK),

It's still your honour but spelt right. ;)

Re:I think that's the idea

[ArsenneLupin]

Well people who consider themselves at a particularly big risk of revenge porn might participate (after a nasty break-up, and where such pictures are known to exist and to indeed be in the hands of the vengeful ex). Might only be a small minority, but for these the risks of "sharing" the pictures with facebook might indeed be dwarfed by the risk of the ex to do something funny.

All the other users don't indeed need to bother.

Re:I think that's the idea

[Anonymous Coward]

... they tell the judge "Your Honor (or whatever they call them in the UK) ...

The judge is called "Your Honour", just remember to pronounce the extra U.

Re:I think that's the idea

[wiretrip]

I agree. Or maybe this is the ultimate 'dead cat' strategy. Make an outrageous demand of the users so people concentrate on that and forget all the other shit going on with FaeceBook at the moment...

Re:I think that's the idea

[Anonymous Coward]

It’s still your honour but spelt right.

It’s still your honour but spelled right.

you’re welcome :-P

goatse.cx

[Anonymous Coward]

That is all.

CLickhole

[Anonymous Coward]

This is an Onion story, surely.

Disingenuous Citation is Disingenuous

[Anonymous Coward]

You made the following explicit claim (emphasis added):

The first one was when incels and Jordan Peterson demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders.

You provided the following links, neither of which mention Jordan Peterson:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://forward.com/schmooze/4...

You mention 'Robin Hanson's blog' but did not provide any link. Assuming you meant the following link from one of the articles, it does not mention Jordan Peterson either:

http://www.overcomingbias.com/...

So you have not provided any citation where Jordan Peterson is even mentioned, let alone that he specifically "demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders". Apparently your sources refer to "incels" for the first part of your claim, but the second part is unsubstantiated by the citations:

Jordan Peterson demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders.

One could assert in a similar manner that "Donald Trump and PopeRatzo bragged about grabbing women by the pussy" and cite cnn.com with the same level of evidence you as what you had provided: i.e. absolutely none for the second party mentioned, who is never mentioned in any of the linked sources.

So do you have any actual evidence -- specifically an unabridged direct quote of him for the full context -- that Jordan Peterson "demanded that women have sex with [him] to prevent mass murders"?

Re:Disingenuous Citation is Disingenuous

[AmiMoJo]

His basic idea is that we go back to 50s style social pressure to be monogamous, even to the detriment of women. Women's freedom to leave abusive partners or to have causal relationships would be removed.

He is deliberately vague about what this means in practice, but since it happened before and he hasn't offered any alternatives we can only imagine that's what he wants. He does talk about the 50s in a positive light, along with some bizarre misinformation about lobsters.

In fact he has created a new logical fallacy: argument ad nephropidae.

Re:Disingenuous Citation is Disingenuous

[Anonymous Coward]

His basic idea is that we go back to 50s style social pressure to be monogamous, even to the detriment of women. Women's freedom to leave abusive partners or to have causal relationships would be removed.

I read his book. This is not my take-away from it at all. He is not particularly concerned with women at all, as far as I can tell. His messages are mostly about helping men be happy, and his advise is _exclusively_ composed of things that people can do _themselves_ without relying on social pressure. A monogamous lifestyle is one of the things that he says contributes to happiness because it contributes to a stable family which contributes to stable lifestyle. But for him this is a purely personal choice.

I've also listened to a lot of his lectures and speeches. In my understanding of his utterances, he is very much against using social pressure to force people into _anything_. He goes so far as to call this social Marxism. He is particularly famous for objecting to people using social pressure to force him to use certain pronouns for people who claim not to be their "gender assigned at birth".

I happen to know from your other postings that you are a transgender person. Given your misrepresentation of what Peterson says, I suspect that this last point may be causing you emotional distress and that distress causes you misinterpret what Peterson is saying. But maybe I'm wrong.

Re:Disingenuous Citation is Disingenuous

[Cederic]

Women's freedom to leave abusive partners or to have causal relationships would be removed.

I thought you were in the UK. You really should be more careful about libel laws, unless you can link to evidence Peterson expects, wants, promotes or would even accept that.

He is deliberately vague about what this means in practice, but since it happened before and he hasn't offered any alternatives we can only imagine that's what he wants

It's very telling that you imagine he wants a dystopian outcome, when he hasn't stated that at all.

some bizarre misinformation about lobsters

Holy fuck. Are you Cathy fucking Newman? To which fucking 'bizarre misinformation' are you referring?

Re:Disingenuous Citation is Disingenuous

[Anonymous Coward]

It's very telling that you imagine he wants a dystopian outcome, when he hasn't stated that at all.

It's typical AmiMojo telling other people what they think. ...even when he made a journal entry complaining about other people doing it to him

https://slashdot.org/journal/3...

Re:Disingenuous Citation is Disingenuous

[AmiMoJo]

Do you even know what libel is?

Re:Disingenuous Citation is Disingenuous

[AmiMoJo]

Well that sounds ineffective. Clearly the kind of monogamy he wants (to help incels) is not likely to be a personal choice many women make.

Re:Disingenuous Citation is Disingenuous

[Cederic]

Yes. Libel is defamation of a person through a permanent form of communication, and defamation is the expression of an untrue insinuation against a personâ(TM)s reputation.

You very much insinuated that Peterson supported removing the right of women to leave an abusive partner or have casual relationships. That's defamatory, and as you used a permanent form of communication, that makes it libel.

Luckily for you I suspect Peterson has better things to do with his life than sue the thousands of total fuckwits that actionably impugn him online.

Re:Disingenuous Citation is Disingenuous

[Anonymous Coward]

Well that sounds ineffective.

Quite amusing you called Petersen for being vague, but here you are making such a vague comment.

Clearly

He said, while being vague.

the kind of monogamy he wants

...which is what kind, exactly? Again, very vague there. Didn't even quote the GP on which parts of his description of Petersen's position that you're objecting to.

is not likely

"Likely", a word that inserts more vagueness

to be a personal choice many women make.

Interesting that the GP spoke of him giving advice to men, things that they (men) can do themselves, and is against forcing others, but then you went on to talk about a woman's choice.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Canary?

[Anonymous Coward]

If people are ok with this, they will also be ok with crypto key escrow... And we will all be screwed, nudes or not.

Where do i sign up for this job?

[tigersha]

I promise I wont look, really!

Won't work anyway

[religionofpeas]

Pretty soon, people will be making fake revenge porn by putting the face of their ex-friend on the naked body of someone else. It will look good enough to embarrass the victim, and impossible to detect using Facebook's filters.

Re:Won't work anyway

[zifn4b]

"Social media", still think it's a good idea? Hmm...

Here we go again . . .

[Anonymous Coward]

I've got an idea. We can use all the nude photos in a type of ratings website, where people (lets say college students) can scroll through them all and click "hot" or "not" on each picture. Let's call this website "The Nudebook.". Wait, lets drop the "The". Just "Nudebook". I've got a feeling this is going to be big. . . . .

Re:What about the FB employee stalking women...

[wolfheart111]

Ya... it was just in the news... they fired him.

A superb tool

[Anonymous Coward]

Great, now I can take down any image from FB but sending that in myself?

Re: Better: Dump Facebook!!!

[michelcolman]

I can only imagine how that meeting went. "I wonder if we can get our users to send in their nude pictures voluntarily, just by asking them." - "Great idea, let's find out, this might actually work!"

Or maybe Zukerberg really just wants to see one particular girl nude, and he figured it wouldn't draw suspicion if he did it this way.

Women not wanting sex... yeah right...

[Anonymous Coward]

Nobody wants more sex than women!

PROTIP: What people say is not what they do.

In non-religitard cultures you can actually see it. Add alcohol and reality will come out.

But frankly, every girl/woman I ever had, or was told about, wanted sex more often than me or her boyfriend.

The secret is that you actually need some fucking imagination in bed, guys! And allow women to allow it to themselves. Cause they are too insecure and society too fucked-up, to allow their sexual feelings to rule their mind.

Women destroy your mind or use men

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, if a woman wants to dominate you in a way equivalent to rape, she can more easly than a man.

She will fuck up your mind until you are factually neuro-lingually programmed to snap and do something that gets his life destroyed,

or they will just play the damsel, and get all the men surrounding you to hate / beat / rape you.

Easy peasy.

Can you tag the people you know?

[Anonymous Coward]

Look, there's my boss! And there's grandma!

So now I have to edit pictures?

[olddoc]

If this works based on a hash, how hard would it be to make some minor edits to a picture before uploading it? It seems to me a simple crop, text overlay, contrast fix, image tilt or any other change would allow a picture to pass scrutiny. Will FB send me a fail notice: "Your picture has been recognized as being prohibited by the owner, please edit it and resubmit"

Re:So now I have to edit pictures?

[Goonie]

It's not a simple hash. They're using PhotoDNA, which is claimed to be "resistant to alterations in the image, including resizing and minor color alterations".

While I'm not an expert on PhotoDNA itself, I doubt the algorithm is going to be resistant to a determined effort to circumvent it by somebody with the ability to try as many images as they want before their photo passes as different. Therefore, it's unlikely to be put client-side, or in an environment where images are fed to it by untrusted users without human review.

LIAR!

[Anonymous Coward]

That quote is not in that article. You are a liar. You got caught in a lie and you are lying more to try to get out of it.

Or you are a troll.

Here's what I don't understand...

[zifn4b]

Why can't Facebook send these users an app that runs against their nude pictures to produce the machine learning data that FB needs to identify the revenge porn without actually sending nudes to FB? Common sense, so rare...

Re:Here's what I don't understand...

[Goonie]

Aside from the usability issues (remember, many of the people who need this service is far less tech-savvy than you are and even downloading a separate app is likely to be a challenge for some) putting the code in an app would almost certainly allow somebody to reverse-engineer the algorithm and figure out a way to produce images that look very similar to the human eye but nevertheless are not flagged as similar. Even the ability to submit arbitrary images without human filtering could be used for this.

Re:Here's what I don't understand...

[zifn4b]

BS, it's an app that takes a picture like SnapChat and then computes some data and sends it to FB. Not hard. You have no clue what you're talking about.

New Name

[Anonymous Coward]

Crotchbook? Assbook? Nudeybook?

Why not hashes instead

[Anonymous Coward]

I realize that sha256 and ssdeep are not as fun as the actual pics, butt.... (see what I did there?)

FB: pics or it didn't happen

[bingoUV]

So Facebook is indulging in the childish argument of "pics or it didn't happen".

Well

[DaMattster]

The best way to prevent revenge porn is to not send digital nudes to your boyfriend or girlfriend and to not even use Facebook in the first place.

Re:Hello dear American Catholibans

[Anonymous Coward]

That sounds all good, until you realize that Germans look horrible

offtopic, but I can't help it

[Anonymous Coward]

Nice to see the old "it's woman's fault" argument again. Something tells me that if all women started dressing like nuns, the raping eouldn't cease.

A friend tried this in high school...

[biggaijin]

But none of the girls replied to his request.

Send pics to Nudebook...

[Anonymous Coward]

Zuck will keep them safe.

Honeypot setup to attract hackers?

[drstevep]

Sounds like a giant honeypot scheme.

1. Set up a site with backend code to store images in a set database.
2. Discard images that are submitted.
3. Prepopulate the database with trash images.
4. Publicize the site/
5. Watch for hackers attacking the site.

Be interesting to see what kinds of leads they get...

Re:Hello dear American Catholibans

[Boutzev]

Exactly. That's the reason why they can roaam naked all day without fear of unexpected erections.

Amazingly naive

[Sqreater]

You would think that after so many years in computer and network tech that they would understand that this information will eventually be hacked and used against people. Just stupid, like people putting passwords online in central password storage.

Nice try Zuck

[Anonymous Coward]

This was his endgame for The Facebook all along.

Can I apply for the reviewer position?

[wardrich86]

I need to make sure people aren't trying to pull a fast one by submitting photoshops or pictures of people that aren't them.

And yet ...

[Anonymous Coward]

... you all still keep using Facebook.

Of all the dystopian Sci-Fi futures enumerated in verse or film, have any of them ever touched on the origin story? What led to the dystopia? 'Cause it's really starting to look like we are on that path.

Hooli...errr Facebook ads

[pahosler]

Facebook has convinced me that they are completely on the up and up, I'm so excited about being able to login with a d*ck p*c!

Confused

[easyTree]

I thought they already have an app for this although some people take pictures of food.

Context?

[denzacar]

There ya go...
All you had to do was click on the link... right there... in that original washingtonmonthly.com article.
It's like... the first link in the article. Really weird how you missed it.

Disclaimer: I hereby declare that I am not responsible for any incels rage-killing people on account of not getting any pussy or, following Peterson's ideas stated below, deciding to practice some of ye old traditional forced monogamy through the ye old traditional practice of ye old kidnapping of "brides".

From TFA:

Recently, a young man named Alek Minassian drove through Toronto trying to kill people with his van.
Ten were killed, and he has been charged with first-degree murder for their deaths, and with attempted murder for 16 people who were injured.
Mr. Minassian declared himself to be part of a misogynist group whose members call themselves incels. The term is short for "involuntary celibates," though the group has evolved into a male supremacist movement made up of people - some celibate, some not - who believe that women should be treated as sexual objects with few rights.
Some believe in forced "sexual redistribution," in which a governing body would intervene in women's lives to force them into sexual relationships.

Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.

"He was angry at God because women were rejecting him," Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. "The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That's actually why monogamy emerges."

Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution.
Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldn't make either gender happy in the end.

"Half the men fail," he says, meaning that they don't procreate. "And no one cares about the men who fail."
I laugh, because it is absurd.

"You're laughing about them," he says, giving me a disappointed look. "That's because you're female."

But aside from interventions that would redistribute sex, Mr. Peterson is staunchly against what he calls "equality of outcomes," or efforts to equalize society.
He usually calls them pathological or evil.

He agrees that this is inconsistent.
But preventing hordes of single men from violence, he believes, is necessary for the stability of society.
Enforced monogamy helps neutralize that.

In situations where there is too much mate choice, "a small percentage of the guys have hyper-access to women, and so they don't form relationships with women," he said.
"And the women hate that."

And that's just one part of the interview.
You should read the part where he confuses Jungian bullshit, fairy tales, metaphors and reality when he starts talking about dragons, swamps and witches.
And here I thought he was illiterate only when it comes to statistics. Turns out he's illiterate even in his own supposed field of expertise.
Probably why he now lives off of what he can beg for through his Youtube channel from clueless gullible idiots who buy into his bullshit.

I'm sorry... Did I say clueless gullible idiots? I meant "divine loci of consciousness".

Lysistrata? I don't know...

[denzacar]

I personally find that Cpl. Josh Ray Person puts Jordan Peterson's pussy redistribution theory into its proper perspective.