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57% of Tech Workers Are Suffering From Job Burnout, Survey Finds (bleepingcomputer.com)
An anonymous reader writes: A survey conducted among the tech workers, including many employees of Silicon Valley's elite tech companies, has revealed that over 57% of respondents are suffering from job burnout. The survey was carried out by the makers of an app that allows employees to review workplaces and have anonymous conversations at work, behind their employers' backs. Over 11K employees answered one question -- if they suffer from job burnout, and 57.16% said "Yes."
The company with the highest employee burnout rate was Credit Karma, with a whopping 70.73%, followed by Twitch (68.75%), Nvidia (65.38%), Expedia (65.00%), and Oath (63.03% -- Oath being the former Yahoo company Verizon bought in July 2017). On the other end of the spectrum, Netflix ranked with the lowest burnout rate of only 38.89%, followed by PayPal (41.82%), Twitter (43.90%), Facebook (48.97%), and Uber (49.52%).
The company with the highest employee burnout rate was Credit Karma, with a whopping 70.73%, followed by Twitch (68.75%), Nvidia (65.38%), Expedia (65.00%), and Oath (63.03% -- Oath being the former Yahoo company Verizon bought in July 2017). On the other end of the spectrum, Netflix ranked with the lowest burnout rate of only 38.89%, followed by PayPal (41.82%), Twitter (43.90%), Facebook (48.97%), and Uber (49.52%).
But, allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like itâ(TM)s a peach of cake.
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My blood pressure has never been higher!
Not to mention my managers who openly joke about how being stressed "is just something you deal with" and openly laugh about it in front of me anytime someone mentions it.
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>> one question -- if they suffer from job burnout, and 57.16% said "Yes."
I doubt they know what burnout is then. Are you dragging yourself to work AND finding yourself still getting there two hours late because fuckit AND then working at home past when you really wanted to go to bed multiple nights in a row AND hating your job AND not caring if the current deathmarch you are on actually yields a product? Then, yes, you're burned out and it's time to find a cush corporate job or maybe just a few weeks of beach/mountain/whatever. Did someone at work hurt your feelings this week but you're still OK with the work for the money? Well then not so much.
Nowhere in the article did they define what "burnout" means. So what does it mean? Can it be cured with a $250K salary?
Another useless study. I think I'm burned out on useless studies.
Tech work culture is seriously broken when 80 hour weeks and never going on vacation for any reason is encouraged and celebrated. Burnout under such conditions is inevitable.
Long on call hours. Declining inflation adjusted wages. Having to spend hours and hours of your own time training because companies don't train anymore. Constant threats of outsourcing or being replaced by an H1-B applicant (despite the fact that that is explicitly illegal).
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I demand at least 3 weeks a year of vaca time. I donâ(TM)t always use it all but if I feel burn out coming on I can take a 3 or 4 day weekend and still have time for a proper holiday.
40 hour work weeks, enforced. 30 days paid vacation per year, plus holidays and weekends. If you work overtime one week, you get those hours back the next week. Everyone gets two days off in a row every week. If you give up those days for some special reason, you get comp vacation time to be used within the next month. Everyone takes all their vacation, every year.
At least it would have been if I wasn't so burnt out.
If companies were to regularly take 10-20% of their profits and divide them up into bonuses for employees who work overtime, I bet a lot of these people would be much happier. Where I work, it is just a given that even if you brought in a few million dollars of new work for the company, if you're not "management," you typically don't see a bonus. Then they wonder why no one below management tends to give a damn about finding new business unless they're guaranteed a salaried slot on it (which is rare, so motivation is low).
... because that word describes my current situation quite well. I do work a ton, on quite demanding stuff and by taking lots of risk. Currently, I am not precisely earning a lot. But I do love my job, perhaps even a bit too much. And I think that this is the key issue here: really liking what you do or not.
"Most of tech workers not liking their jobs are suffering from job burnout" sounds more descriptive of the actual reality. The tech world does seem quite tough for those not truly enjoying it, in general or under the given conditions.
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Join a technology union. I'm sure your libtard leaders who increased H1B slave labor, er, um, visas every year won't mind a bit. It's the "liberal" thing to do really. Only a corporate fascist in Democratic Party clothing would object.
Tech work culture is seriously broken when 80 hour weeks and never going on vacation for any reason is encouraged and celebrated. Burnout under such conditions is inevitable.
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I've done a lot of Peopleware like consulting, mostly for software development teams. The IT office space is in general the enemy of these teams. They are noisy and destroy your concentration. You can only break someones concentration for a finite number per day, certainly with introverts, after that the dev is just excausted. As a rule of thumb, the correlation is more people wearing headphones -> more burnout. It's fucked up that people need to wear headphones to attempt to do their work, and a clear sign the environment is poison to their jobs. Of course they put all these people in the same space, to save money. Hardly ever do they do the math, and contemplate how much it costs them in burnout and turnover.
Does this result argue for wider adoption of Netflix's H.R. model, as expressed in the manifesto that went viral a few years back? Namely:
1. Hire "A" players, because the competence of one's coworkers is a large contributor to employee satisfaction.
2. Don't use golden handcuffs as a means of mitigating hiring churn; you want employees to stay at the company because they want to be there. Employees choose how much stock they want vs. cash.
3. Don't use performance based bonuses; high performance is the base level expectation, not something to be singled out and rewarded.
4. "We're a team, not a family." You don't "cut" people from a family; you do "cut" people from a pro sports team.
5. "Hard work - Not Relevant". They care about productivity, not how hard you worked to be productive.
6. Low tolerance for "brilliant jerks".
7. Pay "top of market" wages. "One outstanding employee gets more done and costs less than two 'adequate' employees." "Employees should feel they are being paid well relative to other options in the market."
I'm not surprised that a significant number of users who don't feel comfortable talking to coworkers without anonymity are feeling burnout at work. This wasn't a commissioned study with careful target sampling, they just showed this question to their users. The title of this article should be "57% of Tech Workers Who Use The Blind App Are Suffering From Job Burnout, Survey Finds".
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
Try working construction for minimum wage and not knowing where your next job will come from. Then have your blood pressure tested.
Ahh the "staving people in Africa" argument your mother made to get you to eat your vegetables. Great example of the fallacy of relative privation. Just because other people have it worse doesn't mean you should be grateful for a possibly better but still bad situation.
Does anyone know how this compares with other professions?
If you work under such conditions by choice then it is on your shoulders alone.
No, you're wrong. Those working conditions are spreading everywhere. Companies have figured out that instead of hiring more people, they can force others to work more for the same pay.
Don't like it? Get out. And then there's the bullshit of "well, others are doing it!"
And the days of walking out of one job into another are gone - unless you're in the hot skill du jour. Which these days is AI. And god forbid you're over 40: things get real hard then.
And then how does one check on that when interviewing? I had questions about hours and being on call and the interviewer picked up on it. When asked if I had a problem with long hours, I replied, "I want a life."
I received an email later that day, "We're sorry, but you don't have the skills. We are going with another candidate."
I had recruiters stop calling me when I stressed my need for free time and the requirement of 40 hour work weeks. I even got a lecture.
This field is shit and pays shit for the time and stress one endures.
I hear this all the time but WTH actually does this? Anyone here at slashdot? Even when I was younger I did an all nighter just once or twice. I've been working 8 hour days the last 15 years.
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I've recently retired after 42 years in IT. I never wanted to become a manager so I didn't. What I did do was learn to tell those idiots with MBA's and embryo PHB's 'No, I can't do all this extra work you want me to do. I'm already fully loaded as you well know. You are the manager so manage my workload or find someone else to do the extra'.
After a while they got used to it.
However before I started saying 'No' I was hospitalised with stress induced angina. It was a turning point and my stress levels declined dramatically. I was lucky. Many are not.
The no vacation thing pisses me off. My entire adult life, I've only had one "real" vacation if you define it as a whole week off.
One reason there's such a lack of vacation time here in Seattle is that in Washington state, the law only requires less than 2/3 be paid out. In CA, we have to pay out 100%. That's why in CA we require employees to take PTO to get it off of the books, but in WA we basically don't allow vacation time. No company I've ever worked for let programmers take even a fifth (as a guess) of the time we earned.
Yes, but the stress that tech people experience is completely fake. It REALLY doesn't matter if your work is done on time.
It does if you want to remain employed with your current company. If that doesn't matter to you then you probably aren't stressed to begin with. If anyone who worked for me expressed that attitude they would be "succeeding elsewhere" in short order.
No one is going to die if your software or network doesn't work.
I'd like to introduce you to some folks who work in medical IT who will disagree with you rather strongly. Same thing with software that controls/drives cars or airplanes or manned rockets or traffic signals or ocean navigation or food safety or electrical grids or nuclear reactor controls or.... The list is very long for things that actually do matter. Yeah, nobody probably cares if your word processor crashes but more than a few of us do things that have serious consequences.
Amazingly humans survived for thousands of years without IT or computers.
Ok we're done here. Claiming people shouldn't have stress because computers didn't exist 200 years ago is irrelevant and stupid.
IT people are highly paid. If they're not, then they're in the wrong career. Take a few months off between jobs or something. "Burnout" is only a problem if you've got no other options. Otherwise, it's a life choice.
I don't respond to AC's.
A single data point is statistically meaningless "woe is us" wanking UNLESS other industries are surveyed.
If the "burnout" rate for tech workers is 57%, but for medical workers is 75%, factory line workers is 62%, and teachers is 60%, then the rate for tech workers is really not bad.
If OTOH other industries scale at 20-30%, then the tech sector really is dire.
In short: I suspect that everyone feels like they are underappreciated, underpaid, and is "fed up with all the bullshit at work"...like everyone else.
-Styopa
Need unions and OT pay!
Too many tech jobs are just cleaning up after Indian disaster after Indian disaster. And not in any sort of permanent way, just putting out the same fires over and over.
Who ISNT working for a paycheck?
I hit 20 years in IT in May. Things have radically changed since. When I emerged from college, having interned at Network Solutions, I moved up the ladder pretty quickly, which is almost impossible these days due to outsourcing. I went from 35k a year to 106k in 7 years. Then came the radical outsourcing, cutbacks, economy implosion, and the "cloud". I now make 1/2 of what I did due to all of this.
Like many of you, I now live in an area that is fairly low-paying for IT. I have to live here due to family reasons, so moving is not an option. Even here in flyover country, there is outsourcing, a continuous creep to place everything in the "cloud" and do away with on-the-ground IT staff. I do far and away more than I am paid for, but the dearth of IT jobs keeps me here despite wanting to sometimes just throw down my badge and key and walk out. Sometimes the "romantic" notion of swinging a hammer or sawing wood for a living kicks in, but I'm in my 40s now and all the construction in my area is being done by illegal aliens. Trucks of men are collected every morning at Circle Ks around the area and taken to the various jobs sites, and paid daily in cash.
I've thought of HVAC, welding, and electrician, none of which can be outsourced, but at my age do I really want to be out in the elements? I've thought also of starting a small IT company, but doing what? Everyone is outsourcing to Google, et al.
It is very nice to be independently wealthy and not have to worry about getting a paycheck, but for the rest of us we have to do it for a paycheck or face homelessness and possibly starvation.
If all available work is under such conditions, is that really a choice?
Let me quote the future: "The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, employee number 6345. Look at you: you're the Prodigal Son/Daughter; you're quite a prize! And like everybody, you have done the deed of getting onboarded, burned in and burned out. Revel in it!"
I had to move to a different country to get away from this shit. US tech is nuts, and slave-driving people into an early grave. No wonder women are fleeing tech jobs, nobody who doesn't have to work this way wouldn't. They have choices and no responsibility of being main provider.
Where I work, there is no separate "bucket" for bereavement. My father died and I can choose to take PTO (for vacation and sick time) or work.
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Tech work culture is seriously broken when 80 hour weeks and never going on vacation for any reason is encouraged and celebrated. Burnout under such conditions is inevitable.
I would seriously doubt your credentials then.
I've been in IT for over 30 years.
I've taken 4 weeks of vacation in 30 years. One week when my dad died. One week for a camping trip, and the remaining two weeks were for things like my children being born.
But then again, I actually *enjoy* what I do in addition to getting paid well for it. So I don't mind spending time in the evening or on the weekends improving myself, learning more, or putting in extra hours when the need arises.
If you don't like IT that much, you either aren't working for a decent company or you aren't getting paid enough.
My company could literally say "you will no longer be touching computers--instead you will be shoveling out septic systems" and it wouldn't bother me one bit because I'm in the top 5% of wage earners in my county. Why? Because I spend *all* my free time learning new technologies and improving myself. I am invaluable to the company because someone with my knowledge and experience usually takes up 2-3 people at $150,000/year each. And they know it.
But I bet your Indian coworkers all get at least a month off each summer. Sucks to go year after year with only maybe a long weekend off, while so many of my coworkers get an entire month off.
Also, all of my white coworkers are not married and all but one of the Indian guys are married. Their wives are great and help take care of them. We don't have that same sort of support.
I see it everyday. Every shop I've been in has the superstars. And everyone else is compared to that person or persons.
So unless you're willing to do the same, you wont get promoted, wont get a raise, wont get to do the new cool stuff.
Fortunately, for me anyway, there is always another job. But switching jobs also takes its toll and makes you look bad in some circumstances.
I think it all boils down to the fact that technology sucks and doesn't work nearly as well as what we're told, so you wind up thinking that you are the problem or will be viewed as the problem when in fact we're just 21st century factory workers pushing buttons.
I work with people who proudly complain about "working until 2 am" or willingly take on all kinds of client work at ridiculous times because it burnishes their reputation.
Some after hours work is unavoidable in IT, but I just refuse to work those kinds of hours regularly without added compensation of some kind (added vacation days without strings and/or more money).
As a more skilled/experienced/older worker, I think I can get away with it but I'm not gonna lie, the people who do it seem to have more street cred in the organization because they are willing to bend over.
I think it's highly organization dependent and sometimes individually dependent (ie, can you get done what needs doing in normal work hours). And I think there are definitely orgs where if you're not doing that, you might as well resign now because you will get shuffled to the shit work.
Only 38%-39% of your IT employees are burning out.
That's something to be really proud of.
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I worked for a companies where IT people used to look for places to go on vacation that had no phones or pager service. For one co-worker's rafting trip on the Colorado River through the Grand Canyon started a trend among the IT staff: where can I go where the phone/pager coverage is really poor or non-existent? Far, far North Canadian fishing trips started getting considered. Can't have people actually having an outside-of-work life so the companies bought satellite phones. No more vacations for you without a corporate leash. Check in daily. Or else.
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.. and windows becoming a "service" and all things cloud - working in IT SUCKS these days...
Nobody really does. Drama queens. If you are regularly working 80 hour weeks in IT, you are dumb or you just really like to work.
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Yep, so many folks LOOOVVVVEEE 50, 60, 70 hour weeks, and having to respond to the boss 24x7x365.25. Who needs a life?
UNIONS are why we have benefits, weekends, holidays and vacations. No company did that out of the alleged kindness of their hearts.
But none of you here need them, they're *so* "ancient", never mind they could get you a 40 hour week and no being bothered off hours, no, enjoy your (non-) life.
Yes, you should be grateful, but you are an ungrateful self centered little shit. Common malady.
Grow up. You post some of the most ridiculous drivel on this site and then have the stones to start calling names when someone points it out. If you don't actually have a rebuttal more eloquent than calling someone names then shut up and move on to your next troll.
I would posit that humans in fact need someone to be worse off than them as a coping mechanism for their own suffering/misfortune/whatever.
Only the more pathetic and narcissistic among us. Sadly that seems to be a rather large percent of the population. I fear people don't need that but quite a number seem to enjoy it. If we do actually need to feel better than others then that is a very sad commentary on us as a species.
Who ISNT working for a paycheck?
Do I really have to explain that some people don't really give a shit about what they are doing? Sure everyone works to get paid but some people actually try to enjoy what they are doing along the way so that the job is more than just a means to get money.
It is very nice to be independently wealthy and not have to worry about getting a paycheck, but for the rest of us we have to do it for a paycheck or face homelessness and possibly starvation.
You don't have to be independently wealthy to make a living doing something that you don't enjoy. If you hate IT work then go find something else to do. It's a big world with lots of opportunity.
If all available work is under such conditions, is that really a choice?
Are you seriously claiming that someone who is bright enough to find work in the tech sector will find it impossible to do something else if they put their mind to it? Possibly even something they actually enjoy doing with reasonable hours and adequate pay. Point is very few people are forced to work in IT. Arguing that they don't have a choice is really just nonsense in almost all cases.
You have obviously never seen an APK rant. It is much like the above but with random bolding, excessive capitalization, pointless nested parenthesis, and childish name calling thrown in for good measure.
Most of the companies mentioned are Silicon Valley tech firms, where the competition for jobs is fierce, and hours are brutal. In the rest of the country, my impression is that stress levels are much lower. I personally can't imagine a better job than the one I have, and I know many who agree.
If 3 people from company X responded, and 2 of them claimed to be suffering from job burnout, that 67% rate would rank quite highly in this survey. Without knowing how many people from each company responded, the claims are specious at best.
Or, worse, 57.16% of users of this app who decided to answer that question as sampled at that one time of day, self-identified as suffering from burnout. Thatâ(TM)s about the scope of the sample and what could possibly be gleaned from this. Definitely not a study.
What is burnout? Feeling stressed? To me, burnout is being incapable of doing your job any longer.
It's not a single data point, but over 11,000 employees responded. Half of those felt they were suffering from burn-out. Now guess what percentage of those who were contacted for the survey, but did not respond, felt like they had burn-out. Probably a lot less.
I worked 55-60 hours a week for most of a year, mainly due to two senior people leaving with a month's difference and a third knocked his head pretty bad leaving me and a few juniors to sort it out. That was as an IT consultant though so I had a billing bonus that gave me pretty good kickback. If I recall correctly it kicked in at about 2/3rd = 67% billable time and the company average was 75-80% somewhere, so your average consultant would get bonus for like 10% while I could hit 50%+. Normally they wouldn't have let anyone rack up that many bonus hours but they were desperate to deliver so they paid me well to get out of a tight spot.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
I've taken 4 weeks of vacation in 30 years. One week when my dad died. One week for a camping trip, and the remaining two weeks were for things like my children being born.
Then you've been suckered, or have different priorities. One year, I took 6 weeks off to travel around the country. Another year, I took 4 weeks off and went to Australia. Another year, I took 6 weeks off and went to Africa. I've taken multiple 2-week vacations. Without checking e-mail. And yes, I live in the U.S.
I can definitely see how this can happen to a consultant and needing to make hay while the sun shines.. Mostly was addressing salary folks :)
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I hear this all the time but WTH actually does this? Anyone here at slashdot? Even when I was younger I did an all nighter just once or twice. I've been working 8 hour days the last 15 years.
My understanding would be Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. although I've only really heard from people that have worked at Amazon. They hire new young and eager workers who they can work and fire them when they burn out. However, just as many leave before that. It's all part of an understood system where new workers agree to be overworked while padding their resume and looking for a new job. This lastrs for an average of 18 months before they have found a new job or get laid off. They hopefully hop to a better paying job than does the same till they decide upon an exit strategy of looking for a place with less upward mobility but more stability once they have reached the desired salary and skillset.
Same boat as you being an older worker. These guys get stuck on something (all night) and I usually can figure it out in an hour or two- I know it takes time but managers do appreciate folks that are cool and consistent.
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Living in a shithole country with rampant gun violence, no universal healthcare, a sociopath president, and under the constant threat of losing your job because theres no worker protection laws is certainly enough to "burn out" your tech workers.
And we know you only know how to navel gaze so if its happening to you it must be important and happening to everyone right? SAD cuntry is sad.
You posted 20 times in this thread about working people. During working hours.
Hows life on welfare you loser?
Bull fucking shit. Lived in Seattle and worked there for 7 years. Everyone took vacation. Everyone took time off. Nobody worked 80 hour weeks, nobody even worked 50. Nobody ever had a hard time taking vacation. This was at both startups and major companies (Amazon).
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
enable bitching about work behind their bosses backs are burned out. Wow. What a surprise. Actually, it is. The numbers should have been higher. Perhaps 43% are there to goad, laugh at, and otherwise antagonize the bitchers and moaners.
It's FUNNY! It is written by someone with an extensive knowledge of English colloquial expressions, or copied from someone with that knowledge. MOD PARENT UP!
(There are areas where English is trashy. You may need to take a shower after you read this.)
Title: "I hole-hardedly agree..." -- I whole-heartedly agree...
"doubles advocate" -- devil's advocate
"all intensive purposes" -- all intents and purposes
"a diamond dozen" -- a dime a dozen
"a blessing in the skies" -- a blessing in disguise.
"on a petal stool" -- on a pedestal
"a bunch of pre-Madonnas" -- a bunch of primadonnas
"taking something very valuable for granite" -- taking something very valuable for granted"
"mustard up all the strength you can" -- muster up all the strength you can
"it is a doggy dog world" -- It is a dog-eat-dog world
"you have a huge ship on your shoulder." -- you have a huge chip on your shoulder.
" throw everything in but the kids Nsync" -- throw everything in but the kitchen sink
"you are having a feel day with this" -- you are having a field day with this
"I have a sick sense" -- I have a sixth sense
"I cannot turn a blonde eye" -- I cannot turn a blind eye
"I have zero taller ants" -- I have zero tolerance
"what comes around is all around" -- what comes around goes around [what goes around comes around]
"supply and command" -- supply and demand
"Make my words" -- Mark my words
"when you get down to brass stacks" -- when you get down to brass tacks
"it doesn't take rocket appliances" -- it doesn't take rocket science
"to get two birds stoned at once" -- to kill two birds with one stone
"who makes the pants in this relationship" -- who wears the pants in this relationship
"sometimes you just have to swallow your prize" -- sometimes you just have to swallow your pride
"come to this conclusion through denial and error" -- come to this conclusion through trial and error
"I swear on my mother's mating name" -- I swear on my mother's maiden name [not a usual expression]
"when you put the petal to the medal" -- when you put the pedal to the metal
"you will pass with flying carpets" -- you will pass with flying colors
"it's a peach of cake" -- it's a piece of cake
Else.
This data MIGHT be accurate, it might even represent much more than just tech workers. But, the source of this data is a voluntary survey conducted within an app whose sole purpose is to allow you to chat with coworkers behind your employers back and anonymously review the place you work. Usage is probably skewed a bit toward those that aren't happy with their workplace. Personally, I'm more surprised that 43% of respondents from an app like that didn't claim to be burned out.
The only people who have a net positive production over more than a few days of over time are aspies. Everyone else who works more than 8 hours is just making more work for themselves. Tech isn't brick laying, it's problem solving. If you're in tech and effectively doing brick laying, automate it.
That's your own damn fault then. Stand up for yourself and take a fucking vacation. Don't be all wishy-washy about it. Tell your damn manager you'll be taking off between X and Y date that is several months away.
Stop working yourself to death. When people are on their death beds, they never say, "I wish i had worked more".
Unless the sample selection is random, it's not an opt-in survey and there's no opt-out, then its results have no meaning.
Only people who have personal motivation to answer the survey will - those who feel burnt out and want to complain about it in this case.
Long live Waterfall!
I'm 51. I don't work like that. I suggest you move out of the "high tech" areas. Nobody expects you to work like that in Raleigh, NC.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
Also an older worker. In my current gig, I was asked why I wasn't working all weekend like the other developers. Quote, "Because, my stuff works."
I'm not the company superstar, but I've had the time to build two airplanes. My pay is still good.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
Did a phone interview with Amazon once. Told him at the end that I wasn't interested. I could see right through what he was getting at, and it is exactly what you reference.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
I certainly don't do it. You want me to work overtime, you can damn well pay me.
But the common phrase around an embedded development shop in Denver is "I've already hit my 40 this week".
I stayed way late one time making up some hours and a co-worker complained that "working late doesn't make me look special when everyone does it". And yeah, the lights are usually still on at 7pm. SOMEONE is still here.
Some people are just workaholics.
Samers for me. I've been at it for 21 years. Worked through X-mas once but that was at triple-time, so not a problem. If I work extra hours (EWW) they are paid hours.
Only I can judge you.
Then get yourself an Indian wife, do some plowing, and quit your bitching.
Only I can judge you.
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exactly!
Only I can judge you.
maybe it's time to renegotiate your salary, do this while taking all the vacation time you've missed in 30 years, they owe you about 56 weeks, plenty of time for them to think about your demands. You're probably also of retirement age or close enough which makes you all that much stronger in a negotiation.
Only I can judge you.
Other data points are irrelevant to the subject at hand. How more or less other workers are burned out in comparison has jack and shit to do with IT, and Jack left town. If waitresses have it worse, it doesn't mean IT has it better. If accountants have it easier, it doesn't mean IT has it harder.
Your attempt to forcibly inject relevance to the subject has no relevance.
It is highly organization dependent, but in general management is going to favor direct reports who are willing to be abused, so that management can abuse them without suffering any negative consequences. Sometimes that's just about money (if employee A is willing to do 80 hours a week at $x, that means management doesn't have to pay two employees $x and they save $x + overhead in costs). Sometimes it's about power. But being willing to trade away your own well being for someone else's bottom line usually looks good to the someone else, just be aware they'll think you're a mark who will take it up the butt without lube and not complain.
BS. I'm 48 and I'm still hit shit. Fuck you Ivan.
It must be difficult for people for whom English is a 2nd language.
Thanks for the insight. I found that on reddit.com/r/copypasta/ from a year ago.
Also: 9/20/2016 Quoting:
Why so many more burnouts declared today than before? Perhaps we just have more awareness. Perhaps our jobs are indeed more stressful.
These may be important factors, but I don't think they explains this phenomenon alone. We see a huge increase in diverse kinds mental problems (ADHD, Alzheimer, depression). I think the "Broken Brain" hypothesis by Dr. Hyman quite plausible.
http://drhyman.com/blog/2017/1...
He claims that important factors for the decline of our mental health are diet and exposure to toxins, besides stress.
Did a phone interview with Amazon once. Told him at the end that I wasn't interested. I could see right through what he was getting at, and it is exactly what you reference.
Friend of mine played that game for about five years at Amazon, jumping around internally. Finally decided what he wanted to do and found a job out of state with a well padded resume at a company that desired stability.
tl;dr. Artificial deadlines, expectations of 60 hour work weeks, expectations of being connected 24/7/365, and caring about the same things as management are all the ways to crush your spirit.
It sounds like burnout and it's darn close but honestly not caring about things helps put it all into perspective.
I don't have my work email on my personal cell phone. So anyone sending a high priority email to me after my work hours isn't getting a response until my next work day. If they start requiring me to check my email all the time they can furnish me with a device to do so.
I'm salaried but that salary is based on me working regular 40 hour weeks with an occasional rotation on call. If they start doing the 'work until the job is done no matter how long it takes' push then I continue my 40 hour weeks and see what happens. I honestly don't mind an occasional all-hands deadline but when they become more than a quarterly exception then it's a sign that management has no idea what they're doing.
I learned long ago that working at a high rate of speed only gets you more work while the slower workers get tasks reassigned to the .. ones who work faster. Since I'm not that much of an idiot I don't try to stand out of the herd.
Almost every deadline is arbitrary and only benefit the managers who set them. Those are the same managers who are going to get heat when their deadlines aren't met. It does roll downhill but again being in the middle of the pack shelters you quite nicely.
Amazon is notorious for requiring long hours. Fifty hours is the absolute minimum you must work in order to stay employed. If you want to work on the cool stuff and get promoted, you'll be working at least 70 hours a week. Also, you are expected to work weekends from July to the holiday freeze in October -- which really sucks 'cause that's pretty much the only time it's not dull, gray, and rainy in Seattle.
Microsoft and Expedia aren't quite as bad, but you'll still be required to work 50-60 hours a week -- many of those outside of normal business hours in order to communicate with offshore teams.
You mean, they ask for a month off in the summer and get it. Did you know that you too could ask for time off, right?
So you are bitter that the Indian guys have wives and you don't, I got it. Maybe, just maybe if you were a little bit more assertive in life, you too might have a wife. Instead you choose to be bitter and angry. Those are not very attractive traits.
I've been in IT for over 30 years.
I've taken 4 weeks of vacation in 30 years. One week when my dad died. One week for a camping trip, and the remaining two weeks were for things like my children being born
Congrats. You're a sucker. I get 3 weeks off minimum, and I take every fucking minute. This year I get 4, and you better believe I'm taking every single minute off.
I earn it, I'm using it.
I want e-ink and the ability to work outside in the sun and hour a day, when it is warm at least. I think this would help.
That's like arguing guns aren't dangerous because jumping into active volcanoes is more dangerous.
No comparison is needed, guns are dangerous irregardless of anything else.
The Indian guys all had arranged marriages. Different culture.
But you're too ignorant to realize that. Go back to Facebook, shit stain.
Watch out, its an angry racist virgin! I'm sure you're a "good guy" too.
Just go full MGTOW already.