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Patreon Is Suspending Adult Content Creators Because of Its Payment Partners (vice.com)
Some adult content creators on crowdfunding site Patreon are being suspended due to the suggestive material they produce. The platform said that they are increasing efforts to review content, due to payment processor pressure. Motherboard reports: In late 2017, Patreon expanded its adult content guidelines, to include stricter guidelines for "bestiality, incest, sexual depiction of minors, and suggestive sexual violence." At the time, it resulted in suspensions and bans of many adult content creators whose work Patreon previously permitted, but no longer fell in line with new guidelines. Now, many more adult content creators are reporting that they're experiencing a renewed wave of suspensions on the platform. Patreon's guidelines for adult content state that "all public content on your page be appropriate for all audiences," and "content with mature themes must be marked as a patron-only post." For several of these reports, Patreon warned that "implied nudity" was the reason for the suspension, where it appeared in public areas or publicly-visible patron tiers and banners. "You can't use Patreon to raise funds in order to produce pornographic material such as maintaining a website, funding the production of movies, or providing a private webcam session," the guidelines state.
Now they're propping themselves up like kings.
The author/artist of 2Kinds got hit by this because some of his art was basically too fan-service-y.
Several others posting stuff that is no worse than Sports Illustrated are getting dinged for it as well.
- WolfWings, too lazy to login to /. in way too long.
I thought Patreon was already on thin ice with their content creators?
No idea about content creators, but they're kilometers under cold water with possible patrons, at least as I'm concerned. Any content creator that relies exclusively on Patreon will not get a broken penny from me.
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is "implied nudity" a reason to ban something but banning weapons that enable you to massacre a crowd from a quarter of a mile away is controversial.
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Since Patreon takes a slice of the pie, it would be nice to see how happy they'd be if everybody who had material even a little bit suggestive took their projects to a new site that dealt unabashedly with porn. Such a site would be well-advised to reserve an area for head-to-head competition with Patreon for family friendly projects. I'll leave the social dynamics of the situation for another day, but I think we can all agree that the people most interested in pornography are sometimes the same ones who would love to have an excuse for "accidentally" straying into the wrong area.
Call the site "Pudtreon" or something.
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it's not nothing to do with moral policing. Credit card transactions are effectively loans. In large parts of the world you have a legal right to dispute any charge on your card as a result. Adult content has a high percentage of disputes (probably from guys who's wives/girlfriends notice the charge). Even if you can prove the charge is valid it's still expensive to do so. Hence why nobody wants to be involved in it.
With corporations always, always, always follow the money. Anything bigger than a leomonade stand is completely amoral.
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A bunch of Patreon competetors and other sites affiliated with the alt-right were recently cut off by Stripe.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/06/stripe-cuts-off-freestartr-and-bitchute.html
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"Smut peddlers"? What year is it? 1938?
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engaged in beastality or incest
Someone uploaded excerpts from the bible?
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The same thing is happening to firearms dealers doing online sales (which have all the same safeguards and background checks as in-person sales — and actually more traceability because credit card sales are more traceable than cash sales).
Presumably these payment processors won't allow legal marijuana sales either. The realm of socially disapproved behavior grows larger every day.
This creates a big, expanding opportunity for a payment processor who won't bow to the Twitter mobs and their blacklists and witch hunts.
More likely, there were Patreon creators that made furry and incest porn. If that surprises or shocks you, welcome to the internet.
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"Smut peddlers"? What year is it? 1938?
Has what's right and wrong changed since 1938?
Or are we just magically comparative super experts on what is right and wrong, in 2018, because reasons?
And pretty much all statistics and research into the subject shows that the best ways to fight teen pregnancies are good sexual education and access to prophylactics and birth control, not repression, pretending sex doesn't exist, censoring porn, or preaching abstinence.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
Lots of things have changed since 1938. You can't refuse to serve an African-American, same sex marriage is equal, and so on and so forth.
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You haven't noticed that the major force behind censorship now is the left?
They're after people for sexual content (the serious feminists hate sexual content they don't approve of), for political content, and whatever else they can get away with.
The current political right just isn't that concerned with sexual censorship, no matter what you may think. They're too busy with other things, to start.
Because humans are bad at intuitively understanding statistics, especially when there is a sensationalism bias involved.
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Right and wrong is what society deems to be morally acceptable. Just a decade ago it was wrong for two gay people to get married. 50 years ago it was wrong for African-Americans to be treated as equal. See where we're going with this? Patreon is a private business and has the right to dictate what content is distributed on their network. That's the proper reason for removing content creators that don't abide by their rules. Not because "Omgherd nudity and pornography is wrong."
What subscription service would you recommend instead of Patreon?
There are two different approaches to the question of truth.
The scientific approach: Make up some theory, compare it against reality, adapt it as necessary to be a better fit, repeat until you can't think of improvements anymore
The religious approach: Make up some theory, tell everyone else about it, build a system around it, selectively pick those facts that confirm your theory and with the support of the system you built, push these facts and suppress the others
The US is an outlier in western civilisation. The importance of religious is comparable to 3rd world countries, but not to other western countries. As is the attitude towards anything sexual.
(note that attitude doesn't mean people don't have massive businesses in this area. it just means they are considered smutty)
The "abstinence programs" that the entire developed world (and good parts of the developing world) laugh about are not explainable in terms of western civilisation or education or anything except the backwater religiousity of the USA. Once you understood that religious thinking is the cause for such insanities, you understand that contradictory facts have zero effect.
If anything, contradictions strengthen religious belief.
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Yeah they are to busy trying to get a theocracy started. Everything the right accuses the left of is what the right actually want for themselves.
The credit card system is run by cartels who extract billions in profit from every transaction in exchange for doing nothing.
And that won't change. Only the players will. Maybe it won't be credit cards anymore, but the new players will simply do the same thing - make profit on transactions.
(and remember: If you get a service or a good for free, that doesn't mean it actually is for free. It only means you are not the customer, you are the product)
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... FTA:
According to a Patreon blog about creator fees, these partners include Stripe and PayPal (which has a history of refusing to serve sex workers), but the pressure to turn sex workers away comes from major banking networks.
It's the payment partners .
Any objections should be addressed to those payment partners.
Patreon just wants to make a buck.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Has what's right and wrong changed since 1938?
No. What changed is that we're generally better educated, and today many people are able to successfully reject the onslaught of religious idiocy that was much more prevalent back then.
The phrase "smut peddler" harkens back to an age when North America was dominated by religious people looking to control the sexuality of stupid people for monetary and/or power gains, and so intelligent people mock those who use it today.
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Do you have any idea the kind of hoops you have to go through so you are able to take electronic payments by credit card?
It takes a bit more work then just knowing some PHP.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
If certain moral stances, or at least how strongly they are held or enforced has changed, then right and wrong are not fixed, but rather the product of social consensus. Nudity has never been that big a no no in art, and porn has become so mainstream that even the "smut peddlers" can't compete with the mom and pop shops.
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This is bollocks because you DO NOT regulate sex. Want you want to do ? Stop two teen having sex ? how ? Having them a iron udnerwaer with a lock for which you have only the key ? Just get real. No you don't regulate sex (except the separation adult/minor). What you do is restrict access to information. And what happen when access to information is restricted ? Well kids STILL have sex, but they do it without being fully aware of the consequence, or use and info rumor gossip and hoax circulating (like "you can't get pregnant if it is a rape". oh wait my bad that one was a politician - but sad joke aside misinformation is bad). That is why where teen get sex ed, they have consistently LESS unwanted pregnancy, and abstinence policy lead to MORE pregnancy. This is simply plain statistic and whether you are religious or not cannot deny, you can refuse them, pretend they do not exists, but we can all see them for what thy are.
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I'm glad to see payment processors taking an active role in what they facilitate.
Oh, really? And how would you feel if your Visa card was declined because they felt that you should stop stuffing your obese face at McDonalds 4 times a week? And PayPal rejected your payment to your church fundraiser because they thought the group had too many extreme-right racist undertones for their liking?
Payment processors should allow any legal transactions without trying to be the Morality Police. This is also the problem when a few middlemen consolidate too much power and is another reason why anyone who values freedom or privacy should push back against "cashless" societies.
Perhaps we need some kind of "common carrier" laws for large payment processors. If Visa wants to control 70% of the credit card market then they must also allow any legal transaction between consenting parties or they are found in violation of common payment laws.
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pretending sex doesn't exist
But sex doesn't exist. At least not around me, anyway. ;-(
If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
I don't know that they ever accepted Stripe as a means of payment in the first place.
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
You want to run your business as independently as possible? Don't build it on top of things like Facebook or YouTube or Patreon. Build it on top of things like HTML, CSS, JavaScript and PHP. If you don't want to learn these skills, hire someone who can do these things for you
Hmm. Why go to that expense when you can easily just outsource to someone that's already done this. Such as Patreon.
Sure, you'll save money in the short term by just dumping everything on a "free" platform, but then they own you
Patreon is not free, and they do not own the people that use their services.
Further to that, most people raising funds on Patreon are earning tens of dollars a month at most. That's not going to cover much bespoke development.
WTF is SWIF?
Also, this single use token you think should be used. How do I validate that it's legitimate? Are the funds embedded within the token, and if not how do I validate the source? If so, how do I comply with AML laws and regulations such as financial sanctions against Russian oligarchs? Is the payee embedded within the token because if not it's now a transferable instrument and not single use at all.
Sounds like you're going to be terribly rich if you can make this work.
are still pretty low. The odds of her getting knocked up are much higher.
For 50% of the population, getting pregnant is impossible...
anyone who's had an unplanned pregnancy or had one yourself you know it's just as life changingly devastating. Maybe moreso. Blow me away and my life insurance kicks in
This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read on Slashdot. Having a family member is no big deal because think of the money!
FWIW my wife had an unplanned pregnancy, it turned out to be one the best things that ever happened. Not devastating at all...
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Didn't you get the memo? Puritanism is in again, and the sexual revolution all but forgotten.
Even schools are now teaching that 'porn is bad', which makes one wonder who is behind this new trend back to Dark-Ages values.
Yeah they are to busy trying to get a theocracy started. Everything the right accuses the left of is what the right actually want for themselves.
You and the GP are both right. But the right isn't anywhere close to actually creating a theocracy and doesn't seem to be moving in that direction. However, the hard core feminists really do hate sex and right now this is the only type of action the left can get accomplished as its something the religious right and the feminists on the left agree upon. Also, neither group is very interested in looking at research on the topic and instead rely upon an ideology which often makes things worse for the folks they are claiming to protect (much like climate change, the war on drugs, and issues around sex ed in schools). Ask the women (and men) who do sex work and they have ZERO love for the feminists.
This is because feminism isn't really about poor women. Poor women have always had jobs. Feminism is about rich women who could be homemakers but instead feel like they must work and be in some weird competition between the sexes. Also, consider when women first entered the workforce in large numbers is about when middle class wages began stagnating. So now we have a situation where both parents now work but the family income is basically the same amount as before women started working (partially because now a good chunk of that second income is now spent on child care). Not saying this is a bad thing but its not nearly as simple as "empowering women" makes society a better place.
"Those that start by burning books, will end by burning men."
It's even worse when it's near, but not near enough to see or touch.
Noisy sex is fun when both you and your flatmates are getting it on like dueling saxes.
Not so much when it's just them, and you are trying to drown it out with the headphones on.
> The phrase "smut peddler" harkens back to an age when North America was dominated by religious people looking to control the sexuality of stupid people for monetary and/or power gains,
You mean like the 2010s ?
I love these holier-than-thou posts about these other enlightened countries, despite the little problem of all of them still also rejecting science and reason, to send a moral message, at the cost of lives, when it comes to enforcing prohibition as their drug control policy. The absolutely most progressive country on this, Portugal, still only decriminalized possession of tiny amounts. Nowhere offers the legal market that would eliminate most of the harm and minimize addiction, despite having the evidence showing that's the right path, because actually granting people permission to conduct those transactions offends their sense of moral decency, so they let tens of thousands of people die and get victimized, just to be able to not be "soft" on drugs. That it's not based on religion is hardly material.
Didn't you get the memo? Puritanism is in again, and the sexual revolution all but forgotten. Even schools are now teaching that 'porn is bad', which makes one wonder who is behind this new trend back to Dark-Ages values.
I don't think teens got the memo, every indication I've seen is that teens have better access to porn, watch more porn and try to act more like in porn. And porn is bad if you think porn is an accurate representation of reality and not a staged and edited fantasy. It's full of pretty faces with silicone tits, botox lips, waxed slits, bleached assholes and men with really large dicks. Nobody in porn has erection problems or premature ejaculation or trouble coming or use any lube or let out a fart and everyone is super horny and ready for sex in any hole or all holes and group sex and girls like having their face sprayed with cum and have multi-orgasms if you touch their elbows. And nobody is ever rejected or refused or asked to stop.
A lot of young, insecure people get performance anxiety from porn. And they do things or accept things because porn makes them think it's okay or how sex should be. Of course there are a few that still want to back to abstinence and figuring it out on the wedding night under the covers with the lights off but I'm pretty sure they've lost and are still losing ground. The rest are mostly worried that porn is giving people a false pictures and wants more love and feelings, less sex olympics. Not that it's just porn, all of society has gotten pretty sex fixated. And having sex is constantly becoming more casual through apps like Tinder and such and of course if you disconnect sex from having feelings for the person you're having sex with then it's all about the performance. 7/10 would fuck again.
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Thank you, you just helped prove my point by regurgitating a string of the same irrational anti-porn talking points they're teaching kids in school - silly arguments that are popular with millenials as what is effectively the new Puritanism takes hold in our culture ... just a few decades ago it seemed we were entering an era of more enlightened, rational values. Now the curtains are closing and it's going dark again.
Use Hatreon. Yes, they accept absolutely deplorable projects, quite openly, but that's the price of no censorship.
Hatreon is invite-only. They are the opposite of no censorship.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
What subscription service would you recommend instead of Patreon?
I for one would recommend none of them. The last thing I need is another recurring payment, which represents another opportunity for my payment details to be stolen.
I'd love to be able to make micropayments to sites, but there's still no decent service for that. (I tried flattr, it's crap.) But I won't subscribe.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Has what's right and wrong changed since 1938?
Yes. "Right" and "wrong" are social constructs, and their meanings have indeed changed since 1938.
Or are we just magically comparative super experts on what is right and wrong, in 2018, because reasons?
We know that pornography is not harmful because we have studied it repeatedly and every time we do, not only can we not draw a link to harm, but it appears that it may have beneficial effects. (Also not proven, because there's no money in doing so; porn already sells.)
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Nudity has never been that big a no no in art
Uh, except for that period when the religious fanatics were in charge, and a whole bunch of nudes got painted over so as to clothe them or otherwise disguise their naughty bits...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Read this and was half expecting someone in the comments to say "It's not bestiality, it's inter species erotica.".
When Senator Goodfart and his aids can't get any online smut, book an escort, or order anything fun online, maybe they'll wake up from this dream of moral superiority.
They can have my command prompt when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
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Yeah, but the Single-Player campaign kinda sucks - it may be fun to play for a while but it ends up being a let-down. Everyone knows that Multiplayer is where it's at. Especially if you can find a good team - then it's a whole new game.
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Yeah because sex education as a deterrent to unplanned pregnancies has worked so well for the past 40 years.
The best birth control, abstinence is 100% effective.
The pill is 99.9% effective. That sounds pretty good right? So If you have sex 1000 times, or three times a day for a year you have 100% chance the pill will fail and you will end up with an unwanted pregnancy. Much more likely if you have sex once a day for three years your chance of having an unwanted pregnancy is likewise 100%
No one wants to pretend that sex doesn't exist. They want to acknowledge that sexual intercourse has a consequence. And they want to acknowledge that that consequence is much more acceptable when you have a self-supporting income, are in a stable relationship, and have planned to take on parenthood.
Or you can continue to pretend that sex is some kind of recreational sport and continue contributing to the culture dumpster fire that the sexual revolution has become.
Yes woman started entering the workforce in large numbers at the end of WWII.
That is, single women started entering the workforce at the end of WWII. That is instead of immediately marrying. When they got married they quit. As a matter of fact many places went so far as to request married women quit so as not to take jobs away from single women who needed them. And in almost every case jobs were in areas that men did not work and pay was less, because single women did not "need" the high pay that a man who had to support a family needed. (Or at least that was the theory.)
In the 1970's married women started to enter the workforce or women kept working even after they married and had children. This was as a result of second wave feminism
It's amazing to me that people will draw conclusions based on incomplete information that informs their political opinions.
So this is the real question as far a Patreon is concerned.
If two people who support their stand to eject questionable content by donating to content creators they support, for every person who leaves in disgust over it, it's a win for them.
If two people leave in disgust for every new patron they get because they support Patreon's new limits it's a loser for them.
I guess we'll see which way it goes.
2 12 year old characters going at it is not adult content. It's illegal.
Two 12 year old fictional characters going at it is illegal in the United States only if it's obscene, where obscenity in this case must meet the Miller test. See Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U.S. 234 (2002), which is considered at the appellate level to be the controlling case in litigation involving the PROTECT Act. However, the Supreme Court has ruled that such images are legal if viewable only over the Internet. Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U.S. 844 (1997), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court unanimously ruled that anti-indecency provisions of the 1996 Communications Decency Act (CDA) violated the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech. The court's decision was nuanced in that it specifically distinguished between the Internet being a fundamentally "pull" technology (you have to request any content to receive it) vs. a "push" technology like radio or television (any content may appear on the channel to which you are tuned without your request). The conviction of Dwight Whorley was not appealed to the Supreme Court, so the decision of the Fourth Circuit has not been tested.
I love these holier-than-thou posts about these other enlightened countries,
You misunderstand me. I am not lauding other countries. I am criticising the US. Other countries have their own issues.
when it comes to enforcing prohibition as their drug control policy
one policy does not make a society. You seem oddly fixated on this one thing, which is not even anywhere near any part of the original topic.
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