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Reddit's Case for Anonymity on the Internet (theatlantic.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: All that's required to create an account and post on any of Reddit's 1.2 million forums is an email address, a username, and a password. You don't need to tell the company your birthday, your gender, or even your real name. As Huffman put it on Thursday at the Aspen Ideas Festival, which is co-hosted by the Aspen Institute and The Atlantic, "Reddit doesn't want the burden of personal information ... and is not selling personal information."
Huffman argued that anonymity on Reddit actually makes using the site "more like a conversation one has in real life" than other exchanges on the internet. "When people detach from their real-world identities, they can be more authentic, more true to themselves," he claimed.
Huffman argued that anonymity on Reddit actually makes using the site "more like a conversation one has in real life" than other exchanges on the internet. "When people detach from their real-world identities, they can be more authentic, more true to themselves," he claimed.
With usernames people will still go through your comment history and judge you on previous unrelated comments. Only true anonymity, not pseudonymity, can lead to discussions completely detached from identity.
first posts are not allowed
The site will never catch on
I have a fairly unique name, and I purchased a house, putting my name and address on the public record. Frankly, I don't want you crazy people to know where I live.
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
Huffman argued that anonymity on Reddit actually makes using the site "more like a conversation one has in real life"
Reddit is more like being told there are cool kids hanging out, chilling, and having a good time, but finding out that it's just a couple of retards mumbling to each other.
Problem with anonymity, (and you can look at this article and poster as a proof of concept) is that trolling Reddit is trivial. Spam a board, and if you get the banhammer, make another account and repeat. At least with Facebook, if I block someone and they try to contact me again, all their accounts are in jeopardy of getting Zucced, so there is some personal responsibility there.
Fake news is out of control. It's trivial to prove that wrong just by clicking on sign up at the top right then next to skip the email question. I don't get why so many journalists constantly like when they know they can trivially be proven a liar? In the past week, a guy attacked a newspaper he didn't like where a girl that had rejected him worked, so the local paper decided to lie and claim the guy was wearing a MAGA hat. There were several witnesses and even pictures proving that journalist a liar, but he still made the decision to try to get away with that lie. There are no ethics in journalism any longer.
When people detach from their real-world identities, they can be more authentic, more true to themselves
Um, yea... We've known this for a long time.
Anonymous commenting is much preferable to the expanded blah-blah bullshit of having all sorts of info about your account.
That is one(of a lot) reason I don't have a FB account, even though I know people have their ways of even gaming that.
Nice that they aren't selling personal information. But it is a bit sad that people apparently need anonymity to be authentic. Anonymity is convenient in that you don't need to remember yet another site password. Real-life conversions are not like that - the people I talk to usually know who I am.
I can tell you from my experience on Facebook that having your account tied to your personal identity doesn't mean shit for how credible your posts are. Maybe knowing that on Reddit any ol' bot can easily post something means people are far more critical with post/comments on Reddit then on Facebook.
I'm sure we can all agree that more people need to think more critically when reading things they read online; like that fact that this comment is based on one person's experience and therefore cannot be trusted as a true representation of the crap posts online.
Good moderators, plus the up/down voting system, make this work pretty well for the handfull of subreddits that I frequent.
Can Sacrificing Privacy Stomp Out Disinformation Online?
According to Dipayan Piku Ghosh, a digital-privacy expert at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government,“the commercial interests of internet platforms like Facebook and those of disinformation operators are at some points aligned.”
Ghosh specified that keeping users engaged for as long as possible is a core goal for both internet companies and entities spreading false information. “For the internet platform, it allows them to create more ad space and collect more data,” he said on Thursday at the Aspen Ideas Festival, which is co-hosted by the Aspen Institute and The Atlantic. “For disinformation operators, it allows them to try to persuade the individual. And that alignment is what we need to really try to solve.”
Renée DiResta, who works as Data for Democracy’s head of policy, offered one possible solution—but it’s a bitter remedy for those who would wish to hold their data close: “Really, the solution ... is better information sharing,” she said on Thursday.
DiResta’s vision of online truth enforcement consists of a “triangle” of independent and academic researchers, researchers at big tech companies, and the government, all exchanging what they know and working in concert to stomp out disinformation. For some, that’s a chilling proposition—after all, it was data sharing between academics and Facebook that allowed Cambridge Analytica to create 30 million psychographic voter profiles without users’ consent. But without data and analysis flowing between each point of the triangle, DiResta argued, there’s no hope of triumphing over nefarious actors in a disinformation arms race.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I use my real name here, and on Reddit. It's a credibility thing. I did get sued for $3 Million for something I wrote on my personal blog. That person ended up swearing a $300,000 bond for my defense, which should be a warning to others.
Bruce Perens.
I created an account and started posting stuff (not spam). After recieving zero views/clicks/comments for a long time, I contacted the support, and it eventually turned out that they had silently put me inside a "bubble", not because of anything I posted, but immediately after creating the account because I was using a VPN. Same thing happened on Hacker News.
Forget anonymity -- they require you to use your uniquely identifying home IP address to post anything that will be seen by anyone other than yourself. They do not believe in anonymity and I don't blame them, because it has countless problems associated with it, but the point here is that they are not being honest, and I can't stand that.
Any service that employs these underhanded, disgusting tactics such as "putting you in a bubble", showing fake error messages, etc., are absolutely vile and I want nothing to do with them.
"When people detach from their real-world identities, they can be more authentic, more true to themselves,"
Wow. That's awful.
My real-world identity (which I simply call my "identity") IS my authentic, true self. WYSIWYG. It must be terrible to have your authentic self imprisoned in a virtual world.
Can't imagine what the world is like for peeps like SuperKendall. Is he or she as much an asshole in the real world, or is that vitriol only saved for Slashdot?
Then tell me they don't want your data and don't sell it. https://www.redditinc.com/poli...
I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams
"When people detach from their real-world identities, they can be more authentic, more true to themselves," he claimed. And in many cases, that means more trollish, uncivilized and downright nasty. They write and post things they'd never do if their identities were known; that's why many media sites require an authentic (or at least an attempt at it) Facebook or Twitter account. Zero accountability isn't always (and typically isn't) a good thing.
They can be less authentic, more false to themselves. It's a matter of personalities, non persons.
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
But what if you're an asshole?
It's far from anonymous. Reddit heavily tracks their users. And if law enforcement gets involved they have the tracking and IP data. Anonymous? No. Revenue through tracking? Yes.
BTW: thanks, Slashdot, for enabling posting as AC.
That's one of the reasons I stick with you.
(I'd register if you figured out how to enable that without cookies & without Javascript, but hey, I make do as AC).
Some of you may not know the glory of anonymity in the BBS (Bulletin Board System) days. But it really was glorious. Everyone had a "handle" or "alias". It was generally encouraged to be anonymous online back then, or at least be something that contrasts who you were IRL. It was part of the fun. It was part of the drive of going online in the first place, it was like role playing.
Many people I knew had complete online alter-egos based around characters they'd play in door games (hence my alias TheDarkener, a character I created when playing L.O.R.D.). I was a young teenager then and it was absolutely liberating to be able to converse with people of all ages and, for the most part, know they only knew of my intellect, my character and not my IRL age (for obviously bias may come into play).
Sure, there were boards that demanded you put in your real name, had a callback verification system so they'd know your real phone number..and those boards were hardly as popular as those who didn't do that.
Remember the movie "Hackers"? When Joey said, "I need a handle, man. I don't have an identity 'till I have a handle!" Man, I miss that. Now there's pressure for online platforms to ensure people are putting in their real names, real birthdays, upload photo IDs for verification, all this crap..what happened to the innocence of imagination? Oh yeah, it got crushed by the Internet becoming a global economic machine, and the money people got their grubby mitts into how it should work.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
I can tell you from my experience on Facebook that having your account tied to your personal identity doesn't mean shit for how credible your posts are.
You're missing the point.
It isn't for credibility, it's for control. If you say something that Facebook doesn't like, it can ban you, and if you're *required* to prove your identity Facebook can keep you banned. (Gun enthusiast sites, for instance.)
There's also the issue of consequences. If you say something that the community doesn't like (but is otherwise legal), the community can pound you into the ground for it. For example, harass your employer until you get fired (this actually happens).
While there is certainly a lot of trolls and general assinine behaviour on the net, forcing people to use their real identity has more important consequences. It's throwing the baby out with the bath water.
It's about control, not credibility.
And generally, their true selves are stupid assholes who play with their own poo.
Penny-arcade had a similar analogy... https://www.penny-arcade.com/c...
I left reddit since it did not allow me to browse anonymously anymore, had to register to just lookig to it.
And now they say that they value being anonymous ? Lie, a plain lie.
A verified Email is all it takes to track a user , build a profile and tag it back to a real person.
Then, the next step will come in: disappearing articles from your view, your posts will not get upvoted.
Nothing new, history is bound to repeat itself, worse.
See subject for a perfect example of what you say. He made that SOCKPUPPET to harass me https://slashdot.org/comments.... & cheaters on /. use MULTIPLE SOCKPUPPETS to UPMOD their MAIN registered 'luser' account + downmodbomb opponents with.
* You're EXACTLY right!
APK
P.S.=> ... & folks, THAT is the downside of /.'s EASILY CHEATED so-called "downmoderation system" that doesn't even SHOW YOU WHO ISSUES DOWNMODS (so they can 'hide' & NOT have to STAND BEHIND THEIR STALKER WORDS)... apk
Most sites are like Reddit, in this regard. Pretty sure /. is another. Indeed, exceptions are relatively rare, though one of those exceptions does happen to currently be pretty popular (Facebook).
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
I use my real name here, and on Reddit. It's a credibility thing. I did get sued for $3 Million for something I wrote on my personal blog. That person ended up swearing a $300,000 bond for my defense, which should be a warning to others.
I use my real name here, and on Reddit. It's a credibility thing. I did get sued for $3 Million for something I wrote on my personal blog. That person ended up swearing a $300,000 bond for my defense, which should be a warning to others.
Suppose you say something that the community doesn't like. Suppose it's OK to say that today, but tomorrow the community standards change. (Such as the thing with Apu in "The Simpsons". Poking fun at Indian convenience store owners was OK up until recently.)
(Or gun enthusiasts.)
The community could ostracize you, they could call up your employer and complain about you. Your business could be downrated to 1 star on Yelp (or GlassDoor or whatever). You could be doxxed, you could be swatted. If you were a Facebook user, Facebook could ban you, and the community could talk about you all day and you wouldn't be able to respond. Your voice of protest wouldn't be heard.
And as to your court case, how much did you have to pay up front to fund that? And it was a gamble up front, meaning that you might not have gotten that investment back. Additionally, how much of your time and energy went into proving yourself in a court of law?
You're honestly saying that regular people - people full-time of families and jobs, who don't have ten grand to wager on a court case - should shoulder that sort of burden?
Using your real name works for you, but don't expect it to be the right solution for everyone.
I live in a place where it's unfashionable to say certain things. The only reason it's unfashionable is because a vocal minority have deemed my speech "hateful" even though it's free.
The fact that my free speech can now get me barred from establishments is on par with the ideologies we conquered in the 20th century.
I should be able to say:
1.that abortion should/should not be abolished
2.gays can/can not marry
3. women are/are not fundamentally different than men
4. Illegal immigrants should/should not be able to stay in my country
5. Islam is/ is not a violent, hateful, and supremacist organization.
6. Apple and Macs are / are not the best computers around.
7. PCs are / are not the best computers around.
Without fear of reprisal or imprisonment. The fact that statements like this are being punished in western democracies is frightening and a sign we are in critical decline.
And it's filled with a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals who think they're actual intellectuals. Meanwhile, 4Chan, while veiled in vulgarity, consists of actually intelligent people.
See subject: It's always a pleasure showing everyone how stupid you are drug addict mentalboy https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... you piece of SHIT from a country of men w/ NO BALLS & yes, you're from Sweden shitbag!
Which you tried LYING about to me after your twisted weak ass sent me a postcard from there (like the obsessed stinking little MENTALBOY whimp w/ "depression" (lmao, whimp) & drugged up CREEP you are fucker) but too bad I saw your post about the restaurant in Stockholm recently.
* You & yours from "SWEDEN"? NO BALLS - you let your women get RAPED by muslims (whereas MY TRIBE, poles, DROVE THEM OFF when all the rest of Europe, except Lithuania, RAN)!
You pitiful little no balls worms (which is WHY You are HOW you are - you can't help it - you're DESCENDED FROM SHITBAG PUNKS!)
APK
P.S.=> Truth HURT cocksucker? Meet me in person (you 'brag' you're a 'world-traveller' (big deal, I've seen europe too) 'rich man' (not - you're just some impoverished little LOSER, no questions asked) - come meet me FACE TO FACE & talk your shit to me bitch... apk
SHITCOCK!
yet. You can just hit next with an empty email....
the usual email address is in no way anonymous....
APK is the primary reason I wish Slashdot required identities, and provided a means to completely hide certain users' drivel.
Offhand, does anyone know if there's a GreaseMonkey script to remove APK's crap?
Ironically, I'm posting this anonymously because I know that APK will stalk me if he ever sees my username.
Yeah right, if Reddit really cared about anonymity, they'd let you post there without an account, like Slashdot.
The funny part is APK isn't anonymous at all. People have posted his real name.
And we all know how that ends.
SHITCOCK!
#DeleteFacebook
And address, and his mothers phone numbers, and more! He just can't learn!
And he links to posts that contain it, admits he's that very person... and keeps going with the same antics.
His physical address, email address, and probably-his phone number are also out there, usually in his own posts or otherwise brought in by his own doing.
This is a boast?
When it comes to anonymity and freedom the medium of Usenet has them beat by 20 years and it is still a viable forum.
It still puzzles me why people put up with the burden of web forums when Usenet is far more open and convenient.
There is no such thing as more or less anonymity on the internet. It is binary - either you are anonymous, or you are not. So what reddit doesn't want to know our names? They still know which IP address we browse their forums from (with the ISP, it reveals my name and address), as well as the forums we browse (build my personality profile). Put these things together, and there goes your anonymity BS. This is just a start...
You make multiple sockpuppets to stalk us plus upmod your primary registered 'lusr' account plus downmodbomb Apk https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...
"more like a conversation one has in real life"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
LOLOLOLOLOL
LOLOLOLOL
See subject: "... w/ wind in your hair of a 1,000 places" JET https://www.youtube.com/watch?... + "Feelin' Stronger every day" https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... THANKS 2U vs. DOZENS of REGISTERED /.ers BLOWIN' U AWAY... lol!
* "... climb in back & we'll go for a RIDE IN THE SKY..." JET!
APK
P.S.=> No folks, it's NOT EASY being "World-Class" vs. UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS STALKERS of me being JEALOUS "Lil' Jowies" they are who also IMPERSONATE ME (proving they WISH they were ME, lol) as "Imitation = SINCEREST form of FLATTERY" but this? Man, gotta say it (it's tradition vs. trolls) THIS? This, was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" ... apk
In my view it is the same to refuse service to somebody for their political affiliation, or because they are gay. That restaurant red hen refused service to Sarah Sanders is on the same level as the guy refusing to decorate a cake for gay marriage. Your religion preclude you to give anti abortion pill at a drugstore ? get another job. Your opinion is that you don't want to give cake for gay marriage ? Get another job. You don't want to serve politician in restaurant ? get another job. Etc rinse and repeat. If one is allowed by the constitution and law , then all are. Now if you ask my opinion, as soon as you are in a service industry you should not be allowed to discriminate *either way*.
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visit randi.org
Real adults like myself use their real name.
The summary is stupid. You can fake most of the stuff that websites ask you for anyway. It doesn't mean you're anonymous, Google, et al know who you are without your sign-in. The only really annoying websites are the ones that ask you for a phone number. I don't want anybody but friends and family to have my phone number and it's a little harder to fake that one.
... no email.
See subject & "... waiting to take YOU, away - climb in the back, w/ your HEAD in the CLOUDS & you're gone..." ZD NET "How to use a Hosts file to improve your internet experience" http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/ (where Steven Vaughan Nichols says "Where Hosts files really shine is by letting you block ads, spyware sites, malware sites, and tracking sites" )
(He missed DNS bennies vs. tracking logs, avoiding DNS security issues (redirect poisoning) & slowup BUT it's STARTING (as I knew it would)).
APK
P.S.=> Lucy in the Sky w/ DIAMONDS = APK Hosts File Engine 2.0++ for Linux 64-bit https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... + my MOOD today per the tune about (THANKS 2U actually) & other tunes https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... I used to express my thanks to you, lol... apk
Email isn't required on Reddit. That's what makes it so anonymous. It's like an old school account where it's useful for ME, not the for THEM.
reddit doesn't want the burden of having to police bots and/or shills that spread the kind of disinformation and propaganda reddit/Conde Nast supports. Just let the hive mind take care of it.
you all.
Reddit vs. Facebook is a stupid argument. IRC is still king.
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It happens all too much, people get fired for things they say online. The 'tolerant left' are doing this significantly lately. If you're not in with the gang and say something they don't agree with, bam they're trying to get you fired.
(The right likely do this too, but it's the hypocrisy of the left and the excessiveness the past few years which makes it feel cult-like and screwed up)
It's just not worth it.
Should have considered that this was your home before you took the advice of a Make money online book suggesting that you shitpost an affiliate link anytime you see the remotest opportunity.
If someone suggested that you can make money indoor farming with manure would you take a big shit in your tiny living room when there's a barn in your back yard? Plenty of people warned you about that behavior and you responded that you have thousands of karma points saved up so basically you can do whatever you want and nobody can stop you?
Fuck man you have horrible judgement please go pay off your credit cards and take your spam to reddit dipshit.
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Huffman argued that anonymity on Reddit actually makes using the site "more like a conversation one has in real life" than other exchanges on the internet. "When people detach from their real-world identities, they can be more authentic, more true to themselves," he claimed.
REALLY? Bwahahahahah! Yes, because people are OFTEN their "authentic, more true" selves in real-world, in-person, face-to-face conversations.
Why, just the other day I was telling someone what a total asshole I thought he was, despite him outweighing me by about 150 pounds, and it being all pure muscle, and also the fact that I thought he stopped too fast, that it was therefore HIS fault that I rear-ended his car, and that his abrupt change in speed even caused me to spill my DRINK! Then I told him what I thought of his haircut, fashion choices, disparaged his genetic inheritance, the upbringing he received, his taste in music, and for good measure, everything I could think of that was wrong with whatever his favorite sports team was. Then I whipped out my dick and bitchslapped him across the face with it.
Everything turned out REALLY well, just as it always does, while I was being my true, authentic self, just like on Reddit. Though I have a slashdot login, I am posting this anonymously, in honor of being MY most "authentic," true self. (Oh, PS, obviously I made some of this up. I will leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out which part(s).)
If you weren't such a shithead on this site, you wouldn't have to worry about this. Same goes for Kenja, houghi, and several others downthread who are whining. You guys want the ability to say vile shit daily and then not get any shit for it. Fuck every one of y'all.
I much prefer Everipedia's block-chain approach to determining and enforcing credibility.
https://everipedia.org/
Fuck that shit. No one is going to "stomp out disinformation".
I don't want the government, along with major corporations, deciding what is truth, what I am allowed to say.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- HST
You can stop trying to defend Huckasanders. She isn't gonna fuck you. I can plainly see where you're steering this discussion and I'm not having it.
Benjamin Franklin published letters under the name Silence Dogood, partly so that people would consider the what was being written, without being influenced by who it was written by.
I remember, back in the 90s when I first started getting online, and well into the 00s, EVERY SINGLE PUBLICATION about getting online stressed how important it was not to reveal your real identity on the Internet. This ESPECIALLY applied to anyone who was under age. It was in every single "Tips for Internet Safety" list, right next to not telling anyone you don't know and trust your name, location, and even phone number.
Then Facebook came along, and started pushing the real name thing. They started as a site for college students, so it made sense to use your real name to find other people on campus, but then it expanded into a general social media site, and they kept the mandatory real name policy going.
This shifted the culture to the point that these days, people think there's something wrong with you if you DON'T use your real name online. Luckily, several sites like Slashdot, Reddit, and Twitter are still big on letting you not use your real name, but for how long? The right to be anonymous online is something that has been around since the very early days. It should remain with us.
Back in the primitive dial up days, I'd look at my local ISP's "web pages". Now, the concept of a page was pretty leading edge, and only one place I knew of had a T1 line, so the web would actually load like we assume today-DSL was still a bit off (ok, I'm old) There was a young woman who posted everything about her life. Nursing Student...graduates...music she likes as MP3....photos of her flying lessons. I had no idea why she would do this-she seemed totally normal, kind of cute, and clearly was smart enough to do HTML before it was easy. I was fascinated as to why, on the anonymous web, she was posting all this stuff. It only stopped after her BF became her fiance....she even posted a ring photo. Again, sounds a lot like FB, but it was in the dial up days. No idea who she is/was, but she was totally ahead of the curve. I only followed it because on the random list of web pages the ISP had, A loaded first, and most web pages were primitive business pages. Today, people do real business on the web, the IRS requires you to pay "on line", and the ultimate way Corporate America tells you your transaction is basically valueless to them is "visit us on the web". I thought she was out of her mind, nuts. Turns out she was about 15 years early.
Given some of the information that has been provided by A/Cs over the years, I'm OK with the odd troll or even the sorts of posts by people like APK.
While browsing at +1 would mean skipping a lot of material and not just APK, even browsing at 0 would eliminate the majority.
While APK is likely to continue (his pattern of interaction looks more and more like a mental disorder) replying to him, remaining civil and pointing out his flaws is something that reinforces the standards of the forum. Banning or blocking would also harm other posters in other situations, would likely not be completely effective and would lend him a kind of legitimacy. Give him as much rope as he needs to hand himself.
APK. Sometimes the purpose of a life is to serve as a warning to others
We're trying to get TardChris to fuckoff to reddit.
Using your real name works for you, but don't expect it to be the right solution for everyone.
And I think you just hit on one of the ideals that Americans should be striving for: The freedom of an individual to make a choice. Bruce has made the choice to become a public figure and stand up for what he believes in. Other people might make the choice you describe, and not reveal their real names because they cannot afford the time, money, or effort that it might cost them to be a public figure.
Neither choice is correct or incorrect, but what is important is that each person have that choice, and that it isn't decided by a private corporation or a government intent on spying on them for political or financial purposes.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
You example are what I would call stupid. Legality always trump everything, you cannot be required to do something illegal. And THAT is already enshrined into laws. But for the rest ? I am sorry moral quandary are not a reason. If you have moral quandary about something which your job legally entail, then that job is not for you, do get another job.
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visit randi.org
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"Somebody appointed himself my personal PITA, so I returned the favour." -> Looks more like APK can dish it out, but can't take so much as a thimblefull in return.
You can't even get the username right, I had to guess at it.
And it looks like that account hasn't been used in about 3 years. Anybody that cares can read his journal entry and figure out pretty quickly that:
(a) you tried to shitflood Zontar off the board
(b) he decided to give you a taste of your own medicine
(c) he abandoned the account after he'd had a little fun with it (LOL) & made his point
CAPTCHA: populous
That's what a classy looks like. Between the postcard and the Burma Shave tribute, this is about as gentle as it gets. Given the nature of some of your critics and how harsh/blunt some of them have been, to keep harping on about Zontar is just ...
To be blunt, they're a better person than I am and if you think they are your enemy then you really are trapped in a special kind of hell.
APK. Damn, mate. Someone, somewhere really let you down.
Let's try hosts-file.net. Do you use them?" by UNIDENTIFIABLE Anonymous STALKER on Monday July 02, 2018 @10:48PM (#56883666)
Do I use 'em? Look @ Malwarebytes' hpHosts download page: They host my APK Hosts File Engine & your *laugh* bs gives you away - hence my quote above's alteration fitting you as you STALK ME constantly by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous.
APK
P.S.=> Lastly as to your question: I also already KNOW you can't show anything for yourself so I won't ask you that now again, lol (no point in my asking IF I already KNOW you're a "ne'er-do-well" as a fact)... apk
And I'm a poor, homeless fucker.
Come and get me.
Oh, wait, never mind; I have the homeless court advantage.
Bwaaa haaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaa