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Coffee Drinkers Are More Likely To Live Longer. Decaf May Do The Trick, Too (npr.org)
Coffee is far from a vice. There's now lots of evidence pointing to its health benefits, including a possible longevity boost for those of us with a daily coffee habit. From a report: The latest findings come from a study published Monday in JAMA Internal Medicine that included about a half-million people in England, Scotland and Wales. "We found that people who drank two to three cups per day had about a 12 percent lower risk of death compared to non-coffee drinkers" during the decade-long study, says Erikka Loftfield, a research fellow at the National Cancer Institute. Participants ranged in age from 38 to 73. The association held up among drinkers of decaffeinated coffee, too. In the U.S., there are similar findings linking higher consumption of coffee to a lower risk of early death in African-Americans, Japanese-Americans, Latinos and white adults, both men and women. A daily coffee habit is also linked to a decreased risk of stroke and Type 2 diabetes.
...time for a cup of joe...
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A skinny vanilla latte every day.
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And while we are on the topic, why are most habitual coffee drinkers also smokers? Does this study then conclude that smoking is also healthy too?
From TFS and TFA: "We found that people who drank two to three cups per day had about a 12 percent lower risk of death compared to non-coffee drinkers."
Wow. I gotta start drinking coffee.
Or, could it be a poorly worded sentence that the writer jumped on?
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Even though caffeine is a fairly weak drug, this shows the power of addiction. Caffeine addicts need that morning cup 'o joe so badly that they'll tell the Grim Reaper to bugger off and wait until they've had their coffee. Apparently it works!
let's see - white teeth or live longer...doh
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When you put in Cream and Sugar in it. I expect you counteract many of its positive effects. Like with a lot of healthy foods, you should be ingesting it without other ingredients.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
The latest findings come from a study published Monday in JAMA Internal Medicine that included about a half-million people in England, Scotland and Wales. "We found that people who drank two to three cups per day had about a 12 percent lower risk of death compared to non-coffee drinkers" during the decade-long study, says Erikka Loftfield, a research fellow at the National Cancer Institute
And what other factors did they control for? Age, income, working conditions, gender, diet, age, and many other things can affect longevity. This sounds like yet another idiotic study that found a correlation and jumps to the hasty generalization about its implications. The abstract provides no indication any effort was made to control for other possible causes. The real question is whether coffee is the proximal cause or if it is just a convenient correlation result due to other factors.
I'm also curious who funded this particular study... Hate to be cynical but one has to wonder.
The result showing decaf might have a similar effect is possibly the most interesting point in the study. It suggests that the effect is from something other than caffeine, which would mean there's more interesting chemicals in coffee.
There's no point in questioning authority if you aren't going to listen to the answers.
And while we are on the topic, why are most habitual coffee drinkers also smokers? Does this study then conclude that smoking is also healthy too?
The study didn't say that. It said that people who drink coffee USED TO BE likely to smoke. This was at a time when a much, much larger percentage of the population in the US smoked. In the early 1960s it was about 45%. That's why Coffee got a bad rap. Take out the smokers, and you get a positive benefit.
This also points out the problems with an observational study. There's all kinds of correlations between different behaviors. Observational studies are important and can point you in the right direction. But they don't really show a lot more than a correlation, and likely shouldn't be used to change behavior.
I know when I was severely depressed I didn't have the energy to drive to the place I bought my beans, roast them myself, grind them, and use my french press. I just gave-up on making coffee for several months. The study probably has more to do with the motivation of the subjects rather than coffee.
next week there will be something out that coffee causes cancer. Round and round we go, the marketing people spewing bs. to sell it, the scientists saying its not good for us,,,
Englanders don't drink coffee, not with all the tea crumpets.
"We found that people who drank two to three cups per day had about a 12 percent lower risk of death compared to non-coffee drinkers"
Nope. I think you'll find if you run the study long enough that everyone has a 100% risk of death no matter what they drink.
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Its in the melange in the coffee and not the coffee itself, bros.
Coffee can also fiddle with your genes.
I should be immortal.
Well, if you haven't died yet- perhaps you are.
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Jesus, do they come in gallon mugs? You seem to be getting fatter in every new video, Chris. The guy that called you an animated puddle wasn't too far off.
Is your ass a public repo for other data as well, or just that most habitual coffee drinkers smoke as well?
Looking forward to the retraction in 2-5 years that shows it's not really true due to the usual cast of reasons in dietary studies.
A large is 20 ounces and I only have one per day. I usually drink 1/2-gallon of fruit juice per week. Otherwise, I drink water.
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And while we are on the topic, why are most habitual coffee drinkers also smokers? Does this study then conclude that smoking is also healthy too?
I'd like to see your data on this. I know lots of people who drink a lot of coffee- I hardly know anyone that smokes anymore. There may or may not be a correlation of smokers also being coffee drinkers- but I'd be very surprised if most coffee drinkers also smoke. This is 2018, almost no-one smokes these days.
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Pretty sure EVERYONE has a 100% risk of death
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
did this study get its funding from the National Coffee Association?
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What did the control group drink?
My guess is soda of some kind, even if this is not measured.
Compare coffee drinkers with water drinkers (or at least drinks without sweeteners). Otherwise the test is not testing what you think it is testing.
Unless those dragons out in the kitchen get me.
... Perhaps office workers with less physically demanding jobs are more likely to drink coffee regularly compared to people working more strenuous professions.
Doh?
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Love coffee and I can have it at any time even before bedtime. Actually, espresso makes me drowsy.
Drop the fruit juice, it's mostly sugar.
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..... why are most habitual coffee drinkers also smokers?
I don't think this is necessarily true. If I were to guess I say its probably more likely that most smokers are also habitual coffee drinkers.
Nobody cares, creamer.
According to my study, 100% of the people who masturbate died within 150 years.
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You must buy a plot in the Great Smokey mountains, and tend to your own coffee shrubs, that you grow in shade, you pick the berries, feed them to the civet cat you own, and take the excreted beans, roast them yourself, grind them just 3 minutes before you brew and brew it fresh using natural spring water that you fetch it yourself. That is coffee. If not, might as well drink starbucks.
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The starbucks 1200 cal. coffee with all that artificial sweeteners and the sugar kills you.
A correlation is far from proving causation. It could just be that coffee drinkers belong preferentially to a more wealthy group, which enjoys better chances of living longer.
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I heard once about a test of trucks: On a nice sunny summer day they loaded few trucks in the morning with the same weight of sand, after which the trucks had to perform certain performance tests - one truck was outstanding.
It turned out, that the test was sponsored by the winning truck manufacturer, all the trucks were loaded with wet sand and weighted immediately, however the winning truck was the last to be tested way in the afternoon of the very hot day.
I heard lots of good things about coffee from many sources. It seems to be even helpful for some brain degeneration diseases, so I am not saying it cannot be true, just asking what was the control group drinking: water, vegetable smoothie or sodas? Or, in general, what were the control parameters of this study (ethnicity is not enough)?
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People drinking 2-3 cups indicates certain lifestyle that maybe associated with less risky lifestyle such as office work.
It's funny how other studies have completely the opposite conclusions... more of them have actually the opposite conclusions... guess which ones I trust more.....
Of course in California, coffee is required to have a sticker saying it causes cancer.
"had about a 12 percent lower risk of death"... I never understood these types of comments. It's as if it's saying you won't die if you drink coffee. Newsflash, your all going to die eventually.
In Californication, the coffee drinkers will all die of cancer.
And while we are on the topic, why are most habitual coffee drinkers also smokers? Does this study then conclude that smoking is also healthy too?
Well, I may be just as vain as you and like shaming smokers as much a the next guy, but if you ever noticed how healthy Native Americans are usually described and depicted from history, you have to wonder about the old ones that sat and still sit around together smoking all their lives. Turns out it actually all does depend on what you smoke. If you're smoking reconstituted tobacco and the chemicals infused in ordinary national brand US cigarettes, then you will soon die and are a victim of the 1950's chemical revolution and what Big Tobacco has been doing to Americans ever since, i.e. killing them by the hundreds of thousands per year, and a victim also somewhat of the US Department of Justice that "brought them to justice" in the early 1990's, only to allow them to continue the identical methods of producing their deadly product and more or less continue their genocidal practice of murdering Americans for profit, along with a big fine that was ultimately forgiven and taxes passed on to the victims.
As it turns out factually and scientifically, smoking tobacco isn't inherently all that bad for you. It does cause emphysema, which isn't good and no one needs, but it doesn't kill you, with cancer or by any other known fatal illness. What is killing people is that most smokers are not smoking tobacco, but half-tobacco, half reconstituted garbage off the floor made into a paper before shredding and infused with extra nicotine and more than 300 extra carcinogenic chemicals intended to increase the addictiveness of nicotine and smoking.
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No. 1103, p.112
Death rates for current pipe smokers were little if at all higher than for non-smokers, even with men smoking 10 pipefuls per day and with men who had smoked pipes for more than 30 years.
(No. 1103, page 92)
Among the pipe smokers.... The US mortality ratios are 0.8 for non-inhalers and 1.0 for inhalers.
...which means pipe (i.e. natural tobacco) smokers who inhale live as long as nonsmokers, and pipe smokers that don’t inhale live longer than non-smokers.
You should be shocked, because this is true, and a lot of what you think you know is absolute horseshit. I'm in the same boat. Best of luck.
I really don't give much credit to these types of articles, especially considering that caffeine withdrawal syndrome is a real thing. Coffee definitely is a vice, and was harder for me to quit than marijuana.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28613541
This is not tobacco! But this is what kills smokers, and nearly everyone mistakes this for tobacco.
I stopped drinking coffee and energy drinks 1.5 years ago. I had realised I was simply having too much. On an average day I would usually have 2-3 Monster Energy + 5-10 big mugs of coffee (ever seen Sports Direct ones?). I got to a point where my hands wouldn't stop trembling to the rhythm of my heartbeat because of such a high blood pressure.
Naturally, I started drinking coffee out of necessity. Projects, deadlines, not enough hours in a day. The usual stuff. However, it then struck me that heading to the kitchen and having a cuppa (ok, big flippin' mugga') had become my way of dealing with stress. Whenever under duress, I'd retreat to the kettle.
So one day I said enough. Quit overnight. I don't know what a drugs detox feels like but I'd bet my experiences for the next few days couldn't be much different from ditching A class drugs. I didn't know where I was or what I was doing. Attention span... well, it'd have to exist first. A proper withdrawal syndrome.
Since then, I replaced coffee with 7.5 hours of sleep each night. I've never looked back. The benefits of regular sleep in my opinion greatly outweigh the benefits of coffee.
except for those who live in California where coffee is "known to cause cancer"???
Fruit juice is mostly water ...
Why should a healthy person avoid sugar in a juice and skip all the vitamins and the superb taste?
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Poops release waste and're relaxing, thereby lowering stress.
Poop, for your health.
There is an explanation by eviction: when you drink coffee, you are not drinking a soda.
The exact effect of caffeine by itself seems problematic since the same trends in reducing mortality, albeit to a lesser degree, was true for those who drank decaffeinated coffee.
Not really.
Decaffeinated coffee is NOT caffeine-free coffee. Often it's not even really decaffeinated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
A controlled study of ten samples of prepared decaffeinated coffee from coffee shops showed that some caffeine remained.[1]
Fourteen to twenty cups of such decaffeinated coffee would contain as much caffeine as one cup of regular coffee.[1]
The 16-ounce (473-ml) cups of coffee samples contained caffeine in the range of 8.6 mg to 13.9 mg.
In another study of popular brands of decaf coffees, the caffeine content varied from 3 mg to 32 mg.[18]
An 8-ounce (237-ml) cup of regular coffee contains 95-200 mg of caffeine,[19] and a 12-ounce (355-milliliter) serving of Coca-Cola contains 36 mg.[20]
Both of these studies tested the caffeine content of store-brewed coffee, suggesting that the caffeine may be residual from the normal coffee served rather than poorly decaffeinated coffee.
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Most people only die once. You should get it over with now so you can life the rest of your life without fear of dying.
I remember a few years back some study was released saying that drinking alcohol was good for you. Problem is that it was funded by someone in the wine industry. Clearly biased and I suspect this might be the same deal. Maybe I'm wrong but it just seems that everyone has an angle.
Like did they account for the fact that one of the side-effects of people getting a fix of what they're addicted to is that it helps them to not die as a result of being executed for murdering all their coworkers like they MIGHT have done had they NOT reliably and regularly gotten their caffeine-fix? Just coo-ri-us.
Our reign has gone on long enough. Indeed. Summon the meteors.
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"Walker explains "how a good night's shut-eye can make us cleverer, more attractive, slimmer, happier, healthier, and ward off cancer.""
I'm about a third of the way through the book so far and it is just amazing. I will never take sleep for granted again.
Essentially, our brains are overclocked for high performance of a certain kind during the day and almost everyone absolutely need eight or so hours of good sleep each and every night for the brain to recover and stay healthy. (There is a very tiny number -- much less than 1% -- of people with a genetic mutation that lets them get by on less sleep.)
As one example, during the day, new factual information is stored in the hippocampus and then when you go to sleep NREM sleep moves the data to other part of the brain for long term storage. So, if you don't sleep enough that night, you lose much of those memories. Sleeping more a day or two later will never bring those memories back.
As another example, I just read today about how glial cells shrink during sleep so fluid can bathe the adjacent neurons and then the glial cells can remove toxic waste products that can lead to Alzheimer's.
He explains how drowsy driving causes more accidents and worse ones than drunk driving.
He also talks about how caffeine blocks receptors in the brain for adenosine (which causes "sleep pressure"). While caffeine may make it possible for people to get by with less sleep for a time, such users will still miss out on all the other health-giving parts of sleep as above -- and more, including greater creativity like from dreams.
That said, I'd add, for some people, coffee beans are the only beans they consume and in general eating beans and the phytonutrients they contain is health promoting. So, for some people, the health benefits of drinking coffee bean juice may outweigh issues of caffeine. But, there are lots of other beans people can eat that don't have caffeine in them.
https://well.blogs.nytimes.com...
So, bravo for making a great choice and sticking with it through caffeine withdrawal and into a healthier life.
See also in general:
http://web.archive.org/web/201...
"Tragically, most people are totally unaware that they are only a few weeks of discipline away from being able to comfortably maintain healthful dietary habits -- and to keep away from the products that can result in the destruction of their health."
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
Plants that contain an alkaloid usually contain a hundred different alkaloids. Assuming that some effect of coffee is from the caffeine is naive.
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You don't want to see a citation. You can see citations every day, maybe even in every reflective surface you pass.
Diet drinks make you fat. You see literal tons of fat bastards guzzling that shit daily and not a single one ever loses that weight without some kind of stomach mutilation, whether that be stomach staples or partial stomach removal or liposuction.
Like you've been told 100,000 times, it's your fault you're fat because you won't stop stuffing your piehole. Stop drinking soda, of any kind really, and drink some goddamned water.
Because the harm from sugar outweighs the benefits of vitamins which are available from other sources. Sugar kills. It leads to insulin intolerance and is directly linked to cancer.
Seriously, do I drink coffee because it might lengthen my life? Do you?
Hell no! I drink coffee because I like it. It's a versatile flavor that pairs well with many other flavours. It warms me up and gives me a shot of energy. Sometimes it just fills that tiny hole in the tummy. When I don't feel like coffee I drink something else, or nothing at all.
Suppose coffee actually shortened my life. As long as the effect isn't strong, would I stop drinking it? Hell no! Would you? I doubt it.
Remember that Old Wives Tale from when we were kids, that coffee stunted your growth? Did that stop you from drinking coffee? I doubt that too.
I could have sworn that all previous studies concluded that we all had a 100% chance of death.
Control for other causes among 500K participants over the entire breadth of the island of Great Britain? What do you want??
I want some effort putting into determining whether or not this correlation actually means anything before they report it as if it actually means something. There are all kinds of weird correlations that are statistically significant but don't actually mean anything or have any direct relationship. For example the divorce rate in the State of Maine has a 99% correlation with the per capita consumption of margarine in the US. Those two facts clearly have nothing to do with one another and yet they correlate incredibly strongly with large populations behind each.
I agree - the study was to see if caffeine was the cause of longer life - turns out any coffee led to longer life.
No it did not prove that coffee led to a longer life. It merely showed that there was a correlation between coffee drinking and living longer. Those are NOT the same thing and it entirely possible that the two facts have nothing to do with one another.
This reminds me of some study done by Japan a few years ago that found there was a reduced chance / effect from sarcopenia in older males. Sounds pretty good to just enjoy coffee daily and lose less muscle as you age.
The problem is, you still can't find anyone to do a peer review.
Naw, your dead already. The amount of caffeine in your system is just keeping your corpse animated for a few more years.
I agree. Doing an excellent job, keep it up.
And juice is way worse than eating the fruit would be. First of all, you drink more than one fruit worth of juice in a typical glass. Second of all, the fiber that comes from eating fruit slows down the absorption of the sugar so your body has more time to deal with it. Drinking the juice is a much quicker sugar spike.
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