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Scientists Perfect Technique To Create Most Dense, Solid-State Memory in History that Could Soon Exceed the Capabilities of Current Hard Drives By 1,000 Times (newatlas.com)

New submitter weedjams shares a report: Scientists at the University of Alberta have demonstrated a new data storage technique that stores zeroes and ones by the presence (or absence) of individual hydrogen atoms. The resulting storage density is an unparalleled 1.2 petabits per square inch -- 1,000 times greater than current hard disk and solid state drives, and 100 times greater than Blu-rays. The researchers, led by PhD student Roshan Achal and physics professor Robert Wolkow, built on a technique previously developed by Walkow that used the tip of a scanning tunneling microscope (STM) to remove or replace individual hydrogen atoms resting on a silicon substrate.

The inconceivably small dimensions (a hydrogen atom is only half a nanometer in diameter) allow for an astounding data storage density of 1.1 petabits (138 terabytes) per square inch. By comparison, a Blu-ray disk can "only" store about 12 terabits of data in the same area (one hundredth the data density), while both traditional magnetic hard drives and solid-state drives store somewhere in the region of 1.5 terabits per square inch (a thousandth of the density). This development, says Achal, could allow you to store the entire iTunes library of 45 million songs on the surface of a US quarter-dollar coin.

Achal and his team demoed the technology by creating a 192-bit cell, which they used to store a simple rendition of the Super Mario Bros video game theme song. To show the rewrite capabilities, the scientists also created an 8-bit memory cell which they used to store the letters of the alphabet one by one, represented via their respective ASCII code.
Further reading: ScienceDaily, and Nature.

176 comments

  1. Opportunity: by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2

    Record video of everything you say and do in your entire life.

    1. Re:Opportunity: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On volatile solid state storage? HA!

    2. Re:Opportunity: by pablo_max · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It seems likely that Apple will still start out with 32Gb installed, and charge an extra 80% for 1Tb, even though the costs are pennies.

    3. Re:Opportunity: by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I vaguely remember an Isaac Asimov? book with that theme in it.

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    4. Re:Opportunity: by mark-t · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nothing about "solid state" implies non-volatility... it actually implies no moving parts, but actually only means that is implemented on silicon.

    5. Re:Opportunity: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a device that could look at anything in the past. It became prohibited research because you could basically spy on anyone at anytime.
      A historian wanted to use it to look far into the past.

      Not quite the same, but similar. I don't remember the name of it.

    6. Re:Opportunity: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The dead past"

      A historian wanted to use it to look far into the past.

      "What if you focus the chronoscope 1/100 of a second into the past? Aren't you watching the present?"

    7. Re:Opportunity: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Record video of everything you say and do in your entire life.

      It seems likely that Apple will still start out with 32Gb installed, and charge an extra 80% for 1Tb, even though the costs are pennies.

      The Apple product is only for capturing and improving the video. Facebook is for the lifetime storage.

    8. Re: Opportunity: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple doesnâ(TM)t use the terabit unit when referring to capacity, why are you?

    9. Re:Opportunity: by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      You haven't met my ex-wife. As solid as ice yet as volatile as TNT.

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    10. Re:Opportunity: by avandesande · · Score: 1

      So if I made a car out of silicon it would be 'solid state'?
      My apologies :(

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    11. Re:Opportunity: by oldgraybeard · · Score: 2

      From multiple perspectives including but not limited to family, relatives and friends. With audio tracks in most languages with subtitles. Accounting each and every requirement in the Americans with Disabilities Act.

      Even though for most individuals, no one including the individual doing it would never look at it again.

      Just my 2 cents ;)

    12. Re:Opportunity: by tattood · · Score: 2

      Since this uses placement of Hydrogen atoms to determine bit state, does that mean it could be wiped out by static electricity, similar to how you can bend a stream of water using a statically charged balloon?

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    13. Re:Opportunity: by bhetrick · · Score: 1
    14. Re:Opportunity: by gweihir · · Score: 1

      No way. This is just another "magic" storage technology that will never materialize in a product that actually works.

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    15. Re:Opportunity: by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Not even that. There's a proposed diamond crystal that would store memories in the polarization of imperfections filled with a particular Nitrogen isotope as doping. That's solid state, and I think it might even be a persistent as flash. Reading it, writing it, and making it are currently problematic, though. (IIRC in the lab sample they wrote it with a particle beam, but that may have been how they made it.)

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    16. Re:Opportunity: by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Never is a long time, but I wouldn't expect a consumer product this decade or next. Controlling the accuracy of reads and writes that finely is not going to be easy. Still, it sounds like a capacious non-volatile memory, so it might someday be developed.

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    17. Re:Opportunity: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't met my ex-wife. As solid as ice yet as volatile as TNT.

      There are many things far more solid than ice.

      Also, TNT is fairly stable.

    18. Re:Opportunity: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Neanderthal Parallax by Robert Sawyer has this theme, where every person on a parallel earth has a device on their forearm which records their environment and also contains a personal AI among other things. It's a neat concept, the data isn't stored locally though, it's transmitted to a secure data storage facility where the information is stored in a block of "processed graphene" (or granite? or graphite?). As I recall it wasn't quite video capture, it was a 3D capture of their immediate surrounding.

    19. Re:Opportunity: by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      The phrase originated when most electronics were based on vacuum tubes, to signify implementation via transistors (germanium or silicon) instead.

    20. Re:Opportunity: by TechnoJoe · · Score: 1
    21. Re:Opportunity: by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Technically, the actual semiconductor substrate is immaterial... the point is that something that is 'solid state' is built from semiconductor technology. I mentioned silicon because that is currently the only really practical substrate that is used commercially today.

    22. Re:Opportunity: by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      maybe 64 if you pay an inital 50% extra and then only 75% for every extra tb ... i'm always weary of the keyword "could" in things like this, it usually means they're going the way they did with the cd ... being able to store about 16gb from the start they started out with 600mb discs, i think you hit it right on the head there

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  2. I can finally hold all my porn by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

    Imagine, more porn than one can possibly watch in a lifetime in the palm of my hand

    1. Re:I can finally hold all my porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Challenge accepted.

    2. Re:I can finally hold all my porn by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine, more porn than one can possibly watch in a lifetime in the palm of my hand

      I really don't want to think about the palm of your hand right now.

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    3. Re: I can finally hold all my porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's ok, you can use the palm of _my_ hand.

    4. Re:I can finally hold all my porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both the hand and willie are worn to a nub :(

    5. Re:I can finally hold all my porn by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Just ONE hand, I assume...

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    6. Re:I can finally hold all my porn by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we thought that when the first gigabyte drive came out, too. My God, we thought, how will we ever fill that thing up with 8 bit pixellated porn? Once they start encoding other sense data into the porn, you'll probably end up being able to store less of it than you're able to store of your current porn now.

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    7. Re: I can finally hold all my porn by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      ...and you only have one hand?

    8. Re:I can finally hold all my porn by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      Imagine that porn nestled in fur....

    9. Re:I can finally hold all my porn by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      What's the point of storing sense data? The purpose of VR/AR in porn will be to shock the camwhores in their buttholes, not to feel them doing things to you.

    10. Re:I can finally hold all my porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine, more porn than one can possibly watch in a lifetime in the palm of my hand

      I really don't want to think about the palm of your hand right now.

      Thanks for the image.

    11. Re:I can finally hold all my porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I admire the progressive way you're talking about your porn addiction. I wish I was as brave.

  3. Soon? by msauve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They've stored 192 bits in a lab, and they're claiming that all of iTunes could fit on a quarter "soon?" Are they also selling bridges?

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    1. Re:Soon? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      With all these storage enhancements I read about the time it takes for them to come out and be tested. useful and affordable. Comes in during the normal trending of storage.

      20 years ago. My System had a 1 Gig drive. which was standard amount. 20 years later 1 TB drives are standard. 1000x improvement. same form factor.

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    2. Re: Soon? by c6gunner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      20 years is a more likely timeline.

      The scientists involved here said "5-10 years with proper funding", which is a science euphemism for "cover my next funding cycle and then we will see". If the technology is viable and there aren't any serious unexpected hurdles to overcome, expect it to be 20 years by the time it hits the market.

    3. Re:Soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The densities are incredibly high, there is no doubt about that. A manufacturing process is all that remains to accomplish the claims.

      I wouldn't recommend betting against this one long term.

    4. Re:Soon? by Ed_1024 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing that gets my goat is the headline *Scientists Perfect Technique* when that is not at all what they have done. Its a demonstration of what _might_ be possible given a huge amount of R&D and Im pretty sure these particular scientists did not claim to have perfected anything. It would have been fine to introduce the subject with any hyperbole at all and would have still been exciting to read...

    5. Re:Soon? by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      "Soon" means nothing. It's the go to marketing buzzword when you don't have any idea, but want the free marketing attention that is journalists who have no idea how anything works.

    6. Re:Soon? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      A manufacturing process is all that remains to accomplish the claims.

      Same is true of graphene. How long have people been working on that?

    7. Re:Soon? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      Maybe about 5-7 years ago, but it seems that storage has leveled off. HDD and SSD prices have been almost unchanged in the past two years.

      I have read about storage density improvements for years now. However, prices and capacity are basically unchanged since 2016. When stuff changes in the marketplace, what is when I might care.

    8. Re:Soon? by QRDeNameland · · Score: 4, Informative

      The densities are incredibly high, there is no doubt about that. A manufacturing process is all that remains to accomplish the claims.

      Well, if you read the article (yeah, yeah, I know), there's this:

      "Unfortunately, writing speeds still leave something to be desired. According to the accompanying paper, writing each 8-bit ASCII code took between 10 and 120 seconds, which isn't exactly practical for today's consumer products."

      Not saying they can't overcome that eventually, but that would need to be solved long before the manufacturing process.

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    9. Re:Soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And fits on the side of a quarter.

      It only requires a Scanning Tunneling Microscope, a multi-million dollar piece of lab equipment the size of a small car to fit that data onto the size of a quarter.

      yep, 5 to 10 years with proper funding. Sure.

    10. Re:Soon? by fafalone · · Score: 1

      'Soon' is one of those great words that can mean whatever you want it to mean. I have no doubt in my mind this technology will be available to the consumer "soon" when thinking in historical timescales, even 'very soon' on geological times scales, where written language was followed up very quickly by the internet.

    11. Re:Soon? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      We've been hearing this same line of bullshit for years and it never pans out. Someone in a lab has a "breakthrough" and surprise surprise it never amounts to anything. It used to be 3d holographic storage was going to make magnetic media obsolete. I'll believe it when I can buy it from a store.

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    12. Re: Soon? by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      Are you shure did you useca 2.5inch hdd in 1998 or a 3.5, Iâ(TM)m not askind to troll I just canâ(TM)t honeslybremember what I used back then blame my ADD

    13. Re:Soon? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      username checks out

    14. Re:Soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or get a 1TB M.2... 1000x improvement, and you can fit at least 20 of them in the space of a 3.5in HD. Is that a 20,000x improvement then?

    15. Re:Soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Old EEPROMs (like Intel 2816 from late 1970's) typically had write/erase rates of around 9-12ms. With a verification step your burning process typically ran at around 50 bytes per second. Certainly faster than what is shown in this lab, but writing speeds for commodity flash are approaching 1 million times faster in the span of 40 years since those early devices. (UHS Class 3 flash is 30 MB/s write)

    16. Re:Soon? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Probably will not materialize, ever. The history of storage tech is full with "magic" solutions that never worked.

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    17. Re: Soon? by AndroSyn · · Score: 1

      The 2.5" form factory has been around since the early 90s if I recall correctly. Pretty much just for laptops back then.

    18. Re: Soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could be moldy food. Clean the fridge!

    19. Re:Soon? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Imagine telling someone about a modern hard drive in 1960 when they were still striping tape...something that could be done carefully by hand. Modern HDs are treated as everyday tech but the reality is that most people can barely fathom the details that they already know to be true since they are using the damn thing. The scale of a modern mechanical hard drive has far outpaced the human ability to quantify the scale accurately. Mind boggling is the correct term.

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    20. Re:Soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their ICO is set for next week.

  4. Current broadband by pablo_max · · Score: 1

    And with the average broadband in the US being about 50Mb/s DL and 5 UP, I guess it should take a while to fill with content.
    Not to mention, Cock (or is it Cox?) will surely throttle your connection long before you ever get the chance.

    1. Re:Current broadband by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      And with the average broadband in the US being about 50Mb/s DL and 5 UP, I guess it should take a while to fill with content.
      Not to mention, Cock (or is it Cox?) will surely throttle your connection long before you ever get the chance.

      It will be cheaper to have the contents of the internet delivered to your house via snail mail once a week.

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    2. Re:Current broadband by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      To clarify... that is- once storage gets so small (and cheap)

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    3. Re:Current broadband by buravirgil · · Score: 4, Informative

      It will be cheaper to have the contents of the internet delivered to your house via snail mail once a week.

      Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
      ~ Andrew S. Tanebaum, creator of Minix

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    4. Re:Current broadband by JackSpratts · · Score: 1

      perhaps. no telling where speeds will be down the road, but yeah, you'll eventually have the entire output of the mpaa, riaa, library of congress and every smokin southern gal's bitchin fried green tomaters and mint julep recipes on your single little homedrive, all waiting to be cloned in person by your new found pals, all more than willing to return the favor of course. viva the new p2p sneakernet.

    5. Re:Current broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Classic Tanenbaum.

    6. Re:Current broadband by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Mind you, the latency sucks donkey balls.
      ~ A. Turing, creator of tests

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    7. Re:Current broadband by Walter+White · · Score: 1

      I've done it. I have offsite backups at my son's place. They've been building incrementally for years now. I wanted to migrate from EXT4 to ZFS and upgrade the H/W while I was at it. In order to complete the work, I created a local copy of the remote filesystem and put it on an 8TB external HDD. It took hours. Then I took it to my son's place and loaded it on the remote system. The data set is over 3TB and would have taken way way too long to transfer over the Internet with the upload caps that Comcast exerts. For this particular use case latency was not an issue.

  5. Blu-ray storage density? by ERJ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cool tech if they can make it an actual product but I am getting hung up on their storage density of Blu-ray disks. Since when can a Blu-ray disk store 12 terabits of data per square inch? As far as I am aware the largest disks store 128GB of data on a what my quick back of the envelop calculations show to be around 12 square inches.

    1. Re:Blu-ray storage density? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And?

    2. Re:Blu-ray storage density? by joshgs · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. Don't tell the movie companies, can you imagine how many more previews they will add before each movie?

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    3. Re:Blu-ray storage density? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Redundancy error correction I expect is used for some of that space.
      Being that normal consumers will but some wear on these things scratches and the like can kill a lot of data when you have 12 terabits per square inch.

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    4. Re:Blu-ray storage density? by Headw1nd · · Score: 2

      Yeah their numbers seem pretty far off. I think they say 12Gbit/in sq and read it as 12 Tbit/in sq

    5. Re: Blu-ray storage density? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Redundancy error correction I expect is used for some of that space.

      Quick back of the envelope math says that the difference between the claimed capacity and his observed capacity means that you could have 140 copies of the data on that disc. That's some serious redundancy.

    6. Re:Blu-ray storage density? by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      A Blu-Ray disc is 4.7 inches in diameter, which is 3.14*2.35*2.35 = 17.34 square inches.

      But here's where the "cheat" comes in; they use multiple layers in the higher capacity Blu-Ray disks. I believe the 128GB ones 4 layers? So that's really almost 70 square inches to store that data...
      =Smidge=

    7. Re:Blu-ray storage density? by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2

      Apparently, they can only use 16 square inches of that. The areal density of a blu ray layer is 12.5 Gbits / square inch. Each layer holds 25 GBytes. (25*8)/12.5 = 16 square inches of area. Frankly, I'm surprised they can use that much.

      Newer tech has allowed them to reach 100GB using three layers with the Ultra Blu Ray. There is also a 4 layer spec for the 128GB.

      If the article was interpreting layers as density, it would take near 1000 layers to boost blu ray's native 12.5 gigabits/ square inch to the 12 Tbits/square inch level.

      The article has an obvious mistake. Period. It is typical of today's tech articles.

    8. Re:Blu-ray storage density? by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Since when can a Blu-ray disk store 12 terabits of data per square inch?

      I am not them, but I assume that they mean that the technology is capable of that in a lab environment. When the process is moved into a mass manufactured product, that theoretical limit is lowered ... substantially.

      Or, maybe they messed up their units. *shrug*

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  6. Dense solid-state memory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer smart solid-state memory!

    1. Re:Dense solid-state memory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK Chris, settle down. I realize you're trying new meds but give them time to work.

    2. Re:Dense solid-state memory? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, prefer memory that isn't captured.

  7. Nintendo will want $100M for that Super Mario Bros by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Nintendo will want $100M for that Super Mario Bros usage.

  8. Unlikely by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    University of Alberta? This seems um.....unlikely.

    1. Re:Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, bigot much? I can't even right now.

    2. Re:Unlikely by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Umm... why? Serious question.

    3. Re:Unlikely by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Cmon. Canada. I know you are Canadian, but cmon. Canada? University of Alberta?

    4. Re:Unlikely by mark-t · · Score: 1

      That doesn't answer the question... again, why should this be so surprising when Canada is not a backwater country without any ubiquitous access to modern technology?

    5. Re:Unlikely by cflange · · Score: 2

      I would agree with "unexpected," because many do not know that the University of Alberta hosts the Canadian National Institute for Nanotechnology (NINT). Also many are not aware that Robert Wolkow entered the Guinness Book of Records with the "Sharpest Object Ever Made": https://www.ualberta.ca/newtra... But it is the practical translation of this new technology into nanomanufacturing that will make this computer memory revolution possible: https://www.ualberta.ca/scienc... Now, the University of Alberta will not only be know for being the birthplace of Deepmind's AlphaGo, but also for starting the nanomanufacturing revolution.

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    6. Re:Unlikely by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      "Now, the University of Alberta will not only be know for being the birthplace of Deepmind's AlphaGo"

      Exactly. That is why this is unlikely.

    7. Re:Unlikely by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Cmon. Canada?

    8. Re:Unlikely by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I have given you ample opportunity to justify your position with some particular rationalization, giving you the benefit of the doubt that you had some sort of reason to think it was somehow unlikely that someone in Canada could have done this. Given your continued ignoring of the direct question, and that you merely choose to repeat your expression of incredulity, It seems you have crossed the threshold between being forgivably naive about reality and just plain irrationally bigoted.

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  10. Not for years to come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every time I see articles like these to hype us on new tech.... we just end up disappointed because someone either patents it and does nothing with it ever, or they take so long to develop it that something else that's better is just around the corner.

    1. Re:Not for years to come by greenwow · · Score: 1

      At least it's not yet another promising battery technology.

    2. Re:Not for years to come by Kielistic · · Score: 1

      If it moves hydrogen atoms around it could conceivably be used as a battery of sorts.

    3. Re:Not for years to come by admin7087 · · Score: 1

      Yep, unfortunately these stories almost always describe vaporware. I fondly remember all these magical reports about Tesa ROM and Tesa Worm and wonder every few years about what happened to this technology. Wo don't have the paperless office or flying cars yet either, and the robot also doesn't work for me so I have more spare time. :-/

  11. Not a typo: Walkow != Wolkow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I first read the summary I thought there was a typo and it was based upon research the same guy had done earlier. But it appears from some quick google searching they are in fact two different people.

  12. As neat as it is... by Gaygirlie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As neat as this news is, it's going to just remain a curiosity. I mean, there have been hundreds of similar news over the years and how many of those have actually materialized into a useful product? A tiny, miniscule fraction, that's how many.

    I'll get excited once there's something that seems like it might actually make it into the market as a product I might one day be able to afford, but this ain't that.

    1. Re: As neat as it is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly.
      Call me when I can plug this into my phone or laptop.

    2. Re:As neat as it is... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I mean, there have been hundreds of similar news over the years and how many of those have actually materialized into a useful product? A tiny, miniscule fraction, that's how many.

      The methods and R&D from many such advancements have made it into many products you take for granted already. Just because each company doesn't launch it's own standalone product doesn't mean you aren't using the fruits of many of these R&D announcements you have heard.

  13. Off by an order of magnitude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I really feel the need to point out that a hydrogen atom does not, in fact, have a diameter equal to half a nanometer. It's 0.05 nm.

    1. Re:Off by an order of magnitude by pablo_max · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, A hydrogen atom is about 0.1 nm in diameter

    2. Re:Off by an order of magnitude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1.06 Ångströms. Since we're doing this.

    3. Re: Off by an order of magnitude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many Picards is that?

    4. Re:Off by an order of magnitude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have the correct answer, but the sad neckbeards here can't bear to be insulted.

  14. Re:Nintendo will want $100M for that Super Mario B by pablo_max · · Score: 1

    I don't get it...

  15. Terrible Performance Scaling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've heard about these techniques before. Atomic Force Microscopes, DNA storage, they all have the same problems. Incredible storage densities but the ability to read and write quickly is missing.

    In order to commercialize this technology you have to overcome the bottleneck of terrible I/O speeds. Oh, and you need to incorporate an atomic microscope into your storage device. That is not great for commercialization prospects.

    Short of that, these storage systems are only good for offline data storage, and situations where exceptionally high density must be achieved at any cost.

  16. Very Slow by Drethon · · Score: 1

    Unless they overcome the access speed issues listed in the article, it is going to be much slower than existing storage methods. But this could be used as a long term storage layer, below a faster SSD.

    1. Re:Very Slow by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Just parallel a bunch of 192 bit cells. Access speed issue overcome.

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    2. Re:Very Slow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and - your harddrive is now the size of a house.

    3. Re:Very Slow by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      Of course, the cells will be larger than 192 bits; I only used that number as it's what they've achieved at this moment.

      For reference, parallelization is the same trick used by today's fastest flash-based SSDs. Are those the size of a house?

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  17. Exotic design.. by jwhyche · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Scientists at the University of Alberta have demonstrated a new data storage technique that stores zeroes and ones by the presence (or absence) of individual hydrogen atoms

    In other words a exotic design that barely works in the lab, with no chance of working in the real world. But give us 20 years and we might have something.

    Didn't we hear the same thing about some holographic crystal storage 20 years ago?

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    1. Re:Exotic design.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While this may never amount to anything there are some big differences between this and holographic storage. Hologrpahic storage has been talked about for 50 years and aside from a few very niche products and technology demonstrations it has never come to anything. The problem is while its fast its single write so its only good for data archiving. It also requires what were until recently very expensive fancy lasers. So its too expensive and doesn't have much utility beyond archiving.

      This was just made so I think its too early to judge. While most new storage technologies amount to nothing, every now and then you get something like magnetic disks, optical media and flash memory. The point of university research isn't to make a viable product. Its to do the foundational research science that allows that allows engineers to apply it to practical products. If this has any merit at all then expect them to file a patent if the university didn't already as standard protocol and try to license it to someone like Intel or Samsung. If a big name semiconductor firm picks it up then we might be talking about something. But even companies dump gobs of money into RnD that doesn't pan out.

    2. Re:Exotic design.. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Didn't we hear the same thing about some holographic crystal storage 20 years ago?

      But it's hard to predict what will boom and what gets stuck in a rut. There are roughly 20 flops for every breakthrough.

      Sometimes it also takes advances in other areas before progress can be made. Semiconductors showed promise as far back as the 1800's, but they turned out to be difficult to reliably manufacture. Impurities are what give them their useful properties, but the balance of impurities has to be carefully controlled for them to work right and consistently among batches. Progress in manufacturing and chemistry had to come about before semiconductors took off.

    3. Re:Exotic design.. by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      There are roughly 20 flops for every breakthrough.

      More like 20 megaflops.

    4. Re:Exotic design.. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Holding up one example of a failed delivery doesn't negate that in the past 20 years we have seen over a 1000x increase in storage density for similar R&D anouncements dismissed. You dismissed holographic storage, others dismissed SMR, incidentally the holographic made it out of the lab, but never realised as cost effective. It was further developed into the HVD format which also showed promise right until a competitor showed you can start layering many optical medium layers together.

      These technologies didn't fail, they were beaten.

  18. hihi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice to change subject. It's portable power that we greedy commoners really want.

  19. Speed by dtmos · · Score: 1

    Besides reliable operation at room temperature, the biggest issue with atomic-scale memories always has been read and (especially) write speed, since they use an atomic force microscope. It will be interesting to see how the technology develops to overcome these limitations.

  20. Re:Nintendo will want $100M for that Super Mario B by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1
  21. And yet by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

    Users will still find a way to burn up the drive space in no time at all. Speaking as a storage admin.

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    1. Re:And yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you doing chargebacks to the customers BU. That usually causes people to care about how much storage they use.

    2. Re:And yet by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      We generally have not set quotas (with exceptions!) or auto-audited individual usage, historically. For some odd reason, that was the business policy in most cases, unless the user managers wanted to use it on their users. Most did not.
      While we are currently in the process of moving to Windows, currently most of our file shares are Novell OES linux servers.
      One large server had an issue right after a migration to new hardware where it's volume did in fact have user quotas enabled and some users restricted, and that would slow the file system down to a crawl as more users connected in the morning to the point of it being unusable; I wanted to move forward and troubleshoot the actual issue further (Novell's NSS group was more than willing to assist) but administration here just wanted it fixed quick and was unconcerned at the time about space, so that feature was left disabled and unresolved.

      Previously we've usually gotten by because a lot of the wasted space has been private mp3 files and family vacation pics and similar, and once we cracked down on that things got better, at least for a while. We started off with lots of warnings and giving them time to remove them, and then we found these files often went back up after a few weeks by the same two or three dozen users or so. Once we stopped with the warnings and just started deleting immediately, they finally got the hint, but disciplinary action around here for such infractions just doesn't happen.
      (And then we've also got an Oracle DBA around here who is infamous for making several copies of his copies of his db backups, and has them spread all over the place, but not knowing Oracle nor working closely with him, I can't tell what is superfluous and what is critical.)
      Still, think the days of laissez faire storage use here are numbered.
      Whenever the migration to Windows goes underway, we'll probably look at AD quota policies more seriously.

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  22. what? by thoper · · Score: 1

    Where are these multi terabyte blu rays tfs refers to? this summanry is nonsense. Also the first and second paragraphs says basically the same. how do you read and write this "memory"

  23. Going to have to see how quickly we can fill it by nucrash · · Score: 1

    Back in the day when Slashdot was a new thing and I recently purchased a 5 GB drive, my friend and I would bring over a collection of media and we would see how quickly we could fill the new drive. Less than a few hours.

    We repeated the experiment when I upgraded to a 13 GB drive and again when I moved up to a 20 GB drive and later to a 250 GB drive.
    I haven't done such an experiment in a long long time, but to do such again would be tempting.

    I doubt my cable provider would like me if I did this over the wire.

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    1. Re:Going to have to see how quickly we can fill it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I don't think they would mind, since TFA mentions

      writing each 8-bit ASCII code took between 10 and 120 seconds

      At that rate, it would take between 1,585 and 19,025 years to fill your 5 GB drive.

  24. Science giveth, Science taketh away by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    a technique previously developed by Walkow that used the tip of a scanning tunneling microscope (STM) to remove or replace individual hydrogen atoms resting on a silicon substrate.

    Wow, a chip the size of my thumbnail that can hold 2.8 LOCs!

    Too bad the reader will be the size of an 80's Dell desktop.

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    1. Re:Science giveth, Science taketh away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2.8 LOCs = 2.8 Lines-of-Code???

    2. Re:Science giveth, Science taketh away by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      And back in the day, 5 megabyte hard drives were the size of dishwashers. What's your point?

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    3. Re:Science giveth, Science taketh away by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Ha! I didn't think of that very obvious interpretation... it actually refers to that classic unit of measurement, the Library of Congress.

      Technically a line of code could be any length though so perhaps they are the same... :-)

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  25. Re:Nintendo will want $100M for that Super Mario B by pablo_max · · Score: 1

    Thanks. I had missed that one.

  26. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they will make us pay fpr gradual upgrades anyway. its not like they will sell 1tb for xx$ and the next day 100pb for same $.
    They will milk the masses for as much as they can for as long a time possible.

    1. Re:meh by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      I feel like if you actually had this tech in a commercialized form, the smart move would be to short the fuck out of the other storage companies, release the 100PB drives, kill the market, and enjoy your time billionaire island.

      But maybe this is why I'm not a billionaire.

    2. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is if you get caught, you may get prosecuted for insider trading.

    3. Re:meh by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      Does Insider trading cover shorting other companies in the industry when yours is about to each their lunch?

  27. A Better Battery by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

    In other news, scientists have created a better battery! Or was it a mouse trap? I'll get my hopes up when I can buy it. Getting tired of all this sensationalist crap that never see's the light of day.

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  28. Wait a minute... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The described procedure is not easily scaled. It has been known for a long time that you could push individual atoms around with a needle, at least 10 years ago IBM produced an IBM logo made of individual atoms. This sets a theoretical record, for densest relatively static medium. I guess subatomic and field versions might go smaller.

    But this is not at all about practical storage. To have that, you don't only need a small medium, you need a way to address large amounts of it efficiently, and access the addressed bits to read or write them.

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      It is always the same crap with these "magical" storage technologies: They never result in an useful product. Remember, say, optical tape? The stuff is always 5...20 years in the future and they want money.

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    2. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On top of the read out problem is storing hydrogen. That is tricky at anything approaching room temperatures without locking it into a molecule.

      Unless carefully contained, hydrogen diffuses through the container walls. It just slips past the modules through defects (or just the grain) in the containment material. It's a serious problem for metals but we've developed lots of tricks for working with bulk hydrogen for things like space travel.

      You'll probably need a large special rap to keep the hydrogen atom contains. That increases the size of your storage 'cell' by a lot, reducing your overall capacity by one or two orders of magnitude.

      Or you can switch to some other, larger atom without such shenanigans. That drops the density, too. I hear that silicon does a pretty good job.

      You might be able to store the iTunes store in a hydrogen-atom device the size of a quarter using this hydrogen atom storage. But as soon as it's warmed up you'll have the information smearing all over the room without proper containment.

      I wouldn't want to be on the receiving side of the RIAA/MPIA lawsuit when they found out you shared every song with someone else in the same room.

  29. Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but can it run Linux?

  30. Scientists at the University of Alberta have demonstrated a new data storage technique that stores zeroes and ones by the presence (or absence) of individual hydrogen atoms.

    That's kind of a tight tolerance there ... not much room for error, ya know ...

  31. only 1000x? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    I am happily surprised to learn that current commodity technology is within 1000x of manipulating individual atoms. That's amazing for anybody who worked with shoebox-sized 5MB drives.

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    1. Re:only 1000x? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, I have an 80 MB hard drive that weighs more than I do :)

      Now it would get lost in my pocket :O

      Now, if only my SOFTWARE was 1000 times better. Doing twice as much, twice as fast seems a bit weak in comparison !
      Still tempted to load up my Windows 95 accounting system, should run good on 3000MHz instead of 200MHz ;)

  32. Perfect? by vanyel · · Score: 1

    Demonstrating a technology is a long ways from perfecting a technology...

  33. I'm guessing this won't be at Best Buy ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... any time soon.

    I suspect this data storage technique is going to require hardening to something like space-qualified levels to avoid having stray radiation dinging those individual hydrogen atoms and wonder how much that will end up costing.

    1. Re: I'm guessing this won't be at Best Buy ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be more concerned at read/write speed. This kind of precision should make rapid movements a problem because a tiny impact could throw off the alighnment completely.

  34. What do we call it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we just call them Isolinear chips and be done with it?

    Thanks.

  35. I watched the embedded video and lost 10 IQ points by Skip+Whiffle · · Score: 2

    I thought the article was light on information until I watched the embedded video. Wow.

  36. Holographic Memory by Psion · · Score: 1

    Color me skeptical, but I'm still waiting for Page Oriented Holographic Memory. I'm looking at you January 1991 issue of Byte Magazine! You got my hopes up and still no trillions of bits on a microscope slide.

  37. Temporal fugitive by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Informative

    at least 10 years ago IBM produced an IBM logo made of individual atoms

    1989... 29 years ago.

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  38. Write speed = Stone Tablet etching by daveglass68 · · Score: 1

    From the article, "Unfortunately, writing speeds still leave something to be desired. According to the accompanying paper, writing each 8-bit ASCII code took between 10 and 120 seconds, which isn't exactly practical for today's consumer products. However, the fact that this technology is built on silicon and uses materials that can easily interface with existing semiconductor technology bodes well for the future automation of the process." Isn't exactly practical is quite an understatement. A bit premature for a press release on this one, unless seconds should read milli- or nano-

    1. Re: Write speed = Stone Tablet etching by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      Say what at best 0.8 bit/second and at worst 0.067 bit/second ? Yes you ate right som more development id needed here, the densety( while impressive) will be of little use, even for archiveing, if it takea this long to write. At best this results in (at best) 2880Kb/h .... better hope the maretials n this device and all the electronics actually dupling the data to be written stays up for a long time as fillng just one sq inch take over 61000 years, - yea abbout that, contact me when you havve increesed the speed several orders of magnitute

  39. 20 years ago I bought a 7 gig hard disk by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    for $190. It was a good price. I just bought a 500 gig SSD for $150, and I could have had a fast 1 terabyte platter drive for $60.

    Maybe this won't be the next storage solution, but maybe it will. You never know. But we've increased storage by 70-140x while adjusting for inflation dropped the price massively. I can't complain really. I say let the boffins work :).

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    1. Re:20 years ago I bought a 7 gig hard disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's buying 1tb drives anymore? That was impressive say. 6 years ago? This whole sad thing is suddenly making 1tb drives sound large?

    2. Re:20 years ago I bought a 7 gig hard disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get an 8tb drive that is faster that the 7gb drove for 244$. Convert that to 1998 dollars, and it's about 167$. In other words, storage increased by much much more than 140x.

  40. Confused and impressed by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    The resulting storage density is an unparalleled 1.2 petabits per square inch [...] The inconceivably small dimensions (a hydrogen atom is only half a nanometer in diameter) allow for an astounding data storage density of 1.1 petabits (138 terabytes) per square inch.

    So, is it 1.1 or 1.2 petabits per square inch?

    This development, says Achal, could allow you to store the entire iTunes library of 45 million songs on the surface of a US quarter-dollar coin.

    Not sure which one is more mind-boggling... that there's 45 million songs on iTunes, or that they can store them all on something the size of a quarter.

    Achal and his team demoed the technology by creating a 192-bit cell, which they used to store a simple rendition of the Super Mario Bros video game theme song.

    Call me naive, but how do you store the Super Mario Bros theme song in 192 bits? I guess you could make a 1-voice version and store the note and the duration in a few bits per note, giving you room for a few notes, but how "simple" is this rendition?

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  41. Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this has nothing on D-Wave. Whats the point.

  42. Improper calculation by GoRK · · Score: 1

    "100 times greater than Blu-Ray" is wildly incorrect. Blu-ray is about 12.5Gb per square inch; 1.2Pb would therefore be an areal density nearly 100,000 times greater than Blu-Ray.

  43. Hydrogen? Good luck with that by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    Last time I heard it's nearly impossible to contain hydrogen as it leaks almost through everything. Good luck reading your data years after it was stored.

  44. 128K VR PORN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody else said it so I'll say it: 128K resolution VR PORN

  45. Mind boggling? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Mind boggling, really? For me, 300 MPH is mind boggling... my mind would absolutely boggle if I could get up to that on the freeway. Mind boggling is really not a term that belongs in a Slashdot summary. It doesn't tell us much. Our minds are sufficiently boggled by matter travelling at relativistic speeds, thank you, could you please say it that way? Oh I forgot, the editor just cut and pasted this from the original article, which was aimed at knuckledraggers.

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    1. Re:Mind boggling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mind boggling is really not a term that belongs in a Slashdot summary.

      Funny that, it was not used in the summary of this article. Maybe the summary was edited, but I do not see the word "mind" or "boggling" in the summary. Maybe you are referring to the story two posts down from this one: https://science.slashdot.org/s...

      Anyways, who is the knuckledragger now?

    2. Re:Mind boggling? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Anyways, who is the knuckledragger now?

      You are, because anyone with hairless knuckles can see where the post was actually intended to be posted, and where it is now posted.

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    3. Re:Mind boggling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not the one who has issues with posting on the correct article. You really are a useless little cunt, aren't you.

    4. Re:Mind boggling? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Look in the mirror, what do you see, how much does it suck to be?.

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  46. Re: Soon?c by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

    Soon neans dont cut ouer funding plz we are realy close, yea right. Donkt get me wrong I supportbr&d but thair timfrwmes donâ(TM)t usualy agree whit my understanding of soon (this might be a personsl failing on my part, but i wish often used terms like thst could be more cleary deffined and universaly agreed upon , rhey could vary for different things but at least we would have a common refference)

  47. Does it bother nobody else by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    That 1.1PB != 138TB?

  48. Wanna bet? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    Announcing in Slashdot a technological breakthrough seems to be the death knell of said breakthrough. My expectation: it will amount to nothing. In a few months, everybody will have forgotten about it.

  49. Re: Soon?c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For fuck's sake. Proofread your posts and don't click submit until you have fixed the errors.

    Fucking dimwit!

  50. Form Factor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long will it be before a scanning tunneling microscope is small enough for Apple to solder to the motherboard of a Macbook Air?

  51. Relevant XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://xkcd.com/678/

  52. Canada, the next Silicon Valley by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like it or not, Canada is the next Silicon Valley and the United States is the next banana republic.

  53. scanning tunneling microscope by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

    Hey yeah, tiny. You only need one of these: http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/hist...

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  54. But did they demonstrate reading and writing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Without a scanning tunneling microscope?

  55. Half a nanometer? Check your math bruh by phaserbanks · · Score: 1

    Hydrogen Bohr radius is half an Angstrom.

    0.05 nanometers

  56. Questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How are they fixing the hydrogen atoms in place and stopping them from just leaking out? It's the smallest atom and has a tendency to slip through other materials, or react with them in unwanted ways.

    And could this technique be used to store large amounts of hydrogen in a stable way for use in a hydrogen fuel cell?

  57. On cue.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Researchers use a specific technique to store at incredible densities..

    Real world application.. zero.

    Do you see SanDisk making ssd chips using an electron microscope to place individual atoms?
    I'd be more interested in an article that's says "researchers perfect way to manufacture terabit density chips for 1 penny per terabit"

    Scaling mass production is a LOT harder than coming up with a new technique for increasing density.

  58. Nintendo lawsuit incomming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Researchers have committed copyright violation during research and Nintendo will likely sue the help out of them for their trouble.