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Netflix Eats Up 15% of All Internet Downstream Traffic Worldwide, Study Finds (variety.com)

When it comes to devouring bandwidth online, no company can hold a candle to Netflix. From a report: Netflix remains the 800-pound gorilla of the streaming world: Video from the service consumes a significant 15% of all internet bandwidth globally, the most of any single application. That's according to the latest Global Internet Phenomena Report from Sandvine, a vendor of bandwidth-management systems. Netflix was followed by HTTP media streams, representing 13.1% of all downstream traffic; YouTube (11.4%); web browsing (7.8%); and MPEG transport streams (4.4%). In the Americas, Netflix grabs an even bigger slice of the bandwidth pie, accounting for 19.1% of total downstream traffic. Here's an interesting wrinkle: In this Americas, Amazon Prime Video consumes more data (7.7% of downstream traffic) than YouTube (7.5%), per Sandvine. During peak evening hours, Netflix usage can spike as high as 40% of all downstream traffic on some wireline operator networks in the Americas, per the study, which remains consistent with past studies Sandvine has conducted. Further reading: File-sharing Site Openload Generates More Traffic Than Hulu or HBO Go, and the source study: Sandvine.

147 comments

  1. Good thing everyone pays! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    The ISP customers pay for receiving said bandwidth, and Netflix pays for sending said bandwidth.

    Good thing we removed net neutrality though. Making things more expensive for consumers for no apparent gain is what conservatives do best.

    1. Re: Good thing everyone pays! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Consumers pay for all of it eventually, when Netflix passes along the costs in the form of higher prices. Republicans care far more about shareholders and corporate profits than about consumers and the general public.

    2. Re:Good thing everyone pays! by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 2

      One amendment - you mean republicans. Not everyone who you might label conservative is against net neutrality just like not everyone you might label liberal is not for it.

      As a rule however, republicans are all about letting 'business owners' maximize profit and the expense of consumers on the tired and self serving assumption that ANYTHING that is good for business is always good for consumers.

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    3. Re:Good thing everyone pays! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if conservatives actually spoke out against republicans, then fine, but it's not like they do. Conservatives aren't clamouring over each other to apologise for Republican party much the same way Muslims aren't apologising for ISIS which is what Conservatives demand of them so I demand Conservatives apologise for their extremist elements or they can fuck right off.

      Conservatism has been a plague on society.

    4. Re: Good thing everyone pays! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep in mind that Netflix does peer and also offers on prem cachers if the seeding: usage ratios make sense.

      So in reality, most ISP's aren't their paid upstream connections when their customers stream from Netflix and other content providers in general.

    5. Re:Good thing everyone pays! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could we find a way for consumers to charge netflix for bandwidth costs incurred as part of the viewing process?

    6. Re: Good thing everyone pays! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot.

      I pay my isp, and I pay Netflix. Why should I pay any more?

      Idiot

    7. Re: Good thing everyone pays! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in reality, most ISP's aren't their paid upstream connections when their customers stream from Netflix and other content providers in general.

      Their payment is being able to put off infrastructure improvements. In reality, Netflix putting a CDN in Comcast's network is win-win for both Netflix and Comcast, but shills like you always try to spin it as a lose for Comcast unless Netflix pays Comcast for the privilege of doing so.

    8. Re: Good thing everyone pays! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because nobody should have to subsidize your non-essential cable tv.

    9. Re: Good thing everyone pays! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What exactly is subsidised if I'm paying my ISP for internet access and I'm paying Netflix for a subscription?

      You're just a petulant farttart with nothing of value to contribute. You're why America sucks so much

    10. Re:Good thing everyone pays! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ISP customers pay for receiving said bandwidth, and Netflix pays for sending said bandwidth.

      Good thing we removed net neutrality though. Making things more expensive for consumers for no apparent gain is what conservatives do best.

      It is a good thing everyone pays for the bandwidth they're using. I pay extra for the higher speed and quota. That's how the world works, if you want something pay up. Also, it did not get more expensive when "net neutrality" was removed so you are a liar.

    11. Re:Good thing everyone pays! by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      I guess you've conveniently forgotten when Netflix increased their premiums for everyone three months after they lost the lawsuit with Comcast (about a month after a federal court suspended the FCC's net neutrality rules) and had make a deal to pay Comcast to stop throttling connections at the peering points.

      So yes, Netflix did get more expensive back in 2014 when net neutrality was suspended and the FCC stopped even pretending they were enforcing any of those rules.

    12. Re: Good thing everyone pays! by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Man I'm glad shitty internet is the reason "america" sucks so much. I figured it was the incarceration rate, or the murder rate, or the poverty.

    13. Re: Good thing everyone pays! by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      Because you consume more. And I do the same idiot. I know I use more bandwidth, I know that I should be charged. JUST LIKE ANY UTILITY on what I use.

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  2. Hold the phone! by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A popular internet service, that regularly broadcast High Definition video and audio, and has access to a good portion of data, is using a good portion of the bandwidth.

    Here is the thing. Netflix when it moved to streaming was smart enough to have good enough DRM, So content producers got comfortable with them broadcasting the data. It has become convenient enough that most people don't care and will download gigs of data over and over again.

    Now I know there is some devices that allows you to download shows and movies, but still we are just eating bandwidth.

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    1. Re:Hold the phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I estimate that my YouTube channel Eats Up 0.0001% of All Internet Downstream Traffic Worldwide and that's a pretty good start! :)

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    2. Re:Hold the phone! by lgw · · Score: 1

      Netflix has done amazing work to minimize the bandwidth they consume. I think they've re-encoded their entire library twice now.

      In this Americas, Amazon Prime Video consumes more data (7.7% of downstream traffic) than YouTube (7.5%), per Sandvine.

      I think that shows the difference it can make: YouTube video is also fairly well optimized, while I suspect Amazon just deoesn't care at this point, though they eventually will.

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    3. Re:Hold the phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If idiots like the MPAA finally figured out that DRM hurts them in the long run, then Netflix could have designed their infrastructure around p2p rather than individual streams. If each device cached and shared a few GB of content, the bandwidth load would be significantly reduced. You could even have dedicated local caches by simply including a few hundred GB of disk in the typical living room Netflix box. Have it pre-cache shows you're actively engaged in watching and suddenly having a spotty network or low bandwidth connection hurts a lot less.

      A man can dream...

    4. Re:Hold the phone! by mikael · · Score: 1

      It's probably more efficient to have each ISP cache the most popular streams locally at the head-end of the cable network than it is to have a distributed p2p network that sends chunks from dozens of other remote PC's.

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    5. Re:Hold the phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix has this thing called a "Edge box" that they can put at large ISPs and other locations that has a lot of the content locally, and they just need to stream it once to get it down to that edge server. =) So it is almost as good as p2p. As you are rarely downloading from them, but either from Level3 or your local large ISP.

    6. Re:Hold the phone! by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      My ISP has one and it's great. I get a 2ms ping to "netflix" and fast.com shows I get 930Mbps downloads from that location.

    7. Re:Hold the phone! by nasch · · Score: 2

      Fortunately it's a renewable resource.

    8. Re:Hold the phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, man. 2ms is pretty high /s

      I get a 3ms ping to a "local" Netflix CDN, but it's not inside my ISP. The CDN's inside my ISP are more like 0.14ms. Fast.com only shows 240Mb/s, but only 0-1ms of bloat. My 250Mb/s connection sucks compared to your 1Gb.

    9. Re:Hold the phone! by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      Hmm i can't seem to get any ping times that fast.

      Even ssh'd into my router, the best I can get is an average ping time of 1.8mS to the netflix oca, it's about the fastest thing i can find to ping anywhere. It's even a full millisecond faster than my isps own website.

  3. This is a little surprising by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

    Netflix has a lot of cash. They'll usually stop by your local ISP and offer them a big DVR along with money to pay for the electricity.

    1. Re:This is a little surprising by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      Isn't this what net-neutrality was supposed to prevent?

  4. Wrong by sobachatina · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uh no. The title must have been phrased by the anti net neutrality crowd.

    Actually, Netflix doesn't consume a single byte of downstream traffic. They don't pay for it, they don't consume it.

    ISP customers choose to consume the downstream bandwidth that they already paid for by ordering data from Netflix. If the ISPs can't provide the downstream bandwidth that they have *already sold* to their customers then they should face consequences and not try to double charge and extort other companies.

    1. Re: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're forgetting that the content from Netflix has to travel upstream from their servers for the other half of the trip

    2. Re: Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. For the vast majority of ISPs, Netflix has their servers sitting on the ISPs internal network. There isn't really any "upstream" in that case

    3. Re: Wrong by DaveSewhuk · · Score: 1

      With CDNs they only need to feed a more locally hosted "big DVRs" within the ISP infrastructure once. Problem is the ISP people won't let them do this an only want to charge Netflix to receive said data multiple times instead of the once to cache the "big DVR."

    4. Re:Wrong by Miser · · Score: 1

      ... and to add to your post, is that ALL downstream data or just localized to the ISP downstream data? (to say nothing of Netflix installed-in-the-ISP "cache boxes" or CDNs or whatever they are being called today.)

    5. Re: Wrong by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      Not the history. Netflix wanted the rack space for _free_.

      When that didn't work, they started bitching about network neutrality.

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    6. Re:Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1000000000X this.

      Fuck you slashdot editors for being anti-consumer anti-net neutrality.

    7. Re: Wrong by F.Ultra · · Score: 2

      Well it's not strange that they wanted the rack space for free since they #1 provided the cache servers to the ISP:s for free and #2 having a local cache helps the ISP massively since the no longer have to peer all that traffic.

  5. Correction... by The+Faywood+Assassin · · Score: 1

    15% of All Internet Downstream Traffic Worldwide Is Used For Watching Netflix

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    1. Re:Correction... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      15% of All Internet Downstream Traffic Worldwide Is Used For Watching Netflix

      With 80% for porn and 5% for everything else.

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    2. Re:Correction... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I use Netflix to watch content I already own, to lazy to get up and change a DVD. So I am swapping internet traffic for lounge room traffic ;D. I also have bought a game on steam because it was really cheap and I couldn't be bothered looking for the DVD, yeah it was worth $2.

      Then again that is what the internet is all about, altered flows of information, from having to travel, via car to the store to buy, what was delivered by truck, from the warehouse, which received it by truck and from their well, planes, trains and ships.

      So how much is Netflix saving in terms of resource spending. Higher bandwidth is better for the planet but old supply routes will suffer. It is only the infinite greed of the old network companies seeking to become internet publishers. They want to take over the roles of Apple et al, as internet publishers so the Network companies want 30% of all revenue, going across their networks and they need to strangle of data flow to get it, hence the end of network neutrality, which of course will affect the profitability of all other companies ie robbing the 99.999% to pay the 0.001%.

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  6. Downstream of the cache by DrYak · · Score: 2

    They'll usually stop by your local ISP and offer them a big DVR along with money to pay for the electricity.

    if I read correctly excerpts like this one :

    During peak evening hours, Netflix usage can spike as high as 40% of all downstream traffic on some wireline operator networks in the Americas

    The stat reported by the study are downstream of the "big DVR" cache-server that Netflix collos at the ISP's data center.
    It's bandwidth consumed on the network between ISP and clients.
    It's "big DVR to Android app" bandwidth.

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  7. Dump them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dumped Netflix. Felt great.

    1. Re:Dump them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took a dump. Felt great too.

  8. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's what the people want.
    The people pay for it.
    All costs are past down to the consumer.

    1. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Build more infrastructure, progress progress progress

    2. Re: Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorporate spelling and grammar checkers into Slashdot? Past instead of passed? Really? What do you think this is, second grade?

    3. Re: Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just laziness and a touch of dyslexia, 2nd grade was 60 years ago :/

  9. Guess what? Internet is more expensive than sold. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All this means is that you and your ISP have a disagreement about the service that is being bought/sold.

    The water company tells you that you should be getting pressure X and flow-rate Y. Well, what if everyone just leaves their faucets and showers running non-stop? You ain't gonna get X and Y.

    Was the water company lying? No. They didn't build infrastructure for that scenario.

  10. guess I thought wrong by renegade600 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    thought it would be pornhub that would eat up most of the bandwidth :-)

    1. Re:guess I thought wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      thought it would be pornhub that would eat up most of the bandwidth :-)

      I believe I saw a stat once that the average session at Porn Hub is something like 10 minutes, so that limits the impact somewhat. ;-)

      Hell, the middle 10-12 minutes of most porn scenes just gets tedious and people just fast forward to the money shot anyway, or so I'm told. :-P

  11. Actually, no : it might be cached by DrYak · · Score: 1

    You're forgetting that the content from Netflix has to travel upstream from their servers for the other half of the trip

    Actually no, it doesn't necessarily need to travel up.
    As pointed by other threads discussing this /. entry :
    Netflix usually sets up giant caches at ISP (that both saves Netflix and ISP's upstream connection bandwith, and also increases quality and decreases latency for clients).
    So, sometimes (when you're watching something popular), the movie is streamed directly from the Netflix's caching server hosted in the ISP's datacenter to you Netflix app, without anything else happening on the wider internet.

    The only bandwidth ever consumer in these case is literally the one you're paying for your connection.

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  12. Re:Too Cheap, Need More Control by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    0. I already pay fees. Just say I need to pay more, because, well, I'm actually using it?

    1. Distance fee? From where to where? I know, that's obvious. So do I pay for the trip from the content provider's servers to my device, and what if it's poorly routed? On purpose? Or were you thinking RFC1149 distance?

    2, 3. QoS is a thing. We have to pay more for a better QoS? Why not discount those who don't need so much, like email users...

    4,5. Um now we're redesigning TCP, swell, What could go wrong with this?

    6. Hop counts, sure. Not like even that minimal overhead will cause problems.

    I'm still convinced that first, ISPs that also have competing businesses (Cable cos for instance) have a significant incentive to not treat Netflix and other similar providers 'fairly', or even 'well'; second, all ISPs have incentives to charge as much as they can for whatever they can, so competition is the only answer; and lastly, where other wireless solutions were flawed, Band 71 has some potential. This will be interesting to see how the rollout is received, once it's conquered rural areas, the fight for urban business will be brutal.

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  13. How about Windows 10 updates? by xack · · Score: 1

    700 million x 4GB downloads every six months plus patch tuesdays in between.

    1. Re:How about Windows 10 updates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      same as mentioned above with netflix.. almost all the big corporations /large software packages, they all use CDN/localized caching.. so it's not transversing the whole internet from a single source.
      Alternative? Don't patch.. your game of chance..

  14. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    Nahh, it is creimer that posts APK stuff when he starts losing it!

  15. Re:Guess what? Internet is more expensive than sol by XXongo · · Score: 1

    The water company tells you that you should be getting pressure X and flow-rate Y. Well, what if everyone just leaves their faucets and showers running non-stop? You ain't gonna get X and Y. Was the water company lying? No. They didn't build infrastructure for that scenario.

    If the water company promises X pressure and Y flow rate, and you don't receive it, then yes, the water company is not delivering their promise.

  16. Not just Netflix by sherms · · Score: 1

    Even though Netflix is at 15%, compared to Hulu, CBS, ETC. They all send the data.. I Pay for my bandwidth to use as I please.

  17. Shocking by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    Shocking I say.

    1) Netflix is the most popular streaming service

    and

    2) It's video which, by default, is very bandwidth hungry especially at
    HD and above resolutions.

    Add those together and the headline shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

    1. Re:Shocking by doom · · Score: 1

      It came as I surprise to me. I would've figured more like 50 percent.

  18. Does this include On Demand cable services? by Atlantix · · Score: 1

    I wonder whether these stats include the On Demand services available from the cable companies? My Comcast TV service (live and/or on demand) is clearly internet based but are they counting that usage as internet bandwidth?

    1. Re:Does this include On Demand cable services? by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      No. It might be IP based, but it's not "The Internet" in the sens that it only works on Comcast's private network.

  19. But I thought BSD was dead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix streams all of their content from a FreeBSD + nginx stack. No idea why they chose that over Linux, but it seems to be working out for them.

    1. Re:But I thought BSD was dead? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1
  20. Re:Guess what? Internet is more expensive than sol by Mr307 · · Score: 0

    Its a moving target, NN doesn't allow for the next big thing, let alone however many other factors that determine usage.

    Tomorrow SuperNetflix will start up and offer 8K video DIRECT TO YOUR REFRIGERATOR, using 95% of all bandwidth everywhere and somehow its going to all be the ISP and trunking operators faults because they can't magically meet the new demand and or renegotiate their deals because all traffic has to be treated equally.

    Therefore all the base prices rise equally, and the biggest operators pay very much similar rates to the smaller operators if not the same rates, creating some level of a barrier to entry for the smaller operators.

    So the prediction would be that with highly restrictive 'Net neutrality' in place that new construction of high speed trunking will stagnate or decline over time vs the opposite.

    I'm sure there are some studies out there to cover this, but I have to go to work and can't do the research now.

  21. So the issue is fraud, not "neutrality". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As usual, government bureaucrats are promising fantasies to their constituents.

    Either the water company must make expensive improvements to their infrastructure, a cost borne by its customers, or the water company can say "Sorry. Usage was not what we expected; we can't offer what we thought."

    Speaking of covering the costs of infrastructure improvements: Who should pay? Should people who are engaged in video conference calls for humanitarian work pay as much as people who binge on PornHub videos? When Netflix or YouTube integrates a server into an ISPs last-mile infrastructure, who should have authority over that infrastructure or its tuning?

    There's only one humane way to answer such questions: Voluntary trade, not the dictates of vote-buying bureaucrats.

    1. Re:So the issue is fraud, not "neutrality". by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 3

      The ISPs are not helpless. They are not surprised. They understand the trends year to year, and have many options for corrective action. No one is putting a gun to the head of the CEO of the ISP and forcing them to sell what they cannot provide.

      Without the conviction to demand all actors to tell the truth, libertarianism is complete bullshit.

    2. Re:So the issue is fraud, not "neutrality". by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      Yes, but they should be able to bill some or all of the data usage osts related to the humanitarian work to the organization they do the conference for. If the isp starts charging differently depending on 3.d party service consuming the data we open a whole can of worms.

  22. lolwut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean to tell me that consumers who are paying their ISPs for bandwidth are using the bandwidth they are paying for to visit a popular internet site? What's the next story, that 90% of cookies purchased are eaten?

  23. Re:Too Cheap, Need More Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. You simply pay the fee, it's that simple!

    2. You simply pay the fee, it's that simple!

    3. You simply pay the fee, it's that simple!

    4. You simply pay the fee, it's that simple!

    5.You simply pay the fee, it's that simple!

    6. You simply pay the fee, it's that simple!

    You don't need to know what the fees are, you just pay them. Or you can design your own network infrastructure. You already do it for phones, do it for the internet!

  24. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duh

  25. Re:Too Cheap, Need More Control by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why not discount those who don't need so much, like email users

    Because it costs the same to roll a truck to fix a last mile connectivity issue, no matter whether a particular subscriber's usage is heavy or light.

  26. Conservation by Comboman · · Score: 4, Funny

    we need to bring back some small fees to encourage conservation.

    That's why I always use extra small fonts in my emails to conserve bandwidth.

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    1. Re:Conservation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And only use semicolons

      http://dilbert.com/strip/1996-08-20

  27. P0rn on Netflix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when?

  28. Perhaps they should go solar as well? by supremebob · · Score: 1

    Perhaps Netflix should follow the example of the Slashdot story right above it, and run their servers on solar power as well?

    I'm not sure if Amazon is going to like that plan, though, considering that AWS hosts most of the Netflix Infrastructure.

    But, hey... Google and Facebook are going the renewable route as well for their data centers, so some fellow hosting platform peer pressure might not hurt.

  29. first to pay twice for internet usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Gathering the evidence for who to shake down.

    Consumers already pay for this bandwidth.

  30. Re:Guess what? Internet is more expensive than sol by mikael · · Score: 1

    Then customers starts getting booster pumps that suck out the required pressure X and flow-rate Y from the water mains. That causes other people to lose pressure and flow rate so they too get booster pumps. Then everyone has booster pumps and their water flow is back where they started.

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  31. So... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    About the same amount of traffic as PornHub, then?

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  32. So what by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Bandwidth is supposed to be used by people. That's the point of having it.

    If one service takes a significant portion of the pie, then our infrastructure is at fault.

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    1. Re:So what by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      So are you saying that it's not people that are downloading the data from Netflix to their computers/televisions?

    2. Re:So what by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      You may wish to read the article more carefully, or go straight to the Sandvine blog. From a engineering perspective it's certainly interesting. But in terms of assigning blame as the tone of a Variety article it's a pretty useless factoid.

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  33. What about their local caches? by schweini · · Score: 1

    Netflix seems to be giving away their OpenConnect cache servers to ISPs in order to decrease internet traffic, and since these are a win-win for Netflix and the ISP, I would think that many ISPs use them.
    I wonder if these numbers reflect that?

  34. RFC Citation Needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which IETF document covers this 'ordering data from Netflix' in the IPv4 or IPv6 documents?

    It doesn't exist. You're making up human concepts and thinking they reflect the underlying economics of IP.

    1. Re:RFC Citation Needed by F.Ultra · · Score: 2

      You can begin by reading RFC 2616 and then perhaps you might understand what will happen when you issue a GET request on a server and in which direction the data will flow.

  35. What about upstream? by aglider · · Score: 1

    Really!

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    Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
  36. APK likes trucker dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shut-up APK. We know it is you that posts that antisemitic shit. You keep getting destroyed and can't backup anything you say so instead you pretend there is anonymous support for you that happens to be written in your exact style, language, and grammar. I see you still haven't finished raging out on c6gunner, but maybe it is khyber, arth1, Zontar The Mindless, Ol Olsoc , or one of the other near countless people you stalk that is doing it. Now why don't you go get ready for your shift at the glory hole in Pilot Travel Center off of I81 near your house so the truckers can dump their loads in your soyboy ass.

    1. Re:APK likes trucker dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some "proof". Mere speculation to frame him is more like it. Show us solid proof. You have none. Apk had proof he destroyed you c6gunner https://science.slashdot.org/c...

    2. Re:APK likes trucker dick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      c6gunner destroyed himself caught impersonating apk, twisting slashdot users words in his forgetting to troll by ac. Explains who is trolling apk right there (c6gunner) with proof.

  37. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could you do us all a favor and hook up with APK so that the 2 of you can take turns fucking each other in the ass instead of the both of you spamming slashdot?

  38. and pornhub is how much? by darth_borehd · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing 80%. They rest are cat videos.

  39. APK caught posting fake AC support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK caught posting fake AC support and talking to himself.

    Your software is just crap - written in crayon, fictional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine as a punchline to a joke by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is fucking insane - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts "program" is actually a broken batch file by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to be a laughingstock while consuming excessive amounts of alcohol by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your tinfoil hat by Karmashock September 09 2015

    that APK nut, I can't get him to stop talking about his piece of shit file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    APK

    P.S.=> When YOU do better than THAT by our /. registered peers, then talk (from behind your FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIE of a "so-called" WASTED life) - ok? apk

    1. Re:APK caught posting fake AC support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude! He smoked you drowning you in evidence that put your maneur into a toilet where it belongs here https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... all his stuff checks out. Your lies don't. No wonder you troll him by unidentifiable anonymous posts. You are a do nothing nobody he called you and you know it Jealous JOWIE. Yes I love when apk calls you that. It's true and makes me laugh at you.

    2. Re:APK caught posting fake AC support by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      have you ever notices youre one of the few people that link a slashdot article or CID to every few posts you put out. We all know youre crazy and well.. its getting old cause most of the time when someone says something about it... you just end up going super crazy and blatantly posting as you while trying to post as other "AC". Im just sayin man.. you really need to evaluate yourself.

  40. Bitcoin,Streaming=Chink Plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep on wasting all those natural resources on entertainment Amerikuks, youll be so happy to be poor when the Chinks invade California.

  41. Nope. History provides enough Truth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Capitalism is an iterative process; it doesn't require full disclosure or angelic behavior; capitalism doesn't even require competence—it is enough to run the experiment and let the world react evolutionarily, by variation (e.g., supplier competition) and selection (e.g., consumer choice). This is in stark contrast to central planning by know-nothing, paper-pushing bureaucrats; even if you do get a group of Dear Leaders, that group is merely transient. In this Universe, no system of sufficient complexity ever last long unless it was tapped into evolution by variation and selection, the most humane form of which is a market of voluntary trade (including a market on the enforcement of contracts).

    Libertarianism is a set of universal principles; authoritarian is the lack of universal principles. The Free Market is a long-term societal process that is aligned with universal principles.

    1. Re:Nope. History provides enough Truth. by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      Bringing in perfection and "angelic" behavior into the discussion is a Straw Man.

      Libertarianism is a set of universal principles; authoritarian is the lack of universal principles. The Free Market is a long-term societal process that is aligned with universal principles.

      The Free Market is built on the idea that it is possible to apply human volition to create agreements, agreements that may be imperfect, but are usually "understandable enough" by two or more human minds. In our modern society, these agreements are contracts. Contracts expected to be enforceable by courts of law applying understandable concepts about contract law. The cornerstone of contract law is "the meeting of minds", and that is a logically necessary concept due the natural imperfections of human language and communication.

      Without the willingness to enforce a certain degree of honesty by the force of law, we have no expectation of "the meeting of minds", we have no contracts, we have no expectations of anything, and the Free Market is indistinguishable from "the lack of universal principles" because what actually happens in the economy devolves down to power.

      In the scenario on hand, the ISPs know perfectly well how likely it is for them to be able to fulfill their contracts, because that knowledge is necessity for even a basic level of competence in network management. IMNSHO simply accepting an excuse like "Oh, I was surprised! Netflix ate my homework" as a reason for breaking a contract is indistinguishable from accepting that any lie as sufficient reason to break any contract at any time. Under such conditions the Free Market is no less mythological than unicorns and leprachauns.

  42. That assumes the supply can take it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who says there's enough water? Even if there were, who says the existing supply infrastructure can handle that kind of flow?

    I swear. How do you people make it through life?

  43. The only thing APK hates more is the truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only think Alexander Peter Kowalski hates more than the Jews is when people tell the truth about him and his lies.
    Like how he claims the Chinese copied him but can't produce any evidence.
    How about when he states that hosts does port filtering but again can't backup his statement which was shown to be false.
    There is also his list of "experts" who support him but it turns out they don't say what he is claiming.
    This also ignores his out of context quotes he uses to lie by omission.
    The problem with APK is that his entire reputation is built upon the lie he told years ago that hosts is an effective security solution. It has been exposed numerous times as being a lie and when exposed APK fails to argue logically and instead will try to deflect criticism, change the subject, move the goal posts, return to a previously disproved statement, demand you prove you did better than his file concatenator, or just call people names. Expect that he will used these tactics to try to deflect from these criticisms. He will continue to lie by stating that he won or "dusted" you while failing to refute anything you said, will never provide real evidence, and generally try to dodge the issue.

    Face it APK is one of the most detested individuals here for good reason. When ever his poor behavior, awful logic, over statements, and horrendous writing are called out he has a fit and has done so for years across the internet. He is a spammer, and is an abusive insecure little man who is washed up and never amounted to anything. Until he produces actual verifiable facts supporting his case, which he can't, nothing he says should be taken seriously.

  44. 2 questions & China... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & 2 questions you won't answer: 1.) Do hosts stop threats served by hostname (the way threats are done most) by blocking them? Yes. 2.) Do hosts speed you up 2 ways in adblocking (preventing more infection/tracking/slowdown) & via hardcoded favorite sites resolving faster + protecting vs. dns down or redirect poisoned? Yes.

    My hosts program's the only 1 that does the latter @ TOP of hosts cached in RAM (for best performance) & only 1 of its kind on Linux/BSD in easy to use flexible configuration GUI form.

    (I also did that latter part LONG before the Chinese & 1st http://theregister.co.uk/2017/... )

    APK

    P.S.-> Have you done work that's that effective doing more for less faster in kernelmode speed (cpu priority) w/ less complexity for exploit + excess overheads vs. solutions KNOWN to be security-issue riddled (like addons (souled-out to NOT work by default OR easily detected & blocked that are BYPASSABLE & EXPLOITABLE), DNS & Antivirus)? No... apk

  45. Security pros QUOTED on hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "classic Windows hosts trick to block the Coinhive or Crypto-Loot domains" - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/a-new-player-joins-coinhive-on-the-browser-cryptojacking-scene/ - BLEEPING COMPUTER

    ZD NET http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/ "Hosts files really shine by letting you block ads, spyware sites, malware sites, & tracking sites"

    SANS ("A related approach to the DNS issue is to create a hosts file on each system that sends requests for spyware to some place else. Both Ramu and an anonymous reader have suggested this" hosts by myself & RAMU right @ START of "malware explosion" mid 2005 on) https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di...

    Aryeh Goretsky/ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7442373&cid=49747129/

    Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS) http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/491/

    APK

    P.S.=> See subject: They ALL praise hosts for BOTH added SPEED & SECURITY... apk

  46. Hosts efficacy recently (partial only) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's working: Neville... it's working!" See subject & results from THIS past month alone https://it.slashdot.org/commen... & https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... + https://it.slashdot.org/commen... https://it.slashdot.org/commen... that's only recently while I've been on Linux (few months now only) & 100's of times vs. MANY other botnets/malwares etc. in the past circa 2006-early 2018 while I was on Windows: CONCRETE VISIBLE UNDENIABLE REALITY (see those links as proof).

    P.S.=> ... & that's ONLY what /. reported on (there are FAR more)... apk

  47. On ArseHoleTechnica by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arstechnica = losers who stalked me (as you do now anonymously unidentifiably) to NTCompatible.com & Windows IT Pro magazine forums to their public dismay in Jeremy Reimer & Jay Little + Jarrett DeAngelis (who posts here on /. until I drove his ass off too) when their websites were REMOVED by their hosting providers in Shaw Canada & CrystalTech (for both email harassing me caught on a tracking ticket + stalking me & posting lies about me on them).

    Right AFTER I destroyed them both PUBLICLY @ Windows IT Pro on Exchange Servers memory being freed UNHALTING them (which tells you Exchange is HEAVILY POINTER ORIENTED linked list driven, which leads to memory fragmentation that CAN halt a serverware).

    Jay Little the "self-proclaimed 'EXCHANGE EXPERT'" HAD TO CONCEDE IT from MICROSOFT'S OWN DOCUMENTATION proving it FOR me there (where they as usual stalked me AS YOU ARE NOW)

    Peter Bright/Dr. Pizza (alias GOITERMAN, lol) can tell you what happened to his IRC server after that (lol).

    "The great arseHOLEtechnica" (not) RUN OUT of their own server chatrooms hahaha (by "yours truly").

    In effete retaliation they edited my posts & impersonated me on their little private playpen of UNDERACHIEVER losers.

    APK

    P.S.=> ABOVE ALL ELSE: Thanks for outing yourself as 1 of the "few, the defeated" from arseHOLEtechnica - always a pleasure exposing your lame asses (that are nothing more than do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-wells" THAT CAN'T STAND THEMSELVES for it (lol, no shit) & that you are REDUCED to STALKING ME by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous too... lmao!)... apk

  48. On Thor SCHMUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask him WHY his false accusation of an old ware of mine was 1st taken down to NO threat & CA sold off the SHITTY antivir he sold (as a paid pawn of theirs) & they are GONE, done. dead... lol!

    Lookup "CA Accounting Scandal" on Google - scumbags & THEIR BIRDS OF A FEATHER just go down vs. me everytime!

    APK

    P.S.=> He's nothing but a BLOATED FAT pig of a lying LOSER from podunk idaho... apk

  49. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #1/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg September 25 2015

    I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

    that APK guy, I use his host file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

    I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

    * SEE SUBJECT & TELL US: How does EATING YOUR WORDS taste?

    APK

    P.S.=> You're already VASTLY OUTNUMBERED but many more are coming

  50. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #2/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk has the answer for that - really... kill automatic updates by adding a hosts file entry setting updates.steam.com or whatever to 127.0.0.1. You have to find the right hostname for each software you want to block updates on by raymorris (2726007) on Friday July 06, 2018

    APK your posts on this and the hosts file posts, and more, have never been in error and/or bad advice by BlueStrat (756137) on Wednesday June 21, 2017

    I support APK's stand on the hosts file and can't see why it's not used more than it is. My hosts file is 144247 lines long (4,332 Kb) it & a firewall serves me very well - by Trax3001BBS (2368736)

    ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything APK reminds us about fast turtle September 17 2013

    You need APK's hosts file - by Teun (17872) on Wednesday August 06, 2014

    APK

    P.S.=> You EATING YOUR WORDS != GOOD NUTRITION... apk

  51. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #3/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK solution STILL relevant Thud457 June 11 2015

    Actually, APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience in this context. Of course, your phone has to be rooted, which isn't the case with Firefox + adblock." - by chihowa on Saturday May 16, 2015

    In a footnote, I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015

    APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment - by Culture20 on Thursday November 17

    you're right about hosts files - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26

    APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop - by nasredin (958927) on Friday June 12, 2015 @03:34PM

    APK

    P.S.=> Are you ENJOYING the taste of EATING YOUR WORDS yet?... apk

  52. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #4/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I say the following as a caring human being who agrees with how useful HOSTS files are: Your zeal is to be respected - by dave420 (699308) on Monday September 08, 2014

    But I love APK!The power of the hostfile compels you! by ratboy666 (104074) on Friday January 29, 2016

    APK was right all along! C:\WINDOWS\HOSTS is the solution ;) - by sabri (584428) on Friday October 21, 2016

    No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free. - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    I'm a fan of apk. Yes he trolls, but he only trolls where it's contextually appropriate. I respect that - by Noah Haders (3621429) on Wednesday July 29, 2015

    APK

    P.S.=> Your words YOU'RE EATING: You choking on them yet?... apk

  53. Who needs that fix more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't mind waiting a week to receive an email from my long-distance chess opponent.

    However, what are you going to do for a whole week in your mother's basement? You want it fixed faster? YOU pay for it.

    1. Re:Who needs that fix more? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember that one time you call your ISP to find out if there was a cheaper tier? Yeah, that one call cost the ISP more money than the bandwidth for a decade of Netflix video streaming. Remember that one time you saw a commercial. That one commercial is equal to the cost of a life time of bandwidth for thousands of customers.

      Why is everyone so bent out shape about conserving bandwidth. It's an infinite resource that we can make more of on demand and is getting exponentially cheaper and has increased 1000x in the past 5 years. Bandwidth is supply vastly outpacing demand. None of the big players pay for bandwidth, they pay for connections and each connection could trivially have terabits/s of bandwidth.

      The market that uses bandwidth is trillions per year. The one-time capital cost for all of the infrastructure is a measly $150 bil. How can companies charge so much for "bandwidth"? They really don't. They charge for SLAs, support, and those damned commercials you hate watching so they can attract new customers. It comes down to this. Would you like a 100Mb connection for $3,000/m or a 100Gb connection for $6,000/m. Twice the price for 1,000x the bandwidth? Yeah.. pretty much. Bandwidth is cheap, support is not.

      Of course the world is not so simple to add bandwidth with a flick of a switch. It does take planning and research to figure out how to deliver the bandwidth. Not all routes through the internet can support ridiculous amounts of bandwidth. It's not to say that they can't, but we can just have companies running around willy-nilly throwing money and resources at an arbitrary choke point. It's an iterative process that takes time. Bottle necks shift around, routes change. It's this process that takes time that "limits" the effective bandwidth for any given route. If an ISP so wanted, they could focus their resources on a single point and make it be future proof for years to come. It's not that they can't do it, it's that the planning would consume too much time that could be better spent else-where.

      Ignoring any greed or incompetence, the biggest drag that is preventing the ideal utopia of fast cheap internet is the complexity of current networks. So many routes caused by a mixture of organic growth and business red-tape. Many networks are starting to flatten and simplify. In doing so, less time needs to be spent trying to figure out the ramifications of upgrading a specific link. Many ISPs are flattening their internal networks and doing a lot more direct peering, using a regional IX, or installing local CDNs. Very little planning needs to happen with these setups. CDN server overloaded? Add another. Link to the IX getting close to capacity? Upgrade the line-cards.

      I heard that upwards of 99% of an ISP's bandwidth consumption can be handled by content networks wanting to freely peer directly or via an IX, or install a CDN appliance. Transit networks no longer need to worry about connecting directly, they can also connect at a local IX. An ISP can get nearly everything they want via leasing a bit of dark fiber and a connection to an IX. Of course there are other things they need to worry about, like wanting SLAs, so they still want direct connections to a transit provider. We're slowly moving away from haphazard network topologies to a more hub and spoke. Of course a given spoke can connect to more than one hub.

  54. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #5/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works. - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015

    get around to 'installing' a hosts file list, not sure which one, likely the one from someonewhocares.org. If it works as well as what I used for a while about ten years ago, I'll be happy. And grateful to APK for the lesson and the reminder. - by kermidge (2221646) on Wednesday March 27

    I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster. - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17

    dammit MS, you proved APK right about something by lgw

    APK

    P.S.=> You still haven't said how EATING YOUR WORDS tastes? apk

  55. Registered /.ers disagree w/ you #6/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the Host File Engine performs exactly as promised - by mmell (832646) on Thursday February 16, 2017

    (APK) is still right a hosts file really does work. It even blocked a some of the video ads that were inserted into a stream OrangeTide February 10 2016

    I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697) on Thursday February 11, 2016 @06:48PM (#51491263)

    APK

    P.S.=> YOU'RE OUTNUMBERED DOZENS TO 1 - toss on 100,000++ users of my program worldwide too & SEE SUBJECT: JUST FOR "GOOD MEASURE"... apk

  56. Hey, do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" JEALOUS Jowie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was a PLEASURE making you EAT YOUR WORDS vs. my evidences that put you away here https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

    * NO WONDER YOU STALK ME BY UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS POSTS - you can't STAND BEHIND YOUR LIES!

    APK

    P.S.=> You lose AGAIN, loser (but I suppose "your kind" (lol, see subject) is USED to that in your WASTED lazy "ne'er-do-well" do-NOTHING OF VALUE to others life)... apk

  57. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you're not the one with the 45 logins? The several blogs, the documented paranoid meltdown about Slashdot

    https://www.kickingthebitbucke...

    That's not you?

  58. Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I'm not gay (you looking for a date? Wrong door here). I don't hate jews. I pity 'em causing problems for themselves based on what I've read here in other posts like this one https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... .

    I never said "hosts are the solution to everything" (nothing is).

    HOWEVER: I DO say hosts do MORE for FAR LESS vs. all else full of security issues (DNS/Antivirus) OR 'souled-out' to NOT WORK (adblock) MINUS all their usermode messagepassing overhead clot & hosts give you more SPEED (others slow you), SECURITY + RELIABILITY & ANONMITY natively in kernelmode speed (more cpu priority vs. usermode) vs. "Bolt-on-'MoAr'" ILLOGIC-LOGIC.

    c6gunner's IMPERSONATING me & I did the job on you SO WELL you RAN AFTER YOU "started up" w/ me https://science.slashdot.org/c...

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly - I see you had to try "downmod hide" evidence I used that destroyed you via VERIFIABLE facts https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

  59. Powered by FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quite impressive when you think the Netflix openConnect appliance is the basis for their CDN.

  60. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    My question is..
    Do you TALK like THIS all the TIME or only when YOU'RE MAD at some PERSON that for some REASON made you like THIS & is this something you LET YOUR "FAMILY" know about(serious you sound CRAZY & "InSaNe" and normally ILloGICalill!)

    seriously though, you need to go outside more.

  61. Re:Guess what? Internet is more expensive than sol by dryeo · · Score: 1

    All this means is that you and your ISP have a disagreement about the service that is being bought/sold.

    The water company tells you that you should be getting pressure X and flow-rate Y. Well, what if everyone just leaves their faucets and showers running non-stop? You ain't gonna get X and Y.

    Was the water company lying? No. They didn't build infrastructure for that scenario.

    That's why the water company is putting meters on peoples water connections and charging them per liter (or gallon).
    Same thing would work with the internet but ISP's want to claim unlimited data that they can't deliver.

    --
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
  62. Re:Guess what? Internet is more expensive than sol by dryeo · · Score: 1

    So the ISP just has to do what the water company does, charge per unit. $X for 100 GBs or such and the people using the most bandwidth can pay their fair share.
    The problem is they want to sell you what they don't have, unlimited data.

    --
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
  63. Re:Guess what? Internet is more expensive than sol by dryeo · · Score: 1

    Around here, the water company is putting meters on the water and making people pay for what they use. The odd person has had a nasty surprise due to their leaky pipes.
    ISP's could do the same if they're really worried about people using too much, but really it seems they want to censor.

    --
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
  64. Re:Hello universal bandwidth caps by dryeo · · Score: 1

    No, it'll lead to data quotas. If you want to stream 4k video all day, it'll cost more. Perhaps it'll be like electricity, where you pay by the GB or perhaps it'll be more like buy 100GBs at a time. It's one fair way to make people pay for resource usage. The problem is that ISP's want to lie and make claims that they can't meet.

    --
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
  65. Re:Too Cheap, Need More Control by nasch · · Score: 1

    You didn't provide anything to back up your assertion that internet access is too cheap. Why is it too cheap? What problems is this causing? And why are your suggestions the best solutions to these problems?

  66. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey Chris! How are you buddy?

    We told you to get Microsoft certifified, we already are!

    Also, I have noticed that the traffic went down on your channel as soon as you published your last video. I wonder why and how this can be possible? Is somebody intimidating your viewers? You should have a look into this....

    Do you have any idea?

    I find it sad, really sad and it seems bat shit crazy to me.

    Take care buddy!

  67. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, did you really gaslight the guy's videos with fake views?

  68. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  69. Re:Guess what? Internet is more expensive than sol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should people who use more data be the only ones to pair for their "fair share"? What about people who use tech support or non-customers who get free advertisements? The internet, which includes all of the hardware and the transit costs, represents about 1-2% of your bill. The other 98% of your bill is tech support, marketing, and sales.

    A one minute phone call to ask why you're getting buffering costs more than the dedicated bandwidth required to stream 1080p Netflix 24/7.

  70. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep 90% of his views since he created his channel are my click-bot and I also hit his Amazon spam links with Slashdot referrers since the beginning to make the big dummy look like a fool on Slashdot because his "data driven analyics" as he says told him plenty of stuff but he was "analyicing" click-bot views just look at threads on his /. cre1mer user page and look at his cdreimer twitter page were he talks about it to learn more.

    The big dummy thought that spamming slashdot was efficient but it has been proven a long time ago that it isn't. Believe me, I know!

    So the big dummy has wasted his time posting spam on Slashdot and making stupid videos.

    I will leave the click-bot off his links for a week or two and make a decision then depending on how he behaves.

    CROFLOL!

  71. LMAO! Says a FAKE NAME "ne'er-do-well" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LMAO! Says a FAKE NAME "ne'er-do-well" - @ least I don't "HIDE"
      behind some f'd up MADE UP NAME online like YOU chump!

    * Don't mind MY business - mind your own (of doing NOTHING of value & HIDING behind a FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIE of a WASTED life).

    APK

    P.S.=> Take your own advice + GO FUCK YOURSELF - ok? apk

  72. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is true! The parent poster even asked me and others to play all outraged about his spam on Slashdot to prank the poor sucker.

    In reality, very few of us really care about his stupid spam links on Slashdot but toying with him was quite a journey, reinventing ourselves in the process.

    But everything must come to an end at some point and now he knows it is true and realize that he has been pranked!

  73. So what ? by Kuruk · · Score: 1

    You buy bandwidth from your ISP. Then you use it.
    They should be glad the traffic is local and cacheable and not all from china.

  74. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True enough indeed, I knew about this too and I told him about this last year but he wouldn't believe me!

    Since I have no control over the click-bot, I couldn't prove to him it was true.

  75. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Screw you FCLM, I know it's you running clickbot on my channel!

    Sad, very sad, when are you gana get a life?

  76. Re:Sorry to disappoint you but... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now we know your double secret identity: Montreal_guy

  77. Re:Hello universal bandwidth caps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You paid for access to a shared resource that gets "up to" a certain speed to your modem depending on what everyone else is doing

    Not me. I pay $40 for 150/150 of dedicated bandwidth that my ISP says is guaranteed to always be at 100%, never "up to". Their network admin went so far as to say that they can handle all customers at 100% at the same time without congestion. Something about the slowest port is 100Gb and something else about terabits. Their network manager told me to try to find a way to legally use my dedicated connection because they don't care how much bandwidth I use. They're not a venture capital funded ISP, they're over 100 years old and locally owned. My ping to Chicago 300 miles away is lower than Charter's ping to their first hop.

    Not even an intro price. That was $20/m. No bundling, no contract, no install fee, hell no fees at all. What they advertise is exactly what you pay plus sales tax.