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Tech Groups Step Away From Gab Network After Shooting (ft.com)
Tech companies including PayPal and Stripe have suspended their services from Gab, a social network catering primarily to US conservatives that had been used by the man accused of killing 11 people in a Pittsburgh synagogue. From a report: The moves are likely to reopen the debate about the limits of free speech online and the potential for social networks to radicalise users. Gab was launched two years ago by tech entrepreneur Andrew Torba, who became frustrated with what he perceived as a bias against conservative views on California-based social networks such as Facebook and Twitter. His site soon attracted controversial rightwing figures, including Richard Spencer and Alex Jones, who had been suspended or banned from other social networks. Robert Bowers, who has been charged over the shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh on Saturday, was among Gab's hundreds of thousands of users, the company confirmed on Saturday. Mr Bowers, whose profile on Gab featured images of guns and white supremacist iconography, made anti-Semitic posts and threats on the site just hours before the shooting. Since Saturday's shooting, Gab has been accused of not doing enough to prevent free expression from tipping over into hate speech on its site.
Online payments companies PayPal and Stripe, as well as hosting provider Joyent, all said they would stop Gab from using their services, [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled, alternative source] citing violations of their terms of services, which do not allow hate speech. Gab slammed the moves as "direct collusion between big tech giants" against it. This weekend is not the first time that Gab has been sharply criticised for the content it hosts.Last year, after a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, Google removed Gab from Google Play, its mobile app store, claiming it violated its policy on hate speech.
Online payments companies PayPal and Stripe, as well as hosting provider Joyent, all said they would stop Gab from using their services, [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled, alternative source] citing violations of their terms of services, which do not allow hate speech. Gab slammed the moves as "direct collusion between big tech giants" against it. This weekend is not the first time that Gab has been sharply criticised for the content it hosts.Last year, after a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, Google removed Gab from Google Play, its mobile app store, claiming it violated its policy on hate speech.
See all the crap that gets posted here about hot grits and GNAA.
yeah social media made him do it, riiiight.
And it's Alex Jones supporters shooting up ghettos and committing half the violent crime in the nations. oh wait no, that's 2 demographic groups doing that and they vote Democrat.
sure, Alex Jone and co. are whackjobs but their followers are mostly harmless compared to savages I'm talking about....
The reason they haven't also banned Twitter is that Twitter has a policy of not allowing that kind of thing on its network. While it is far from perfect when it comes to implementing that policy, the issue with Gab is that it explicitly allows speech that Paypal does not.
I expect the other argument will be that Paypal should be neutral and just act as a payment processor, which is somewhat compelling because it would be pretty bad if banks started booting customers who said things they didn't like.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Says it all.
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/f...
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
Something happened as a god excuse to shutdown the remaining platforms before the election. The worst mistake made by the blog-o-sphere was consolidating into platforms that had a strong ideological bent and zero interest in free-speech.
These are all non-government corporations making these decisions. If Gab is free to conduct their service how they wish without government intervention, so is PayPal and Stripe. Simple as that.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Let's be real here. This is all about Donald Trump's vile and hateful bigotry and conspiracy theories put into practice by his supporters.
Why are we even talking about social media? The President of the USA has encouraged his supporters to slaughter minorities and liberals and they are putting his words into action.
This isn't complicated. It's treason, it's terrorism. But it isn't complicated.
- Anti-semite
- Trump hater
- Violent
(ref: https://imgur.com/a/cwB9QkR)
All the characteristics of the current democrats and what social medias like Twitter openly support.
we would not have this ... thing we have now. 2019 is the year Trump will think of the Nazis' Hindenburg and will weap in front of the world, saying "oh the humanity". And the world will continue to laugh at him.
Torba can whine all he wants, but in the free market one is free to associate, or not associate, with who they want. No one says PayPal or Google have to deal with Gab.
As to Gab being a "conservative" social network, if conservatives believe saying Jews should die, that only white men should be in power, that women deserve to be raped, then sure, why not. Because that is what you'll find there.
This is almost as hilarious as white supremacist Robert Rundo fleeing the country he complains is being taken over by foreigners, and being arrested in Central America. If he didn't like people who weren't white, why would he try to hide in a country where his white skin would stand out?
So they're saying he shot these people because of something he read online? Or he wrote something online after deciding to shoot some people? Or... what are they saying?
Frankly, I don't care what you say, as long as you don't go out and shoot at people (especially me).
And is it really hate speech when it's a known fact? Like left-handed people being untrustworthy. I mean, some people might be insulted but, really, it's undeniable.
On the other hand, banning such networks only drives them underground where no one can monitor them, creating an even bigger louder more resonant echo chamber.
If it is possible for such people to openly express their views, however disturbing they might be, while at the same time remove the perverse incentives for others who make money or leverage political power off them it would be better than banning them outright.
But it is very difficult to come up with such a solution where there are so many different players and enforcement is very difficult.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Abandon the radicals in their cesspool, let it fall apart due to their ineptitude.
From: https://medium.com/@getongab/gab-com-statement-on-the-tree-of-life-synagogue-shooting-a6c1de715b39
"Gab unequivocally disavows and condemns all acts of terrorism and violence. This has always been our policy."
They have had this policy for a while: https://medium.com/@getongab/gab-disavows-all-political-violence-cc4031b4899d
All these damn trees are in the way!
All these virtue signalling assholes have lost the plot. WE dont need to be saved, we want free speech.
If you can't see the vile disgusting edges of speech, then you dont know where the middle is. When you hide, curtail, restrict, and lie about speech then the publics perception of it over time becomes warped and allows for true evil.
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Let the other assholes say their stupid and vile stuff and we are big enough to point our fingers and laugh at them or even take them seriously and fix it ourselves.
The reason they haven't also banned Twitter is that Twitter has a policy of not allowing that kind of thing on its network. While it is far from perfect when it comes to implementing that policy, the issue with Gab is that it explicitly allows speech that Paypal does not.
"You are allowed to fail in applying your own PC-OK policy, but you cannot admit to not actually care whether your customers are PC or not." IOW, make like you uphold the politically correct social niceties and you're golden. Be honest, oh noez.
I expect the other argument will be that Paypal should be neutral and just act as a payment processor, which is somewhat compelling because it would be pretty bad if banks started booting customers who said things they didn't like.
Banks have been doing that even before the US law enforcement started a "follow the money"-campaign then forced through all sorts of "know your customer", "anti-money laundring", and other idiocy. It means that private financial companies now not only are expected to, but are forced to, play prosecution, judge, jury, and executioner on their own customers.
And the banks have willingly complied. Where they like to lobby for laws benefitting themselves, they have declined to do any such thing for their customers. And no, you-the-customer will not get your day in court. You'll notice soon enough, with your bank account gone, along with all your money. Because thieving is OK if the banks can say "the government made us do it". There's nary a bitcoin trader who hasn't had their money stolen and their bank accounts closed on account of "the bank no longer likes you". With multiple banks, for this isn't random incidents, this is quite deliberately orchestrated.
Besides, Pay"destroyers of violins"Pal aren't exactly noted for their neutrality or sophistication or anything. Booting gab now is simply opportunistic virtue signalling. Before this they'd been happy to take their fees just fine.
No more PayPay or Stripe for computers or software!
I guess because it's "conservative" that it's automatically bad. Meanwhile, Antifa (an actual domestic terrorist group) still has a Facebook page and there's no hue and cry about that. I guess some terrorists are bad, others are good - all depending upon what virtue you want to signal.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Watch CNN and it is nothing but hate towards all things Republican.
Watch Fox and it is nothing but hate towards all things Democrat.
The only thing that differentiates them from Social Media is they have total control of the narrative.
Free Speech is free speech.
These networks are great!
What an easy way to give RWNJs a place to vent, and be monitored.
Another case of the three-letter/four letter agencies not using all that wonderful meta data that they collect.
More surveillance for everyone!
The free market at work, you say? What happens when the middlemen decide they control how the free market operates? These are payment processors deciding they don't want to do business, when that business is between two other parties.
Hate Speech is not protected in any civilized country, the United State included.
who got away with knowingly laundering money for drug cartels for years (decades?), got to keep all the profits and had little to no repercussions ($100 million dollar fine sounds like a lot unless you consider the profits they made from the illegal activity).
They way I look at it is like this: Police yourselves so the gov't doesn't have to. See here for a far more amusing take on it though
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Now, the people running Gab have shown themselves to be idiots before, as in starting with the vanity .ai domain name which was easily pressured, and Joyent has long been social justice converged, one of the first purges of a developer was engineered by one of their people, the target just happening working for a competing company on the node.js project. But no one who believes in freedom of expression can believe this is a good thing.
Here comes the flood of free market conservatives mad at private companies for making private decisions. LOL.
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There is no service that has been created that cannot and has not been used for evil. But don't think for a moment that certain groups are not quick to recognize when one group uses the actions of the few to imply support similar desire by the whole.
It has taken some time, but many have managed to make even liberty look like it is only a tool used for oppression.... my my my how much work must have gone into convincing people that you cannot be allowed to manage yourself and must instead have your liberties managed for you. All in the name of keeping you safe.
Tyranny is usually though of as a problem brought on by Government agency... yet the control businesses have gained over our lives it has become clear that economically assaulting another group is more than enough to provide it's own form of tyranny.
Perhaps other businesses should start to refuse to do business with banks that do this as well... or do they too not fear reprisal? All it takes for a business to become suspect is by mere associate with something now... whether that associate is properly represented or not. We are only going to see more and more of this as we continue down this, "those that do not think like me are evil" path. This is the mindset that gets people to agree with mass genocide of entire groups of people and when those groups feel oppressed, no matter the form that oppression takes they will discover now that when avenues of diplomacy or discussion are taken away, they become isolated... and many unfortunately feel that violence is the final resort of regaining any attention for their cause... no matter how terrible other think of them for it.
No worries, the Giant Tech companies are not responsible for what people say on their platforms. Really this is good news. Gab itself was an innovative reaction to increasing censorship. For that matter BitChute and a few others. So fuck PayPal and Stripe. This will result in competition for them. When you shut something that large out, customers are already waiting.
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It's just like the way Facebook got shut down when Facebook user Alex Minassian ran over a bunch of people with a van.
Dear Americans, What's all this debate about left-right, liberal-conservative, & Democrat-Republican? What Americans call left, liberal, Democrat values, the civilised world calls fringe right-wing. The Democrat party are fiscal conservatives and pro-austerity, with all the poverty and social injustice that this entails. Hate speech, racism, lynchings, white supremacy, manifest destiny, etc. have always been de facto protected in the USA since the moment you decided it was OK to commit genocide against the indigenous populations there. You learned it from the European colonials but have refused to acknowledge just how wrong it is and so do something about it. Shame on you all.
but that makes things a little hard for the American Right wing vis-a-vis gay rights, so I don't see that happening. Nonetheless if the right wanted this to stop for real that would be the way to do it.
That said, I don't think they do. The right wing own all 3 branches of government and nearly all of the media (they dominate talk radio, Fox News' ratings are much higher than MSNBC and, well, as a lefty I can safely say that MSNBC is right wing on economics, just go watch some of their coverage of Orcassio-Cortez and the Medicare for all Issue).
What I'm saying is this is great for them. It lets them paint themselves not as the ruling class in charge of everything that matters but as an oppressed minority because their extremist aren't welcome. That narrative of oppression grants them sympathy that folks like this normally wouldn't have it.
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If your system doesn't work for a large enough number of people, they create alternatives. Sometimes that is how the old ends and the new starts. Internet companies should know what disruption is, but apparently they don't recognize the other end of the stick. (Note that I did not make a moral judgment here, because it's irrelevant to the observation and the conclusion.)
We conservatives are so persecuted. We only control three branches of the government after all!
And all those violent people and their guns - they are all backed by George Soros. Soros is backing the Nazis AND Atnifa! He's such a brilliant Je...globalist.
Conservatives have ALL the answers.
Abortion? Ban it! And teach the only true sex education - abstinence. Even though all the evidence is against it, it just feels right! because Sex is EVIL and it's S-I-N!! Jesus said so!
Why yes, I do belong to the anti-sex death cult known as Christianity. We hate sex and worship a zombie!
Guns! Who cares if laws actually reduce violence It's a Jesus given right!!!!
Healthcare? Well now, that's a privilege. Once you're forced to be born, well tough shit. It's a dog eat dog Capitalist World and if you can't deal, then fuck-off and die! Jesus said so!
If you made poor decisions in life - we all know the good decisions are always there and apparent, then you can't help but succeed! Look at me! I chose to be born a white male in an upper middle class family where college was a given.
All those morons who choose to be born Black and poor or a woman have only themselves to blame! And Donald Trump - he's such a genius that he chose to be born a third generation millionaire - he's self made!
And the teaching of evolution in school. Plah-ease! We need to teach the truth of Creation and not this liberal evidence based horseshit!
No sir! As a conservative I know what's and right and wrong and those liberals with their "the world is a shade of gray" nonsense should just smarten up!
Paypal can choose not to associate with Gab - or any other network - if they want. Nobody can force them to do business with them. Similarly if people don't like that paypal doesn't want to work with Gab any more, they are free to find another way to move money to Gab (or orthogonal to them if they encounter paypal too often in regular transactions for their own liking). There is no free speech issue here when one company decides they don't want to do business with another one.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
They want eyeballs for the advertisers. Extreme rhetoric and vitriol is how they get them. If it requires that some to shoot and blow each other up for others to buy a certain brand of soap or truck, so be it. The scary part is that it's taken a life of its own. You can't discuss current events in a meaningful and disarming way without ignoring some things and turning the other cheek. If you do that, your radicalized viewers will find their fix somewhere else, and so will your sponsors.
When the President of the United States is an open unashamed racist, and many members of his party are open unashamed racists, the inevitable result is the current state of the America.
People didn't make these things up about racist Donald Trump:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
This not fake news.
You end up with the insane fringe shooting people.
It's nice that the tech community would drop support for these racist organizations, but is it going to help?
Since when has it become a declared / definitive act to not be a flaming dumpster fire in public?
All of the social networking sites have toxic content, it's only the absolute worst of the worst that gets banned. For a site to specifically welcome it leads to stuff like has happened now.
But if we break up the social media giants, we are in this same situation where every one of them gets to do their own thing and we need to police every single social media site. So make up your mind, either monopolies are bad or they aren't.
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That bunch of brain damaged, lead-paint chip eating, soda swilling, conspiritards couldn't put up a wordpress site.
Conservatards don't invent shit by definition. They're anti-progress.
We are going to see the right-wing lolbertarian dream of "just build your own bro" crash and burn in the power dynamics of the real world.
They could just use Bitcoin, so not being able to use PayPal is a totally fake argument. Conservatives are such whiny cry babies these days, always playing the victim.
The right wing own all 3 branches of government
Republicans do. Conservatives don't. It's still mostly the Establishment Uniparty in charge, which is why so little changes.
and nearly all of the media (they dominate talk radio, Fox News' ratings are much higher than MSNBC and, well, as a lefty I can safely say that MSNBC is right wing on economics
You're very high right now.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Now, which side truly has the dangerous mobs?
They way I look at it is like this: Police yourselves so the gov't doesn't have to.
If corporations ban speech under threat of government coercion, how is that any different than the government directly censoring speech?
Distributed Encrypted P2P Overlay Networks
Good luck censoring and shutting down the many of these now out there.
I2P, Tor, Pond, Briar, Tox, sooooo many other tools
you can use to ensure your freedom to communicate
with others. There are even complete social networking
sites running in these overlays. Start using them.
when twitter used to have HAMAS account. Maybe still does....
Republicans do. Conservatives don't. It's still mostly the Establishment Uniparty in charge, which is why so little changes.
Erm... Look at the word "Convervatism" in the dictionary? Preserving the status quo is the whole reason for the Republican party.
The tragic events of this past Saturday make it more clear than ever the need to closely monitor these potentially-dangerous anti-Trump radicals.
of being Conservative? If change isn't happening then they're winning.
I think you're mixing up the radical right (alt-right?) with actual Conservatives. But even then the radical right wing is doing pretty well for themselves. There's been a massive and successful attack on gov't regulation. Much of Dodd Frank has been repealed. Most of the Obama era EPA guidelines have been eliminated or toned back. Net Neutrality is dead putting control of the internet in the hands of private industry. Mitch McConnell is even able to talk openly about ending Social Security and Medicare. These are policies the far right has wanted for decades and had to back down on.
Meanwhile the left can't get any tracking on Medicare for All, even though a majority of Republicans support it (let alone Democrats). The left are completely on the defensive in all respects. The right is winning on all fronts.
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You can't make direct threats. That's what's at issue here. Paypal was fine with Gab until one of their own shot up a place.
That said, Paypal's a payment processor, not a web forum. I don't think this is pressure from the gov't. It's more likely they're worried about a backlash from their customers.
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Republicans haven't been conservative in their actions since the 90s. The Establishment, most Dems and Most Republicans, is a small group of huge donors who always gets their way. Democrats and the GOP put on this kabuki theater ritualized show where they make a very public show of disagreeing on things like gay marriage, things with no financial consequence to the big donors, but they agree on everything important. (And even on issues like gay marriage, the outcome is as scripted as professional wrestling).
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Republicans haven't been conservative in their actions since the 90s.
What exactly should be "Conservative"? So far it's basically the transfer of wealth from poor to rich people, massively accelerated by st. Reagan.
And even on issues like gay marriage, the outcome is as scripted as professional wrestling
Don't bet on it. It's going to be curtailed by the new courts. Trump has already discarded trans people after using them.
No worries, the Giant Tech companies are not responsible for what people say on their platforms. Really this is good news.
You keep up that spirit my friend. But the world has spoken, and will speak again, this kind of radical thought that is obviously leading to radical behavior, we won't tolerate it, and we will pull the rug out from under you if you don't clean up the act.
Free Markets working as they should, for once. Legally, yes, 'Big Tech' isn't responsible for your shit posting, but morally... some of them are making a stand. FINALLY. There is simply no place for this in our world.
Any true conservative would have let the banks and auto makers go under back in 2008. The free market has showed their business model as unsustainable Instead the Republicans let them drink from the government tit.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
We even have a Ball for them.
Maybe more of these assholes should be invited to it, so they can see how real Haters operate, with style and discrimination :)
and you shouldn't be using that word. You're misusing it. Perhaps intentionally in order to get real conservatives on your side. I've said this before, but Hilary Clinton was and is the best true conservative in America. She'd have kept everything the same, only making a few minor changes to keep everything on course. She lost because Americans don't want actual conservatism. They want change, and it's no wonder why.
Also nobody is in favor of small government when it suits them. Folks who get it with a natural disaster want the Fed to come in and help. Most people support a large, national military for defense. And our interstate highway couldn't be built by a small government. The "Conservative" Red states get more money from the fed than they put in and if you touch those subsidies expect their Senators to fight tooth and nail against you.
What you're really in for is "small enough to drown in a bathtub" government. In other words, small, local governments that can be pushed around by large power organizations. Even if that's not what you want, it's what the folks who fund and run the "small gov't" movement do. And they make the rules.
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he was an active member of a community that in turn actively encourages folks like him to come to their side. You know this. You're trying to shift the narrative. I don't think anyone's gonna fall for it though. At least not anyone who doesn't _want_ to fall for it.
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The geek community was first constructed as a haven for the unfairly rejected. But in our rush, we forgot that sometimes, the rejection is fair. It's long past time to kick the fairly-ostracized back out into the cold where they always belonged, but better late than never.
Social networking is the WORST computer technology inflicted upon the unsuspecting public ever. From Russians influencing the US presidential election in 2016; to leaks of people's personal data; to all the killings and other violence in India, Myanmar, and the United States; to the enormous wealth which is only outdone by the enormous arrogance of Silicon Valley; social networking is a plague upon humanity. Boycott all social networks.
It was his mental health hachetjob that lead us to where we are today, first in California then the US as a whole, with both the far left and far right being people who should have been institutionalized years ago for violent or antisocial tendencies. Probably another reason Scientology spread so far and wide, also.
At this point in time the critical mass has been reached. Either the US will find a way to split into Liberal and Conservative states/nations, or it's going to fracture under its divisible nature much like it should have during the Civil War.
As usual, this entire episode has been politicized. But it's the wrong kind of politics. Instead of parties, this violence is about public health, and about how understanding personality disorders is crucial to public health.
Acknowledging all the risks of this kind of armchair diagnostics--which should never be attempted publicly, not even as a hobby, and therefore even posting this is in violation of a prime directive of psychiatry--I'm going out on a limb to say: this man is not really a political activist. Rather, he suffers from a Personality Disorder. It's almost certainly Histrionic Personality Disorder. That's in cluster B, which has associated with it the traits of lack of empathy and tendency to rule-breaking. Politics is the idiom he has chosen to use to get attention. Hence the activity in the early 2000s, and all the bumper stickers.
What he doesn't seem to have is the desire to do actual harm for fun: that is, he is not a psychopath or sadist. What he really wants is attention, but he still operates within some kind of human limits, unlike those types.
No surprise, in this day and age when people pay attention to political messages as if they had much more meaning than they really do, and when they attach huge emotional packages to political speech that is in fact completely vapid, he chose exactly the right idiom to get the most bang for the buck. This forum is a great example of how his strategy works: it works because most people, and especially people in information technology, sneer at psychology courses.
Long-term, this was 100% the result of Vladimir Putin's attacks on the United States. He is desperate to maintain control by dividing people, and wants to divide every one who might be strong enough to kill him to increase his safety. The best reaction would be for Trump to declare war on Russia now while the United States can still win easily.
While fox quite clearly show a bias, and they gladly admit it, CNN does not necessarily has such a bias. In fact if you both er to check you will find that when it happen they also report bad things said or done by democrats. e.g. just simply example if you want like anthony wiener sexting. This isn't equivalent to fox. that Fox and some right wing people managed to bring a narrative that cnn and co and other media are democrat aligned , shows that they have managed to really control media and people far more than they readily admit.
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That was what he meant. He's racist enough against most other races, but Jews have a special place in his heart, since they're the only reason he's not poor.
I posted a link to a wikipedia article about the racist views of Donald Trump. And it was downvoted as Troll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
Has Slashdot become a haven for racists?
Ah yes the SPLC... the same organization that has no problem with Tamika Mallory taking selfies with a holocaust denier who publicly praises Hitler but thinks that anti-salafism women's rights activists like Ayaan Hirsi-Ali are "dangerous extremists".
A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
They can say what they want.. but there should be real world consequences
any true Conservative's first concern would be preserving the existing order and stability. That's what Conservatism is. It's what the word means.
Now, a libertarian would have let the banks fail. But not a Conservative.
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the economic right wing own virtually everything. Talk radio is almost completely right of center (with NPR being a bit left on social issues but still centrist on the economy). Same with newspapers when it comes to money. Right of center.
What's more, America is not nearly as divided as the media tells you. 70% of us support medicare for all. You'll find similar numbers for marijuana legalization, infrastructure spending and putting a stop to our endless wars.
Americans are actually pretty well united. Our ruling class figured that out in the 50s. They used hot button wedge issues to motivate a fringe to vote against their interests and gerrymandering, voter suppression combined with our pseudo Democracy (e.g. Senate & Electoral College) to make sure the majority didn't get what they wanted.
But this created a problem. It was now too obvious America wasn't a Democracy anymore. So they bought up the media and started pushing a narrative that we're divided. We're not. Not on the issues anyway. We have a classic tyranny of the minority.
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> catering primarily to US conservatives
1. That's only seen as the case because they've been systematically deplatformed by twitter.
2. The idiotic notation that there are only two political perspectives is literally six times dumber than astrology.
I'm strongly left leaning, but more anti-authoritarian than left, so I'm seen as right wing buy left wing useful idiots because I oppose their aspirations of authority, and seen as left wing by right wing useful idiots because I oppose most of their social policy.
Gab is laudable for their free speech support. Smearing them is more reprehensible than being the mere host of speech you don't like will ever be.
>The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
—H. L. Mencken
Question everything
Trump's own estimate is that he only controls about 70% of what's going on in America. Even though his buddy Putin says that he's 90% in charge compared to Putin's 80% control of Russia.
Time for another journalist joke:
Q: What's the difference between a Saudi reformer journalist and chopped liver?
A: We know where the chopped liver is!
And MBS is 100% in control of Saudi Arabia. Trump can only be envious.
Hey, here's a solution to solve ALL the problems in one swoop. Trump can build the wall out of prison cells. Several stories tall because he wants a YUGE beautiful wall! Plenty of cells for all the immigrants and asylum seekers AND their children!
"Lock kids up, LOCK KIDS UP!"
My back of the envelope calculation says millions of cells, so there will still be plenty of empty ones for all of Trump's political enemies and journalists, too. If there are still any vacancies, they can convert some of the nice locations on the top floor into condominiums and sell them to Trump's great buddies from Russia, Saudi Arabia, and maybe some really stinking rich Asians who can qualify as honorary white people.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
TV is less and less relevant, while the Internet sphere is more and more relevant. By downplaying the vast importance of the Internet on cultural issues and ignoring that politics is downstream from culture, you've spun quite the narrative there.
Funny euphemism for "nazi"
It's all fine and dandy when you tow the party line- but the 2nd you deviate with your own thoughts and views governments and monopolies thereof will crush you. That is what we are seeing here. I'm no fan of the right wing nutters, but the socialists are no better. Both major political parties are hell bent on stealing from, killing, and controlling the masses. We need decentralization and to remove the control from government over financial matters, communications, and similar so all parties and view points can prosper. The idea that we can't have separate countries with different systems is fucked up. Both sides need to grow up and divide things up peacefully. The only rule that should be true everywhere is that one should be free to leave. If everyone is free to leave then the conservatives can ban gay sex and the gays will leave and the socialists can steal from themselves and the conservatives, libertarians, and pretty much anyone sane can leave to a freer parts. I already moved personally from NJ to NH. Free State Project and all that.
of Government. See: Robber Barons. The Machiavellian Merchant Class. The Military Industrial Complex. Etc, etc.
The thing you've got to remember is that at the end of the day this is all about one thing: A small group of people want to have a lot of money in exchange for doing nothing but owning shit. Used to be the Monarchy & Aristocracy. Then it was the robber barons. Now it's the 1%ers. But it's all the same thing and it's all the same pattern.
Democratic Governments have been the only thing that's ever gotten us past those people, however briefly (and I do mean briefly, it's been less than 100 years since they had total control and abused it with impunity in all countries and they still have that control in 70% of the world).
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The killer used Facebook and Twitter and gab.ai. Only the one that refused to censor non-violent conservative voices was attacked by the tech giants. Guess which one that was.
Blaming a platform is so intellectually dishonest. In no way is it a platforms at fault for what users choose to do. If we apply the same logic we would need to deplatform Facebook because the Orlando shooter used Facebook. Oh are wait Lewis Farikan is actively spewing anti-semitic crap on Twitter but that is A-okay for some reason. The only blame to be had is on the individual. His up bringing and life has way more to do with him shooting people than Gab ever did.
If only these organizations had supported BDS and helped prevent the much BIGGER slaughter of Palestinian innocents, this event may not have happened at all.
If you condone the killing of children, medics and journalists with SNIPER rifles, then it's pretty hypocritical to lash out at a platform that MIGHT be used to host comments that you don't like.
There's a much bigger picture here, and it starts with the ongoing genocide, not just a "school shooting" style event.
Remember, when a radical US Jew in Israel slaughtered 29 Muslims in Hebron in 1994 ? Many Jews in Israel STILL celebrate him as a hero, though the "shrine" in his memory has now been dismantled.
You want to send money to Gab, mail them a check. If that's too much trouble, too bad! Start your own payment processing company. There aren't any barriers to entry for that. There are network effects that have made Paypal big, but you don't care about big if you need to support a fringe website - nothing stops people using it from using Paypal for everything else (unless this episode makes them want to boycott Paypal, but good luck getting Gabpal accepted everywhere like Paypal is...)
Surely there are enough far right nutjobs who want a platform to talk about white nationalists and killing Jews without consequences that they can start their own hosting company to host Gab's servers.
From the very beginning, even before they launched, they were actively using white supremacists that had been kicked out of every other network to promote their website and app to their followers. Those people, coincidentally, also happen to be white supremacists. And now we're shocked and appalled that these white supremacists are use Gab to coordinate and discuss how much they hate everybody? Come on now. It's not like any of this has ever been a secret. It's not like anyone's even tried to keep it a secret. And it's not like we haven't seen hugely problematic posts emerging from Gab since it first went live. Dude, there's a nazi frog in their logo. Gab has always been a Nazi hate network. Always. It's not an accident, it's by design.
Yeah, CNN, NBC etc are not as left-wing as the right make them out to be. Liberals have very few progressive media outlets, like FreeSpeechTV for example. They just use them to rile up their base, people generally believe almost anything these days.
Antisemitic ideas are ACTUALLY a Leftist ideology, everything that was implemented, and allowed is actually the policy of the left, thanks very much, #note the sarcasm for the thanks, to a national socialist named hitler. If they are blaming the Right on antisemitism that means they are further left than hitler was, since he implemented marxism ... SINCE ... hitler stalin and mao implemented Marxism ideologs which lead to redistribution of wealth AND millions dead.
hitler and the founder of planned parenthood, allowed and had the motivation to allow abortions in order to allow "inferior" Race's to eradicate themselves. hitler and the left wanted gun control so "inferior" races couldn't fight back, gun control in America was a state sponsored Jim Crow law to prevent Beautiful Black people from fighting against the kkk. hitler did the same for Jews.
When we discuss the left or right it means economics, if you redistribute wealth you'll get the Russian gulag work camps... and it always fails. What the extreme left doesn't realize is that they legitize hitlers final solution... but they hide behind not being discriminating... "if you're not with me you're against me, and you must die": is the leftist manifesto, and they self cannibalize. Read history books for once.
self cannibalizing example.
Suzan surandon and debrah messing when she mentioned trump on twitter.
It's worse than that. The guy also said some shit on twitter and facebook as well. But since twitter and facebook are "mainstream" and are now skirting certain entity protections they already receive, not a damn thing gets done to them. GAB, from what I have determined so, had not only adequately complied with LE, but they reached out to them. This is something that facebook and twitter have not done and you have companies like Apple and Google who have typically abstained from complying with the FBI, yet no one says a fucking thing.
What is going on is far worse than a 1A issue. You have a technocratic mafia making a shit ton of money off of social media rubes with the full power to easily squash competition at whim across the board for any gosh damn reason. They don't follow any sort of rules, just whatever their expensive lawyers allow them to get away with.
Google, Apple, Twitter, and Facebook need to be addressed and they need to be addressed immediately.
Who in this situation has a "monopoly position"?
I don't respond to AC's.
The one thing that bothers me about these corporate policies is the domain revoking, whether PayPal wants to do business with you or not, I don't think that domain registrars should be able to apply the same standards, if that is the only way to be listed on the internet and register DNS entries is through the 'gatekeeper' registrars then they are basically voices of the government and therefore should not be allowed to revoke a properly paid-for registration. If they want to be able to do this the the government should be required to issue domain registrations themselves or maybe you should be allowed a $domain.citiizen.gov domain that is irrevocable providing you are operating legally. I don't want to make any excuse for this particular person, or ideology. But if we are revoking domains that contain hate speech, let's start with facebook, google, cnn, foxnews and anyone else that uses comment sections (how about /.?)
but it's not a conservative response. The entire social and economic order was at stake. The banks really were too big to fail, at least not without a massive counter balance in the form of a total government bail out of the economy, which itself would have been a huge change to the current order and social/political systems.
Bailing out the banks was the correct response from a Conservative standpoint. It preserved as many of the existing power structures and systems as possible and with them the existing order.
From your post it's hard to infer your entire politics, but I don't think your a conservative, rather you like the sound of it. But it's not healthy to use the word incorrectly.
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In a corporatist system of government, corporate censorship is state censorship. When there's no meaningful space between corporate power and government power, it doesn't make much difference whether the guy silencing your dissent is Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Sessions. America most definitely has such a system.
That entire paragraph is plagiarism.
And when independent candidates run for office and can't get their message out for being shadow banned, and the corporatist candidates are always the number one trending subject, you'll be there to finger wag for not bothering to set up their own world-class content distribution system first.
So is this one.
Any time you try to talk about how internet censorship threatens our ability to get the jackboot of oligarchy off our necks you'll always get some guy in your face who's read one Ayn Rand book and thinks he knows everything, saying things like âoeFacebook is a private company! It can do whatever it wants!â Is it now? Has not Facebook been inviting US government-funded groups to help regulate its operations, vowing on the Senate floor to do more to facilitate the interests of the US government, deleting accounts at the direction of the US and Israeli governments, and handing the guidance of its censorship behavior over to the Atlantic Council, which receives funding from the US government, the EU, NATO and Gulf states? How "private" is that? Facebook is a deeply government-entrenched corporation, and Facebook censorship is just what government censorship looks like in a corporatist system of government.
Well that sure looks familiar too.
What takes random paragraphs from internet sources based on key words, with a time span ranging in years, and cobbles them together to make forum posts?
We are truly witnessing an attack on free speech.
The banning of conservatives was already an alarm, however you rationalize it, because it was a targeted effort. Whether you believe the narrative that strongly worded opinions and conspiracy theorists influence violence, you can't ignore the actual extremist groups that actively utilize the service and suffer no consequences.
The argument was, imo, a weak one, but at least it had some credibility. It's their service. They can allow or not allow whomever they want.
And technically that's correct, but that's another discussion.
Now, they just don't want you off of their service. They want you off of everywhere.
Before, you could say it was akin to being kicked out of a coffee shop. At least you could find a new coffee shop, right?
No, you can't do that either. Because they're going to tear down whatever fucking coffee shop you decide to go to.
Free speech is a right not only worth being protected, but also must be extended. The right to free speech was not written with the understanding that one day human beings would be communicating largely through an intermediary. The fact that so many people are okay with an intermediary dictating the extent of their free speech, speaks to either their ignorance or their indifference of this right.
If people don't see a problem with a company holding the majority stake in the way ideas and thoughts are able to be shared, and then ruling that with an iron fist to suit their political leanings, then we are truly lost. Might as well burn the constitution and replace it with a EULA. All hail our corporate overlords, for they are wealthy and smart and have nice cars, private jets and mansions, and obviously that means they know what is best for us.
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Mate what a load of bollocks. You leftie commie asshats want to destroy free speech and create Orwellian governments that police everything in our lives. The MSM is basically ultra-left wing, because its pervaded by journalists. You know the degree that has a 90% completion rate by women, the group thinkers and progressives and the communists. Its also backed and funded by globo-homo corporations and the uppity classes who fake virtue ad nausea to be seen as "good people". This is whats driving the anger. The fake news and the propaganda are so blatant and you make claims like its not in your favour. Your an NPC, you cant see reality and you just regurgitate what you hear on the media.
to mean "right wing" is that it's disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst. You have people in favor of radical change using the word to get folks who just want stability under their tent. In the process those people lose the stability they seek when the radicals use the political power gained from those genuine conservatives.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a lefty and a progressive. I think our society should always be improving. But it's hard to get the conservatives to buy into that when the radical right have gotten so good at scaring the bejeebees out of them. If they recognized the radical right for what they are (radicals) worst case the real conservatives would push for stability (which, as a progressive I find preferable to regression; e.g. I voted for Hilary, the ultimate conservative) and it might make it easier to get them to agree to progress.
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No "Reagan era conservative" would claim the GOP was hijacked by "religious fundamentalists".
The republican party was CREATED by Christians who opposed slavery on MORAL GROUNDS. The party was birthed in Christian principles, and has always been populated by a rather religious population. There was a time when secular Republicans hijacked the party (the Rottenfellars and their ilk) but they lacked enough principles to be accused of standing for anything and thus rarely succeeded politically. In the Reagan era, the GOP was quite religious and was boldly and officially anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQWTF, anti-women-in-combat, pro-marriage, etc.
Of course, back in the 1980s the Democrats were pretending to be civilized too and thus were also officially opposed to things like "gay rights" and "trans rights" and "gay marriage" and such things. Indeed, when Obama and Hillary were running for the Dem nomination in 2008 they were both on record publicly opposed to "gay marriage" on religious grounds... the DNC has simply gone insanely far left over the past 10 years so that NONE of its most-famous historical figures (Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Woodrow Wilson,FDR, JFK, LBJ, etc) would even be allowed to speak at a podium at any official event today.
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