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FCC To Suspend Most Operations Thursday if the Partial Government Shutdown Continues (fcc.gov)
The Federal Communications Commission will suspend most operations in the middle of the day January 3 if the partial government shutdown continues, the agency has announced [PDF]. In a statement, it said: In the event of a continued partial lapse in federal government funding, the Federal Communications Commission will suspend most operations in the middle of the day on Thursday, January 3. At that time, employees will have up to four hours to complete an orderly shutdown of operations. However, work required for the protection of life and property will continue, as will any work related to spectrum auctions, which is funded by auction proceeds. In addition, the Office of the Inspector General will continue operations until further notice. The Commission on Wednesday will release a Public Notice detailing the effects the suspension of operations will have, including on electronic filing and database systems, filing deadlines, regulatory and application fee payments, transaction shot clocks, and more. The Public Notice will be available on the Commission's website, www.fcc.gov.
Just fund the wall that Americans want and need. Stop serving the interests of Mexico, Russia, and China.
Look at those list of qualifications for the things that are not really shut down.
Basically "anything that is really at all useful carries on".
That's just for the FCC but the general trend carries across the whole government.
For just one example - you can still update passports... and most national parks are still open.
I think this shutdown may last a while, because I 'm not sure there's much pain that most non-government people will see...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
What shall we do without our precious FCC? How can we end this madness? How long can we live with this horrific government shutdown?
In all seriousness, it's just politics as usual. The 'scary' government shutdown can go on for months for all I care.
I thought Mexico was going to pay for the wall.
What happened to that?
Firing up my pirate transmitter. Tune into 6925KHz.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
This is awesome! I like Trump more than ever!
The TRUMP Shutdown keeps on giving! and giving! until WE! GET! THE! WALL! Roger Waters be damned to eternal damnation in a place where DEMs go when the die! Oh, and yes, the rain is eternal! The rain is eternal!
But "useful" is a matter of degree and timing. For example, Federal permits are often required for various business activities. Many of those are being postponed, meaning businesses have to wait. It can muck up schedules, hurting profits.
I'm sure you have a personal "to do" list, and many of those items can be postponed some without much problem, but after a while it will catch up to you and cause direct problems.
But toiletry and garbage-related maintenance is on hold. I shouldn't have to explain the details of those downsides.
It's stupid that our system allows this so easily. It should have a cruise control mode that funds at existing levels until budget agreements are made. Stop throwing monkey wrenches into our civilization; I LIKE civilization. It seems many don't. Let's not #MakeCavesGreatAgain.
Table-ized A.I.
You treasonous Trump faggots should be cut in half and your worthless obese ancient organs sold off to China to pay for the shutdown your traitor hero thinks will stop him from going to prison.
But toiletry and garbage-related maintenance is on hold.
Which volunteers are taking up the slack on.
It's stupid that our system allows this so easily. It should have a cruise control mode that funds at existing levels until budget agreements are made.
That is exactly what it does have for anything of consequence.
Stop throwing monkey wrenches into our civilization
Stop trying to drag down civilization with endless unbreakable chains. I LIKE civilization. It seems many don't, and desire even more chains... #MakeGovernmentSmallAgain
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Shut down all the government and lets see how bad things reall do(n't) get.
That should give a good idea if we let the congresscritters balance the budget, or give it a few months then draw and quarter them. Politicians don't fall under the Constitution, just like legal and illegal immigrants, right? So it's not inhumane to commit unconstitutional acts against them! :)
Trump probably has a cabinet level position for you, but it depends - are you bad at your job and ideologically opposed to it being done properly? You're hired! Grope the secretary on your way out, she'll get you sorted.
I know we're all supposed to be angry at democrats/republicans ( depending on your allegiance of course ), but I just can't bring myself to be upset about the shutdown, or this particular aspect of it. Perhaps we should consider making this a more permanent state of affairs?
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
I'm sure Verizon will advance you some cash... (sigh)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Clearly, this is FUCKing awesome, we'll be able to see TITS on TV like every other civilized country. Even our CUNT of a President is sometimes right, even if this PISSes off a lot of Puritanical COCKSUCKing MOTHERFUCKERS. Hope they SHIT their pants at the prospect.
If you like your Mexico paid for the wall, you can keep your Mexico paid for the wall.
You are welcome on my lawn.
This is a radio clash live from satellite...
Oh, traditional communism. How about that. But how long can we expect them to keep that up?
Like I said, consequence is relative and time-related. Just because you can postpone something doesn't mean it has no consequence. I can postpone dental visits for a year or so, but if I never went to a dentist, I'd probably have screwy or missing teeth. (Then again, some rural people seem to view such as a badge of honor for reasons that escape me.)
Whether the gov't is too big or too small in general is probably another debate for another time. Let's try to focus on specifics here. And nobody agrees on what parts are too big. The military is too is big by some accounts, I would note.
Table-ized A.I.
Largely because they're using funds left over. The Smithsonian, for instance, will close on the 2nd or 3rd of Jan IIRC because of lack of funds. I imagine the national parks will close as well.
All the outdoor parks and memorials will remain open because there's no need to close them. Trees keep growing, rivers keep flowing...
Just wait. All those school trips to the Smithsonian will start kicking in sometime after the holiday break, and you'll see stories of disappointed kids in the news.
Disappointed children from the richest counties in the nation is press that helps Trump though, so it will quickly die off.
The best possible scenario here is for Trump to do zip, he gets massive bad press
And here is where you discover exactly why it's super bad to have journalists deliver massive bad press on a subject 24x7 - because when the subject does deserve it, absolutely no-one pays attention or cares.
both parties come together to over-ride his veto.
That is actually what Trump is hoping for and would assure him a 20/20 victory. Funny how many people that hate Trump so badly, seem to take steps to ensure him achieving whatever victory he desires...
If they had just quietly paid for the wall they could have plastered him with the failure of it in 2020. Here's a big 'ol tactical clue for Democrats: Half-assed wall is way better for the Democrats than zero wall. Trump has got more benefit out of a fictional wall than Pink Floyd!
Some people claim that True is playing eight-dimensional chess. I think he's just an average guy who managed to work his way into the kingdom of the sub-level morons.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
This is how it works with most of government. They want something, the public doesn't. Say they want to raise a gas tax, the people say no, then the state "punishes" the people by shutting off services. Same with the fed...the PUBLIC wants a wall, the deep state doesn't. (republicans want illegals here to depress wages. democrats want them here to prop up welfare & illegal or legal voters rolls). So, the "government" shuts down things like parks, VA, and on and on to "punish" them. Until people get fed up, and start making government afraid of the people, with a 90+ percent reelection rate, you think the government gives a crap what the people want?
Why are the executive branch and congress still receiving full pay and benefits?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Glad to see dems not being spineless. Only 4 days to go
let's continue this study of the inconsequential national government
While I don't object to protocols I'm no fan of the FCC. I should be able to operate a radio station without asking government permission. I should be able to transmit data across town without asking government permission. Undoubtedly the tools to make it work should be developed such that all have equal access to the radio waves via chipsets that can intelligently direct packets to other devices not terribly unlike what we can already do with wireless networks and/or mesh networking today. The idea you should have to pay for access to use the airwaves via companies granted monopolies over sections of the airwaves is a dated concept.
actually does anything worthwhile.
Corporatism != Free Market
As an amateur radio licensee, this kind of pisses me off because this will cause a huge back log of new licensee applications and new hams will have to wait longer for their call sign. To me, communications are critical. The Federal Bureaucracy is so bloated, surely there is an agency that is much lower down the food chain that would not be so mission critical.
Oh, traditional communism. How about that. But how long can we expect them to keep that up?
Nope, under communism, no-one had the means or ability to clean up environmental disasters as they happened, because they could hardly take care of themselves.
Only under a system of capitalism to do see enough excess resources created to enable people to take care of the land, and each other,
This is why former communist nations were horrible environmental disaster areas.
This is why capitalists contribute far more to charity than others.
This is why park cleanup is being done as long as is needed by volunteers, because they are well enough enough themselves personally they can do so.
Thank you for providing me a reason to teach this important lesson to others.
The military is too is big by some accounts, I would note.
Not according to the many Democrats crying at our intent to leave Syria and draw down in Afghanistan...
Maybe go ask them why a huge military is so important, because MANY Trump supporters would in fact agree the military is too large. Or were you not paying attention to what Trump himself has said, vs. what others say about him...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Trump (and the craven GOP cowardly bootlickers) are responsible for 3 THIS YEAR. That's Trump's fault, bitch traitor.
CC To Suspend Most Operations Thursday
And given the current FCC leadership, nothing of value was lost.
Better known as 318230.
But over time you can't expect federal workers in "essential" positions to continue working without pay.
All actually essential functions would receive emergency funding if truly needed, even if the workers did not take advantage of the many free loan options they have. Remember they are still going to receive all the pay they would have had they been working, so those loans are paid back as soon as the shutdown is over.
Do taxes stop being collected? No? Well then the government actually has money to pay whoever it likes, doesn't it?
Oh and it the reason the coast guard got money at all was Trump intervened to make that happen...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I aint payin for some bullshit metal slats in the middle of the fucking desert. Fuck that. No, FUCK that.
No money from Mexico, no wall. That was the promise, which has now been exposed as just another lie from trump to his brain dead supporters.
Keep it closed until he leaves office or gets impeached for all I care. trumptards can suck on this one. It's their own fault for voting for loser trump.
trump's administration is so corrupt and ineffectual that the government might as well be closed anyway.
What I want to know is, why do trump and his trumptards hate America so much that they would sell us all out to the Russians?
LOL@vword: TIMBER yep, you said it...humpty trumpty is falling down, tiimmmmmmmberrrrr
If they build it out of crack cocaine, it may work as a win-win
Otherwise knows as the American Republic. It has three branches of government rather than one and no branch by itself gets to change the course of the country. That is by design and while it's imperfect it has prevented the rise of totalitarian leaders.
In order for a leader to push through major changes he is or she must have either the overwhelming support of the American people, or a strong coalition of allies. Building a coalition is hard work and requires compromise. The president does not have the popular support necessary to force through his agenda and neither he or his party are willing to compromise.
I do not block ads. I do block third party scripts.
My guess is you never knew anything the FCC actually did, so you have no idea.
I do, but apparently you did not since your claim requires stating what is important they are not continuing operations on.
Except the EPA isn't monitoring pollution
Companies are still legally responsible for pollution so it's not like they are doing to start while monitoring is suspended.
the FDA isn't approving drugs
Fake News, applications still being processed.
Social Security is shut down (if you're on it you keep getting checks, but you cannot get on it)
Fake news, that kind of bullshit only happens under Democrats who want you to think the government is more important than it is or in fact stoppable. Applications will be processed, just with some delay.
you can still update passports...
At consulates, not everywhere.
More fake news, can mail a passport in from anywhere to get renewed or apply at any USPS office
For a guy whose handle claims they always RTFA that is a LOT of background reading you did not do before throwing out a lot of unfounded assertions!!!!
Most national parks have some pre-shutdown funding still available. They'll all be closed if this keeps going on
Takes money to shut down most parks. Why even close them? The stuff Obama did was just plain mean, like putting barricades around national monuments you could just walk up to. None of that happening this time.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
All actually essential functions would receive emergency funding if truly needed,
I'm wondering where you think that emergency funding will come from. The Constitutional mechanism we're dealing with here is that the Executive Branch can't spend money without legislative approval. Now you may be able to pull some treasury sleight of hand to move approved spending to specific purposes, but in the US treasury functions are also tightly controlled by Congress (e.g. securitizing debts).
That's what DHS has done with the Coast Guard; it's searched under the sofa cushions and found already appropriated money to pay the last paycheck of the year. Trump can't simply order DHS to continue paying the Coasties indefinitely; he doesn't have the authority.
Finally, there is no guarantee that furloughed federal workers will receive anything, although in the past it has been customary to award them back pay, that's a norm not a rule. In fact Trump has floated the idea of using money "saved" by the shutdown to pay for the wall.
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Sounds like a great time to have our SDRs piss all over the spectrum!
It may be lack of democracy and free speech. Totalitarians treat citizens as expendable pawns
Yes, that's what I said, communists.
Besides, I said "traditional communism", not Soviet-style.
Oh no you don't.
Name ONE COMMUNIST COUNTRY, of any form, that has not brought about vast ecological disaster.
You are focusing on one narrow aspect of the military.
Whatever, warmonger. I was for getting out of Afghanistan (and Syria) before Trump was even a thing.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Now you may be able to pull some treasury sleight of hand to move approved spending to specific purposes,
Bingo.
Finally, there is no guarantee that furloughed federal workers will receive anything
Wrong. The fix is in.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
this stops the FCC from destroying more of America.
NOW, ideally, it is time to EPA to announce a shutdown, at least at the top.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Yep
Which is better, canceling your vacation while nothing's happening
Cancelling your vacation to make something happen, before everyone else in the whole federal government gets back from vacation...
That is what was so despicable about what Democrats did, they did not even TRY to resolve anything during this week, ensuring the shutdown would affect everyone in the weeks ahead instead of mostly not being an issue because of the holiday.
That is why it's the Democrats looking like a fat, angry toddlers here... imagine how low you have become when Trump looks like the adult in the room. That is what has happened here, and it was something the Democrats did to themselves.
Trump at work while the Democrats play...
Remember, these were the first government shutdowns every to happen while one party controlled both congress and the White House.
Here is where you fail to think strategically - the shutdowns happened after Democrats won a large election. That is what people mostly think, despite the fact the new house members don't start until the new year.
The Republicans also all voted for the spending bill; if just ten democrats had supported it would have passed. Not to mention we had the meeting with Trump and the Democrats leaders where the whole country saw plainly it was between Trump and the Democrats, the Republicans are out o the mental picture (control or no).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Every time the Federal government "shuts down" all the "essential" services keep running normally. 70%+ of the federal government is running right now in this "shut down".
The press and politicians call this a "shut down" as part of a very dishonest scam to stir-up public reactions. We've had these phony shut downs over 20 times in the past couple of decades, and the only impact the average American feels is a few closed parks and museums. In fact, this scam is so phony that when government "shut down" under Obama (supposedly because government cannot spend any money that has not yet been congressionally authorized) President Obama actually spent money sending park officers to go and put up barriers around some of the outdoor monuments in Washington DC, like the WWII memorial, in order to anger the public (so much for not being able to spend money). Trump, incidentally, has not been this disgustingly dishonest.
In every "shut down" all "essential" services and all safety-related services continue running. Everything classed as "non-essential" shuts down --- which is mighty handy for us taxpayers who get to see what parts of the government are not essential and should probably be left shutdown.
REMEMBER: All the parts of governnment that are shutdown right now are parts that the government itself has declared "non-essential".
This is your big chance, everyone. With the freakin' FCC out of action for a bit, you can finally do stuff like; you no longer have to tinkle; you can finally take a piss. Fellatio no longer must be called a trouser friendly kiss...
etc, etc...
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and yes a district of spain had a communist government and it did not have a disaster of any sort till franco invaded and ended the government.
The reason our system allows this so easily is to encourage lawmakers to compromise. Because presumably legislation and programs which have already been passed are likely to be more valuable than new legislation up for consideration. So nobody in their right mind would hold existing programs hostage as a ploy to try to get new programs passed.
Unfortunately, control of the country has fallen into the hands of extremist ideologues. That's what a two party system does - shifts power away from the center and towards the extremists. Take a bell curve and the power (bulk of the mass) is in the center. But split the belt curve down the middle, and the two new centers of mass are now closer to the extremes. Thus this sort of funding brinksmanship in order to push radical ideas is becoming the norm, rather than the exception.
Before:
Verizon: Hey, we're going to make everyone pay to access services other than our own, and throttle Netflix to MODEM speeds. MWAHAHAHAHA!
FCC: Oh, OK, Have fun
After:
Verizon: Hey, we're going to make everyone pay to access services other than our own, and throttle Netflix to MODEM speeds. MWAHAHAHAHA!
FCC: *snore*
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Your loyalty is admirable, yet, you are clearly too intelligent to rally behind this Trump fellow
I am not rallying behind Trump. I have always been, and shall remain, a Libertarian...
What I am laying out is the raw honesty of the tactical situation. Just because Trump has behaved better tactically does not mean I am necessarily for him - I have always wanted both sides to do well, because I want balance.
But the Democrats seem to exhibit zero situational awareness of the optics of the actions they take, and I think all too often are pushed into a frenzy of madness and the wrong corner simply because it happens to be the opposite place Trump has chosen to be...
That is how we find ourselves in a place where many Democrats are proclaiming we should carry on endless war and stay in Syria and Afghanistan! How many would have said that a year ago?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I LIKE freedom, I want all government to shut down, stop stealing money from people, stop redistributing the stolen proceeds, stop controlling people.
You can't handle the truth.
Fuck You. Get Mexico to pay for it, that was the campaign promise.
Also, anyone who pays for something owns that something. Therefore Mexico will own the wall and can do anything they want with it. Anything. Including deciding to not build it.
Oh, guess what? Mexico has already said they do not want a wall and will not pay for one.
3 guys sleeping on their desks, 1 desk empty. One guy says "See? I told you Fred was non-essential".
That's pretty much how I view these shutdowns. The asshats responsible not only get paid on time, with their salon, jacuzzi, steam room, and health benefits. They don't look around afterwards and say "Hmm, these people are non-essential, we got ourselves a budget issue . Mebbe we can do without half of them and save some money."
Theoretically illegal aliens aren't supposed to be able to apply on their own, but in fact about 60% do receive public assistance. Certain states with a lot of illegal immigrants, which are known for being liberal and flouting federal law regarding immigration and drugs, go ahead and hand out the money. Also someone who is legal will apply and have six dependents in their household. The six dependents don't have to be legal.
The trump FCC is basically just increasing profit for the big ISPs right now anyway, so this may be one of the few good things to come out of this debacle.
Consumers and the small ISPs may regain some ground with the FCC down for a while.
2 meter here we come
Excellent, shut it down, then I can freely murder you, and no one can stop me. You free to stop me, but I'm not sure how much you can abandon your job as I slip poison into your children's or wife's food. Should be fun. Maybe I can show up at your business and give them the new law enforcement (protection racket) explanation.
Or maybe you can skip the libertarian/anarchist fantasy.
> My background: I'm a legal immigrant and I actually researched that stuff before immigration, in case I needed it.
Welcome. I bet you thoroughly researched what you're entitled to, what you're supposed to get. Here's the thing - illegal immigrants are not *allowed* to be in the country, yet they are. What they are *allowed* to do and what they actually do are very different. By the very definition of "illegal immigrant".
Quoting from the State of New York web site:
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Whether illegal aliens can obtain state benefits is not clear-cut. The short answer appears to be that they are not legally entitled to most benefits, but do in fact receive them.
A fair interpretation of the federal statute and state regulation must result in the conclusion that illegal aliens should not receive any form of state public assistance. However, illegal aliens do, in fact, receive state public benefits. That's because the burden of determining lawful status in the U.S. is on the shoulders of county social services employees who have neither the legal jurisdiction nor the practical ability to determine one's immigration status. Only an immigration official or federal worker whom the Secretary of Homeland Security has authorized may determine the immigration status of a person in the country.
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> That's up to states, they can't dole out federal money to illegals.
It's unlawful for them to release people who are fugitives from the feds, but they do it. It's official written policy in many places. They "can't" issue cards allowing people to sell illegal drugs, but they do it. It's not lawful to dole out federal money to these same illegal immigrants, but it is common.
Quoting Politifact:
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Cortes said "We have right now ⦠in the state of California, 55 percent of all immigrants are on public assistance."
Thatâ(TM)s true of households but not individual immigrants.
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Here's an interesting study (not an objective source, but reasonable methodology)
https://cis.org/Report/63-NonC...
Society will not shut down just because government shuts down. The police is not what prevents murders, wealth prevents murders and a free society produces more wealth. You are welcome to come and try to kill me of course, nothing would make my day better than another corpse of someone who tried hanging from a post.
You can't handle the truth.
The polarizing nature seems to go through cycles, based on 240 years of history. There are probably ways to dampen it, but the fixes would probably take a Constitutional amendment, which are very difficult to pass. Ridding gerrymandering would help. Let a computer draw district maps or limit the polygons to say 6 lines.
Table-ized A.I.
Are we building a wall in the Bering Sea?
And who, pray tell, would even notice?
It's stupid that our system allows this so easily.
This right here. Other countries have in their constitution that bills of appropriation for government services can not deal with any matter other than appropriation for government services. I.e. you want to fund the wall, it has to be separate from the agreement that keeps the government running.
next to your name, if you are in government you will exempt yourself from the laws you write and enforce against others.
Consider:
[a] The Pelosi and Schumer congress exempted itself from Obamacare. Why do that if it was medical nirvana?
[b] In the era of the military draft, congress protected college kids as supposedly more valuable to society than non-college kids. Most members of congress then made sure their kids stayed in college.
[c] Bill Clinton was not impeached for lying about ice cream - he lied in a sexual harrassment suit against him, not long after advocating for and signing into law a bill that required men to testify truthfully about their entire sexual histories in any sexual harrassment lawsuit (he clearly thought HIS law should not apply to HIM)
These come to mind immediately, but there are countless examples - ones that make Democrats look vile, ones that make Republicans look vile, and ones that make all of them look vile.
Ultimately, these issues are really about undermining one of the most basic principles of Western Civilization: The Magna Carta in which the principle was established that even the king is subject to the laws. Our civilization will not long endure the trashing of this principle - we're currently still functional because the majority of people still hold to the princple and expect it enforced, but if the majority gets to believeing that the principle is forever gone, the elites will have a lot to worry about since they and their fortunes and power cannot survive a true large-scale rebellion by the masses.
Didn't they shut it down by gutting it and putting anti-environment people in charge already?
Remember how Fox News and conservative Slashdotters keep bringing up Obama "learning on the job", or being a mere "community organizer"? And now they unashamedly voted in someone with even worse qualifications? Those Slashdotters should own up and admit they're fucking idiots.
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
LIKE freedom,
Good! So do I!
I want all government to shut down, stop stealing money from people, stop redistributing the stolen proceeds, stop controlling people.
Wait you just said you like freedom. Now you're effectively saying you want to live as a serf under the local warlord or crime boss.
Personally I prefer actual freedom. That requires a government to enforce it.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
We should just close the government. Not sure what the federal government taxes the citizen's of the states and ten gives the money back to the states with conditions. Can't the states just decide how to spend their own money, and leave the federal government to stick to the military and international treaties.
Once again you're confusing what people are supposed to do with what they actually do.
> > Only an immigration official or federal worker whom the Secretary of Homeland Security has authorized may determine the immigration status of a person in the country.
> And these authorized officers check all the federal welfare applications.
There is no "federal welfare application", for most of these programs. Most of the money is administered by the states, received from the federal taxpayers in annual chunks based on how many recipients the state reports. The state reports X milion recipients, and gets Y billion dollars from the feds. States are supposed to check eligibility, but in many states the clerks are barred by state law from actually checking immigration status. In other states, they just don't bother. Government bureaucrats aren't known for excellent work.
>> It's unlawful for them to release people who are fugitives from the feds, but they do it.
> No they don't. Illegal border crossing is a civil infraction in the US, not a felony.
Robbery is a crime. Domestic abuse is a crime. Yet cities release illegal aliens who have already been convicted of these crimes, in violation of ICE detainees. According to acting ICE director Thomas Homan, "among âoe*criminal* aliens that have been released, rather than turned over to ICE, nearly 10,000 have recommitted *another* crimeâ between January 2014 and August 2017".
> So states are not obliged to notify the federal police about it.
Wrong again. 1907. TITLE 8, U.S.C. 1324(A) provides prison sentences of up to 10 years for knowlingly transporting illegal aliens (cities do this by policy), concealing, aiding and abetting, conspiracy to do these things, etc.
Again, we're not talking about what the law says people are *supposed to* do. They aren't *supposed to* BE in the US. By definition we're talking about people who don't follow the law like you do.
The article defines "poor" as basically "entitled to benefits", then looks at only those people. So we learn that a lot of people who are entitled to benefits get benefits. That's amazing! Maybe their next study will find that a lot of people who have a bus pass ride the bus.
What they didn't mention while talking about "poor people" is that people who enter the country illegally are exceedingly likely to be either "poor people" or criminals.
It's my understanding that immigrating legally takes a very, very long time. One reason the wait is so long is because it's based on how many *additional* immigrants the country accepts after the million who enter illegally each year. You would have gotten through much quicker if a million people didn't "cut in front of you in line" by entering illegally. You waited your turn, while watching all those other people skip the line in front of you. I find it interesting that you went through the long and arduous process, yet are so anxious to make stuff up to defend the people who skipped in front of you. If I were you, I'd might pissed at those people, thinking "I've been waiting, get in the back of the line like I did and wait your turn".
Fuck off with your 'both sides' bullshit. The only ones using the government shutdown as a weapon have been the Republicans.
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
>"It's stupid that our system allows this so easily."
Agreed. And if something is shut down, then it should mean just that- nobody gets paid. Not now and not later. Closing services and then turning around and PAYING everyone for having done no work is crazy. And that includes Congress, President, etc. Being ACTUALLY unpaid after the new year would surely motivate them to pass a budget.
>"It should have a cruise control mode that funds at existing levels until budget agreements are made."
Better yet, it should also be coupled with a balanced budget amendment so that it is impossible to spend more than is taken in. Period. Budget exceeds revenue? Flat percent spending cut across the board automatically. Either spend less, tax more, or some combination of both.
How would we know the FCC was suspending most ops???
Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
To be you!
And you can fuck off with your partisan bullshit. A shutdown occurs when an agreement over spending can't be made. It takes both Republicans and Democrats to make that happen. You only blame Republicans because you agree with Democrats spending habits.
No, I blame Republicans because they are to blame.
Is a lobotomy required these days to be a Republican?
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
If the FCC shuts down, maybe the TV networks will clean up their act. I'm tired of seeing all that wrinkly ol' cleavage on TV (grossly unprofessional), not to mention the local news anchors & reporters with the over-inflated Inflate-A-Bras (more gross unprofessionalism). TV has become a total whorish shitshow.
No, we blame republicans for the stupid fucking wall idea. And then saying Mexico will pay for it. And then saying shit we gotta pay for it.
Wealth prevents murdere LOL.
Tell that to OJ Simpson. Tell that to that Debian guy. Tell that to all the rich people who either committed murder or who have been murdered.
What a shithole the USA has become kn the last 30 years. SAD.
"Give us your tired and your poor"
FUCK YOU. You are a traitor to the freedom of your own country. Fuck you pussy fag!
I think you mean to claim the State of New York is lying when they say that they are sending out welfare checks to illegal aliens. And Politifact is lying when they confirmed it, in your imagination. And the State of California was lying in 2016 when they passed a bill allowing illegal aliens to receive state benefits. And the census bureau is lying in their Survey of Income and Program Participation, according to your wish. Again, from the State of New York web site nicely explains the situation in most states (California being the exception since they've passed laws actually allowing some and or preventing workers from checking immigration status in other cases):
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Whether illegal aliens can obtain state benefits is not clear-cut. The short answer appears to be that they are not legally entitled to most benefits, but do in fact receive them.
A fair interpretation of the federal statute and state regulation must result in the conclusion that illegal aliens should not receive any form of state public assistance. However, illegal aliens do, in fact, receive state public benefits. That's because the burden of determining lawful status in the U.S. is on the shoulders of county social services employees who have neither the legal jurisdiction nor the practical ability to determine one's immigration status. Only an immigration official or federal worker whom the Secretary of Homeland Security has authorized may determine the immigration status of a person in the country.
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You can have a look at the Census Bureau study, the Survey of Income and Program Participation, for yourself if you'd like, rather than fervently arguing whatever some comedian told you on late night TV, without having idea clue whether what the comedian told you has any basis in reality.
Your other responses have some nice backtracking, but this is outright wrong still:
Got it, you don't think they should shut down the parks. I mean, they will, because they do every shutdown
If you were paying attention you'd know they haven't shut down most outdoor parks.
So not EVERY shutdown.
But this is just a "why". It's not happening yet cause there's still a little cash left in those accounts.
Wrong, if they still had money they'd be providing services but they are not. They just aren't manning the parks right now.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Wealth prevents murdere LOL.
Well he's not wrong, but not in the way he thinks. Wealth does prevent murder... when he hands some of his wealth to the local mafia for protection (they probably call themselves security services or some other euphemism). Instead of elected officials, it's your local warlord or mafia boss.
Isn't that just like government and taxation? Well yes.
Reality is you can't really shut government down. Ever. Because wherever society crops up, a government of some kind will also pop up.
At least the people of my neighborhood will have great commercial free music and drunken ramblings to listen to!
his name is Martin ESPINOZA. His name might as well be Spicky McSpicksalot. He's a mexican hating mexican.
Last time I checked, it was always the republicunts blathering on about "mandates from the masses" yet since it's not working out for you this time, it's suddenly a meaningless metric. Fuck off.
here let me hit you with a liberal favorite "It doesn't mean the same thing anymore"
Pretty sure I've heard that from you constitution haters. Eat a fat bowl of dicks and see me in the streets. 7230 S Las Vegas BLVD
I withdraw the part my other response to this post that agrees the parks are staying open. You are just 100% wrong. The link I used in that post referenced Joshua Tree. It just shut down. Looks like even Trump's express change to policy couldn't survive contact with reality. Shocking.
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Please? someone listen to us?
This country is too great to have treasonous frauds shutting it down on a bullshit-supported whim. It's time to deal with the coward-in-chief, once and for all. Make America GREAT Again, GET RID OF THE TRAITOR.