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FCC To Suspend Most Operations Thursday if the Partial Government Shutdown Continues (fcc.gov)
The Federal Communications Commission will suspend most operations in the middle of the day January 3 if the partial government shutdown continues, the agency has announced [PDF]. In a statement, it said: In the event of a continued partial lapse in federal government funding, the Federal Communications Commission will suspend most operations in the middle of the day on Thursday, January 3. At that time, employees will have up to four hours to complete an orderly shutdown of operations. However, work required for the protection of life and property will continue, as will any work related to spectrum auctions, which is funded by auction proceeds. In addition, the Office of the Inspector General will continue operations until further notice. The Commission on Wednesday will release a Public Notice detailing the effects the suspension of operations will have, including on electronic filing and database systems, filing deadlines, regulatory and application fee payments, transaction shot clocks, and more. The Public Notice will be available on the Commission's website, www.fcc.gov.
Look at those list of qualifications for the things that are not really shut down.
Basically "anything that is really at all useful carries on".
That's just for the FCC but the general trend carries across the whole government.
For just one example - you can still update passports... and most national parks are still open.
I think this shutdown may last a while, because I 'm not sure there's much pain that most non-government people will see...
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Firing up my pirate transmitter. Tune into 6925KHz.
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What shall we do without our precious FCC? How can we end this madness? How long can we live with this horrific government shutdown?
In all seriousness, it's just politics as usual. The 'scary' government shutdown can go on for months for all I care.
break out the uncut R-rated movies in primetime for sweeps!
In all seriousness, it's just politics as usual. The 'scary' government shutdown can go on for months for all I care.
Pretty obvious you don't work for the fed in a non-essential position. Nor do I, so it won't make much of a difference personally, but I'd imagine the general instability of not having a paycheck would absolutely suck.
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Why should they? Donald Trump said Mexico would pay for it.
Just fund the wall that Americans want and need. Stop serving the interests of Mexico, Russia, and China.
Those countries don't care whether we have a wall or not. Mexico is fine with the wall, as long as we don't expect them to pay for it.
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But "useful" is a matter of degree and timing. For example, Federal permits are often required for various business activities. Many of those are being postponed, meaning businesses have to wait. It can muck up schedules, hurting profits.
I'm sure you have a personal "to do" list, and many of those items can be postponed some without much problem, but after a while it will catch up to you and cause direct problems.
But toiletry and garbage-related maintenance is on hold. I shouldn't have to explain the details of those downsides.
It's stupid that our system allows this so easily. It should have a cruise control mode that funds at existing levels until budget agreements are made. Stop throwing monkey wrenches into our civilization; I LIKE civilization. It seems many don't. Let's not #MakeCavesGreatAgain.
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Haven't you heard? Mexico is already paying for the wall. They're just doing it with money taken out of US taxpayers' pockets.
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The only reason Trump wants a wall is so he has a symbol of "something he did" (worthless as it is by itself anyway...) "against the migrants" - hoping as he does that it will overshadow his treason and decades in prison.
If it even 1/4 built by the time Trump dies in prison, assuming at all, I'll enjoy going down there and turning it into a modern art installation since it has no value as a barrier against migrants anyway. It's a moron's best idea.
Worthless. Shutting down the government over it is just Trump realizing he's got nothing else to do but wait for Mueller to cut his dick off and throw it in prison.
I know we're all supposed to be angry at democrats/republicans ( depending on your allegiance of course ), but I just can't bring myself to be upset about the shutdown, or this particular aspect of it. Perhaps we should consider making this a more permanent state of affairs?
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
The 'scary' government shutdown can go on for months for all I care.
Well, the silver lining here is that one way or other we'll find out whether there really are any intolerable side effects, because it looks like this is going to drag on indefinitely.
Every past time this has been done it's been Congress who started it, and at the first twinge of pain they've chickened out. But in this case nobody has much political incentive to do anything. Trump and his aides have recklessly taken credit for the shutdown before it even happened, which means he'll look weak if he compromises. But by the same token, Congress escapes the lion's share of the blame for any pain that (hypothetically) results.
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I'm sure Verizon will advance you some cash... (sigh)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Yeah, well us paying for it is still better than no wall.
Speak for yourself, or better yet, pony up on the gofundme and leave the rest of us out of it.
Also, we could easily make Mexico pay for it by not giving them anymore money.
Cool, so do that then and quit monkeywrenching.
If you like your Mexico paid for the wall, you can keep your Mexico paid for the wall.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Oh, traditional communism. How about that. But how long can we expect them to keep that up?
Like I said, consequence is relative and time-related. Just because you can postpone something doesn't mean it has no consequence. I can postpone dental visits for a year or so, but if I never went to a dentist, I'd probably have screwy or missing teeth. (Then again, some rural people seem to view such as a badge of honor for reasons that escape me.)
Whether the gov't is too big or too small in general is probably another debate for another time. Let's try to focus on specifics here. And nobody agrees on what parts are too big. The military is too is big by some accounts, I would note.
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Just fund the wall that Americans want and need.
Sigh. Anonymous Coward - Over and over and over and over and OVER again, Trump made it clear that MEXICO was going to pay for the wall. He made it clear that his fantastic negotiating skills will make that a reality.
All we're doing is holding him to his promise.
A promise *every* Trump supporter repeated back to me throughout 2016 and a lot of 2017.
Is that so hard? All he has to do is do what he said: Head to Mexico, and return with a check for $40 Billion dollars for the wall.
The only reason Trump wants a wall
I thought it was "slats" now? Whatever those are.
70% of people polled don't want to pay for Trump's 2000 mile long penis extension. "Do you think maybe he's compensating for something?" -- Shrek
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Most of the fentanyl from China is mailed directly into the US, but thanks for playing!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Largely because they're using funds left over. The Smithsonian, for instance, will close on the 2nd or 3rd of Jan IIRC because of lack of funds. I imagine the national parks will close as well.
All the outdoor parks and memorials will remain open because there's no need to close them. Trees keep growing, rivers keep flowing...
Just wait. All those school trips to the Smithsonian will start kicking in sometime after the holiday break, and you'll see stories of disappointed kids in the news.
Disappointed children from the richest counties in the nation is press that helps Trump though, so it will quickly die off.
The best possible scenario here is for Trump to do zip, he gets massive bad press
And here is where you discover exactly why it's super bad to have journalists deliver massive bad press on a subject 24x7 - because when the subject does deserve it, absolutely no-one pays attention or cares.
both parties come together to over-ride his veto.
That is actually what Trump is hoping for and would assure him a 20/20 victory. Funny how many people that hate Trump so badly, seem to take steps to ensure him achieving whatever victory he desires...
If they had just quietly paid for the wall they could have plastered him with the failure of it in 2020. Here's a big 'ol tactical clue for Democrats: Half-assed wall is way better for the Democrats than zero wall. Trump has got more benefit out of a fictional wall than Pink Floyd!
Some people claim that True is playing eight-dimensional chess. I think he's just an average guy who managed to work his way into the kingdom of the sub-level morons.
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Why are the executive branch and congress still receiving full pay and benefits?
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
RIP, George Carlin!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Trump doesn't seem to understand that we are responsible for a good portion of the civil wars and political unrest that they're escaping from. We fund whichever side suits our current administrations interests. Just look at Iran/Contra. We were selling weapons to Iran to support the contra's. I still think North was a scapegoat, he may have been involved but not to the extent they made it out to be.
Cowardly idiots want a wall. Of course, you might be on to something -- the American public is full of cowardly idiots who have accepted bullshit like "papers please" when flying, increasingly intrusive security at public venues, idiotically harsh laws, etc.
actually does anything worthwhile.
Corporatism != Free Market
As an amateur radio licensee, this kind of pisses me off because this will cause a huge back log of new licensee applications and new hams will have to wait longer for their call sign. To me, communications are critical. The Federal Bureaucracy is so bloated, surely there is an agency that is much lower down the food chain that would not be so mission critical.
There are pictures. We will see if the rumor is true that it would not even make it past the teeth
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Walls are pretty easy to get around / under / over / through. I am not sure that a wall will really solve all of americas immigration problems.
Luckily, the second aspect of trumps plan, making america a shitty place to live, is more likely to affect people choosing to move there. Mission accomplished i guess?
As a potential lottery winner, I totally support tax cuts for the wealthy
Nope. I aint payin for some bullshit metal slats in the middle of the fucking desert. Fuck that. No, FUCK that.
No money from Mexico, no wall. That was the promise, which has now been exposed as just another lie from trump to his brain dead supporters.
Keep it closed until he leaves office or gets impeached for all I care. trumptards can suck on this one. It's their own fault for voting for loser trump.
trump's administration is so corrupt and ineffectual that the government might as well be closed anyway.
CC To Suspend Most Operations Thursday
And given the current FCC leadership, nothing of value was lost.
Better known as 318230.
But over time you can't expect federal workers in "essential" positions to continue working without pay.
All actually essential functions would receive emergency funding if truly needed, even if the workers did not take advantage of the many free loan options they have. Remember they are still going to receive all the pay they would have had they been working, so those loans are paid back as soon as the shutdown is over.
Do taxes stop being collected? No? Well then the government actually has money to pay whoever it likes, doesn't it?
Oh and it the reason the coast guard got money at all was Trump intervened to make that happen...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
In all seriousness, it's just politics as usual. The 'scary' government shutdown can go on for months for all I care.
As one opinion piece I saw today said, it's rather disturbing how Americans now see a government shutdown as a commonly-used political tool instead of the crisis of governance that it used to be.
I aint payin for some bullshit metal slats in the middle of the fucking desert. Fuck that. No, FUCK that.
No money from Mexico, no wall. That was the promise, which has now been exposed as just another lie from trump to his brain dead supporters.
Keep it closed until he leaves office or gets impeached for all I care. trumptards can suck on this one. It's their own fault for voting for loser trump.
trump's administration is so corrupt and ineffectual that the government might as well be closed anyway.
What I want to know is, why do trump and his trumptards hate America so much that they would sell us all out to the Russians?
LOL@vword: TIMBER yep, you said it...humpty trumpty is falling down, tiimmmmmmmberrrrr
...the PUBLIC wants a wall...
The polls I've seen, a.k.a. reality, disagree.
Even if Mexico *were* to pay for it, the Trump Administration would need authorization from Congress because that's how the Constitution works. If Trump finds 5 billion bucks in the White House sofa cushions he couldn't just spend it; it'd have to go into the treasury and await appropriation, just like taxpayer money.
In every democracy I know of the legislature passes an annual budget which sets spending limits and priorities. It then creates authorizing legislation that creates or continues programs which spend the money. Finally it passes some kind of appropriation legislation which allows the money to actually be spent. Appropriation is the final step that allows the legislature to tweak exactly where the budgeted money goes.
In most countries failure to pass an appropriation bill requires the government to resign and call general elections, so it seldom happens. In the US this is not the case, but until around 1980, appropriations bills never failed. After 1980 frequency of appropriations bill failures have gradually increased, but the issues have always been things like tax increases or disagreements over whether budgeted and authorized spending should actually go forth.
This is the first government shutdown in US history where the objective was to spend money that was never budgeted.
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Seems to me a perfectly workable compromise could exist here. Trump could agree to no additional funding for the wall, while the Democrats could agree to redirect all social services spending (i.e. food stamps, housing assistance, education funding, medical assistance, etc.) currently being spent on people here illegally, being spent instead on building a wall and repatriating those not here lawfully.
Otherwise knows as the American Republic. It has three branches of government rather than one and no branch by itself gets to change the course of the country. That is by design and while it's imperfect it has prevented the rise of totalitarian leaders.
In order for a leader to push through major changes he is or she must have either the overwhelming support of the American people, or a strong coalition of allies. Building a coalition is hard work and requires compromise. The president does not have the popular support necessary to force through his agenda and neither he or his party are willing to compromise.
I do not block ads. I do block third party scripts.
It may be lack of democracy and free speech. Totalitarians treat citizens as expendable pawns because they can; they won't be voted out. Besides, I said "traditional communism", not Soviet-style.
You are focusing on one narrow aspect of the military. Further, it's not so much there's a withdrawal, it's that the administration has not laid out plans for what to do if say ISIS or Taliban raise up again. If their plan is "just live with them", at least say so openly and honestly. They didn't ask for feedback from allies and citizens, and had no public discussion on such points.
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My guess is you never knew anything the FCC actually did, so you have no idea.
I do, but apparently you did not since your claim requires stating what is important they are not continuing operations on.
Except the EPA isn't monitoring pollution
Companies are still legally responsible for pollution so it's not like they are doing to start while monitoring is suspended.
the FDA isn't approving drugs
Fake News, applications still being processed.
Social Security is shut down (if you're on it you keep getting checks, but you cannot get on it)
Fake news, that kind of bullshit only happens under Democrats who want you to think the government is more important than it is or in fact stoppable. Applications will be processed, just with some delay.
you can still update passports...
At consulates, not everywhere.
More fake news, can mail a passport in from anywhere to get renewed or apply at any USPS office
For a guy whose handle claims they always RTFA that is a LOT of background reading you did not do before throwing out a lot of unfounded assertions!!!!
Most national parks have some pre-shutdown funding still available. They'll all be closed if this keeps going on
Takes money to shut down most parks. Why even close them? The stuff Obama did was just plain mean, like putting barricades around national monuments you could just walk up to. None of that happening this time.
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All actually essential functions would receive emergency funding if truly needed,
I'm wondering where you think that emergency funding will come from. The Constitutional mechanism we're dealing with here is that the Executive Branch can't spend money without legislative approval. Now you may be able to pull some treasury sleight of hand to move approved spending to specific purposes, but in the US treasury functions are also tightly controlled by Congress (e.g. securitizing debts).
That's what DHS has done with the Coast Guard; it's searched under the sofa cushions and found already appropriated money to pay the last paycheck of the year. Trump can't simply order DHS to continue paying the Coasties indefinitely; he doesn't have the authority.
Finally, there is no guarantee that furloughed federal workers will receive anything, although in the past it has been customary to award them back pay, that's a norm not a rule. In fact Trump has floated the idea of using money "saved" by the shutdown to pay for the wall.
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It may be lack of democracy and free speech. Totalitarians treat citizens as expendable pawns
Yes, that's what I said, communists.
Besides, I said "traditional communism", not Soviet-style.
Oh no you don't.
Name ONE COMMUNIST COUNTRY, of any form, that has not brought about vast ecological disaster.
You are focusing on one narrow aspect of the military.
Whatever, warmonger. I was for getting out of Afghanistan (and Syria) before Trump was even a thing.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
No, Trump lost the popular vote. No candidate won that and even among the losers, Trump was behind Clinton.
By will of the people, Trump lost and basically weaseled his way in on a technicality AGAINST the will of the people.
Now you may be able to pull some treasury sleight of hand to move approved spending to specific purposes,
Bingo.
Finally, there is no guarantee that furloughed federal workers will receive anything
Wrong. The fix is in.
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this stops the FCC from destroying more of America.
NOW, ideally, it is time to EPA to announce a shutdown, at least at the top.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Which is better, canceling your vacation while nothing's happening
Cancelling your vacation to make something happen, before everyone else in the whole federal government gets back from vacation...
That is what was so despicable about what Democrats did, they did not even TRY to resolve anything during this week, ensuring the shutdown would affect everyone in the weeks ahead instead of mostly not being an issue because of the holiday.
That is why it's the Democrats looking like a fat, angry toddlers here... imagine how low you have become when Trump looks like the adult in the room. That is what has happened here, and it was something the Democrats did to themselves.
Trump at work while the Democrats play...
Remember, these were the first government shutdowns every to happen while one party controlled both congress and the White House.
Here is where you fail to think strategically - the shutdowns happened after Democrats won a large election. That is what people mostly think, despite the fact the new house members don't start until the new year.
The Republicans also all voted for the spending bill; if just ten democrats had supported it would have passed. Not to mention we had the meeting with Trump and the Democrats leaders where the whole country saw plainly it was between Trump and the Democrats, the Republicans are out o the mental picture (control or no).
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Polls are BS. We had an election
And the election proved that polls are BS
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Fentanyl doses are measured in micrograms. The street price of fentanyl amounts to about $1600 per gram. If you wanted to smuggle a million dollars of fentanyl past the wall you could just hand it through one of the fence slats or toss it over the wall. Or hide it in one of the millions of tons of cargo that are shipped into the US.
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Trump lost the popular vote
Means nothing. Who is sitting in the White House today? QED.
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You know, such a thing as a "deep state" actually does exist. More in places like Egypt and Pakistan than the US, but it's a matter of degree.
However, the deep state has nothing to fuck to do with this situation, which is an impasse between elected officials.
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That... after the liberal left demanded to know where the funding would come from and forced him to find an answer that wouldn't immediately impact the taxpayers. No political applicant would state that in the middle of a campaign.
Only the "liberal left?"
Fact check Anonymous Coward: During ANY election where a candidate proposes new spending, they have to explain where the funding will come from.
For example, in the 2016 campaign, when Hillary Clinton proposed free tuition to state colleges for families earning under $125K she outlined exactly how the USA would pay for it (via changes to the tax code.)
This is your big chance, everyone. With the freakin' FCC out of action for a bit, you can finally do stuff like; you no longer have to tinkle; you can finally take a piss. Fellatio no longer must be called a trouser friendly kiss...
etc, etc...
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Pick up a case of Baofengs while they last.
Have gnu, will travel.
I would be willing to bet that if he closed off the Southern Border for an extended period of time, Mexico would be more than willing to negotiate payments for said wall.
Quite a bit of money flows back into Mexico's economy from legal / illegals working here in the US.
You cut that cash flow off and they'll change their tune in a hurry.
The reason our system allows this so easily is to encourage lawmakers to compromise. Because presumably legislation and programs which have already been passed are likely to be more valuable than new legislation up for consideration. So nobody in their right mind would hold existing programs hostage as a ploy to try to get new programs passed.
Unfortunately, control of the country has fallen into the hands of extremist ideologues. That's what a two party system does - shifts power away from the center and towards the extremists. Take a bell curve and the power (bulk of the mass) is in the center. But split the belt curve down the middle, and the two new centers of mass are now closer to the extremes. Thus this sort of funding brinksmanship in order to push radical ideas is becoming the norm, rather than the exception.
Before:
Verizon: Hey, we're going to make everyone pay to access services other than our own, and throttle Netflix to MODEM speeds. MWAHAHAHAHA!
FCC: Oh, OK, Have fun
After:
Verizon: Hey, we're going to make everyone pay to access services other than our own, and throttle Netflix to MODEM speeds. MWAHAHAHAHA!
FCC: *snore*
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Oh and just as a reminder, all Presidents lie, not just Republicans.
Most recent case in point, a few from Obama off the top of my head:
His promise to close Guantanamo.
Went on Jay Leno and proclaimed " There is no spying on Americans " after the Snowden revelations.
If you like your doctor / healthcare plan, you can keep them.
Moral of this story: Presidents can promise you anything, the problem is people keep believing it.
Just fund the wall that Americans want and need.
Sigh. Anonymous Coward - Over and over and over and over and OVER again, Trump made it clear that MEXICO was going to pay for the wall. He made it clear that his fantastic negotiating skills will make that a reality.
All we're doing is holding him to his promise.
A promise *every* Trump supporter repeated back to me throughout 2016 and a lot of 2017.
Is that so hard? All he has to do is do what he said: Head to Mexico, and return with a check for $40 Billion dollars for the wall.
It's not even that. Just because Trump ran on the idea of the wall doesn't mean the Democrats need to give him a wall for nothing. In addition to electing Trump voters also elected Democrats in the Senate and those Senators needs to agree to wall funding, just like Obama needed GOP support for many of his policies.
And Democrats were actually willing to give Trump $25 billion in wall funding, which he desperately wanted, in exchange for DACA, which Trump also claimed to have wanted.
Of course Trump took all of 2 minutes to break his word and blow up that deal also
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Fact check: Only partway through his campaign did he mention that Mexico would fund it. That wasn't an initial campaign promise only the "wall" was. That... after the liberal left demanded to know where the funding would come from and forced him to find an answer that wouldn't immediately impact the taxpayers.
Asking how you intend to pay for your signature campaign promise.
A classic gotcha question.
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Well, the argument he's using is that the new Nafta deal is better for US to the tune of 1 Border Wall.
A dubious claim, but no more than the idea that tax cuts for private jet owners qualify as "tax reform".
If you squint and look sideways at it, it can appear that he kept his promises, and that's all Fox News needs to spin it to the maga-hats.
Your loyalty is admirable, yet, you are clearly too intelligent to rally behind this Trump fellow
I am not rallying behind Trump. I have always been, and shall remain, a Libertarian...
What I am laying out is the raw honesty of the tactical situation. Just because Trump has behaved better tactically does not mean I am necessarily for him - I have always wanted both sides to do well, because I want balance.
But the Democrats seem to exhibit zero situational awareness of the optics of the actions they take, and I think all too often are pushed into a frenzy of madness and the wrong corner simply because it happens to be the opposite place Trump has chosen to be...
That is how we find ourselves in a place where many Democrats are proclaiming we should carry on endless war and stay in Syria and Afghanistan! How many would have said that a year ago?
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And as the other AC points out, we'll be paying for them AND the useless wall if Trump gets his way. The cost of the illegals is irrelevant to this discussion because they will be here with or without the wall.
As for the drugs, those come in by submarine, tunnels, and catapult. The wall won't do much for any of those routes.
So, time for Trump to fulfill the whole promise and get Mexico to pay for it if he wants it so bad. Otherwise, if you want it so bad, pony up.
Trump could agree to no additional funding for the wall, while the Democrats could agree to redirect all social services spending (i.e. food stamps, housing assistance, education funding, medical assistance, etc.) currently being spent on people here illegally, being spent instead on building a wall and repatriating those not here lawfully.
Illegal aliens don't get foodstamps or housing assistance. The only medical care they can get is Medicaid for pregnant women giving birth in the US.
Education is paid for by local taxes (usually property and sales) which illegal immigrants pay almost always. And anyway the US has to provide secondary education to everybody.
A milk jug full of pure fentanyl is enough to give a hit to every junkie in the US. That's how powerful it is.
His promise to close Guantanamo.
And he tried to do that. The craven Congress denied him funds for that.
Not really, they are paid to fulfill him.
How about tell Trump to go fuck himself and watch as Democrats use their subpoena power to do some real investigations not involving Hillary's emails.
Mexico's not that fucking stupid to pay for a wall. Only certain idiots would think they would.
I'll bet you even more that he doesn't have a clue how to close off the Southern border.
LOL, Trump in 2018 averaged 15 lies a day. Unfortunately for him it's all in his tweets for the world to see.
3 guys sleeping on their desks, 1 desk empty. One guy says "See? I told you Fred was non-essential".
That's pretty much how I view these shutdowns. The asshats responsible not only get paid on time, with their salon, jacuzzi, steam room, and health benefits. They don't look around afterwards and say "Hmm, these people are non-essential, we got ourselves a budget issue . Mebbe we can do without half of them and save some money."
I'm reporting on the gofundme, "We The People Will Fund The Wall":
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The gofundme crowdsourcing page is at 14 million dollars at this writing (12/21/2018 @ 11:24 PM CST), contributed by 227,989 people over 5 days.
Doing a linear extrapolation, it will take 357 days to reach the goal of 1 billion dollars, and 16.4 million people
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That's fuzzy math because the sample size is very small. So far, the average donation is $61.40.
Gofundme gets 2.9% of the total funds raised plus 30 cents per donation.
That's $29,000,000 plus (assuming 16.4 million donations) $4,920,000 for a total of $33,920,000.
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12-29-2018, 11:04 AM
Goal $1,000,000,000
Current Donations $18,060,906
Current People 297,520
Current Days 12
People/Day 24,793
Donations/Day $1,505,076
Days Til Goal 664
People Til Goal 197,677,791
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Today, 12-31-2018, 9:34 PM
Goal $1,000,000,000
Current Donations 18,495,710
Current People 305,416
Current Days 14
People/Day 21,815
Donations/Day $1,321,122
Days Til Goal 757
People Til Goal 231,179,230
Average donation has moved to $60.50.
So, good luck with that shit.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
GLHF Hope you come up with something so these years of screaming don't make you guys look stupid..
I think you'd be quick to find that, if we didn't have an FCC, there would be plenty of people who simply jammed radio stations to be an asshole. The same kind of people who see a blank wall and aren't happy until it's covered with graffiti or deface a website just to brag about defacing it. Destruction for the sake of destruction. People get off on weird things....
Theoretically illegal aliens aren't supposed to be able to apply on their own, but in fact about 60% do receive public assistance. Certain states with a lot of illegal immigrants, which are known for being liberal and flouting federal law regarding immigration and drugs, go ahead and hand out the money. Also someone who is legal will apply and have six dependents in their household. The six dependents don't have to be legal.
Like a mythical wall in the desert?
Not tea bag of a plan there. You know the humanitarians will get in a hussy fit over it.
This post is serving the interests of Russia encouraging an easy swayed president that ends up taking orders from far right (to the point of nut jobs) talk show hosts
Here's food for thought:
It took the Nazis 10 years to round up and murder 6-8 million people. They had the full force of the Gestapo and local police to enforce their will. They didn't have to bother with courts or any such rule of law nonsense.They also had the help of government records, in both Germany and in the lands they conquered/annexed. And yet it still took them 10 years.
What you are proposing eclipses that in scope of people and area. So good luck, you will need to turn American into the Fourth Reich to achieve it and it will still take you over a decade.
I love morons who suggest closing the Department of Energy. Do you have any idea what they actually manage? Hint, it is NOT something you want turned over to a university, EVER.
And no, most of those departments exist to handle when shit crosses state lines. Because guess what, the Constitution EXPLICITLY forbids states from doing interstate economic agreements, it was a major reason it was created at all.
Interstate Highway system and National parks asays Transportation and Interior stay. Maybe can get rid of education. Commerce? Forget it, that's one that is again explicitly ceded to the Feds.
> My background: I'm a legal immigrant and I actually researched that stuff before immigration, in case I needed it.
Welcome. I bet you thoroughly researched what you're entitled to, what you're supposed to get. Here's the thing - illegal immigrants are not *allowed* to be in the country, yet they are. What they are *allowed* to do and what they actually do are very different. By the very definition of "illegal immigrant".
Quoting from the State of New York web site:
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Whether illegal aliens can obtain state benefits is not clear-cut. The short answer appears to be that they are not legally entitled to most benefits, but do in fact receive them.
A fair interpretation of the federal statute and state regulation must result in the conclusion that illegal aliens should not receive any form of state public assistance. However, illegal aliens do, in fact, receive state public benefits. That's because the burden of determining lawful status in the U.S. is on the shoulders of county social services employees who have neither the legal jurisdiction nor the practical ability to determine one's immigration status. Only an immigration official or federal worker whom the Secretary of Homeland Security has authorized may determine the immigration status of a person in the country.
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> That's up to states, they can't dole out federal money to illegals.
It's unlawful for them to release people who are fugitives from the feds, but they do it. It's official written policy in many places. They "can't" issue cards allowing people to sell illegal drugs, but they do it. It's not lawful to dole out federal money to these same illegal immigrants, but it is common.
Quoting Politifact:
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Cortes said "We have right now ⦠in the state of California, 55 percent of all immigrants are on public assistance."
Thatâ(TM)s true of households but not individual immigrants.
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Here's an interesting study (not an objective source, but reasonable methodology)
https://cis.org/Report/63-NonC...
Mexico bought $250 Billion worth of American goods and services last year alone.
Thousands upon thousands of American jobs depend on selling things to Mexico,
You want to end that trade and kill those jobs for what?
They definitely get free medical care at emergency rooms. I have a friend who works at the local public hospital, and she says most of the emergency room traffic and many admitted patients are illegals.
Also, Nashville schools give all students free lunch, and many are illegals. I know kids who are illegal- born in Mexico but raised here from a young age.
Yes, illegals get government benefits. Sorry.
Do you have ESP?
You are really wound up. You just sit in your basement and shake with rage don't you?
The polls were BS because people were ashamed to admit who they were voting for.
The polarizing nature seems to go through cycles, based on 240 years of history. There are probably ways to dampen it, but the fixes would probably take a Constitutional amendment, which are very difficult to pass. Ridding gerrymandering would help. Let a computer draw district maps or limit the polygons to say 6 lines.
Table-ized A.I.
I would be willing to bet that if he closed off the Southern Border for an extended period of time, Mexico would be more than willing to negotiate payments for said wall.
Yeah but then how would Donald Trump sell his stuff? I mean most of it is made in Mexico.
And who, pray tell, would even notice?
It's stupid that our system allows this so easily.
This right here. Other countries have in their constitution that bills of appropriation for government services can not deal with any matter other than appropriation for government services. I.e. you want to fund the wall, it has to be separate from the agreement that keeps the government running.
The Democrats can't do anything about this as both the senate and the house are Republican controlled. It's not until Thursday when a new congress is sworn in that Democrats take control of the house. The last 2 weeks Trump has been blaming Democrats for not funding the wall when it fact it's been the Republicans.
Umm...you do intend to retire some day, yes? Are you aware the U.S. is generating new people at below the replacement rate which means that when you retire, you can count on reduced benefits, including Medicare and SS? One way out of this dilemma is to welcome immigrants into the country. They want to come here, they want to work. It would be the Christian thing to do...errr...that is if you are not an Evangelical.
Ok but...
Counterpoint: Introducing nazis into the discussion may not be the thread-winning strategy you think it is.
How about the Democrats give Trump and this Representative Democracy Constitutional Republic of The United States of America its proper US Constitution Article IV Section 4 protection against invasion (and protection again resultant violence on domestic US ground when the illegals use force against US border security)?
You know why no one has built a wall previously? Why the GOP still isn't actually willing to give up meaningful concessions to the Democrats in exchange for wall funding?
Because a wall isn't actually an effective use of funds to keep out illegal immigrants and protect US security. It's a good campaign slogan since it's a simple concept, but reality gets more complicated.
Yes, for all the clammoring about "our Democracy", it's designed as REPRESENTATIVE and therefore a Republic.
What's your point?
Mexico isn't going to pay for the wall directly, but after it's built there is always Trump (and future presidents) MASSIVELY TARRIFING all items Product of Mexico or even Made in Mexico imported into the US.
Trade wars are more complicated than that. Trying to extort money from another nation does not end well, if for no other reason than other countries rightfully see your behaviour as a threat and find ways not to make it worth your while.
ICE and the US Border Patrol are insufficient in number and weaponry, the US military shouldn't need to have to defend the border as a backup against a mass threat of invasion (an approching caravan)
Wow, you almost made me split my tea over my keyboard.
We as a nation also, plain and simple, don't need Democrats fighting incrementally and aggressively for a PURE Democracy when even STATES operate as Republics (Assembly, Senate, Governor, note all state laws are by popular vote only),
Rant about one thing at a time.
Trump should ideally start jailing the resisting Democrats for US Constitutional violations...
Well this post sure started out batshit crazy and then went downhill.
But then, liberals would accuse Trump of fascism
Accuse him of fascism for jailing political opponents?!? How unfair!!!
Constitution of the United States of America (as required in Article II Section 1 Oath of Office) especially pertaining to Article IV Section 4.
Do you think if you cite things specifically enough that we'll believe you over all the real constitutional scholars?
often relying on their honor to comply with the laws.
Whatever the hell that means.
Yeah, right. It's long overdue to not allow DACA, DREAM, or even asylum to otherwise illegal aliens of any nation (not just Mexico) unless a proven life-threatening reason exists... and even then they shouldn't get EXPRESS priviliege toward citizenship.
Yeah, someone has to get rid of those kids who sometimes didn't even realize they weren't born in the US!
I stole this Sig
Remember how Fox News and conservative Slashdotters keep bringing up Obama "learning on the job", or being a mere "community organizer"? And now they unashamedly voted in someone with even worse qualifications? Those Slashdotters should own up and admit they're fucking idiots.
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
Umm...you do intend to retire some day, yes? Are you aware the U.S. is generating new people at below the replacement rate which means that when you retire, you can count on reduced benefits, including Medicare and SS?
Is there any information you leftist get right? We're generating new people below replacement, but we are importing 1,000,000 per year. As far as I know this is the largest amount of legal immigration on Earth.
But hey, good job cherry picking a detail and leaving out the associated details so it appears you are correct. Lying by omission is lying.
Most illegal immigration occurs via ports of call or other sources than the southern border.
Once again, you shortsighted asshole, just because a point of entry isn't the LARGEST entry point doesn't mean you don't benefit by securing it.
If 3 robbers will come in through the door and two will come in through the window, locking the window still reduces the number of robbers who will get in the house.. See how that works?
Even if Mexico *were* to pay for it, the Trump Administration would need authorization from Congress because that's how the Constitution works.
What the fuck are you blathering about? If Mexico pays for it, Trump does not need Congressional approval.. He's not spending US money. Do you need congressional approval to spend your paycheck? No? Yeah, I'm pretty sure Mexico doesn't need US Congressional approval to spend their own money.
Trump would need approval to spend taxpayer funds..Mexico could spend their money however the fuck they wanted to. If they said "this is for a wall" then Trump could spend it on a wall. It's not a gift to the general fund and it's not taxpayer funds..
.... government shutdown means the Legislature cannot be convened.
No it doesn't. The fact that the media calls this a government shutdown does not make it one. Only non essential services have been shutdown. The VAST bulk of the Federal Government is still in full operation. If you turn off 25% of the lights in a room, is it dark? No.. And neither has the government shutdown when 75% of it is still running.
LIKE freedom,
Good! So do I!
I want all government to shut down, stop stealing money from people, stop redistributing the stolen proceeds, stop controlling people.
Wait you just said you like freedom. Now you're effectively saying you want to live as a serf under the local warlord or crime boss.
Personally I prefer actual freedom. That requires a government to enforce it.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
That's not how it works. You don't get to criticize the other guy's corrupt president and then fellate your own. Obama could have solved gitmo with a fucking pen. Just write an executive order insisting that everyone in there either be charged and speedily tried, or released. Anything else is unconditional but let's face it, nobody who orders a drone strike on a wedding gives a shit about anything. Obama is simply the most charming war criminal in recent history, and should be regretted (I was trying to write regarded but got auto corrected, but I like this better) as such.
Obama didn't need to fund anything. All he had to do was insist that the Constitution be respected, but your favorite constitutional scholar couldn't even manage that. We'll never know if he could have closed gitmo because he literally did not even make a meaningful attempt to do so. He wrote enough executive orders to have used them for toilet paper, but that one somehow escaped him. And the somehow is that he didn't actually try.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Just write an executive order insisting that everyone in there either be charged and speedily tried, or released.
He was specifically barred from doing this by Congress: https://www.washingtontimes.co...
Yup, home of the brave, land of the free.
Eh that's just a stupid reply.
The comparison was sound. No one was actually either calling anyone Nazis or comparing them to Nazis. But the logistical operation of finding 10 million people scattered throuhout the general population is something that's happened before. The best way to figure out how long it would take now is to see how long it took before.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
He was specifically barred from doing this by Congress: https://www.washingtontimes.co...
Nope. Totally wrong. They blocked spending. They didn't block releasing them. The correct, humane, constitutional thing to do if they couldn't be transferred somewhere for trial was to release them. And if Obama wanted to release them, all he had to do was call congress' bluff. Just give notice to congress that he wanted to bring them to trial, issue an executive order stating that anyone not brought to trial would be released as per the constitution, then spend the next 45 days telling the american people that congress was keeping gitmo open. Then at least he's tried, and it's not his fault. But he did fuck-all, which is how we know it was a lie from the start. He pandered to idiots, and the idiots are still sucking his cock for it. You're so useful.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Once again you're confusing what people are supposed to do with what they actually do.
> > Only an immigration official or federal worker whom the Secretary of Homeland Security has authorized may determine the immigration status of a person in the country.
> And these authorized officers check all the federal welfare applications.
There is no "federal welfare application", for most of these programs. Most of the money is administered by the states, received from the federal taxpayers in annual chunks based on how many recipients the state reports. The state reports X milion recipients, and gets Y billion dollars from the feds. States are supposed to check eligibility, but in many states the clerks are barred by state law from actually checking immigration status. In other states, they just don't bother. Government bureaucrats aren't known for excellent work.
>> It's unlawful for them to release people who are fugitives from the feds, but they do it.
> No they don't. Illegal border crossing is a civil infraction in the US, not a felony.
Robbery is a crime. Domestic abuse is a crime. Yet cities release illegal aliens who have already been convicted of these crimes, in violation of ICE detainees. According to acting ICE director Thomas Homan, "among âoe*criminal* aliens that have been released, rather than turned over to ICE, nearly 10,000 have recommitted *another* crimeâ between January 2014 and August 2017".
> So states are not obliged to notify the federal police about it.
Wrong again. 1907. TITLE 8, U.S.C. 1324(A) provides prison sentences of up to 10 years for knowlingly transporting illegal aliens (cities do this by policy), concealing, aiding and abetting, conspiracy to do these things, etc.
Again, we're not talking about what the law says people are *supposed to* do. They aren't *supposed to* BE in the US. By definition we're talking about people who don't follow the law like you do.
The article defines "poor" as basically "entitled to benefits", then looks at only those people. So we learn that a lot of people who are entitled to benefits get benefits. That's amazing! Maybe their next study will find that a lot of people who have a bus pass ride the bus.
What they didn't mention while talking about "poor people" is that people who enter the country illegally are exceedingly likely to be either "poor people" or criminals.
It's my understanding that immigrating legally takes a very, very long time. One reason the wait is so long is because it's based on how many *additional* immigrants the country accepts after the million who enter illegally each year. You would have gotten through much quicker if a million people didn't "cut in front of you in line" by entering illegally. You waited your turn, while watching all those other people skip the line in front of you. I find it interesting that you went through the long and arduous process, yet are so anxious to make stuff up to defend the people who skipped in front of you. If I were you, I'd might pissed at those people, thinking "I've been waiting, get in the back of the line like I did and wait your turn".
Fuck off with your 'both sides' bullshit. The only ones using the government shutdown as a weapon have been the Republicans.
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
>"It's stupid that our system allows this so easily."
Agreed. And if something is shut down, then it should mean just that- nobody gets paid. Not now and not later. Closing services and then turning around and PAYING everyone for having done no work is crazy. And that includes Congress, President, etc. Being ACTUALLY unpaid after the new year would surely motivate them to pass a budget.
>"It should have a cruise control mode that funds at existing levels until budget agreements are made."
Better yet, it should also be coupled with a balanced budget amendment so that it is impossible to spend more than is taken in. Period. Budget exceeds revenue? Flat percent spending cut across the board automatically. Either spend less, tax more, or some combination of both.
>"Illegal aliens don't get foodstamps or housing assistance."
Until we turn around and do yet another "amnesty" and make them all citizens. Because, this is the last time, and we will prevent the situation from happening again by tightening the border and enforcement... yeah right. Rinse and repeat.
>"That's up to states, they can't dole out federal money to illegals."
But they CAN dole out state money, and some states do. And in theory, illegal immigrants are not supposed to be able to work- we have laws to prevent it. Yet the laws are ignored or skirted, and so there is no local, state, or federal income tax on any of those earnings, and no SSI collected, and no worker's comp.
Simple math. If we weren't providing any untaxed employment, and weren't providing any "free" services and benefits, then there wouldn't be much illegal immigration because they could not survive (or it would be only crime and illegal activity that supports them such as theft, drugs, smuggling, human trafficking, etc; because you can be assured that charity won't cover it).
How would we know the FCC was suspending most ops???
Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
You dont think that has something to do with the shitty progressives trying to get people fired and physically harmed for disagreeing with them? I mean... Seems pretty clear to me.
yea because you would rather have our land invaded. Fuck you, and Fuck them.
And you can fuck off with your partisan bullshit. A shutdown occurs when an agreement over spending can't be made. It takes both Republicans and Democrats to make that happen. You only blame Republicans because you agree with Democrats spending habits.
No, I blame Republicans because they are to blame.
Is a lobotomy required these days to be a Republican?
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
You're right, but only because he isn't creative enough to get it done.
If Mexico was willing to pay for the work, they'd also probably be willing to get paid to do the work which means that he could have Mexico hire Mexicans, and use his executive powers and responsibilities over matters of National Security to allow them to cross the border by a few feet and do the construction.
It is true though that if you want to do the graft in dollars, then you need Congress to pork-barrel it for you.
You're fighting on a hill that doesn't even exist.
He was blocked from spending money on releasing them.
You can't release people that are in US custody into Cuba without permission from Cuba. I mean, what are you thinking when you say "release?" You mean open the door to the cage, and let them walk out onto the military base? Now what? You're going to starve them to death by detaining them in the parking lot? You can't leave them on the military base and have "released" them, and Cuba wouldn't take them.
So you do have to spend money to release them at all; and if you're not allowed to release them in the US, you have to get permission from some country to release them there. People who were actually released, it was because they convinced a country to take them.
Without the ban on spending money, they'd do the normal thing in that situation; pay some other country to let them settle there. Easy solution, works out best for everybody. But that was not allowed by Congress.
The funniest part IMO was last week when the Republican leadership in the Senate proposed a "compromise" where the Democrats in the House would agree to spending on the wall. The very spending that same person was currently the one stopping!
Republicans love voting to spend money on the wall; as long as their sure there is somebody else in the process who has the "no" votes to stop them. ;)
they're
I think you mean to claim the State of New York is lying when they say that they are sending out welfare checks to illegal aliens. And Politifact is lying when they confirmed it, in your imagination. And the State of California was lying in 2016 when they passed a bill allowing illegal aliens to receive state benefits. And the census bureau is lying in their Survey of Income and Program Participation, according to your wish. Again, from the State of New York web site nicely explains the situation in most states (California being the exception since they've passed laws actually allowing some and or preventing workers from checking immigration status in other cases):
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Whether illegal aliens can obtain state benefits is not clear-cut. The short answer appears to be that they are not legally entitled to most benefits, but do in fact receive them.
A fair interpretation of the federal statute and state regulation must result in the conclusion that illegal aliens should not receive any form of state public assistance. However, illegal aliens do, in fact, receive state public benefits. That's because the burden of determining lawful status in the U.S. is on the shoulders of county social services employees who have neither the legal jurisdiction nor the practical ability to determine one's immigration status. Only an immigration official or federal worker whom the Secretary of Homeland Security has authorized may determine the immigration status of a person in the country.
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You can have a look at the Census Bureau study, the Survey of Income and Program Participation, for yourself if you'd like, rather than fervently arguing whatever some comedian told you on late night TV, without having idea clue whether what the comedian told you has any basis in reality.
Your other responses have some nice backtracking, but this is outright wrong still:
Got it, you don't think they should shut down the parks. I mean, they will, because they do every shutdown
If you were paying attention you'd know they haven't shut down most outdoor parks.
So not EVERY shutdown.
But this is just a "why". It's not happening yet cause there's still a little cash left in those accounts.
Wrong, if they still had money they'd be providing services but they are not. They just aren't manning the parks right now.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Mexico could spend their money however the fuck they wanted to. If they said "this is for a wall" then Trump could spend it on a wall. It's not a gift to the general fund and it's not taxpayer funds..
Though the very idea of Mexico sending money to the US specifically to build a wall to keep people from entering the US is laughable - and fully counter to the claim that Trump has made many times about Mexico "sending bad hombres" to the US. If the illegal immigrants are so awful, then it would be in the best interests of Mexico to keep them moving, not to slow down their departure.
If Mexico pays for it, Trump does not need Congressional approval
Trump's latest scheme is that Mexico would somehow pay for the wall by way of tariffs and taxes through NAFTA 2.0. However the money that comes in to there goes into the general fund, so no Trump would not be able to tap into it on his own initiative (sans congress) to spend it on his own pet projects. He would need congressional approval. Now if for some reason Mexico sent a check specifically to build the wall, it might be possible to use that as such - though there is a big problem with that one too, namely that financial gifts to the federal government are required to be unconditional unless congress specifically passes a law allowing them to be used for a specific project.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Just like Medicare For All, right dipshit?
Please provide me with the name of a Presidential Candidate with the Republican or Democratic Nomination who ran on a platform of "Medicare for all."
Thanks.
(Dipshit.)
And the bad news is, you don't judge Trump for being a retard.
Happy people make bad consumers.
Agreed, there are plenty of douchebags on both sides of the aisle. Can we work together in a spirit of cooperation to hold ALL the douchebags accountable? Step one is to vote them all out of office!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
here let me hit you with a liberal favorite "It doesn't mean the same thing anymore"
Pretty sure I've heard that from you constitution haters. Eat a fat bowl of dicks and see me in the streets. 7230 S Las Vegas BLVD
I withdraw the part my other response to this post that agrees the parks are staying open. You are just 100% wrong. The link I used in that post referenced Joshua Tree. It just shut down. Looks like even Trump's express change to policy couldn't survive contact with reality. Shocking.
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I state the fact that we have immigration to make up for our birth deficiency and you take that as me having a problem with people of color? What the fuck is wrong with you? I said we're importing 1M people/year.. That's a fact. If you can point to the sentence where I said something negative about that, I'd love to see it.
As for where, the State Department, mouth breather.