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Government Shutdown is Putting a Damper on Science in Seattle and Elsewhere (geekwire.com)
It's been called the "Super Bowl of Astronomy," but when the American Astronomical Society's winter meeting plays out in Seattle this week, some of the stars won't be taking the field. From a report: The AAS meeting is just one of the scientific endeavors diminished by the partial government shutdown in Washington, D.C., which entered its 17th day today. NASA representatives, and researchers whose travel would typically be funded by NASA, have had to cancel their plans to be in Seattle due to the tiff involving the Trump administration and Republicans on one side, and Democrats on the other.
The shutdown affects only a quarter of the federal government -- which means that the Defense Department and the Energy Department can continue research and development activities. Work continues as well at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and at the National Institutes of Health. But most employees at NASA as well as at the Agriculture Department, the Interior Department, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Weather Service are on furlough. Further reading: National Parks Face Years of Damage From Government Shutdown.
The shutdown affects only a quarter of the federal government -- which means that the Defense Department and the Energy Department can continue research and development activities. Work continues as well at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and at the National Institutes of Health. But most employees at NASA as well as at the Agriculture Department, the Interior Department, the Environmental Protection Agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Weather Service are on furlough. Further reading: National Parks Face Years of Damage From Government Shutdown.
More like toilet bowl of social life
RIP: Deedee Megadoodoo
Instead of relying on taxes taken at gunpoint to prove predetermined conclusions.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Tell Pelosi and Schumer to stop putting a damper on science in Seattle!
I thought that was why they charged 50,000 a year and had a 10 billion dollar endowment...but it turns out that was just to pay for the Diversity Officers.
Virtually all terrorists come in via plane and sea, the remainder drive from inside the US.
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I didn't know there was any. It only rains there, never shines.
Where was your outrage when Obama did the EXACT SAME THING over ObamaCare? Hypocritical clowns.
You are an absolute moron and everyone here is now dumber for having read your comment. You have made the world a little worse here today and may God have mercy on your soul.
Remind me, how many workers is he holding to ransom over this? 800,000?
I agree! Science needs to paid by business! Business who needs the results to skew their way!
Why I find that the cigarette companies' findings proven false to be a travesty
Or the industry who promoted Tetraethyllead to be robbed!
And of course the current situation of fossil fuel companies fighting to discredit "GlooooooBal Waaarming!" hoax!
I mean seriously!! We all know that profit seeking entities will always do what's best for people!
Put on your credit card, save your receipts, file a claim, get paid when the new budget is approved. That's how many people travel for work.
Now if you want to be a SJW, blame the President and throw a tantrum...
I was thinking more of crowdfunding, but whatever. If the science is actually worthwhile, shouldn't you be able to find an audience of people among the 7 billion on the planet who are wondering the same thing and are willing to throw the cost of a cup of coffee at it?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Why are you on Slashdot, if you hate science this much?
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
to figure out that if your employer is $21 TRILLION dollars in DEBT, your job and its regular paychecks are hardly guaranteed.
Given the state of global warming, wouldn't we all be better off if this "conference" was held virtually in cyberspace instead of wasting fossil fuels for everybody to travel?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
"I've got one that can see!"
Everything bad in the world is because of it and there is absolutely no positive aspect to it at all to the point where its bad simultaneously in mutually exclusive ways.
Do you live off your own bullshit expectations though? I guarantee there aren't enough people in the world who find you valuable enough to throw the cost of a cup of coffee at you so you can continue blathering like this.
You don't have to understand or appreciate science, but to expect it to be crowdfunded entirely = you are entirely a fucking idiot.
Why are you on Slashdot, if you hate science this much?
"Hating" science is not the same thing as disagreeing with how it is funded. Something is wrong with our society when space science funding is suspended because of a political disagreement over "The Wall". It is hard to imagine two things that should be more unrelated.
^^ This troll really needs a job in the Trump administration, the red herrings alone could feed a small village. I'm just surprised HRC's emails weren't worked in there somehow also. Pity, next time. The rubles are in the mail.
:-) Not like the church that used the taxes back in their heyday to execute the scientists. I mean, they were heretics, right? They needed killin'!
However, you are correct: ...to prove predetermined conclusions.
I remember Nixon trying that with his marijuana studies. He burned the report when it didn't produce the results he was demanding. Politics is everywhere, turtles all the way down. The majority that's stealing all your money is a gangster with a gun, and it's even properly registered! How do you rebel against the majority?
Apparently some (but not all) government workers are pulling out of talks and other events as well due to the shutdown, CES included - Pai was apparently only the start of it, although I suspect, like Pai, some are probably just using the shutdown as an excuse. YMMV as to whether anything of value has been lost, naturally.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
Why should "scientists" push there liberal agenda on MY tax dollars? If these liberals want to push global warming and evolution hoaxes, let them do it on there own dollars. America is much for better off without these scientists and there liberal agenda.
I've done crowdfunded projects a few times now. It works. Crowdfunded science also works.
But of course, if the only way you think you can survive is with communism, then go right ahead. I've learned enough from my experiments hacking utopias to no longer believe that a utopia can exist (or that an academic institution can discover truth or do science).
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
I don't hate science. I love science. I hate government schills pretending to do science when in reality they're only writing grants to get taxpayer money and doing no real science at all.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Only Democrats use science anyway.
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
The number of contractors being screwed out of work for no reason except Trump's intransigence here probably exceeds the 800,000 by that again at least. Then consider the pissing match with China affecting US businesses.
All of this at once. Trump is truly shitting the bed in every direction, and I say that as someone who acknowledges both a practical need for border security and reigning in China's trade practices. This is failing both needs.
Impeach the traitor. Mueller has bombs to drop right now, the Congress should act to at least preliminarily unseal the indictments against the Drumpf crime family. This charade is beyond his thin ego now, it's serious. Lives are lost.
And the answer is to decentralize the funding sources.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Given what the Bavarian and Argentinian branches of the Roman Catholic Church have been up to, I'm also against the Church taking public taxes.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
The Federal government has not stopped growing since the ink dried on the constitution. Show me where NASA or any of the numerous federal agencies are listed as a responsibility of the Federal government in our Constitution.
Our Federal government has 18 enumerated powers - given by the states to the Federal government. Any agencies exercising authority beyond those powers are unconstitutional. Those agencies should be dissolved and their powers given back to the states where they belong. The entire purpose of the 10th amendment was to reaffirm that States and people hold all powers NOT delegated to the Federal government.
If states decide that Government space exploration is so important that individual states are willing to have the Federal government perform that function they should amend the constitution to grant that power to the federal government.
A protracted shut-down of non-essential government functions will make it very clear to the states how little they get from an enormous, unconstitutional, Federal bureaucracy.
Not necessarily. I worked on an experiment at Fermilab for a few years during a period when FNAL had furloughs (IIRC due to surprise budget cuts) and their employees were not even allowed to turn up to the office on their furlough days under threat of discipline (although to be honest I think it was more bark than bite). I thought it was rather bizarre at the time because they had no problem working weekends but apparently furloughs were not the same. This just goes to show that when dealing with government regulations in unusual circumstances common sense is not a good guide.
Another red herring / whattaboutism.
You don't have to understand or appreciate science, but to expect it to be crowdfunded entirely = you are entirely a fucking idiot. QED.
You don't have to understand or appreciate science, but to expect it to be crowdfunded entirely = you are entirely a fucking idiot. QED.
...iOS devs pretending iOS world and any functional participation in it ceased without the comped WWDC vacation-party-networking opportunity conference.
People here don't hate science. It isn't our Federal government's responsibility to fund science.
Before you disagree - show me in our Constitution where the Federal government was given the power by the states to fund space exploration.
You can't because it isn't there.
All Federal, unconstitutional, departments and agencies need to be dissolved and those functions should be remanded to the states where they belong.
" blame the President " = You're implying someone else directly on an overnight whim caused, and then called a press conference to say "I am happy to own this shutdown" - but the reality is on film, you can see it yourself.
Am I a SJW for "truthing" your bullshit narrative? Maybe. Justice = truth implicit. I guess that's so. You're a fucking traitor, if I'm a SJW for correcting your lie. I can live with that. You however should hang like Trump will.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/12/11/trump-own-shutdown-border-security-sot-lead-vpx.cnn
Dare say 60 million voted for Trump specifically to shutdown the Federal government if they refused to build a wall.
The needs of the many....
If you really love doing science and talking about science, you could go to the conference with your own money. Many scientists make at least as much as the average American household, and often 2-3x as much. A couple-day trip to WA is a drop in the bucket next to that.
But then again, we are talking about people who want government money for everything and blame Trump for all of America's problems. Younger scientists especially are little SJWs who endlessly promote diversity and collaboration because they aren't good critical thinkers themselves.
Just sayin'.
You DO realize a shutdown costs way, way, way more money than NOT shutting it down, right? It's not like flipping off a light switch. You're apparently a fucking moron posing as some kind of fiscal conservative meta joke personified.
I guess my question, do you understand the joke that you are the embodiment of? Do you laugh at yourself, or was it a serious point you were trying to make, lol you fucking moron? Get the fuck out of this country traitor, lol.
Go found "StupidOpineistan" and just imagine all the money you'll save, you fucking ridiculous nitwit Trumptards.
And the answer is to decentralize the funding sources.
That is one solution.
Another is to create endowments for basic science, so funding is not buffeted by every political tantrum.
Yet another solution would be to ban peacetime deficit spending, so that the proposed wall would require an immediate tax increase.
and Government Science Elites can not vaca at various conferences at tax payer expense. This is awful, the advancement of mankind is endanger! The entire basis of Academia and Science is on the verge of collapse. And it will take down mankind.
;)
cough! cough! Not!
Just my 2 cents
Bullfeathers!
It has been widely known and documented that MS-13 members routinely illegally cross into the US from Mexico:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2017/10/17/officials-ms-13-gang-member-arrested-arizona-border-crossing/774727001/
The man in the linked article has been deported multiple times.
Are MS-13 members terrorists? If not, what is your definition of a terrorist?
Youre usually too busy sucking Chinese cocks to be wrong in yet another thread!
We know. You love the chink cock and your freedumbs. We know.
It's not like the scientists get to pocket any of the money themselves. It goes to pay for equipment, overhead, cost of personnel, etc. Few grant award salaries to the P.I.'s themselves.
It's amazing how little people understand how US science is funded. The government allocates a pot of money to do science and then scientists decide among themselves whose work is good enough to get it. That means you have to convince your peers that the work you propose is better than the work they propose.
Well, my point was, the majority approves, whaddya gonna do about it?
Taxes = crowdfunding with a gun.
Then tell your Mistress Nancy to support the $5 billion.
Shit...Democrats spend more than that on butt lube.
And the answer is to decentralize the funding sources.
That is one solution.
Another is to create endowments for basic science, so funding is not buffeted by every political tantrum.
Yet another solution would be to ban peacetime deficit spending, so that the proposed wall would require an immediate tax increase.
Sure.
And while we're at it, ban all withholding of taxes of any type. You want to collect a tax? Fine. You can't have an employer take it from your paycheck before you even see it.
Make the taxpayers actually have to give the taxes to the government.
No "corporate" taxes, either.
Every single tax has to be paid for by a person. From that person's own money. Hand over the cash, sign the check, put it on the credit card. Doesn't matter as long as the individual taxpayer gets to actually see and feel the money going to the government.
Call it TRUTH IN TAXATION.
It'd sure be nice.
No way "progressives" would ever go for it....
We've never sern it, and only heard rumors of the horrid muttos that roam those wastelands, feeding themselves at Dollar Stores and Taco Bell. Poor poor creatures.
You DO realize a shutdown costs way, way, way more money than NOT shutting it down, right? It's not like flipping off a light switch. You're apparently a fucking moron posing as some kind of fiscal conservative meta joke personified.
I guess my question, do you understand the joke that you are the embodiment of? Do you laugh at yourself, or was it a serious point you were trying to make, lol you fucking moron? Get the fuck out of this country traitor, lol.
Go found "StupidOpineistan" and just imagine all the money you'll save, you fucking ridiculous nitwit Trumptards.
Remember kids, always result to name calling to get your point accross.
At least he was a bit more original than your ripping off a fucking TV show.
TRUMP SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT, COSTING MONEY, to do something he "says" he has the power to just "declare an emergency" and do. You're a fucking faggot traitor, but more importantly, you're bad with money.
It's interesting how many people continue to pretend that the Republicans hold the Senate when it takes 60 votes to get a budget passed.
Democrats are holding up the process.
Republicans have been ready to go.
Mexico would have paid for the wall long ago if the Democrats hadn't blocked the efforts.
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The purpose of the constitution isn't to list the only things that the government is allowed to do. You don't seem to understand that.
The constitution allows congress to levy taxes and spend funds on the "common defense and general welfare" of the nation. The latter part of that is open to interpretation. Clearly you have yours, and some of us probably disagree. Want to bet there's some stuff the government funds that you agree with and isn't spelled out literally in the constitution?
Across. One "c" in across. The point stands, and the name calling is entirely justified. These are fucking morons and treasonous nitwits we're dealing with, "kids" they may be.
Live in a constitutionally limited democracy?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Several things:
1). It's "shills", not "schills";
2). "Government schills" don't do science at all. Scientists do science. I'm pretty sure all those "government schills" are actual scientists;
3). Not sure where your complaint about "no real science at all" comes from. The usual source of this type of rhetoric is science that does not advance a religious cause, or some predetermined political outcome;
4). Actual science requires funding. In order to keep the scientists doing science-y work, and get more professional funding requests, administrators often make the proposals. These can be scientists who advance to become lab leaders but more importantly, this is a mysterious attribute of civilization called "specialization". I'd ask if you've heard of it, but nah. The answer would be more meaningless drivel from a "schill".
The bright side of this is that a renowned IT clerk living on Fruitdale in San Jose and working for a 3 letter agency in Palo Alto is now able to apply 2 years worth of security patches at his high security environment IT job.
The last shutdown wasn't long enough to allow him to do his job.
He must always wait for government shutdown to apply security patches. It makes sense, doesn't it?
Tell it to Mueller when the indictments (treason, if we were at war) are unsealed and Trump is hauled off to pound-me-in-the-ass-Federal.
LOL!
You stupid CUNT. Democrats have offered the entire $25 billion before, but your Mistress Nancy has her panties in a wad because she's a butthurt loser like you and can't even do $5 billion.
Democrats would rather illegals rape children and murder cops than do anything that looks like agreeing with Trump.
Die in a car fire you bitchass cunt.
In all the "look at all the shit that's not working because of Trump" stories, I have yet to read anyone express the slightest question about - should the Federal government really be running all this stuff?
I sincerely doubt anyone in government has the balls after this shutdown to say "Yeah, y'know, we can probably get along without that, that, and that. Nobody really missed them."
http://thefederalist.com/2014/...
-Styopa
You're a known blathering moron, not a Constitutional scholar in any sense at any point in your life, so yeah that's the preface. #nip @ bud
The one thing you got right in your entire spiel, yes, progressives would never sign off on something as dumb as what you just described, mr flat tax moron from 1995.
Yet another solution would be to ban peacetime deficit spending, so that the proposed wall would require an immediate tax increase.
Or the voters could cut budgets. Which do you think will gain more popular support funding 10 guys looking for exoplanets, or keeping 10,000 construction workers from losing theirs to illegals ?
Even the Democrats understand this as every major Democrat has taken the position that illegal immigration is wrong they just remarkably choose to do nothing after elections.
I don't hate science. I love science. I hate government schills pretending to do science when in reality they're only writing grants to get taxpayer money and doing no real science at all.
William Proxmire is that you ? I heard you were dead.
Interstate commerce clause, you can make anything and everything constitutional with it.
"Republicans have been ready to go." Yes, HELL WAITS FOR YOU FAGGOT TRUMP TRAITORS. It's going to be a fucking orgy in Hell when Trump goes, just like his first night in Federal lockup for life.
TRUMP SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT, COSTING MONEY, to do something he "says" he has the power to just "declare an emergency" and do. You're a fucking faggot traitor, but more importantly, you're bad with money.
It's more like Trump vs Democrats vs Republicans.
What if the US taxpayers select between a red or blue account. Either party can choose how they spend their money. No more elections or disagreements required.
You don't have to understand or appreciate science, but to expect it to be crowdfunded entirely = you are entirely a fucking idiot. QED.
"remarkably choose to do nothing after elections" = Bullshit. Building a wall is going to do nothing to stop illegals, sorry morons! That's just a fact. They've never had a problem getting over under or through unguarded walls.
Nobody ever has. You're being morons in defense of a traitor's ever-changing bullshit promises to the basest of bases, racist faggots. The wall has nothing to do with actual border security whatsoever, it's a joke.
What an unoriginal cunt you are.
Watch out for your head exploding.
Thinking = Republicans if you add a brain
You're being a moron in defense of a traitor's ever-changing bullshit promises to the basest of bases, racist faggots. The wall has nothing to do with actual border security whatsoever, it's a joke.
Face it, you're a tap-dancing faggot on a traitor's tiny toad-shaped penis. You will never have a brain of any caliber or worth, deplorable morons will never matter.
Trump will hang either way and there's nothing you inbred toothless meth traitors can do about it.
TRUMP SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT, to do something he "says" he has the power to just "declare an emergency" and do. You're a fucking faggot traitor, but more importantly, you're bad with money.
there's reports that "The Wall" was invented by his handlers in the campaign as a mnemonic to remember to hammer immigration. That's why it's almost childishly simple. It's not a policy, it's a memory trick to keep him from going too far off script. This is the level we're at now, folks.
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paid people out of their coffers until this thing was over instead of buying ads. Now that would be helping the people.
Virtually all terrorists come in via plane and sea, the remainder drive from inside the US.
And how is it that you (or whomever originally made the claim) KNOW this to be true? It's really hard to check when the people in question are NOT coming in through anywhere they can be checked.
Like election fraud: All the "There's little to no election fraud occurring." claims turn out to really be: "There's little to no PROSECUTION of election fraud." This is as easily explained by the claim that the people in power have no incentive to change the system that PUT them in power: The results would be either:
- Not enough change to make a difference.
- Any change that DOES make a difference kicks some of them OUT of power.
In both the "no terrorists across the effectively open border" and "no significant election fraud", more information is necessary to support (or falsify) the claim. To gather that information, in the case of the first claim, you need to check substantially all the incoming border crossers.
What does the infrastructure needed to perform that check look like? Maybe a wall along the border, so essentially all the border crossers have to do so at ports-of-entry?
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Why do you try to pretend that the OP's hatred of science should be thought of as anything else?
Corporations are people, so they get taxed. And all multinationals and national corporations as well as most small businesses would have earnings before expenses in the higher bracket. Remember, ordinary people don't get to deduct expenses from their revenue before taxes, so why should corporations get to deduct for tax purposes things like food, rent, bills, etc?
After all you WERE trying to pretend that somehow the corporations are treated "badly" by being taxed, right? Since Citizens United, they're people too. And people get taxed BEFORE expenses.
Trump does not like science. It is too liberal for him so I doubt he cares.
Cool, bring that up next election. What did your party get last time, 4%? Meanwhile, the other 96% of America thinks the federal government isn't involved enough in your life and isn't spending nearly enough money. And those people Vote, unlike you losers who couldn't even win New Mexico (his home state!).
Which is, frankly, what you RWNJ always thought anyway, hence you have no shame doing ANY evil abhorrent act, because you "know" that as long as it hurts or removes a Democrat from power, there is no base thing you can do that is unjustified by your insane belief in D==Evil.
Those less completely batshit insane don't agree, and they don't agree that this IS the lesser of two evils.
Coal isn't coming back, just like Hillary said she'd do.
TPP has passed, just like Hillary said she'd do (trump just renamed it)
"The Wall" is now a fence, just like Hillary said she'd do.
But she would not have killed children with neglect, put children in care of people who would abuse them, would not have sucked russian cock, would not have had even 1% of the corrupt self erichment of trump, and spent 1% of the time wasting their time compared to what trump does.
So, explain, please, how trump is the LESSER evil?
This wasnt science. It was a boondoggle vacation for all the scientists to get a free trip and access to hookers outside their home city.
Exactly what science did not happen because Professor Cock Sucking Tax Leach didnt get a holiday paid for by the rest of us who actually work?
So many things to look forward to...
Trump inevitably going off to die in prison along with his bitch beta traitor sons and bauble whore daughter, yep. And then we hang them for treason. It's gonna be great.
But this is what we can expect from the RWNJ. Insanity and bullshit.
Which do you think will gain more popular support funding 10 guys looking for exoplanets, or keeping 10,000 construction workers from losing theirs to illegals ?
Can you expand on that? Because it looks a lot like a false equivalence. How is funding for "10 guys looking for exoplanets" mutually exclusive with "10,000 construction workers from losing their [planet? job? something]"? You're suggesting that if we spend our money on one of those, then we can't have the other one? Do the 10 guys have to be looking for exoplanets, or could they be doing anything that advances science? Do the 10,000 people need to be working in construction or could they be doing any manual-labor job? Or any job at all, maybe?
Moreover, why exactly are the guys losing their jobs to "illegals?" It's already illegal to hire people not allowed to be in the country, so why are their employers firing the US citizens and hiring undocumented workers to take their place? Shouldn't one of those ten thousand people report their employer?
Also, why are these even being compared? Those ten guys use government funding, sure, assuming that they're working for NASA, but why exactly are those ten thousand manual laborers being paid with public dollars? Don't they work for private companies? Are we subsidizing another industry now?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Yeah, you hate science. You're suggesting that the only kind of "science" that should be done is that which is projected to immediately generate profit for your corporate overlords, and anything that involves actual research with no ulterior motive is evil communism.
Are you going to be okay? Do you need a hug? Then there's the question of your unfounded claims and broken login. I'm sorry, can you show us where Marxist Hacker hurt you?
Fucking Democrats would rather have the government shut down to make Trump look bad.
What allowed him to win was someone willing to lie his ass off to people and run on leftist populist programs such as having a heathcare system that covers everyone, including pre existing conditions. Bernie ran on them too, but HE wasn't lying when he said it.
Trump never had ANY intention of doing any of the stuff he promised.
What made trump win was republican cheating (gerymandering) and the RWNJ having their own "hopeandchange" moment, but with someone who never had the slightest interest in doing anything for anyone other than himself.
The number of contractors being screwed out of work for no reason except Trump's intransigence here probably exceeds the 800,000 by that again at least. Then consider the pissing match with China affecting US businesses.
All of this at once. Trump is truly shitting the bed in every direction, and I say that as someone who acknowledges both a practical need for border security and reigning in China's trade practices. This is failing both at once.
Impeach the traitor. Mueller has bombs to drop right now, the Congress should act to at least preliminarily unseal the indictments against the Drumpf crime family. This charade is beyond his thin ego now, it's serious. Lives are lost.
Trump should lose his right the fuck now, traitors hang!
it wasn't a trick to get votes, it was a trick to get Donald Trump to remember to talk about immigration.
In other words, the president of the United States couldn't remember basic immigration talking points without a simple, 3 word chant ("Build the Wall!"). That's the scary part. It means even during the campaign Trump wasn't all there, his handlers knew it, and they knew how to hide it.
Now try to imagine the state he's in now after 2 years of pressure from the highest office in the world. Seen Obama lately? He looks like he's aged _way_ more than 8 years...
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A charge of treason is about as bad as it can get in this country. Arguably it is worse than mass murder because it could cost the entire countrys existence.
To make such a serious charge you need serious evidence if you want people to think you are more than a street corner kook with an The End Is Near sign.
Please provide detailed and confirmed evidence of treason.
No, saying, Well I know Mueller is gunna get that mother fucker! And, But the Russians said he peed on a hooker in Moscow is not evidence.
There is ABSOLUTELY no evidence of treason whatsoever.
If there ever is I will be the first to say hang em high. But there wont ever be. You will need a new conspiracy theory when Mueller finally releases something and there is a bit nothing-burger there. You DO know the source of the nothing-burger line, right?
In the meantime, until there is actually real evidence and not But I hear it on NPR! nonsense you sound like a fucking whack job on the corner... you the guy, the one with the crazy eyes.
"remarkably choose to do nothing after elections" = Bullshit. Building a wall is going to do nothing to stop illegals, sorry morons! That's just a fact. They've never had a problem getting over under or through unguarded walls.
And therein is your fail. It you actually listen to what the border patrol says - walls make their job easier, they can concentrate on catching people as they go around or attempt to go under. Which is easier - stopping people at your front door, or trying to stop people at your front door, rear door, garage door, and multiple windows?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
If you took a serious and honest look at HRCs life starting alllllll the way back with turning $1k in $100k in a market she knew nothing about, the Rose law firm records, her handling of her husbands bimbo eruptions (how do you justify covering up a multiple rapist like Bill in the metoo era?) all the way through her corrupt foundation and her What Does It Matter Now? line (it matters to the dead people and their families),... if you looked at all that and everything in between and did not see evil then you array just hopeless.
Yes, Trump is a pussy grabbing frat boy. He is likely guilty of tax fraud and a few other finance related crimes. Next to Hillary he is a Boy Scout. (From before when the scouts went gay and also invited girls in and turned into a silly sjw .org that is near bankruptcy).
Hopelessly blind and biased. I can easily see Trump has flaws. HRCs are just worse. Can you see ANY of hers? At all?
T is not really a conservative. His history is more centric, or at least vacillating. He seems to have shifted right for political reasons, not personal belief.
I don't think it's that he places zero value on Astronomy and science, but more that his wall is far more important to him and/or his current base.
If he helped fund the discovery of a new full-sized planet, he'd love that. Even if he can't get it named after himself, it's still the kind of bragging rights he so craves. But it's hard to schedule big discoveries like that such that the wall is more concrete (pun intended).
In short, his political positions are driven mostly by his ego. I'd argue his ego weighs more on his decisions than even xenophobia. (Other Presidents may have been driven by ego or xenophobia also.)
Table-ized A.I.
I work for NIST,* and am starting to feel a little left out of the coverage. Hell, NWS is part of NOAA, so they're gettin' double billing in TFS. My login is locked, working is technically a felony, and whenever this hoopla dies down my deadlines won't have shifted. The contractors on my team have it worse (can't hire green card holders as feds) since they're just gonna be out a month's (or whatever's) wages. At least I can fall back on unemployment.
* National Institute of Standards and Technology - the folks you sync your clock to. An agency of the Department of Commerce.
** Captcha: Allege
He was a billionaire for Pete's sake. He's got extensive connections to every major bank in existence. And he's in deep with the mob, including the Russian mob.
And so what if he's a dumb buffoon. Do you think he's running the show? His cabinet is full of the same Goldman Sachs guys who have been screwing you for 30 years.
Hilary would have been bad juju, sure, but she would have been the stable bad juju. She'd have been the conservative option (real conservative, e.g. opposed to change). And we coulda had Bernie if folks showed up to the primary.
Still, Trump was _not_ the lessor of two evils. This will become apparent as his pro-corporate SCOTUS nominees gut what few consumer protection rules and Wall Street bank regulations there are left. Unless there's a massive correction to the crap he's blitheringly signed off on we're going to have a major crash in about 4-6 years. Right after he's out of office and doesn't have to shoulder the blame, funny that.
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I keep saying this, but on matters economic the media has a strong right wing bias. Folks ignore it because the media's a bit left of center on social issues, but watch the media coverage around the shut down.
CNN did 2 stories on government employees impacted by the shut down. There's no nice way to say this: They were fat black chicks. The kind that were going to put off anyone who'd be likely to side with Trump.
Meanwhile left wing outlets like The Hill found a pretty white single mom as their example.
There's 800,000 federal employees. Black people account for 12.5% of the population. You're not going to convince me that CNN picked somebody who would be unsympathetic to the side that most needs to be convinced that Trump's at fault by accident. This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call "Narrative".
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They just don't want to spend their own money to do so. They'd rather have the tab for their flights their hotels, and all their meals, plus conference attendance fees, paid for by the taxpayer. Your average PhD attendee could certainly afford to go if he/she wanted to. It's not like they need financial aid. This is a classic junket. I've been to many of them myself. After the sessions, it's party time!
How about a moderation of -1 pedantic.
When a federal employee attends a conference, they do not get to chose whether they do or don't represent the federal government. If they went to the scientific sections, they would either be obligating funds that haven't been allocated (a felony) or donating time and money to the government (illegal, though not sure on the persons liability). If they just crashed the social events, that might be okay since those are supposed to happen during non-duty hours. I don't know to what degree someone might pursue this, but they would be disciplined and could get fired if the Office of Inspector General found out.
-Furloughed scientist at NIST
Liberals Get the Bullet Too.
So while the government is shutdown they have to go 'full Junket'? No work, just party? Nice.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
You sure showed him! Seriously what did that accomplish?
ACA = ROMNEYCARE you treasonous twat! And the ACA was a Republican-congress-passed ACT OF CONGRESS, conceived and first implemented by a Republican! YOU TRULY ARE A LOBOTOMY PATIENT.
Thankfully, pre-existing conditions are still covered because we didn't cave to craven traitor's demands, moron! It's amazing how retarded this GOP has allowed itself to become so quickly. "Anti-air, Obama breathes it!"
ACs, so stupid... ACA was Federal, "Romneycare" was MA only. And ACA wasn't passed by the Republicans. But you can troll all you want!
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
"Can you expand on that?"
If the concept of limited resources and zero sum games are alien to you, I probably can't in a reasonable time or in a situation where you are obviously looking for a fight rather than information. I'll just note that the country has finite budget for the government and a finite size economy. Now take a look back on what you rote and see how the above facts are incompatible with your statements.
Obama did the same thing. When Republicans removed Obamacare from the budget, he refused to sign it and allowed the government to shut down until he got the funding he wanted.
Trump should take Pelosi and Schumer at their word. If they say walls don't work, and only more border patrol agents and tech work, and if he truly believes that illegal immigration on the southern border is an emergency, he should move all the border and customs agents and tech they have on the coasts that stop people from entering the country illegally to the southern border. Let the ports on the coasts experience 'no walls', and unlimited immigration. Last I heard, homeland security works for the president, and he can ask the director to shift his resources as necessary. If it is an emergency, that shift could happen overnight. I expect that if this happened, 5 bil (and more) would be offered up rather quickly, if not immediately upon announcement.
He ran because he needed to be able to borrow money, he's such a bad risk that nobody would lend. Except the Russian Mafia, of course. So he ran to get his name up, nothing else.
It shouldn't take a government shutdown to stop scientists from flying across the country and adding to global warming. Lead by example!
It's more like the government shutdown is putting a damper on the hipster alchemists. It's WA state, after all.
When the government eventually reopens, scientists warn reversing damage won't be as easy as coming back to work. "Never before have I seen the federal government tempt fate in science the way we are today," says Scientist. "It's not about what has happened already. It's about what could happen if we don't get our hands on that sweet sweet tax payer money."
The IRS should charge extra taxes on liberals AND there employers, any who voted or donated for insane un-america democrat party to fund wall. Hit them hard where it hurts.
"It is the Government's utmost responsibility to insure the continued functioning of the Government. In the event the Government is ever allowed to shut down, Shenanigans shall be declared, both houses of congress and the executive office shall be immediately disbanded and the current incumbents barred from participating in the federal government for life. New elections shall be held immediately. A fund shall be allocated and held in reserve for these elections."
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Moreover, why exactly are the guys losing their jobs to "illegals?" It's already illegal to hire people not allowed to be in the country, so why are their employers firing the US citizens and hiring undocumented workers to take their place?
Because the Americans are lazy and do poor work in comparison. That's how it was when I worked at a place that hired illegals.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Yeah, and? In theory we already do.
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Something is wrong with our society when space science funding is suspended because of a political disagreement over "The Wall".
Something is wrong in your society in general when funding for operational services are suspended because of political disagreement for any new law or proposal. The science part is completely irrelevant. Other countries have laws that specifically state that you can't tack anything not related to operational budget to the operational budget bill.
The amount of lies those folk say to try and get a green card is ridiculous. These folk are hell bent to take what doesn't belong to them.
My only brush with organized crime in USA was with M-13. They brutally murdered a son of my acquiescence.
THAT's the problem. Illegals are perfect community for these degenerates that liberal public loves so much. Muslims are subjected to "terrorism enhancement" all the time, while organized crime gets slap on the wrist despite the fact that they kill disproportionately larger amount of people as part of their gang activity, starting from killing absolutely innocent people that have no relation to any of the traditional gang territories as part of gang initiation.
It's a disgrace. Putting a stop to cross-border human trafficking is a good start to reduce this ground.
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They just don't want to spend their own money to do so.
Yes indeed scientists could instead spend their own money on doing their job rather than being paid to do it like fucking everyone else on the planet.
They'd rather have the tab for their flights their hotels, and all their meals, plus conference attendance fees, paid for by the taxpayer.
Yes this is how it works. If you do travel for business purposes your employer pays.
So far all you've added is "herp derp gubbermint sccientists" as a reason why not.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
If the concept of limited resources and zero sum games are alien to you
The world isn't a zero sum game.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
'cause he had to pay the INTEREST on the national debt run up by your 'fiscally conservative' Presidents Bush and Reagan. AC
No, I'm suggesting the only sort of science that should be done, is that which is interesting enough to crowdfund.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
I expect anything the government touches to become corrupt, especially science.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Any endowment you create will be buffeted by every political tantrum.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Because, of course, progressives are inherently dishonest.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Who ever said the wall would be unguarded? Those gun ports between slats are there for a reason.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Are you under the impression that the Earth is infinite?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
"It's not like the scientists get to pocket any of the money themselves. "
Because they work entirely voluntarily and eat air?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
"Because the Americans are lazy and do poor work in comparison. That's how it was when I worked at a place that hired illegals."
Americans won't work hard for shit money. Illegals have been fucked so hard that our shit money looks like good money to them. So we get yet another race to the bottom as those willing to hire illegals outcompete those not willing to do so. We never would have got here in the first place without government enabling it, though. Deportation is used as a profit maximization tool. Just call ICE in to be there when you hand out the last check of the season. And they won't show up before then if you just grease the wheels correctly...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
For most of the time that the current budgeting and appropriations process has been in force, which is since 1977, Congress has only had their appropriations passed on time four times while most of the time they have less than a quarter of necessary appropriations passed before the beginning of the fiscal year (October 1st, 2018 for FY2019). There's been at least ten years since 1977 where they failed to pass a single appropriations bill prior to the start of the fiscal year.
FY2019 is a fairly bad case because it's showing just how much partisan politics is getting in the way of funding the government and this current issue goes back to the beginning of 2018.
The first step would have been to pass a non-binding budget resolution for FY2019 by April 15, 2018. This budget resolution only requires majorities in both the House and Senate and is not subject to filibuster. It's important to keep in mind that from January 1, 2018 and April 15, 2018 the Republicans held the Senate with 51 seats for most of that period of time and consequently could only afford to lose one Senator to a no vote. That House had passed budgets in committee, which is pretty much something that can be guaranteed, but they never went to a floor vote. I don't believe that they had an adequate roadmap to get a budget resolution that could get majorities in both the House and the Senate partly due to confidence in the Democrats that they would take the House and Senate and didn't want to be bound by what the Republicans laid out. The failure to pass the budget resolution is significant from a process perspective because it eliminated budget reconciliation as a method for passing appropriations bills and without being able to use budget reconciliation it causes spending bills to be subjected to the Senate's filibuster rules.
Once the budget resolution is passed, Congress is supposed to pass appropriations bills before the beginning of the fiscal year which would have been October 1, 2018 for FY2019. From April 15 until the 116th Congress took office the Republicans were reliant on the agreement of nine or ten Democrats in the Senate for any spending bills to be passed due to not passing a budget resolution.
With the 116th Congress, facts have shifted. While the Democrats can pass any spending bill they want they are reliant on the support of thirteen Senate Republicans for it to avoid a filibuster or they require 55 House and 20 Senate Republicans in order to overcome a Presidential veto.
The general welfare clause is a statement of goals and intent for the purpose of raising taxes. It cannot be a grant of power because it structurally makes no sense for it to be so with the explicit grants of power that come after it that give it the power to raise armies and navies as well as fund the militia by equipping it, and allowed them to issues marques of reprisal. Those grants of power are extraneous and unnecessary if the general welfare clause is itself a grant of power as they themselves are all the potential entities that provide for the common defense at the time the Constitution was drafted.
It's a very insightful comment, however crowd-funding science is quite tricky - as humans react well to what is directly ahead, and not so well for things beyond time horizon, and flowers of science usually take more than 100 years to bloom. Today we benefit from quantum and general relativity theories, even more, we cannot leave houses without gadgets rooted in them. I do not think that any company would fund something with more than 100 years of return and very few people would as well, yet due to more and more complexity science becomes more expensive. Let's consider MRI, try to think of making a project like this without any basic science in physics, math, chemistry, biology, etc, in my opinion it would be inconceivable as a crowd-funding project even less so as a private company project without all the basic knowledge accumulated through just curiosity and basic research.
I like the way you think.
Keep it shut down long enough and necessary government functions will be funded and non-necessary functions will be defunded and not done by the federal government.
There's no right to have thousands of scientist, researchers and college faculty jobs subsidized / funded through fed science funding, dod funding, nasa functing and subsidized student loans.
The problem is politicians crippling the government because their pet projects don't get funding, not that the government spends money on scientific research.
with NBC for his reality show after he found out he wasn't the top paid reality TV star.
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despite causing a government shut down and even admitting to causing it on live TV. It's scary. He really could shoot somebody in Time Square and his followers wouldn't care. They're not thinking, they're feeling. When a large percentage of people think the head of state is above all criticism it never ends well.
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Are you under the impression that the Earth is infinite?/em.
We ae a long way from using up the entie Earth. What is going on in our lifetimes and many after is not a zero sum game. the wold is moe complex than a simple asymptotic analysis.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
It would have been quicker for you to type "I'm just talking out of my ass."
I'll just note that the country has finite budget for the government and a finite size economy.
And somehow you have gone from that to "we can either have a space budget or construction workers, but never both." Sorry, but it doesn't hold up. You've got multiple logical fallacies at play here. If you don't want to defend them, fine, I wouldn't either. I wouldn't make those statements in the first place, though.
The country is not choosing between minimal science funding and construction jobs. Period. The world's largest economy will never have to make that choice no matter whether you try to artificially inject "illegals" into the discussion or not. I notice you didn't address those questions, though.
Moreover, why exactly are the guys losing their jobs to "illegals?" It's already illegal to hire people not allowed to be in the country, so why are their employers firing the US citizens and hiring undocumented workers to take their place?
Let me guess, the Big Bad Democrats are forcing these patriotic employers to fire their patriotic employees and are instead being forced to hire illegals who want to destroy America and rape their daughters. That's about the extent of the thought you put into "but illegals!" isn't it?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
So we get yet another race to the bottom as those willing to hire illegals outcompete those not willing to do so.
You know, there's a bit of a flaw in that business plan. If you're really clever, you might be able to spot it and then you'll understand why it's not actually a problem in the country today.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Illegals are perfect community for these degenerates that liberal public loves so much.
Sorry, but who exactly do the liberal public love so much? MS-13? Violent gang members? Who is it that you believe a large portion of the US voting public wants to see in the country? And have you ever actually met someone saying they want those people in the country, or do you just think they want them because someone on TV told you they want them? Kind of like the "open borders" line, right? There's not a single person advocating for open borders, but that doesn't stop the True Patriots (tm) from trying to convince idiots that there are people advocating for open borders. And, those idiots believe it because doing your own research takes time and it's just comfortable when someone on TV is telling you something that you kind of feel might be true.
So, who is it that the liberal public loves so much that you're referring to here?
organized crime gets slap on the wrist despite the fact that they kill disproportionately larger amount of people as part of their gang activity, starting from killing absolutely innocent people that have no relation to any of the traditional gang territories as part of gang initiation.
You're suggesting that the US justice system treats murder as a slap on the wrist? And, let me guess. This perceived aspect of the US justice system, which doesn't actually exist, was put in place by Democrats, or whoever your own political opponent is. Is that about right?
Putting a stop to cross-border human trafficking is a good start to reduce this ground.
I think that literally everyone in America agrees with that statement, but I also bet you've allowed yourself to become convinced that "the other" doesn't support stopping human trafficking, for whatever reason.
Seriously, everyone agrees that we need border security and that reducing human trafficking is a good thing. What people disagree about is the best way to make that happen.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
If you're really clever, you might be able to spot it and then you'll understand why it's not actually a problem in the country today.
Since you're so clever, why don't you point it out? Because it looks to me like it is a real problem.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Wait a second. Are you a right winger that admits that the economy is a zero sum game? How have you not burst into flames yet? Do you believe that the rich getting richer simultaneously makes the poor poorer like any logically minded person? Most right wingers subscribe to the irrational notion that the economy is not a zero sum game, while simultaneously believing that the government can't print unlimited amounts of money, which are mutually exclusive ideals. One or the other being true directly leads to the other either being true or false, but many right wingers have completely abandoned dispassionate logic in favor of feelings.
And yet, there's only $2 trillion in cash in circulation.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
And yet, there's only $2 trillion in cash in circulation.
Which means it's zero sum because there's no way of growing wealth without making someone else poorer.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Well, not in dollars anyway. To hold down inflation, the FED artificially limits the amount of currency available.
Zimbabwe did an experiment a while back with its currency to see if we were yet at a stage where currency can be infinite- I'd suggest you look up the results of that experiment.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
OK, happy to help. You see, it is currently illegal for a business to hire someone who is not allowed to legally work in the US. This is currently a crime. No new legislation needs to be passed in order for this to become illegal or get enforced. Now, I don't know how many drug dealers you've encountered throughout your life, but here's the thing: when your business model is predicated upon doing something illegal, that's something that we like to call "high risk." This business can actually get shut down and the owner fined or jailed just with one little old phone call. And, not only in theory either, it actually happens! (strange, I know, but true!)
So, what do you do if your business is being out-competed by someone committing a crime to run their business with an illegal workforce? You just pick up that little old phone on your desk, and call 1-866-DHS-2-ICE. And - just like that - no more competitor! And now you're sitting in high cotton and it's just little old you and you can charge whatever you want for your fantastic services.
Because it looks to me like it is a real problem.
And you're suggesting that there is currently no solution to this problem, right? And, not only that, but those 3.7% or so of workers who are unemployed (which is the lowest level that's been at since about 1970) are unable to find a job because the companies who hire illegal workers just straight up won't hire Americans also, right? Because, if they did, then your buddies in the unemployment line would be out there waiting to pick lettuce and tomatoes. Right? Therefore, let's spend a couple dozen billion dollars to build a giant wall. Am I following you so far?
Seriously, how exactly do you justify this being a "real problem" that "illegals" are stealing so many jobs when we have an unemployment rate that is lower than about 2/3s of Americans currently alive have ever seen?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
No new legislation needs to be passed in order for this to become illegal
Okay...
or get enforced.
...lol
If it were getting enforced against the largest offenders, who are easy to find because they are so very large, it would cease to be a major problem. QED, it's not getting enforced, or if it is the enforcement is wholly ineffectual (and likely designed to be so.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Your logical fallacy is asserting that there is a major problem when you haven't shown that. Sorry, but in order for me to consider your argument, first prove your assertion that it is currently a "major problem." As in, evidence. It's probably best to ignore the unemployment rate when you're trying to come up with things that look like evidence for that.
Also....
If it were getting enforced against the largest offenders, who are easy to find because they are so very large, it would cease to be a major problem.
Who exactly are these largest offenders, that everyone apparently knows about, who aren't getting busted for it? Names, please. And, again, you know, evidence.
QED, it's not getting enforced, or if it is the enforcement is wholly ineffectual
Or your assumptions are not correct. Which is easily the simplest answer to this particular question.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
I've got an even better idea. SHUT THE FUCK UP. You and your side were perfectly fine shutting shit down when the evil black man was running things. Choke on a bag of baby dicks. What's good for the goose, motherfucker.
My uncle was ran over by a WHITE GUY in a shitty Ford Ranger. Using your logic, I am perfectly within morality to hate WHITE PEOPLE and to hunt them down. And do you know what was the "perfect community" that harbored him? A goddamned trailer park. I've also been robbed once and had an attempted carjacking. Guess what? Both assailants were WHITE GUYS.
I don't use your fucked up, racist logic though. I don't hate all WHITE GUYS because of the actions of a few honky krakers. ---- I can say that- I'm a WHITE GUY.
Like I said you're a moron seeking an argument not expansion or explanation.
At any given time it is.
So while over larger time scales things may indeed be growing over the time scale a budget is drawn up that's irrelevant.
Well, not in dollars anyway. To hold down inflation, the FED artificially limits the amount of currency available.
But it's not zero and the dollar can go up and down.
Zimbabwe did...
Zinbabwe had rampant inflation so the fact that a lage amount of the world has gone from subsistence farming to considerable wealth is irrelevant.
Look around you. Compare the wold now to 50, 100 and 200 years ago and tell me precisely how it's a zero sum game.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
There are way more churches across the nation
Each have way more attendants
Each holds a "conference" every Sunday, and maybe more times during the week, and extra ones during holidays
You'll save a lot more money and fuel if we shut down all the churches. God's everywhere isn't he? People can pray from their own homes.
Who exactly are these largest offenders, that everyone apparently knows about, who aren't getting busted for it? Names, please. And, again, you know, evidence.
Evidence — this is a list of the ones they bothered to go after.
Or your assumptions are not correct. Which is easily the simplest answer to this particular question.
Sure, if you hide your head up your ass.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
But the government contractors are just losing money. And no, they don't get paid back like government employees do
I'm talking about artificial scarcity in the money supply. Yes, it can go up and down, but when we let it go up to infinite, inflation occurs.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
You're suggesting we can either fund 10 scientists or 10,000 construction workers, but not both, and I'm the moron for calling you out on that stupid claim? You make stupid claims like that and I'm the one looking for an argument? You're not giving an explanation because there's not one. Because you're the one just trying to argue, and being asked to show any kind of evidence for your claims slows you down.
OK, buddy. Good luck with your false equivalences. I'm sure you make a really compelling argument for your audience on Facebook.
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Funny you all claim that the cities which have more people should have no more say, but it is PEOPLE who vote, not states. And funny how you claim it necessary because of "groupthink" of "them", but when you do so is another example of "groupthink", but since it is of "you", you do not see it as groupthink but "self evident fact".
I asked you to show evidence of the companies that apparently everyone knows are doing this, but ARE NOT being busted. You're showing people being busted for financial services around paying illegal workers, which is only evidence that the enforcement system is working, even though that is from 2012. See the link I posted earlier if you want to read about the thousands of people arrested the last 2 years. It sounds like the system is working. If you're aware of major violations going on, instead of complaining about all the pure patriotic jobs being lost, just report it. And maybe our country can move on to something actually important.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
0.4% is less than 1.3% (inflation).
you DO know that economists calculate inflation into their projections, right? I mean YOU don't, not when it doesn't suit you. But that's kinda par for the course for the RWNJs like yourself.
I'm absolutely sure there is stuff that the government funds that I agree with which is beyond their constitutional duty.
As an adult I accept that those areas will have to find other revenue streams should by some miracle the United States ever actually start following the constitution. And like a reasonable adult person I'm prepared to work to see that happens. The answer might be to amend the constitution to bring that activity under the responsibility of the U.S. government. Surely if it is a truly necessary and valuable contribution to the national good it should be possible to convince two-thirds of the Congress and three fourths of the states that such a thing needs to be done.
Americans won't work hard for shit money. Illegals have been fucked so hard that our shit money looks like good money to them. So we get yet another race to the bottom as those willing to hire illegals outcompete those not willing to do so.
That's true, too.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Guess what they have in common?
That you need to be smoking some pretty strong stuff to think any of them have a chance in hell of happening.
Seriously, the most likely one is Ginsburg kicking it. What's more likely though, is that the Dems are going to open a real investigation into that alcoholic rapist, Kavanaugh, and rip him off the bench.
Hillary in prison? Doesn't she need to be found guilty of something first? To do that, don't the need to open up an investigation on her for something? How many investigations have they already harassed her with? And still they have nothing to convict her of. What are you fucking people waiting for? Shit, or get off the pot. Or, you could just get the fuck over it already. He's still ten times the criminal she is
Trump reelected? Your president is a laughing stock and an embarrassment on the world stage. Everybody knows that. But tell me, what about his inability to get anything done, or his sub-40% approval rating, or the blue tsunami we just saw, or the blue tsunami we'll see again in 2020 makes you think he's going to get reelected? Or is it the 'shrooms talking?
With all the evidence pointing to Trump's collusion, it obvious that treasonous piece of shit will be the one seeing prison time. But don't let that stop you from pretending to still support him.
Add in the fact that he's mired in scandal and that were going to investigate the living shit out of him. Well, that's what I'm laughing at. And I guarantee I am laughing harder than you ever could.
No you are the moron who wants to pick a fight over the fact the budget isn't infinite and Santa Claus isn't real.
Sad you can't even get yourself right.
I'm not asserting that the budget is infinite. I am asserting that we are not choosing, and will never have to choose, between funding 10 scientists or 10,000 construction jobs. It's a stupid example, and I called you out for it. That's what I'm calling you out on, your stupid fictional appeal to emotion in a scenario that is not currently happening, and will never happen in the world's largest economy.
I never said the budget is infinite. You're just using an absurd hypothetical in a bad attempt to sway people to your badly-informed political opinion. If your opinion on this matter was so valid and well thought-out, you wouldn't be setting up some sort of hypothetical where we have to choose between funding 10 scientists or 10,000 construction jobs. But you don't have another example because, like I said, your opinion is badly-informed and not well thought-out. So you scoop up logical fallacies like appeal to emotion and hope no one notices. Well, I did.
I shouldn't be surprised that someone coming up with absurd hypotheticals in an appeal to emotion can't understand what other people are talking about. There's a lot of confusion in you. Let me know if you need me to spell anything else out for you. The people who modded my comment up to 5 at least understood the point.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
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tHe reAL parTy wiLL cOmE wHEn yOUr prEsIdENt iS siTTiNg iN jAiL, bITch!!!
No idea what that means, but you're obviously not interested in standing behind whatever you say. Take care. Best of luck convincing your audience on Facebook, I'm sure they all think you make really good points.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
What I said stands on it's own.
I really would love to know how we never have to make budget choices and the budget never gets cut as you claim
I have not claimed either of those. Again, you are clearly confused, it is evident in your assertions. Like that one claiming that I said we never have to make budget choices. Not sure where you think that argument came into play, but I never made it (I DID say we will never have to choose between 10 scientists and 10,000 construction jobs, which is true, because that's a really stupid argument).
I suppose that's not entirely true, I know how you got from point A to point B. You attempted to process my criticism, but instead of understanding what I was saying you decided to push my argument to its extreme, and then set up that strawman as if that was the argument I was making instead of my actual argument. Because it's a lot easier to knock down a strawman. It's a lot easier for you to argue that we have to make budget choices, even though I never argued that we never have to make budget choices.
I realize this is all probably pretty confusing to you, so just go ahead and reply with "yadda yadda yadda" followed by some word salad because, again, that's easier than trying to think. Or, just dismiss me as a moron, which, again, requires as little thinking as possible on your part.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black