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Nvidia CEO Trashes AMD's New GPU: 'The Performance Is Lousy' (gizmodo.com)

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the war-of-words-continues dept.

An anonymous reader shares a report: Yesterday, AMD announced a new graphics card, the $700 Radeon VII, based on its second-generation Vega architecture. The GPU is the first one available to consumers based on the 7nm process. Smaller processes tend to be faster and more energy efficient, which means it could theoretically be faster than GPUs with larger processes, like the first generation Vega GPU (14nm) or Nvidia's RTX 20-series (12nm). I say "could," because so far Nvidia's RTX 20-series has been speedy in our benchmarks. From the $1,000+ 2080 Ti down to $350 2060 announced Sunday, support ray tracing. This complex technology allows you to trace a point of light from a source to a surface in a digital environment. What it means in practice is video games with hyperrealistic reflections and shadows.

It's impressive technology, and Nvidia has touted it as the primary reason to upgrade from previous generation GPUs. AMD's GPUs, notably, do not support it. And at a round table Gizmodo attended with Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang he jokingly dismissed AMD's Tuesday announcement, claiming the announcement itself was "underwhelming" and that his company's 2080 would "crush" the Radeon VII in benchmarks. "The performance is lousy," he said of the rival product. When asked to comment about these slights, AMD CEO Lisa Su told a collection of reporters, "I would probably suggest he hasn't seen it." When pressed about his comments, especially his touting of ray tracing she said, "I'm not gonna get into it tit for tat that's just not my style."

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  1. Article? by Joviex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or is hearsay and copy-paste shit from the internet count as an article link now?

    I knew /. was getting bad, this is a hot garbage example of that.

    1. Re:Article? by mr-buns · · Score: 1

      Do you think that /. is not what it used to be anymore? Can you tell me how long you have been using it? Genuinely interested not trying to be snarky!

    2. Re:Article? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The link has the author describing the quote as well as the context of it.Yes it could be less than reliable but Gizmodo and the author would be guilty of libel if the NVidia CEO didn't say what they claim he said.

      I don't know anything about the performance of the GPUs but AMD has the advantage in that NVidia released the 2080 first. They certainly can benchmark the 2080 against their unreleased GPU. The NVidia CEO is not likely to know that the AMD GPU is lousy or good.

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    3. Re:Article? by tsa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not what it used to be when Commander Taco was still in place. Back then the tech world was more exciting, with new technologies constantly emerging, and MS the evil villain of the computer scene whom everybody loved to hate. Facebook is an amateur compared to the shenanigans MS pulled back then, and came away with. The articles just were more interesting back then. The /. crowd has changed too. Back then we had really intelligent discussions by smart people in the comments. Nowadays I sometimes think I got lost on a Trump loving, climate chenge denying site paid by the fossil fuel industry. Or there's just a bunch of selfrighteous wankers telling each other how stupid they are. No fun.

      I'm much more on Ars than /. now because Ars has the better articles, more interesting comments and /. often is just a copy of the Ars website with a different layout an less in-depth conversations.

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    4. Re:Article? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      That might be true that Gizmodo is crap but what I clearly said is that Gizmodo would be guilty of libel if the NVidia CEO didn't say what they claimed he said.

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    5. Re:Article? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 3

      I don't know man; facebook seems to be an evil of several orders of magnitude worse than MS. MS wanted to control the desktop market - through any means necessary -- but they mostly stopped there. They didn't really get into the pervasive surveillance that modern web companies are involved with.

      Basically FB wants to monetize and track every single living person on this planet. That's way worse than anything MS ever did in their heyday.

    6. Re:Article? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Who cares? It is just two CEOs talking shit about each other's products. What matters is performance on actual realistic benchmarks.

      But it depends on how you use your GPU. Until TensorFlow supports OpenCL, I am stuck with Nvidia.

    7. Re:Article? by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      I don't know man; facebook seems to be an evil of several orders of magnitude worse than MS. MS wanted to control the desktop market - through any means necessary -- but they mostly stopped there. They didn't really get into the pervasive surveillance that modern web companies are involved with.

      Basically FB wants to monetize and track every single living person on this planet. That's way worse than anything MS ever did in their heyday.

      Nope, MS is just as bad now with windows 10 and drm, thanks to the rise of smart phones and high speed internet penetration reaching the most stupid among us. Fortnite is just stolen game /w microtransactions, people today are literally paying for skins in a game they don't own whose files and the game disappear at epic games behest.

      Windows 10 and no doubt hardware is going to be locked down like android soon enough thanks to dumbness of the average citizen.

      We're heading towards dystopia all because stupid people got internet and locked down smart phones.

    8. Re:Article? by Jahoda · · Score: 1

      Basically FB wants to monetize and track every single living person on this planet. That's way worse than anything MS ever did in their heyday.

      I mean, if you had given ballmer this idea back in 2001.....

    9. Re:Article? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      There's plenty happening in the tech world that is still fascinating, if it doesn't seem so you're less impressionable than 20 years ago or just not paying attention. Take a little dive into the story archives and you'll see it was a lot of random junk back then too. The difference is that we were young and /. was cool in a nerdy way, I mean "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame." was not only hilariously wrong in retrospect but also pretty juvenile and so were we. In objective terms there was probably better sites dedicated to each topic, but the discussions carried the site.

      It became it's own little subculture, that obviously the next generation didn't feel part of... we just aged and cool nerdy became neckbeard nerdy, while the random story mix felt more like buckshot from a sawed off shotgun. I mean /. fit better the paradigm of "I'm a nerdy teen basement dweller, amuse/intrigue me with random nerdy bits" than "Okay, I got job/family/commitments but an hour to spare - do I really want to use it on random nerdiness?" You're probably more likely to find a site or subreddit that's more focused and spend your time there rather than here. I'm not quite sure what drugs they use on this site, but I keep coming back though I'm pretty sure I'd never get hooked today.

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    10. Re:Article? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      Nowadays I sometimes think I got lost on a Trump hating, doomsday climate change apologist site pandering to snowflakes who are desperate to believe they are superior.

      FTFY /. is just a reflection of the Western world, a world which is now extremely divided between "conservatives" and "progressives", between people who base justice on merit and those who base justice on equality, between people who value principles and those who value feelings, between people who believe allowing people to speak is the best chance for peace and those who believe forbidding "hate speech" is the only way to achieve peace, between people who believe individuals should help society and people who believe society should help individuals... In short, Western societies are now divided between masculinity and femininity.

      In a way, it always was, but in the past both sides respected each other. Now, they just hate each other, they both think the other is morally disgusting, and no one wants to compromise.

      Welcome to the new world, welcome to the new Slashdot. Get used to it, because it will get worse.

    11. Re:Article? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      This is 100% the truth. Plebs not only ruined the internet, but society because of the internet.

    12. Re: Article? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Wrong. It's intel's CEO talking shit.

      Nvidia's CEO. Jensen Huang, so you can remember who to hate.

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    13. Re:Article? by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      What we had, before the site update at least, was that we could see who replied to our posts directly in the profile. Now it's zip. Nada. Unless I manually click on each post and check it myself. Progress? I don't think so.

    14. Re:Article? by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

      Wish I could mod you insightful because you're absolutely right. The site has changed, yeah... but so have we. And really the site isn't as bad as some of the commenters here are making; it's still my goto when sipping my coffee before my work day starts and gives me a few decent headlines which sometimes I drill into and sometimes don't.

      Yeah, there's a lot of toxic commenters as well, but as a general rule I find that I don't see them all that much. I tend to ignore AC's and don't usually spend more than a few minutes scrolling through the top comments before I move off to something else.

      There's amazing amounts of interesting stuff going on in the tech world. As someone knee deep in it (and I mean on the manufacturer/OEM side) I am constantly excited by the stuff I see, some of which gets reported here. The lustre probably has worn off for many of those who have settled into a coding career or working for a conservative big company that's just now wondering if they should new-fangled 10G ethernet stuff (more of those around than I think some people care to admit). I mean, machine-learning while it gets a bad rap is incredibly fascinating on some of the stuff it can do. On the infrastructure side we're looking at a real possibility of terabit Ethernet within a decade. Open networking (decoupling of the control and data planes in networking), NFV, SD-WAN and a new focus from OEM's on the edge can lead to radically new ideas on how networks are built and maintained, turning your entire infrastructure into a distributed cloud that can respond elastically and flexibly to demand with simple scripting engines. This stuff is amazing! IoT is another buzzword-filled niche that is also incredibly fascinating in itself in some of the stuff it can do. When coupled with ML it can give businesses insights that can radically alter the way they do business, reducing costs (potentially) and providing better customer service.

      In terms of interesting technology, we are on the cusp on another sea change in the way technology is used... and that change has been driven in part by the locked-down smartphones that people are complaining about elsewhere in this thread. I still prefer a good open PC, and there will always be a route to that so long as there's open hardware. But as a driver of change smartphones have changed the way people work, the way people interact and yes in some ways changed the way people think. That's driving new and interesting technologies and we haven't even started yet.

  2. TFS? by e432776 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This summary makes little sense.

    1. Re:TFS? by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      Glad I'm not the only one. I read it three times and gave up.

    2. Re:TFS? by Zizzybaluba · · Score: 2

      There was supposed to be a reference to ray-tracing, but it was lost. Ray tracing is "the primary reason to upgrade from previous generation GPUs"

  3. Waiting for 4K / 60 FPS under $500 by bit+trollent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not planning on upgrading my video card until I can get 4K video running at 60 FPS for new games. Neither nVidia nor AMD can pull that off, with nVidia coming the closes in its video cards priced above $1000.

    Maybe the next video card generation...

    1. Re:Waiting for 4K / 60 FPS under $500 by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Waiting for 4K / 60 FPS [@ Ultra] under $500

      Fixed that for you. Most games now come with four-ish graphics settings:

      Ultra: To punish your GPU
      High: Ultra minus the FPS-killers
      Medium: Best you get looking decent
      Low: Just make it run somehow

      The biggest performance killer was texture memory, like if you ran out performance grind to a halt and 4K typically takes 3-4 GB but with cards having 6GB+ RAM you can usually do okay just dropping the settings. I generally try at least medium before I drop to 1440p, of course my 1080 Ti is a bit out of your $500 budget but don't think the review FPS are all that matters. Most reviewers simply don't have the time and interest to benchmark at lower settings, so you look at the graphs and think you "must" have the RTX 2080 Ti OC edition when you really don't. Of course, I'd take it if you were handing them out....

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    2. Re:Waiting for 4K / 60 FPS under $500 by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 2

      This might never happen because over time games studios start utilizing heavier shaders, better particle system, real time ray tracing/global illumination, better world destructibility, etc. etc. etc.

      Also, you could probably buy a second hand 1080Ti for $500 if you look hard enough and this GPU is sufficient for 4K@60fps in most games.

    3. Re:Waiting for 4K / 60 FPS under $500 by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I'm not planning on upgrading my video card until I can get 4K video running at 60 FPS for new games.

      So you're talking value. That rather lets Nvidia out.

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    4. Re:Waiting for 4K / 60 FPS under $500 by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'm not planning on upgrading my video card until I can get 4K video running at 60 FPS for new games.

      I hope you NEVER get what you want. Last time it was possible to use a common high resolution at 60FPS on brand new games it's because the consoles effectively ended the concept of pushing technological boundaries.

      No thanks. I don't want a new game to every run like that on modern hardware. I want new games to push the boundaries on realism while taxing hardware to the extreme.

  4. Questionable simplicity by del_diablo · · Score: 1

    So no article to read, or link to
    No benchmark
    Summary can't decide if Radeon VII is 7nm or not. At the least not from first glance
    WTF anon

  5. AMD has a winner GPU. by kgroombr · · Score: 1

    When the competition bashes your products, you know they are scared. AMD has a winner GPU.

    1. Re:AMD has a winner GPU. by sbrown123 · · Score: 1

      I like AMD. I support them being competitive. But their new card sucks. They should have went with cheaper memory and getting ray tracing. I'm sure they will get those out in the future but this is just a "well, we needed something to show" card.

  6. wtf? by pegr · · Score: 1

    "Yesterday, AMD announced a new graphics card, the $700 Radeon VII, based on its second-generation Vega architecture. The GPU is the first one available to consumers based on the 7nm process. It's impressive technology, and Nvidia has touted it as the primary reason to upgrade from previous generation GPUs. AMD's GPUs, notably, do not support it."

    So AMD made a GPU that NVIDIA thinks is the primary reason to upgrade, yet AMD doesn't support it. DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY READ WHAT THEY APPROVE TO BE POSTED?

  7. I think you're missing a sentence... by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

    The GPU is the first one available to consumers based on the 7nm process. It's impressive technology, and Nvidia has touted it as the primary reason to upgrade from previous generation GPUs. AMD's GPUs, notably, do not support it.

    This makes no sense until you realize later in the summary that they're talking about ray tracing, not 7nm manufacturing

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  8. Also cost half as much as the nvidia "flag ship". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Their 700USD product is SHIT compared to our twice as expensive product!" - nVidia PR dude.

  9. -1 Incoherent by Tailhook · · Score: 1

    Author needs "help."

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  10. Nvidia CEO Trash Talks AMD's New GPU by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ask a CEO of a public company about a corporate competitor and they are going to trash talk them without any substance.

    Even TFA opens with this admission:

    Yesterday I spent two hours listening to the CEOs of rival companies talk trash about each other.

    And they ask for details about his trash talk it all fizzled out.

    When pressed about his comments, especially his touting of ray tracing she said, “I’m not gonna get into it tit for tat that’s just not my style.”

    This is the kind of crap you would read in a Hollywood gossip rag with a twist.

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    1. Re:Nvidia CEO Trash Talks AMD's New GPU by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      The twist is, it's a Hollywood gossip rag for geeks!

      At least this particular story is not characteristic of a political gossip rag. Slashdot has become just a forum for idiots yelling at each other, but idiots yelling at each other about video cards is at least something you can't normally find on mainstream media websites.

    2. Re:Nvidia CEO Trash Talks AMD's New GPU by Falos · · Score: 1

      Naturally, website "journalism" likes to try and cause drama for more clicks; they'll deliberately incite escalation, try to be inflammatory. Places that are a few bare notches above Blog Aggregator. Scrolling up, I see this is a gizmodo piece, and stand by what I said.

      The most newsworthy occurrence here is that they didn't bite, sending "editors" home in disappointment. Yet with deadlines to meet, to be stuffed with pseudodrama.

  11. These guys are family... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seems like just a publicity thing...Jensen is Lisa's uncle after all...

  12. NVidia vs. AMD by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    I have installed NVidia binary drivers in quite a few different Linux systems, for the most part without any problems. I have been to install AMD binary drivers successfully in a Linux system exactly once, out of many attempts. I have no allegiance whatsoever to either company, but that is my experience.

  13. I'm surprised, really I am. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    To think, AMD's competitor would suggest that his own product is better than AMD'd product.

    I mean, before this, who would have ever thought of doing that?

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    1. Re:I'm surprised, really I am. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      How would NVidia know that their competitor's unreleased product is better or worse? They can't know.

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    2. Re:I'm surprised, really I am. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      People can make educated guesses however there is extrapolation involved as these two slightly different architectures. Also it is not just hardware that can affect performance. Take two ARM based chips that came out at roughly the same time: Qualcomm's Snapdragon 820 vs Apple's A8. On paper the Snapdragon with its 2+2 cores should handily beat A8 with its 2 cores. When benchmarking just the CPUs the Snapdragon won. However when benchmarking phones with the two CPUs, the iPhone beat out all Android/Windows phones with Snapdragons. Clearly the difference was the software and the other hardware of the phone.

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  14. They're related by Trevorm7 · · Score: 1

    https://babeltechreviews.com/n... Thankgivings must be interesting for their family.

  15. Cage match! by Syncerus · · Score: 1

    I think they should settle the issue with a good old-fashioned wrestling cage match. Donald Trump and Nancy Pelosi could be the warm-up act, and the main event could be Lisa Su vs Jensen Huang. I know the girls are smaller than the guys, but I think the gals are fiercer. All in all, the card looks pretty even. A good time would be had by all, and we could pay down the national debit a little by the vigorish from the parimutuel betting pool.

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  16. AMD is nicely poised right now by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Intel is the dominant CPU maker but GPUs are increasing the market sectors they are irreplacable in. First Gaming, now AI, and soon drone and embedded vision systems, and soon servers will use them for many mundane things like flight schedule planning. Once they break into tablets then We'll see some applications we havent thought about yet. TVs also need them evidently though some say they are better off without the smoothing.

    Nvida doesn't make decent CPUs and Intel doesn't make decent GPUs. AMD makes both.

    Yet NVIDIA GPUs and Intel CPUs still are much much better in actual use. Why? it's not the hardware it's the software. Intel MKL crushes AMD for anything numerical. And CUDA-writ-large crushes AMDs offering. And consequently everyone write APIs that depend on INTEL and NVIDIA first.

    Even Meltdown and related bugs that come from Intel's inability to sign threads during context switches (AMD supposedly can but I really don't understand this) isn't enough to kill intel's out- perfrormance on AMD on numerical calcls.

    But now that AMD has finally equaled Intel and Nidia you'd think an integrated CPU/GPU could be unbeatable. The achilles heel of GPU's is the lack of memory shared with the CPU and this could potentially solve that

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  17. Forget Intel/AMD/NVIDIA by DMJC · · Score: 2

    When can I get a P1 166Mhz on a laptop motherboard with a Voodoo 2, Realtek 8129 LAN port and Soundblaster 16 Audio. That's all I want. Give me a nice 13" DOS/Win98SE gaming laptop for under $500 AUD.

    1. Re:Forget Intel/AMD/NVIDIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Vortex86DX and Vortex86MX was interesting, the latter with simple 2D graphics (VESA compatible) built-in, 1GHz (but the slowest 1GHz x86 around), L2 cache, 512MB DDR2, 100Mb ethernet, USB 2.0 and sound on an external (to the chip) Realtek DAC, internal SD for storage. All under 2 watts! A laptop with 9" 1024x600 was made with it, and a cheap computer-in-keyboard. This ran DOS or debian (i486) out of the box. If a DOS sound driver had been made this would have made for a good DOS gaming machine (Win 9x drivers would have been more involved probably, to support all the stuff, and then be left without 3D acceleration).

  18. Huang Is Playing With Fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think the ground that Huang is on is shaky here.

    I mean, if his point is that Vega has been, and continues to be underwhelming, OK, yeah. True enough.
    OTOH he needs to be careful. The Nvidia RTX 20-series itself can be seen as underwhelming. I think the ray tracing support is cool and I've advocated mainstream support of RT for years. But really now, this is an alpha or beta-level capability, a true first generation product. Real world software support is vanishingly thin and will take years to build.

    OK, but what about the traditional features and performance? Those are great, right? Well, they are better, but not by any great margin, and the card prices are high enough to discourage buying for that alone.

    Thus you are left with a situation where the Nvidia RTX 20-series has a "barely there" justification for it's cutting edge ray tracing support. And it's equally "barely there" justification for traditional rendering features. And for all this you get to pay a premium price.

    Everything you said about the AMD Radeon VII, Mr. Huang, would appear to apply to your flagship product as well! Would you care to state that for the record? I didn't think so.

  19. I just purchased a 1080ti by shellster_dude · · Score: 1

    For the last 12 years I've been a diehard ATI/AMD fan. There products have always been "good enough" and far cheaper than Nvidia. I just purchased the Nvidia 1080ti, because "ray-tracing" is garbage and the new 2070+ lines are way too expensive. None of the new features are really that ground breaking or likely to be widely necessary before these new cards will be obsolete. The only good thing about Nvidia's new line is that they caused the 1080ti card pricing to plummet and now I can have near top-of-the-line graphic power for very reasonable pricing. Who knows where we will be in three to four years, but unless a major upset happens, once this card is no longer cutting it, I'll go back to AMD and get a great card for a great price.

  20. Tit for Tat by mentil · · Score: 1

    "I'm not gonna get into it tit for tat that's just not my style."

    Lisa Su being the bigger man. Bigger woman? Whatever.

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    1. Re:Tit for Tat by greylion3 · · Score: 1

      It means she either wasn't up-to-date on the ray-tracing tech situation, or was instructed not to engage in a long discussion about it.

      If you were careful, you could probably get Jensen to admit, that their way of doing ray-tracing ends up degrading visual quality for gamers.

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  21. Isn't that the other way round? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

    I was told (by people that I trust in that area) that Nvidia's cards are an expensive flop because they support ray-tracing which is slow, not used by any games, and doesn't look much better unless you look very closely, and which nobody wants, while all other performance aspects haven't improved.

    1. Re:Isn't that the other way round? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I love global illumination and object space reflection vs the usual hacks. But with only one or two rays per pixel the hardware just isn't ready for it, even at 1080p never mind 4K. To make matters worse, the games supporting it will be shooters, that just isn't going to fly. Maybe the next Elder Scrolls game, when is that?

      Ray tracing is going to overtake scanline rendering at some point because constant cost per screen pixel, but screen pixels have increased so much lately that ray tracing is only marginally practical at reduced resolution, with a whole pile of hacks that are going to be troublesome. For example, random sampling makes pixels fizzle. And rapid changes in scene content take several frames for the illumination to settle, that's really distracting.

      It's obvious that Nvidia introduced this before its time, just to create a new narrative around features as a reaction to AMD becoming a serious threat in performance and value.

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    2. Re:Isn't that the other way round? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      What, the neural nets? I know about it, it's a nice hack but a hack all the same. See "fizzle" above.

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  22. The snake rots from the head by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    It's clear why Nvidia is such a disgusting company. Rotten head, rotten snake.

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  23. Re:I would like one but I can't afford it: by greylion3 · · Score: 1

    Do you ever listen to your intuition?

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  24. amd wins by sad_ · · Score: 1

    1. better OSS partner then nvidia
    2. card is cheaper then nvidia
    3. has no raytracing, but the tech is new and doesn't work properly for games at this point anyway, AMD card will get it when it's more 'mature'.
    4. performance might be a bit worse, but probably not too much, which is OK for me.

    give me some good arguments why i should pick nvidia above amd again?

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  25. Re:Also cost half as much as the nvidia "flag ship by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    "Their 700USD product is SHIT compared to our twice as expensive product!" - nVidia PR dude.

    They literally compared a $700USD product to the RTX 2080 ... which has an RRP of $700USD.

    I'm more inclined to question their game. I'm sure Nvidia will be doing Intel style benchmarking here.