House Democrats Tell Ajit Pai: Stop Screwing Over the Public (arstechnica.com)
slack_justyb shares a report from Ars Technica: The House Commerce Committee is "reassuming its traditional role of oversight to ensure the agency is acting in the best interest of the public and consistent with its legislative authority," Commerce Committee Chairman Frank Pallone, Jr. (D-N.J.) and Communications and Technology Subcommittee Chairman Mike Doyle (D-Penn.) said in an announcement yesterday. Pallone, Jr. and Doyle wrote a letter to Pai, saying that he has made the FCC too secretive and has repeatedly advanced the interests of corporations over consumers. They wrote: "Not only have you have failed on numerous occasions to provide Democratic members of this committee with responses to their inquiries, you have also repeatedly denied or delayed responding to legitimate information requests from the public about agency operations. These actions have denied the public of a full and fair understanding of how the FCC under your leadership has arrived at public policy decisions that impact Americans every day in communities across the country. Under your leadership, the FCC has failed repeatedly to act in the public interest and placed the interest of corporations over consumers. The FCC should be working to advance the goals of public safety, consumer protection, affordable access, and connectivity across the United States. To that end, it is incumbent upon the Committee's leadership and its members to oversee the activities of the FCC."
On Thursday this week, the Communications Subcommittee will hold a hearing about the impact of Pai's net neutrality repeal on consumers, small businesses, and free speech. Witnesses who have been invited to testify at the hearing include former FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler, cable industry chief lobbyist Michael Powell (who is also a former FCC chairman), and representatives of Mozilla, Free Press, and Eastern Oregon Telecom.
On Thursday this week, the Communications Subcommittee will hold a hearing about the impact of Pai's net neutrality repeal on consumers, small businesses, and free speech. Witnesses who have been invited to testify at the hearing include former FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler, cable industry chief lobbyist Michael Powell (who is also a former FCC chairman), and representatives of Mozilla, Free Press, and Eastern Oregon Telecom.
Will Slashdot ever again bother to pretend to be impartial journalists?
When ~30% of the (least educated) public stops pretending being screwed is in their best interest, for party politik turned treason. Mitch McConnell has the power to hold his party accountable but not the balls/spine/brains.
Wait, if that is your "traditional role", where have you been? On vacation? Too busy?
about time but what did you expect when you put a former verizon executive in charge.
att and verizon shold be broken up and stay broken up.
Dems: We can't let ideas we disagree with get posted to the internet! Good God! Our failed 19th century economics would be obvious!
90% marginal tax rates?
Legalized post-birth abortion?
Geez, you'd think the Democrats would be forced to call their opponents "Hitler!" and "Nazis", those ideas are so fucking lame.
It will be just about as effective as an internet petition.
Whiny uneducated Nazi faggot: "Waaaah, you mean Youtube can't be FORCED to push my faggoty inbred propaganda? UNFAIR! I'm a CONSERVATIVE, don't you know there's only freedom for MY speech?"
"90% marginal tax rates?" - False claim. "Legalized post-birth abortion?" - False claim. Seriously asking, were you born without testicles and a spine like Mitch, you lying faggot nazi children? Back to Moscow.
Pai to Congress: Pound sand
STFU. We OVERWHELMINGLY voted for the Republicans, who gained a LOT of seats in the senate as a clear and loud NO to the stupid useless ideas of democrat party. It was a Republian wave election but of course mainstream media like Slashdot.Org still pushes narrative that it was not. Lame.
If you want the actual proposed tax rate by O'Cortez it's %70 after 10 MILLION dollars of annual INCOME, not "wealth" but INCOME, you easily fact checked lying idiot.
When you stop lying I'm sure your little traitor's bitch heart will just stop ticking right there.
"We OVERWHELMINGLY voted for the Republicans," - Lol? Overwhelming, but NOT even a MAJORITY is about as overwhelming as Trump's lies about his inaugural crowd, fact-checked in realtime. Traitor please bitch, lol
You lying faggots are even BAD at being lying faggots, lol.
captcha : taunted
There are more than enough Democrats on the take with ISP's as well. Additionally, there have been more than enough Democrats in power over time to have solved this problem as well. They were also bitched at for not taking Ajit to task over the cyberattack BS.
This is the same old long game of do nothing but blame the other side for things being bad.
The problems could have been fixed a long time ago. The only game left in town is to first create a problem then campaign against them... true to form the Americans buy the BS.
We have nearly had almost a Century of Telecom regulations and guess what... the monopolies are still here and there is an endless supply of ignorant apologist's to defend these morons.
And don't forget, NN still has loopholes called Zerorating, and I still saw Netflix and several services throttled anyways while NN was in effect so it was worth trash to begin with.
Democrats care as much as the Republicans... they care just enough to get your vote and then they are done with you!
Show me in the constitution where the federal government has the authority to regulate telecommunications.
You can't because it isn't there.
At best, the federal government has the authority under the interstate commerce clause to regulate RF spectrum and power, and to prohibit telecom carriers from handling communications in a discriminatory manner.
That's it.
"This is the same old long game of do nothing but blame the other side for things being bad" - Including the Russian bots influencing the "public response" to Pai's Net Neutrality authoritarianism? You're an equivocating moron.
https://energycommerce.house.gov/sites/democrats.energycommerce.house.gov/files/documents/FCC.2017.11.31.%20IG%20Request%20Letter.%20CAT.%20OI.pdf
https://www.cantwell.senate.gov/news/press-releases/led-by-cantwell-and-udall-senators-call-for-impartial-investigation-into-potential-quid-pro-quo-between-chairman-ajit-pai-trump-administration-and-sinclair-broadcasting
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/technology/fcc-sinclair-ajit-pai.html?partner=IFTTT
I have to love how loose the left is with words they deem offensive like "faggot" and "bitch" and other one Slashdot won't even let me post when they think no one is around to notice.
And then they claim that the other side is the "racist" and "sexist" and "homophobic" one, all the while constantly spouting off crazy stuff like the above.
"Show me in the constitution where the federal government has the authority to regulate telecommunications." - Article 3. see : Appointment of Supreme Court, et al
They're so busy pandering to undocumented aliens, I didn't know they still had time left over to regulate the internet!
Once he's finally booted out of the FCC he's got several cushy jobs with lots more $$$ at any of the several companies he's helped. The consumer once again is fucked, over and over and over, while the fucker is well compensated.
FYI: calling a homophobic "gay" or "closeted" or using one of their own slurs is a targeted insult which may actually indicate what the person throwing the insults things of their targets rather than indicate anything about them.
Saying a racist acts like a n1gger does not make you racist, it's probably the most offensive insult to the racist and if they are slow they'll make a false assumption your racist and judging them as not being like you and not in the group they identify with. This would make them even more insulted and being slow, less likely to figure out the trick you are playing on them.
Way too many simplistic Americans these days poking up shallow outrage over everything but they don't even care enough to stop and THINK for a second; it's just a bunch of emoting. Sometimes people like the parent post cleverly exploit those people by pushing their emotional buttons to get them ranting.
Despite continuing certain Weimar-era social welfare programs, the Nazis proceeded to restrict their availability to “racially worthy” (non-Jewish) beneficiaries. In terms of labor, worker strikes were outlawed. Trade unions were replaced by the party-controlled German Labor Front, primarily tasked with increasing productivity, not protecting workers. In lieu of the socialist ideal of an egalitarian, worker-run state, the National Socialists erected a party-run police state whose governing structure was anti-democratic, rigidly hierarchical, and militaristic in nature. As to the redistribution of wealth, the socialist ideal “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” was rejected in favor of a credo more on the order of “Take everything that belongs to non-Aryans and keep it for the master race.”
Above all, the Nazis were German white nationalists. What they stood for was the ascendancy of the “Aryan” race and the German nation, by any means necessary. Despite co-opting the name, some of the rhetoric, and even some of the precepts of socialism, Hitler and party did so with utter cynicism, and with vastly different goals. The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists
Aww... Nazi right wing faggot learned something against their faggoty will, awwwwww. Poooooor baby.
LOL, in your FIRST SENTENCE, it proves my point: they continued socialist programs BECAUSE THEY WERE SOCIALISTS. Because they were also racists, they limited these programs to the "superior race" but they were still leftist socialists.
Leftists are frequently quite racist so this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Face it, racism is a trait of the left, which is part of the reason Nazis were leftists.
I've been reading since the 90s. I've never seen any /. editor or employee openly threatening people in the comments. I don't agree with him either, but you look like the jack ass here.
Captcha: intrepid
He's an asshole because he follows the law instead of Obama's populist stunts. You hate him because you were told to.
I'm not sure they're pretending. I've met many in person, including a few fairly intelligent and well educated I really thought would know better. I think a lot of them really are that gullible and/or stupid. Or at least angry and desperate enough to believe anyone who says they'll make things better. Tell them the government is corrupt (which I think we all know), and that you're going to do something about it, you get a lot of people's attention. Then start feeding them increasingly unhinged conspiracy theories, and giving them permission to be ever-larger assholes to... basically anyone whoisn't 100% on board with your agenda... some get turned off, but the ones that stick around, they get more committed to the cause than ever, and increasing lose connection with reality. I've met some who, when confronted with video of Trump's more obviously heinous or stupid statements or actions, simply dismiss them as fakes. And once someone is convinced that the propaganda office is the only source of real news, I really don't know how you can possibly shake their faith.
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just refuse to vote for politicians who accept corporate PAC money. Look, right here's a wing of the Democratic party that does just that. They're looking to primary the corporate, Clintonion Democrats next election too.
I'm open to hearing a GOP equivalent but, well, I don't know any. Maybe folks like that jump ship to the libertarian party, IDK. Doesn't matter.
Refuse to vote for anyone who takes corporate PAC money. And vote in your primary. Your vote has orders of magnitude more power in a primary. Politicians don't fear being reelected. They _do_ fear being primaried. Show up and give'em something to be scared of again.
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The "General Welfare" clause only permits the exercise of authority granted in the 18 enumerated powers of the federal government.
Hamilton was wrong - Madison was right.
It makes no logical sense to allow the federal government to tax and spend on anything it likes, while at the same time constricting its authority to 18 enumerated powers.
"General welfare" does not permit the federal government to do anything it wants - it can only see to the general welfare of the country within the bounds of the enumerated powers.
The FCC as it exists today far exceeds those bounds.
Despite continuing certain Weimar-era social welfare programs, the Nazis proceeded to restrict their availability to “racially worthy” (non-Jewish) beneficiaries. In terms of labor, worker strikes were outlawed. Trade unions were replaced by the party-controlled German Labor Front, primarily tasked with increasing productivity, not protecting workers. In lieu of the socialist ideal of an egalitarian, worker-run state, the National Socialists erected a party-run police state whose governing structure was anti-democratic, rigidly hierarchical, and militaristic in nature. As to the redistribution of wealth, the socialist ideal “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” was rejected in favor of a credo more on the order of “Take everything that belongs to non-Aryans and keep it for the master race.”
Above all, the Nazis were German white nationalists. What they stood for was the ascendancy of the “Aryan” race and the German nation, by any means necessary. Despite co-opting the name, some of the rhetoric, and even some of the precepts of socialism, Hitler and party did so with utter cynicism, and with vastly different goals. The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists
Aww... Nazi right wing faggot learned something against their faggoty will, awwwwww. Poooooor baby.
You think this site really moves enough traffic that Russian trolls even bother with it?
This is going to be an awesome hearing.
Because raising taxes always works.
https://freebeacon.com/politic...
"God forbid the rich leave" - Cuomo.
whoops.
Translation: Person responsible for laws, complains employees doing nothing are still obeying the law. As a bureaucrat, Pai should be accountable for the output, or lack thereof, of his department. Doyle doesn't have any direct influence in that regard but he should be complaining to the appropriate bureaucrats, not the arsehole that already ignores him.
If Doyle wants answers, he can table a hearing and demand Pai provide answers in person. This is politicians refusing to throw their weight around. To what purpose?
"impact of Pai's net neutrality repeal on consumers, small businesses, and free speech"
If you expect people to support your arguments you need to stop with the hyperbole. In this particular case it means equating "free speech" with net neutrality. Free speech protections apply when the government denies your free speech rights. A corporation or individual cannot violate an individual free speech rights.
And there is not a single problem today that did not exist prior to Trump taking office. Trump inherited both Immigration and arguments over US military deployments in the ME. Both the Democrats and Republicans share equal blame for the problems we face today. All the recent rhetoric about making the rich pay more taxes will never happen because the rich people are the ones who fund both the Democrat and Republican campaigns. Both parties will not go after the rich corporations because they also pay the bills for all the politicians running for office. If we want to see our government actually do their jobs the public can demand the campaign finance laws abolish the 501-C corporations that were specifically created to bypass campaign contribution limits. Demand term limits be instituted for the Senate. Set a forced retirement age limit on the legislative and executive branches. Changing these 3 things would make every thing else possible. The mechanism that is suppose to govern the country so broken that civil war is starting to look like an acceptable option.
I'm not sure they're pretending. I've met many in person, including a few fairly intelligent and well educated I really thought would know better.
I wonder how many more before you realize that actually most of the truly intelligent believe something you do not... and engage in introspection at that point.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
"The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated by force"
- Karl Marx
Don't mistake American "liberals" as being left-wing.
America doesn't have a left-wing.
> I've met some who, when confronted with video of Trump's more obviously heinous or stupid statements or actions, simply dismiss them as fakes.
*THIS* *THIS* *THIS*
*THIS* is why Trump goes on about "Fake News". It isn't because he disbelieves any one story but to condition his supporters.
He's not as dumb as a lot of people think.
The government is only "corrupt" if you've fundamentally misunderstood the purpose of the liberal state.
The purpose of the state is to manage the massive conflict of interest between the working class, and the capital owning class.
EVERYTHING else is in service of this goal.
Police to enforce the property rights of the ruling class.
Education to indoctrinate workers into the capitalist mode of production. (Elites get a different education, for a different purpose)
Healthcare to realize better return on investment from workers.
Media to impose the values of the dominant class onto the subordinate class.
Entertainment, for ideological domination, and also to distract from poor working conditions.
Pharmaceuticals to distract from grinding, dehumanizing, shit working conditions.
Transport to allow workers to be pooled from a larger geographical area.
Welfare schemes to provide a subsistence baseline, so that workers don't literally die out under capitalist exploitation.
If something to be regarded as true or not, why not back it up with facts and coherent arguments instead?
For a start, they have to appear to the public if they are in government, but not if they are a business. For every shitty thing a politician has done you can see a business owner do the same thing, but with less accountability and even in the USA more pay and benefits.
Don't bring up "but this was an honest person" you talked about government being corrupt. I can point to honest politiicans too.
Farmers under the BSE scare induced ban of sheep spine in cow food were still caught OVER A YEAR AFTER THE BAN STARTED feeding sheep spine and brains to their cows, because doing so increases the weight of the cow, which is sold per kilo on the hoof, not per quality.
Capitalism makes wealth (capital) equate to power. Those things you describe enshrine capital as prime, and that means you're talking about capitalism, not liberalism.
If you're american, go read up on artisan economy and the homesteading act that capitalists made government enact to kill the artisan economy in the USA at the time because capitalism had already taken over government and was now making it enshrine capitalism as the political ideology.
Yes, Net Neutrality is obviously something that goes against consumers, and only libruls don't get it.
General welfare is what an FCC is supposed to be shoring up (but is not under Pai).
Show me in the constitution where it says you can own guns and NOT be in a militia? Heck show me where it says you should have public roads (if you want to whine about "general welfare" being incorrect). And I take it you demand that the armed forces be disbanded and their stuff thrown out, yes? After all, you have a gun and that is to be part of a well regulated militia. So there's no need for a standing army.
And the whinging is about a 60-70% marginal tax rate. It would be a bit over 42% if all that was paid was the taxes in the bands described, and the upper rate at 10mil a year would hit a little over 1500 people in the USA anyway. How many people were hit by an average of 42% in the 50s?
So your factoid about the average net tax rate is bullshit.
Because it isn't true, they only WANT it to be true. Or at least silence critics for being mean (yet also applauding "reals beat feels".
The thing is, you have to convince people that you can change the corruption without becoming or already being corrupt. That is hard enough and very unlikely.
Then, to make real change, you have to convince people that you can make the lives better for the Poor's without making the lives of everyone else not any less than it is now. Probably impossible.
Nobody who has made it to being 'not poor' will give that up. But the money needs to come from somewhere. So we either reduce the military or become super efficient or redistribute wealth from the public. All equally unlikely things. It's going to be real fun when automation really kicks in as that primarily targets low income jobs. The future better get really comfortable with socialism or we will see many revolutions as it is guaranteed that the poor will vastly outnumber those who are not.
"Reals beat feels" is hilarious coming from the party of "Jesus hates sex" and "Marijuana Kills".
You absolutely do vote. I vote almost daily. Voting on Slashdot is based on (and always has been based on) the quality of your posts. That's what makes it work so (relatively) well for unmoderated discussions online.
I don't respond to AC's.
The Dems want to keep that "benefit" to themselves only. They screw everyone really well! Especially the sheeple they keep on the government teet.
Eastern Oregon Telecom are going to be there, or the outcome could be very different.
My internet connection works and is even faster & cheaper than it was BT (Before Trump).
The FCC like any other governmental organization survives by constantly changing regulations needlessly and having such a maze that you need to consult a specialty lawyer to get through it
Their regulators would have a field day going to DEFCON and trying to nail all the people with SDRs for example. I guarantee you that the second they start harassing people for now having HAM Extra licenses to modify radio equipment or start enforcing regulations that you canâ(TM)t own or sell anything that can transmit on a restricted band like FM/AM radio, or the huge swath of public safety, licensed business bands, GMRS, and whatever else crap theyâ(TM)d might as well just sit a whole army of suits around the Ballyâ(TM)s (and the rest of the town) with RF direction finding equipment. And if they did they, theyâ(TM)d suddenly start finding $10 homemade parts that are mobile just to piss them off that blow something annoying like âoe1800 Kars for Kidzâ over randomly changing bands stuck under mugglesâ(TM) car bumpers or something.
Imagine. Just stick one under a housekeeper or dietary cart and it changes frequency randomly between every three and five minutes. Itâ(TM)s going to move all over the hotel. Or stick it under that annoying assholeâ(TM)s car bumper so it jams the local police band every time someone gets within fifty feet of the car. Imagine cops frustrations when they call the FCC and try to get them to figure that one out. And they can put all the notices they want out because the people that are unwittingly transmitting it from their cars donâ(TM)t even know it.
The FCC with net neutrality and radio rules in particular (I.e. they just banned and want to fine anyone who sells those BeoFang radios from China $19000/day for doing so, and basically want to make owning one (which would apply to a SDR too for example) just because it has the capability to go smash all over 121.5MHz or a police band or something just as illegal) is sooner or later going to piss 2600 and Anonymous off. Iâ(TM)ll sit back and laugh.
Hereâ(TM)s ten watts of static on the local police dispatch band right when someone is committing that bank robbery bitch!
Because raising taxes always works.
https://freebeacon.com/politic...
"God forbid the rich leave" - Cuomo.
whoops.
Worked fine all the way up to Reagan...where they then sold the voodoo economics of the trickle down theory...which is fully demonstrated by states like Kansas, where they are finding their revenues are falling way short of the needs of the state.
Contrast to other states which are not so Republican...like CA, CO..whose economies are doing pretty good despite more "liberal" political leadership than you typically see in the Republican party.
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It should cut the lame emails and lamer direct junk mail.
Here is an example of the problem. You will not like this, but you won't be able to refute this. mjwx is calling someone like me a racist, however if we debated he would tell me riots to prevent Milo, Ann Coulter, C. Rice from giving speeches is ok. He would also tell me it is acceptable for Twitter/Facebook to censor Diamond and Silk, along with Candice Owens because it is "their service".
Yes, all those people are being censored are gays, women, or blacks. I had GameboyRMH tell me its such a non-issue that including those incidents shouldn't even be brought up. Meanwhile, the same people who prevent blacks from talking are the ones calling me a racist.
As for Clinton's emails, you have another simple problem that you just can't answer. We have MULTIPLE people who have lied to Congress multiple times: Comey, Clinton, Holder, Clapper, Brenenon, etc. None of them have been charged, even McCabe and Clinton have BOTH been given referrals to prosecute multiple times to the DOJ and nothing has been done. On the other side Michael Cohen said March 2016 instead of June 2016 and he got charged with a 5 year sentence and felony for lying. Roger Stone also got charged a felony for lying to Congress.
Care to explain this without it sounding like blatant bias? Of course you can't. So mjwx calls me a racist for pointing this out.
So if you ever wonder why I call PopeRatzo a moron, Amimojo a liar, or GameboyRMH a racist bigot, its because they refuse to debate these issues and instead go right to calling me a racist.
Bonus: Any one who supports the DNC now, will immediately be called a member of the KKK by me. Between support for Robert Byrd, and now Northam, it is pretty obvious that being a member of the KKK doesn't bother DNC supporters. With your calls for censorship of people like Candice Owens, you back it up. You calling me a racist will just get me in your face more.
I think you've gone beyond the ability for me to be civil with you anymore. I will destroy you with facts that you can't debate and you are the ones responsible for the name calling once you are backed into a position you can't defend.
You won't ever be rich you faggot.
Plus you'll still be paying taxes to me with my cock in your mouth.
and other forms of new media. The Internet's made telecom so cheap I don't need the AP to tell me what to think anymore. Trump did it. Alexandria Ocassio Cortez is doing it now (it's why the mega corps are so scared of her).
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didn't spend a dime of his own money and got through the primary. The key is:
a. use New Media (Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, etc).
b. Rely on old media's insatiable need for content.
c. Never, never, _never_ apologize for _anything_. On the Internet if you back peddle for second they eat you alive.
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I thought that a large fraction of "conservatives" strongly favor post-birth abortion.
They call it capital "punishment".
Which probably does not "work" (deter crime) https://math.dartmouth.edu/~lamperti/my%20DP%20paper,%20current%20edit.htm
is often applied in error https://www.cbsnews.com/news/death-penalty-mistakes-the-rule/
and is probably a tool of racism https://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/09/opinion/09dow.html
FWIW I enjoy shooting and have little time for SJW types; OTOH, taxes are merely the cost of renting time on the massive piece of capital equipment known as "society" ; it is possible that even a 90% marginal rate can be justified; maybe: something like this https://web.archive.org/web/20130411183250/http://www.sff.net/people/jack.haldeman/people.htm might male it more palatable
They said in a statement.
in the end, but their supporters at the beginning all were. It's easy to promise everything for everyone, only a conservative is less likely to believe the lie.
You can't read the first sentence. It said Weimar-era. Weimar and Nazi isn't the same word. You know, like you guys are always screaming about words having meanings? It even started, THE VERY FIRST WORD, with a pronoun implying "they" were not "Weimar-era".
You conservatives should spend more time in school and not church-school. You might learn something.
I don't, for a second, think those are liberals. You still act like we don't know for certain that Russian trolls are purposefully seeding strife and division. Making one side look like a a bunch of hypocritical bastards seems to be a good way to get you to dismiss their statements. It seems to have worked on you.
Here's where you whine about "oh da rushins". I'll make you a deal: We'll shut up about the russians if you shut about the latino invasion.
I like it as much as the trumps likes having their products made in China while screaming Amercia First. How about neither one of us kill ourselves, and we kill the assholes making us hate each other, whomever that might be?
And even more disturbing to me is I'm seeing a lot more of the same behavior from the left leaners now. It went from some bad taste jokes about insert (right leaning politician) to a milder but no less disturbing emulation of the Black Obama bullshit all the right wingers were (and in many cases still *ARE*) hurling around even today.
Being a true patriot and not what people call a patriot today, I'm looking for the door and a chance to live up to the espoused founding principles of this country, and not the actual compromised ones we've been running under for 200 years. The biggest mistake America ever made was the reunification of the Civil War, because as we'v seen, a forcefully unified America is not a culturally unified America.
For anyone who feels the same, come to IRC2P.